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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: Glen on March 05, 2009, 06:52:08 PM
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The new rule book is out and has updates and changes. The team of volunteers that got it out in a timely manner deserve a big thank you and good job.
As there are several changes please review it to assure your build or present vehicle is current. Some rewording was done to clarify and define the rule. There is still time to question anything regarding the rules on the SCTA web site.
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So - is this the date we should use to start the countdown for the tubes, the rulebooks, the buttons and badges and posters?
Is this when folks will start being cranky because the tube broke open at the post office and the mailroom now has a nice poster and all the racer got was a "this package damaged in shipping" sticker?
We all look forward to the new rulebook - and everything else for the 2009 season. Hoo-boy, it's getting closer by the day.
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Any idea when I can expect to get my rulebook?
In the mean time, can anyone help me with a couple things as my project is going WOT and I need to start planning ahead for parts.
1. I want to run a 1975 Chevy Monza with a gas turbocharged 350ci V8 geared to go 200mph. I am building my own aero devices on the nose, sides and tail. What class should I be running?
2. Can I use a plain plastic fuel cell like Summit sells?
3. What fuel line materials can I use? Braided stainless over rubber?
4. Tubing thickness: 1 5/8 DOM at .120" ???
5. Drag racing frontrunners on all 4 corners?
6. Home-built wheels from space saver spare rims?
Thanks guys! I have finally dealt with the rust on the floor pans and I'm ready to move on into the fun stuff!!!
-Chuck
Portland, OR
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I got my rulebook today (3/10).
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Received mine (and a stylish shirt)Fri. 3-6. J.B.
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I received mine along with an autographed photo of Frued on the scoot with no clothes, a 50th anniversery T-shirt, 25 pit passes and a $100 bill. I guess I'm special huh!
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Richard,there will always be multiple answers to your question, "I guess I'm special, UH?"
First, don't argue with your wife when she states her opinion.
If Ed offers an evaluation........start drinking early that day and let him chatter until he falls asleep.
Ask some worker, that does not speak English, to tell you what Ed said.
Your parole officer has his own opinion but you will never get him to express it.
If you want my opinion, bring the money and I'll tell you whatever you want to hear.
If you build a new car, I'd suggest that it not be a lakester. Seth, Tanis, Jeannie, Lee and ED all want more records.
That's a tough tribe to invade.
FREUD
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I have a picture of the rulebook however have not received any yet... :roll:
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John, Richard lives in a world of illusions.
Send him a picture of the rule book and he will be armed and dangerous.
I should explain that statement ...he is only dangerous to himself and ED.........I mean Tonto.
FREUD
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I have a picture of the rulebook however have not received any yet... :roll:
Ask your buddy Jim to send you one...
I guess I'm special huh!
Just like all the short bus riders... :roll: But we digress....
No Book here either, guess the tubes are not ready
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Now I know how other racers feel, we am building another bike and race in a little over a month and still no book to peruse..at least I took the picture on the cover and will make millions in royalties.. :wink:
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"...will make millions in royalties..."
Millions of what, John?
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Us Road Runners get them at our club meetings -- whas wi' you guys?
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The High Desert Racers were given their 2009 rule book at the March meeting. Some guys who couldn't make the meeting had a friend pickup for them........ I guess it would behoove SCTA Club members to attend at least the March club meeting or have a friend there to represent them.. Whoa what a concept!!!!!!
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There has to be a box or two of books for the SDRC somewhere in San Diego by now. I can't believe that you don't know the changes. Changes were posted on the Internet, sent to clubs and changes to the changes discussed at board/reps meetings and sent to clubs. Maybe you should become a little more social John.
DW
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Maybe Misses Derwin is hiding it from him :evil:
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How can you left coast guys not have yours, and mine made it to Bland Rapids 2weeks ago??(You should have ordrered the shirt, I guess) :cheers: J.B.
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I don't have on am not worrying about it. At the El Mirage duty party in April they will handed out if you don't go to any of the regular meetings. Joining BNI for the $70.00 helps too.
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There has to be a box or two of books for the SDRC somewhere in San Diego by now. I can't believe that you don't know the changes. Changes were posted on the Internet, sent to clubs and changes to the changes discussed at board/reps meetings and sent to clubs. Maybe you should become a little more social John.
DW
Dan,
I am social to who I want to be social with... :wink: I know we will get our book at the Duty drawing next month.. :cheers:
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as the points winners you guys down south have to wait :-P
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As the official Photo-taker the last 2 years for the cover I would just like to see "my work" :-D
Next year if we can 3-peat I have a better idea for a cover shot....might have to get Freud to come on down...and no..it will not have any semi naked men in the picture..it would look better in color however...not the naked men part..
I wonder how much more it would cost to print the covers in color?
John
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I'm a member of 2 SCTA-BNI Clubs, and the BNI. Still no rulebook. I have my ECTA rulebook....
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Mike
The roads only lead out of Ohio, Not sure what the US Postal service does in that case.
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ROFLPIMP I'm just hoping to aviod turning around in Nebrasks again... That's why I'm coming to Speedweek....I'll have my rulebook in plenty of time, more than one for sure.... I'm just a little too close to the logistics, I'lll likely have 2 rulebooks by the time I get back from my latest business trip....and Yes, Columbus, Ohio is within reach of 67% of the population of the USA in 24 Hours via truck, it comes in by rail, and goes out by truck....
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I'm a member of 2 SCTA-BNI Clubs, and the BNI. Still no rulebook. I have my ECTA rulebook....
Don't feel bad. I haven't seen mine here in Illinois yet either. :cry:
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I understand the tubes are being prepared to be on their way.
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Ditto for Montana! I'd like to get mine pretty soon as it takes a while to find an interpreter from Left Coast CalSpanEnglish to MontanAmerican. Doug
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thats Spanglish willie buchta
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Ditto for Montana! I'd like to get mine pretty soon as it takes a while to find an interpreter from Left Coast CalSpanEnglish to MontanAmerican. Doug
Buick, not to worry, we will help with the left coast to Montana interpretation... some of us are bi-lingual although not from anything but necessity :-D
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"As the official Photo-taker the last 2 years for the cover I would just like to see "my work"
John,
In your post #7 you wrote that you have a picture of the rule book courtsey of our late friend BA57 or whoever he was on a given day.
Look at it again to see your handiwork.
DW
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It must be a conspiracy that John didn't get a rule book and just about everyone else did.
Joe
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Got one today...nice!!
Love the Black cover... :cheers:
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still no rule book... :?
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I saw a few typo's in the new book while looking at records.."bookscar"... :roll:
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I saw a few typo's in the new book while looking at records.."bookscar"... :roll:
They were all spelled right last book, only one number changed a little... :| I'll look when my book arrives, probably just an ink blur...
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Has any one from the Sidewinder Car Club received their rule book in the mail yet?
Tom G.
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I havent, hopeing top soon :-(
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How about SDRC?
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How about SDRC?
Fred,
When you come to the Duty drawing next month you can pick it up... :wink:
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Un-wrapped my stylish shirt today (I`m slow)........The S.C.T.A. shirt I ordered says "Bonneville Nationals' instead. AAARRGH. :? Jerry
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Got my '09 rulebooks today. :-D
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I betcha them some tired sled dogs! But, they got there!! Hello up nort! Crow
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Could be. :-D
But at least they get to fly home now . :wink:
I work for the regional airline that flies the dogs back to Anchorage from Nome after the Iditarod ends.
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Has any one from the Sidewinder Car Club received their rule book in the mail yet?
Tom G.
Just got my Rulebook in the mail today from the Sidewinders.
Tom G.
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The tube made it to San Antonio today... :cheers:
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Yep I got my tube today, but no rule book in it. :cry:
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Me to. The books are coming soon I am told
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Yep I got my tube today, but no rule book in it. :cry:
Same here. I thought it was odd to get the tube before a rule book. Also seems odd that a member in Alaska got a book before Nor-Cal :?
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Bob Clancy is out riding his trials bike (or something), and I'm not good at putting notices on the front page of the site -- but here's something I was asked to put up. It concerns helmets for both cars and motorcycle streamliners.
"Racers please note the following correction to the 2009 SCTA Rulebook:
Section 3-A2, page 23, last sentence SHOULD READ:
Snell Foundation 2005 (or later) Certification will be required on all helmets beginning January 1, 2011. Also - from that date on all enclosed-cockpit vehicles - car and motorcycle streamliners - will require SA-rated helmets."
This clarifications comes to us from Roy Creel via Dan Warner.
Please note (my addition here) that the Snell Foundation sticker is placed deep inside the helmet, under the lining -- usually on the padding that lines the outer shell. A Snell mention or sticker on the OUTSIDE of the helmet is not verification -- the inspectors need to see it, in the form that Snell uses, on the INSIDE of the helmet.
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I went from one book to four books and will have more soon...
One for the truck, one for the trailer, one for the office, one for the "other office" etc...
1 or 2 to loan out and never see again.. :wink:
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Still waiting for mine :-(
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I know you guys have been losing sleep over this, So I contacted Penny and she is sending me the shirt I ordered AND letting me keep the other one. ( This may be my new scam)!! Jerry :wink:
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I just ordered mine, we'll see how fast the Pony Express is.
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It concerns helmets for both cars and motorcycle streamliners.
"Racers please note the following correction to the 2009 SCTA Rulebook:
Section 3-A2, page 23, last sentence SHOULD READ:
Snell Foundation 2005 (or later) Certification will be required on all helmets beginning January 1, 2011. Also - from that date on all enclosed-cockpit vehicles - car and motorcycle streamliners - will require SA-rated helmets."
This clarifications comes to us from Roy Creel via Dan Warner.
Please note (my addition here) that the Snell Foundation sticker is placed deep inside the helmet, under the lining -- usually on the padding that lines the outer shell. A Snell mention or sticker on the OUTSIDE of the helmet is not verification -- the inspectors need to see it, in the form that Snell uses, on the INSIDE of the helmet.
I don't have my book or tube yet (Kansas) but does this mean we can still use our M helmet in the car until that time? I looked at the scta site and didn't see any info.
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scta-bni.org click on rules changes/questions click on 2009 rules update willie buchta
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3.A.2 Driver’s Helmet:
All drivers/riders shall wear a full-face helmet with face shield. A Snell Foundation tag reading SA2000 or M2000 or later is required. No
open face helmets will be allowed. Helmets will be visually inspected at least once each year. Helmets shall be undamaged and in
serviceable condition. Eyeglasses worn under the helmet shall be shatterproof. Snell Foundation 2005 certification will be
required on all helmets beginning in Jan. 1, 2011. Manufacture date not to exceed 5 years. Snell Foundation 2005 (or later) Certification will be required on all helmets beginning January 1, 2011. Also - from that date on all enclosed-cockpit vehicles - car and motorcycle streamliners - will require SA-rated helmets."
Seems repetitive... When you replace the last sentence... was the book just like the website? That was the part that seemed a little off...
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Here is what 2009 Rule Book says:
Snell Foundation 2005 certification will be required on all helmets beginning in Jan. 1, 2011. Manufacture date not to exceed 5 years. Snell Foundation 2005 (or later) Certification will be required on all helmets beginning January 1, 2011. All enclosed-cockpit vehicles - car and motorcycle streamliners - will require SA-rated helmets."
This is what it should say from what I understand:
Snell Foundation 2005 certification will be required on all helmets beginning in Jan. 1, 2011. Manufacture date not to exceed 5 years. Snell Foundation 2005 (or later) Certification will be required on all helmets beginning January 1, 2011. Also - from that date on all enclosed-cockpit vehicles - car and motorcycle streamliners - will require SA-rated helmets."
Tom G.
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For what it's worth (from the guy from Alaska) the 4 books I got, I special ordered, neither my, nor my father's books have shown up that supposedly come with the membership re-up.
I too got one for each 'room' and a spare or two to 'loan out'. :-D Or I will have when the other two show up.
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I understand that the Rule Books are being sent separately, as when they were put in the tube they kicked the postage prohibitively high.
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I finally got mine in yesterdays mail. :cheers:
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I've received one rulebook so far. That's the one that I get (I guess) for being one of the advertisers in the new book. Then I'll get two (from mine and Nancy's individual memberships) more.
The first thing I do when I get a rulebook is to write the team name (Seldom Seen Slim) on the front, in the book, on the back, and especially on the top and side edges of the pages. It's not that I'm worried about thieves, but rather that the books have been known to walk away when they're borrowed, whether in the pit or when I'm inspecting. I suggest that you register your claim on your books, too. Sharpie or magic marker works well.
Back to the tubes -- due to the Office using our old address we don't have anything yet -- except the single rule book. That's as of this morning's (Saturday, 11 April) mail. Soon, sooooooon...
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Thanks Tom, that answers my question that our new M2005 helmet for the car last year is good for 2 more years.
Has anyone located the date stamp in a helmet yet? I am searching and can't find one. Thanks for the help understanding the changes to the updates.
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Stainless -- and anyone else that looks for the date:
First of all, I don't know if all helmets have a "manufacture" date stamped anywhere. A few brands do -- I haven't seen it in very many.
If you're asking about the Snell Foundation sticker, look carefully under the lining of the helmet. You might end up having to pull some of the lining away from the padding, and that lining might be glued to the padding. The sticker is about 3/4 inch by 2 1/2 or so, and is printed on a reflective foil (that'll be damaged if you try to remove it). The numbers (i.e. M95, M2000, SA2005, etc) are often hard to see because of the reflective background and the faint ink used to print those numbers -- but they're there. It's very common for us to hear, when we're inspecting the helmet, a racer say "I've never seen those numbers before this."
Dig deep. They're not even placed in the same relative location from one manufacturer to the next. On some helmets they're found at the back of the head, some by the right cheek, and so on. But if it's Snell Foundation rated -- there WILL be a sticker in there.
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SSS,
Finding the Snell sticker is easy.... never had a problem there, it is always inside under the lining or cushions.
I guess printing a label with a manufacturing date won't be that hard these days with computers... anybody know what one looks like. :evil:
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In my helmet inspections I have seen very few actual date stamps. The stickers are for 5 years and the latest is 2005. So one would think the next would be 2010. Don't know about the 2011? So, a helmet bought new for this season will have a 2005 sticker and be good for this year only, maybe!?
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The stickers are dated in five-year increments, so you'll find M95, M2000, M2005, and next year -- M2010. Unless Snell Foundation changes the way they do their work -- the following one will be an M2015. SCTA allows helmets up to nine years old -- so this year will be the last for mine with an M2000 sticker inside.
I have seen a date of manufacture sticker in a Suomy (foreign made) helmet, but otherwise I haven't seen any -- I think.
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Box in the mail yesterday.............Another "Bonneville Nationals" shirt and no SCTA shirt....(sigh) :?
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What SSS said- ten years- sorry! I don't have my 2009 rule book yet. SS
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TSteve, if the rule is as posted, your new Snell 2005 could have been manufactured in 2005 and will be illegal to use after Jan 2011. Check ebay, someone might be selling helmet date stickers by then... or maybe the rule makers will see the error of their ways... and think up something else....
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relax folks----after the rules updates were posted the rule was changed your helmet is good for 10 years so after jan 1 2011 you will need a 2005 because your 2000 will be outdated but your 2005 will be good until 2015 ---unless they change the rule again---it will all be clear when you get the new rule book willie buchta
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Clear as mud, but when I get my book, as usual we will comply with the rules that pertain to us
Reminder to BNI rulemakers, changes should come to racers the Straight Away News... before the races is always good :roll:
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I think I mentioned before that in 1966 we got the '67 rule book (same book with a new page stapled in) before leaving the salt. But there were no records in it and better yet no bikes.
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I got my SCTA tube yesterday, with a poster, button, patch, and sticker, but no rulebook. Does the rulebook come separately? Thanks, Dean
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Here's a picture of the page in the 2009 rulebook. The area in red is the rule update that's posted on the SCTA website. Sorry about my bad handwriting.
Willie Buchta
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I think I mentioned before that in 1966 we got the '67 rule book (same book with a new page stapled in) before leaving the salt. But there were no records in it and better yet no bikes.
Bike Racist... :roll:
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Well said, John N.......considering M/C's pay a very large % into the SCTA/BNI budget...........
PS. SO what are they doing (I ask again) about "off shore" entrees on helmets with no Snell Stickers??????
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I think I mentioned before that in 1966 we got the '67 rule book (same book with a new page stapled in) before leaving the salt. But there were no records in it and better yet no bikes.
Same fees, same tech, same wait in line and we don't need four wheels to keep us upright.
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"I think I mentioned before that in 1966 we got the '67 rule book (same book with a new page stapled in) before leaving the salt. But there were no records in it and better yet no bikes."
Wow! Knowing the large amount of 2 wheeled racers that regularly post here, I believe that that may have been a cry for attention...LOL Too easy :)
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I understand that the Rule Books are being sent separately, as when they were put in the tube they kicked the postage prohibitively high.
Sounds reasonable.
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My rulebook made it into the tube, just lucky I guess.
As for helmets After I erred once back in the 80's and bought a helmet good for only 5 years. I now buy a new helmet every 10 years making sure it's one year after the new Snell sticker. ie: 2006, 2011 etc. I do not buy from dealers who do not have the sticker I want. There will be a lot of helmets selling cheaper with the 2005 sticker in them in 2010 or 2011 and they will only be good for 5years or less with the SCTA. It's your choice. My helmets see very little use and are kept in the bag in the original box for their lifetime. Good Luck
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I understand that the Rule Books are being sent separately, as when they were put in the tube they kicked the postage prohibitively high.
Sounds reasonable.
As a point of interest....what is the postage on the envelope for 1 when just the rule book is sent out?
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I think I mentioned before that in 1966 we got the '67 rule book (same book with a new page stapled in) before leaving the salt. But there were no records in it and better yet no bikes.
Bike Racist... :roll:
Bikers aren't a race so I don't think you can go with racist. But I do believe you have a legitmate argument for discrimination towards the mentally handicapped. :-D
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:-o Hey John, you know Willie is not a "bike" racist! He's a bike wizard, fanatic, magician and all the other good things that go with aimin your head towards the wind on two wheels. That makes somebody a lunitic doesn't it?? Crow
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Still no rule book... :x
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its ok crow---- just another shot by one of those car guys----what they dont see is that every year there are more motorcycles and less cars--this year at el mirage in the top 25 there were 12 motorcycles--in 09 there will be more---like the dinosaur they to will one day be extinct just some thouhgts willie buchta
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As a point of interest....what is the postage on the envelope for 1 when just the rule book is sent out?
$2.36 US was on the envelope I received.
Tom G.
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Just some other thoughts . . .
Love them open records!
And the ease of preparing a bike, compared to a car, for LSR.
Stan Back
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About helmets: First of all, if you've got a foreign helmet with no Snell Foundation sticker -- show the inspectors what you have and let them decide if the helmet is good enough. Some imports (such as Suomy) may well be fine, and some will have a sticker from another rating organization. If you can -- go to inspection with some back-up documentation on your helmet. Find the org. that rated it, go to their website and print out some of (or all of) the standards the helmets must meet to get their sticker. That may be enough.
As for buying a new helmet when the old one is too old (for the sticker) -- make absolutely sure that the new one has the new sticker in it. My story is that I wanted a new helmet for Nancy a few years back. I decided on what model of what brand, then went to the Snell Foundation website to be sure the helmet was included. Sure enough -- so I went to one of the onlline helmet stores and ordered one.
Well- what I got was one of the OLD helmets with the OLD sticker. The new ones were in stock -- but the store said they wanted to clear old inventory first. They would not give me return privileges (old for new). So -- now I mention that I will accept only a helmet with the new sticker inside. I suggest that you consider doing something along those lines if you're buying a helmet from a vendor that doesn't have a real store for you to visit -- so you could inspect the helmet.
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It would be a lot easier if the following was printed in the rule book regarding helmet cert.
USA: Snell M2005, M2010 or DOT FMVSS 218
Europe: Regulation ECE 22-04, ECE 22-05P
UK: BSI 6658 Type A
Japan: JIS T 8133:2000
or any of the FIM SFI approved certification
helmets.
Most of the above are equal or exceed Snell
standarts..................................................................
That way there is no quess work....no back-up
documentation.
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Poster and pit pass arrived, no rule book yet...
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Mee too. :-o
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1194
If you want a rule book change use the proper forms found on the SCTA web site, write it up and submit it to them. They won't take any other type of request.
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Glen, thanks for your reply...........................................
I have a thick folder of possible rule changes
that I have send in over the past 30+ years, mostly regarding sidecars...........Well, we all know how far I got with those...........................................
My post was to indicate to SSS that there certainly is a lot easier way to know which helmets are "legal" ............and make the job of the Tech. Inspector a lot easier......all that is required is a little research.
I should, however, point out that with the new M/C Chairman and committee within the SCTA/BNI.....there has been a marked improvement in communication for the "bikers".
At the present time our team has been consentrating our LSR effort at the BUB Trials.....but we are all still BNI members.
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1194, they went to a standard form because requests were coming to them on anything they could write on, phone in or bring up at meetings. I was a board member for several years and the requests including verbal could be lost or third hand and hard to understand at times.
This way there is a filing system to be reviewed during the year for the next rule book. sometimes the SCTA/BNI makes changes during the year due to safety requirements. I do agree that there should be more in the rule book to clarify this issue. Hope to see you at the lakes and salt.
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I recieved my tube last friday and rule book today around seattle wa.
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Okayyyy, mailing tube got here today, with the calendar, membership card and my rulebook (yep, I got 5 of em now :-) ).
Postage on the outside says $8.70.
Pop's still doesn't have his rulebook that's supposed to come with membership, probaly on the way somewhere. FWIW he got his tube - o - goodies in the mail before the rulebooks were out (from what I read here).
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Got my tube also, but no rule book.
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I called the SCTA office, and in some cases the rulebooks are sent separately from the tube.
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I got my book today. Ordered it last Friday. Pretty fast turn around!!
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Received my S.C.T.A. shirt Wed. .......And another rule book with it. For those keeping score that`s (2) rule books (1) SCTA shirt and (2) Bonneville Nationals shirts. All for ordrering (1) rule book and (1) shirt. :cheers:
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good to see they are taking good care of you....
I'd be happy if I got my BNI rulebook... so I know what the final rules say and know what to do... before the pre-entry deadline...
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good to see they are taking good care of you....
I'd be happy if I got my BNI rulebook... so I know what the final rules say and know what to do... before the pre-entry deadline...
Me too. Still no rulebook here in northern Illinois either. :-(
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RSS, I have a few books...send me an address if you still need one, it will be marked with records however.
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RSS, I have a few books...send me an address if you still need one, it will be marked with records however.
Do you need my address too Worlds Fastest :mrgreen:?
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Call me Kaz...
Wait..Kaz call me... :mrgreen:
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Finally got my rule book today. :cheers:
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I got my cardboard tube today. Cool poster but no rulebook. :cry:
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Neener Neener Neener I just got my rule book!!!
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I got my first rulebook a week or two ago -- because we advertise in it. I got another one earlier this week -- I don't know just why, because it was in an envelope with a return address I didn't recognize and had no note or anything with it. Still no tube, still no poster, still no "regular" ration of rulebooks. But I've got two, so it's okay.
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SSS, you get one as a BNI member, and one as a Gear Grinder member. They usually give the inspectors an additional copy at speed week. Sometimes you can find one someone lost.FYI I got my tube one day and two days later the rule book in a plastic wrap.
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Poster and pit pass 10 days ago, still watching the mail for the rule book....
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Rule book finally arrived! Looks like the Bookscar is slowing down in its old age.... :-o :|
Luckily Johnboy is still in the 200 MPH club...