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Misc Forums => Website Suggestions => Topic started by: Seldom Seen Slim on March 30, 2009, 01:09:24 PM
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Howdy, folks. It's about the end of the month and the kitty from which I pay the bills is a tad lower than it needs to be to keep things up and going -- at least without having me toss in my own cash (again). I'd like to acknowledge those that have been sending contributions, both via the Paypal button on the home page -- and also those that use the mail to send checks. I've been trying to stay ahead of all donations -- by sending thank-yous and offering bumper stickers as rewards, and if you didn't get the acknowledgment after sending money -- let me know and I'll feel ashamed of myself.
Okay: Please consider sending a donation soon, if you will. The site uses money each month to keep the site running (Bob Clancy's charges) and to host the site (Dan Petersen's charges). I'm happy to report that most of the problems that used to plague the site are under control -- and that is no doubt thanks to the work these two guys are doing. As for the content and the hassles -- well, that's up to you and you and you and even me, and doesn't have anything to do with monthly charges. I see that we've driven one of the regulars away from the site -- and he was a good contributor, too. Dang. . .
So send a donation, please. I'll send a pair of bumper stickers back to you (if you include a mailing address). If you'd like to buy an old Salt Talks t-shirt -- send at least $51 and and address and I'll put a PAIR of shirts in the mail to you. You're welcome to specify the year of the shirt and the size -- and I'm likely to try to find what you've requested. But if I can't find it -- if we're out of stock of that one -- well, I'll try to at least get the size correct. We'll soon be having a new item of "branded" merchandise for the site -- as soon as they get manufactured. They'll probably be ready by the middle of May -- maybe even sooner. And we've got a good supply of landracing.com t-shirts -- for a donation of $51. Let me know the size you want, and include your mailing address.
But the bills need to be paid before then, so plan on a donation now and then, too! Thanks.
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Anyone using the "ForSale" section please consider sending a percentage to the site. If you use e-bay you know how much they take.
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JD has a fair point there. He has done just what he suggests, and quite a few others have done so, too. Just recently, in fact. So while there's no requirement to pay up a buck or three from the proceeds of whatever you've sold through the site -- it helps all of us keep our individual contributions down while allowing the site to move along. Thanks!
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What is a salt talks shirt?
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Two for $51.
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Two for $51.
Including shipping :cheers:
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nrhs sales, there is an event on the Sunday of Speed Week that is held at the bend in the road as one goes from the freeway to the end of the road. People that frequent this site attend. Food, drink, bench racing, 50/50 drawing and special t-shirts are printed. The shirts that weren't sold are stored and Jon now has them for sale.
That is what a salt talks shirt is all about.
FREUD
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Wow, thanks, gentlemen. Four or five of you have already sent $$ via Paypal, and some of you have offered some here on the Forum. Noonan, I've got your address -- but do I have yours, Jim? Send it via email if you will
Thank you very much, everyone. I appreciate the show of support - and so will Bob and Dan when it's their payday.
Gotta get back to packing for Maxton. We leave tomorrow afternoon for the 1,300-mile ride (going via Todd and Deb's place in Fburg, Virginia).
Which reminds me of a joke, sorta, that I heard from my mom, but I'll put that in the "humor" section.
Thanks again. Final reminder: Give me an address if you want stuff shipped to you. Thanks again and again.
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Test post, that's all.
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Okay -- I've put this off as long as I could, hoping that the Christmas season would stir your feelings of generosity and get some moolah moving towards this site. But alas, save for a few wonderful folks, there hasn't been much arriving at the universal headquarters of landracing.com in the past few months -- but the bills keep on coming in, regular as hurt motors in racing. So I'm resorting to the old ploy - asking for donations.
Here's the story: it takes a few hundred dollars a month to keep this site up and running the way it is. I say it that way because as you may have noticed -- I try to keep advertising to a minimum. Most of the ads that are here - are from folks that actively support the world of land speed racing and have asked me if they could contribute to the upkeep of the site. (Side note: I've received "flame notes" from some detractors trying to blame the lack of advertising on my editorial attitudes. They're welcome to their ideas -- but the truth is that I think I'm right in keeping advertising reduced to just a few - so when you folks go to the site, to the Forum -- you get darn near 100% racing, 0% ads).
But ads or no, the bills don't quit. Since last year's Shootout I've had to pay a higher monthly fee for bandwidth -- because so many folks get online and spend time here. Super -- I'm tickled pink to have so much acceptance. The downside is that it takes more money. I've also had a comment here and there, by the way, that it's kinda difficult to use Paypal to contribute - 'cause the button leads to a long page that's cornfusing. So I'm working on making it way easier for you to support this site. Look for us to make it easier than ever for you to send money.
Thanks, folks. I really enjoy running this site for you -- but not so much that I'll pay for it all out of my pocket. Racing isn't all that cheap for us, either, and we need to buy expensive pistons and C16 just like you.
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Hey Jon, have you got a snail-mail address up there with the U-Pers that we can use to send something the old fashioned way?
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To donate by mail please send funds to
Landracing.com
509 Dukes Road, Skandia, Michigan 49885
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Thanx.
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I PP'd ya Jon.
Thanks SSS , we just hit 100,000 views on our Australian Bellytank thread. It's been great fun, a great resource and we've enjoyed every minute of it..... a couple of times when I mentioned we were struggling financially we even had several members offer us a kick along ( "hey Fella , lemme help you out")...we didn't take it but we were very very flattered that people would even offer.
Thanks to everyone here....and have a safe , fast and enjoyable time at whatever you do this year.
BTW, check out the weather in Melbourne Australia today.......theys predicting 110F :-o
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I think Jon is on the right track here, as in each individual contributing according to their utilization of this resource. I'm sure the same few people over-contribute every year, just as the same not-so-few people don't. That's not meant to be a Carte Blanche insinuation, just more reason to compare this with a magazine subscription.
BRN or HotRod are among the most popular among the LSR crowd it seems, and valuable and portable as they are, the content on them is dated, and not available NOW like this venue. Consider the practically instant broadcasting we had this past September from the Shootout - that alone was worth a subscription charge.
My personal opinion, FWIW, a minimum of an annual $25 for everybody is a regular here is the LEAST you should consider.
Bob W
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What we need here is some good old fashioned public humiliation.(kidding) :evil:
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Hey,
I am a tightwad, and I just sent in $50 for the year. So all you other tightwads (OK frugal individuals) send in your money if you have not.
Tom G.
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I'm like Tom and one upped him. $51, the check is in the mail. :-D
I get a lot from the forum. Info, Alzheimer's prevention, laughter, psychoanalysis, spelling correction... It's worth it.
Geo
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I'm like Tom and one upped him. $51, the check is in the mail. :-D
I get a lot from the forum. Info, Alzheimer's prevention, laughter, psychoanalysis, spelling correction... It's worth it.
Geo
Geo,
Man your making me look bad. LOL. Just kidding. Cheers.
Tom G.
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Jon...put a little sumpin' in your paypal. No need to send shirts....wife says I have too many "car stuff" t-shirts already.
thanks for the fun site,
JimL (leinfam....)
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Sent a little more this time around.
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Congrats on a top site Slim :cheers: I've sent a few bob your way also.
Tiny
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"Congrats on a top site Slim :cheers: I've sent a few bob your way also".
Tiny
We got enough Bobs on this site,he needs Bills, Francs,or Pounds, or Loonies, or Urines ,(Continental money?), or at least a few Hern.
How's that, J.E.?
BW
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Okay -- I've put this off as long as I could, hoping that the Christmas season would stir your feelings of generosity and get some moolah moving towards this site. But alas, save for a few wonderful folks, there hasn't been much arriving at the universal headquarters of landracing.com in the past few months -- but the bills keep on coming in, regular as hurt motors in racing. So I'm resorting to the old ploy - asking for donations.
Here's the story: it takes a few hundred dollars a month to keep this site up and running the way it is. I say it that way because as you may have noticed -- I try to keep advertising to a minimum. Most of the ads that are here - are from folks that actively support the world of land speed racing and have asked me if they could contribute to the upkeep of the site. (Side note: I've received "flame notes" from some detractors trying to blame the lack of advertising on my editorial attitudes. They're welcome to their ideas -- but the truth is that I think I'm right in keeping advertising reduced to just a few - so when you folks go to the site, to the Forum -- you get darn near 100% racing, 0% ads).
But ads or no, the bills don't quit. Since last year's Shootout I've had to pay a higher monthly fee for bandwidth -- because so many folks get online and spend time here. Super -- I'm tickled pink to have so much acceptance. The downside is that it takes more money. I've also had a comment here and there, by the way, that it's kinda difficult to use Paypal to contribute - 'cause the button leads to a long page that's cornfusing. So I'm working on making it way easier for you to support this site. Look for us to make it easier than ever for you to send money.
Thanks, folks. I really enjoy running this site for you -- but not so much that I'll pay for it all out of my pocket. Racing isn't all that cheap for us, either, and we need to buy expensive pistons and C16 just like you.
Slim,
I tried to donate via the link on the home page "Help Landracing.com" but it just blinked and took me back to the home page????
Something I'm doing wrong?
Buzz
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Pop-up blocker??
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I've finally remembered to ask Bob Clancy to make the "donate" buttons both easier to find - and easier to use. Be patient - or use the mailing address. It's slower but good enough.
And a huge thank you to the many of you that have already sent in your shekels since I posted my note just yesterday. I muchly appreciate it - and the site does, too, 'cause now it'll stay on and growing just like we ALL want it to be.
Maybe I'll make a list of the donors and have it posted on the front page - like I have in the past. That'll be better than public humiliation, I think. And didja see about the 2010 Shootout? This is gonna be one super-duper event, ladies and gentlemen -- and like I mentioned there -- you'll be able to get full-time real time coverage as usual.
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Jon, Just sent you a reason to wander out to the mail box. Keep up the great work. J.B.
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Nice avatar, Jerry. And thanks for the (expected) missive.
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Nice avatar, Jerry. And thanks for the (expected) missive.
Dark Side of the Moon - isn't the song "Money" on that album? :wink:
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Just sent out my subscription fee
Thanks Jon, keep up the GREAT work!
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Nice avatar, Jerry. And thanks for the (expected) missive.
Dark Side of the Moon - isn't the song "Money" on that album? :wink:
And in my case, M.M.........so is " Brain Damage" :cheers:
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Wow, what a nice feeling of endorsement. So far this site has received donations (since my request of a few days ago) from (in no particular order):
Joe Daly
Justin Calkins
John Maguire
Tom Smith
Scott Bearisto
Jim Leininger
Joel Wolcott
Johnson's Machine and Performance
Bob Bakker
James Stewart
Rob Lambert
Jack Broomall
Chris Conrad
If I've missed anyone -- feel free to jump in and rattle my cage. These donations all arrived via Paypal -- if you've mailed something it'll take a while to get here.
Thank you all very much. To those of you that haven't yet offered a buck or ten to help keep landracing.com going -- well, unh -- either do so -- or make sure you thank these kind folks for doing what they've done for the good of the site.
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what or where is the maailing address :? :?
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It's on the page that shows up when you click on the "Help Support landracing.com" button on the home page of this site, but we're going to get that button over to this Foirum, too. In the meantime, it's 509 Dukes Road, Skandia, Michigan 49885. Thanks for asking.
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Jon ---it no workee :-D :-D
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Yes it do -- at least here in Upper Michigan. I tried it a few seconds ago and got through right away. Try again?
Or do you mean the Dukes Road address doesn't work? We got mail at that address today.
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Dumb Aurora on this end --- wasn't what I was expecting!!!!!!!!!!1
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It's on the page that shows up when you click on the "Help Support landracing.com" button on the home page of this site, but we're going to get that button over to this Foirum, too. In the meantime, it's 509 Dukes Road, Skandia, Michigan 49885. Thanks for asking.
Slim,
Okay I finally figured out it was me and not the "button" that didn't work. A small token of my thanks has been send via Paypal...
The "help support" button only takes you to instruction on how to donate. So read the information and it will tell you how to do make a snail mail or Paypal donation.
For those of you using Paypal just log into your Paypal account and click on the "Send Money" tab.
Put: jonwennerberg@nancyandjon.org in the "To" box and then put the donation you want to make in the "Amount" box. That's all there is to it....
Buzz
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Thanks. Bob's got me working to set up an easier way -- so you don't have to go there and then enter my email addy. Pretty soon, hey? Thanks again, everybody.
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Hey -- there's a pair of Paypal buttons on this site now. There's one up near(er) the top of the home page, and it goes directly to Paypal - not to another page where you still need to stand on your head and blow bubbles through a straw.
And then there's also one on the home page of the Forum -- in the middle, near the top - hard to miss. Finally -- maybe the site will get more donations and I'll get fewer folks asking how to donate.
Thanks for all of the funds you've sent to keep the site running. Things are fine for now, but that doesn't mean I couldn't use a little now and then to make sure that we stay ahead of the wolves.
TTFN.
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Done
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Done.
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Yep, both of your contributions have been announced to me by Paypal. Thank you very much.
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New donations received (as of noon EST Wednesday).
Valerie Carr
Jeff McCain
ulrace
Thanks to you folks for helping keep the website finances above water and the site thriving.
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Oh, and Rex Svoboda sent a donation, too. Thanks, thanks, thanks.
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Jon,
How about leaving some of the sale items at Land's End? I would be glad to sell some items for you and I think I might be easier to find than your pit! I end up taking donations for Save the Salt, so it wouldn't be an inconvenience for us. Besides, when some of the guys buy passes, find out they didn't need them and want their money back, I have to rely on their integrity to stop and share that money with you and StS! Mostly, they make it to the "Salt" trailer, but seem to miss you! I don't mind buying their passes back, but I have asked that they at least donate half of the price to either cause. Never did get high marks for being subtle!
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Anyway, it's a thought, so...would you think about it?
Lynda
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Slim.....You could auction off a signed shirt........................ :cheers:J.B.
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Great Idea, Jerry. I'll send a shirt or two to you so you can autograph them. I think we've got your addy on file, right?
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"Sigh"...................(walks away slowly, shaking his head) :roll:
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Yes, I know this isn't going to be about "donations" per se, but sorta. . .
An anonymous collector of things related to our kind of racing has offered to sell to landracing.com - his collection of all sorts of memorabilia. He'd sell it to me at a pretty decent price, he says, and it'd be low-cost enough that I could then resell it on the site either in a "store" or as auction items. The question is -- would you folks support my investment - as your opportunity to collect some things?
There are old Hot Rod magazines, each (he says) with some direct to Bonneville -- whether an event report or an article on a car or photos or records and other speeds. There are old posters and t-shirts - some still in the original packing so therefore in mint/collectible condition. Bonneville pins, rulebooks from years gone past, and so on. Stuff covers (mostly) the period of 1950's through the 80's, I believe. I haven't seen it yet so please don't hold me to exact descriptions.
It'll be a substantial investment for the website (read: ME!), so I'm not going to simply buy it all and hope to heck that you'll take time to read the descriptions and buy some of the stuff -- at least enough to help me recoup my costs.
There's then the issue of whether to do it with auctions or with an on-line store. My thinking leans toward a store with perhaps an auction now and then, especially with really cool stuff.
What do you think?
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Jon, go with the store. It will work better then an auction for collectables.
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What do you think?
Jon,
It is really up to you. Do you have the spare time needed to sell that type of stuff? How long will it take for you to recoup your investment before it starts to make you a profit for the website? Maybe a better way to do it would be to ask the person to put the stuff up for sale on the website and give you a percentage of the total sale price. Just some thoughts on the subject.
Tom G.
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Thanks, you two. I know pretty much the responsibilities and chances I'd be taking, that's for sure -- having run a couple of small businesses for the past 20 years. What I'm still trying to learn is if there's likely to be a market for this stuff. I could eBay it, no doubt, but hey -- since it's all related to LSR I'd rather give all of us first crack at it. I've thought about - and asked - having the current owner sell it himself and donate some $$ to the website, but he's in such a position and age that he doesn't want to be burdened by anything more than shipping it to me and receiving the $$.
I know it's going to be a major undertaking to catalog, photo, price, and display all this stuff. The question remains -- is there enough lsr interest to make it at least somewhat worthwhile?
I look forward to more comments.
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Jon,
I appreciate all that you do with this website, and would love the to see a LSR Store on here. One option could be, if something seems to be sitting be too long in the store, then put a last chance memo on the item. If it still doesn't move then try to sell it on eBay. I know people who often search eBay for all things Bonneville or Land Speed related items.
Thanks again,
Craig
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Seeings how I have first hand knowledge of a store front on the website I would offer these suggestions. If this person has all the pictures done, cropped and large picture and small picture already sized and ready to go, that is half your battle.
Just think what some of this old stuff could possibly do for your engraving business. Might be something interesting. There always has been a market for LSR items - it just takes the right person to look and want.
The easiest way to catalog the items is with a csv file. Almost every webstore software support csv bulk uploads. That inlcudes name of item, description, shipping costs and pictures. You make all the shipping a flat rate - for small stuff one price - for larger items this price it just makes it easier that way instead of weighing each item.
Some people who give donations to the website may rather purchase something from the store to support the website. Having an equal amount of customers here stateside and overseas the store remains open 24/7. People overseas seemed to be more frequent just for the fact that this type of material is not available overseas. Look at your site stats for the revolving 12 months you will be astonished on the overseas visits. Britian, Japan and Austrailia seem to lead the pack.
Use paypal exclusively for payments by credit card. This is much much easier then trying to setup a credit card system on the storefront. I had both - Paypal is cheaper and easier.
Having memorabilia I think is key to adding value to the website. This is where you get information to update pages. For example the old hot rods gave very good information on records set during that year. Old programs give you information about the pre entries. Use this information to build new pages to the website. Now we are adding historical value to the website, and strenthening the position of the website as being the elite source of Land Speed Racing information, new or old. Old books bring about good information to read, people now rely on you for information new and old. I found I had to learn the history is almost more important then the current information.
have extra T-shirts from Salt Talks, store front place to sell them, Landracing.com items will also sell. It just would be the full package. Income then is steady from month to month along with the donation drives.
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Jon, I'll buy. I think a Store would work well and maybe you could put your engraving items in there too.
Richard
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While I remain busy trying to decide if I will set up an online lr.com store -- I've been offered a deal on some photos - by Larry Ledford, a/k/a blackhorse. I'll include a couple of thumbnails here, after I tell you what he's suggesting.
First of all, we'll start with the two photos of Charles Nearburg's "Spirit of Rett". That's the car, as you probably remember, that broke the Goldenrod's 45-year-old record this past September at the Shootout. One is a big (36w x 24 tall) poster-size really great photo of the car, taken in late afternoon sun. The other is an 8 x 10 of the car in the measured mile of the course -- when it was, therefore, booking right along around 415 - 420 or so. Both of these thumbnails are watermarked with Larry's mark - so the bad guys don't steal them (or, if they insist, they'll get kinda low quality and the watermark, too). Anyway, he's offered a number of the sets to be sold here as a fund raiser for the site - and to make a buck or two for himself while getting his name and skill as a photographer some publicity. (By the way, he's also taken shots of the Ack Attack bike and even got one of the Speed Demon having some "troubles". I don't know if he's going to sell those, or what -- just letting you know some of his work).
Back to selling these. The first set I'll auction off, starting at $100 for them both. Then I'll sell the rest - using the auction price for the now-established sale price. Sounds okay to me. Will somebody please start the bidding? If you've got questions I'll either give you some kind of answer - or get one that's probably more accurate from Larry.
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Thanks Jon, as mentioned the first print is a poster size display print photograph.
I have a print of the same shot in my living room, and I am very pleased with the shot.
It was taken after the awards ceremony as the sun was setting and a full moon rising in the background behind the car.
The smaller 8x10 photo was shot during the cars record return run, very early in the morning, just as it entered the speed traps on the second run. I am not aware of any other still photo of the car at speed on its record passes (there were only about 6 people in the spectator area when the record was set).
for the record minor correction --- name is Larry Ledwick blackhorse photo
Larry
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Well, Larry -- I was kinda close on your name, wasn't I? I apologise for the error.
Back to the auction: I guess I should put a start and end time/date. It's started as of my post a little while ago, and I'll let it run through 9PM this Sunday. I don't necessarily want to run it that long, save to give the weekend-only Forum folks their chance to see it. And 9PM will be Eastern Standard Time -- the time zone Nancy and I are in. For the record and so you can synchronize your clocks and calendars -- I'm posting this at 9.23PM EST on Tuesday.
G'night.
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Well someone has to bid first, so here goes...
$105.00
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Slim,
Just curious what clock do we go by? The time it shows on top of the post, which I guess is when we hit the post button. Or the normal time on our clocks at home which could be a minute fast or slow? Not trying to be picky just trying to avoid any problems like the last auction had.
I have an Atomic clock here at the house so for the fun of it I will hit the post button at 10:50:00 PST and see what shows up on the post.
Tom G.
PS. Well it looks like our clocks agree. LOL
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Okay, that's a good question, Tom - and I'm not sure of the answer. The Forum software has the clock display - but I don't know if it sets itself with reference to some other clock or standard -- or if it's a setting that I can control. I'll look around after I post and after I finish this "Jack Pine Mushers Association" engraving for the upcoming sled dog race. If I can set the clock - I'll set it using the time from the cellphone system, which is at least nationwide, but maybe not accurate to the second like yours tries to be. If I can I will -- otherwise I'll ty to get at least within a handful of seconds.
I guess that if you want to be the final bidder on something -- you'll want to test your system and the Forum clock to see which is when.
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Howdy again, ladies and germs (to paraphrase Alan Alda in the Mash TV series):
If there's a way to set/check the clock that shows up near the top/right corner of the Forum - it's pretty well hidden. I just now clicked my way around the Administrative pages and didn't see it. Nothing about time except that each member can adjust his display for so many hours ahead/behind the Forum clockwhich setting place is in the member profile section. I hope to heck the Forum clock is set for Eastern time.
I'll ask Bob if he knows where the clock's controls are tucked away - and then maybe I'll know and will respond here again.
Question posed -- will get an answer when he gets home from work and heating up the house. He reported -16F yesterday -- and he lives right near Albuquerque. BBrrrrr...
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If there's a way to set/check the clock that shows up near the top/right corner of the Forum - it's pretty well hidden.
Jon check to see if it matches the system time on the computer hosting the forum. It is entirely possible it gets its time from the host computer.
Larry
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While I remain busy trying to decide if I will set up an online lr.com store -- I've been offered a deal on some photos - by Larry Ledford, a/k/a blackhorse. I'll include a couple of thumbnails here, after I tell you what he's suggesting.
First of all, we'll start with the two photos of Charles Nearburg's "Spirit of Rett". That's the car, as you probably remember, that broke the Goldenrod's 45-year-old record this past September at the Shootout. One is a big (36w x 24 tall) poster-size really great photo of the car, taken in late afternoon sun. The other is an 8 x 10 of the car in the measured mile of the course -- when it was, therefore, booking right along around 415 - 420 or so. Both of these thumbnails are watermarked with Larry's mark - so the bad guys don't steal them (or, if they insist, they'll get kinda low quality and the watermark, too). Anyway, he's offered a number of the sets to be sold here as a fund raiser for the site - and to make a buck or two for himself while getting his name and skill as a photographer some publicity. (By the way, he's also taken shots of the Ack Attack bike and even got one of the Speed Demon having some "troubles". I don't know if he's going to sell those, or what -- just letting you know some of his work).
Back to selling these. The first set I'll auction off, starting at $100 for them both. Then I'll sell the rest - using the auction price for the now-established sale price. Sounds okay to me. Will somebody please start the bidding? If you've got questions I'll either give you some kind of answer - or get one that's probably more accurate from Larry.
Just moving it back to the front -- so all will see it and at least have a chance at buying a set of these photos. I've heard from Larry -- that you're welcome to have him print the photo of the Spirit of Rett at speed in a few larger sizes -- but anything bigger than about 11x14 will be pretty grainy and poor resolution. The big photo is great at 24x36.
Please go back a few posts, read through the stuff, and maybe - just maybe - you'll decide that it's worth a bit of your hard-earned cash to buy a set of these cool photos for yourself (and help landracing.com in the bargain, too).
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What do I see -- the clock showing it's about 7 1/2 hours or so 'til the end of the auction? Come on, ladies and gentlemen, please consider taking a gander at the photos that are available on the site - as a fund raiser for the landracing.com world. These will be a fine addition to your wall decorations -- maybe even to hang in your shop (but first enclose them in a good frame -- too nice to make them vulnerable to soot and grime and welding smoke).
I'm hoping that the auction will be popular for another, more basic reason, too. I don't like to have to ask for donations for the site more often than I NEED to ask -- but to raise the money to keep things going smoothly I've gotta have some ongoing source of funds. I've mentioned before - and will do it here, again - that I'm considering other auctions on a regular basis, or maybe buying that collector's collection (that's what collectors do, right?) of collected collectibles which I could use as the base for an online store. Things would be listed and always available for you to purchase -- old programs, old rule books, photos, posters, models, and so on almost ad infinitum. But it'll take a four-figure investment to get them - and that's more money than this site can easily afford if I don't have some firm evidence that there's a good marketplace for the stuff.
One confirmer is your interest in the auctions. Want more to buy? Visit the auction site and make an offer on the pictures of the car that broke the Goldenrod's 45-year-old record. Thanks.
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Hey, hey, hey! It looks like Scott Beairsto is the winner of the Spirit of Rett photos. I'll have Larry contact you (if he hasn't already done so) to arrange shipping. You might consider contacting Charles Nearburg to have him autograph the photo(s). He was certainly happy to sign one for me (of the Summers Brothers and the Goldenrod) at the Shootout last year. I have not been in touch with him since then.
Next will be trying to find out if there is a simple 9or complex, for that matter) reason why this aucrtion did not draw much acitivity. I'll chew over that issue in another post, though.
In the meantime -- congratulations, Scott. You've got a really cool bit of land speed racing history to add to your collection. Thanbks, Larry, for the donation of it, too.
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Hay, hey, haigh -- it's been two months since the last auction on here ended, so I'll start another one now. This is to be a fund-raiser for the website, and will offer a unique bit of land speed racing memorabilia. High bidder gets the item, of course. The auction will end Sunday, 24 April, at 6PM EDT. That's a little more than one week from today - so all should have a chance to see the shirt. What shirt, you ask? Well, a couple of years ago -- when we first had the new landracing.com t-shirts available, Andy Green stopped by at that year's Salt Talks for a while and a bite to eat. While he was there I asked him - and he graciously did - to sign a few of the new shirts. One or two of them have already gone at previous events, and there's just this one remaining. It's an XL shirt. Here are a couple of photos of it:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/SpeedWeek%202008/IMG_0138.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/SpeedWeek%202008/IMG_0140.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/SpeedWeek%202008/IMG_0139.jpg)
There it is, boys and girls. You've got about 171.2 hours to make your offers for something to add to your collection of land speed racing items. Have at it!
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I'll open with $25.00 even if it is too large for me. :cheers:
Mike
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$35
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100.00 :cheers:
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SSS, I'll send you a donation that matches Noonan's bid above, without bidding myself. As I already have a still new Andy Green T-shirt like that & if it's okay with you I'll send it to your friends in W. Wendover for the new Salt Flats racing museum.
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Whoa, cool. Thanks, Moxnix, and what a good idea -- getting not only Sir Andy's name in the museum in a different manner -- but getting this website represented there. too. Thank you very much -- and thanks, John Noonan, too. I guess your spill last weekend and your recovery since has left you well enough that you're able to offer your support to the site - again.
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Hmmm.................Where have I seen that shirt before?????????????? :cheers:
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In your dreams, Jerry -- in your dreams. Maybe that dream was the one where Nancy was modeling the shirt.
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Moxnix, that's very generous of you! :cheers:
John, glad that you are okay! :cheers:
...but I'd really like to wear that shirt on my first run down the salt.
$110
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125.00
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SSS, the check is in the mail (insert joke here).
Mike is out on an all day ride, so I'll call CarQuest in E. Wendover again tomorrow and find out where to send the other shirt.
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$140
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150.00
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Mr Noonan, you got me! :cheers:
Now we'll see what everyone else does...
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Buddy,
Don't give up now. Just increase your bid very little at a time. You guys are off to the races and there are still 6 days left. LOL. Hasn't Ebay taught you anything, meaning it is the last guy who bids before the deadline who usually gets the prize.
Tom G.
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Haha! I tried to use the 'snipe' program, but it wouldn't work on this site! :-D
Tom, I bid what I could spend- now I better be smart and spend it finishing the build!
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160.00
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John, what the heck? You made a bid for $150 - and now you've upped it to $160. Bidding against yourself is fine with me -- but maybe you'll come to your senses and decide to let others get in on the fun. Or - is this a way to express your happiness with married life? Whatever reason for the largesse -- thank you very much.
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165.00
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Keep talking to him, Slim.
(Talk is cheap.)
Maybe he thinks you're bidding!
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Jon, I think John may have bumped his head harder than first thought, and the pain meds must be really good and kicking into high gear. I'm sure when he gets back down on the ground he will bid against other bidders instead of that guy on the keyboard reflecting in his screen :roll:
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Jon, I think John may have bumped his head harder than first thought, and the pain meds must be really good and kicking into high gear. I'm sure when he gets back down on the ground he will bid against other bidders instead of that guy on the keyboard reflecting in his screen :roll:
No I am fine, I need to send Jon a few bucks for the great site what better than to "raise the bidding".
John
PS. Don't crash over 270 mph..it really hurts.. :-o
Noonan
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LOL good one, glad to see your humor is still intact. :cheers:
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Andy Green is the current holder of the World Land speed record, and the first person to break the sound barrier on land. It's a unique shirt, and a good cause. If SSS ever does another run of those shirts, I hope he puts the Landracing.com on the front and the racing verbage on the back, to differentiate the first and later editions. Maybe someday. And if the other Jon is keeping the dustbin in development, I hope he considers a center hub front steering. They take some getting used to, but are less susceptible to sidewind gusts. I'll try and keep further opinions to myself.
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Andy Green is the current holder of the World Land speed record, and the first person to break the sound barrier on land. It's a unique shirt, and a good cause. If SSS ever does another run of those shirts, I hope he puts the Landracing.com on the front and the racing verbage on the back, to differentiate the first and later editions. Maybe someday. And if the other Jon is keeping the dustbin in development, I hope he considers a center hub front steering. They take some getting used to, but are less susceptible to sidewind gusts. I'll try and keep further opinions to myself.
Thank you for the information regarding Andy Green, regarding the Airtech DB fairing..I am certain the wreck/crash was not caused by the fairing being affected by either side winds or a gust.
I am hoping this week we can put the bike/bodywork back together to acurately determine what the cause of the crash was, until then Bob and I will not speculate as to what caused the problem we/I endured.
Once we do I/we will post our findings as to the issue at hand, this will be done to make sure that no one else endures what I did last Sunday while running over 270+ mph. The picture of the 314 mph gps was not posted by another racer to stipulate what our top speed was, it was posted simply as what it was..an erroneous measurement we have not experienced with a gps in the past and never before experienced until now.
We are certain that with further development with our design we will be not only closer to our bad gps speed however we will again have the fasted timed sit-on bike anywhere. This will ruffle some feathers however we are positive with what we have learned.
John
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We shall be looking forward to it. Hmmm, now maybe if the SCTA sanctioned an off season race at the Mojave airport, and allowed dustbins for "sprint racing only," and added a page or two in the rule book to keep track of 1 mile sprint records, it might make a fine event and be the stuff more dreams are made of. We all remember the milestone when Rick first took a P-P Hayabusa over 200. Now sit on bikes are heading for 300. SSS might have to get a few signed T-shirts to note the event and auction them off here.
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Once we do I/we will post our findings as to the issue at hand, this will be done to make sure that no one else endures what I did last Sunday while running over 270+ mph. The picture of the 314 mph gps was not posted by another racer to stipulate what our top speed was, it was posted simply as what it was..an erroneous measurement we have not experienced with a gps in the past and never before experienced until now.
John
John, My first thought when I saw the GPS reading (Granted I do not know the rate that the GPS collects and calculates data) is that if the bike had flipped, end over end, at some point part of that bike furthest from the axis may have been traveling over 300. Kind of like throwing a stick, the stick is only traveling 40 MPH but the ends are passing the axis rapidly. But it has been a long time since I have taken a physics course so I am probably way off base.
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That is very likely the case, that speed is the peak speed of the GPS unit, not necessarily the bike. Like a helicopter with its spinning rotor, the rotor blade that is advancing forward goes through the air much faster than the helicopter.
In the same sense if the GPS unit was thrown forward off the bike it would be recording both the speed of the bike at the time it was "ejected" and its own forward motion relative to the bike.
GPS measures speed by measuring time delay of arriving radio signals from the satellites it is watching. Any motion that caused the antenna on the GPS unit to move in a forward direction (direct velocity of ejection from the bike and rotation of the GPS unit around its own center of mass) would add to the apparent speed it would measure.
It looks like from this paper that the speed errors for a garmin GPS are about 4.64 knots or around 5 mph error.
This error would of course be for the speed of the GPS antenna relative to the satellites not the speed of the bike in this case.
http://www.gps-results.com/GPS_Speed.pdf
Larry
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That is very likely the case, that speed is the peak speed of the GPS unit, not necessarily the bike. Like a helicopter with its spinning rotor, the rotor blade that is advancing forward goes through the air much faster than the helicopter.
In the same sense if the GPS unit was thrown forward off the bike it would be recording both the speed of the bike at the time it was "ejected" and its own forward motion relative to the bike.
GPS measures speed by measuring time delay of arriving radio signals from the satellites it is watching. Any motion that caused the antenna on the GPS unit to move in a forward direction (direct velocity of ejection from the bike and rotation of the GPS unit around its own center of mass) would add to the apparent speed it would measure.
It looks like from this paper that the speed errors for a garmin GPS are about 4.64 knots or around 5 mph error.
This error would of course be for the speed of the GPS antenna relative to the satellites not the speed of the bike in this case.
http://www.gps-results.com/GPS_Speed.pdf
Larry
Larry/Dallas.
Great info..all we know at this time are that the bike was geared for 28*.*^$ in fifth gear..we know we were not at 314..nobody said we were..if the bike "rotated/flipped" at 28*.&^+ then the bike should have kept on flipping and not simply flop from left to right.
McVicar made a good point that perhaps the GPS unit can be checked for time versus distance.. :cheers:
All we want to know is the actual speed at which we went down.
We will see.
John
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...the "best" news is that you are alright John...!..
Joe :)
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All we want to know is the actual speed at which we went down.
We will see.
John
Too dang fast. crazy arse 2 wheeled riding wingnuts. :wink: Really glad to hear your OK.
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Let's get this back in front of everyone - and maybe up the ante a few bits. For those of you that were hiding earlier, the website is auctioning off a landracing.com t-shirt autographed by Andy Green (the fastest man on the planet). Go back a handful of posts to see a few photos (or I guess I can re-post 'em, but they're at the house and I'm not). The shirt is a cool bit of "there's only this one, in the whole world" L S R memorabilia, and the revenue from the sale of it will help keep the site up and running well. As I remember it -- right now the high bid is John Noonan's $165, and he's been the most constant bidder -- like he really wants the shirt. Are you interested? If so -- please make a bid and do your bit to not only help the site -- but to have something for your own LSR collection. Thanks, folks.
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Bump.
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Payment sent :cheers:
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P O Box 1665 HB CA?
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Oops, only bumped 'cause I thought the auction ran for x number of hours and wasn't over yet. I defer to the verbage on the Salt Talks 2011 thread. SSS, if you want to auction anything else here on this one, I've got some books to donate: The Fastest Motorcycles on Earth by Tom Murphy, children's book Land Speed Racing by Steve Hendrickson (motorcycles), The Daytona 200 by Don Emde (paperback from 1991), George Lepp's Bonneville Salt Flats-Speed Limit 1000 MPH- from 1988, Carl McClanahan's V-Twin Thunder from 1984 for older Harley big and little twin performance mods. And Steven Wright's American Racer 1900 to 1939 & 1940 to 1980 (two volumes). Lemme know if you want to do something with them. Buyers can pay you and I'll ship them.
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I'd be a buyer for Carl McClanahan's V-Twin Thunder from 1984 for older Harley's.
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Paperback, about 60 pages, Carl was a drag racer starting with a Panhead in 1958, raced until about 1974. Put the first wheelie bar on a bike in 1971. He still lives about 3 miles south of here, but I've lost his number or I'd ask him to sign it. Real good condition, no greasy fingerprints. Will you go $15 sent to Landracing and I'll ship it if you PM me your address.
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Well, well - thanks for stepping up, Mox. I appreciate the offer - and the sale. I don't want to burden you with shipping costs, though, so keep a tab going and I'll sooner or later reimburse you. On things like historical books we've found it necessary to insure them (so they at least generate some $$ when they go missing).
As for you, 38F (big bra size?), thank you very much. I think that the two of you handled the entire transaction just fine - so will let you continue doing the book sales. If there's money left over you're welcome to send it to the site and I'll deposit it. Today there's $125 going to the checking account. Thanks for the checks, gentlemen (Hint: Montana and Arizona).
Back to the laser, and I'm also trying to figure out a better way of serving the pasties at Salt Talks. This project will keep me busy, for sure.
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Moxnix, how many donation $$$ for this one?
George Lepp's Bonneville Salt Flats-Speed Limit 1000 MPH- from 1988
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The Carl McC. book is a decent little technical guide, and since my lovely wife, aka, "the little general," has me moving out of my home office so she can convert it to a guest room, it's better these go to someone who will enjoy them rather than having them catch dust in the garage in my losing battle against losing territory. I'll take care of shipping & insurance as noted. Hopefully, a few pictures of the other books are forthcoming, if I can find my connecting cables in the current rubble of my life.
As for the rest of the books, make offers please.
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Lepp book is gone.
Will try to get pictures up, my cell photos were two big and my old camera needs batteries
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Very Cool, I'll take it!
Thanks! :cheers:
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PM me where to send it. The rest of the books are being shipped to SSS next week to take care of dispersing them as he sees fit. Thanks very much.
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Hello from warm and sunny Skandia -- where the temp positively soared today. We reached all of 63 degrees F. Whooo, that's warm. It's warm enough that it's time to think about wearing t-shirts again. (Attempted segue into telling you that shirts are available).
We got a new batch of landracing.com shirts earlier this week. It was a "fill in" order -- so that once again we have most sizes from S to 3XL, and in both black/white lettering -- and white w/black letters & graphics. Same stuff printed on both colors. Shirts are goinng to be $17 ea. plus shipping, which is about $5 for one, $7.50 for two of 'em, and $11 for three. Sorry the shipping is so high -- but the rates are set by the post office, not me.
But I gotta admit that there's a mis-print (really an omission) on the new order. When I emailed with the shirt guy I asked him to delete Lovelock (Nevada). Well, the good news is that he did omit it. That bad news is that he removed Loring (Maine), too. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Oh, Tim, can you ever forgive me?
We're putting up a page for selling both these shirts and old Salt Talks shirts, and that'll be done in a day or two. It's in beta stage right now -- with incorrect shipping costs. It'll also have instructions for payment via the Paypal buttons on this site.
Final shirt comment -- wait 'til you see the shirts for Salt Talks 2011 :-o
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Here's the link to the "shirts for sale" page. Visit, decide, and buy. Quantities and sizes of most variations are limited, so order now -- first order in, first order out. Pay through the lr.com Paypal "donate" button. Thanks.
Now for the bad news - that I might have already mentioned elsewhere. Somehow the "Loring" event got misplaced on this newest printing of the shirts. I asked that "Lovelock" be removed - and not only did it go away, but also the Loring word. Sorry. I've got about 5 dozen of these to sell now, so buy them while they're still available - before they become collector's items for the omission. You can see the front and back of both black and white (as the shirts hung on our clothesline) - and the lack of Loring is pretty noticeable. If you can put up with that goof-up -- buy, please.
http://www.landracing.com/salttalks_shirts/salt_talks_shirts.htm
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Slim, I am glad we hooked up at the Salt Talks.
I wish I could have handed you more cash, but laying out $2300 bucks for a new tow vehicle motor sort of wiped out both my wallet and the Visa Card that Stainless finally gave back............
Sorry to leave so early, but I was driving a borrowed "third party" rental car and when the wind picked up, it was time to return it.................. see you and Nancy as soon as the credit card fraud people are done with me............................... Bob
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Here's your reminder that Nancy and I will be having a Salt Talks II at World of Speed this September. Pretty much the same as the SpeedWeek event, although a bit smaller. It'll be held Wednesday evening, September 14, at the Bend in the Road. See you there, hey?
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How come you lose the H in "hey" when you cross the Northern border? i'am just askin..........?
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We're just softer spoken Bob. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Pete
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It's a good question, Bob, and I can't answer it with definitive absoluteness.
The "hey" apparently originated with the Finns in the UP of Michigan and isn't necessarily related to the "eh" from our brethren to the north of the US of A. I was introduced to "hey" at the end of dang near every sentence, whether interrogative, declarative, or constipative, when I arrived in Hoton, Michigan in the late 60's. The UP has more Finns (or folks of Finnish extraction) than anyplace other than Finland itself, and Finnish is the dominating accent or at least it was when i was at Tech). Putting the "hey" at the end of the sentence is pretty universal up there. Why the Canooks ( :-D) choose to drop the initial aitch is beyond me.
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I think it was how they were taught to spell in grade school,,,,,,,they used the word Canada to teach,,,C, a, N, a, D, a, or so I was told by an old Candadian friend! ("a")
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My best friend in Canada lives in Edmonton and I refer to him as the " f-cking Canook or f-cking Canadian.", except when I need his expertice on the race car. Then he becomes my Canadian Friend".
Maybee I am using him, eh?............................... Bob
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You got the "eh" right Bob! :cheers:
Pete
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Oh, and it gets even more peculiar in Milwaukee.
"Aina', hey?" - which is a contraction of the contraction, "Ain't it, hey?"
A typical "sout sider" of the generation ahead of us youngsters might actually create a sentence worded something like this -
"So he goes down to da Pig and gets a twelver, der, and den he stops by the bubbler, cause you know, you can't drink beer all day, den he tries to park his car over der, where dey go to park da cars side-by-each der, aina' hey?"
It was culture shock moving here from Iowa . . . you betcha babushka . . .
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Now I know the source for the "secret language" if we have another war that needs secure messages.
FREUD
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My deaf son got new hearing aids last week. I put on a Bob Marley CD, he liked it. I put on Paul Simon's Graceland, he liked it. I put on my beloved Honkytonkitis CD from our Beertown friend and, on track three, he pulled his right hearing aid out. LeRoy twanging from the bandstand in the town that made Mel Famey walk us, scares kids, but I'll still be using it for background this year.
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NEW POST dated 7 January 2013:
Boyoboy, the subject line of this thread just became way more correct. This afternoon I was notified that the major sponsor we've had -- Speedway Motors -- is changing its online strategy to concentrate on banner ads on a few key sites -- and landracing.com is not one of those. In other words -- oh, crap -- I am going to have to beg for money again.
First of all I'm going looking pretty aggressively for a replacement major sponsor - and then, if I haven't found one that'll fit -- then I'll start asking you kind folks to help pay the bills until I can find someone to take care of major expenses. For the sake of any potential sponsors I'll keep rates and stuff like that unpublished, and also because I don't need to have other website owners trying to grab something (such as knowledge of rates and income) from us without paying us for it. Remember that I've always tried to keep our sponsors limited to businesses that deal with land speed racing in a solid manner. That's why you've never seen ads for, say, a nice automated condom dryer on landracing.com.
Hang in there. If you really want to send some $$ now -- go ahead, and feel free to use the Paypal buttons on the site, or mail a check to landracing.com (the address is here and there on the site, too). But - there's $$ in the cashbox to keep things going for a while, so don't worry that next time you log in - there'll be nothing into which you can log.
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Jon a/k/a WA8GDW a/k/a SSS
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Wow - a year and a half since I made my most recent plea for funding for the site. Well, not really -- but this topic is well-titled so I'll ask once again. We sure could use a good bushel basket or two of $$to keep things running here during this, the hot season of land speed racing.
After all, with SpeedWeek there'll be lots of stuff going on, and the streaming audio from Wilmington and World of Speed and maybe the Shootout -- all take a healthy dollop of cash to do. Regular expenses don't go on holiday just 'cause we're at the salt - hosting fees and bandwidth and such bills.
Please - use the Paypal button and send in something to help out. Speaking of income -- Bill Reilly (Wheelrdealer) is interested in us running another AN wrench contest. With it being only a month or so from SpeedWeek I don't know if you're interested - bot too much thrashing to do, and even more now that some of you are going to the USFRA T&T in a week and a half. But - the wrench contest was well recieved, if you remember, and did bring in some sorely needed cash. For that matter -- Milwaukee Midget has tried to get Dynothon #2 up and running but we had only middling interest shown. And now that he's working 37 hours a day 12 days a week -- I don't expect to hear much from him in the next few days. So - wrench contest or not? And donations - please. Thanks.
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Jon;
It will help to put a link to PayPay here and say what name to use for a donation.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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Scroll to the top of the page for the donation button. :mrgreen:
Mike
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Thanks, Mike. Maybe I should remind one and all that there are Paypal buttons on every page of the Forum and a few other locations on the site, too. As for what name to use -- click on the PP button and it'll get sent to the site's PP account, and you're welcome to use whatever name you want to tell me who it's from.
And - if you don't use Paypal you're welcome to send your donation via US mail to Landracing.com, 509 Dukes Road, Skandia Michigan 49885. Thanks for the hint and the help, Neil and Mike.
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Jon;
I didn't know who was getting the contribution if the "Donate" button was clicked. Now I do but it might help if it was clear who they were donating to. My name question is now moot. I wondered what name or e-mail you wanted contributors to use to donate money to you. That "Donate" button is already programmed to send it to you. Not everyone knows how this works-- this is why I asked. You do a great job and deserve to be supported.
The next time I call Speedway Motors to order something I'll suggest they re-think the LSR website support.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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Well, well -- some of you have come out of the woodwork and donated to keep this site up and running. Instead of my usual responding via the return address on the Paypal statements I'll list those that have arrived here - both to let them know that their support has arrived, but also to let them publicly bask in the sunshiny aura by being some of them that actively supported the site with $$. Thanks. :cheers: :cheers: :-D :cheers:
Thanks to Bill Huff, Gary Perkinson, Fred Vance, John Hanson, Neil Albaugh, David Hosley, Phillip Landry, George LeCavalier, Jim Dincau, Skip Pipes, and - one whose name doesn't ring a bell - H & H Structural Contracting. H&H's donation arrived via a check today, which, most obviously, is a fine alternate way to support the site. That is -- you don't have to use Paypal if you don't care to. Send checks, money orders, and what have you to landracing.com, 509 Dukes Road, Skandia Michigan 49885.
Further donations will be welcome and important. For instance -- we'll have live audio from Wilmington next weekend, and we're going to experiment with video, too. We have no real idea of how we'll do it - where to put a camera/some cameras, for instance. Putting them by the microphone at the timing tower means all we need to do it hook the camera's cable to the console. If we want a camera at the line -- we'll have to either put the console down there or figure out how to get the video that mile from start to timing. And there's a good-sized cost to stream audio - $100 for one month - can't buy it for only a few days. Add video and now it's $200 for the month. Milwaukee Midget and Gregg Adams have been doing most of the hard stuff including getting the hardware together and setting it up at the race track - so thank them. We're planning on streaming from World of Speed and maybe even the Shootout - and this "practice" will be invaluable for those shows. And that, friends, is just one reason we need donations to keep things going. If you know of a company that has a budget that would allow some spending to advertise on this website -- please steer them to me or send me the name of the company or better yet, the name of the person at that company to whom I'll send a solicitation.
Whew. Thanks to all. Back to Prairie Home Companion for me. :-D :-D
I added Jim Dincau - whose donation just now showed up. Thanks, Jim.