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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: 2fast4u2c on May 03, 2009, 08:55:38 AM
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New Paint Job (http://www.1st-to-the-finish-line.com/gallery.html)
We will update the entire gallery after we finish the photo shoot at Maxton in a couple more weeks. Must get the women in the pictures.
Guy
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Nice Paint! Wish I was going to be there this month to get some pics :-(
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Very cool paint.
terry
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Nice paintwork.
Now where are the stickers going to go ?
:-D
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Hey Guy, how come you you dont have your new trick front fender on? :?
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Won't fit in the wheel chock of the dyno.
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Dont you hate it when that happens? :cry:
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That's OK, it's home now and the new fender is installed. Had a great dyno session too. I'll take a few pics of her tomorrow. I'm tired and it's past midnight.
Guy
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Post the chart Guy, let's see some spray :-D
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Sorry, tune up and dyno info is stricly verboten. I'm not one to kiss and tell. Surfice to say, I had a VERY good dyno session (nothing blew up in the process and no animals were harmed in the making of my maps)
Guy
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That wicked paint is worth at least another 5 mph, or should! Looks awesome!
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I heard 419...whats the big deal.... :wink:
Nice paint..... :-o
3 4 4 - 8 5 0 0
is the number... :cheers:
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Shoosh! Now everyone knows.
New pictures are posted. Wossner will be proud.
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Beautiful bike, I love that new fender, I'm going to have to have one when I get out of production class. :cheers: Fred
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Guy:
Is it ok for me to post some of the pics from Saturday's shoot? Or do you want to wait until you get the pics in CD form?
Don
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Go ahead Don.
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Here is one to keep the natives happy !! There are a lot more and in some ways they are a lot less (less clothes that is)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w320/edonsmith/guy_proof_1.jpg)
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Here is one to keep the natives happy !! There are a lot more and in some ways they are a lot less (less clothes that is)
Whew, that is a relief.
I thought the teeny, tiny black string bikini that I saw on the return road might have been a hallucination!!
:lol:
Mark
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Hey,
What paint job?
I see a Tiger Racing 'T" shirt!
Geo
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A front clevage shot wouldn't hurt either.
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Guy,
I meant to ask you (and have a look myself) how well you can see out of that awesome helmet.
:?
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It's like wearing mid-dark sunglasses
I dont wear that helmet at night though.
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(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w320/edonsmith/guyproof2.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w320/edonsmith/guyproof3.jpg)
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(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w320/edonsmith/guyproof4.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w320/edonsmith/guyproof5.jpg)
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Now quit your whining you dogs.
thanks Don.
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Now that's what I'm talkin about!!! :-o :-o :-o :-D :cheers:
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Hello
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:? My future ex-wife? Crow
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:? My future ex-wife? Crow
Crow, I thought you told me the other day your next wife has not even been born yet?? :-o
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Guy,
Please send me a disc (high res) for any potential ad's.. :mrgreen:
Thank you,
John
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John, I think I said she's on her third child hood! Crow,
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Yeah, I'll take some hi-res pics too... for, uh... advertising, yeah. That's it. Advertising. :-D
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Yeah, I'll take some hi-res pics too... for, uh... advertising, yeah. That's it. Advertising. :-D
Shhhhh!
J
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It was certainly a good thing that shut down doesn't clear the track anymore!
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How come the Bikes attract the hottest models ???
Ya know she would look great posing in black or red with my Vicky ??
Charles
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But Charles it just wouldn't be the same. :evil:
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:-D Isn't the old saying: Bikes and Babes, Rods and Broads, still around???? Crow
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What makes it even weirder is that Rene' is 18 and I've known her since she was 4. Her father and mother were present during the shoot with Don. She wants to become a model and Don had to work very hard to get her be more poised and camera friendly. Don did a great job and if any of you want pro picture taken, he even has some models available. for a nominal fee, i can get you Rene' or Karen our bike models. I have some pic's downloadable on my site in High Res for you dogs out there.
Guy
http://www.1st-to-the-finish-line.com/gallery_babe.html
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I remember 20 or so years ago at Bonneville someone brought some "models" from Wells over and shot some pictures with the race cars -- for a price. Their mothers and fathers weren't with them, as I remember. Some memorable shots (for their day).
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Stan, are you thinking of the Mainstay Girls at the 3rd WoS? Cold... everyone in sweatshirts, jackets or stayed in their firesuit... except the girls in bikinis... had to be careful not to get to close, you could have put an eye out :roll:
:cheers:
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Stan, does the name Bill Edwards ring a bikini?
FREUD
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Guy,
Don't want to change the mojo of the thread, but what did the post mortem from Loring reveal? didn't see you at all after Sunday morn.
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Spun all 4 rod bearings, burned up # 2 chamber, burned #2 exhaust valves, ripped up # 2 cylinder wall. Grooved the crank on #3 & #4 rod journals. burned up #2 and #3 Carillo Rods caps.
I have all the parts except the rods and wrist pins.
I have a new crank, block, pistons, bearings and VERY different oil.
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Besides Dolan how many of you older salt racers remember the sin sisters of the 80's. Well thats another story. :evil:
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I'll bite Guy, what oil were you using at Loring? Was that the only problem you could identify? Sucks.
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sounds like a lot of damage for oil film...... sure ya didnt have bad pump clearances? feed or supply issues? did ya plug off the balance shaft hole?lololololol
kent
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Don't bite. Royal Purple. Now, I'n NO expert by any stretch of the word but...I've never had an issue with oil until I changed this winter...new sponsor and all. Because of the oiling carnage and seeing it's effects in so many areas it really gives me pause. Do I know that Royal Purple was my culprit beyond a shadow of a doubt? NO. But, in retrospect, I have never had a lack of oiling or oiling issues until I changed to Royal Purple. Could it have been the fact that I was on the rev limiter with nitrous when I went thru the traps? Maybe, been there before a few times. Could it have been the new Crank from APE with his "chamfered" oil ports on the journals? Maybe, don't know for sure. Could it have been the set of cases that Rick Stetson at HMP changed the oiling ports and opened up the crank journals (the crank bearings were also damaged on the back side)? Maybe, but don't know for sure. I am going to go with 'D', all of the above contributed in some form or fashion. i think my combination of these issues all played a role in my motors demise.
I have my old tried and true crank from my back-up motor, my old set of cases, and Kendall Oil for the future that I know works just fine when I rebuild this month.
guy
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Good luck with the rebuild Guy, see you at Maxton in 3+ weeks. -Dean
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Dean,
Won't be back to Maxton until October. I have a presentation to the 200mph club to make. Sept 20 weekend is Family day at the 180th Fighter wing here in Toledo so I will miss the Sept. meet. I will have my bike on display at their annual bike/car show and possibly drag race the F-16's again this year. I sponsor the ANG in my racing and that's my wifes home base. She is deployed overseas right now in the sandbox until Jan 2010.
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Don't bite. Royal Purple. Now, I'n NO expert by any stretch of the word but...I've never had an issue with oil until I changed this winter...new sponsor and all. Because of the oiling carnage and seeing it's effects in so many areas it really gives me pause. Do I know that Royal Purple was my culprit beyond a shadow of a doubt? NO. But, in retrospect, I have never had a lack of oiling or oiling issues until I changed to Royal Purple. Could it have been the fact that I was on the rev limiter with nitrous when I went thru the traps? Maybe, been there before a few times. Could it have been the new Crank from APE with his "chamfered" oil ports on the journals? Maybe, don't know for sure. Could it have been the set of cases that Rick Stetson at HMP changed the oiling ports and opened up the crank journals (the crank bearings were also damaged on the back side)? Maybe, but don't know for sure. I am going to go with 'D', all of the above contributed in some form or fashion. i think my combination of these issues all played a role in my motors demise.
I have my old tried and true crank from my back-up motor, my old set of cases, and Kendall Oil for the future that I know works just fine when I rebuild this month.
guy
Guy, are you logging oil pressure? What type of oil pick up and pan are you using? Sure sounds like oil starvation.
But, I am also no expert...
Shane
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sounds like a lot of damage for oil film...... sure ya didnt have bad pump clearances? feed or supply issues? did ya plug off the balance shaft hole?lololololol
kent
the balancer shaft won't do that either will leaving in the hex plug with block off plates, you should still get oil pressure
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Dean,
Won't be back to Maxton until October. I have a presentation to the 200mph club to make. Sept 20 weekend is Family day at the 180th Fighter wing here in Toledo so I will miss the Sept. meet. I will have my bike on display at their annual bike/car show and possibly drag race the F-16's again this year. I sponsor the ANG in my racing and that's my wifes home base. She is deployed overseas right now in the sandbox until Jan 2010.
Good on ya, safe journey for Mrs. Tiger. I can't make the Oct meet, so see you around :)
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Kent,
The pump is flawless, the balancer shaft hole has been welded for years, I use a stock oil pan and over fill by 250ml. No, no oil starvation but thanks for your concern. And the 1 thing I don't monitor is oil pressure so again, it could be a number of issues or a combination of issues. But I can tell you that nothing changed this year except the Crank from APE with the rod journals chamfered, the cases from Stetson (which are now in the aluminum trash can) and the oil.
pretty much all I can tell you.
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Send the cases to Bo Burkdoll for Save the Salt plaques :)
Kinda warms my heart to think of my old cylinder head getting a new life as a thing of beauty. :-D
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Speaking of Bo's project, Fred Vance's original cases and stuff (from the junker 'Busa he bought) are in the basket in Wendover awaiting Bo's arrival. If you're out there for any of the events -- you can probably drop the stuff off at our pit and we'll get it to him. Make sure you tell us what the stuff is -- so I don't have the place looking like an aluminum junkyard.
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...have you considered oil "additives".....
Guy, its going to be SOOOOO awesome when you get the
speed your looking for......!!!!!......
every obstacle thus far will "MAKE" the accomplishment......
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Joe,
I learned a ton with this motor tear down. A lot of what NOT to do's. I'm going back to my tried and true oil - Kendall. We ran that for years in our 500hp Nitrous GS motor'd Pro-mods. I also have been running that for a long time with ZERO issues. When I would take my motor apart, the bearings were always pristine. The pistons may have been burnt to a crisp, but the bearings, wrist pins, crank journals were always awesome.
But I WAS on a run for sure. Went thru the traps at 223 in 5th on the rev limit. It just wouldn't shift 6th on the auto shifter (found that problem too). I tried to auto shift from 5th to 6th and by the time I realized it wasn't shifting I had to let off the nitrous and do the foot thing all the while I was tagging the nitrous button to keep the R's up in the event I got it in 6th. My road race boot foot caught some wind when I moved it off the pegs (I always ride like a jockey on my toes) and got dragged backwards like a wishbone at 220mph and by the time I got it back under the shift lever it was too late. So another poor excuse of a race story to share. But, man it was pulling like a freight train. It was the 180hp tuneup and it was screaming. I can't wait to try again soon.
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I learned a ton with this motor tear down. A lot of what NOT to do's. I'm going back to my tried and true oil - Kendall. We ran that for years in our 500hp Nitrous GS motor'd Pro-mods. I also have been running that for a long time with ZERO issues. When I would take my motor apart, the bearings were always pristine. The pistons may have been burnt to a crisp, but the bearings, wrist pins, crank journals were always awesome.
It sounds like you feel that the Royal Purple oil was a big factor in your engine failure. I really thought that Royal Purple was a well proven oil, even in more demanding applications than yours? Any special formulation you were using?
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I do believe that the failure of my motor was due to many contributing factors. Since the change of lubrication material was one of the major changes I made, I must deduce it had a hand in the failure of my motor. i am not willing to continue with an unproven oil in my motor. I say unproven only to me, not the rest of the world. I was using the 10-40 version.
As I stated in my earlier post, I believe there were other factors as well. I think it was part of a multi component failure and did not help matters at all.
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Hey Guy, just heard about the motor letting go now. Heard some word about it in the pits but didn't see you later on Sunday to verify the claim from the horse's mouth. I hope you get it sorted out and go 240 by October.
Thanks again for the cold one @ the bar, I'm having another one as I type this. :-P I dont' know how much of it you remember but I remember us talking about our speed goals at Loring and you saying that if you couldn't run the number by Saturday you'd go all out and potentially blow it if need be on Sunday. Although its definately a bummer there are some key points that you may find helpful.
1) Catastrophic motor failure at over 200 mph and you walked away unharmed.
2) Slipped footing off the bike at over 200 mph and you walked away unharmed.
3) Blown up motor and you have the ability to recover, rebuild and race again just a few months later.
If you recall, you asked how come I haven't upped the spray to which I replied I simply don't have the money to recover as quickly should it blow up. We both agreed then that my methodology of staying with a relatively tame shot now for my 4th year of LSR would be wise. As mush as it may suck for you right now, remember that you have the ability from a financial aspect to bounce back and continue. That right there is something to be grateful for. :cheers: It would be nice to run the speeds I did at Loring over at Maxton and chase your speeds. Maybe one day the toothfairy will leave me a few thousand dollars and some built motors under my pillow :-) Till then enjoy your runs 8-)
One piece of advice, take it with a grain of salt. I've made very small changes over the last 4 years spraying nitrous and picked up speed here and there. It might be worth looking into going back to your tried and true configuration and only making one small change at at time. The HP is there and the Busa is a proven platform. I think Warp12 also makes a good point about logging oil pressure.
Ali
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.......its all nice that we are giving our two cents to guy...
BUT.......no one knows his program and aspirations as he does....
no slight shiptee......its so not fun having your stuff aired out
on net..........
220's 230's be damned.....
heres to ya Guy.....
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Joe,
I wasn't sure I follwed what you said. If you were thinking I was "airing out" his stuff that wasn't my intentions in the least. I was just giving him a pat on the back to get back on the horse and reminding him that he still has it pretty good. I'm sure we'll see more speed out of him in October. Sometimes it helps to have things put in perspective when you're disappointed or angry about a situation. Some of us would kill to go that fast in the standing mile. :evil:
A.
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I don't think anyone is really giving Guy a hard time. When you put your business on the internet, you are bound to illicit more than .02 in responses...I find that I usually get about $100 of response, when I would have preferred .01. :-D
I see Guy pointing out three primary areas of change:
1) Royal Purple Oil
2) APE Crank
3) Cases Modified By Rick Stetson
It would seem that each of these changes were very proven modifications/adjustments. So, I think it is very important at this point for everyone (the vendors and Guy especially) to figure out exactly what failed. By blanketing those 3 items exclusively, it would seem to cast a negative light on the products or services of the above vendors.
I have a crankshaft in my own bike that has modified oiling, and some mods to the oiling system. Will it be prone to failure? Should I have some doubt about it's reliability? Should I avoid Royal Purple oil from now on? I'm trying to learn as much as I can from Guy's misfortune.
At any rate, good luck with it Guy! I hope to see you flying in October! :-)
Shane
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Thanks all, JoeA nailed it though. Ali, I'm so proud of your accomplishments. And on a 12 to boot.
Since everyone takes everything with the grain of salt, my program has been in the making since 2002 when I started racing LSR. Ali, I started with a 40hp tuneup and have kept changing things from there. Small steps are wonderful, but I'm not interested in small hp gains or small mph gains. My goals are lofty, 240 on the juice. There are certain physics requirements to attain that and I would like to do it while I'm still alive. I just watched Modern Marvels on the History channel last night where they showed Fast machines. I watched a jet hydroplane go over 300mph on the water and the guy spent his entire life trying to do it. My life timeline is shorter than his. So major changes are needed and small steps just won't cut it. I didn't get to run on nitrous Saturday only 2 motor runs. Sunday was the only run and I wasn't going for broke, it just happened that way.
For the record, I am going back to tried and true proven items like my stock cases, Kendall oil and my old crank. If Royal Purple, wants to invest in my motors, I will continue to test their products along with Rick Stetsons cases and Jay's cranks.
Rick has been doing these cases for years and DaveO used them exclusively. Royal Purple has been around for years and many racers use the oil. No nitrous boys that I know of and I'm not sure any turbo boys either but it is a proven synthetic oil. Jay knows how to make cranks and I only use Jay at APE for my cranks. My old crank is an APE crank.
As I said earlier, I think it was a combinations of events that happened and I don't have the resources to continue trying these items again. I wil stick to what I know works for me and my program with my tuneup on my bike.
Just because I feel these items didn't work for me, don't apply my unscientific quantifications to your program.
And for those of you that went fast at Loring, an 18mph tailwind on a 1.5 mile track was awesome. Can't wait for another shot at it.
Guy
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yeah its safe squeezing small shots...... but all the glory goes to those who go big... just ask people like Afrons, or Breedlove, etc, about going big ...... where would the sport be if we all shot small...
kent
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yeah its safe squeezing small shots...... but all the glory goes to those who go big... just ask people like Afrons, or Breedlove, etc, about going big ...... where would the sport be if we all shot small...
kent
300mph on electric... GO baby go!
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JoeA, Hope you did not think that I was 'airing out' anything about Guy. I think the world of Guy and usually give him a little about a certain tactic that when Guy first told me about, I thought he was pulling my leg, until I actually saw him do it.
Guy and I talked a very little at Loring mostly about N20 because I have a half mind to try it, but it pays to learn from others experiences, he did share with me the most common failure mode(s) and opined at the time it was always a certain failure modality. One that I can niether afford to carry or obtain parts for in the first place as my 'stuff' is almost 40 years old and relatively abandoned by time.
Guy, if you felt I was inappropriately 'airing anything' out, I apologize.
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If I was offended, you'd hear about it. This is conversation were having, thats all.
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I'm glad about that! Now back to the program, how about a pic of that visor.... :-D
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(http://www.1st-to-the-finish-line.com/images/_DSC0477_a.jpg)
Best I can do.
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no worries guys.......
i could relate abit with Guy......
its nice that folks offer opinion...
i dont want to stifle that....