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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: Stainless1 on December 21, 2008, 02:08:12 PM
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Hey guys, I was digging through my shit and found some old Bonneville photos so I started scanning a few of them, I posted a couple in the Thermo King post, then thought we need a thread where folks can post their old pics.
Freud, you should be able to post 1 or 2 a day for the next hundred years :wink:
Here is a starter ... one of the most beautiful cars ever on the salt...
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:-D
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Now you know why we chose that car to make a fine art bronze trophy for the fast car of the meet at World of Speed.
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Here's a shot of the trophy. Jeff Decker personally delivered the first one to Fred.
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One of the treasures
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OK guys, I know you all have some too, here is another streamliner
The only hint I have on this one is huummmmm not boing-boing, OK the second picture gives it away anyway
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Not the oldest pic but an old car
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678 car is Marlo's blown Mazda powered lakester/'liner. I have some pics of it in the motel parking lot as a lakester.
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It's 1963; In the foreground Hammon - McGrath - Whipp next Herda - Knap - Milodon, behind them the Pisano brothers Studebaker and way in the back above the rust colored El Camino the blue 1939 Hollywood Graham of the Scavengers car club of Burbank.
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Dincau.....u done good. So did Rich Fox with his identification.
Treit's car was one of the LOUDEST ever on the Salt. It was like tearing
titanium sheets.
FREUD
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Yanno, Sum Patterson and I (well, he started it...as I always tried to tell ma) are working on a listing of LSR vehicles, indexed by number, with dates, teams, owners, etc. We're also trying to get photos for each entry.
I sent him some stuff earlier in the day to see how we could combine things. We've also mentioned a different web domain for this and I suggested using MySQL on a linux server and keeping the whole thing in a database. I don't know how practical that might be, but it's a thought.
Stainless, would you mind if I either saved the photos to a folder with your name or asked you to send 'em to me? I've got a lot of room on my main computer (not my web server)...like about 2.5 terabytes of disk and I've had an offer from a guy who wants to sell me a computer that he set up for gaming for real cheap. I was considering turning that into a replacement for my current web server with a new server/gateway software package (probably the latest version of ClarkConnect.) This might be a starting point.
Ideas? Thoughts? Flames?
RtR
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Ray,
We have not had good luck with external storage devices. Five bad ones in the past three years. They can't take the heat!
Geo
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The Huummmm was supposed to make it easy
I will look to see if I have it in lakester form as I keep digging.
Ray, I have your email, I can send you the as scanned ones if you like. Or you can use the smaller ones from here instead. Send me a PM and let me know. Some are scanning larger than others and I haven't figured it out since the settings are the same.
Bo, I have pics of Bluebird on the salt, you were not born then I think... :|
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Ray,
We have not had good luck with external storage devices. Five bad ones in the past three years. They can't take the heat!
Geo
I understand the heat thing. That's why I have a large fan blowing on the workstation (where most of the disk drives are) and on the 1 external Firewire drive. That one is only on when I use it to back stuff up.
Thanks,
RtR
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stainless i would really like to see that
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Bo, Here's the first 2 I found... If you want them in a printable size, send me you email address. Same goes for anyone that wants a copy of one I post, send me a PM with the picture(s) you want I'll email them to you. The second one was a record morning for your Grandpa, as I remembered he qualified the car a little over 200. But that kid standing by the car should be able to tell you for sure.
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Here is another of Marlo's hummer, all together ready to run a year later. Different motor.... Unfortunately I don't have dates to go with these but I will guess early to mid eighties.
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lots of cars evolved from one year to the next as folks learned what made them go faster
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Interesting wheel shrouds, hey? So - I didn't note what class this car is -- wouldn't the shrouds move it out of lakester? And -- into what?
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SSS Steamliner for both years, E/F
and another
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bo,
Is that you in those cute red shorts? those do not look 300mph certified to me...LOL
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wow if i looked like that way back in like '84 that would be awesome now.
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One of the many hair does on Vesco's 'liner.
Stainless, does this make me a player?
FREUD
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Ferd, one a day for the next hundred years should get us about a 1/10 of your good LSR shots. I think I have a picture of that one skinned up a little, but I have not scanned it in yet. I do have another family project
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Stainless, I don't remember of a day at Speed Week that it snowed.
What year? Oh ya, maybe before 1963, my first year there.
FREUD
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Freud, AKA Dr. Wiseass, I said they were old, there must have been a little salt dust on the lens of the old Brownie when I shot some of these... yea, salt dust, that's it yea, its salt dust.... sounds better than poor scanning or storage techniques.... :roll:
OK here is one of my all time favorite old style Competition Coupes
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Three streamliners... first person to ID them owes me a beer at Speedweek... :roll: :cheers:
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Stainless,
You have identified the 9990 as the Original Golden Rod, 376 is jack Iliff's streamliner, Vega powered, 250 MPH. That car is now Jim Knapp's Barnyard Bearcat. #1000 looks familiar, but old timers has stalled indentification.
Not many know that #216 as displayed was run by Tom Bryant and is in fact the original Pierson Bros #2 coupe. The car was restored by So Cal for Bruce Meyers and is famous worldwide.
DW
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Damn,
Looked at 1000 again and saw that it was the Bockscar streamliner. I should have known from the number.
Stainless has some history with that number.
DW
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Dan, a couple of hints on the yellow one, 4 years later...
Dang Dan you figured it out before I could get these up
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I probably should have posted the streamliner when it was number 1976, then it would have taken a little longer. It became 1000 in 1979 so we could make our first Speed Limit 1000 T-shirts, the big speed limit sign was still there then. For those that are trying to remember it was rear steer, we took pictures before it ran in '79, that is why it is not scratched with the canopy broken... :roll:
Here's a few more to peruse....
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And an unfinished liner, inspected and did a couple of shakedowns if I remember right. Unfinished new cars were fairly common 30 years ago...
Notice it has a blower, streamliners were allowed to run a blower, without the 2 class penalty, there was not a blown streamliner class...
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Check out the fancy motorhome behind the #71 lakester. That thing should have a thread of its own....
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Check out the fancy motorhome behind the #71 lakester. That thing should have a thread of its own....
All American Classics in Vancouver, Wa has a couple of '50s Lincolns converted to motor homes waaaaay out back. One of them is listed here: http://www.allamericanclassics.com/lincoln.html (http://www.allamericanclassics.com/lincoln.html)
Mike
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The unfinished car is Bob Dalton's liner. Bob bought the turbo 258 Chevy that was in my roadster when I bought it from Al Holaway. It went 307 one way as it's best speed at the same meet the Hoffman-Markley came out the first time. End of that deal. We also ran it once with my 12 port GMC and blew a head gasket. Bob claims he's bringing it back with a Midget motor.
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The belly tank looks like the old Markley Brothers tank that Tony Baron ran.
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The top picture is the ex-Ken Walkey Streamliner/Lakester, borrowed by Keith Young to run his I6 Chevies and GMCs. We reworked the car but were unable to run in '82 and '83 because of rainouts. Roy Creel then bought the car, set a V4 record, got in the club(as pictured). Now run by the Stewart family with V4F engines. Still owned by Roy.
Second picture is the Tony Baron car after he was done with his street roadster. I don't know if the car is in fact the ex-Markley Bros. car. I do know that for some reason the car woud take too much work to become current and Tony built another lakester.
Third picture is of course the late Nolan White.
Fourth picture is the ex-Jerry Kugel, ex-Gordon Hoyt, ex-Glenn Miller modified roadster. Now owned by Keith Young(there is that name again). This is the car that got Gordon his nickname, ask me about that sometime. There is a clue in here as to who actually gave Gordon that name.
Too bad Jack D is no longer here, he would be able to help with all this history. Maybe this thread will drag him back when someone makes a mistake.
DW
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This thread is going to last a long time I hope. It's great. 8-)
Now for the newbies........ Take a good long look at the picture above of the 262 modified roadster that "out house" Gorden is driving. See the salt.... or lack there of? Remember, this is a precious resource. Take care of it and send donations to Save The Salt.
I know this is at El Mirage but a cool shot of "Hollywood" Hoover and the Swain Bros. Modified.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p126/Dynoroom/Bonneville/300-mph-clubber-kenny-hooverSmall.jpg)
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"And once again, the award for Best Hair in Show goes to..."
:-D
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Elvis in da house.
DW
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While we are at it, here's a shot I took some years ago of two folks you all know. One is a 2 Club member and the other is the mother of a 2 Club member but better known for other salt related activities. Any guessers?
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Duane Cole (DCWATERJET Z) 1962
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Mary West
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here are some more
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B&N Highboy
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Markley tank
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Herda liner
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Redhead
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have lots more but ned to scan them, More to come if wanted :?
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Ahh, the friendly Cherokee
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B&N liner 1969
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Herbert - Steen liner
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Keep em coming!! :cheers:
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I guess I should have made Glen work harder on his identification of Mary West. When you go that far back there's not many options.
The Herbert - Steen liner shot is from 1991, one of the first years that car was on the salt.
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Summers
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More Herbert - Steen liner. It's too big to get in one or two shots. Monococque body, uses the Chevrolet big blocks as part of the structure. With sixteen exhaust stacks on each side it was quite the sight to see it run. The car always attracts a big crowd. It had the top time of the meet at World of Speed one year with a 320 MPH plus run.
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On the Herbert Steen liner, you can see the exhaust pipes pointing right in the field of the drivers vision. No wonder Vesco refused to drive again and Clayton had problems. I told Roy to fix that and some other cockpit issues or don't bring it back. He did some nice changes and they eventually ran in the 320+ range on the very last day of the last meet they were at, I don't remember what year it was but believe it was a WOS meet. I haven't seen them or talked to them in a while but at last count, the car was still in Steen's shop in Idaho Falls. That car was always scary to me to watch run.
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B&N Motion1
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The time that Vesco drove it, he told me that he heard something break but he didn't back out of it. What Steen wanted was to know what it would do and so he just decided to stand on it until it quit.
That car had a tremendous quarter mile time on one run. According to Marlo, it's the fastest ever in the quarter.
FREUD
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If I remember correctly that 320 was in the 1/4, shut down before the 3
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I remember one run in what was likely 1993 when we had such bad salt from the mag chloride spill. Clayton got on it and the front of the car was throwing up a bow wave like an ocean liner as it dug through the loose crud in top. That was just flat scary to see. There was speculation on whether he was more afraid of the car or his dad but give him credit, he came back and drove it again. That takes big Bugattis!
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Freud, you are falling way behind on your requirement to post 1 picture a day for the next hundred years... you better get after it... :-D
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WOOPS.........I lost my head and posted in the wrong place.
Well, since I am not delinquent on my dues, I'll post it again.
The explanation is with the original post.
FREUD
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Freud, one down, a million to go.... you're getting behinder.... :roll:
OK, how about a few for the bike fans
Tom Elrods Twin
Z1R TC
The Lightning Bolt, a little skinned up from a little accident, possibly the run in Freuds picture, but continued racing after he changed the tire. I think Marcia raced it with the paint skinned a little
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And a few for my favorite Bike Builder,
his first bike on the salt
Don Angel and Max working on the scooter
side shot, Max is up to 180 inches now
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A few more of the Black Lightning
Anybody recognize the rider? Don Vesco
Towing out on the maiden voyage if I remember right
Thar she goes.... Don almost kept it on course, stop and see Max on the salt for the story or just visit his website (hint, the first liner he brought to the salt is #3)
http://www.vincentstreamliner.com/
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If that was Don's only run, it was an embarrassment.
FREUD
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OK finally had one view, so here are some more. Everyone feel free to post their old pictures on here, my photo skills were limited with the $10 camera I used for years, so you real photo takers jump in with the good stuff. (Ferd, that's your que)
The Barber-Nichols Steamin Demon was after the steam powered record.... FIA, SCTA, AAA, USAC they didn't care who timed it as long as they went faster that the standing record. They did! They may still be the fastest steamer... :-D
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Found these ones
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On one of the BNI record runs the Burklands streamliner ran 322mph in the 2 1/4, on the 450 exit speed run the 2 1/4 was 341mph. Those are normal 1/4 times for this car provided the track has good grip and the car is running well. I'm not sure about the #s but I think Nolan White had some fairly impressive acceleration at the 2 1/4 also.
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Some photos I have from 1989 I think. Markley roadster with small dodge nitro hemi that sounded very BIG. Perris & Eaton roadster when they were running near 300mph.
HF
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And a few for my favorite Bike Builder,
his first bike on the salt
Don Angel and Max working on the scooter
side shot, Max is up to 180 inches now
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have not seen any posts from max in a while.
how is he and the liner doing?
franey
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i'll figure out how to 'post a quote' correctly.
franey
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i'll figure out how to 'post a quote' correctly.
franey
You hit the "quote button 1st then when the page opens you type below the quote. Simple :-)
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I'm way behind in my reading here but if you go back to page 2 and look at the two pictures of the BlueBird, you will see real revolutionary tuning in place. If I remember correctly the car had a two stroke motor with a Mikuni carb. If you blow up the two pictures and compare them you will see the difference between the car sputtering along at 115 mph and then surpassing 150 mph. Rick Vesco came over and told Keith what to do. Anyone spot it? It made the car obsolete because it suddenly was running faster than it was designed for safety-wise.
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I also remember the great fun we had with the Barber-Nichols Steamon Demon. Seems like every time it got up to speed it blew out the windsheild and we had a billion little pieces of glass to pick up before we could run again.
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As I recall they were told to replace the glass with lexon before they brought it back and it has never ran again. BTW, I was helping with the glass pick up like a whole bunch of others, takes a long time. :-o
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i'll figure out how to 'post a quote' correctly.
franey
You hit the "quote button 1st then when the page opens you type below the quote. Simple :-)
did it right earlier this week; this morning was wrong.
franey
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If that was Don's only run, it was an embarrassment.
FREUD
Hey Freud,
Trying to read between the lines here, internet communication being what it is. Are you saying that the owner and builder, which is me, was embarrassed, or the rider, which was Don Vesco was embarrassed? Are you saying that the thousands of LSR machines that didn't perform to their potential on the first time out are an embarrassment to their builders and riders?
Max
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i'll figure out how to 'post a quote' correctly.
franey
You hit the "quote button 1st then when the page opens you type below the quote. Simple :-)
did it right earlier this week; this morning was wrong.
franey
And a few for my favorite Bike Builder,
his first bike on the salt
Don Angel and Max working on the scooter
side shot, Max is up to 180 inches now
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have not seen any posts from max in a while.
how is he and the liner doing?
franey
Hey Franey,
Thanks for asking. I haven't had time to spend on the internet lately, too busy preparing the streamliner for the '09 season. For instance, today I worked on my engines at a friend's machine shop. He has a huge C&C mill which was required, for me to put new oversize idler gear spindles to accept the gears between the two engines. It took about ten hours, but the spindles are in and the back lash of the gears came out perfect. I don't anticipate any problems in '09 in this area. It looks like a gear train out of a Mack Truck.
More later. Stainless came over the other day and said that he was going to bring his camera and take some pictures of the goings on for the 2009 "Visit to Thunderdome". So hang in there; it's coming.
Max
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My reply came out looking like a quote (blue background)????
Max
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Steamon Demon now is in Reno at the National Automobile Museum (Harrahs) been there awhile .
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Max, Freud is very old and never knows what he is going to say :-D
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I'm way behind in my reading here but if you go back to page 2 and look at the two pictures of the BlueBird, you will see real revolutionary tuning in place. If I remember correctly the car had a two stroke motor with a Mikuni carb. If you blow up the two pictures and compare them you will see the difference between the car sputtering along at 115 mph and then surpassing 150 mph. Rick Vesco came over and told Keith what to do. Anyone spot it? It made the car obsolete because it suddenly was running faster than it was designed for safety-wise.
I know what the difference is but i am part of the team so i will wait to say
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............... Stainless came over the other day and said that he was going to bring his camera and take some pictures of the goings on for the 2009 "Visit to Thunderdome". So hang in there; it's coming.
Max
Hey I enjoyed my visit to the shop a couple weeks ago with Stainless in the snow and cold outside and the warmth inside. Thanks for taking the time,
Sum
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On the Bluebird: Air intake. Did it have a flat slide Mikuni?
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I'm way behind in my reading here but if you go back to page 2 and look at the two pictures of the BlueBird, you will see real revolutionary tuning in place. If I remember correctly the car had a two stroke motor with a Mikuni carb. If you blow up the two pictures and compare them you will see the difference between the car sputtering along at 115 mph and then surpassing 150 mph. Rick Vesco came over and told Keith what to do. Anyone spot it? It made the car obsolete because it suddenly was running faster than it was designed for safety-wise.
RT, I think the pics are from different years. they ran a 750 Honda Interceptor motor, same as we had in the yellow lakester. We both suffered from the same problem the first year, needed the stock air box. There were air tubes that were needed with the Diaphragm operated slides. When they went 200 they needed a little more wheelbase and were told they were done. It is a really cool little car.
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My reply came out looking like a quote (blue background)????
Max
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imagine that. same here w/ the quotes. 2 out of 5
came out right for me.
anyway, figured you were in build mode & waiting
for an expansive diary of it.
franey
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Nope sorry you are wrong about the BlueBird. It was 1985 and the pictures were both taken at the same meet. Between photo 1 and 2 the car really perked up. Big difference in speed. No one has seen the difference yet I guess. Bo, you were just a little kid at that time but maybe you remember, or I know Jim knows what went on. This is fun for a little kid like me to be able to stump all you long time B-ville racers. It was also at the same meet that Marlo blew a tire and crashed the Mazda powered lakester and I also went on my head at about 280 mph. Not fun memories except that they are memories and not written in an obit.
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Richard
Are you sure? I see different color-paint scheme, scoop over canopy taped up, different scoop intakes beside driver, different body work to more enclose the wheels and maybe scoops down low by rear wheels in first but not in second picture. Can't tell for sure about the last about scoops. Interesting to say the least. Some small changes sometimes make big differences.
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It was the duct tape over the scoop. There was just too much turbulence. Blocked it off and it ran great. We have tried that a couple of times on our lakester but alas it never helped.
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OK you got me on the pictures not being the same meet. I just looked for the tape on the scoop. The change did occur at the July meet though. It really did perk the car up.
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Freud, one down, a million to go.... you're getting behinder.... :roll:
OK, how about a few for the bike fans
Tom Elrods Twin
Z1R TC
The Lightning Bolt, a little skinned up from a little accident, possibly the run in Freuds picture, but continued racing after he changed the tire. I think Marcia raced it with the paint skinned a little
This was posted awhile back but I was hoping for some more info on who and how fast ran the Z1R TC
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I think Glen has the run logs a ways back, maybe that far back for the Z1R TC I think they had one with a sidecar also, I'll look
Richard, true, they initially just used the bottom of the airbox, that held the carb tops in place, they had too much turbulence with the scoop and blocked it, the car picked up about 30 mph... We were having a similar issue with the lakester. Since we are using 25 year old brain cells here things get mixed... If I remember, they put the stock box back on hooked it up like stock and it really went like stink... Bo, get your dad on here to straighten us out....
In the mean time, I visited Max today and he gave me a few rare photos to scan and post.
The first is the prequel to the photos I posted, Don and Max getting ready for the first run in 1996
The last two are from 2002,
Don Vesco climbing into the Easyrider Bike with a little help from Dave Campos
Don, Dave and Max comparing streamliner notes. Don and Dave both took the Black Lightning for a pass in 2002
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Bikers, I know some of you have old pictures.... let's see 'em
Here are a couple more from me, if they are of yourbike or you know something about 'em speak up
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Some of you might recognize this little car. It is a Fiat Abarth OTR, there were 2 or 3 of them in the US back in 78 or 79. It had a 1 liter pushrod Abarth motor. It was basically a Fiat 850 that was modified by Carlo Abarth for road racing.
Ben Jordan, the guy that got our team racing, imported the car and raced it in GT. After it set the record, it was ruled not a GT car because there was a padded shelf behind the seats that was deemed "suitable for continued adult occupancy" although no one was able to climb onto it. We towed it with the pit bike.... ya that's me on the bike :-o
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After that gratuitous post how about one with a nice mix of stuff
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OK truck lovers, here are a couple to keep you in the game
We have talked about ThermoKing on a thread lately... :cheers:
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Little something for the roadster and old coupe guys
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here's a couple more guys
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Dahya think they were using that rumble seat lid for a spoiler on the Street Roadster?
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Dahya think they were using that rumble seat lid for a spoiler on the Street Roadster?
I think they would need to put it in modified sports for that... :roll:
Here are a few more for ya
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A few more,
The SM that put Jerry and Sylvia in the club is the last one, (Freud) sorry about the quality I think it was snowing that day too... :-D
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X/ALT was flathead??
Mike
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Yep. Now XF/Alt. Look in the Rule Book, especially under El Mirage records, for what I believe is the same car, with a lot of the same ol' records.
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That's what I thought. I've become the 43,873rd person to be tripped up by the exhaust :-D
Mike
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feel free to comment or add pictures of your own, or own up when I post a picture of your car....
If you have info about any of these I post, fill us in. As I remember almost everyone carries a camera at the salt, and takes pictures.
Ok the first 3 are around 1979. The car is a Fiat Abarth Zagato, another Ben Jordan car. I have lots of pictures of this car from 1980, so they are next.
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OK more of our little Abarth Zagato, these from 1980. We hauled the car in the back of the bus. Niice little aluminum bodies sports car. We put the motor from the OTR in it (legal in GT) and took the record from the little green AH Sprite that you see in line with us in the previous post. (No, not the streamliner, that is Fred...)
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OK, I do have a lot of pictures of this little car, and we did set a couple of records with it. The one from 1980 was 120.872 and we gave the wheels to the guy that broke that record 10 years later because he couldn't find any the size he needed. He put another MPH on it and it still stands I believe.
Yea the 2 kids in the 3rd picture are Johnboy and me...
And my favorite streamliner picture, with the pits in the background
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Enough about us, anybody remember the Maverick, aka Danny Boy Apple car. This is your first one isn't it guys?
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Enough about us, anybody remember the Maverick, aka Danny Boy Apple car. This is your first one isn't it guys?
is that a twin turbo sbc w/ a 2 bbl?
franey
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Looks like a double pumper to me.
RtR
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you're right; and i had my glasses on.
franey
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Well...I had mine on, too. I can't make head nor tails of the screen without 'em. :)
RtR
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Let's do a little admin work...
Anyone that wants to share any picture I post to another car board is welcome to do so. If you want a larger version of any picture, send me a PM with your email address and what picture you want. I'm just trying to share some of the history I've collected. Y'all should join in.
Here is a car you will not see too often on or off the salt. I think this is a Ferrari Daytona. Mark, one of the kids that worked for Ben Jordan opened the dealership in Denver. He decided to bring one of the new cars out to run it. Don't remember how it did.
And a couple more, a ford and a Plymouth, or maybe it is a Dodge... :roll:
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The blue car is a Detomaso Pantera, by the chrome bumpers its an early '70's car. Still very rare on the salt
Do you have any pictures from the 71-74 era on the salt? I am looking for a picture of John Helash's Ford SOHC powered mustang.
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Thanks for the correction, I guess I don't know who owns the Pantera, I thought it might be the Ferrari because it was so close to our little Abarth.
I don't have that era, but Johnboy might have it in Ben Jordans old Bonneville pictures or his own from 73 & 74.
Freud, did you take pictures of the Mustang?
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Here are a few old Studes,
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and a few more
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Another 411
then a couple of a truck
and another Pantera (think I got it right this time) :roll:
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I know that Jim Travis has a Pantera but don't recall him ever taking it to the salt. I'm afraid I'm being a bit blonde today so can somebody remind me how to add a pic to a post. I know you click on Additional options and then browse to find the pic you want to add -but then what??
Cheers
Robin
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Hit post
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I believe the 303 Stude is Tom Finn.
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The 219 Stude is Bruce Geisler.
http://www.hotrodmotors.com/ARTICLE45supejob.htm (http://www.hotrodmotors.com/ARTICLE45supejob.htm)
Mike
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Stainless - Any idea if the pic of the 219 Stude was taken the year (1980) it set the D/CBGC record at 209 and change? That's the
one we're going to chase, so it's got some sentimental value.
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Nice sidecar photo, Stainless -- even the pit bike (background, on the left) is a hack. Bob Bakker will be happy that you put up such a photo. So am I. Thanks.
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The #700 Corvette is Jerry Jones and Bob Beaty. Rich is right #303 is Tom Finn it was # 300 Logan and Dincau before that.
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Stainless - Any idea if the pic of the 219 Stude was taken the year (1980) it set the D/CBGC record at 209 and change? That's the
one we're going to chase, so it's got some sentimental value.
Snap, probably, but anyone that knows when the 411 went 258.527, I think they were taken the same year since the camera format is the same.
Here is one from an earlier year, when it ran A/G, that would be during the time period that blown was 2 classes up. The other one has 2 more window stickers so I would guess this one is 78 or 79 and the other is 80.
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The #700 Corvette is Jerry Jones and Bob Beaty. Rich is right #303 is Tom Finn it was # 300 Logan and Dincau before that.
And another Tom Finn project, before or after?
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Stainless,
It's after. He took the quick change out of the Stude to build the Vega.
Jim
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Slim do you have any of the 76 roadster. some other roadsters would be nice too :-D studes = :roll: just kidding I love the old studes.
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You mean Sum, or Stainless, right? I don't have much in the way of old photos -- must be a misspelling of names, that's it, right?
Wind chill temperatures forecast for -10 tonight, down to -35by Thursday night.
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Slim, Sum, Stainless, I fugure it is hard to tell us old guys apart... although I am infinately better looking than the other 2.... :-D
Sorry, didn't scan any roadsters today, but instead of Studybreakers, how about bikes....
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Since I couldn't do a rodster (same as a roadster), how about 2 pictures of a half a rodster.... Nice V8 on 2 wheels...
And a few more,
the Triumph used to be legal.... and there is a roadster in the background :cheers:
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For some reason the Finn and Son Vega didn't hang around for long before being replaced with a Monza. I have some pictures of the Boss 302 powered motorcycle. He told me that he went 160 I think and had to lay down (tuck) on the tank which sucked his jacket into the carburator and shut it off. Rode the thing out there I think.
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Yes, he did ride it out and back home, your memory sounds right on the speed, he didn't crack the long course.
But enough about V8s,
some non V8 stuff
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And some Huuummmmmer pics... was a pretty car
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And back to the V8s, I think... :cheers:
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The pic with Don and Mary West's T/A is cool with the old Moon hauler behind it. Keep 'em coming Stainless. Love this history lesson.......
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Couple of pics.
1. Bud Hare (??) went fast with a 3-cylinder 750 Triumph.
2. The first Honda 750 4 cylinder to ever run the salt (these are all 1969). I believe it went down and got banged up pretty good.
3. Mr. Munroe and his Indian.
4. Me when I had more hair and less waistline, with my DOHC 450 Honda twin.
Sorry about the picture quality...these were taken with an 8mm Yashica Autoron that lasted two years in my pocket, in the field, in 'Nam. It was all I had, at the time, since I got home only 1 month before the event!
Regards, JimL
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For some reason the Finn and Son Vega didn't hang around for long before being replaced with a Monza. I have some pictures of the Boss 302 powered motorcycle. He told me that he went 160 I think and had to lay down (tuck) on the tank which sucked his jacket into the carburator and shut it off. Rode the thing out there I think.
What year was the 302-powered bike on the salt? For that matter any years that can be added about any of these great photos would be real welcome.
RtR
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Interesting looking front end on the Bud Hare bike.
Pete
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Ray.....with regard to the Boss 302 powered bike, it had to be in the mid '70's, because I was working for Holley Carb at the time, headed for the salt, and I stopped at Toole at the NAPA Store, and he was parked out in front (he drove it to Bonneville)....and I asked him where he was headed, and he said to race at Bonneville, which was where I was headed. He had a helmet with a fin on the top and wore leathers with tassles on the arms and legs. Cool bike, and that was before all the V-8's were put in bikes...only other one I ever saw was EJ Potters. Very interesting person, and as I remember he made alot of runs and had a great time, althought they made him clip his tassles on his pants....somethings you never forget, and that was one.
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Stainless,
Love the old Buick. Any idea who it was and about what year? Anybody have any idea how it performed? Thanks for the Pics. Doug
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First, JimL, great pictures give us more.
So far most the stuff I posted should be 78 thru 80, the quality of the pictures from the old 126 camera and my storage techniques is lacking but I hope everyone gets the point. The Bluebird and our early lakester are from 84-86. Threw those in because Bo wanted to see them.
Keep helping guys, I didn't think of making a picture log back then, I was just taking pictures of the things I thought were neat to show my friends. I would have lost that by now anyway. I think I need to go look in the basement, I should have another box of pictures there, but I'll scan several hundred more before I need to do that.
Here are 2 more, and then I need to scan some more later.... :|
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I believe I took pictures of the Boss 302 Bike in '80 and '81 at USFRA meets. The guy had on a ruffled shirt also. Quite the dude.
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In the post reply #132, the bottom picture, of the Vincent with the red tank wearing number 9A, that's John Ulver. He's been out to the BUB meet the last few years as a spectator for Max's effort, you might recall seeing him riding around on a Royal Enfield. He also is the guy that told me he went down on that bike, wearing a two piece set of leathers, and the top rolled up as he slid along on his back, and that incident was the reason for the rule change to one piece or zippered two piece leathers. He still has that bike.
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The Buick was one of the few "passenger" cars as I remember. Anyone have a picture of the passenger?
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Stainless - Any idea if the pic of the 219 Stude was taken the year (1980) it set the D/CBGC record at 209 and change? That's the
one we're going to chase, so it's got some sentimental value.
I'm pretty sure that is '80. If you look you can see they added a "1" to 219 so Don must have set the record in Gas Coupe then we changed it over to run Alt. Mike Cook drove it and had a wild ride. :-D
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found this
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an old one
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OK guys, a few more from me. I think this is the Lingua Brothers and Father Streamliner. I think they just brought it for inspection and may have made a couple of low speed passes. The motor is a blown Honda 500cc inline 4. Those guys ran nitro and nitrous if I remember it right, they have made some very impressive single passes, seems like in the 250 range, still hold the K/BF streamliner record.
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I know you asked for roadsters but I don't have a lot of roadsters... but here are some :-D
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And a few more roadsters.... :-D
and a coupe. :|
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the burkdolls original paint
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Bo, your dad always does nice work...
How about some odd ones... I think the van ran as a comp coupe, and the other I remember being a Crosley, but not positive on that.
Nice little car
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i want a van like that
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I think the Crosley morphed into the "ARINCEE" roadster.
Mike
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A few more pictures of the Crosley. Later it was turbocharged. I'm told he still has it. The other car was a Chevy "Master" frame with a Chrysler eight. The guy was serious. It was his race car. Also a USFRA meet.
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While all those collective memory cogs are turning, this is the perfect excuse to ask if anybody can date this pic from the Don Fetherson book - Heroes of Hot Rodding. The caption says it's Ak Miller who set a class C record with an early Cobra. It's Ak OK but not a Cobra. Ignoring the nostril intake, the nose shows that it's actually an earlier AC Ace fitted with a 260 motor. I had a bit of a rummage around and found out that AC shipped at least one Ace minus engine to a US buyer some time in the late 50s. Could this be it I wonder. And if it is, is begs the question, did Ak (who knew Shelby for sure) get there before him to create a 'Cobra' or was he inspired by Shelby to drop a Ford motor into an Ace he just happened to have handy?
Robin
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Here's one that's not that old (1996) but shows AJ Foyt with Breedlove for the photo shoot just before the first runs.
Robin
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Hey here we have 2 bikes,
and 2 smart spectators... if you look closely you notice the mountains reflected in the lake, I think we drove through a lot of water to race that year
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A couple more Winged cars... I'm just guessing the first is a Dodge and the second is Lindsley's Plymouth
Then a couple of cars that Cook was involved with
The Burke Avanti and a Flopper
Question guys? Is this the fried Vega that everyone is talking about on the mystery car thread?
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More from 1969
1 Bob Leppan with the 3 cylinder 750 installed
2 750 Triple where two 650s used to live
3 Right after the clutch let go
4 His bike on the trailer
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More bikes (that was my first love, in my youth!)
1 In the bike line, my 450 Honda in front of my Dad's van (seen through the windshield)
2 Another shot in the line. I was running APS-C-500 and A-AG-500 (open record) that year. The bike put 20 mph onto the existing APS record (to 121.102)
3 In 2007 the bike is candy blue (actually painted it that color for the 1969 "Wheelstand Championship" event at Orange County Raceway). That Fall the bike ran a 13.37 quarter mile on Wednesday night, before blowing the right piston on a 13.58 "wheelie run" during Sunday racing.
4 On my 62nd birthday, 2007. Notice I've lowered the bars, fixed the exhuast (in '69 I had them hanging on long straps that cracked and broke easily, and the headers were hoseclamped to the megs). Also put a scrambler front fender on it (strangely, the original long rusted away), and I lost the fairing years ago in Colorado (one of life's mysteries).
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I saw that 7a bike a lot. But don't think I ever saw it off the trailer. Anybody that can tell me something about it?
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Outstanding Pics Jim
Most of mine are coupes, Studes and bikes, they were the most interesting to me...
The comp coupes were usually very interesting and so were the Stude variations
Sometimes they arrived in the same package.... :-D
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Yes, that is the Cook Vega that was lost in the fire.
DW
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Anybody with photos fenderless 39/40 Ford coupes ?
Joe
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Not scanned yet, we will see... anyone else?
How about a mix
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Hi Stainless, I believe the #450 is the #141 Cole,Peterson,schafer Stude. Note Bert Peterson name on front fender. excuse me for forgetting there names but they were from Sacramento.
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from 1963
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jdincau.....Awesome!! A Hollywood Graham for the salt! Those were amazingly small, with the unit body and all....Thanks for the pic!
There has to be a great story behind that one, if anyone knows??
Here's a few more 1969
1. I love this shot of all the people at the line, and the way we dressed back then. Notice the early days of "video" from the back of the pickup, getting ready to push off the roadster (I hope he wound up the mainspring on that movie camera).
2. One of the great Studebakers and a real fast Camaro that spun a couple times. We'd watch him head up the course, then a few minutes later we'd see a "mirror flashing in the sunlight" which was the reflection off the windshield as he went around in circles.
3. The timing tower and the "air ambulance" (so we were told).
4. In the motel parking lot...me on my Honda Benly 125 pitbike, getting ready to cruise town with some other fellows. We didn't find much exciting, as I recall.
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Jim Dincau,
Kenny Logan's Graham? and Keith Young's '37 Chevy.
DW
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Stanless
Re: page 11, two bikes and two spectors.
Don't remember the streamliner #7a but the silver #48 is my Honda.
I have pictures of our stuff in 6" of water from the end of the road to the pits.
Gary
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Scott Guthrie.
The picture will show what year.
FREUD
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Bike 7A was a friend of Fred Larsen and I think the last name was Camp. His son rode it. They also ran a small displacement solo bike.
FREUD
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Warner Reilly's 200+ MPH Harley 1975
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More of Warner
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The front end of Vesco's bike liner. Pay attention to the Snap On tool to tighten the nut.
FREUD
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Close Dan, actually the "Scavengers car club of Burbank" Graham entered by Jim and Mike Dincau and Ken Logan. Spot on about Kieth's Chevy
Jim
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Is there any more pictures of the Burkland 411 Datsun c/coupe? Can anyone tell me how fast is was and what records it held. Thanks
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The Burklands set the B/BFCC record in 1985 @ 294.868. Don't recall fastest speed.
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I came across this tonight. http://www.oiccam.com/reno/car_museum/racecars/1973_battery_box.shtml Wow 174 MPH on a 25 HP motor!!!
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how is the best way to digitize old slides?
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Either with a Nikon Coolscan film scanner ($400 to $1000) or a 1:1 lens on a digital camera with a copy stand.
Or take them to Costco Photo department and they cost about 50 cents each and they put them on a CD for you.
FREUD
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To sorta hijack (okay, a little detour) the thread:
Freud, there are lots of less-expensive scanners out there for slides. Have you got suggestions about one that won't cost as much as the Nikon? There's no CostCo within hundreds of miles of me so I'd like to get my own scanner. But not at Nikon prices. . .
We now return you to Old Bonneville Pictures.
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Reaction Dynamics (Dick Keller, Pete Farnsworth etc) Honda Hawk bike liner.
Robin
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Freud,
HP makes some scanners wit adaptyers to back light the slides. Go to the HP web site and check.
http://www.hp.com/#Product
Jim
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Wow I need to look at the screen before I press post.
wit = with and you can remove the y from adapters.
Here is a 2 1/4 sq. slide of our old graham that I scanned on a low end HP scanner.
Jim
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I have had good luck with an Epson V100 Scanner. It was only about $90 but can copy four 35mm slides at a time and then put the in Jpeg format. Takes a little time to do large quantities of pictures but the photo quality is great.
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Jim, side note the modify button allows you to clean up your mistypes.
I will be scanning more when the weather gets bad again, thanks all for filling in, and keep up the good work.
Freud, great pics, but it appears you are way behind on the requirement I levied on you... at your current rate it will take you 580 years to to fulfill your 1 picture a day for the next 100 years :-D See you at the reunion.
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Here are couple of photos of my heroes I think Jon was twelve when this was taken. LOL
(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7594/shortscardwellphotos084sg2.jpg)
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6258/shortscardwellphotos074ti3.jpg)
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I can't argue that there are cheaper scanners than a Nikon.
Buy whatever satisfies your standards.
FREUD
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Some where I think I have a picture of the Texas Cigar shell in the rafters of the Mangum airport taken about '77 or '78.
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Freud, I askedthe local photo shop guyy-- who makes a living doing enlargements of historical photos, etc --and he uses his Epson 3270-- says that while it'll scan to 3200 dpi -- that 300 is good enough for most of his customers. I've got an older 3170 -- will gie it a try one of these days.
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Burke,Cook,Inkman vega
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This and the pump station's thread are way kool.
Thanks to all the contributors... big smiles seeing all this. :-D
Todd
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ivsalt, thanks for that pic. That was the original veaga funny car that dad and bill Burke, and my grandpa ran that was a car built by mike cook, doug cook, mel chastain, and others great pic and nice to see thank you
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Not really OLD FOTOS but enjoyable images of a denmad fast car.
Gas Up 2006
He was rejected for Goodguys ...... no windshield wipers.
FREUD
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That is one very impressive car. 333 and didn't even run the full 5 miles. That is awesome!!!
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That is one very impressive car. 333 and didn't even run the full 5 miles. That is awesome!!!
I remember being in line at ElMo and his car is pushed up behind me..I look over and the car is still fitted with working power windows. :cheers:
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Buddy Martinez, the second man to exceed 200 MPH on an open bike and one of his Eyeball engineering masterpieces. The only problem was that it spit him off. This was 1975.
FREUD
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Jim Lindsleys "bird. His granddaughter, Larry's daughter, licensed and drove this car. She also wrenched it.
It's a racing family.
Stainless, do you remember her name?
FREUD
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When Lindsey and Leggitt ran the 333 a couple of years ago, I was at the starting line when they fired it up, pretty easy to tell that it had a pretty good load of "soda pop" in it and I asked one of the crew what the percentage was and he responded wiht 72%. Which probably explains why they only ran to the 3 mile. Still one of the most awesome cars I have ever seen run.
Rex
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Her name is Patty
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I think this is from 1985.
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Great shot of Buddy in the pits with his bike -- and a proper wrench! Note, of course, the ominous-looking puddle of black stuff under the rear tire. We see once again why the "tarps under the vehicles" rule was enacted.
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I believe now in parrallel universes, 'cause I've posted this reply twice before -so I thot.
Slim, ya gotta forgive Buddy for the oil slick - it was a Harley.
Freud, thanks for the pictures of Buddy. Consensus on the bike unloading might have been from the quick and dirty bodywork by Doug Kruse filling up with air and like a kite, flying the fromt end.
Yrs truly was at the announcing stand waiting for a time when Flanders, in his typical nonplussed attitude asked the far end "You mean he's down cousre, or just Down?" or words to that effect.
That event is how and why the picture posted sometime back and hopefully now again came about.
I was there with the Eyeball Swift streamliner which I drafted the frame and put in a few hours on but we never met.
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BIKE EXTREMES --pls Identify
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LINER extremes
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They both are beautiful!
Geo
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Frued, was Leo Payne was the first in '69?
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They both are beautiful!
Geo
x2!
Mike
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Leo was the first with a RECORD above 200 but Don Sliger was the first with the Royal Enfields. Buddy was next in line behind him on the twin Triumphs and Buddy was faster than Don.
You know what? I may not be correct with the above statement. There just aren't too many people that we can ask.
But Leo did the two way in 1969. That was the year of the three Harleys, Leo, Cook Neilsen and Warner Riley. In the CYCLE MAGAZINE story about Leo that was written by Cook Neilsen, Cook stated "Leo blitzed home at over 201 and became the first nonstreamliner in the history of the world to go over 200 MPH." And I have always believed that Sliger was the first, I just didn't know which year. I think Denis Manning may know if he is done hibernating for this winter.
I'll do what I can to get the correct data. Give me a day or two.We can't ask Buddy. I think he died in a skydiving accident.
Leo's restored bike.
FREUD
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You know better then I Freud Daddy, and if not you know those that do. But I thought Don Sliger did it naked on the gear drive dual motor in 1970 at 203 one way (record around 193 or 194 - I have an exact number at the shop). While Leo did it faired that week in 1969 with Cook, Warner and of course Carl. Cool thing is Cook, Warner and Carl are all still accessible should someone really want to know.
Todd
PS: have I told ya how much I love your pics lately... ohh yeah - I did didn't I? ;-)
Here's a pic of Leo's bike Deb or I took in 2000 at the AMA museum in Pickering, still LONG after I started drooling over the one you took 31 years prior that.
(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o244/narider/LSR/LeoPaynesXL.jpg)
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I figured it out. Sliger was the first NAKED bike over 200 MPH.
That had to be the deal because I know Leo did it in 1969.
I am MOST willing to be corrected.
FREUD
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Roadster and Turbo & inj. system off Aks "Sports Car" I think.
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Chauvin's first trip in '69!!!!
Frued, did I pass? :? :-D
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BIKE EXTREMES --pls Identify
i can get close on drivetrain in #4--he's kickstarting a 4 speed pair of
'55-'62 panhead engines.(can't see any oil lines to heads-'63-'65)
franey
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Jim Frederick's Fly Rod Superbird. Jim was a California Border Patrol Agent who did not start racing until he was retired. Jim and Ross Sherburn ran the Bird for most of a decade up through about 1987.
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/Aero426/Bonneville/frederick2.jpg)
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll56/Aero426/Bonneville/flyrodplq.jpg)
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Spark...u done great.
just keep pluggin along. It's sorta like racin. It gets better with experience.
AERO426, that is a marvelous image of the timing tag. GOOD JOB.
I remember one day when there were at least 4 of this 'birds on the salt.
FREUD
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Fuel Pump AK's car?
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These were shot in 1975 and magazines only wanted B/W then.
I have run into a problem getting the downloads to work.
FREUD
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I bet there's a story about the 'Vette having its light on, and up . . .
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AERO426, that is a marvelous image of the timing tag. GOOD JOB.
I remember one day when there were at least 4 of this 'birds on the salt.
FREUD
Thank you. Jim and my dad were friends. Jim sent dad what he called his "spare tag". I think the deal was they had already broken the record again. Anyway, it has a proud spot in my display case.
Somewhere I have VHS of the Fly Rod running. I need to figure out how to get that onto You Tube.
Vern Judy was another guy who raced on the salt. Later the car was painted blue under the name "Winged Warrior". All of the wing cars in those days started out as factory built Superbirds and Daytonas.
(http://www.superbirdclub.com/files/vernjudy.jpg)
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Couple of bikes
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I bet there's a story about the 'Vette having its light on, and up . . .
There probably is and I'll ask Duane the next time I see him.
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BIKE EXTREMES --pls Identify
i can get close on drivetrain in #4--he's kickstarting a 4 speed pair of
'55-'62 panhead engines.(can't see any oil lines to heads-'63-'65)
franey
both motors are probably dual- carbed, since there are none
on the right side of bike.
franey
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I didn't remember 2 dual eng bikes. Can anyone fill in some history or background on any of these picture post?
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Don Sliger twin engine bike and his pit in 1969
Darrel Packards lay down Suzuki in front of a neat tow car.
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I "borrowed" this from eBay several years ago. The print was being sold as Bonneville 1950.
Mike
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Wow, wouldya look at all the airplanes? And - is that third-from-last one a small jet?
Note what looks like a berm of dirt along the left side of the track. Is it dirty salt that was dragged over there, or what? Floating Mountain seems about right, though -- not much change in that part of the scenery.
Nice photo find, Mike.
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Darrel Packards lay down Suzuki in front of a neat tow car.
is that darrel packard or dorel eckhardt?
dorel, former rod rider, had a laydown 100cc suzuki before he started to race a 350cc yamaha.
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I think that one's a Navion. It came as either a single or a twin and used the P-51 flying surfaces shimmed so they'd give much more gentle flying characteristics. A friend of mine had a single with all the shims removed. It was a pretty decent performer.
Pete
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The driver may have been Mike Cook.
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I have somewhere around 500 B & W pictures from the lakes, Bonneville and other venues of racing from 1947 into the early 1950s. These are going to Jim Miller to copy and include in the historical files of the Society of land speed racing Historians and the American Hotrod foundation files.
These photo's are the property of the Gear Grinder club. The LSR photos have many of the sports great pioneers and cars you have only heard a little about. We have tried to ID each photo to include
names, speeds & year etc.
There are also photos from Del Mar, Saugas, Carrol speedway, Santa ana and a couple others. This will take some time to do but down the road they will be available to view on line. When it's done you will need some time to view and enjoy. :-D
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On the Leggitt car it was the 1st open wheel car to go 300 mph.
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Coming from the field of vintage aircraft restoration to salt racing my question - Can one still land on the salt today during any of the speed events? If so, how does one go about it?
To the best of my knowledge, the airplanes front to back are: 2 V-Tail Beech Bonanzas, Piper Cub, Piper Tri-Pacer, Ercoupe, the Navion, Cessna 120/140 and last what looks like a Globe Swift.
Michael
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How does one go about it? Easy, I guess -- flaps down, gear extended, power reduced, slowly descend 'til gear touches ground, then roll out.
Ah - maybe you were asking how does one get permission... That's one I can't help you with. But -- it's done frequently, so there must be some easy route to getting approval - if, indeed, approval is required.
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If that's the Leggitt lakester 300 mph run driver would be Bob Noice.
Saw a couple aircraft last time I was @ Salt - 2007 WF.
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This guy worked at the Airline when I did. Don't remember him saying anything about permission. Not sure I would like my plane on the salt if I had a plane.
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In all the times I have landed on the salt, someone else doing the driving, we have never asked anyone. Just stay out of the way and don't taxi much if the salt is mushy unless u have a new set of brakes at home.
FREUD
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Don Sliger's The Undertaker. This was posted a long time ago.
FREUD
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Hold Em Up
FREUD
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Freud,
That is equipment for a real "water melon smuggler"!!!!
Rex
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Freud,
That is equipment for a real "water melon smuggler"!!!!
Rex
I thought it was set of ear muffs!! :-D
Robin
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It's double barrel sling shot !!! :cheers:
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You mean it's not an adult pacifier supporter. :lol:
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Bviller......you are definitely hooked up.
FREUD
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My shot on the airplanes starting from the far end. A Globe Swift, A 150 Cessna (count the windows) a Ryan Navion, Beech Bonanza. Piper Tri Pacer, This one is tough, Taylorcraft (I don't think it's a Cub)
then 2 more Bonanzas. My dad was a pilot with a machine shop on Hawthorne Ca. Airport thru the 1950's If I'm right I've flown in everyone of the planes in the picture. (Gimme a break not those exact planes) A lucky time to be a kid spending Saturdays on an airplort......................JD
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JD---150s have nose wheels---170 Taylorcraft---I would guess a (PA-12 or Pacer ) TRI-Pacers cliped the wings to offset the added drag of the nose wheel
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Can You top this?
What year was it?
NO, it's not Photoshop.
FREUD
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1980.......
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Tom has dark hair............ 1975?
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AJR192, you are clairvoyant. CORRECT ALSO.
You probably searched all the years to find out when there was a full moon during Speed Week.
Bill Eppridge shot it at the same time as I did and it was in SPorts Illustrated.
FREUD
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Tom was to be the last run of the day and he broke the drive train. So they just pushed off to the side and waited for the tow rig.
FREUD
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I remember that year very well. I always look at when full moon is going to be before leaving for B-ville. I suppose if I were smart enough I could figure when the next one will be.
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This year full moon is August 6th, 8:45 PM Mountain Daylight time.
There would be rooms available for that night so go a few days early and enjoy the foto op.
FREUD
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Shhhh....don't tell everybody, Freud!! Then I have to share Land's End with a whole bunch of people!!! It was supposed to be a secret!! :roll: Geez, some people!! :evil:
Lynda
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Last year we camped at the bend the night of the 15th, full moon,it was spectacular. One of the crew kept waking up and mumbling turn the lights off. :cry:
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Sparky U are right on the 150's got my brain mixed up with the 170's and 172's. Probably a 140 (I thinks it's 4 place) I don't thik it was a Pacer the underside side of the cowl doesn't look like one to me....Fun anyway you look at it..JD
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140 is 2 place 170 fabric no flaps, 170 A fabric little flaps, and 170 B Metal big flaps..---you may be right about the cowl---JD it was fun -----airplanes my first love!!!!! grew out of it into greater insanity RACE CARS!!!!!!!!
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Seems like I am following Sparky's foot steps growing out of the airplanes into race cars = at our house now it's: Honey, I got rid of them fly toys now I need to get me one of them salt speed racers :-D
From my experience - Flaps on the 140 and 170 were a "nice accessory" and most often useless, unless you wanted to take off on a snow covered runway, accelerating to speed , then use the manual lever to set flaps and "pop" it out of the snow.
Looking forward to a lot more historic photos
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Back to Fotos. Iron Sportster.
FREUD
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Talk about POP, I have a lot of time in a 185 towing gliders--I loved those big ole Barn Doors---man those things could almost make you think you were superman , but then landing in a good crosswind removed all of those thoughs :-D !!!!! :cheers:
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Sparky, you must post 2 old photos a day for 3 days as penalty for straying back off of the topic, get the scanner warmed up buddy... :-o
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While we wait for the penalty strokes, it has been cold around here so I got a little scanning done myself.
Who wants to see Competition Coupes? Everyone, :-D that's good
the last 2 are from 2 different years, 79 and 80 are my guesses
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Here's a few more, the Bug Eye set the record in 79, sponsored by the Army Reserve, they came back in 80 with it looking better, and lost the record to Ben Jordan's Abarth Zagato by about 22 MPH. Several funny stories associated with that, but must be told in person.
And a lakester with a wild set up, minor posting problem, I guess the lakester is first
:cheers:
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Stainless, the two photos of the Sorenson-West cars are 80's vintage. After racing a variety of salt cars since 1951, that Firebird was the car that finally put Don West into the 2 Club in 1988 with a speed of 247.467. Don and his son Marty pulled the car out and freshened it up when the Classic category was instigated. Marty ran a record average 260.299 in 2002 and I believe his record still stands. Marty was the starter for several of the first World of Speed events.
The bottom photo is likely the Camaro that Don put upside down at over 240 mph in the early 80's.
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Wester, based on the formats, I think the Camaro is a 79-80 photo and the Firebird is 84-85, they must have like the paint job since they were similar.
Sparky, where are the photos you should be posting... :|
Freud, you are falling way behind my friend.... :-o
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The West paint jobs are similar because Don and Mary's son was the painter. He has done some spectacular paint jobs on custom cars. Don didn't drive the car after he set the record. He built an Austin Healey Sprite with the Oldsmobile Quad 4 motor and a tall roll cage. He turned the Pontiac over to his partner who didn't go nearly as fast. That's Don standing by the car in the Firebird photo. The Camaro could easily be earlier. Don got pretty beat up in the crash of that car and didn't run for a few years. There's also a Monza at his shop that Marty flogged in the 190 mph range for a couple of years making triple the runs of any other car at the meet.
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Stainless, I can account for lack of recent participation . Treit and I attended the SCTA banquet in LA. We were there to see Rocket Rochlitzer get a well deserved WHEELS OF FAME award. It was a surprise to him. Then Monday we went to Jack's Garage in Fountain Valley for our baptism regarding history. That place is a shrine and is open every morning for racing and coffee. Pets are welcome and history and nostalgia hang from every nail in the wall and on top of piles of books and documents that go back to pre-WWII. When the meeting is over the roadsters are returned to their parking spots and it resumes being a locked garage.
Appointments for having work done at Jack's are not available for a long time. The waiting list is so old that the penciled in names at the top of the list have faded and are impossible to read so they have lost their place on the list. The only way to pay your bill is with your wife's Social Security check.
Treit being escorted off the premises by Jack Underwood
FREUD
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When you come to consider it, these 2009 fotos are as close to Old Bonneville as we can get.
I really have no idea how this shrine can have been outside my sphere of enjoyment for so long.
Gas Up introduced me to this group when Jack Underwood and Jim Miller were inducted.
Thank You, Gold Coast Roadsters and the Gas Up voters for putting me in this environment.
It is the religion of the Lakes and Salt racers. The lakes racers were active at least 15 years before
a hot rod ever ran on the salt. It's a history to get acquainted with.
FREUD
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Freud, old pictures of young Bonnevillers or new pictures of old Bonnevillers, its about the same to me....
keep up the good work, see ya soon.
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Let's get another 1975 image.
FREUD
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2 Club car
FREUD
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i know that car!
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If u haven't driven it you have probably played in it in the driveway.
FREUD
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Frank Oddo. Writing about them then and still writing about them now.
FREUD
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For Sabat
A lakester to liner conversion
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Thank you all for the pictures! This is a blast to see. I even enjoy checking out things in the background. Wish I had something to contribute but 02 was my first year. Looking forward to more. Vince
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Fast then and fast to the end.
FREUD
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Not much background between the 4 and the 5 with a 500 mm lens.
FREUD
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For Sabat
A lakester to liner conversion
RIP Dick Miller
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Not much background between the 4 and the 5 with a 500 mm lens.
FREUD
Freud,
today I would need a 800 mm to get a so less background, so far away we have to stay today with the camera...... :cry:
....beautiful shot.....what camera was it.....
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Kodek 127 :-D
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Kodek 127 :-D
Not Stainless.......I asked Freud :-D
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If u haven't driven it you have probably played in it in the driveway.
nope.
but mark drove it.
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Kodek 127 :-D
Not Stainless.......I asked Freud :-D
hey, my Brownie pictures have patina. I have some shots from the 4, the car going by is that little dot ....
here are some comp coupes
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Was the Karmann-Ghia a Benham car like the Ill-Eagle Crosley?
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GREAT STUFF! :cheers:
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While we wait for the penalty strokes, it has been cold around here so I got a little scanning done myself.
Who wants to see Competition Coupes? Everyone, :-D that's good
the last 2 are from 2 different years, 79 and 80 are my guesses
Can anyone offer details on "Okie" Corvair?
Nick 3rd.
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Had a blown Chrysler in it.
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Pork Pie, that was a Nikon F2 with a 500 mm mirror. The 500 was the first long lens that I purchased. It was small as compared to a conventional telephoto and easy to carry but it has the hot spot in the middle of the image because of the "folding mirror" that allowed the lens to be short.
Then I bought a Nikon 400 that was a conventional telephoto. These were both manual focus lenses. I could not use the 400 to do professional basket ball, too long an too hard to follow focus. Then I bought the Internal focus Nikkor f2.8 300 mm. That was OK to use at the basketball games because it was so bright and focusing was effortless. After I bought that lens was when I moved up close to the course and I was even able to shoot sequences if I needed to.
I think the 300 was the most enjoyable long lens I have ever owned. I have an auto focus auto exposure 300 for the Nikon and it is very convenient but it doesn't feel the same to shoot it as did the manual focus, extra low dispersion glass lens.
FREUD
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Here are a few Lakester pictures.
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I love the Carr and Kaplan lakester!!! What a great photo!!!
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Does anybody have any info on the #34 Ghia???
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Ron Benham built, you can tell by the Opel front end. Turbo Pinto engine, I think.
DW
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How fast did it go?
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Sorry, I don't recall - maybe Dyno Room Mike will have that info.
DW
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Freud,
I used 300 mm and 600 mm out of the hand - manuel focus - when I got my old analog stuff.
the 300 was a 2.8 steel body......the 600 a mirror.
I liked the 300 - have to wait to get a 300 for my digital equipment.......but the prize is only for proffesional affordable.....6500 dollars.....but to use them are a dream - just 4 pounds for the 300 2.8.....
The only trouble with the today auto focus lens are - that the manuel focus ring turns too easy - for high speed picture on the long distance you need them "stiff".
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The only trouble with the today auto focus lens are - that the manuel focus ring turns too easy - for high speed picture on the long distance you need them "stiff".
get a little salt on it Porkpie, it will stiffen up...
Probably need the 79 run logs for the Giha, I'm guessing the Crosley is 80.
Here are a couple more to chew on.
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Seth sure got a lot of miles out of that lakester.
DW
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I was just thinking the same thing DW
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And probably only put a dozen or so in the club...
How about a couple more
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Chrisman's Car
Run at B'ville? Sure did. Check the window stickie.
Gas Up 2008
FREUD
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Read some history.
FREUD
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One last look.
FREUD
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Seth's lakester was built by Tim Rochlitzer (Raspberry Rocket) and Ernie Bennett in Santa Barbara.
Rochlitzer was awarded the WHEELS OF FAME award at the SCTA banquet in Long Beach last Saturday night.
FREUD.
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That was a great car, and I know he misses it. It was well built and I believe it saved his life at over 300 MPH.
His new lakester is not bad looking either though. :cheers:
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Seth's lakester was built by Tim Rochlitzer (Raspberry Rocket) and Ernie Bennett in Santa Barbara.
Rochlitzer was awarded the WHEELS OF FAME award at the SCTA banquet in Long Beach last Saturday night.
FREUD.
I believe Gil Ruiz was part owner with Ernie Bennett
JL222
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Freud,
Any more photos of the Chrisman Coupe?
Joe
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Hammon's got a LOT more than miles---bunch of RECORDS & HATS also ---way to go :cheers:
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Sparky, still waiting on more pictures from you... :-o
Come on mister...throw me something.... :-D
:cheers:
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I don't have much more than some already covered---I was a rookie potog---lots of dots on their runs!!
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Seth's lakester was built by Tim Rochlitzer (Raspberry Rocket) and Ernie Bennett in Santa Barbara.
i think tim built the car about the same time he got his first tube bender.
if you'd ever seen the car without the body panels (i understand seth re-built the chassis and probably wasn't built the same) you would know why: instead of straight lengths of tubing between upper and lower tubes it was one long serpentine-bent tube.
being a fan of progressive rock music i really loved the pretentiousness of the design!
tim bent the roll cages in our ranchero, the capri and the iso and bent up some tubing for the redhead.
Rochlitzer was awarded the WHEELS OF FAME award at the SCTA banquet in Long Beach last Saturday night.
how groovy is that?
congrats tim!
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"if you'd ever seen the car without the body panels (i understand seth re-built the chassis and probably wasn't built the same) you would know why: instead of straight lengths of tubing between upper and lower tubes it was one long serpentine-bent tube."
If I remeber correctly Seth HAD to re-build the chassis due to the rule changes. He almost didn't do it and wanted to sell the car at one point, until his son Channing drew up some plans for the chassis. I believe that's the story (at least that's the way Seth tells it). Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Seth sure got a lot of miles out of that lakester.
DW
A take a close look at the car behind Seth's lakester. That #42 has made a few laps down the salt.
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Both pointed down course and towards the starting line. Kidding aside, #42 is another of the famous and successful salt cars. No pre-run bragging from anyone who ran that car. Wheels on the race track and a timing slip says it all.
DW
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You wanted more Chrisman? OK !
FREUD
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Yep, best pass right at 250mph with a turbo small block in that 'ol '68 vette. 8-)
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Freud,
Thank you ... This is one sharp coupe ... Joe
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Anybody know the story behind George Barris making it into a TV car?
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2706.0;attach=1867;image)
Mike
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Sure didn't help its look.
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Not the same car. The Chrissman coupe was sold to a private buyer for a lot of $$$$$$.
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Yes, it is the same car. There was a story in a recent issue of The Rodders Journal.
DW
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Sorry, what a bummer to destroy a piece of LSR history to make it pretty
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I did the fotos of Chrisman's car in September 2008 at Gas Up.
I can't see that the Barris car could be the same one unless it was restored to
the same shape as when it was raced.
FREUD
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I don't have the issue at hand. An extensive rebuild, by Art and Mike?, went to the late Joe Mcpherson's collection.
DW
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OK Guys watch the Bud shootout tonight on fox 8 oclock EST all out racing for a million+ bucks,non points,all out racing.
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OK Guys watch the Bud shootout tonight on fox 8 oclock EST all out racing for a million+ bucks,non points,all out racing.
They don't run the drags at night now do they? Wow, it stopped raining so I'm going to blast over to the Winternationals right now and see if I can get in for that shootout!
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What's this got to do with old Bonneville pictures????
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I'm with Glen
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I'm with Glen
I am with Drag Racing at Night :cheers: any pictures of So-Cal Belly Tank? or the HHR
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What does drag racing have to do with Old Bonneville Pictures?
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What does drag racing have to do with Old Bonneville Pictures?
They don't run the drags at night now do they? Wow, it stopped raining so I'm going to blast over to the Winternationals right now and see if I can get in for that shootout!
Ask Dynoroom
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BA57,
Your BFF posted this:
"OK Guys watch the Bud shootout tonight on fox 8 oclock EST all out racing for a million+ bucks,non points,all out racing."
What the F does that have to do with the thread?
DW
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BA57,
Your BFF posted this:
"OK Guys watch the Bud shootout tonight on fox 8 oclock EST all out racing for a million+ bucks,non points,all out racing."
What the F does that have to do with the thread?
DW
DW
Pap posted in this forum by mistake he did re post it in the Russ Wicks thread
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THROW HIS ASS OUT, please.
SSS, if you will sell me the site I'll do it with pleasure.
FREUD
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The foot is stuck and it won't come out. :cheers: Man this has been a good week. :-D
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Well I finally did it, hit the button on both those guys.
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OK Guys watch the Bud shootout tonight on fox 8 oclock EST all out racing for a million+ bucks,non points,all out racing.
Can't even be accurate about a race/crashfest that only paid $200,000 to the winner?
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Above photo ... the only 200 mph + car you start with a rope.
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"Pap posted in this forum by mistake he did re post it in the Russ Wicks thread"
Are you his caretaker? He can't post that bit of info himself? I already figured that part out.
I watched your precious race by your personal Gods last night. Over an hours delay because the baby Gods couldn't put 3 laps together without hitting each other. Carburators and pushrods, speeds less than 190MPH, less than 10 laps between yellow flags. The best of technology, I'm impressed - count me among the converted, and an ignore button pusher.
DW
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"Pap posted in this forum by mistake he did re post it in the Russ Wicks thread"
Are you his caretaker? He can't post that bit of info himself? I already figured that part out.
I watched your precious race by your personal Gods last night. Over an hours delay because the baby Gods couldn't put 3 laps together without hitting each other. Carburators and pushrods, speeds less than 190MPH, less than 10 laps between yellow flags. The best of technology, I'm impressed - count me among the converted, and an ignore button pusher.
DW
DW
I think you guys need to settle down here, As you look at your post it was directed at me asking why it was posted here. I told you why "END OF STORY" now can we get back to Old Bonneville Photos?
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Let's just hit the "ignore" buttons on these two guys and go back to the original subject. This was one of the truly great threads until it got contaminated. If you get really curious about something you can always push "unignore" and then go back to "ignore" again after your curiosity has been satisfied.
Let's resurrect "Old Bonneville Pictures" and forget the detour this subject has taken.
Pete
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I agree with PJ
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Regarding the Christman coupe Dan was correct on it being turned into a movie car by Geo Barris. That was 1961 and used on the Dobie Gillis show. It was later restored to the original Bronze beauty by Christman and inducted into the Dry Lakes Hall of fame in 2008. The bronze pictures were taken by Freud at the Gas UP.
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Any one have any mechanical photos of the coupe ... engine / chassis / suspension ? ... I have a rugged 31 coupe body that is begging to be a project ... Joe
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Rear engine coupes are no longer allowed. You might research hot rod magazine archives in the 50s on the HRM web site.
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55chevr,
Google Old Crow Speed Shop. Lucky Burton over there is building a street coupe that appears to be a dead on copy of the Chrisman coupe.
DW
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Looks like spitting image of the Chrisman coupe ... They are using a later Ford front windshield and posts ... there is a ton of work in this roof ... Sharp ... Thank you DW ... Joe
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Here's a few more, the Bug Eye set the record in 79, sponsored by the Army Reserve, they came back in 80 with it looking better, and lost the record to Ben Jordan's Abarth Zagato by about 22 MPH.
:cheers:
Anybody remember who put the Bug Eye together? I'd love to talk to them, if they're still around.
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here are some from 1970 at Bonneville ,I think. :?
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trying again.
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Some more from 1970.
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And there's THE Roadster over in front of and past the beautiful Peak Bros.
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And there's THE Roadster over in front of and past the beautiful Peak Bros.
it sure is, ain't it?
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In the background behind the Peek Bros is the 76, Sadd, Teague and Bentley.
In 1972 they set the fuel record at 250.805.
That's a rush.
FREUD
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1970, thats cool thats the year I was born, great to see the 76 roadster too , more please.
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Some more.
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A little more, need to resize some more. :-P
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Here a real stock car that ran on the salt, and a few more.
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Some more.
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The black 554 roadster burned up in that huge fire in Oakland quite a while back. Soloman and Hartzog have built a new car, same number, same generally small displacement classes and still run.
Treit and I met them on the road by Pendleton, Oregon in 1968 on our way to thesalt. His square back VW had a flathead stored in the back and a shoe polish message on the side window........PRAY FOR GOOD SALT.
That's an ongoing prayer and is still relevant today.
FREUD
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When I raced with the Young Bros we had good fun the red roadster. That car is the old Brissette Bros/Quincey Auto car that was pitted next to us in '63 when I was with Paul Stanely and Bob Noice. Paul Dearth got in the club with the Brissette car that year and I was hooked. Tom Evans, Chief Motorcycle Inspector, now has that car after getting it from the late Tom Eiden who got it from Keith Young when we started to build the '39 Chevy coupe.
To make the world smaller, in the Peek Bros picture is the Jerry Kugel Modified which went to Gordon Hoyt then Glenn Miller. Who has the car now? Why Keith Young of course.
DW
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Is this the car?
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A few more.
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Yes Richard,
#262
DW
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Here are three from 1977 I think.
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Cheap n dirty, isn't the Tim Rockslitter car Seth Hammonds old lakester?
Rex
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I think so. I think that Tim had it before Seth did. In the picture it has a Pinto 2.3 4 cylinder in it.
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Yes, that is Seth's old lakester. I do believe Tim had it before him though?
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The #1256 Youg Bros roadster picture was from 1973. The Yellow Chet Herbert Cams was written on the side of the Mel Hoy Tank, RIP Mel.................JD
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Cheap n dirty, isn't the Tim Rockslitter car Seth Hammonds old lakester?
tim built it!
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here are some from 1970 at Bonneville ,I think. :?
great pics in the album!
it's just too bad the slides were soooooooo dirty when they were reproduced!
that and that there are no pictures of motion I.
thanks!
let's see some more, please!
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Here's some more. Sorry about the quality, that was as clean as they could be afer 34 years in a box in the shop and 10 or so moves. :-P
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More.
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A few more for now.
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The 211 Corvair, mid engine Chrysler,was owned and driven by Donnie Torgeson from Santa Barbara. He and Freddie Dannenfelzer were good friends. Donnie had a 29 Tudor Ford with a CHrysler in it when he was in HS. They would drive it to San Fernando, kick ssa and drive it home.
On the first leg of his record run the front end was lifting. We drove back to the pits, removed the seat belts from his pickup, drove back and tied the front suspension down. His return run put him in the 2 Club in 1967, 210+ MPH.
FREUD
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Some from 73 or 74.
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He brought it in his airplane. It's a 50cc Morbidelli and he established 5 or 6 records that week.
If my spelling is incorrect, someone post a correction and I'll correct it. The foto was done in 1978.
Same car, different color, different driver.
FREUD
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Freud, is the corvair wagon the same one that I posted in flag colors? Back around page 18 or 19?
You are walking history my friend, keep posting pictures, you are starting to catch up.
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Nope. 211 Corvair is a coupe. The title of the foto is 211 Coupe.
cheapand dirtys post
FREUD
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OOPs, guess I should have looked back at the pictures, I saw the 445 corvair wagon Competition Coupe... my bad... but you still are walking history and need to post more of your pictures...
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I have new fotos to post and I can't make the G D A M N E D site work.
I'll try again tomorrow.
Take that, word alterer.
FREUD
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Fred Larsen with a class change.
FREUD
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Is that the one when Larson pulled 4 pistons?
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D A M N, maybe I figured it out.
Kenny Hoover.
FREUD
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The first big engine scooter that I can remember. He rode thru Wendover with plates on his shoes with sparks flying off of them.
His timing slip was under 300 MPH.
FREUD
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The first big engine scooter that I can remember. He rode thru Wendover with plates on his shoes with sparks flying off of them.
His timing slip was under 300 MPH.
FREUD
If I remember it was under 300KPH... way under
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I have no idea who the rider was.
This Vesco shot was done when I shot a cover for MOTORCYCLIST. They chose a shot that wasn't as tall because they had some chick on a motorized bicycle that took up the top part of the page. The foto was done, I drove it to the Salt Lake airport and sent the film to LA, as a package on an airliner, they met the plane, processed the roll, chose the foto and had it at the printer the next morning. They already had the cover planned and so that's why he wasn't the main foto. I could only shoot the left side. He went there with fresh paint and before I arrived, he dropped it and skinned the right side so we only had the left with fresh paint. They didn't want the image going from right to left but that was the only alternative.
FREUD
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Jack Lufkin's Sports Racing car killed the class. It's best record was 291.783 MPH (AA/SR) in 1973 with Jerry Spotts driving. On the return of the record run, Spotts hit a 50 gallon barrel when he lost the chute and couldn't get stopped. If I'm wrong about the circumstances I am certain someone will call me on it. I do know the car was destroyed and never ran again. As early as 1967 it held the record in E class at 215.569 and held other records at 233.926 in D, 237.154 in C, 237.411 in B and 262.297 in A.
In the bottom shot, u can read his name on the helmet.
FREUD
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The Ball Point Bananna from New York state.
I don't know that he ever received a timing slip.
FREUD
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Vesco and Bill Wirges had a motorcycle streamliner SHOOTOUT one year.
I guess I better modify it and call it a SHOWDOWN unless their shirts were wrong.
FREUD
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some more.
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a few more.
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last ones for tonight.
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Now I better get busy on the B'ville NW Banquet. So I won't be posting anymore fotos for a few days.
I hope u enjoy these. I think the latest of these images was shot in 1978. The year doesn't really matter. B'ville changes but it never really changes. The geography remains the same and the maximum effort in 1948 was just as intense as it is today. Speeds are faster but 100% is still the same challenge. People go home as tired in 2008 as they did in 1952. The salt still eats metal the same way as it did when the telephone poles were erected. The heat and the wind haven't changed.
You first trip to the salt will always be indescribable, whether it was 1909 or 2009. Just remember, you can not describe the place adequately to anyone. They have to experience it to understand. They still may not understand you.
My love for B'ville will never be complete as long as I live. It occupies part of my day, everyday of my life. It's like the girl that you loved early in your life and she escaped. You dream of her constantly and the empty spot will be there until she returns. So it is with the salt. I dream of it daily and always hope to return. I'm hopelessly addicted to it.
No, I can't tell you why so don't ask.
FREUD
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Jack Lufkin's Sports Racing car killed the class. It's best record was 291.783 MPH (AA/SR) in 1973 with Jerry Spotts driving. On the return of the record run, Spotts hit a 50 gallon barrel when he lost the chute and couldn't get stopped. If I'm wrong about the circumstances I am certain someone will call me on it. I do know the car was destroyed and never ran again. As early as 1967 it held the record in E class at 215.569 and held other records at 233.926 in D, 237.154 in C, 237.411 in B and 262.297 in A.
In the bottom shot, u can read his name on the helmet.
FREUD
I've known about Jack Lufkins car since I started racing at the salt ~'79. These are the best pictures I've EVER seen of the car. Thanks Glen. For those that don't know this car ran 300 mph with a turbocharged big block chevy back in the mid '70's. Long before any othe full bodied cars ever came close, of anyone knew what EFI was......
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Mike, I have one shot of Jack on a return record run that is even better than this one. It is tack sharp, probably about at the three mile and it was haulin' the mail. Once again, his name is easily read in the shot. That shot has the car going from right to left. I know Jack got one of those shots from me. I have no idea if he could put his hand on the foto but it was pretty good.
I'm happy you enjoyed the shot.
FREUD
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Now I better get busy on the B'ville NW Banquet. So I won't be posting anymore fotos for a few days.
I hope u enjoy these. I think the latest of these images was shot in 1978. The year doesn't really matter. B'ville changes but it never really changes. The geography remains the same and the maximum effort in 1948 was just as intense as it is today. Speeds are faster but 100% is still the same challenge. People go home as tired in 2008 as they did in 1952. The salt still eats metal the same way as it did when the telephone poles were erected. The heat and the wind haven't changed.
You first trip to the salt will always be indescribable, whether it was 1909 or 2009. Just remember, you can not describe the place adequately to anyone. They have to experience it to understand. They still may not understand you.
My love for B'ville will never be complete as long as I live. It occupies part of my day, everyday of my life. It's like the girl that you loved early in your life and she escaped. You dream of her constantly and the empty spot will be there until she returns. So it is with the salt. I dream of it daily and always hope to return. I'm hopelessly addicted to it.
No, I can't tell you why so don't ask.
FREUD
What an awesome post in such a great thread. Your last paragraph should be on the front page of LR.com, I know it will be hanging on my wall in the shop here by thisafternoon!
Thanks for all you do to keep the history of the salt alive both here and in color... and good luck with the Banquet, I can't wait until we can be there with you one day. You're one of the best there is and like mine and Debs first experience on the salt, this whole thing wouldn't be one tenth as good without you in it.
Todd
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Bravo Freud, thank you for taking the time to post these pics and include your commentary. -Dean
:cheers:
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Freud, those are the pictures I was talking about.... WOW.... you are temporarily excused from posting pictures and completely caught up on your requirements... what great shots, no sorry, what great photographs. I have never been able to express how the salt affects me, but you certainly hit it so close I started typing through the mist in my eyes.
See you at the NWR
OK kids, lets keep this going.... I know everyone has pictures, so keep posting, what great history
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The Ball Point Bananna from New York state.
I don't know that he ever received a timing slip.
FREUD
Arnold only got it on the track once... story here. Rope start 37 Evinrude, on alcohol
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,2301.0.html
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Doc,
I saved the back half pic of Jack's car for my new screen background. I also saved your elegant verse about the lure of Bonneville. I will use that someday, some where with your permission.
Thank you,
DW
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Jack Lufkin's Sports Racing car killed the class. It's best record was 291.783 MPH (AA/SR) in 1973 with Jerry Spotts driving. On the return of the record run, Spotts hit a 50 gallon barrel when he lost the chute and couldn't get stopped. If I'm wrong about the circumstances I am certain someone will call me on it. I do know the car was destroyed and never ran again. As early as 1967 it held the record in E class at 215.569 and held other records at 233.926 in D, 237.154 in C, 237.411 in B and 262.297 in A.
In the bottom shot, u can read his name on the helmet.
FREUD
I was a member of the crew that year of the return run but i can't remember if that was the same year that the chute ripped a panel or not. i do remember being on the way down course & seeing it go up in the air and roll/slide. that was one scary incident & the 1st i witnessed.
you're right the car never ran again.
On another note. A year or so later I was, with Jack Stratton, trying to run a Pinto Pangra from Huntington Ford out of Arcadia & Ak Millers Garage. It had a 2 litre 4 banger with a turbo and a bosch mechanical fuel injection system that was put together by Bill Edwards/ Jack / Jerry Fairchild.
Never did get to go too fast with that. Anyone have any photos of it?
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Jack Lufkin's Sports Racing car killed the class. It's best record was 291.783 MPH (AA/SR) in 1973 with Jerry Spotts driving. On the return of the record run, Spotts hit a 50 gallon barrel when he lost the chute and couldn't get stopped. If I'm wrong about the circumstances I am certain someone will call me on it. I do know the car was destroyed and never ran again.
great pic!
i'm not sure that i have ever seen a 50-gallon, 55-gallon or any barrel ever out near the course.
here's how it happened:
i just finished making a pass in the ranchero and were towing it back when we heard over the radio that car number 646 was on the starting line.
so, we stopped our tow back to the pits to watch spottsie drive by.
the car was straight when jerry hit the chute.
that' when it all went bad.
a panel ripped out and turned the car over.
i jumped out of the back of the push truck, unhitched the ranchero, and we drove straight out to the car.
jack and members of his crew were arriving at the very same second.
we flipped over the car and jerry popped out so fast i'm surprised he didn't get hurt doing that.
i sustained the only injuring in the crash: a badly cut palm from sheet metal that sure made it tough shifting the racecar for the rest of the week.
btw: jerry was fine and the car was far from destroyed as it was a really gentle rollover.
when i retrieve the rest of my things from pebble beach i will submit some pics that i took at the crash site, which reveal that the car is practically intact. you can also see that, except for the damage to the tops of the fender pods from the rollover, there is no damage from hitting anything on the course.
i was never really sure why jack never rebuilt the car. maybe the writing was on the wall for the longevity of the sports racing category.
i do know that it was the last time that jerry ever drove at speed.
he always scared me when he drove! a real bag of worms who never should have been in the car: "if anything happens greg my wallet is in the glove compartment of the push truck. my mother's phone number is tucked in with my drivers license. call her and tell her what happened."
that fact that i didn't have to make that call to his mother on that day is due to the safety of that car!
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I was a member of the crew that year of the return run but i can't remember if that was the same year that the chute ripped a panel or not.
hi steve: welcome to the party!
thanks for pointing that out: it was not on a record run. it was, indeed, a qualifying attempt.
that was in the days when you qualified on one day and ran two-ways for the record on the following day.
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D A M N, maybe I figured it out.
Kenny Hoover.
looks like nolan white to me.
i don't remember nolan sharing a ride with anyone, except for rick.
if i remember correctly: this is the car with the plywood vertical stab.
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Fuel Pump AK's car?
i'd have to say that it the injectors and intake from jack lufkin's sports racer.
but then jack has run ak miller's garage for over 50-years. so, it is an easy mistake.
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Anyone still have or know where to get one of those Bosch timed mechanical fuel injection pumps? That was the "magic" of that cars engine.
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The 131 streamliner was last owned by Muffler Tom and he put a straight Buick in it. Never ran well.
The picture above from Greg. As far as I know Tom still has it.
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RockOlogy...thanks for yanking me back to reality. So I was way wrong about Jacks car. I'm happy u were there to assist in Jerry's rescue.
When I took another look at Nolans car I can see the number and Autopower in the side. You is the winner. Collect your prize at the next meeting.
But I do know for certain that bike 83 did not quite make 300 MPH.
Humbled but still arrogant,
FREUD
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Humbled but still arrogant,
arrogance does have its place!
:cheers:
just ask ba57.
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Anyone still have or know where to get one of those Bosch timed mechanical fuel injection pumps? That was the "magic" of that cars engine.
you should have seen the case that jack made for carrying the injection pump when it wasn't in the car.
i can't remember what year it was, but jack went back home to gloucester, massholechusettes and took the pump with him.
even though it was in the days before terrorism being a daily occurrence here in the good-ol' usa, he said it created quite a stir when he carried it on board.
jack treated that pump like it was gold!
and it certainly was the "magic" in that car.
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A step in the development of the Harley 'liner. Oct. '79
FREUD
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In spite of a crew of teenager misfits, Vesco was still able to establish records.
The man in white clothes was Earl Flanders, AMA referee.
This was the beginning of the return run on a record attempt. September , 1974
Murray Hoffman, designated pusher. Mike Devlin in charge of strapping him in.
FREUD
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Not wheel powered.
August 1974 Hughes 500 couldn't keep up with it.
FREUD
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Hughes 500 couldn't keep up with it.
elmo still talks about the thrilling ride he got in the helo.
i missed all of their runs on the salt, however many runs that was.
i did get to see it shut down an entire lane at irwindale; they had to run the final rounds ala scta-style: on-at-a-time and the quickest run won.
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rock doc
i like your other avatar better...the red head is much prettier...could ya change it back please? :-D
Kent
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Good call Kent.
DW
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thanks Dan... i was gonna say he is really ugly and the car is much much prettier but I'm trying a kinder more gentler Kent this year so i toned it back some :-o
Kent
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thanks Dan... i was gonna say he is really ugly and the car is much much prettier but I'm trying a kinder more gentler Kent this year so i toned it back some :-o
Kent
Yea that's sooooo much better than the old Kent :-D :cheers:
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I don't know, I think the new Kent is too tame. Bring the old Kent back! :evil: :cheers:
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A PC Kent?? sounds like an oxymoron to me!! :evil:
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rock doc
i like your other avatar better...the red head is much prettier...could ya change it back please? :-D
Kent
this one is a little prettier!
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ok!
cow's ass?
i mean: how's that?
this is my favorite view of most redheads!
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How prophetic is Phil Freudiger?
Check the nose art.
FREUD
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Landmark?
FREUD
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Fred and Mary Lou Larsen, Willie Dorsey and the Queen.
MOONEYES Car Show
Larsen and Cummins roadster restored by Willie.
FREUD
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Real Deal?
FREUD
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Remembered.
FREUD
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More Vesco.
FREUD
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Remember the first time?
FREUD
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Freud
here is a shot after i got done with it... you can also see it in the featured bikes section here..... http://www.nationalmcmuseum.org/menu.html
kent
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Real Deal?
FREUD
Don Pennington
Website: http://www.hotrodmotors.com/ (http://www.hotrodmotors.com/)
landracing profile: http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=133 (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=133)
I have that on a t-shirt (which he doesn't make any more ??)
Mike
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Kent, I forgot where i got that image or I would have given you credit for supplying it. Thanks for the post and I'm happy to see that you finished the restoration.
FREUD
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When you view that Vesco liner in the museum post, there is a sponsor credit ,Jiffy Machine.
That's the fellow that had the blown Jeep that pushed Turbinator. As I remember his name is Lonnie
and his shop is in the greater San Diego area.
Where is Dolan when we need him?
FREUD
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How prophetic is Phil Freudiger?
Check the nose art.
that nose art looks like my 200 mph cap!
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http://revistamotosclasicas.blogspot.com/2009/01/video-hrd-built-for-speed-hrd-vincent.html
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Check this out. The roadster #353 on page 27 is a yard art car in my driveway. Really funny story behind it and how I got it. One of the guys that used to run it at the salt found out it was here and came over and saw it and ended up giving me a DVD that he had made for me from some 8MM film that was shot at the salt back then. Only about 12 minutes but pretty cool stuff. It has had a slight body modification since the picture at the salt. From what I understand it had a Hudson 6 Flathead in it and ran about 137MPH and had a record for about 3 years. If anyone has any information on this car I would love to hear it. Bob
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When I raced with Keith Young we always took two engines to Bonneville. One set up for gas, the other for fuel. One year we raced against that car in the gas class. We had our fuel engine in but Keith wanted to beat the Hudson so we ran gas class first. Raced all week trading the record back and forth, ended up wearing out the fuel engine and time ran out before we could do an engine change.
Next time you see Keith ask him about the school kids. If you contact the Hudson Boys I am sure that Richard Thompson can give you more details about the car. He was the guy we raced.
DW
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here a few from 1980, not too old.
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where is jack?
jack come back!!
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Does anyone have info on this vehicle?
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#104 is Fox and Williams. 1980 was it's first time out. 302 GMC 177 mph one way. 168 three run record. Here is a newer picture
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You know, I must confess to plagiarism.
When I read the way Dan Warner added those words to the bottom of his post I had no idea of what I had written.
But after reading them I must give credit to the man that first said them to me: BRET KEPNER.
We were at the Kilo Club last year and he said those exact words to me. When I wrote them I had no idea that
I had quoted him to the letter. I APOLOGIZE to BRET.
I have no idea if my love analogy ever entered his thoughts but it certainly has mine.
It's just such a unique place, the people are so marvelous and it has been a lifetime of joy to me.
SORRY....BRET
aging and forgetful FREUD
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Freud, I thought you were too old to remember who said what to you.... :roll: see you in a couple of days
I have more pictures, I just need to scan (keeping on subject)
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I guess it' my turn for some old pic's. Hope I get the format right.
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Note the tubros on 76.
A few more.
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That last one is really tasty!
You could double the size and not pizz anyone off :mrgreen:
Mike
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Scott, keep them coming, those are great pictures. As 4BM said, you could scan them to 100K per pic and still post 4 at a time. Keep going, we know you have more.... 8-)
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Scott,
How about a little info on the gold streamliner? That thing is neat!
It is really amazing to see so many cars that we don't see now and wonder where they have all gone.
Great stuff!!!!
Rex
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Hope I get the format right.
success!
thanks!
please, keep 'em comin'!
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Ookay some more
Rex I don't know who owned the little liner
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Isn't that the Burke Bros Golden Commode that became the Pumpkin Seed?
RtR
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Still trying to get some more pic's up. I keep making a mistake on the format, or something. I'll keep trying. SB
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Yes/No ?
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Well I guess the brain fade went away for second. Bad case of CRS. SB
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Scott, u doin' good. The truck is an oldie.
Good job.
FREUD
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Freud said: "The truck is an oldie."
Jon says: "It takes one to know one."
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Right and there's only one axhole.
FREUD
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Freud, looks like you forgot to use the spell check button..... :-D :-D :-D
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I have limited access to buttons at this stage in my life.
FREUD
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Freud, try the scan button on your scanner... we need more old pictures from you...
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Stainless, u gotta give me a few days. I had a cataract surgery scheduled for Wednesday and came down with such a cold I had to cancel.
It's easier to reschedule the procedure than it is to shake this deep seated cold.
FREUD
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Like most of the folks on here I thought you were too ornery to ever get sick...
Get better soon, :-D do I need to put something in the health and welfare section so people tell you to get better.... :evil:
We will cut you a little slack till you feel better
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Have people save their energy for some project with more reliable results than fighting a cold.
I'll make it before long butt THANX for the offer.
FREUD
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This was not a LSR car but it had a signficant history. It was built by recently passed Dick Kraft.
It was on display at the March Meet.
FREUD
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One last try to post a picture of Jack Connolly in his street roadster pushing Al Hollaway in his roadster which is now mine. This came from the thread "Lakes Roadsters" on thr H.A.M.B. If I had a picture of it from '58 when Rudy Mortensen set the B/FR record with it I would have the set.
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Check out great photos. Now the test is what year and name the bike.
IMG]http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/big_d_cycle/samwheelerphotoalbum038.jpg[/IMG]
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/big_d_cycle/samwheelerphotoalbum052.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/big_d_cycle/samwheelerphotoalbum053.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/big_d_cycle/samwheelerphotoalbum055.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/big_d_cycle/samwheelerphotoalbum056.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/big_d_cycle/samwheelerphotoalbum057.jpg)
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Triumph, great batch of old scooters... sure hope you have more... :cheers:
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#1 and 4 are big D's
#2 is a know brainer.... maybe 68-69
#3 is the Bob Braverman liner I think '72-73
#4 looks like a Suzuki or Bridgestone 2 stroke motor...
i will have to check my pix and notes at the shop next week....
kent
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I really enjoy these early pictures, especially the small streamliner, both car and motorcycle. Didn't know the Fiat 124 Coupe were sold here in the USA.
Michael
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I just learned to post photos. Who said you can't teach a old dog new tricks. Couple of our hero Sam
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/big_d_cycle/samwheelerphotoalbum031.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/big_d_cycle/samwheelerphotoalbum038.jpg)
These should give you the year of the other photos. More to follow.
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Did Sam's liner have the 999 number then?
Thanx,
RtR
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Many thanks Freud - Stainless, and all who contributed to this thread. The pictures are some great history along with the facts that you all have put out there about the different vehicles. You had me completley captivated the last hour or so, I kind of lost track of time on this thread, just way too cool. I am sure there will be more to come - and am looking forward to it. An outstanding thread here.
Thanks a million - to all of you. :cheers:
Jimbo
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The Braverman liner was one of the best looking liners ever build........I had the pleasure in helping Bob in the early 1970's...........Bob Braverman also ran his roadracing sidecar on the salt with his wife as passenger......the chassis was build by "mr Sidecar" Doug Bingham and used a Kawa.
750c.c 2-stroke triple, if I recall it ran 125+mph....
a very good speed for a sidecar w/passenger at the time............................................................................
Thanks for all the great pictures guys........brings back to when I was MUCH younger........................
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I was on an assignment for a different magazine at Bonneville one year and Bob asked me to get a shot of him on a 750 Honda. I told him I'd do it if he didn't give me a credit line in the magazine. So he used the shot and he owed me.
Several years later at Daytona Bike Week, my credential was not confirmed. I talked my way into the pit area by leaving $8000 woth of camera gear with a gate guard. He gave me 15 minutes to get back, I found Bob and he had a spare credential available at the media center. We went, picked up the credential and I was covered. As we walked out the door, I looked at the pass. It was a low grade deal. I told him and we went back in and got the Full Meal Deal. The lady knew that my credential had not been ordered and when I came in with Braverman and scored, it washed her off the seat. Then when we returned and complained about the level of access, she really was miffed. The second pass was OK but the following year when I went in to pick up my credential she had to give it to me and before I left I asked her if there were any changes from the prior year. She snapped, "NO." So I walked away. 20 minutes later the Volusia County sheriff had me up against his car. I was in a place that was verbotten this year. They hauled me out side the stadium and dumped me off. My car and all of my extra gear was inside and I was outside.
I HAD TO RETURN to that same office. No relief in sight. Just then, Bill France came out of his office and walked into the room where I was sitting. I approached him and told him I had a problem. I really took a lot of crap but he reissued my credential because the gal had told me there were no changes and had not given me everything that was supposed to be in my credential pack.
I did a sigh of relief when I returned the next year and the Florida Social Butterfly was no longer the greeter in the credential room.
Braverman both got me out of and into trouble all at the same time but that one foto paid me a great return.
His wifes name was Barbara. She was a great lady and didn't lack courage to meet most any challenge. SHe was close to Don Vesco's wife, Norma and Susan McCarty. All of them left great contributions on the salt.
FREUD
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Very kool story, Freud. Thanks for writing it up and posting it. Glad the butterfly flew away. :)
RtR
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they just replaced her with another bad attitude.... Daytona is the worst as far as friendly workers... always been that way and still is......
Kent
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Hmmm, think they'd hire me if I applied for the job? :evil: :roll:
Lynda
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Naa, you smile too much and the wrong attitude for Daytona. :-D
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All the photos are from 1970 Speedweek. I do not know the bike in the first photo, second photo is easy, third photo is the Texas cigar fitted with a Triumph 3 cylinder motor ridden by the great Rusty Bradley that year. I was told it made a pass at over 210mph but had a electrical fire when he shut it off and they went on to concentrate on open bikes as Triumph was paying 1000 dollars a record that year. Check out this story about Rusty, http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2003-Aug/e/n030808a.htm
I do not know the fourth bike but can tell you a funny story.
When I work for Jack Wilson we would screen Jacks phone calls. We would say " Jacks back on the mill, can I help you with something?" Sometimes the guy on the phone would say "Tell him it's Ajax." That meant it was Dennis Manning and we would put Jack on the phone. I ask Jack why he called Dennis Manning Ajax. Jack would then tell the story of how in 1970 at Bonneville he saw a streamliner named The Ajax Manning Special. Jack told Dennis when he saw he on the salt how nice his new bike was. Dennis told he that his bike was not on the salt yet, Jack said turn around ain't that it. Dennis turned around and saw the bike in the last photo and got all mad. Of course Jack liked to get your goat as much as he liked going fast and so Jack called Dennis Ajax from then on.
I did not know what the Ajax Manning Special looked like until Sam Wheeler was kind enough to let us copy his photos and thats when I saw this photo and had to laugh. If I am not mistaken that is the bike in the movie On any Sunday when they talk about someone taking a bomb and putting a motorcycle motor in it.
All these photos are from the Sam Wheeler collection.
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Kent, I agree. I have been to Credentials ( Press Credentials) all over the world and Daytona was a place I approached with trepidation each time I attended. Cycle Magazine had a good reputation and frequently my credential came through them. I still was never confident when I walked into that office as to the outcome.
Those red neck sheriffs were vicious. I suppose it could be said that I incited an action or two on their part, but I never killed anyone. I was always ready to figure out a solution to a problem when I was there.
FREUD
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The bike next to Sam Wheelers liner with the crisscross black striping - in reply 476 - is that by chance one of Warner Riley's Harley's ?
I seem to remember that crisscross striping was like a trade mark on his leathers later on, and is that Denis Manning in the middle of the two bikes ?
Just wondering -
Plus - this is one of the coolest threads I have spent time on at this site. Many thanks to all who have contributed their knowledge of this history of the salt.
Jimbo :-D :cheers:
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That's the same paint scheme as when it was in the cover shot on CYCLE Magazine, December 1969 issue.
Some day I will find out the significance of that paint.
FREUD
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I was thinking that one was Warner Riley's as well. But it looked different a bit later.
I remember his column in a bike mag, think it was BIG BIKE mag.
There was a pic of his bike on the wall in the office at Motel 6.. I said out loud to my brother, "I bet that bike is Warner Riley, sponsored by Lakeshore Harley Davidson".. and the woman at the desk looked up and said , "Yes, it is, he came here often"
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He may "came here often" but I gave them the foto.
Speed Week 2008
FREUD
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The bike next to Sam Wheelers liner with the crisscross black striping - in reply 476 - is that by chance one of Warner Riley's Harley's ?
I seem to remember that crisscross striping was like a trade mark on his leathers later on...
You're right.
Here he is , leathers and all:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb220/octane98extra/ac9333f1.jpg)
I have the pic from an old Swedish motorcycle magazine.
The caption reads:
"..Warner Riley was for a long time test-rider at S&S
riding speed-records and doing over 200 mph
on the their stroked Sportster 1971..."
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the smallest available sprocket for my rear wheel is 33 teeth. but,
only have enough motor to pull a 39t. (barely).
franey
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Octane - Many thanks for bringing up that photo. Warner has been a total inspiration to me and our Gray Ghost Project. Would you please send me that photo in post 491 in jpeg so I can copy it since it cannot be downloaded or copied in that format.
Feud - you are totally correct as usual. We stayed there our first night in town last year since I like to get there early and help Delvene and crew get things set up. When my better half, wife Barbara, saw that picture behind the counter she says, hey jimbo - is that Warner - only took one look and I said - Yep - thats him, what a guy. She (the attendant at the counter) mentioned that somebody was there during speed week and gave them that picture- Thanks Freud ! You are a class act Mr. - :cheers:
I have been blessed with a chance of a lifetime with meeting, and a subsequent friendship with Warner since by a freak of nature,(thats another story in itself) and that happened by being at the BUB speed trials in 06 and him seeing my name in a magazine.
Bottom line is the history of Warner - Denis Manning - Carl Rayburn - Rivera - and the unsung hero of that record breaking H-D #1 liner John Yeats,
those guys are my inspiration to do better and go faster.
One story that can be related in detail later, is how they were in that welding shop in town and caught the place on fire, and barley got the liner and trailer out in time, put the fire out, but ran over the canopy while gettin the liner and trailer out.
John Yeats took the canopy out back at day break, dug a hole in the ground and started pounding on the canopy, along with the help of a telephone pole, managed to pound the canopy back to perfectly fit the liner again. Then go ahead and bust the existing record with a two way pass of 265 and change. This stuff just drives me nuts - you guyz are too much - I love it !
Thanks for the great pictures and history of the salt. - Octane - Please send that picture to me in jpeg -
Respectfully - Jimbo
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Jimbo, where were you pitted at Bub 08?
There was a White Buell near us, right beside that Westlake..
They had some bad luck with the Buell, but I think they got er fixed. Cool engine in it.. numbers were Xd out, and it said Experimental engine , or Buell Experimental engine and mavbe racing only... anyway first time I saw that.
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Octane - Many thanks for bringing up that photo.
You're welcome !
Warner has been a total inspiration to me and our Gray Ghost Project. Would you please send me that photo in post 491 in jpeg...
I'd be glad to.
Pic emailed.
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754 Newbie - We had our pit set up next to Jay Allen from Broken Spoke Saloon, one over from Sean McAvoy & the Gates Engineering crew, and I think it was Larry Coleman and his red side car on the other side. Sometimes I get this C R S and you know what happens then.
Lars - I got the picture - Thanks a bunch :cheers:
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754 Newbie. Ronnie Scroggins and I were the Westlake and the white Buel next to our pit was a couple of guys from Chicago, Andy and Holeshot were their names, lovingly know as "the Chicago boys." They completly rebuilt the buel about two times, and still got to make a couple of runs.,..... :cheers: Crow
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You mean...THE Larry Coleman, and his record setting (w/passenger Warren Ryan) "red sidecar" from Bakker Motorsports.......................................
PS> We really do love you "solo" riders....we really do....but remember....2 wheels are not enough.......4 wheels are to many.....3 WHEELS ARE JUST RIGHT......................................................................
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but only if that wheel is on a stick! right BAK.?.. :-D
kent
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Crow, are you one of the B.C. guys?
I didnt ride out last year, we went by truck.. had the MISTER tent set up beside Goldammer. I was stuck riding my Rusty Tanker Balloon bike, and we had the Orange Barstool too.
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When the pics were posted of them old streamliner bikes, one was from Big D the Triumph guys.
Beside us (toward tech area) was a guy with a red turbo Sportster, he raced for big D in the 70s, cant remember his name. However he said he had made 6 runs over 200 that week (Bub 08).. pretty fast bike.. and it is heavy.. was surprised when he told me it was over 700 lbs! :-o
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His name is Jon Monono.
Jack Wilson was his father-in-law.
He rode the Triumph twin for many years.
FREUD
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Sounds like thats it, & yep he was the son-in-law.
There is a lot going on on that Sportster, not a simple bike..
Freud, thanks for emailing me that pic.
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In addition to Jon Monono outstanding Bonneville efforts (he had been several times over 250mph) he also competed as a great roadracer on Big D's Triumph's....................................
Kent, I kind of hate to admit it, (must be my age) but I have somewhat excepted the "wheel on a stick"
as long as it involves 3 WHEELS
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:-D 754 I'm not from B.C., but my pards with the Weslake are. One of thos Bonneville dream come true stories! I'm from south B.C. (Mammoth, Arizona) I had the pan/shovel bobber at the Weslake pit. Moon Eyes on the flat black sporty tank! /Crow
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You mean...THE Larry Coleman, and his record setting (w/passenger Warren Ryan) "red sidecar" from Bakker Motorsports.......
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Yep thats the one. A great bunch of guys. Warren Ryan likes to be called "W' and a very knowledgable person. They turned us on to a bunch of CalGuard products that they were promoting, which was very cool since we don't see that stuff here in the Chicago area.
Hey Octane - I found a little info on that picture in reply 491 that you sent me. Its from 1972 and Warner clocked a couple of runs at 206 and 212 mph on the H.D Sportster. From what I understand Warner and George Smith (S&S) were the two that really started to put the Nitromethane into action on that old Iron Head Sportster.
Warner was testing some of George Smiths carburetors and on the "Nitro Express" it had .240 Main jet and ran 92% Nitro.
Jimbo :-D :cheers:
ooops - sory about the goof on the quote box - first time I ever used it, dont know how to end the quote yet -
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ooops - sory about the goof on the quote box - first time I ever used it, dont know how to end the quote yet -
Jimbo :-D :cheers:
they all end with a /quote in brackets, if you skip a line after that your typing will not be inside... :cheers:
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Great - Thanks for the help Stainless - I guess I am still a bit of a cyber Neanderthal
Jimbo :cheers:
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OK, I'm 5 hours post - op on my second cataract surgery. If it's as good in the morning evaluation as it seems now, I'll have some posts in this Old Fotos area in a day or so.
I hope they are of interest to everyone.
FREUD
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Mr. Freud..Sir, do you have any pictures of Bob Braverman's 1000c.c. 6cyl. (2 H-1 Kawa Triples
coupled together) drag bike. He had plans to run it at Bonneville....but never did.......................................................................................
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Sorry 1194....I haven't fotoed the drags since 1964.
I have fotos fo Bill WIrges triple 750 Kaw's in his streamliner. That too was a long time ago and was shot at B'ville.
I'd have to search for them, though.
FREUD
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OK, I'm 5 hours post - op on my second cataract surgery.
Holy cow ! Only 5 hrs out and your up on line reading and posting - God Bless ya Mr. Freud.
Take care of them eyeballs my friend, 8-), we love the pictures and historical verbage you put here for our viewing and education of the coolest people on the planet - all those past and present LSR types.
Respectfully
Jimbo :cheers:
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Thanks Jimbo.........I'll try to post enough to keep Stainless Uno off my boney arss.
FREUD
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Frank oddo belly tank photos ,would be great. today was his sevices one more real hotrodder gone.
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Jon Minonno is a truly great motorcycle rider. Dirt track, multi time drag racing champion, won 7 WERA National titles, first person over 250 mph on a open cockpit motorcycle and still going strong.
Here are photos from 1972 First one is Jack Wilson working on the turbo Trident, second is Jon with Jack and his son Gary.
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/big_d_cycle/shortscardwellphotos136.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn123/big_d_cycle/shortscardwellphotos133.jpg)
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One year, Jack was all loaded. He saw me and asked if I would do a team foto. He unloaded, I did the fotos and sent them to him.
Champion SPark Plug used it for and advertisement and refused to pay me because they didn't get the shot from me.
Their advertising agency screwed me out of good money.
Oh well, I failed to copyright it before I sent it to Jack. I've learned since then.
Now my lawyer is cocked and ready to shoot if that happens again. My cover shot from the December 1969 CYCLE Magazine is ready to
sell and it is protected.
FREUD
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I intended to post fotos of Art Chrisman's coupe but ran into such issues with the post that I just quit.
Sorry.
I seldom let this crap bother me. It has this time.
Changed my mind. I couldn't let it get me. I altered each file enough to post it.
FREUD
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Several more of the Coupe.
FREUD
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Freud,
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
The Crisman coupe has to be one of the most beautiful cars ever on the salt.
Don
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Here's one that I borrowed from somewhere on the web, 1955:
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee171/4-BarrelMike/Streamliners/Chrisman1955.jpg)
Mike
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After looking at those great photos taken by Dr. Freud of the Chrisman Bros. coupe, I was trying to remember names and faces. I remember, Art Chrisman, I think Jack Chrisman was his uncle, But I am drawing a blank on the brothers name, and who was Duncan? Anyone know?? Thanks Mike R.
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Lloyd was Art's brother. Harry Duncan was a contractor and and racer. He ran a coupe and had engines in others cars. The Duncan Built Homes coupe kicked a lot of butts. I was at Art's shop a few weeks ago and we had a great talk about the old days of drag racing. BTW, he still looks about 35 years old. :cheers:
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This coupe represents what a couple of racers can accomplish on their own without big corporations footing the bill ... It is beautiful and functional ... really a class piece.
Joe
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Freud ... Appreciate you posting the photos ... Joe
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Thank you Glen, for the information.. I kinda thought that it might be you who could answer my question. Have you ever considered putting your recollections of Bonneville and El Mirage down on paper so that we who are interested now, and for future generations might be better informed as to the LSR history. Nothing like getting the scoop from a guy who saw most if not all from the 50s on... Mike R.
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It's easier to answer the questions then to write a book. To much to remember and digging through old files etc is more fun. It's also hard to stay on track when getting into the old stuff. One tends to forget why they are looking in the old books and files. Thanks for the thought.
:cheers:
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It would one helluva thread if Glen and Freud posted photos and commentary together ... could probably publish it as a book .... Joe
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i found these of don and marty west trans am
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I believe that's the eighth or ninth car Don has brought to Bonneville since 1951. It's nice that he finally got into the two club with this car in 1988 and also that Marty could get into the two club in the same car in 2002 before his death. The car just sat in a corner of their shop for fourteen years before they changed the plugs and fluids for Marty's record runs.
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John Sprenger nagged me for years for a foto of the car when he drove it. I looked and looked and finally found the image. I printed small prints and took them to the salt. Marty was inline waiting for his run. When I saw him, I gave them the fotos. John was inline behind them so Marty walked back the the lakester (Got Salt) and said to John, 'Hey, look here. I just got this foto." Sprenger went ballistic and came looking for me.
Yep, he got his wish fulfilled.
FREUD
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John Sprenger nagged me for years for a foto of the car when he drove it. I looked and looked and finally found the image. I printed small prints and took them to the salt. Marty was inline waiting for his run. When I saw him, I gave them the fotos. John was inline behind them so Marty walked back the the lakester (Got Salt) and said to John, 'Hey, look here. I just got this foto." Sprenger went ballistic and came looking for me.
Yep, he got his wish fulfilled.
FREUD
:cheers:
any day you can get one up on sprenger is a good day! :evil: :-D
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THANKS, Dr Rock
FREUD
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sprenger loves practical jokes!
i'll have to write about how he setup frank "jive-ass" silva about 15-years ago. when i'm not working on my rally, that is!
preview: frank has not since turned his back to me. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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That's a tough pair to deal with.
I can imagine the ingenuity between them.
FREUD
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A real runner and restored.
FREUD
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That must be TRAMP 2..
The first TRAMP was in the 50,s I think.
Used to be pics in their catalog, I was a dealer for them in the early 80,s..
great folks to deal with..
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Denis had the bike in his display in Seattle's Motorcycle Show last year.
As long as we were asking for Old B'ville fotos I included it.
It sure as hell isn't a piece from the '50's.
For the Harley lovers that slobber, at least it won't be on my laptop.
I hope it is important to the Hog crowd.
FREUD
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The lettering on the bike says "Tramp III".
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Well while we are at it, have a look at some history.
I had to keep the bike from falling over when they went to get the stand.
That's as close to 200 MPH as my ass is likely to ever achieve.
If one is going to pose, it may as well be on something enviable.
FREUD
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Bear with me hear, I just got a new scanner/everything and am trying to figure out how to send pictures to the correct place to post them here. If this works it should have a picture of the Turbinator. Most of the pictures I have are from 87 and newer.
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Turbinator.jpg)
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Figured it out. Troy
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I think I figured it out. Here is a picture of the Pheonix.
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Scan_Pic0002.jpg)
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Joe Laws lakester.
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/lakester.jpg)
Front suspension
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/frtsus.jpg)
I believe this is the 77 roadster
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/roadster.jpg)
Group picture
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/roadsters.jpg)
I know this is El Mirage, but this is the only photo that I have of Kurt and Bob Giovanni. Bob won the SCTA points championship back in I believe 1948. Bob ashes were deployed at El Mirage through our parachute and Carlsons parachute. RIP Bob.
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/Giovanni.jpg)
And the Rasberry Rocket. Ok time to go work. :cheers:
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/rasberry.jpg)
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A couple of interesting things going on at our pit area. :cheers:
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/strangechick.jpg)
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chick.jpg)
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I believe this is the 77 roadster
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/roadster.jpg)
The " 774 " Roadster
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These are slightly off the mark. They aren't from Bonneville but recently someone wanted info about a front mount blower system.I didn't find that thread so I will post it here. This is the Mooneyes dragster from the Bakersfield March Meet. It's a Potvin drive and this setup was done years ago. Fred Larsen probably arranged it. It's similar to the way the blower was on his streamliner.
FREUD
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A couple of interesting things going on at our pit area. :cheers:
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/strangechick.jpg)
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/chick.jpg)
What happens at Bonneville doesn't always stay at Bonneville :-D
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How bout a Stude? This was Ed and Arley Langlo's 53. Ed's car and Arley's engine I believe. :cheers:
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/ed.jpg)
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How about a modified roadster. This was our first year on the salt, helping Fred out.
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/bvillercr/fredroadster.jpg)
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Patty told me, "Freud, we got a dry sump." That started their success.
All those one way 300 MPH passes were behind them. They did a 2 way, record and hat.
Now he runs over 360 and came close to being the top time of the meet last year.
Freddies quote at Gas Up, "h e l l, girls go 300."
Freddie ALWAYS goes for it. Some OLD MEN RULE.
FREUD
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I know he 287, but don't remember this car going over 300. :? Always sounded great. :cheers:
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You are right. I am wrong. It wasn't the 300, it was just getting a record. They made so many runs and would fail on the return.
Thanks for slapping some sense into my CRS attitude.
FREUD
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this may be in the wrong place, but it is an old photo.
Wasnt someone talking about downforce from the exhaust :-D
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This was early on in the life of Peterson and Sprenger. Marty West was the last to drive it.
FREUD
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Before my time, but a nice looking car. :cheers:
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These are slightly off the mark. They aren't from Bonneville but recently someone wanted info about a front mount blower system.I didn't find that thread so I will post it here. This is the Mooneyes dragster from the Bakersfield March Meet. It's a Potvin drive and this setup was done years ago. Fred Larsen probably arranged it. It's similar to the way the blower was on his streamliner.
FREUD
Actually Fred built this dragster as a tribute to the dragsters of the 1970's. It was shown in the Mooneyes booth at SEMA roughly nine years ago. Fred built it in a matter of weeks to be as true to the time period as possible. The blower drive is very likely the same setup as he had in his liner. Their booth was just across from the HPC booth in the central hall. We used the HPC location as a dumping ground for all the literature we had collected rather than haul it all around the convention halls. He was asked to drive the car on a 1/8 mile run at Bakersfield and before the day was over he ended up going for the full 1/4 at a VERY respectable speed from what I was told.
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This was early on in the life of Peterson and Sprenger.
that is how i will always remember that car!
thanks for sharing, freud!
any chance you got any shots of the peterson and sprenger camaro?
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IF I have any shots of the Camaro, I don't remember them. If I stumble on it I'll post it.
When did it run?
FREUD
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IF I have any shots of the Camaro, I don't remember them. If I stumble on it I'll post it.
When did it run?
FREUD
uuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh :? :? :? :? :?
'72 :? :? :? :?
'73 :? :? :? :?
i can't remember if it ran one or two years. but, i'm pretty certain the first year was '72.
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I'll look for it.
Thanks for giving me an idea of the years.
FREUD
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Here is the Vesco family with the 'liner in 1975.
Jinx and Rick, Betty (?) and John, Don and Norma.
Who remembers the dog's name?
FREUD
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Freud and Monty, I think Gary Matranga drove in 72 :|
Gary Cole DCWATERJET Z
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Freud and Monty, I think Gary Matranga drove in 72 :|
Gary Cole DCWATERJET Z
you're right about that, gary!
wonder if he's ever going to submit a picture to the 2-club?????????
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Freud,
I see the Vesco liner is a "K" class liner so I would suppost it has a Yamaha YZ350 in it how fast did it go??
Rex
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Rex I believe all of Vesco's 2 stroke Yamaha motors were TZ's.
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Rex, I'll look to see if I can find a 1974 or '75 rule book to get the records for the 350 class.
FREUD
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The 1974 rule book shows the Orange crate as having the KS record at 142.693 mph set in 1967. The 1979 rule book shows Don Vesco setting the record in K/FS at 148.625 mph set in 1977
I don't have the rule books between 75 to 78
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'77 book shows the same thing 142.693
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It's not a photo search -- but I guess this is as good a thread as any to look for information about a racer from the days gone past. I received this at the world control board of landracing.com. If anyone has any information on this racer -- please feel free to jump in and send it along to the lady.
This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.landracing.com/ from:
Laura Short Santangelo <laura.santangelo@yahoo.com>
Hi, My Name is Laura-My dad is Jim Short and in 1964 went 201 mph-I'm looking for info. and pic's of this event. I have nothing to pass down to his grandchildren and great grandchildren. My dad was never one to collect and save. I may get a red cap every once and a while. Thank you for any help, Laura
Thanks, everyone...
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I knew Jim Short. He drove the Paisano brothers Studibaker blown gas coupe. Below is a picture of the car in 1963, it is the orange car behind the 999 blue streamliner. I believe this was the first stock body car over 200 MPH.
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5202.0;attach=7904;image
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mid 70's streamliners
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turbine
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more
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more turbine
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another
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last turbine
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strange, any info :?
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mid 70's bike
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Vincent sidecar :?
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Ok, someone else's turn. post them old pics.
Gary Cole DCWATERJET Z
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SR 36 was a project of the automotive development division of Western Washington University.
It was driven by Jimmy Dunn of Everett, WA. He was a motorcycle road racer. Since then, WWU has built solar powered vehicles that
have raced in the USA and Australia.
That twin engined scooter, #29, was built by Tom Elrod. He was one of the early riders to exceed 200 MPH Naked. His earliest twin
engined bike was Harley powered and then his next one had Kawasaki engines.
FREUD
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The Vincent sidecar belongs to Mike Parti.....one of the first sidecar to race at Bonneville in the late 1970's................ along with ours............
Mike Parti/driver/owner....Norm Jamison/passenger........................................................
In later years Mike raced his big bore...big stroke Triumph twin, called "Poison Little" when we were racing our
BSA Triple outfit...............Ah, yes the good old days.
Mike still has both sidecars on display at his shop in N.Hollywood CA.
However, our BSA got all bent up at a roadracing
crash I had at Laguna Seca raceway....I really liked that Triple...........Oh,well................................
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Isn't the turbine car Ermie Immerso's car that originally had 4 427 Fords in it and I wil bet that the turbines are the ones in the car that the Fregusons now have.
Rex
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strange, any info :?
36SR info taken from VRI's website - Viking IV is an aluminum monocoque streamlined coupe originally built to win its class at the Bonneville National Speed Trials with an 1146 cc Wankel rotary engine. At one point this car was fitted with a 500 cc Wankel built in the VRI and achieved 55 MPG. Later it was fitted with a 1500 cc turbocharged diesel engine. In this guise it entered the Sea to Sea Econorally winning awards for lowest emissions and best economy as well as 1st overall. One of the unique features of this car was a special 5 speed transaxle with overdrive on both 4th and 5th and freewheel on fifth gear. The VRI began its investigation of low rolling drag radial tires with this car which is now fitted with a 998 cc 3 cylinder turbo diesel. This car can achieve highway fuel economy of more than 100 MPG at 50 MPH in cross county rallies.
Michael
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After the last run of the day.
FREUD
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Anyone know this renegade?
FREUD
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The Mystery Man is identified in this foto.
Vesco's problem is also apparent in this shot. The belt that connected the two engines was severly abused and frequently failed. So is the case in this record attempt foto.
FREUD
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Think Ferrari approves of this modification?
I doubt it.
FREUD
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Here's my contribution to the people that frequent Landracing.com.
You have my permission to download this and make a print from it.
It is in a format that will accommodate 4 x 6, 8 x 12, 12 x 18 or 20 x 30 prints prints with no cropping.
If for some reason you can not make it work or want a file that is bigger, let me know. Reply to my e-mail address:
fotofreud@aol.com
If you want it altered there may be a charge.
FREUD
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The kid in the yellow shirt sniffing the nitro is Jack Dolan. I guess I shouldn't have answered but he was a little lighter back then :-D
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Correct
fERd
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A better view of him.
He looks harmless.
FerD
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He looks way younger than Jack.... :roll: but I see the family resemblance.... :-D
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Don't you guys be picking on my all time HERO....
Jack D..................................................................................
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You guys must be a gang. :wink:
" Don't ever lie, cheat, or steal, because the World is too small." (unk)
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...I wondered what it was going to take to get you to reply....
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Jack,
You are alive and well and not living in Mexico!!!! Damn great to see you post! We need your comments back on here to add some interest, and common sense!
Rex
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"What hath GOD wrought?
FREUD
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Rex, you are correct. The turbines are in Emerso liner the Fergusons have now. There were 4 Fords in the first turbine liner and Ermie sat in the middle of the 4. The driver area was moved back for the turbines. Marvin got in the 2 Club with the turbines. Ermie was very dissapointed in the speed as I remember and the car was not at fault.
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More Vesco bike liner.
FREUD
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Al Teague's lakester (after turbochargers were replaced). Probably 1977.
Nick 3rd.
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Logan & Dincau A/FMR (now days a C/BFMR), Jerry Jones driver. August 1977.
Nick 3rd.
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Nick, that is a gorgeous shot of an OUTSTANDING car.
For a long time, that was the loudest car I ever heard run. Who knows, maybe I was on the down wind side but it did THUNDER.
It was the car on the 1974 Bonneville Poster. I love that foto.
Thanks,
FREUD
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Nick,
Those are some great photos!!! Keep them coming!!! :cheers:
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Electrical connection or pipe bomb?
FREUD
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Electrical connection or pipe bomb?
FREUD
You know with them it could be anything. I sure miss Don. He was one of the best. :cry:
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I miss JackD around here.
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I miss both of them.
Don trusted Jack and allowed him positions of responsibility without any worries.
FREUD
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I miss JackD around here.
He knows how to bet he can walk on water and wait to collect the money when the river freezes. What's the old saying, "no prophet is accepted on his own turf"?
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Nick, that is a gorgeous shot of an OUTSTANDING car.
For a long time, that was the loudest car I ever heard run. Who knows, maybe I was on the down wind side but it did THUNDER.
It was the car on the 1974 Bonneville Poster. I love that foto.
Thanks,
FREUD
FREUD, Glen Deeds told me the same thing. He said it made the side of his roadster shake when he was standing next to it at the five mile. I have no idea why it was so loud we were running straight alcohol perhaps we had the cam in late and were putting all the horsepower out the pipes.
Jim
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oops
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Nick, that is a gorgeous shot of an OUTSTANDING car.
For a long time, that was the loudest car I ever heard run. Who knows, maybe I was on the down wind side but it did THUNDER.
It was the car on the 1974 Bonneville Poster. I love that foto.
Thanks,
FREUD
FREUD, Glen Deeds told me the same thing. He said it made the side of his roadster shake when he was standing next to it at the five mile. I have no idea why it was so loud we were running straight alcohol perhaps we had the cam in late and were putting all the horsepower out the pipes.
Jim
Straight alcohol, yea right.
JL222 :roll: :-D
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I thought that was GIN :-D
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Everclear!! :cheers:
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Feel free to use the other pic. on me if this was posted before. Jerry
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Ooops...This one :cheers:
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How about old signs?
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Looks like an old Burma Shave sign.
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One of the Burma shave signs used to be on a curve on Dead Indian Road, Medford Ore. to Klamath Falls, Greensprings Hi-way, it said...... Ben met Anna, made a hit! He wouldn't shave.... Ben Anna split. I remember that from the late '50's. Crow
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Famous last words of lights that shine.
If he won't dim his, I won't dim mine.
Two lane road stand off.....yea 1939
Sorry I lost my head. I'll try to post some new old fotos by Thursday.
Wednesday is Board Meeting in Mt Vernon, Washington and a drive to Humes shop for fotos.
FREUD
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Have a look at the way the sign was in early days. This could have been when they filmed a few years ago.
Fotog Unknown.
FREUD
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Recently that looks like a long time ago.
FREUD
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Have a look at the way the sign was in early days. This could have been when they filmed a few years ago.
Fotog Unknown.
FREUD
That's the sign they re-created for the filming of World's Fastest Indian. The easy tip off is the base under the sign. The early sign had a different base with wider bracing. The early sign was located quite close to a ditch on the right side of the sign that paralleled the highway. The access bridge from the highway crossed the ditch in front of the sign. It also was oriented 90 degrees to the road, facing west instead of being parallel to the highway. If you have Dean Batchelor's book "The American Hot Rod" there's a photo at the top of page 154 that shows the differences. Under that there's a photo of Chet Herbert's twin Dodge powered streamliner from 1954. I have a couple of shots of that same WFI sign, located near the end of the access road. The food service catering for the extras was just on the other side of the access road for the WFI shoot. I take a lot more pictures with a digital camera than I did with my 2 1/4 square format color film. The final cost around fifty cents for each color shot transparency, there were twelve shots on a roll of film and it was sent to Drury Photocolor in San Francisco for processing. At that time i earned 90 cents an hour. When each roll of film takes almost a day's pay you are much more careful about the number of exposures you shoot.
Wes
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OK everyone out there, Max told me about Dave Matson's Vincent Triple yesterday, so who has a foto of it. Freud? start digging folks, someone out there must have it. Three 1000cc Vincent motors on a LSR bike. Dave does not have a picture of it.
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What year did it run???
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Not sure Glen, my guess would be the 70s... Maybe Max can call Dave and post more info.
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Treit and Davenport Lakester.
Over 300 in the 1/4.
FREUD
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Freud,
Did Marlo ever sell the lakester? Or is it still for sale?
Thanks,
Tom G.
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Tom, one thing I know is that it has never been sold. I can not imagine it not being purchased.
It would be impossible to duplicate it for his asking price. I assure you. Every part of it was first class.
Nothing needed to be replaced and it could have been a roller for a realistic price.
Hume did the nose and all the new panels following the blower explosion that ballooned every panel.
I have no idea if it's still for sale.
FREUD
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333 MPH
That baby THUNDERS.
FREUD
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A Texas Truck.
The Ferrari doesn't count.
FREUD
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If your looking for Dave Matsons Vincent LSR go to Vincent Free Classifieds .com and scroll down to Max Lamskeys site theres Dave giving the Vinxcent some !! On video its a joy to behold lots of fun Zurferjoe
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Not sure if any one has posted this ... "Kewi Kev" posted photos of Bonneville roadsters on HAMB ... Joe
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289351
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I like the top one -- and have for 47 years.
Stan Back
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Awesome looking scoop on the top one.
Doubt it does anything except increase frontal area, though.
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I like the white street roadster too, fast car ,very well built.
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The scoop and plenum were a make-busy project for an aging chassis/tin-man who thinks an English wheel is someone like Michael Redgrave or Tony Blair.
Actually it was an attempt to level the playing field with the 32's in the Street Roadster classes. The added frontal area puts them on an equal basis leading to a proposed rule change to bring the Model A's in line. You ought to see how much you got to add to the Model T's!
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the white roadster isnt from FL, is it? :-P
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No, it may be sturdy but it's not that fast.
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A Texas Truck.
The Ferrari doesn't count.
FREUD
You know some of the push vehicles get more attention than the racers.... :-D
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Anymore pictures? :cry:
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They always smoke.........
FREUD
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You haven't seen this unless you were there.
FREUD
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That was a bad day for the Honda Hawk :cry:
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They did not invite fotogs to that part of the event. In fact, they were very vocal in their displeasure that I even made it to
the scene of the recovery.
They didn't even let all of their crew attend the load up.
FREUD
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What's the story behind that thing?
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He crashed.
FREUD
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Dodge fast, especially for 1971: http://world.honda.com/collection-hall/2rrace/hawk_1971.html (http://world.honda.com/collection-hall/2rrace/hawk_1971.html)
Mike
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Jon McKibben was one of the nicect guys you would ever get to meet...God Rest His Soul............JD
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Freud, I have a magazine somewhere with a lot of info on the hawk effort.. sounds like Honda put quite a lot of effort into it.. but lost interest after the crash..
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I wrote the story of B'ville for CYCLE MAGAZINE that year with absolutely no cooperation from Honda.
As I recall, Jon was a major influence in the design of the bike and he was also the driver. Honda approached it with their normal vigor and
when the accident happened it was devastating to them and their ego.
It had a pair of the new 750 engines with turbo charging. They should have had much more power than they needed for the speed that they
posted.
FREUD
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I wrote the story of B'ville for CYCLE MAGAZINE with absolutely
Someone wake Freud up..I think he fell asleep at the puter again.. :wink:
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Noonan hacked into my system and posted his version of my story.
FREUD
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Freud, I found it in Cycle Guide, I think 1972..
written by Bruce? Flanders.
I think I may have another in maybe Custom Bike? a few years later..
Not sure how much they ran that..
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The Honda Hawk never ran again after that run.
They removed it from sight.
FREUD
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This is where LYNDA earned respect and she has built on it ever since.
A lovely lady that we should smile at every tme we pass thru lands end.
We LOVE YOU, LYNDA.
FREUD
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:-D Yup! We sure do! ( and your big dog too!) Crow
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:cry: Aw Shucks, guys!! See why I love all of you so much?! :-D
Lynda
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:-D :-D :-D Welcome home Lynda, we missed ya! Crow
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Do these qualify as old photos? It's a repop for the movie. Bert was smaller than Anthony Hopkins.
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I was told that Ron Christensen (sp) (Salt Flats Radio) provided this image.
FREUD
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Better color accuracy on this one. That's Ron's navy blue Jeep Cherokee in the background with the big yellow stripe on the side.
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Old Bonneville Pictures
http://www.forum-auto.com/automobile-pratique/modelisme-modeles-reduits/sujet2835-595.htm
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Wally had a huge smile when he stopped for his timing slip after his first run that day. What a great guy!
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Walt Arfons' "Wingfoot Express II" powered by up to 25 rockets, 1965
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5313.msg93457.html#msg93457
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Not all race cars make it down the course, even if they get to Wendover.
Clean, well planned and loved by the oil cartel.
He drove it from Pennsylvania.
FREUD
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More of the Bug's Brother.
FREUD
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Totally cool Microbus! I love it.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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It would really "BUG" a few musclecars, geting passed by that on the highway.. :-o
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Now that is COOL!!!!!
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By the way, he also drove the microbus to Maxton. He did run it down the track, hurt the motor pretty bad, and had to trailer it home. There's a racer for you -- willing to race his daily (I wonder) ride...and suffer the consequences.
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I met Kenny ( the owner/builder/regular daily driver ) in '07 at the Motel 6 in Wendover. Wonderful, friendly man, with all the time in the world to answer questions about the bus. Looking forward to seeing him again soon! Crow
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One of u fellows tell him HELLO for me, preaze.
FREUD
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:cheers: You got it! Crow
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You'll have to shout! He doesn't hear well after driving that unit all day. Gets better in about a half hour after he shuts it down. I wonder about the heat in the enclosed "engine compartment" on that rig.
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Blower set up on Glenn Deed's 4WD roadster.
FREUD
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Vance Breeze's Sportster 199.954 MPH in 1995. Blew it up looking for that extra 0.046 MPH to get 200.
FREUD
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the record was set in 1985---the bike isnt a sportster its a xr 1350 cc --look closely at the forks ---all in all a very impressive run willie buchta
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XR 1000 is a street lega Sportster model, is it not? It has charging sytem in it from the factory.
I cant see the forks in the pic.
I think Breese may have run Sputhe topends.
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Once agane Dr. Freud outstanding photo's for us gearhead's meney thank's :cheers:
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Quoting Willie "the record was set in 1985---the bike isnt a sportster its a xr 1350 cc --look closely at the forks "
What do these forks tell u?
FREUD
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Doesn't this bike still run? I have pictures of those forks, they are very neat! I took this pic in 06.
Rex
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Is that Mikey and Terri's "Yankee Enginuity" bike? If so the forks are made from airplane wing struts.
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Is that Mikey and Terri's "Yankee Enginuity" bike? If so the forks are made from airplane wing struts.
Mickey Goodin and Terri, great folks and yes that is their bike.. :cheers:
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They, and Duncan, were the first people I met in '07. Couldn't be any nicer people! (Cept maybe you and Michelle, Willie and Sheri, Shane and Krystal, Scott and Paula, etc. etc. etc.
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Old "Keller"... :-D
J
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Thanks for the pics.
terry
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Not as old but rather fast.
FREUD
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These are Sputhe engines. Breese ran one circa 1980, XR1300
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I remember that cover bike, cool piece.
You can always tell a Sputhe, cuz the pushrods go thru the fins.
Them XRs, Sputhes, and Thunderheads, make cool looking motors..
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Truth in Advertising.
This is an ancient shot and hasn't changed in a long time.
If you awaken from a dream I hope it's about this place.
It will still be the same the next time u get there.
FREUD
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Did someone say 444 in a different post?
Here it is as it was.
What's the dog's name?
FREUD
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A good looking family and a great looking car having a great time together.
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Another view of our hero.
FREUD
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Ummm, that would be Cricket...... :-D The tiny dog that is.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonne-Project-500-011.jpg)
Freud, I have a package coming to you next week with your stuff plus some old Bonneville pics on CD. Thanks for the loan of your negs!
Matt Guzzetta
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Here are a couple of motorcycle streamliner pics, with more of the great Don Vesco, sure miss him.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Vesco-trailer.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Vesco-start.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/manning.jpg)
Matt Guzzetta
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Very few ever saw the dog, let alone know it's name. You is OLD SCHOOL.
Matt, those were some of the best days of our lives and they all seemed like recess.
Don was SO COOL that nothing bothered him. An ALL KID crew and he raised record inspite of you.
Remember the foto of Cricket in Don's lap just before a run? Cook said in CYCLE MAGAZINE, the bike went straight but the dog wobbled.
The fellows that have his old trailer will love the shot of the Red #1 being unloaded from it.
Thanks for posting.
Note: Matt was with Don more that I was. He lived in the San Diego area and I live in Washington State.
FREUD
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Slightly enhanced foto.
FREUD
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Great Mr. Freud! Now, can you save some washed out photos with your magic software?
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Vesco-check-up.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Vesco-Blue.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Vesco-Blue-side.jpg)
Is this a photo of you looking at the streamliner? It seems familiar.
Matt Guzzetta
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Matt, keep posting those old fotos.... we are loving them....
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These are probably beyond my capability.
FREUD
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These are probably beyond my capability.
FREUD
Subaru Freud, lots of stuff make that requirement....
Most of us are not foto perfectionists like you are... any image is a good one if it identifies the subject to an interested party... even the ones with snow in the air...
Keep 'em coming
See ya on the salt or at the 6 8-)
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I do have a couple more of the Vesco Liner in another paint job. We repainted the thing almost every year!
One great shot is with the 2 liners nose to nose Vesco and Bill Wirges!
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bville-Vesco-Wirges-wp.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Vesco-Liner.jpg)
This is Don and Mike Devlin pushing the bike up in line.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/vesco-Bville-Liner.jpg)
This is at the turn around I think, it looks like Bruce Flanders observing.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonne-Project-500-012.jpg)
My little 500cc streamliner with Rosevelt Lackey driving, great guy and still running at Bonneville!
Enjoy!
Matt Guzzetta
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Well I wonder where we buy a shirt like this? Would it be at the Municipal Traffic Court in Wendover? Would that be on the Utah or Nevada side?
FREUD
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I wonder. . .if I'd be able to sell very many of those shirts. I'd have 'em say the same as you see here on one side -- and www.landracing.com on the other. Hmmm, there's something good in this idea. Help me fine tune it, okay?
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I wonder. . .if I'd be able to sell very many of those shirts. I'd have 'em say the same as you see here on one side -- and www.landracing.com on the other. Hmmm, there's something good in this idea. Help me fine tune it, okay?
List all the hotels and prices after each name, during Speedweek and after :evil:
JL222
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How about,
Bendover, on one side with the high prices..
& Wendover on the other side with the lower prices.. :-D
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Bendover: Racers prices
Wendover: Normal prices
Where to get consolation: landracing.com
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Hello,.
You can me assisted... I am looking for information on "The Thermo King Streamliner" for my next model. Would like to have photos and information about the car. . Thank you for any help you can give
Marc
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Hello,.
You can me assisted... I am looking for information on "The Thermo King Streamliner" for my next model. Would like to have photos and information about the car. . Thank you for any help you can give
Marc
One post on this topic would have been enough.
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List all the hotels and prices after each name, during Speedweek and after :evil:
JL222
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Start with Days Inn, $200.00 a night !
Thanks to all for the great photos.
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Found my old pics from 1980. Poor quality from a pocket instamatic 110.
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1980
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Also found this pic from the Winternationals sometime in the early 80's. Is it who I think it is?
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These are great pictures.
Cook with mutten chops,,,, I remember that..... :evil:
More if you've got 'em......
Thanks.
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Ah, the memories, thanks for sharing.
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Who's the #37 roadster? Got a killer look.
Stan
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I was only 20 yrs old when we made that trip and I never thought that one day I would be racing there. What I remember from then was staying at the KOA when it was on the north side of the freeway. A guy giving plane rides for $20 (it was my first time flying).A car had crashed but I don't remember who or what. Getting kick out of the Hideaway :-o.And some guy was doing electrical shows and experiments in one of the hangers.
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That guy in the hanger was just like a mad scientist. Had electric lightening zapping all around. That was something else
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Also found this pic from the Winternationals sometime in the early 80's. Is it who I think it is?
Hasn't changed much has he!
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Lightening Man was a man unto himself. A past sheriff told me that he would drive around town scoping things out. If he saw something lying around, even in someone's yard, and it didn't get moved after a short time, he would load it up and take it to the hanger. When the people would report it missing, the sheriff would go see if LM had rescued it. If so, he would have to return it. They never treated it as a criminal case, just the actions of a "different" type fellow.
His girl friend was considerably older than was he and was the mother of a prominent speed equipment manufacturer.
I have no idea when he moved out of the hanger. He rented it and had connections that allowed him to purchase surplus military equipment for very low amounts of money. That's how he was able to pursue his dream of creating Ball Lightening. Ball Lightening was considered a threat to electronic equipment and it has been know to frequent military installations where there was the possibility of causing major damage. Apparently it is a ball of energy that moved randomly around in a room. So LM decided that if he could re-create it, he may figure out the natural source and eliminate the threat.
But he turned out to be the threat.
He did get excited during his presentations. I only attended one "showing." Jack knows the entire story.
FREUD
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Freud, got a pic of this fellow?
..reading about him reminded me of a Scrapyard, rather large one I saw near Ogden Utah, on the way backfrom BuB...
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http://webpages.charter.net/stcole59/hv/golka/golka.htm
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Great link! :cheers: :cheers:
Mike
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Thanks, Dallas.
FREUD
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When I went down there, I never took a camera. I didn't want to work while I was there.
Obviously, other people did fine with their shots, but I have no images of him.
FREUD
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Stan: I believe that #37 was the CLARK Cagle roadster. Can't remember what happened to it, but it looks a lot like the #299 of Ed Stucks. I'm sure someone will remember. I was there in 1980 with my 40 Chevrolet..........JD
PS: Anyone else remember the "orange" SCTA officers shirts? Whos car did they match? (mine is still in my closet)
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JD, I agree. As I recall that was Clark Cagle's car.
FREUD
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While we were sitting in our pit spot at World of Speed this year there was a guy pitted next to us that we struck up a conversation with. He was running a silver 911 Porsche in the 150 club. He said that he was a downhill ski racer, and brought out a picture of himself in 1985. He had made an arrangement with Don Vesco to attach his skis on the streamliner and make a pass on the top of the car. He said he set a timed record [probably unofficial] of 161 MPH. He also said that the Vesco's have the same picture hanging in their shop. Has anybody else seen the picture, or heard of the feat? I asked him to post the picture here, but he probably forgot. Looked really strange and scarey.
Doug :-o
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We were there with the Danny Boy at the July tune-up meet. I believe he (and a girl also-she went faster) and the effort was sponsored by Salomon. Sport started in Europe, coming back from the resorts. Would just lock the skis on the racks and step in. Crazy huh. Rick built some new body pieces to put the guy on top. He also built a new tail section for the bicycle guy (I think it was John Howard) could set a record with a peddle bike. Great fun all.
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We were there with the Danny Boy at the July tune-up meet. I believe he (and a girl also-she went faster) and the effort was sponsored by Salomon. Sport started in Europe, coming back from the resorts. Would just lock the skis on the racks and step in. Crazy huh. Rick built some new body pieces to put the guy on top. He also built a new tail section for the bicycle guy (I think it was John Howard) could set a record with a peddle bike. Great fun all.
I worked at Hooker headers in the late seventies and early eighties and Vescos liner was there frequently, one day I walked into the fiberglass shop and see the car with this large box/fairing on the back. In the back of the the box was a crossbar (Apparently for the bike guy to hold on to) with a short rope tied to it.
Next to the car was a funky looking bicycle with a HUGE front sprocket on it. I remember walking away thinking " Man, I hope that guy has a good set of leathers..."
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New picture but, old car. Kenz & Leslie's 777 Streamliner.
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New picture but, old car. Kenz & Leslie's 777 Streamliner.
Corey, welcome to the site, take a few more next time you visit Ron.
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I'm going to Kenz ans Leslie's tomorrow to take Ron the oil sample from the the Lakester. That BG oil 0/30 and all of BG's additives are great products. Thanks for a great week at the salt!
Oh yea down 5lbs already.
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We were there with the Danny Boy at the July tune-up meet. Rick built some new body pieces to put the guy on top. He also built a new tail section for the bicycle guy (I think it was John Howard) could set a record with a peddle bike. Great fun all.
The Dutch bike guy (I think his name was Romplemeyer or something like that) had a cable with a release on the handlebars of the bike. Rick towed him to speed and then the guy supposedly released the cable and pedaled to maintain the speed. He had a window in the box fairing so he could see ahead. Something went wrong, the guy went down. He ended up in the hospital and sued Vesco. A messy deal. It doesn't seem like it was the 444 car however but an Indy car that Don had sitting around his shop that they put the box faring on. They had a bike frame and rollers under the rear tire to practice in the pits and warm up before runs and I remember how hard that apparatus got used. I think Rick would be happy to forget that whole fiasco.
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When I saw that thing running it was the 444 car. Bike didn't go down that day
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I recently acquired some old postcards with Bonneville topics. This is an example of some of them. I wonder if anyone else has any of these? Sorry about the poor quality of the picture as I got a lot of glare when I tried to take the shot. A friend of mine is a postcard dealer and he locates these for me. A couple of the cards have small packets of salt attached to them. I thought they were interesting.
John
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Wester, the guys name was Fred Rompellberg. But he came later. The Strasburgs modified a big block Chevrolet powered car for him. This was in the early 90's. The Vesco deal was quite a bit earlier I believe.
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The run with the Vesco streamliner was with John Howard, here is a scan of the record in the Guiness Sports record book of 1987-88
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/scan.jpg)
I was not there, but was there with Freud when we saw the Lightning man display, really wild stuff. The guy theorized that he could use ball lightning to contain a fusion reaction, or that is what my memory tells me.....
Matt Guzzetta
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Would the lightening guy have been Nicola Tesla? I believe I read in his biography that he did ball lightening experiments in the area.
Doug
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Lightning man was trying to replicate the work of Tesla in the area of ball lightning. He said that the problem was getting the frequency high enough with the large amount of amperage need to make the ball lightning. I went there with Don Vesco and we tried to help him with the switching at high frequency. He was using the tips of a large circular saw blade to make the switching, but the blades would come apart at over 7,000 or so RPM. We couldn't help him, it might be possible to make some high amperage, high frequency today with some monster solid state device, who knows. We did see some wild stuff that night.
Here is a link that DallasV added in his answer, it is the wild guy himself, the one we saw for sure.
http://webpages.charter.net/stcole59/hv/golka/golka.htm
All kinds of wild stuff happens at Bonneville!
Matt Guzzetta
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Maybe this 1954 shot isn't too old. SCTA did the timing at Colton, CA. at that time on the drag strip.
The car, #58, was owned by Bert Leithold of Riverside and used a flathead Ford 6. Later it used a GMC and ran at Bonneville in 1955.
It held records for years at Colton, Pomona and Riverside.
Then it unfortunately fell under the ownership of Stan Beck and held a street roadster record at the mecca of speed, unless it is wet,
B'ville.
The foto is from a personnel file in the records division of the Riverside County Sheriff's Office.
FREUD
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What year was this at ElMo?
FREUD
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58 :-D
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TODD, You nailed it.
You may even have been correct.
Was it legal for Al to race w/o a drivers license?
Looks like a single roll bar was acceptable.
FREUD
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Lucky guess, saw the 56 in the background and took a shot. Todd was close...Troy :cheers:
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Lucky guess, saw the 56 in the background and took a shot. Todd was close...Troy :cheers:
Todd, you know Ferud is bad with names and spellin' ... ask Sten Beck....
He is old so ya gotta cut him a little slack Troy... :roll:
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If anyone deserves some slack it's Frued, that kind of stuff never bothers me and I'm used to being called Todd. Many of my ex co-workers used to call me that, a little ironic. :cheers:
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It started with T and had 4 letters.....close enough for someone who's still at home while the salt is being groomed.
FuerD
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I might as well be at home, its cheaper. All dressed up and no where to go. 8-)
Fred
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Wouldn't that picture of the roadster been "68"? According to Al's bio on his site, that was the first year for the STB. I didn't remember, had to look.
Ron
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This photo looks more "race car" than "museum piece" -- that's how I remember it.
Stan
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Stan....did you get some of those free samples of memory pills that they advertise?
FREUD
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All those free "mamory pills" do is give me a boner.... I think! If i remember right!
kent
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WOW !! There may be 2 reasons for old codgers to stock up.
Stan Beck can give us a report.
FREUD
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Kent got me all excited -- then I reread it. I thought I could get another A-bone!
Stan
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Sorry Go Nuts Ski.
FREUD
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hey Ferd, that looks just like the back of our T shirts....
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Your shirts don't have the HALO.
That foto has been in my garage, next to the darkroom door for at least 20 years.
FerD
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probably 30 .... sign went missing in 80 or 81.
Some of my shirts have the halo... some have a reverse halo... depends on age and use....
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Thank-you those are great.
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Your welcome I was looking at my Dads old pics and came across some good pictures. I think there are from 70' 71' and 72'. I will have to ask my Dad when he gets back from SEMI show.
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I figured you raided Dad or Ron's picture stash.... great pics, surely there are more...
Cool pic of Larson with Lynn's Gullwing next to it.
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If you open a foto and there is a white border along any part of it, click on the foto and it should enlarge to fill the white area.
FREUD
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Most people can tolerate another image of this car. I'm sorry that I don't have sound with it.
FREUD
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Preparing...........not likely for an assault on the salt.
Rope pull starter?
FREUD
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:?.....rubber mount jugs....................................................... :-D
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Kent Riches just did a rebuild of this liner of ricks...
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Great photo Cory,
Sam Wheelers Norton was restored and displayed at the BUB event this year...
Jon
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Preparing...........not likely for an assault on the salt.
Rope pull starter?
FREUD
That might have been the year Stainless and I towed Arnold to 90mph. The only time we saw him make a pass 1987. The girls sure looked good in Playgirl!
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Got a lot more pics but Jon :mrgreen:, between my dad and Ron I need to retire and dedicate all my time to all there old Bonneville pics and collectibles.
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These were shot in 1975 and magazines only wanted B/W then.
I have run into a problem getting the downloads to work.
FREUD
Thanks Freud. Hope you feel better soon!!! Tony :cheers:
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Well, the foto wasn't done on the Salt but in a way it relates to the Salt.
These are Burt Munro's daughter and son, John, at the AMA Motorcycle Hall of Fame in Pickerington, Ohio
in 2006. They accepted their fathers medal.
FREUD
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The current issue of Hot Rod Journal has a lot of old time lake racing photos and articles. The Old Crow belly tank is pictured.
One photo shows a 1940 Mercury pulling a roadster. There is no one in the roadster and it is being pulled directly behind the car. There is no dolly under the front wheels. The caption says it is being flat-towed.
This seems like a good idea, bur I have never seen it done. Why is this? Do they need to chain up the steering wheel so the towed car does not turn?
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Up until the mid sixties it was pretty common. As long as the front end alignment is close to correct and a tow bar is used it works rather well most of the time. A trailer works a lot better and allows getting home no matter what problems may be incurred with the race car plus it allows carrying extra equipment without having to unload it unless necessary. Trailers were a big step forward.
Pete
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Thanks Peter. My father talked about his "tow bar" but I was too young to know what it meant. Yes, if you crashed and could not pull it home, you would leave it there. Then the midnight vultures would do their work.
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This will give you the idea.
We used to use them when 4WDing to hitch two or three vehicles together to push through the bad bits.
(http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/pics/tow_bar14_720.jpg)
Cheers,
Rob
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Flat towing is commonly used today when towing something behind a motorhome.
Pete
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I got this one from Rodders Journal in an email. Earl Evans headed to or from the salt. I'd love a pickup and would almost kill for the panel...then there's that tank.
(http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/Dwizdofoz/Salt%20Stuff/WAYcoollineupof48sEarlEvanscrew.jpg)
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The Hot Rod Journal is a classy magazine. Times must have been different in the days when the world was turning from black and white to color. Did you notice how people in these old photos are not very fat? Also, there is a whole lot less of everything in the pits. Mostly cars and people. I sort of wish things were simple again, but maybe not. The popup, lattes and beer cooler are sorta modern day essentials.
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Well, Lee Gustafson stopped by my shop for lunch today. He brought some Bonneville pictures from ~'59-'62. Way cool stuff. He let me scan a few so I could show them here.....
Thanks Lee. 8-)
I'm not sure who they all are so if you know something about any I post sing out.
The 1st one is M/T, duh.....
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More......
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Whoooo love that rear eng roadster why the strange air bonnet
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Biggest surprise for me was the disc brake on the MR!
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Some more.......
after this I'll post the rest later. :-)
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Whoooo love that rear eng roadster why the strange air bonnet
That's the Summers Bros. rear eng. modified. It had a front drive blower but don't know why they made the inlet tube so funky.
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Ah -- no tarps under the vehicles. That's what's missing.
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Here we are in 1963, ahead of the curve for once.
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The Hot Rod Journal is a classy magazine. Times must have been different in the days when the world was turning from black and white to color. Did you notice how people in these old photos are not very fat? Also, there is a whole lot less of everything in the pits. Mostly cars and people. I sort of wish things were simple again, but maybe not. The popup, lattes and beer cooler are sorta modern day essentials.
whole lot less grey hair too :-D
we just got the news that there isn't going to be an ice truck at the lake this year, that's a toughie......and I'm not talking about intercoolers.
There are almost all of my favorite Bonneville cars just on the page above thispost....that's not the best angle for the shaddoff, but there are some really beautiful pieces there, and the photos have faded just right.
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what you mean no ice, at bonneville? come by roadster 976 there will be ice there. just picked up a ice maker a big one too.
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what you mean no ice, at bonneville? come by roadster 976 there will be ice there. just picked up a ice maker a big one too.
Thanks for the offer, but I meant Lake Gairdner...however that's one thing I'll tick off the list for when I do come to Bonneville :wink: I'll have a big shaker, some Noilly ,some dry gin and some little green olives.
you beaut
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Mike, that was when we still drove out the highway toward SLC and turned left, at MP 12 I think, to get on the salt. The wooden bridge crossed the canal and
many people pitted along the dike. (The pits were not a mile long, either.) The return road was on the mountain side of the course. In at
least one foto the telephone poles were evident. There was no wire on them at that time but plenty of insulators. We harvested 400 of
those pyrex insulators with the lead bushing between the glass and the metal post that went thru the cross arm.
If I remember correctly, Bonneville was the only place where pyrex was used.
WOW..........the good old daze.
FREUD
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Reply 804
Kenny Logan's Graham on left, Keith Young's '37 Chevy on right. My first year, went with Bob Noice and Paul Stanley.
DW
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Reply 804
Kenny Logan's Graham on left, Keith Young's '37 Chevy on right.
DW My first year, went with Bob Noice and Paul Stanley.
I'm betting there's a great story or three there.................... :-D
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Reply 804
Kenny Logan's Graham on left, Keith Young's '37 Chevy on right. My first year, went with Bob Noice and Paul Stanley.
DW
Close dan, Graham belonged to the Scavengers car club of Burbank. Dincau Brothers and Logan were the drivers/crew.
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Whoooo love that rear eng roadster why the strange air bonnet
Sparky,
I looks like they were dividing the air to the blower manifold, half to the front rest to the rear. At least that is what it looks like when you blow the picture up.
Tom G.
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Reply 804
Kenny Logan's Graham on left, Keith Young's '37 Chevy on right. My first year, went with Bob Noice and Paul Stanley.
DW
Close dan, Graham belonged to the Scavengers car club of Burbank. Dincau Brothers and Logan were the drivers/crew.
Easy Jim, Dan was just a kid then............... :-o
'course I was 4 years old.................. :-o :-D :evil:
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Jim,
I always considered the car belonging to you guys - not a club project.
DW
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One thing I noticed was the lack of parachutes...on the liners or for that matter roadsters also. What year did the parachute rule come into effect? Thanks Mike R.
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Thanks Tom,,
when you study it(once again, my alligator mouth out performed my hummingbird brain) it feeds a 2 4 manifold. They did split it--from the "banjo" like hat the front is fed from the left and the rear is fed from the right
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The pics that Mike posted, two things:
1. Man, everyone was young!!!
2. Notice that the Summers Brothers rearengine roadsters was high gear only? Big torque and a good push truck!
Rex
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These aren't "old" Bonneville photos -- but they're still nice. Ron Main sent the link from www.speedhunters.com.
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/08/31/gallery-gt-gt-a-last-look-at-bonneville.aspx
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We met those people at Speedweek, some of the photos on their site from this year are simply stunning, some of the best I have seen..
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This is a pic that they (Speed Hunters) took last summer at B,ville early morning of my roadster.
Rex
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Man, the salt sure does have beautiful sun rises.
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so thats your roadster Rex? thats bitchen. like it
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Rex, your roadster looks great. Looks like it got a good rinse on the drive from Nor Cal. :-o :-D
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Man, the salt sure does have beautiful sun rises.
Only been 1/2 way 'round the world but haven't found better yet, an indescribable feeling as well as sight,especially from impound.
Ed
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10-4 on the view from impound--sorta like the old hymm line "Nearer My God to Thee"
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We thought they closed Impound -- haven't been able to get there lately.
Stan
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Was open last year Stan, we visited 4 times during 2 meets with 2 vehicles in 3 classes (of course lost one to an old foe at the next meet, congrats Mark), seemed to have the great sunrises we all expect. Maybe you have done something to injure your karma.... you could buy Freud and me dinner at the old gas station where we had dinner the last time and I could help you figure it out :wink:
Wait, I just figured it out, now it is your turn :-D
Karma Stan 8-)
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Who is this?
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I didnt know the picture was going to give it away
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Looks like he was changing plugs on the Pantera.
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The ONLY sight better than sunrise on the salt is....sunrise on the salt from impound!! :-D
Lynda
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Geisler-Stringfellow&Young 1988 El Mirage Points Champ,That's back in the day!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lloyd was Art's brother. Harry Duncan was a contractor and and racer. He ran a coupe and had engines in others cars. The Duncan Built Homes coupe kicked a lot of butts. I was at Art's shop a few weeks ago and we had a great talk about the old days of drag racing. BTW, he still looks about 35 years old. :cheers:
That's funny. Ive never heard anybody but Harry's son (My Grandpa) Refer to the "Chrisman Coupe" As the Duncan Built Homes Coupe. Harry is my GreatGrandpa, out of curiosity does his name ever come up when you re talking about old Bonneville? I have some great color pix of that car from the time when my grandpa owned it. Let me know if you'd be interested in seeing them. Let me know, I have pix of a bunch of his other cars also.
Cheers!
Mike
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Several more of the Coupe.
FREUD
Ive got some I can guarantee youve never seen! Interested in them? Let me know ill post them!
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Several more of the Coupe.
FREUD
Ive got some I can guarantee youve never seen! Interested in them? Let me know ill post them!
Don't waist time, post them...... :-D
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Several more of the Coupe.
FREUD
Ive got some I can guarantee youve never seen! Interested in them? Let me know ill post them!
Don't waist time, post them...... :-D
Alright... Alright ill work on it
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Here are some scans of photos my Grandpa copied for me of "The Chrisman Coupe" from the time when his father owned it. Notice the bronze colored helmet in the second picture sitting on the car. Check out the badass truck used to tow it! My grandpa said his dad would let him drive the pickup around town a bit. Striping by Dutch. These photos are not out there floating around, Ive never seen a photo of the car in this form other than the framed photos hanging in his garage. What do ya think?
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I think that is pretty freaking cool...
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Thanks for sharing. Very cool pictures
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Great pictures of a VERY fast car -even today!
Look in the dictionary under CLASS and you'll find Art Chrisman.
Harry Duncan shouldn't be ignored by our history , both Lakes and Drags.
He partnered up with some fast people, Chrisman and Ed Losinski for example, and had fast equipment of his own (especially the highboy roadster). The word CLASS applied to him also.
Glad to see the Duncan bloodline has carried on to R&RRatFink's generation!
And I wonder if there aren't a few Long Beach/Lakewood Ca. area Landracers that might be living today in a Duncan-Built home?
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Hey IB, I knew them all and went to Art and Lloyd's shop in Compton many times, Jack lived in North Long Beach and was building rear ends for years. As to Harry Duncan he was a neat person and racer. He had a TEE coupe that he ran at the drags and on one run the fabric top blew off the top and left cotton everywhere. Another the driver thru out a wooded leg thru the no open top. It was never dull around that bunch. When he and Frank Cannon were teamed up there was more BS going on then, then the sides could take from laughing. Great era of racing. I was at Art's shop a few months ago and yeah he still looks 35.
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rockandroolratfink,
Those are great old photos, gotta love the whole push car / race car set up...classic!
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Ermie......
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Love that sound......whooooosh!
The heat shimmer was elegant, also.
FREUD
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Isn't that the way a streamliner should look? :-D :cheers:
Pete
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Here is a pic of Ermie's last turbine car that the Fergusons now have. As all of Ermie's cars were, beautiful!
Rex
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yes!
and no.
having been in the "redhead family of drivers" for most of the car's existence i really love that look; the classic mid-20th century streamlining; bubbled-fender pods; sweeping lines; the visual scream that says: golden age of lsr.
but, now that we are in the 21st century - and really going fast - i think the buckeye bullet and the mormon missile have "the look".
i don't really care too much for the look of the miles streamliner, but it sure seems to work!
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found a box of a couple hundred slides from the 60's my dad had.here is a sample.these have not been cleaned yet but i just couldnt wait to post a couple.
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Herda car ?
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oops :-o
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Good job, Gary.
FREUD
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Ermies
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Roadster
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cool pics, gary!
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Looks like we were pitted up by the dyke.Thanks Gary
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the trailer
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my Dads Stude pitted next to Redhead
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B&N modified
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motorcycle liner
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lvsalt -- "roadster"
You mean THE roadster, right?
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The B & N roadster has been completely restored a couple of years ago.
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get in
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redhead 1967
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vesco 444
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Thanks, Gary
Those are really fun.
FREUD
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some bikes, these are from 66,67
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liner
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another
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double
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red triumph
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slides are from 66,67 any requests give me a car # seem to be quite a few roadster pics
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another Ermie
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really like this liner
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another
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Markley close up
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Gary
You need to have these put on a CD and I am sure you could sell a bunch. I would love to have it for the historical files as would Jim Miller and the AHRF. What do you think.
Sure sorry to hear the DC water Jet is gone.
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Any pics of the 888 (I think that was the number) Howe's Welding Special? :cheers: GREAT pics!!!
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Ryan, Jim Howls roadster isn't that old. It was built around 1992 I think, some where I should have a picture of it. He got in the 200 & 300 clubs on the same passes. :-D
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Glen, I knew it wasn't that old, but I think it's a great piece of machinery. Didn't he make a pass at 307 MPH backwards? That's pretty awesome, frontwards or backwards! :cheers:
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Ryan,as I recall he was sideways but didn't spin on that run. He is a strong and savvy driver.
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EBC liner
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nice roadster
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twin tank
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motor change
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nice roadster
What car is that in the upper right hand of this photo? The red one? Again, great photos!!! :cheers:
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The twin tank streamliner was built by Howard Johansen (Howard Cams) Did not handle well as I was told. Loving all of the pictures.
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Glen i sent you a message
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Markley close up
My all time favorite tank. Didn't it run around 260 something?
Tom G.
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turns out there are about 100 slides, not all were Bonneville,sorry for saying
200
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couple more Markley
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Markley
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I think this is Markley also :?
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Thanks Gary. The last Markley tank had lots of potential. Tony Barron bought it off Markley's and ran a flathead in it.
Tom G.
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I see the B&N Modified Roadster in the background of one of the Markley pics. :cheers: Keep 'em coming!!!
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here you go Ryan
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Awesome!!! Thanks!!! :cheers: What else do you have in those slides?
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Great stuff, keep 'em coming!
Anything from '65?
Ed
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Here is one for Sunday morning, takes a little time to scan and resize
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L&C liner
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looks interesting,anyone know about it?
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motor in previous car ?
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sitting in Stateline casino
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Dads, he told me they never had a problem unloading the car
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lots of stories of guys rebuilding engines in hotel rooms, Dads crew working in the parking lot
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Fuel station
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even the little liners were cool :-D
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nice
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anyone have any info on this :?
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Freud, Is that you up there????????????
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Stude :cheers:
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another
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It looks like Lufkin's car behind EELCO.
Number 400 is Neil Thompson.
FREUD
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anyone have any info on this :?
who had #44 before Fred D?
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Freud, not Lufkin, its the liner in reply#881
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Lufkin (spelling) :?
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Gary,
This is for myself and I am sure for all of the people that have been looking at the pictures that you have been posting. THANKS!!!
So many neat cars and great people.
Rex
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Some answers #44 was Higginbotham-London-Auld in 1966
#210 was built and run by Tim Rochlitzer entered as trhe True Radius Bending Spc. Speed was 220.45 mph. This car was purchased By Seth Hammond #77 and put three drivers in the 300 mph chapter.
#105 is interesting E/L ran a Pontiac Temptest engine 180 cu/in supercharged speed was 196.50mph. It was also front wheel drive.
Thats all for now folks.
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#105 is interesting E/L ran a Pontiac Temptest engine 180 cu/in supercharged speed was 196.50mph. It was also front wheel drive.
Thats all for now folks.
Glen,
Wasn't that car owned by Julian Dotie's buddy who lived in Atwater, by Glendale Ca.? My mind has gone blank, but he died a couple of years ago and I think the car got sold at Fathers Day Roadster show in Pomona. Was the name Jerry Silverstein? I don't like getting old. LOL.
Tom G.
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Tom,that's him
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a couple more while watching football
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more
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another
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Burke
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look at the headers
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Hi Rex,
Hope you are enjoying,I was just lucky enough to be able to get these from my Dad, I know alot of guys didnt take pictures, having too much fun racing. My Dad told me, He didnt take many pictures. Lucky to find these :cheers:
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There was also a picture of Jerry Kugel's roadster in there. #262 :cheers: Keep 'em coming!!!
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Vette
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IvSalt....sorry I lost my head and screamed Lufkin.
FREUD
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Dads Stude,didnt set any records but looked nice
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alot of water
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another
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I guess SSS is ok with me posting all these :? I dont want
to take over the entire topic, Im sure others have photos to post.
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NO, not at all, Gary -- have at it. I'd be willing to show you how to put them all on a photo sharing site (like Photobucket) and then just copy the Photobucket file names (a couple of clicks does it for each photo) onto a post. You could have a dozen or more on each post if you do it that way. In the meantime -- thanks for the photos. I see Skip Higginbotham is over on the land-speed list asking about photos - and someone tried to steer him over here to see your stuff. It's fun - what with photos of the water so deep that there were waves on it.
Thanks, and don't stop -- it's finie.
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more water
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looks like this may have been a handfull to drive
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nice car
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Avanti
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Wendover is over there
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Here is a pic of Ermie's last turbine car that the Fergusons now have. As all of Ermie's cars were, beautiful!
Rex
Boy you could have fooled me! I thought it was the world's coolest Banquet table!
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The picture with the picnic table and the Avanti is before the freeway was built. Imagine if all of the traffic we now have on the interstate was on the original highway. it would be a mess.
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The EELCO liner in the photo is not the one in the Stateline Casino. That car, the Wee Wee Eel, is much smaller and the exterior was restored by the USFRA. This car in the photo is in the Speedway Motors, Museum of American Speed in Lincoln, NE. and you can google the site for hundreds of great photos of the collection.
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sorry about the info on the EELCO liner :?
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anyone have any info on this :?
Yes I do Gary, The car entry is Higginbotham-London-Auld, class is E/S. Engine is 120CI Chevy II, turbo'd. My first attempt at turbos.....HHMMM! Had the same troubles with it as I did with my current car. Getting the fuel to match up with the boost. It did set a record....not a fast one but a record nonetheless.
It ran again in '64. If anyone wants to know more about it please send a note and I'll fill in details. It was a rather unique car. Thanks for the info Jim!
Skip
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redhead 1967
there's a pic i've not seen before.
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It looks like Lufkin's car behind EELCO.
Number 400 is Neil Thompson.
FREUD
that's the 'liner that mel chastain was driving when he was almost killed in 1970.
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neil's comp coupe was one of my faves back in the 60s.
great pics gary!
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The B & N roadster has been completely restored a couple of years ago.
i shot when the b&n modified was inducted into jim lattin's museum in 2008: http://picasaweb.google.com/montywolf/120BNModifiedRoadster# (ftp://http://picasaweb.google.com/montywolf/120BNModifiedRoadster#)
here's one of them:
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the b&n modified roadster gets its induction: http://montywolf.blogspot.com/2008/03/road-trip-b-modified-roadster-part-1.html (ftp://http://montywolf.blogspot.com/2008/03/road-trip-b-modified-roadster-part-1.html)
don't let the music scare you! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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It's amazing how we all overloaded two-wheel trailers and are here to talk about it.
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Dads Stude,didnt set any records but looked nice
it sure was a beauty!
is this the same stude' that we ran in 1971?
here's the pic you shot of me inside the engine compartment when we had to change oil between record runs.
it was so difficult to take off the firewall so we could get to the oil filler tube that i got really stiff... my body not... well... never mind.
i think it was steve and maybe jive ass who picked me up and stuffed me face-first between the fender-well and engine, handing me one quart of oil at a time.
since we're talking about the b&n bad guy crew, they were all telling me there wasn't enough time to get me out. so, they were going to close the hood and if i heard any rods knocking around i should bang on the firewall to let duane know the click it off. :-o :-o
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Silver (natural metal) #360 lakester was indeed a Markley. Tony Baron had it for a while and sold it. It is now in Huntington Beach and been up graded to current specs. Has a blown flathead in it.. May come back..who knows............
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Silver (natural metal) #360 lakester was indeed a Markley. Tony Baron had it for a while and sold it. It is now in Huntington Beach and been up graded to current specs. Has a blown flathead in it.. May come back..who knows............
Doesn't John Swanson own it now? I think he was the one who bought it off Tony quite awhile ago. Glad it is still around.
Tom G.
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lvsalt...I really enjoy these old Bonneville pictures. They bring back so many memories. I am responding to the Corvette #246 B/G...is Geisler, Lindsley & Pate. (Bruce Geisler & Jim Lindsley, 1967 I think).That is my pink roadster in the background, I am in the seat and wife Margaret standing along side.
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The #360 lakester had a bird cage chassis and was told to Tony he would have to up grade it to the current tube size for the roll cage etc. As I recall he didn't want to do the up grade. I think John Swanson still has it will check with Jack Underwood and find out a little more. Love the history, great memories.
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What's neat about a thread like this it brings out a few of us old guys that were lucky to have grown up with the sport and were on the salt or the lakes when much of it was happening. The photos trigger a lot of forgotten cars and people. Digging into my files brings back many memories. A lot of people like Skip Higgenbotham that has raced for a long time and is currently running a streamliner that was designed for 3 engines and 4 wheel drive. As you can imagine there is a lot to it. Many others that visit the site have a wealth of information like Monte, Jim Dincau, Wester, Freud and many others. We are the lucky ones and sharing things with you makes us feel good.
The pictures that Gary has taken a lot of time to post is having a ball as well to the response he is getting. LSR is special and this web site is a history book happening.
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Jack Underwood said that the belly tank is updated and just setting in Swanson's garage. Don't know what the plans are for now. At least it's still around.
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The EELCO liner in the photo is not the one in the Stateline Casino. This car in the photo is in the Speedway Motors, Museum of American Speed in Lincoln, NE.
My dad works for Speedy Bill. Here's his place: http://www.museumofamericanspeed.com
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Calkins, my wife and I went through it about 6 years ago. It was not quite complete but we got a private tour. What a lucky day and a must see by any racer of any motorsport. A wonderful collection.
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Jack Underwood said that the belly tank is updated and just setting in Swanson's garage. Don't know what the plans are for now. At least it's still around.
Thanks Glen for checking with Jack. Glad it is still around.
Tom G.
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Greg, not the same stude as in 71
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is this the one Mr Bryant?
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B&N sponsored bellytanker of Allen-Parke-Griffin, Poped a blower
in 66
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one more same car
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55
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same car
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Gary,
This is so Cool!!! :cheers:
Thanks for sharing!
Geo
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Im just happy to be able to share Geo :cheers:
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Greg, not the same stude as in 71
i wondered because the red one just looked too nice.
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Calkins, my wife and I went through it about 6 years ago. It was not quite complete but we got a private tour. What a lucky day and a must see by any racer of any motorsport. A wonderful collection.
:cheers:
I got the guided tour over Thanksgiving '08, and this past Thanksgiving, my dad took me in after hours to see the Tony Nancy 'Wedge' dragster that Bill just bought. After that, we talked with John MacKichan about some of the new engines that have came in. John's a pretty cool cat! He has a nice 'liner too!
MacKichan-Shulz Streamliner:
http://www.museumofamericanspeed.com/Collections/Vehicles/IMG9511.shtml
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heres a nice shot
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Ivsalt. Thank You for sharing your photos. Very enjoyable.
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I have a few left still to post
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Wow, I was off a week and a bunch of great pictures jump in here. Thanks for sharing, this is what this thread is about so keep them coming Gary. Freud, you are way behind on your quota... and the rest of you need to start digging in the old shoe boxes as well.
What a great way to expose our history.
Skip, tell your stories here, we all want to hear them.
Thanks for sharing :cheers:
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1985 Speedweek Pix I finally got around to scanning
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Couple More
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Rick & Nolan
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Don Vesco tried these wheels, didnt work.
I believe Al Teague ran as a Lakester and Streamliner at this meet.
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Great photos! Thanks for posting them! :cheers:
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alright rocket :cheers:
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some studes
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another
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stude
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Dads stude (Kingsman racing team, Fairfield,CA)
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Dads Stude 71 B&N power spun at 230mph+ record at 193mph
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how bout some more studes
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I think the same car :?
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another
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feel free to comment on any of these cars, I really dont have any info on most
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bug
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ranchero
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corvair
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B&N modified (this may have been posted before,sorry if it has)
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I don't think I've seen that one yet.
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101 Ranchero was Big Bill Edwards, the Mayor of Wells, I believe. I think the tonneau was the reason for the current wording.
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The foto of Vesco was when it had the Offy in it. I think it was called SKYTRACKER and had the two wheels mounted outside the body, mid
ship style, and ran as a car.
That was also the configuration when he crashed it.
FREUD
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That's right Freud, I believe he put "normal" rear wheels/tires on, got sideways and the extra wheels he added to make it a car dug in. He was hauling, as always, and lucky to get away with that one.
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Dads Stude 71 B&N power spun at 230mph+ record at 193mph
i could be driving the station wagon following the push truck in this picture; could be elmo or marcia, too.
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ranchero
the #101 ranchero is big bill edwards' turbocharged somekindachevy.
i knew bill from hanging out at ak miller's where he managed the enterprise, where they did all the turbo work.
bill used to break something every year. his solution: more horsepower. not sure how fast he ever went. but, i remember it coming alive one time when it didn't come apart and it scared the stuffin' out of bill, aka: the mayor of wells.
many stories about bill and wells!
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Gary, great shots. Love the old shots. I didn't get to Bonneville until '85 as I lived east before that. Here's a Bad Stude from that race. I also have a '79 ZX that I will turn into a race car when it fails smog....
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coupe
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another
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the fire system caught my eye, not sure what car it is, appears to be in a roadster :?
when were on board fire systems required? this slide is from 66 or 67
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Peek bros
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Stewart
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another
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another
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motor change
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another
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Ok guys,if you know the cars feel free to comment.
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another 606
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296 3-window
i liked it much better in blue!
i never knew his partner, but i did know tom hutchinson; he taught me the "art" of bench-racing!
he also gave me a lot of parts.
those rear magnesium halibrands, for instance; those are mine!
very similar to lattin & gillette, they not only raced flatheads and small block fords they also set records.
i know they had at least one record in e/ (i think it was gas) coupe & sedan; pretty sure they had at least one x record.
according to the picture, they were running a blown (what tom used to call) "fathead"!
i cannot remember if they were running a blower on the little 260 or not, the poor little thing.
for some reason i think i remember they were more successful running the "fathead" than they were the small block.
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the peek bros. always had nice sh... uh... stuff!
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these pics give me chills!
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keep spittin' them out, gary!
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some more roadsters
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another
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more for you guys to id
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roadster
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Good old STP. No one I knew used the stuff, but we all had STP stickers. I had one on my skateboard.
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The 606 roaster is Mike Stewart's I remember it well.I hate to ask but do you have any pic's of the #66 Stringfellow&Lee roaster It was the one with the funny car type body?
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just checked,no #66 sorry :-(
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Speaking of photos -- since that's what the thread is about -- I'm in the process of putting together a show for the local Engineers Club - where Nancy and I will do a presentation this Wednesday.
How the heck am I supposed to pick out 100 photos - from the thousands I've got? Man-o-man, what a task - shall I show this one, with the driver's compartment of the Burkland car, to show how crowded yet carefully thought out things are -- or shall I show that photo of George Field's Trackmaster with the front wheel tubs? And on and on. I've got 132 in the folder right now - and I think I'll just let 'em rip at random instead of trying to sort -- just too danged many.
And then there's the projector. I got a brand-new Epson EX31 to display the photos - and can't make it work with the Apple computers. Heck, when I first started trying to hook it up - and had to call Epson's help line because I couldn't find the correct cable in the box -- I got Sanjay (or maybe it was Rashid, I don't remember) and after ten minutes of hemming and hawing he admitted that he didn't know how to hook the projector to an Apple, and why don't I call Apple's help line?
So I did, and eventually got the correct cables (I think). But today's the first time I've tried hooking up the 'puter to the projector - and nothing makes it through the little wire into the projector. Crap!
Stay tuned. If I don't throw the whole shootin' match out into the snow I'll let you know when I get it running.
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Thanks Ivsalt,I have enjoyed all the Pic's your starting to make me feel old because I remember so many of them.I wonder all them old car are at today?The Stewart roaster was a 200mph car back then.
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The 606 roaster is Mike Stewart's I remember it well.
actually, mike's dad was killed in this car while he was "tuning-up" in the boonies on a well-lubricated saturday night at el mirage. this picture would have been from the days when mike was a pup and jack was driving.
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couple more
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another
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another
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another,sorry for my lack of comment,more later this afternoon
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Over the years we have lost some great one but we wiil never forget them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Over the years we have lost some great one but we wiil never forget them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
back when i was a rod rider we had "the jack stewart memorial award" for which i don't remember much of the criteria for reception.
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found a couple of #66, this one from 1970 (i think) :cheers:
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mid 70's
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Would this body be legal today? One of my favorites
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Would this body be legal today? One of my favorites
bantams were american. but, i've not looked at rules in years.
here's a picture with it in the background, right side, on the porch behind the palm tree. i have no idea what lattin has in mind for it.
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76
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64
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im the little guy on the right 1970
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ardun sweetness!
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liner
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another
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88 means: bill burke
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L&C
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323 roadster
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707
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Would this body be legal today? One of my favorites
Tone has a Bantam. And there is another one running.
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229
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Would this body be legal today? One of my favorites
Tone has a Bantam. And there is another one running.
Thanks Rich
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another
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another
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White ?
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My Austin American (correct name) has been legal since 1970 in Gas/Fuel Roadster even tho the rules were changed 4 time to eliminate it. The Dees car was made illegal for the length of the hood after a few years. He then ran it as a modified. I had the body after his death and now Jim Lattin has it. Due to the "spare tire" being filled in, it probably would not be legal in any class today.
Amo Beard has a modified Austin, The Goldmans have one very similar to mine, and the Hudson Boy's have made one into a rear engine modified roadster. One from the past was Dave Kostella's which ran as a gas /fuel at the begining but set records as a Modified. Nearly everyone has put someone in the 200 MHH Club
One from the far past was Meb Healy's which was mounted on a Chevrolet frame and ran the Chev 6 with Chuck Potvin doing the driving. It was the first one to use a 32 Ford grille shell......My Hero......................JD
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Wasn't the Crammer/Taylor Roadster the first Normally aspirated Ardun to set a record over 200 in a Roadster? I think it was 201. something.
Tom G.
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BTW, John Cramer passed away on 12-27-09, when he was trying for the 200 club they broke on the return run. Just Bill Taylor got in the club.
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roadster
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another
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couple of lakesters
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another
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couple of lakesters
Check out that Wonder bar 60 El Camino in the back ground!
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more coolness, gary!
the #51 lakester is fred lobello's "ladybug".
here it is, looking like it could have been shot the following day. it was shot, however, the day we unloaded for "the world's fastest indian".
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Hey Guys, here are a few IDs
#131 red roadster is/was Fred Wilert's with blown Buick, later bought by my Dad Russ Eyres, late 60's ran s/b chevy.
Later sold to Al Teague after the return road crunch to re build the #76 roadster.
#119 is still currently running under the#831 owned by the Eyres Brothers of Douglas and Russ. Originally built by Lou Bingham
and Doug Eyres in 60 I think, before my time.
# 64 is the bill Taylor(short course starter)and the late John Crammer's fuel Ardun
#51 on reply 1053 I think is Fred Lobello's current lakester being currently restored/update to run in 2010 season,
and Greg's picture from reply 1055 is Fred's original Lady Bug in blue.
Guy's from one who has growing up in this sport THIS is by far my favorite post. keep up the good work and keep these pic's coming
Thanks Eric Eyres
San Diego Roadster Club Pres.
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ranchero
looks like one of the many versons of bill edwards' ranchero
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ranchero
the #101 ranchero is big bill edwards' turbocharged somekindachevy.
i knew bill from hanging out at ak miller's where he managed the enterprise, where they did all the turbo work.
bill used to break something every year. his solution: more horsepower. not sure how fast he ever went. but, i remember it coming alive one time when it didn't come apart and it scared the stuffin' out of bill, aka: the mayor of wells.
many stories about bill and wells!
i'lll drink to that! from bill to me ( when i worked there) recounting a 'visit' to Wells: "...they came barging into the room...yelling..."oh, your on her"...."
Monty, need to talk to you. When ever you can
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822
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822
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another
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another
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another
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fancy pit shade, Greg do you remember when the rim exploded? I was only 7 but
I still remember that.
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fancy pit shade, Greg do you remember when the rim exploded? I was only 7 but
I still remember that.
i forgot all about that until just now.
that sure was wild!
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Trying to figure out pics I hadn't posted.
1. I think this had an outboard motor, on it's side, chain driven to the rear wheel....anybody know?
2. I don't know this coupe. My bike running unstreamlined barely visible in back....only pic of it that way, that year (and only half shows).
3. On the motorcycle line (left side of the course). Always good to let your pit crew warm it up for you....you can blame whatever goes wrong on whatever they did!
4. Who's kids are these and what are they doing now? We sure were informal about pitbikes, in those days. Notice the tire collection in the back of the El Camino....one road warrior, one Class C Universal, and an iffy front rib. Probably all tube type, to boot.
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A few more pics
1. At the fine vacation lodging.... upstairs rooms meant you couldn't get your bike inside to work on it.
2. Norton Commando
3. Bud's center steering bike leaving the line, looking for the unstreamlined record and more Triumph money.
4. Webco 350 kitted Super Hawk ran about 100 or a little over. The reversed headlight put it into PS. Notice the mainstand lying on the ground... what a pain to get off of those old Hondas, with the rusted cotter pin on both ends of the galvanized tube. Sidestands were still ok, but unwired drain plugs weren't (as I recall, Hawks didn't have a sidestand...just the mainstand...my CB160 was the same way).
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See if I can kick start this thread again...
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Nice Flathead & Burkland
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IVSALT, get some one to help u improve your scans. You will enjoy it a lot more.
It's really pretty easy. This took 30 seconds.
FREUD
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Nice Flathead & Burkland
The yellow Flathead is Dave McCain & Ed Houtz.
Tom G.
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Found another slide in a different box. It's 1969 but I don't know the bike.
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That Bike is Don Vesco's with the twin 350 Yamahas, went 250 and shredded a tire. Cool, that is history for sure! :-D
Matt Guzzetta
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Where can I get an outfit like the lady is wearing in the Vesco bike photo?
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Joanne's Fabrics :-D Then all you have to do is find a pattern and sew that sucker up!!
Lynda
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Not good enough, Lynda. There are no fabric stores within a few hundred miles - except Wal-Mart's, and they're closing their fabric departments here and nationwide. And such fancy fabric wouldn't be at just any ol' store, no doubt. Gotta keep shopping.
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Jon:
No excuses!!!
http://www.joann.com/joann/home/home.jsp (http://www.joann.com/joann/home/home.jsp)
Mike
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they didn't have any, but....this place does!!
http://www.interiormall.com/cat/ndisplaycoll.asp?cl=Fabric&book=711
Might not be exactly what you want, but it's a start!! I already checked out Joann's
Lynda
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Hey, there's hope. Didja ever see the shirts that Robbie Cohn wears at the 2 Club banquet each year? Great stuff -- like some of the fabric shown on the link. One of these days I'll show you a photo of my pink house pants -- pink, with purple froggies sitting on green lily pads. The Maxton crowd has already seen 'em -- maybe Bville folks will get to see 'em in '10. Wow.
Back to old Bonneville photos now.
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yeah... humm.... not sure i really wanna see 'em slim..... kinda like that pix of Guthre in a speedo.... didnt wanna see that either....
Kent
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I've found a huge stash of old photos to share with you guys. You'll know more than I do about them, as some of you were there. I'll keep posting as I come across more.
Please provide the color commentary as you see fit and whatever stories you can share...
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(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/86.jpg).
Streamliner , this is a waaay cooool photo , sums up salt racing (to me anyway) , Comp Coupe , spectators in back ground , and can see the RUST already forming on the sills (rocker panels to the Yanks) of the push car. LUV IT , Keep 'em coming.
Cheers from Aussie , Bob.
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Roy Rogers?? Salt racer???
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SSS, you might want to try loudmouth Golf, John Daly's outfitter, they have full suits.
http://www.loudmouthgolf.com
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Hey Kent, somewhere in all my old stuff I have a picture of Guthre (a.k.a. the great Scott) in a speedo
and a crown on his head.........would you like a print????.............................................................
Love...B.B.....
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Now I know why I always liked Roy. Thanx for posting that.
Stan
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(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/Bobfalcon/86.jpg).
Streamliner , this is a waaay cooool photo , sums up salt racing (to me anyway) , Comp Coupe , spectators in back ground , and can see the RUST already forming on the sills (rocker panels to the Yanks) of the push car. LUV IT , Keep 'em coming.
Cheers from Aussie , Bob.
Bob,
that'll be Jim Travis in the coupe. Got a T shirt with that on that he gave me. Jim's as cool as his car imo.
Robin
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More Roy
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FROYD MIGHT BE IN ONE OF THE LATEST PICTURES
Not sure, since I only saw him once in person in ' 75
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:? :? :? Roy?,,,,,,,,or Frued?
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Bystander....u bugger. You must be a student of fine art to remember me.
Yep, U is correct. I hate the pants I was wearing but I recall the discussion with Alex VERY WELL.
Wind tunnels were the topic of discussion and I certainly 'member the principles and saw them in
use when Treit's streamliner was in the tunnel at Western Washington University.
Maybe Stan Beck will bring u to PS when we have lunch.
FREUD
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Freud,
You also made quite an impression on Alex. He kept your calling card safe for the remainder of his life...
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I would commit unspeakable crimes to get my hands on these wheels!
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I should update the info on the card.
I've moved onward and upward since then.
But I'm not going to.
FREUD
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Probly, actualy, more of you has moved downward than upward since then.
Stan
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I should update the info on the card.
I've moved onward and upward since then.
But I'm not going to.
FREUD
Me thinks you must be a pretty damn good photog...... 8-)
I can't imagine how difficult it would be to take a picture of yourself as you were riding by....... neckked :-o
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Not-so-mellow Yellows.
Can anyone tell us about Mel Hoy? These first two belly tank photos have his name on the back...
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More Mel Hoy... How low can you go?
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Not-so-mellow Yellows.
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Charles, Did you notice the "Ducts" on this Stude!
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Not-so-mellow Yellows.
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Charles, Did you notice the "Ducts" on this Stude!
Pino Ceccato and Bud Jones 1971 with boss 302 ford, 201mph on gas, might have been 1st doorslammer unblown smallblock
on gas over 200 :-o In addition to the ducts they had a big water tank and lead in the trunk.
JL222
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The 210 lakester is Rochlitzer before it became the Raspberry Rocket.
Them was a L O N G time ago.
FREUD
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Munro
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300SL
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CalCustom
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CalCustom
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I would be interested in a few copies of the Munro pic.. is it your photo?
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Yes, I do own the original photos and negatives. The 3x5 photo was scanned at 300dpi, but the photograph itself was the very heavyweight textured surface. A good clean scan wasn't possible, so I despeckled the textured noise out of the photo. I'm sure I also have the negatives to all the photos, but there are about 2000 slides and the same amount of negatives to go through, so getting you a good copy will take some time... PM me your e-mail and I'll get it out to you as soon as I can find the negatives.
ps: All the credit goes to Alex Tremulis for having the foresight to capture some amazing images...
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Mate!! I hope you don't get run over by the Burt-Bus here, but I would really like a copy of that Burt pic too? Sid.
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Grainy not grainy I dont care I like the image.
Could use a few 8x10.. I usually surprise a few buddies with them.
I can imagine the work to go through them or make prints.
Will PM soon, am on here pretty well daily..
One record no one can break... being first.. :-D
I was the first one in Canada to get them green bordered Menzie prints.. another cool pic..
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Munro
Bert I knowed hm real good.
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A Shoot Out long time ago.
FREUD
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WOW! What a great shot, Freud!
Brings back memories of the days of the quest for 300 on two wheels.
You are truly the Bourke-White, Eisenstaedt, or Adams of Land Racing photograpy!
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That group of photos is a treasure trove of history! Do you have a bigger photo of the 507 available? I have very few with myself included.
The photo of Freud and Alex Tremulis is great! I was lucky to get a photo at the same time as Freud, he got the set up and I just got a snap.
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I love the old photos, keep em coming!javascript:void(0);
Matt Guzzetta
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Matt is a real expert on Vesco history. For quite a few years he was deeply involved with Don. Actually, he is probably
the best source of information from that era. He even towed the 'liner on the trailer with his car, so he is totally on top
of that info.
The Vesco team was a fun group. Don was surrounded by a bunch of kids, everyone that is younger than I was, is still a kid.
It was wall to wall fun. Don wasn't adverse to any of it. In fact, he instigated many of the happenings.
As I remember, Matt and his wife, had their first child during that time. Something makes me think his wife's name was Sandy.
I'm probably a mile off base. She's probably still with him, no possible improvement in her leaving, and she's not to get
upset if Sandy was just a "side project" for Matt. Norma Vesco had this group around her all the time and she was a jewel.
The first year my son, Gary, went to the Salt with me, he spent the entire week with Don and Norma. It was a great relief for
me knowing where he was, no idea of what he was doing, but constantly protected by Don and Norma. He was on their CB most of the
week talking to the passing truckers. On the 800+ mile drive home, he "worked the band" all the time. I was blown away with the
grasp he developed with that group. His mother was shocked when he made several seemingly "innocent" statements at the dinner
table that came from his conversations with the truckers.
Matt, Mike Devlin, Murray Hoffman,"the stumpy monkey", were the backbone of the "slave labor" group but they certainly were on the
inside track of motorcycle racing for that time. When they weren't at B'ville, they were riding road racers that originated at Don's shop.
These are memories of a most exciting time in my life and everytime I recall any part of it I realise what a great era it was and
it's not just happiness that overcomes me but also a sadness knowing that that time will never be repeated.
Mike, Denis and Sam are living those experiences now but at a totally different level. God Bless them. I just wish I was part of
their adventures but it just wouldn't be the same. I'd probably trip over my walker.
FREUD
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FREUD, I just can't hear enough about those days! I love it!!!
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Matt, here are a few more. I'm SURE I've got plenty more, just give me some time to find 'em. What's the story? Did it go from 2 to 3 wheels, vice-versa, front removed for transport, or a totally different ride over the years???
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Slight modification to prior shot.
FREUD
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I think that #50 'liner was Bob Braverman's piece.
I don't remember what he accomplished but I do remember one time that he was riding a solo
750 Honda and needed some images of it. I was working for CYCLE Magazine that
year and didn't want to be providing images to his rag. (I don't remember the name of his publication.) But
I did shoot him and sent him the fotos and told him, NO FOTO CREDIT.
Several years later I had a credential problem at Daytona Bike Week and he bailed me out. That was more
than repayment. That was a saved trip.
Thanks Bob Braverman.....RIP
His wife, Barbara, was a piece of art. She had personality to spare and added to whatever scene she was in.
Barbara, Norma Vesco and SuSan McCarty were as enjoyable as any group of ladies on the Salt at that time.
FREUD
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Without digging into my archives to confirm I'm gonna say Bob Braverman's magazine was Cycle Guide about that time.
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Freud and RidgeRunner have great memories! I too have fond memories of those days and certainly of Bob Braverman, Cycle Guide publisher. I had rolled my streamliner whilst testing at El Mirage and had a non displaced fractured back and was not able to finish the paint and some other details of the car. Bob was building his motorcycle streamliner (beautiful job :-)) and he thought it would be fun to bring a 2 streamliner team to Bonneville and he was going to drive them both. He got Road Test magazine to sponsor the paint jobs and they really came through! :cheers: When we got to Bonneville, Bob had the same problem I did with the vibration of the Triumph 500 (Borrowed from Dick and Bill Love in Palmdale, it was Gene Romero's flat track motor) getting to the helmet and causing your vision to go grey...your eyeballs got rattled and you could not see....not a good thing on the salt :cry:
It looked like we would not be able to run the car when another great competitor, Bob Leppan, offered to let one of his riders, another great guy, Rosevelt Lackey, who still runs bikes on the salt! Rosie was short enough to keep his head off the head rest and was able to drive the car. He made 2 runs on Friday, the second run was 137.35 against a 142 record. The day finished and we were not able to make another run that year. Don Vesco offered one of his 350cc road race motors so we could go faster and that was the beginning of another great friendship and business relationship. I cannot say enough good things about Don, he was a rare soul and we were really saddened when he passed.
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The Vesco "Compound" with the crew.
Here are some pics of Bob Braverman trying on the streamliner for size at El Mirage. The Car had no tube chassis and was made with aluminum bulkheads and special polyurethane construction foam made by CPR Upjohn. We took it to El Mirage to get with the tech crew before we went to Bonneville, we had kept a running photo record of how the car was made as it went beyond the rules at the time.
There is no motor sporting event like Bonneville, just mostly good people willing to help "beat the clock"!
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Great stuff!!! These must have been taken right around that time...
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It's the car that's OLD, not the model.
FREUD
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Here's Rosie in the summer of '09. He doesn't look much different, does he -- well, except for being in awe of the girls on either side. I remember him telling me that I shouldn't send a copy of the photo to his house -- in case his wife saw it. . .
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Oh, man, Jon. Ya beat me to it with the shot of Rosie Lackey. I had a very hot, long coupla days at the starting line during the BUB meet last year...but it was fantastic!
Lessee here...got some photos somewhere...oh, here they are:
I guess I wasn't the only one gettin a little dehydrated. This poor guy just went and dessicated hisself. (No, not defecated, dessicated.)
Rosie with a very, very intense look on his face, just before he put the visor down for a run on the M-V Agusta.
I think the next one is Richard Assen trying to do an Evil Knievel impersonation
and finally, Jeff Tobey. I think he's requesting a table for 2 or maybe telling me that he's gonna stop at the Port-a-Potty. Not quite sure.
I really enjoyed myself doing that part of the coverage. The whole mess is here:
http://www.chevyasylum.com/lsr/bsf2009/bub/pix/Welcome.html (http://www.chevyasylum.com/lsr/bsf2009/bub/pix/Welcome.html) These are the picks of the pics...I'm slowly getting caught up on the backlog....while creating more like shooting a car show today. Anyway, I enjoyed so much, I'm gonna post 4 more after this,
But first, I wanna thank all the folks who've made it possible to get media credentials so that I CAN get these shots. I bow in your general direction. :)
More in a minit
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Second verse, same as the first...sorta.
Chris Carr explaining to Denis Manning which Port-a-Potty Jeff Tobey headed for,
Assen missing the apex of Turn 0. (What?)
Sam Wheeler gettin suited up.
Last but not...well you know...
Sam Wheeler wishing Chris call luck. It musta worked. Carr added 7 mph to the record.
Stay tuned for more stuff. Editing photos and developing html is my life...or so it would seem. Btw, I sell 8x10, 11x14 and 20x30 prints of these. If ya see yerself in a shot that ya just can't live without, send me an email (that will get faster attention than a PM) and I'll fill ya in on the details. I'm easy AND cheap. But don't tell my ma. She thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse...something respectable rather than a freelancer.
Again, all BUB 09 coverage (and thank you Dennis for keepin it goin.) is here:
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Ray? Hermans Hermits? You DO need to take a break! :-o :-D Hang in there! Crow.
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Ray: Only one "n" in Denis.
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Regarding Bob Braverman,...... Bob also roadraced sidecars in the mid 1970's with his son Mike as passenger.......He took the outfit to Bonneville and ran 125mph. with wife Barbara as passenger.....the sidecar chassis was build by Doug Bingham of Side-Strider in Van Nuys CA. and the outfit was powered by a very fast Kawa. 750c.c. two-stroke triple.........Bob's son Mike, just resently found the sidecar outfit and is planning to restore it to it's old glory..........In one of the early copies of Cycle Guide, Bob did a great story of our BSA A-65 roadracing sidecar..the first sidecar in N.America to use small 12inch wheels instead of the 16inch spoke wheels that were used at that point in time. Bob was a great supporter of all types of sidecar racing and helped move the sport forward in N.America.......................................
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A few more to ponder... Keep the stories coming!
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Leppan at the hotel
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Ermie at Hers
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Gabelich and Breedlove
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/BreedloveArfonscopy.jpg)
Breedlove and Arfons
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Redhead2.jpg)
Redhead
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Redhead1.jpg)
Redhead2
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It is as much fun seeing the old stuff as well as the new photos and stories! The vehicles and speeds may have changed, but the Camaraderie seems to be about the same. :cheers: The second year we ran my 500cc streamliner in 1971, the salt was not as smooth as the year before and Rosey took off well and then spun and flipped end to end just past the mile and it looked bad. When we got to the site Rosey was getting out of the car and apologizing for wrecking my car! He didn't have a bruise or sore anything, it was a great day! The reason I believe he didn't get hurt is the inside of the cockpit was contoured to fit the rider all the way, so there were no tubes to hit. Don skinned the inside of the Yamaha to approximate the same idea so you can not hit the edge of anything. Something to think of for sure!
Here are some more pics of the car after the wreck, there is something about having the body also being the chassis, not easy to do, but very strong.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Vesco-252-1.jpg)
This is from 1970 with Bob Westbrook working on Don's twin 350 'liner. Bob was a great fabricator and ran some record flathead roadsters.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/1971-Results-1.jpg)
Result of the Rosey endo, way better than we thought when it happened.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/1971-Results-2-1.jpg)
Another view of the car, note the "Rosey" on the drivers hatch....great guy.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/DV-Gina-BonneRevised-1.jpg)
Don about the 7 mile getting ready to have something to drink, he was a cool customer my daughter spent quite a few weeks at Bonneville, the first trip when she was about 6 weeks old.
Enjoy :-D
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Ray? Hermans Hermits? You DO need to take a break! :-o :-D Hang in there! Crow.
I remember that from 'Enery the Eighth...but it was just something that popped into my head. I was actually listening to Samuel James blues stuff when I wrote it. :)
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Ray: Only one "n" in Denis.
Yep. Yer right. It's good to have an online spell checker...even if it's a little unconventional. :)
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cool page 76 lets see some Al Teague :-D
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Anyone have any more pics of this car? Ermie's stuff was always a treat...
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come on Freud you have to have some Teaue some were. :cheers:
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I'm still searching and sorting, but here's a few more I know very little about (love that hearse in #1!)...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/5551.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/5552.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/1021.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/1022.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/1023.jpg)
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the old pix are really great.
keep 'em coming.
franey
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I'm still searching and sorting, but here's a few more I know very little about (love that hearse in #1!)...
The hearse belonged to Ben Jordan from Denver. We used it in 1972-1974, I think, as our tow and salt support vehicle. It was parked on the street at his car lot and a drunk driver ran into the back of it and totaled it. :cry: We sure had some great times in the old hearse. Stainless and I drove it to our USAF school on our last day. Our instructor did not see the humor in it. :-D
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Who's Modified Roadster is that? Thanks for the photos! :cheers:
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Great photos, keep digging, we want more... :-D
Freud, you are way behind on your requirements... start posting
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The 102 Modified Roadster was Chauvin Emmons' car. It still holds the C/BFMR record from 1974 (269.865 MPH). The car currently belongs to Freudiger & Cline. Jerry Jones, Monty Wolfe, David Halderman and I ran the car in 1976. It was the world's fastest roadster for quite a while.
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What year was this shot done?
It was done on film.
Barrett is the moderator. He knows the answer.
FREUD
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Regarding Bob Braverman,...... Bob also roadraced sidecars in the mid 1970's with his son Mike as passenger.......He took the outfit to Bonneville and ran 125mph. with wife Barbara as passenger.....the sidecar chassis was build by Doug Bingham of Side-Strider in Van Nuys CA. and the outfit was powered by a very fast Kawa. 750c.c. two-stroke triple.........Bob's son Mike, just resently found the sidecar outfit and is planning to restore it to it's old glory..........In one of the early copies of Cycle Guide, Bob did a great story of our BSA A-65 roadracing sidecar..the first sidecar in N.America to use small 12inch wheels instead of the 16inch spoke wheels that were used at that point in time. Bob was a great supporter of all types of sidecar racing and helped move the sport forward in N.America.......................................
Bob,
Is that sidecar Yellow and has a wing on it?
If so I have the engine from it..
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I would be shootin in the dark with a guess on the year of that photo. But I have to say that I just flew through an hr. reading and checking out these great old shots of Bonneville. Thanks everyone for the great pictures and commentaries. Is there more to come ?
This gave me my daily dose of inspiration.
Jimbo
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I suppose I might as well consider moving the old photos to the Photogallery on this site. It'll be a major project since I'd want to put the identifying commentary there with 'em.
But -- since we've got all the time in the world - SpeedWeek starts 100 days from tomorrow morning - would one of youse guys like the job? It'd require you to go through this thread and copy to photos into the Old Photos/History/Nostalgia section of the gallery. Wanna do it, someone? Let me know and I'll fill you in with whatcha need to know.
By the way -- there are 22 photos there as of now. We can do better than that, right?
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We will be leaving here 15 weeks from tomorrow. :-D :cheers:
Fred
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Oops, miscounted 14 weeks.
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a bit blurry but i thought some might enjoy :?
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my Dad 1971
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nice roadster
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roadster
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overlook
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mustang
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I would like more info on the little yellow 555 I Streamliner, perhaps a photo without skin, showing the cockpit, thank you.
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Who ran the mustang? We have #289 for the roadster (one of AK Miller's old numbers) Tony
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I am familiar with the Ball Point Banana and I NEVER saw the skin off of it.
It wasn't a car that garnered much attention because it never did anything except arrive.
FREUD
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All these great pictures and info got me goin. Spoke with Warner the other day and pulled a little more history out of him. The picture on page 9 by the honorable Mr.Stainless of the Tramp II has George Smith on the left, Dan Kinsey on the right and possably Floyd Baker in center-RIP- Shortly after that the bike with a new fairing did 226 and 239 on a one way, and broke Warner's record in 1992.
The picture on page 15 by the venerable Dr. Freud of the 3 Harleys - Leo Paynes ran fuel w/ Stock Chassis - Cook ran fuel w/ Altered Frame -
and Warner's ran gas w/ Stock Frame. The cool thing was all three set records that year.
Great thread - thanks for keeping it going. Being a Midwest Chicago teenager back in the early 60's the closest we'd ever get to Bonneville is reading and seeing pictures in the Hot Rod mags. I had a paper route and sold icecream out of one of those bicycle icecream carts so I had a few sheckles in my pocket to be able to buy the mags, and oh yes the plastic model car kits which I'd cut up and combine parts of different kits and fantasize about hot roddin. Then came the drivers license - oh the rest is history -
Jimbo :cheers:
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Regarding 555: I was there in 1970 with some 2-wheelers. My memory is not as dim as the picture but time will tell! :-o
This little car had a 4-cylinder outboard engine - wanted to run ~165. The driver got put in jail and I volunteered to drive it but the driver was 6'4" and I am 4'22" and could not reach the pedals. I wanted to cable tie some 2X4's to the pedals but you know how those tech-guys are! :-D
I only have the skin-less pic so I was glad to see the full version.
I hope the picture comes through - first-time poster - looooong time lurker!
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4' 22"? Must be a metric conversion error.
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Dave,
Welcome aboard. Hope to see more pictures soon and your aero expertise is always welcome.
Gary
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I would like more info on the little yellow 555 I Streamliner, perhaps a photo without skin, showing the cockpit, thank you.
There are several stories about Arnold and the Banana on this site. Search those words. Late 30's Evinrude running alcohol when he could get it running. Rope start.
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Great stories!!!
Here's a few to cleanse the palate before getting back to the machines, including the grader (or de-grader as it turned out). I think these are from around 1969, but those who were there would know for sure...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Underwater2.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Underwater5.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Underwater4.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Underwater1.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Underwater3.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Underwater6.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Underwater7.jpg)
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Im guessing 68 from things i have heard :?
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it was like that in 76 also................
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Im guessing 68 from things i have heard :?
between the deep water and the position of the entry road: i'd say it's 68.
"think shine in 69!"
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my first year on the salt 1970, im the little guy on the right
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lvsalt: What a great photo and I’m sure great memories you must have from that first encounter! No wonder why we have so many photos of the same cars on the same days...
Those colors on the Gyronaut are so bittersweet that I get choked up just seeing them. On the one hand, those 1970 colors represent the pinnacle of the Gyronaut’s capabilities. On its trial run, it was geared for 275 and timed at 264.5 with a 6mph headwind, which could have bested its 1966 record run of 245.667 by a full 10%. But on the other hand, they are also the colors of an unfulfilled potential as, on the following day, it was going 270 at Mile 4 and still accelerating when all hell broke loose. As Tremulis recalled: "Oh God, I felt as though I had been hit in the gut by a battering ram. The Gyronaut suddenly leaped off-course. Bob thought a gust of wind had caught him and he tried desperately to fight it under control instead of popping his chute to save himself and blow the record run. What he didn't know was that it was not the wind; the front suspension had disintegrated." When it was all over, Bob Leppan nearly lost his arm and had to undergo numerous surgeries and painful rehab over several years. Alex Tremulis felt personally responsible for Leppan’s pain throughout the subsequent years and shouldered much of the blame as he felt that the aerodynamics around the front wheel opening may somehow have contributed to the premature failure of the components and that he, of all people, should have been able to foresee the weak link. When he did talk about it, he spoke of the incident with a very heavy heart, even though he lived his life much as one of his favorite (mis)quotes: “The meek shall inherit nothing, PERIOD!”
Back to the first hand, here’s one of my favorite photos as it captured the crowning achievement of Leppan in the Gyronaut. This was taken on its next-to-final run, just after being clocked at 264.5…
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/LastRunat270mph.jpg)
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Streamliner,
I'm sure you will be glad to know that Bob is still going to Bonneville. sometimes with a bike and sometimes without. I talk to him every couple of weeks and he is still full of enthusiasm and still wants to put something fast on the salt.
Thanks for the picture and the memories. Because we ran during speedweek and the streamliner was running on private time we never got to see any of it's great runs.
Gary
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1970 was not a good year on the salt with bob and mel chastain being severely injured and noel black losing his life; seems there was something else that happened that year.
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streamliner, i sent you a message
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roadster
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Because we ran during speedweek and the streamliner was running on private time we never got to see any of it's great runs.
The Gyronaut was able to run on private time due to Tremulis trading aerodynamic consulting time to Goodyear for Walt Arfons' Wingfoot Express in exchange for new LSR tires and salt time for the Gyronaut.
And here's one of my other favorites of the Gyronaut. It's old school meets new, side-by-side, both headed in different directions but with one common goal. So many contradictions and similarities in one image. It almost appears as if the Gyronaut is spying on the immortal Munro, looking over his shoulder to keep tabs on what's going on...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Munro-Gyronaut.jpg)
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Here's a "heads up" for those of you that enjoy these old photos: I've got a few people working on getting as many of these, as well as a bunch of others, into the Photogallery (accessed through the tab near the top/left of the home page). Sometimes, I warn you, the gallery crashes -- but it's usually up and running. Anyway -- we're going to try to archive every photo we can find - so you don't HAVE to go one by one through this or other threads. If you've got photos you'd like put into the gallery -- let me know and we'll find some not-too-inefficient way to get them from you to the Photogallery. Thanks.
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Slim, I am afraid that the gallery will restrict one of the great features of this thread: the ability to comment on a picture
and then add one of their own.
I haven't looked at the gallery for a long time. I may be completely off base.
If I'm wrong, I would vote for my punishment being a delayed start at Salt Talks with the Vulture having the first
whack at the donors.
Since when did efficiency enter into the behavior of us LSR folks?
FREUD
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Have you called her yet?
FREUD
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Slim, great idea. :-D
Freud, what's to prevent someone from posting a pic here from the gallery and commenting on it? :wink:
Both ways have advantages... jmho
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Just an extra step.
I can live with anything but I just think about attending a museum.
Where do you post your comments as you walk thru the place?
FREUD
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I like Freud's point. What's really needed is some way of systematically adding pictures that are posted on the forum to the gallery under the appropriate title. Sorry SSS, I just know this involves a whole bunch more work. :evil: :evil:
Pete
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I can live with anything but I just think about attending a museum.
FREUD
LOL, good point...
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Whats the deal with logging on to the photo gallery?? It wont let me!!
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#89 modified
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another
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102 modified
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another, in these old photos i always seem to be the little guy on the right,thats
my brother with me.
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The crew of the Ball Point Banana
The hero driver is standing in the upper left corner (headless) and his crew is doing the housecleaning.
Remember, Saintless and GoNutzKey tried to tow him to a record.
Her pit pass says 1974.
FREUD
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102 modified
Gary,
That yellow car in front of the 102 Modified is the old Deeds & Saderup Modified Sports Car. It is currently owned by Korey Bligh, who is a crew member for Marlo Treit.
Tom G.
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You didn't believe me, did you????
Keep your eyes on the pit pass.
FREUD
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About the Burt Munro pic.....wow....memories. I was at Burts pit one day, and he was showing me around his bike. He showed me the little rectangular hole (seen in the hinged panel over the engine) and told me he had a little knob on a rocker arm that he could feel against his belly...to use as a tach.
To tell the truth...I STILL don't know if he was pulling my leg! He certainly did (joshed me good) about some other stuff, and left me wondering for over 40 years.
I'd say my biggest regret in life, is that I never did figure out how to build a time machine. Pictures like this one leave a fella' wishing, don't they?
Thanks, JimL
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I love these modified roadster pictures! :cheers:
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You didn't believe me, did you????
Keep your eyes on the pit pass.
FREUD
Kathy is Arnold's sister, still living in New York... Punky was the other sister I think... her grandson is a member here.
CRS moment... don't know if I relayed the story about them driving from New York, stopped for gas in the old camper along the way and the Banana and trailer was not there... :-o back tracked and found it along the side of the road... just popped off the ball in a construction area...
:cheers:
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I'll say it again -- we know that the Gallery has been acting up. We're working on making it reliably easy to view. As for adding photos -- I'm still learning if everyone can add 'em or if it's only for me (and selected others that I've recruited). After we know that -- I would like the "add comments of your own" to be open to all so we could easily get them with the photos. We'll letcha know.
I think I'd be wise to have the addition of photos remain inn my bailiwick - so we don't have Mr. Smart-axx adding photos of his old granny while nude swimming or something. Send the photos to me and I'll get 'em up there. Comments will, once we figure out how to do it, be open for you.
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as an old grampa, i have no problem with...
oh...
wrong thread.
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Kool old photos... looking around in the back grounds of the photos are very interesting and telling of the day
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For being such a little banana, that 555 sure shows up in a lot of places! Since the yellow matches the tow car, and it sounds like it didn't really get off the trailer much, I guess that the matching color was chosen so that at least the combo would look good. I think that may be all the pix I've got of it (I still love the hearse, though... and that 901).
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/901and555.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/555ontrailer2.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/555ontrailer.jpg)
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Finally, some Motion I pix. But these may have been around before. The side view says Reyes/Callaway on back and the shot of Tremulis and the yarn says Peterson Publishing. For 40 years I thought these were Goldenrod… I guess that shows just how much I don’t know :? I’m still looking for more personal Motion I photos from Alex, now that I know what I’m looking for (thanks, lvsalt!)…
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/MotionI1.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/MotionIandTremulis.jpg)
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oh, steve: these are just too bitchen!
i have never seen either of these pictures!
seems to me that i remember seeing pics with the yarn in place; maybe when i was at bert's and noel's shop in sacto in june of 1970.
keep 'em comin'!
i can't wait to see what other gems of alex's you may find!
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Greg,I agree great shots of a real racer from the past. A few of us knew him.
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Great photos Steve! I have never seen these either.You notice the gap in the body panels, I spoke with my dad and he said Noel didnt have a piece of material long enough so he used that in order to get the car done for 69. Panels were correct for 1970.
Thanks for posting Steve.
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You notice the gap in the body panels, I spoke with my dad and he said Noel didnt have a piece of material long enough so he used that in order to get the car done for 69. Panels were correct for 1970.
true hot rodding!
as i remember, strips of aluminum were used to fill the gaps.
this was low-bucks land speed racing at its essence.
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Very cool, that is what this thread is about.... keep digging guys there is plenty of gold to be found.
Thanks from all of us
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ok.
i think i need to hear back from sprenger to confirm this, but i think i'm remembering more about alex and the yarn.
i'm almost certain that these two pictures belong with each other.
here's how i remember the story:
alex taped down the yarn and the photographer went down the wrong side of the course and shot this picture.
i wasn't with the car in 1969. i seem to remember only two runs on the car that year, the second being at 352 mph.
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335mph in 1969, 352mph in 1970
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Greg, you are right about the yarn story also, I have an old magazine that describes it just like you have.
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335mph in 1969, 352mph in 1970
that's right.
was it one or two passes in 69?
i was at the 7-mile on the pass in 69 when noel blew a tire; that sucker i think i could see every side of it when it went by me at about 200 mph. i'm sure jerry kugel got a really good look at it as it went by him parked just off of the course.
i think noel got it stopped around the 8-mile.
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Greg, you are right about the yarn story also, I have an old magazine that describes it just like you have.
that's too bad they never got that little bit of insight.
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That’s some great history. I am deeply moved at how these old photos come alive through the stories and recollections of you guys. Without you, these images may have been seen as just another old car photo – it’s your sharing your past that truly adds color and dimension to these pics…
As far as the following Gyronaut photo goes, I found some related pics shortly after I posted that changed my whole view of that photo…
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Munro-Gyronaut.jpg)
I interpreted this photo wrong. Apparently it wasn’t the Gyronaut spying on Burt Munro, it was the Gyronaut in awe of Munro. Here’s Pete Politis (Gyronaut pit crew and Chrissie Tremulis’ brother), Munro, and Chrissie and then Alex Tremulis in Ventura at the Tremulis household. I had no idea that their mutual admiration at Bonneville had forged a friendship off the salt as well!
If ever there was a time to be a fly on the wall…
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/peteburtchrissie.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/peteburtalex2.jpg)
About the Burt Munro pic.....wow....memories…
...I STILL don't know if he was pulling my leg! He certainly did (joshed me good) about some other stuff, and left me wondering for over 40 years.
Sometimes when two like things get together there’s a harmonic convergence that takes place that is bigger than either one individually. Alex was also well-known for his practical jokes, which (thankfully) contributed to the end of his career at Ford in 1963. Imagine being the victim of the combined wit and wisdom of these two – you’d be left wondering for over 80(+) years!!!
ps: Munro was wearing the same shirt as in the following well-known photo (author unknown), which may help to date this visit:
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Munroshirt.jpg)
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steve: i hope you realize the files, etc that you have is some very important history!
i can't wait to talk to you about what you have; i have an idea to give alex the notoriety he deserves outside of the automotive community that may interest you.
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Wow, just ....wow.
Put 'em in a book....write stuff underneath them and sell them.... I don't think I'd be the only person who'd want one.....
The Pete, Chrissie, Alex and Burt shots are really really good, man , look at her face, ha ha , that tells ya something......she'd be wise to his charms ....he should have had a fence around him....if anyone has seen the doco that Roger Donaldson made in the 70's that comes with the DVD version of World's Fastest Indian they'll know the scene , the interviewer asks a woman , "hey, what do you think of Burt Monroe?", she laughs uproariously and says " Burt? he's a dirty old man, but he's nice with it"..... and true to it, everyone loved him.... he ran everything close to the edge. When my mum saw the film she said " I don't know that he was much of a family man" and I said "na,probably ,but he sure did make a lot of people happy"..... and there he is , and those people with him sure look happy....
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Great Pics Streamliner,keep them coming :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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I need help with these...
That's Alex Tremulis explaining something to Mickey Thompson just prior to a run, and then again in the pits. I can't find anything on the Car #68, which looks to be a FWD modified roadster (or would this be considered a lakester?). If these are in the right order, then the bucket of parts means the car didn't do what it was supposed to do. If they're reversed, then what happened with this attempt after the car was fixed? I presume Alex was doing another streamlining project with M/T for this car. There are no credits or stamps on the backs of the photos...
Does anyone have any more info or photos on the car/project? And that engine(s)??
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Tremulis-Thompsonincar.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Tremulis-ThompsonCar68.jpg)
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This looks like either one of his indy cars modified or the parts from one of his indy cars built into this lakester. The engine looks like the 3-valve stock block SBC from 1963 that he had indy. Great pictures!!! Tony
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more great pics, steve!
assuming that these pics were taken at the bonneville nationals, that car would be considered a lakester.
i don't believe that i have ever seen pics of this car in that configuration.
i agree that it does look quite similar to mickey's indy car.
i've long enjoyed this thread. but, now that you're going through your uncle's photo collection i'm excited every time i see a new submission from yourself.
keep 'em comin', steve!
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I would venture to guess that this is Mickey's front wheel drive Indy car that ran with the 3 valve SMC engine. That would make it some where in the late 60s as Mickey, doing his usual, built both a front wheel drive and a rear wheel drive Indy car to see which was faster and as long as he was doing that he also developed a 3 valve, DOHC all alumimum small block Chevy for the engine. Talk about a lot of things to work on when you get to the Speedway!!
BTW if you want one of these engines Don Ferguson has several blocks and head sets in raw castings in his shop.
Those are some really great pictures!!
Rex
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Ahhhhh... It sure does look like M/T's 1967 Indy 500 attempt (from www.thompson-motorsports.com/indy.html (http://www.thompson-motorsports.com/indy.html)) that did not qualify.
Even more things to work on: this car was also All-Wheel Steering!
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/1967MTIndyCar.jpg)
I think Alex had heart surgery in 1967. You can see the well-healed scar under his left arm. So I think these indeed must be from 1969, give or take a year.
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I think these must be from 1969, give or take a year.
i'm just gonna toss out a guess of 68. then again, mickey was contracted to ford and was running the 69 mustangs at the drags and on the b'ville 10-mile endurance oval (or was it still a circle then?) in 1968.
i'm also gonna guess that this was during a private date and not the nationals.
again: just guessing.
in some ways the lack of info on the pics - the mysteries of alex tremulis - adds to my pleasure in seeing what you've been sharing. but, i can certainly see your frustration as you try to compile all of this.
but, as you said on the phone yesterday: it is a labor of love!
oh, yes!
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This is a from 1964 Speedweek - Pat
(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/BonnevilleSign1964.jpg)
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Don Johnson and Jeff Shipley's Fuel Lakester in 1963 - Don made the 2 Club with a 255.501 record. That's Past 2 Club President Roy Fjastads son Roy Jr. and Jeff sitting on the hood with my Pontic wagon behind.
(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/JohnsonShipley1964.jpg)
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Bob Herda's state of the art streamliner in 1964 SpeedWeek. Don Alderson of Milodon and Randy Scoville were part of this team. - pat
(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/BobHerda1964.jpg)
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Bob Herda getting ready to go 1964 - Could be Randy Scoville on this side of car. - p
(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/HerdaLiner1964.jpg)
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Looks like another stash of photos has been found :cheers: :cheers:
Never saw the Herda car run but definately one of my favorites.
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(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/MEA_023_JSColvin-Brewer-Hughes.jpg)
Right to Left: A 20 year old Pat Kinne and Don Johnson, hands on hips (so as not to get dirty) watch Roy Fjastad and Jeff Shipley doing the work after a "small Fuel Fire" at speed in 1963. The rest of these guys were from the Fontana area and a damn rowdy bunch as I remeber it. Jeff can probably throw names out. "Loud" Lyle Anderson was one. Pat
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I had heard so much about the Herda car from Skip Higginbotham---great to see it for my first time!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sparky - In my semi-foggy memory, Herda's car looked as good inside as it does out. The car was very aircraft oriented with the skin "painted" inside with zinc-chromate(?) and aircraft fittings etc. The downfall was an oxygen tank behind the driver, P
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He was Skips mentor and personal friend,
Skip feels the real thing that did him in, Herda would not put any DRAINS in the bottom of the car, didn't want to increase drag. Flamable liquids got in the bottom of the car, ignited and sloshed up front when trying to stop---O2 up front in the drivers compartment only increased the problem.
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Add a bad fire wall but the leak, solid belly pan, fire and the O2 tube were the killers.
FREUD
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Here's a few of Bob Herda's streamliner, some from November 1965, some from September 1963, and some from???
Nov '65
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Herda1.jpg)
Nov '65
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Herda3.jpg)
Sept '63
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Herda4.jpg)
Sept '63
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Herda6.jpg)
Sept '63
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Herda5.jpg)
?
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Herda7.jpg)
Note upper left hand corner of photo...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Herda8.jpg)
This car had lots of fans. It's hard not to read too much into this one...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Herda9b.jpg)
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Great Pics,
I like the coupe in the other lane in the lineup pic, 3rd pic below, any more on that one?
Cheers,
Rob
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i always loved this car.
i was a course steward at the 1-mile on bob's last run; very sad day!
i stumbled up this picture a couple of weeks ago while surfing the net.
i never knew bob, only met him one; the day before he died.
bob's 'liner was a "traditional" streamliner seen on both sides of the atlantic, but he figured out that you gotta have a vertical stab to keep that sucker straight.
so, i have to wonder if this is an early shot of the car in development.
not just the shape, sans stab, but the number (990d) is awfully close, too.
and where would this have been taken even if it isn't bob?
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just GREAT photos :-D :-D :-D
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I found some more Motion I from November 1969...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/MotionI3c.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/MotionI4c.jpg)
And then I found this one. If, in fact, the pro photographer captured everything from the wrong side of the car, then this may be the only one from the right side during the test runs. However, there's still hope. These were from a roll of Kodachrome Transparency, processed NOV69H2 and are slide numbers 6, 7, and 16. So there are still a lot of photos from this roll that are missing. My guess is that Alex would have given them to whoever was his primary contact on the team.
If you look at the numbers on the car, everything looks smeared at a 45 degree angle. I don't think the yarn was headed at that angle. So, if someone has a good way to eliminate that smearring effect, copy this pic and do what you can. You can still see the angles that the yarn is headed in as it would have been originally if you just look at each individual piece and mentally subtract out the smear. It looks to me that there is still some incredible information captured in this photo...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/MotionI5ac.jpg)
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Wow! More unseen Motion 1 photos, Also in reply #1224 the last picture Burt Munro, Noel Black admiring the Herda car. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Streamliner, these are absolutely magnificent.
FREUD
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I'm going to mention once again that David Woodruff and Bob and I are working to get the landracing.com Photogallery loaded with lots of photos -- maybe including some of them posted in this thread. If you have some that you'd positively like in the gallery -- make sure you let me know. I'll arrange to get them into the thing.
We're going to separate them by some time unit -- maybe like "Historical" for those we don't know the date, and maybe "60s" and "70s" and so on. And then there are the comments/captions -- if you have that information it'll make the Gallery even better. Let me know -- and have at it. Send your photos now and we'll get 'em posted all the sooner.
Later --
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Curse these DOD computers! I can only view a very few of these photos at work... What the heck do these guys expect from me? Work?
These old pictures are great though... I will have to kick Colleen off of Facebook if I want to look at them when (If) I get home.
Smitty... :cheers:
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(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/MEA_015_Johnson--Shipley-.jpg)
Found this shot of Jeff Shipley after the wad of guys trying to "Help" in the prior posted pitcure left - I think the empty beer cans speak for themselves - Pat
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(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/EdmondsCagleAlpenfelds1964.jpg)
Edmonds/Cagle and Alpenfelds in 1964 - This is how a Studebaker is supposed to look. As I rmember(?) it they run a big engine and a smaller one that year. Pat
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(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/HammondMcGrathWipp1964.jpg)
1964 Hammond - McGrath & Whipp REDHEAD on the way to 300MPH and looking good doing it - Pat
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(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/HammondMcGrathWippp.jpg)
The best "Art" shot I can do of the RedHead getting ready to go.
Like most of you , the only chance I got to shoot photos was
waiting in line to run the lakester - Pat
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(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/Roy1964Speedweek.jpg)
Past Bonneville 200 MPH Club President Roy Fjastad in 1964 - we were all a lot younger then!!! Ask Freud.
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(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/HammondMcGrathWipp1964.jpg)
1964 Hammond - McGrath & Whipp REDHEAD on the way to 300MPH and looking good doing it - Pat
bob mcgrath drove off the line without a push to a speed over 300 mph then drive it all the way back to the pits just like your average 1964 station wagon.
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Pat, John Edmonds Studebaker is my all time favorite. He was constantly changing the car, and my favorite was when it had painted (?) grills on it. For anyone interested in a great interview with John, you can buy the dvd DREAMS OF LEGENDS which is a five dvd set, with one about Bonneville and another about the dry lakes. Check em out at www.Dreamsoflegends.com. Bob
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more GREAT photos PK, Thanks for sharing :cheers: :cheers:
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Pat,
If you Google "lakester for sale" you will find the 48-B for sale in , of all places, Butte,Montana for a mere $500,000. Now that's a dreamer.
Doug :-o
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WOW, this has been old Bonneville picture heaven. The rest of you guys need to get into the shoe boxes...Sharing our history is the best way to preserve it.
Thanks guys.... now may we have more please... like small children we are never satisfied :-D
:cheers:
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When's the last time I told you that we've got a guy working to move as many photos as we can get - into the Photogallery archive off the home page of this site? I'll mention it again (see above sentence) to remind you that these photos are going to be there permanently - as well as here. Dave is working to move 'em - and we're hoping that he'll find enough information on each one to properly caption it, too. We might end up having a select few of you working with us on the captions - folks that know lots about them, so we can have a bit of data as well as the photos. Stay tuned, and keep checking the gallery.
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Help...I want to post a 1950s picture of the Pierson Coupe that have a couple of guys pushing it. Would like to ID. I don't know how to attach the picture... Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Thanks
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Help...I want to post a 1950s picture of the Pierson Coupe that have a couple of guys pushing it. Would like to ID. I don't know how to attach the picture... Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Thanks
tom:
when you are adding a post, like the one you posed above, click on "additional options" below the message window.
click on the button next to "attach" that says "choose file" and dat's all ya gots ta do.
i know you've got a war chest full of pics, tom.
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Tom, when you are scanning, be sure to get them small enough to post. Each picture needs to be less than 500K and the total of pictures in each post less than 500K.
Good luck and let's see the collection
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I'll go Stainless one farther, Tom. If you've got a batch of photos (or even one and it's giving you fits) you're always welcome to send it to me or to Stainless or someone that will offer to help. We'll figure out how to post it and get it in view for all to enjoy. We've got "alternative" methods available. Hi to Margaret.
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so, i have to wonder if this is an early shot of the car in development.
not just the shape, sans stab, but the number (990d) is awfully close, too.
and where would this have been taken even if it isn't bob?
I think #990 is the car that was named "the original goldenrod" an old timer that was resurrected and ran again in the 90's
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=293364
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Thanks to all for the help. Let's see if it works...IDs needed.
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Now the faces are easier to see.
FREUD
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Fantastic thread! Thanks to all for the beautifull and interesting photos.
Maybe someone has more information about this one ((from a french magazine).
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Fantastic thread! Thanks to all for the beautifull and interesting photos.
Maybe someone has more information about this one ((from a french magazine).
!965, Wilhelm Herz used his streamliner with 350 and 500 cc NSU motorcycle engines to set some records. He also had his Delphin 4 at the salt, a new, similar than the Delphin 3 dust bin motorcycle which he used in 56 for to be the first over 200 mph on a bike, but aerodyndamic improved version. He run the car between the runs of the big battle of Art Arfons and Craig Breedlove for the outright record - but the course was to bad to ride the bike. He used the car later in Germany on the Autobahn and at Hockenheim for some more records - especially acceleration and longer distance records.
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Good Job, Pork Pie.
FREUD
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Thank you PorkPie... Some photos of the NSU streamliner here:
http://www.wilhelmherz.de/htm/gal_rekorde.php
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(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/WeeWeeEel-1964.jpg)
Eelco's - Wee Wee Eel in 1964 - Car is now at the Stateline Casino, up stairs. Not sure hot fast it went but small and pretty sneaky looking - P
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(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/Elco-WeeWeeEel.jpg)
Wee Wee Eell gettng ready in 1964 - Pat
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How about this one...
Car (probably) or Bike 333, I'd guess 1965 to 1970. I assume RR Down and RR Return means it was a record run on both Tuesday and Wednesday. What/who's was it :?
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/333TimingSlips.jpg)
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I believe a 3 digit number like that would have been a streamliner
Kent
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I believe a 3 digit number like that would have been a streamliner
Kent
must be a streamliner, that's a big jump in speed from the 3-4. :cheers:
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Stream - According to my 1963 Results sheet = 333 was Ermie Immerso's "Thunderbird" Streamliner and he ran 303 that year in "A" - Pat
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Thanks, Pat! That makes sense... That was Alex Tremulis' first year at Bonneville following his Ford demise, and he was learning everything he could from everyone and helping out anyone who looked like they needed help.
This was the very start of a friendship with Ermie that lasted for the rest of his life. I know the two worked closely on several projects, not only the first Thunderbird, but Alex also did design work on Ermie's final Thunderbird II, the one that looks like it's now owned by the Fergusons(?)...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/9-25-63ImmersotoTremulis.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/11-6-63TremulitoImmerso.jpg)
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photo on reply#872 Ermies #333
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Can somebody identify this one?
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Nolan White's entry in what was called the "sports racing" class ?
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And Now For Something Entirely Different -- This is what we did after getting blown out for our RETURN record run in 1964. Fred Murphy had a chance to get it done in Don Johnson's lakester with a 260+ down run (3 runs in those days) and then the wind came up to stay - end of deal. After trying to kill ourselves on a creeper, it seemed safe to just slide along on your Keds. See below. The scabs from his forehead and forearms only took three weeks to fall off.
(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/FredMurphyGettingSet.jpg)(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/HangingOn.jpg)(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/FredMurphyChuteRide.jpg)
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I'm sure the empty Coors box had something to with the tumble.
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I like the STP Bonneville Nationals shirt. Someone needs to reproduce those. Retro shirts?
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Sliding with your feet in the box proved to be a lot slower than the creeper but the beer did help with the perception of speed. You may notice the black line to the left - this stunt was pulled near the starting line. Rumor has it that Freud was a young spectator to this mayhem. Heck of a tail wind on the return if they had let us run! - Pat
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Nolan White's entry in what was called the "sports racing" class ?
Didn't they have to have 2 side by side seats installed for that class?
Tom G.
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Oh yes Tom and you wouldent torture your worst enemy with the seating arrangements in any of them that were purpose built for the class. They eventually morphed into gas streamliners and the class died out after Jack Lufkin put all the records through the moon. The people with Ferrari road race cars and Austin Heally's with v-8's in them couldent keep up.
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I as a young boy had to seat in that car with rick White to prove it was a two seater !
I still don't remember how we got in or out, but I was first and Rick got in second, Me Parents have a picture of this some where, I do remember the roll bar down tube wedged
between my shoulder and right ear. Wish I still flexed like that . That car endedup around 318 mph. at one time head lite/tale lites mirrors, and a horn all worked.
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Pat, that parachute adventure happened on the road from the pits to the starting area.
The wind was from the mountains toward the dike.
Those creepers were lethal on the spectators ankles.
The pits were by the dike side and we accessed the salt from the (# ?) mile post on the old highway.
Hang a left and over the shoulder of the highway to the salt.
Remember the small wooden bridge across the ditch?
Way before the freeway and lands end.
FREUD
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Lufkin's car from November 1965. Monty, you mentioned that Alex had something to do with the canopy design on this car. I would venture that these were Alex's study photos from which he could look at the streamlining for the car. He was also a HUGE proponent of enclosing the wheels in fairings dating back to his 1939/40 Chrysler Thunderbolt show car, so I wouldn't doubt if he had input into the new wheel fairings as well. Anyone have any more info on Alex Tremulis' involvement with Jack Lufkin???
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/LufkinFrontWendover.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/LufkinSideWendover.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/LufkinBonneville2.jpg)
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Jean Hébert, the French pilot of the Renault "Etoile Filante" died récently at the age of 85. He ran the streamliner at Bonneville in 1956. The car is still in France.
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The chute hadn't even been packed after Marcia's record run that put her in the 2 Club when this was taken.
Over 30 years ago.
FREUD
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“Big Red” prior to its being turned into “Silver Bird” (303mph) prior to it turning into “Lightning Bolt” (318mph). A special thanks to Rick Vesco for the info…
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/vesco111.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Vesco111TimingSlip-Front-Back.jpg)
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FYI: Got all the pictures (851) harvested, sorted and burned to a CD from this forum - in the mail to Bob this week for posting.
Keep 'em coming - I will try to keep up! :-o
Not really possible to sort by years - mostly unknown (only SW1966). I subdivided by MC and Thrust. I schmoozed some of the pix a bit and we can restore them to their former dilapidated state if you prefer. Comments will take some time but I will peck away at it. It's great stuff to read anyway! I know the bashful ones among you will let us know if you are not happy with my selections!
537 additional pix from me! SW1970, SW1975 & SW2007. (Still some more to scan - somewhere!?)
1388 total pixs coming soon to a web page near you!
I think my eyes are crossing now! :-D
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FYI: Got all the pictures (851) harvested, sorted and burned to a CD from this forum - in the mail to Bob this week for posting.
Keep 'em coming - I will try to keep up! :-o
Not really possible to sort by years - mostly unknown (only SW1966). I subdivided by MC and Thrust. I schmoozed some of the pix a bit and we can restore them to their former dilapidated state if you prefer. Comments will take some time but I will peck away at it. It's great stuff to read anyway! I know the bashful ones among you will let us know if you are not happy with my selections!
537 additional pix from me! SW1970, SW1975 & SW2007. (Still some more to scan - somewhere!?)
1388 total pixs coming soon to a web page near you!
I think my eyes are crossing now! :-D
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I certainly appreciate your efforts.
I fully understand your plight.
Now someone is going to ask, "U got any more pictures?"
FREUD
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I wonder what Woody's going to say when he gets the three CDroms of photos tht I got from Jon A. when I bought the site. "Woody, please go through all seventy-three zillion photos and put those that aren't in the Gallery already -- on it."
Then, once he's recovered from that -- then I'll send him my files from the 'puter at the house -- about 4,000 more.
Let's all thank him and Bob and get ready to enjoy more photos in one place than we've had before.
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Boy, that is REALLY alot to look through.....All my photos from my first (and, naturally, life changing) trip in `84 are all still wedged in the photo album, with some hand written commentary.....I hesitate to try and post some here, though, as I still think that `84 is too new.....anything from `70 and earlier, well that stuff really does it for me....
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(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/MarkDees-RacerBrownExpress.jpg)(http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab332/Pat-Kinne-Salt201/Bonneville%201963-64%20and%20Indy%201969/MarkDees1964.jpg)
These were taken in 1964. Driver was Mark Dees and the Racer Brown Express. My foggy memory runs out of detail but I think it was Chevy powered - a little help here would be nice - Pat Kinne
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I believe it was Hemi powered and they broke the engine on the return run. There was a nice write up in Hot Rod on the build back in the day. I believe this car is now owned by the ex Mr. Bullock. Tony
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You needed shoes with steel soles to enjoy this jewel.
I've posted it before but I don't think it was this image.
FREUD
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Here is a requested photo.
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High School Hudson Project from Everett WA.
The beginning of the Hudson Boys.
FREUD
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Boy, that is REALLY alot to look through.....All my photos from my first (and, naturally, life changing) trip in `84 are all still wedged in the photo album, with some hand written commentary.....I hesitate to try and post some here, though, as I still think that `84 is too new.....anything from `70 and earlier, well that stuff really does it for me....
KP, all pictures from the last century are acceptable for this thread. Many of the folks here are new, so a 10 year old pic is before their time.... :-D
I love the pictures coming out of the shoe boxes, if you have some pics from 84, please share them with us. I have posted some well into the nineties.
Remember all the pics here will eventually be added to the archives for our heirs...
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Thanks, Stainless....now I have to figure out how to make that happen.... :-o :? 8-)
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Love the pics of Carl Heaps truck, killing evey bug in Utah plus changing the axis of rotation of the earth all in one pass. Man that thing made some power!!
Damn I miss that truck!! and those guys!
Rex
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And the push truck ran the quarter in the 12's.
Gary
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High School Hudson Project from Everett WA
The first time I heard about this was around 1991 when William (standing 4th from the right) and I worked a the same aerospace company. I can't remember Bill's last name. What year did they run the Hudson? Did they set a record, like fastest car with 4 High School students on board? :-)
Since they set a precedence for a HS at Bonneville there is hope for something other than Eco Cars in the future. :-D
Michael
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High School Hudson Project from Everett WA
The first time I heard about this was around 1991 when William (standing 4th from the right) and I worked a the same aerospace company. I can't remember Bill's last name. What year did they run the Hudson? Did they set a record, like fastest car with 4 High School students on board? :-)
Since they set a precedence for a HS at Bonneville there is hope for something other than Eco Cars in the future. :-D
Michael
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And the push truck ran the quarter in the 12's.
Gary
that would be th e push truck for the Phoenix ?
I viewed the Phoenix in the Truck museum in Auburn IN
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Found some of the shots of the early Phoenix.
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Here are two comp coupes. I took these pictures ~1987 or 88 I think.
I just had lunch today at the 200 mph club BBQ with Tom Bryant who's' original pearson Bros. coupe is shown first. Turns out Jim Travis was there too and his is the second coupe shown here.
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Carl had exhaust pipes down to a science.
Big and Shinny.
FREUD
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Here are a few more misc shots of cars we remember running.
Some day I need to get one of those thing-a-ma-gigs that will let me scan slides. Almost all of my stuff from the late 70's to the early 80's is on slides. :-(
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Mike Cook's T-Bird with Doug "cookie" Cook doing his thing on the blown fuel hemi. Too Cool.....
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Okay, switching gears a bit. These are lousey overexposed shorts from El Mirage ~ 1982.
Rodger Gate & Bill Ward ran this turbocharged streamliner on the dirt to speeds of 275 mph, on gasoline! :-o
Scotty's '34 was just oh so bitchen. 8-)
The last car is the Stringfellow-Miller-Lee car. It ran as both a lakester & a streamliner.
Sadly Dick Miller lost his life in a top end crash in this car. Miss you Dick. :-(
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I was wondering when you were going to post some of these. :cheers:
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Interesting you would post a pic of the Stringfellow/Miller and Lee car, I was there that day, and , while at Bruce Geislers today, I asked about the bent spindle mount Centerline wheel leaning against the wall....one of the front wheels from that same car. Bruce and Dick were good friends....
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what a find here :-D
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Looks like you were about 3-4 in that picture.... Nick about 5-6... of course by then you guys were salt veterans...
Trapper runs bike 410 and Nick runs 4663 if I remember correctly....
Oh I almost forgot, Nick the tall kid got in the 200 MPH Club in that car last year. :-o
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I know this is a long shot, but I was re-reading Don Montgomery's latest book - "old Hot Rod Scrapbook" - when I rediscovered Gene Hewitt's 32 roadster from B'ville 1950.
What makes this car unique is that it has a 12 port Chev 6 in the engine bay :)
I was wondering if anyone has any other pictures of it ...... its burning me up not seeing the car from the front :(
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The BUS With B.J.
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:-D
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Mike - I had the same problem with my slides - I finally took them to COSTCO and had them converted to a CD. Very inexpensive and quick service if you use their instore process. Very happy with the result. Had them do some 8mm Movie Film to DVD and pretty happy with that too. Only problem I have is it was 45 year old film with quite a bit of wash out in spots. Need to figure out how to edit it our for better viewing. Pat
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Old Bonneville Pictures have now been posted to the Old Photos, History, and Nostalgia.....! (Up to page 86) :cheers:
I will harvest and add comments as time permits! :-o
Also a new folder for Speed Week 2007 - look and see if you are in there! :-D
And check out the misc folder: Wendover & the Airfield. The museum is pretty interesting if you have never seen it!
Slim says he is sending me three CD's full to fill in my "spare" time! :roll:
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Unh, make that four, Woody. I've included one that I got from one of the Aussie guys -- the Lake Gairdner event from a year or two back. Might as well give them the recognition they deserve, too. You oughta get the package any day now.
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anyone have any info on this :?
Yes I do Gary, The car entry is Higginbotham-London-Auld, class is E/S. Engine is 120CI Chevy II, turbo'd. My first attempt at turbos.....HHMMM! Had the same troubles with it as I did with my current car. Getting the fuel to match up with the boost. It did set a record....not a fast one but a record nonetheless.
It ran again in '64. If anyone wants to know more about it please send a note and I'll fill in details. It was a rather unique car. Thanks for the info Jim!
Skip
I dropped you a line. The London in the entry is my Dad.
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You tire guys are going to love this...The Gates Liner ran Michlin XVS's a "H" rated tire to that 275 MPH. They were 28" dia on a 15" rim. They were Highway Patrol tires back in the 70's. I still have the set which I ran on my 40 Chevy and my roadster. His liner hid them real well. 8-) I talked to Roger a lot about then; ; that's all I"ll say about that. :evil:
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The fotos are where you find the opportunity.
My neighbor's Unkle ran a roadster at the lakes in the '50s.
When he passed his wife gave the trophy and the timing tag to my friend.
It's not B'ville but it is old.
90 MPH with a B Roadster, Oct 21, 1950 (Second Place trophy) and 96.87 MPH on 10-04-53 at El Mo, car 210,
Charles Oldham.
They will never be on e-Bay.
FREUD
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VERY COOL Freud!!!!! :cheers:
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Nice piece of history. :cheers:
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What was the B Class back then? As I remember, displacement classes were inverted to what they are now.
Stan
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The only thing I show is that in B roadster 4 and 8 cyls were allowed. Going by the speed I would think it's a 4 cyl. this is from a 1948 SCTA program. Most of the V-8 were over 100mph. Hope this helps. Enjoy the trophy and dash plaque. BTW this number was not in the 48 program
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Speaking of old Bonneville pictures, as this thread is wont to do -- Woody sent an email saying that he's gone through the DVDs that I got from Jon Amo and from the Aussies -- and is in the process of getting another 1384 photos into the Gallery on this website. It'll take a few days for them to migrate and get all nicely posted -- but they'll be there pretty soon.
Don't forget that we're soliciting comments and information about the photos. Speak up -- all are welcome. We'll get the comments and try to condense them to post (rather than let anyone put up comments -- gotta make sure the goofballs and koo-koos don't put in the wrong stuff).
Take a look at the Gallery and see what we've done. Woody will post about the new photos soon. This is just a pre-warning that it'll be better than ever.
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Sweet
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Floydjer - That's the saddest picture I have ever seen. FOUR FEET THICK!!! Nice job BLM = watching our backs (or stabbing us)? Pat Kinne
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that very same spot was measured recently at 1" (yes thats one inch) thick.... amazing stuff has happened over the years on the "mining project"....
kent
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I've wondered for 20+ years what was in those railroad cars leaving daily.
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I asked a friend of mine Dick Clark if he had any old Bonneville photos. This is the
Babler-Clark lakester in 1962. This car was the So-Cal Bellytanker :cheers:
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Here is a picture with the bodywork. Dick said it didnt work well with the bodywork. slowed the car down.
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and this i think is a GREAT picture. Dick Clark 1962 just got into the 200mph club. 2007 Dick is in the 300mph club. keep chasing your dreams!!!! :cheers:
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What great historic Bonneville Pictures :cheers:
I just went through this amazing thread the pictures and history behind each one it is nice to see this
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I found this.
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well..... did Ben Jordan ever get to race?
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My first trip to the salt with him was in 1973 we ran H/GT. He drove every year. Ben set the I/GT record at 120.872 in 1980, the record fell in 1992. In 1982 I drove the car Hydrogen powered as a time only entry. Martyn, Stainless and I crewed for him and helped him build car 1000 the Bockscar, which we still run today. Ben was a very interesting person and a great friend and mentor to us.
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Memories of the Late Bill Temple at Bonneville Speedweek 85, by Bob Sykes Jr.
Thanks Bob,
Tom G.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NwFNlJsjUM
Bill Temple and Frank Salzberg lay waste to one Hemi as they go after fuel roadster records. Greg Temple put the hurt on the D/Blown Fuel Roadster Record at 241 MPH in 1981 and hasn't been broken since. Some footage I thought some would like to see. They literally blew the first engine in half and exposed all the cylinder liners in the WE55 Windsor Poly block after experimenting with a Nitro and Nitrous Oxide combination. This is the kind of thing that goes on at Speedweek.... Experimentation
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First met Bill at SW1970 - a great guy! My pit neighbor at SW1975!
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Did you notice those sturdy single axle trailers that they towed with?
They were rolling works of art.
FREUD
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OK finally had one view, so here are some more. Everyone feel free to post their old pictures on here, my photo skills were limited with the $10 camera I used for years, so you real photo takers jump in with the good stuff. (Ferd, that's your que)
The Barber-Nichols Steamin Demon was after the steam powered record.... FIA, SCTA, AAA, USAC they didn't care who timed it as long as they went faster that the standing record. They did! They may still be the fastest steamer... :-D
Heres a photo from my files showing the "steamer" heading down course.
Burly
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While all those collective memory cogs are turning, this is the perfect excuse to ask if anybody can date this pic from the Don Fetherson book - Heroes of Hot Rodding. The caption says it's Ak Miller who set a class C record with an early Cobra. It's Ak OK but not a Cobra. Ignoring the nostril intake, the nose shows that it's actually an earlier AC Ace fitted with a 260 motor. I had a bit of a rummage around and found out that AC shipped at least one Ace minus engine to a US buyer some time in the late 50s. Could this be it I wonder. And if it is, is begs the question, did Ak (who knew Shelby for sure) get there before him to create a 'Cobra' or was he inspired by Shelby to drop a Ford motor into an Ace he just happened to have handy?
Robin
Robin, here is a photo I took of Ak's ACE at Bonneville. I think the year is 63 but it could be 62. As I remember, he was inspired by Shelby to create this Bonneville special.
Burly
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Was the Karmann-Ghia a Benham car like the Ill-Eagle Crosley?
Yes, but powered by first an air cooled VW and then later, a 1500cc watercooled Fiat. Ron had an Opel GT nose mold and built a few different front ends to adapt to various cars. Don "Dingus" Watkins drove the Ghia and Rons son Norm pedaled the Crosley. Ron also created the Pontiac Tempest 4 powered lakester shown below.
Burly
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strange, any info :?
The picture is one of Washington University's "Viking" homebuilt vehicles built and raced under the direction of Dr. Mike Seal, whose classe's have produced a series of "Viking" projects over many decades. The silver one was powered by watercooled Volkswagen engines. The photo below is a Viking equipped with a VW Dasher Diesel engine.
Burly
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Robin, here is a photo I took of Ak's ACE at Bonneville. I think the year is 63 but it could be 62. As I remember, he was inspired by Shelby to create this Bonneville special.
Burly
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Hi Burly
great pic and thanks so much. Seems like it was indeed 63. Managed to get hold of a letter from Ak saying that it was an old Sebring racer which he modified bit by bit until only the chassis tubes were AC. He then ditched the body for a Devin so the letter says. So if anybody out there has a Devin with two inch round main chassis tubes it could well be all that's left of a Sebring racer.
I'm told that Jack Lukfin helped Ak build the AC. Does JL use this forum or does anybody have contact details. Thanks again Burly.
Robin
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Gary Gabelich - 1978.
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I can't remember how many times it took to get the picture without the chute upside down...They didn't do it in one take...........
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Does anyone remember Larry Taranov from Vancouver, British Columbia ? He visited in 63 with his Meteor. I would sure like to make contact with him if he is watching. Also Jim Seabridge of the old Stewart and Seabridge Wheelers team and Dick Zook.
Burly
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Can anyone identify this car ? If so can you tell me the owner/driver, type of engine, year it ran and top speed ?
Thanx
Burly
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That car was sponsored by Motor Trend magazine and ran in about 1959-1960. I may be wrong but I think Don Francisco's name is on the canopy in the picture I have of it.
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strange, any info :?
The picture is one of Washington University's "Viking" homebuilt vehicles built and raced under the direction of Dr. Mike Seal, whose classe's have produced a series of "Viking" projects over many decades. The silver one was powered by watercooled Volkswagen engines. The photo below is a Viking equipped with a VW Dasher Diesel engine.
Burly
Which one is this? Looks somewhat like the Viking II but there is a picture of viking IV on the salt, but doesn't look to be it.
http://vri.etec.wwu.edu/cars.html
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I can't remember how many times it took to get the picture without the chute upside down...They didn't do it in one take...........
Today it would only take one take and they would just photo shop it!
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Here are a few more pics from 62 & 63.
Enjoy............
Burly
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Summers Brothers polywog in blue and red in 62 and 63.
Burly
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In 65, we were rained out until Thursday. On Wedsneday for entertainment, my buddy Gary Edmon and I took our Vettes out into the puckerbushes (near todays Roads Bend !) and with timing stop watches borrowed from a Sports Car Graphic magazine writer on-site, put on a 'slalom' or gymkhana. The Alfa, Bugeye Sprite and the California hot rod were just some of the bored racers and spectators who joined us. I remember a silver Stingray coupe and a Falcon out dodging the sagebrush pylons as we all let off a little pent-up steam. I always wondered what these salt racers used for air cleaners in the dust ?
Of interest was the spectators hot rod as it was powered by a Ford Fairlane small block V8, quite unusual in the Chevy powered world of it's day. Does anyone recognize the particpants ?
Burly Burlile
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Ah memories............
The Patio Motel was home to many racers during Speedweek and repairs to race cars and engines were performed both outside and inside the rooms. What I like about this photo is the note painted on the trailer, 'Wells, or Bust' ! Wells was what is now called a 'tourist destination' for out of state travelers and references could be found scribed on race and push trucks as well.
Burly
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Nice photos Burly :cheers:
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Nice photos Burly :cheers:
Very nice... 8-)
In 65, we were rained out until Thursday. On Wedsneday for entertainment, my buddy Gary Edmon and I took our Vettes out into the puckerbushes (near todays Roads Bend !) and with timing stop watches borrowed from a Sports Car Graphic magazine writer on-site, put on a 'slalom' or gymkhana. The Alfa, Bugeye Sprite and the California hot rod were just some of the bored racers and spectators who joined us. I remember a silver Stingray coupe and a Falcon out dodging the sagebrush pylons as we all let off a little pent-up steam. I always wondered what these salt racers used for air cleaners in the dust ?
Of interest was the spectators hot rod as it was powered by a Ford Fairlane small block V8, quite unusual in the Chevy powered world of it's day. Does anyone recognize the particpants ?
Burly Burlile
Did anyone notice how solid the surface is? This was during a rain delay, near the bend... It looks like there is good salt out there with the puckerbushes...
All that salt is across the road :|
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Stewart & Seabridge Hemi powered roadster in 62-63.
Burly
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The early sixties at El Mirage and the salt.
Burly
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I have heard the builder of this fast Corvair now lives in Minden, Nevada. 62-64
Burly
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Corvettes in62-65.
Burly
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I have heard the builder of this fast Corvair now lives in Minden, Nevada. 62-64
Burly
He may have moved to Oregon, I have been to his house an was very impressed with a copper water jacketed corvair motor sitting in the corner of his garage. He said 450hp (Tom) last name starst with a K but i forget how to pronounce it. :?
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Record still in book.
F/CGC Clean Air Corvair Tom Keosababian 08/74 173.090
DW
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Great photos, notice the gantry in the Stewart & Seabridge pits, :-o
"Should be ok, just flip it over"
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Great photos, notice the gantry in the Stewart & Seabridge pits, :-o
"Should be ok, just flip it over"
Galvanized fence pipe is almost as useful as duct tape! My dad made a roll bar for a Jeep out of it. :-D :-o
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Record still in book.
F/CGC Clean Air Corvair Tom Keosababian 08/74 173.090
DW
Thats him Dan, Also had a framed letter on his wall from Zora Duntof (spelling :?) from Chevy admiring the work he had done with the Corvair :cheers:
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Odds & ends from the early sixties............
Burly
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Record still in book.
F/CGC Clean Air Corvair Tom Keosababian 08/74 173.090
DW
Thats him Dan, Also had a framed letter on his wall from Zora Duntof (spelling :?) from Chevy admiring the work he had done with the Corvair :cheers:
AND A WONDERFUL RECORD IT IS.
26 years later we were running comparable speeds with the Merkur with Jim driving. Bigger but slippery er. (maybe)
He really had it together.
I really admire work like his and wish I could have been around for it.
So much history, so little time
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Variety is the salt...........
Burly
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I have heard the builder of this fast Corvair now lives in Minden, Nevada. 62-64
Burly
He may have moved to Oregon, I have been to his house an was very impressed with a copper water jacketed corvair motor sitting in the corner of his garage. He said 450hp (Tom) last name starst with a K but i forget how to pronounce it. :?
I knew I saw it somewere, it's in the book ''turbochargers'' by Hugh Macinnes in the water injection chapter ran on propane
had 450 hp at 6700 rpm in 1974 :-o
JL222
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Record still in book.
F/CGC Clean Air Corvair Tom Keosababian 08/74 173.090
Just a small correction here -- the record is in F/CBGC -- Classic Blown Gas Coupe.
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You're right Stan. My ego did not allow me to edit my post before sending.
DW
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I guess that's a presidential perogative.
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Record still in book.
F/CGC Clean Air Corvair Tom Keosababian 08/74 173.090
Just a small correction here -- the record is in F/CBGC -- Classic Blown Gas Coupe.
The pic in the Turbochargers book has #145 F/SC ? whatever SC stood for in 1974.
The Clean Air was the propane it ran on.
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Stan,
Ballots not in yet - Mickey Mouse could be a write in. Meg still has some money left, one tv ad and its over.
DW
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DW, You have to use the correct name "Mortimer Mouse" for the ballot to count, just ask McCowski. :mrgreen: Tony
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In 1974 the classes were different. There were no gasoline classes for Streamliners, Lakesters, Comp Coupe, and Modified roadsters......They were real race cars and real race cars ran on fuel (or anything they wanted)
The addition of a supercharger of any kind bumped you 2 classes, so an "E" with a blower ran with a "C" naturally aspirated...Get it?
Now that you are confused the gas coupe had 2 separate classes supercharged and nonsupercharged: Thus C and SC . It was the only one that way, which is really what we have today.
Get this there was no penality in Streamliner for a blower...it was just inches...........Life was great, every one knew what a step pan was and the rulebook was real, real thin...Oh yeah my first year.......................JD
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. . . and most of the Street Roadsters had doors.
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I recently ran across some old photos of my dad's (Rex Wright) first trip to Bonneville in 1955. He, along with Bud Schmitt, campaigned a 2-engine Harley in that event. I ran across about 50 great shots of various cars and competitors. Also, some neat shots of 1955 Pikes Peak Race, as they caught it on they're way back to Indiana. I guess Pikes Peak used to run later in the year around B'ville time.... I'll post a few - hope you enjoy. The final shot is the 2-engine Harley and their pit area that year...for what it's worth, that's my dad with shirt off and back to us - he's 73 and still racing - went 225 mph in our Beretta a couple of years back.
Does anyone know the history of the car #171 in the first photo? It says Quincy Speed on the Hood. The roadster to its side, and the Caddy push car, both say Verkel Bros.
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The 171 rear engine roadster was out of the Quincy speed shop in Santa Monica Calif. They were involved in lakes, Bonneville and drag racing. A top team in all venues. The roadster behind them is Yeakel
Bros. also involve in the above venues. Early class acts and fast cars. Will try to dig up some of their speeds in the next few days. BTW, I was there in 1953. Great memories.
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Thanks, Glen - some speeds and info would be great. I've got a lot of photos in this group and I'll post more as time permits. Best of all, the photos are in outstanding condition. Really appreciate the feedback.
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Glen (he's older) beat me to the Quincy and Yeakel machines revellation.
Am really impressed by the clean workmanship on the Quincy Automotive DMR.
They also sponsored a belly - tank lakester sometimes raced by Bob Brisette, in which Bobby Funk was killed from injuries suffered driving it circa 1962 @ El Mirage.
The Yeakel Cad and roadster from my recollection should have been more a milky purple color in the photos. Maybe time has dulled the colors (like yrs trulys brain).
I'm guessing the great racer/businessman/SEMA founder Lou Baney was involved with the Yeakel entry.
Gotta LOVE the twin Harleys!
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I don't know if we have any fading or not? But, the Cadillac appears to be a match to the roadster - a machine gray car with white tonneau cover, while the Caddy appears to have same paint with white top and bottom. The Caddy has same flames as the roadster on lower portion and their Yeakel team logo on the door. I have a much larger pixel version I could send you via email if you'd like a closer look. Yes, the Quncy car is beautiful.
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Where was the driver located in that roadster?
JL222
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The 171 rear engine roadster was out of the Quincy speed shop in Santa Monica Calif. They were involved in lakes, Bonneville and drag racing. A top team in all venues. The roadster behind them is Yeakel
Bros. also involve in the above venues. Early class acts and fast cars. Will try to dig up some of their speeds in the next few days. BTW, I was there in 1953. Great memories.
Glen, that's awesome!! I really need to get out there and see your history of dry lakes racing!! :cheers:
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While looking through - I found another photo of the Yeakel roadster - this time it's being pushed by a matching (paint) Ford Pick Up. Also, you can see the LeBlanc Streamliner in the background.
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The Quincy roadster did not have a roll bar at that time, many didn't. He sat just forward of the tub area. The picture isn't very clear to show it.I show a record for the Quincy car at 204 mph, Haven't found the Yeakle runs in 54 or 55.
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The Quincy roadster did not have a roll bar at that time, many didn't. He sat just forward of the tub area. The picture isn't very clear to show it.I show a record for the Quincy car at 204 mph, Haven't found the Yeakle runs in 54 or 55.
Deffinately had to have some big balls to race at those speeds without a roll bar! :cheers:
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Many fantastic pics from the LIFE magazine archive here:
http://images.google.com/images?q=bonneville+1954&q=source%3Alife&biw=1439&bih=993
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Great link N72727. Do they have any more ?
Burly
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The Quincy Automotive type roadster is what I believe we were thinking of when the RMRs came back. And the Benham one. Take a look at this year's SpeedWeek program and see what happened.
As I remember, Quincy at one time ran a straight-up roadster in my favorite drag racing class -- A/Hot Roadster. Right, Interested?
Stan
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Larsen & Cummings ? ? ? in the early sixties ?
Burly
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I am not sure who this might be ? ? ?
Burly
#146 was entered by Roger Shipp & Tom Spade in 1963, had a speed of 159.570 mph. Ran in the modified roadster class.
Glen
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Lot more roll bar than the others.
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Stan,
When the late Ron Benham approached me about a rear engine roadster class he claimed history. I told him if the cars had a 90" wheel base and rear swing axles he may have an opportunity. Ron was shocked, "those cars were unsafe" he stated. My response - Duh, in Homer Simpson's best style.
In a couple of years Ron had a set of rules, support of the roadster class guys and a car on the track to support his cause. A few short years later we have what we now have. A whole lot of problems and as of yet a good definition of a roadster.
DW
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Pete Samuelson, current FlatCad Racing member, way back when!
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Here are a couple more shots from dad's old photos - 1955 speed week.
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In the photo of the Yeakel Bros. car with the Ford push truck, you can see the top of Tom Beatty's belly tank along with the infamous '40 Ford panel. Way cool. The green Ford pickup with F.G. Ferre on the side is a speed shop from Salt Lake that was very involved in local racing. They closed in the early 80's. I wonder who he was pushing.
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Great information. I agree, looking at cars and push vehicles in the background is as much fun as the subject vehicle. I looked through the shots, and I don't see another photo with the FG Ferre truck. But, I did find another nice photo of Yeakel's roadster. I also took a quick glance through the program we have from 1955 and didn't find Ferre's name anywhere. Also, check out this old 'Vette...
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No, I don't believe this is a Cord. I suspect it is a Graham from the same body panels. I never saw the engine. Again, early sixties..............
Burly
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Great information. I agree, looking at cars and push vehicles in the background is as much fun as the subject vehicle. I looked through the shots, and I don't see another photo with the FG Ferre truck. But, I did find another nice photo of Yeakel's roadster. I also took a quick glance through the program we have from 1955 and didn't find Ferre's name anywhere. Also, check out this old 'Vette...
I think I see the Glass Slipper in one of those photos?
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Great information. I agree, looking at cars and push vehicles in the background is as much fun as the subject vehicle. I looked through the shots, and I don't see another photo with the FG Ferre truck. But, I did find another nice photo of Yeakel's roadster. I also took a quick glance through the program we have from 1955 and didn't find Ferre's name anywhere. Also, check out this old 'Vette...
I think I see the Glass Slipper in one of those photos?
I was expecting that observation from someone older :cheers: yea in front of the vett [maybe] :-)
JL222
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Great information. I agree, looking at cars and push vehicles in the background is as much fun as the subject vehicle. I looked through the shots, and I don't see another photo with the FG Ferre truck. But, I did find another nice photo of Yeakel's roadster. I also took a quick glance through the program we have from 1955 and didn't find Ferre's name anywhere. Also, check out this old 'Vette...
I think I see the Glass Slipper in one of those photos?
I was expecting that observation from someone older :cheers: yea in front of the vett [maybe] :-)
JL222
The Glass Slipper is in the NHRA Museum. Neat looking car and a lot of history!
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Here's a better shot of the car you're referring to, I belive this is the Glass Slipper...it certainly looks like a glass slipper! The hood says Capitol Speed Shop, Sacramento, California. The unique bike to the car's right front says Bulmer on the tank.
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Was there a canopy over the driver's opening on the Glass Slipper, or did it race open cockpit?
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Wildcat,
I believe the bike with the name Bulmer on the tank was Lloyd Bulmer's ~1950 350cc Velocette and that it held Bonneville records in the gas and fuel class around 1953/1955.
Harvey
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Was there a canopy over the driver's opening on the Glass Slipper, or did it race open cockpit?
The one that I've seen has a canopy. Maybe it use to run open cockpit before and changed later? Might have to wait for Glen on this one.
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The glass slipper ran with the canopy at the salt and at the drags strip. They also ran for FIA records on the salt. I very beautiful car and a great bunch of racers.
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#148 C/A is indeed a Graham, It was raced by Ken Logan, my brother Mike and I. The entry name was "Scavengers Car Club". It had a 354" injected Chrysler in it and ran 157.89 MPH.
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jdincau
Thanx for the enlightenment. I always liked the car and wondered. Now, directly from the source some 50 years later I have the answer.
Again, thanx.............
Burly
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Burly,
Do you have any more photos of it? I have none from Bonneville only drags and construction.
Jim
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who else noticed the 2 seater T-Bird in the background of the Yeakel roadster Pic?
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I keep seeing the two-wheel trailers and get scared just looking at them.
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Yeah and it was pretty amazing what we took with us and survived. The towing speeds were about 30 to 40mph making it a long trip even from Los Angeles.
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Jim, just send me a PM with your email and I will send copies of photos of the Graham I have. Unfortunately, those are the only two.
Good to meet you.............
Burly
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I thnk you're right, Glen, as the group from '55 still gather at my shop occasionally, and laugh to this day about their trip to Bonneville. All of the practical jokes, tricks, etc.. played on one another during the trip. Part of the crew was in the service, they took leave from their base in Texas and showed up in the pickup shown below, the balance left Indiana in the '50 Olds Coupe, shown here Rabbit Ears Pass. I know my dad said he left with $26 in his pocket. Slept in roadside parks, and then in an empty hangar down at the air force base durng speedweek. Great stuff.
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Here's a shot of the "Devil's Arrow" form '55 Speedweek
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Here's a couple of neat machines...
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There are hints of a '29 Ford cowl on that one. Must be a modified modified roadster.
Stan
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There are hints of a '29 Ford cowl on that one. Must be a modified modified roadster.
Stan
early early lakester perhaps?
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I have heard the builder of this fast Corvair now lives in Minden, Nevada. 62-64
Burly
He may have moved to Oregon, I have been to his house an was very impressed with a copper water jacketed corvair motor sitting in the corner of his garage. He said 450hp (Tom) last name starst with a K but i forget how to pronounce it. :?
keosababian. used to live in whittier too
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The #120 is Jim Culberts D/Lakester and the coupe is Don Minards Comp.coupe. Both out of San Diego. The lakester ran 195.mph, still looking for speed on the coupe.
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Glen --
How big was "D" back then?
Stan
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306 to 488 cu/in
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Here's a better shot of the #120 D Car.
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Looks like he took an old Indy racer and made a lakester out of it?
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Very reminiscent of the Huth/Hilborn "streamliner
Rex
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Culbert was the owner of CAE in San Diego and built lakes roadsters but the big part of the business was sprint cars and parts for them. Culbert was one of the first cars to go over 200 mph at the dry lakes. I heard he built over 400 sprint car frames.
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Culbert was one of the main sprint car builders in California at that time.
Pete
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You're too fast Glen! :-D :-D :-D
Pete
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Pete, they call me speedtimer for a reason, might be some other names as well,
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Here's a better shot of the #120 D Car.
Looks like Fred Lobello's lakester on the other side of Culbert's car
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Yes to all the above -- but I'm still seeing 28-29 cowl pieces, especially in the first shot.
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Hey don't bad mouth 2 wheel trailers....I used one until 1982. My roadster towed best on it never knew it was there... No springs and 1957 Buick hubs machined flat and welded to a plate. Paid $100 for it..............................................JD
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Just curious Glen .... what other names are you called besides Speedtimer?
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JOE, guess we will wait to see lol
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This is great stuff. Thanks to all. My first year was 02 so nothing to contribute. I have often wondered at the trailers and half ton pickups overloaded and pulling the race car. The trip must have been a real adventure in those days. Thirty to forty mph would add some travel time. Leaving home with 26 dollars in your pocket! Today one fuel stop costs at least a 100. Great stuff and thanks all. Vince
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Yes, I really enjoy hearing the old stories and seeing the old cars. It's amazing how much has changed - and how much has stayed exactly the same. Here is a shot of a nice streamliner.
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Does anyone know who owned this spectators hot rod phaeton ? I took the photo between 62 and 64, I thought the car had Utah plates, but since moving to Utah, I have never found a local street rodder who remebered the car. I have been looking to ID the owner for fifty years and any help would be appreciated. Maybe it wasn't a Utah rodder ?
Burly
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never mind
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Think you can find yourself-62-64.
Burly
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This is great stuff. Thanks to all. My first year was 02 so nothing to contribute. I have often wondered at the trailers and half ton pickups overloaded and pulling the race car. The trip must have been a real adventure in those days. Thirty to forty mph would add some travel time. Leaving home with 26 dollars in your pocket! Today one fuel stop costs at least a 100. Great stuff and thanks all. Vince
I don't know about this 30 or 40 mph stuff but I saw a video from the mid 80's, David Carroll driving coming down the grade
into wendover from Ely with the speedo on 90 :-) and I've heard stories of a 40 ford panel truck with a blown Olds towing a lakester that would make that seem tame :-o
JL222
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Tom Medlock, recently retired from Specialty Cars and I stopped by the salt on our graduation trip around the west in 1962, ran into some fellows I had met at Five Points Self Serve in Norwalk, Cal, where I worked, and were taken in as their go-fers for the rest of the week. The C/Gas Roadster belonged to Jack Stewart and Jim Seabridge and their kindness to a couple of teenagers influenced our lives greatly.
WE miss you Jack and Jim, whereever you are, I hope all is well............
Burly
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Do El Mirage images belong here ? Bruce G's infamous Stude in the late sixties, early seventies.
Burly
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Heres my favorite Nolan White photo-late eighties, early nineties.............
Burly
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Here is a memory from the camera of Mel Ellis who raced a 36hp VW bug to 94.40 mph in 1962. The Firestone Tire tent provided free tire swaps all week long so racers could try different tire diameters.
Burly
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More photos :?
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Changed my mind.
FREUD
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Changed my mind.
FREUD
With a clean one? :evil:
JL222
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-For speed events during the month of September in 1976 the US government minted some special commemorative coins or medallions---and presented them to various winners of speed events held in Utah.
-This may have been originated somewhat by the annual Bonneville Speedweek events---may have been Gold, silver and bronze for 1st, 2nd and 3rd for other events like oval track and drag and road racing etc
-I'm wondering how many of these special commemorative medallion/coins were handed out at the 1976 speedweek event----if everyone who set any record got one---or if only the top speed of the meet was awarded one.
-would it be possible for someone who had that great honor to post a picture of both sides of their medallion--and maybe explain some about the experience.
-if there was indeed Gold, silver and bronze versions would someone care to post up photos of the silver and bronze medallions also.
-thanks
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I set 2 records in 1976 X/Vintage Gas Altered and X/Vintage Fuel Coupe and the trophies had a 3/4 view of the 76 roadster of Sadd-Teague-Bentley in raised bronze. There were no medals that I ever saw or recieved
There was O of F classes back then.................JD
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They made some poker chips for a couple of years. The State Line or at that time it was called the Wendover Nugget
made a set of 4, 1999 as I recall was the 1st set.
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-thanks for the replies.
-But I am surprised.
-my story is that I owned an oval track limited modified car and we raced a two night event as separate class along with the sprint cars & supermodified at Bonneville raceway park 1/3 mile asphalt oval here in Salt lake City Ut.
-This was at a two day annual event called the Intermountain Championship and was won by Rod Furtado of San Jose in both 1975 and 1976--and was part of the August Speed festival, supposedly all major speed events within Utah during the month of August 1976 in which these bi-centennial medals were earned.
-there were 6 recipients of these medals at our race, Rod Furtado from San Jose, Alma Facer and Bill Madsen from SLC in the supermodified class---and Dave McCartney, Dave Fitzgerald and Chris Hendricks in the limited class.
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-Dave McCartney was driving a car owned by me and Elmo Wilkerson and Dave got a gold medallion, I think it was one full ounce.
-when they presented the medallion to Dave the US Government officials explained to us the medallions had been inspired by the long time presence of the speed trials at Bonneville, and was part of USA's effort to commemorate America's 200th birthday.
-We all got to look at it briefly but me and Elmo and our crew all felt that Dave earned it so he got to keep it---and we never got any photos or ever saw it again.
-McCartney ended up moving away and later on became ill with lateral sclerosis and died some years later.
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-after all these years I began to wonder what it really looked like---and was sure these same medallions would have been awarded to Bonneville racers---so that's why I thought this thread about old Bonneville photos would be a perfect place to display photos of the medallions.
-thanks for the help, I appreciate your responses, I am stunned that Bonneville participants would not have been presented with any of these medallions.
-Bill Jones (fwillyj)
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Bill,
If it was a government admisistered program are you surprised that Bonneville was left out?
DW
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-Well Dan---during that era of my life I had never yet been to Bonneville---but even back then I knew Bonneville was the holy grail of going fast--and from the way the officials explained it all to us was that these extra medallions that we were awarded was something over and above what they were presenting at Bonneville.
-the entire deal was a neat surprise to us---the way I remember it was: after the races here were over some people with these commemorative medallions came by our pit areas and presented them to us and the other racers---and explained what I have been trying to convey here.
-Actually this presentation for the 3 of us in the limited modified class happened at some race later in August---Furtado, Facer and Madsen received theirs at the end of the August 6-7th race.
-Could be that after 34 years I have some of it remembered wrong.
-I apologize for stirring up an empty pot.
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As JD mentioned, he did not recieve a medal for his records. I believe we also set 1 or 2 records with the Young Bros roadster and I do not remember any Olympic type medals.
DW
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Dick Beith was the 1st VW to ever race the salt in 1960. Set a new record of 77 mph.
Burly
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John Cramer at El Mirage early 50s. Car 342B. A 31 Chevy coupe with top cut off. Flat head. Might have Arden heads. License looks like 1949. These are all I THINKS. Some of you old farts add to this - I would love it. Bob
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From another old fart regarding the roadster, in the 1948 program it shows it entered in the B/roadster class, Johnny Cramer from the San Diego roadster club. Frame 32, 26T body,46 Merc @239 cu/in, milled,Thickstun manifold,Winfield cam Autolite ign. Speed on 6-05-1948 was 102.04 MPH
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I think Glen nailed it. But the front end, with the parallel (sorta)semi-elipitic springs coulda been Chevy.
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The car in the picture is not a 26 T body.
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You're right! But it's what SCTA now calls an "exact replica".
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The info I put down was out of the SCTA program. It wasn't like it was yesterday. Lots of the early day stuff is hard to find and I was lucky to have a couple of issues from that era. But it's still fun to look back in time and see what the hot rod world has given us to continue on today.
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Glen Stan this was Johns 27 which he went 201 mph with. Flathead Ardon. More thinks.. Photo by Bob Hardy. You might remember him. He shot for Hot Rod mag and others.
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I have these pics from my Dad when they went to speed week in 1955, I am sorry but i cont find the originals, I am thinking my dad has them. The story that he told me was he was about 14 or 15, they drove out in a 1954 Chev Station wagon, and they stayed at the base of the mountain in the back of the 54 just as you come into Wendover on the Utah side.
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More pics
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The last of them, again these are from 1955
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N°888 on the trailer is the "Le Blanc Special" streamliner. In 1955, driver Glen Pengry was injured in the crash of the car.
Would be nice to have the originals of your interesting pictures.
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N°671 is "Beast III".
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The Belly tank in the first pic the car number is 8G. I will try and find the pics at my parents home.
Clay
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Beautiful pictures, thanks for the look at history!
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RE: 1097&1098 Mel Hoy
I Met Mel at Bonneville in '76 and had dinner with him and his crew at the Hideaway a couple of nights. He talked about having some help from an engineer buddy that worked at Mcdonnel Dougles. They were working with getting downforce for traction and getting more air into the engine. You can see the turbulators in front of the scoop and on the underside of the body. His buddy wrote a computer program to optimize the toe and camber change for the rear swing axle to improve handling and traction.
Mel also talked about not having both ends pitch and catch air. "Tag down one end so it just handles the surface and let the
other wag only enough to get the job done" Mel said he tagged the front. The WWII style canopy was for vision as experiments with a bubble distorted the vision.
Although I can't verify it, Mel talked about going through the traps backwards at over 200 when a dirt bike appeared on the course and he flinched to miss it.
I was going to go out and check the car at his place but I heard he had died and got no response. Anyone know what happened to the car or the real details of what happened to Mel?
We
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Does anyone recall in the sixties or early seventies when someone went for a joy ride in the salt grader and the racers had to muscle it back onto hard salt ?
Burly
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Glen Stan this was Johns 27 which he went 201 mph with. Flathead Ardon. More thinks.. Photo by Bob Hardy. You might remember him. He shot for Hot Rod mag and others.
The car still exists, Bill Taylor (John's partner and and World famous Bonneville course starter) has it at home in Snow bound Minnesota. If my memory serves me right, Bill told me that John ran 205+ in '70 on his down run only to have the engine grenade during the run. They couldn't fix it in time and Bill was the only one in the 2 club with the car as they never ran it again in that configuration. It is resting comfortably now with a flathead in it.
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Yes, I know about the roadgrader and the evil do'ers. I've been sworn to secrecy but suffice to say, they still
laugh about it like a couple kids who got away with something. Is there a statute of limitations on such an evil
crime? They could be extradited back to the US for trial.
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Here he is. Bill Taylor the man that gets us started in the right direction. Is that a bitchen picture or what?
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(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Circa1963byBurlyBurlileSmall.jpg)
Does anyone recall in the sixties or early seventies when someone went for a joy ride in the salt grader and the racers had to muscle it back onto hard salt ?
Burly
This is a picture of which I have first had knowledge .... without admitting to anything in regards to how it got there, I know the story.... I just need to know if anyone in that picture is still alive and in a condition to do any of the "cuprits harm.....
What I will say is that either Hotrod or Car Craft started the article for the coverage of the 1972 Bonneville National Speed Trials with words that went something like this:
"Bonneville Speedweek started with a hoot and a hooler and the loudest hooting and hollering came from the road-boss of the Utah Department Of Highways. It seemed that someone had gotten his road grader stuck up it the axles in the salt and before anything took place on the slat flats, that grader had to be unstuck and returned to him."
From a verbal account later rendered by an officer of the Wendover Sherrif's Office, who also had first hand knowledge of the incident, I heard that there were 85 men who got pig dirty digging and pulling on that grader for 6 hours before it finally got pulled to solid ground and if any of those men ever find the person or personss responsible then they had better be ready to run for their lives.
I do know more .......
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I saw a photo above of the LeBlanc's Streamliner. Here's a nice shot of that car, also from 1955's meet.
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Got back into my dad's old photos and now I can't stop looking! Here's a nice shot of the two engine Harley they ran from Indiana.
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Dang -- looks like they have the right name for that bike. Hats off to the fella that muscled it down the salt. Quite a ride, hey?
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Wildcat,
That image is just too cool! I met your dad at BUB in 2008 and again in 2009. Please pm me.
John K. Endrizzi
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ildcat! Is your Dad Bud Shmidt (sp) per chance?
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Neat cars in the background!
Chopped & mildly customized Chevy/GMC pickup towing a trailer with white-walls.
Heavily chopped & mildly customized (looks like '57 Buick grille?) '50 Ford coupe ready to run with a (looks like, going by the grille bar showing) '52 Ford push-car.
And the '54? Ford Victoria spectator? car in the far background.
Love it? Got any more??? :cheers:
Mike
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Neat cars in the background!
Chopped & mildly customized Chevy/GMC pickup towing a trailer with white-walls.
Heavily chopped & mildly customized (looks like '57 Buick grille?) '50 Ford coupe ready to run with a (looks like, going by the grille bar showing) '52 Ford push-car.
And the '54? Ford Victoria spectator? car in the far background.
Love it? Got any more??? :cheers:
Mike
I was thinking the same when I saw them Mike, was curious on the '50 grill too so thanks for IDing that one.
Cheers,
Rob
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I also was thinking the same thing.. How cool is that photo! 1955....Probably the first dual engine bike on the salt? And the two main vehicles in the background with chopped tops and one is a tow vehicle! Keep 'em comin' Wildcat, they are classics.
And to answer my own question....after searching the internet I see Bud Hare's Double Trubble was the first dual engined bike on the Dry Lakes according to a 1953 Motorcyclist Magazine acticle.
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I've been posting various shots of 1955 event since page 92 of this thread. There are some additional photos the 2-engine bike and crew on pages 92 and 94.
Bud is not my dad, but you're close. I've known Bud my entire life, as my dad, Rex Wright, began working at with Bud in the mid-50s. I still see Bud every Saturday, as he stops by my shop for a little bench racing. Bud starts Saturday mornings with free coffee and donuts at Eagle Harley (down the street), then makes it to our place before lunchtime!
Bud, and his brother John (in the black leathers shown above), started Schmitt Speed Shop in Chalmers, Indiana in the early '50s. My dad worked for Bud in the '50s building engines and doing dozens of engine swaps after the overhead valve introduction. Schmitt Speed Shop was well known in the Midwest for building Merc-illacs and Ford-illacs, and lots of Olds swaps, too. My dad was the engine swap artist at the shop.....I think they did more than 75 swaps before he left to start his own business a couple of towns away in Wolcott.
Everyone in the shop was drag racing on weekends, mostly at Andy Granatelli's Half Day Speedway near Chicago. The two engine bike was a dominant force at the track, along with George Smith's (founder of S&S) bike. Today, a large 72"x60" photo of the bike hangs in the AMA Motorcycle Museum, as part of their motorcycle drag racing history display.
To fast forward, I grew up listening to my dad (and Bud) talk about their 1955 trip to Bonneville....repeatedly! The same group of guys that went out in 1955 continued to be friends, and would often meet up at my dad's shop, or at Bud's shop and laugh about old times. Every weekend, Bonneville was a topic.
In 2004, I purchased a car and decided to take a run at Bonneville. My dad and I both ran, I went 226+ average in my first "full out" atempt. Not bad on a 233 record. You'll see the same group of guys in my pit that accompanied Bud in 1955. From From Left to Right, Jake Hall, Steve Ashby, Bud Schmitt and Rex Wright. In 2005, I wokrked with the folks at Eagle Harley and we took a modified Vrod out for Bud to race, 50 years afer his initial run. We've all been back to the salt every year since.
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Oh...one last thing. I forgot to mention how the bike performed.
At start of '55 meet, Rollie Free had the bike record at 156.2mph (I think I've got all of this correct....). The Monster went 157.2mph on an early run, but burnt a piston. They were unable to back the record up in a timely fashion. They finally got the bike running again later in the week, but couldn't repeat the earlier speed, as they struggled with clutch issues. Couldn't keep the clutch locked up...it became the weak link of the operation.
They had hopes of running some nitro late in the week, as Bud said it usually gained him 6 mph at the drag strip. But, it wasn't to be.
I believe the week ended with Joe Simpson grabbing the record on a Vincent with a (British car) Supercharger. I don't know much more about the bike, but I believe it went 160 - and my dad said it was a really neat piece.
The Indiana farm boys had only seen Vincent's in magazines, never in person - let alone one with a supercharger!
I'll post more photos of the bike and the '55 event.... Thanks for your interest. I was sharing with Bud Schmitt last night on the phone and he was excited to hear about the thread and photos.
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Neat bike, check out the chain between the two engines. I'll bet they changed it pretty regularly!! Pretty good speed for 1955.
Rex
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:cheers: Wildcat, thanks for the info on Bud. Had the pleasure of meeting him last Aug. at Speedweek. He sat around with us at the Bend in the road and it was PURE history listining to him and some of the other "ancients"! Tell Bud, that Crow, with the pan/shovel said Hello! Thanks, and Happy Holidays to you all!
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That chain pic is an interesting thing. In western Colorado is a small railroad museum with one of the original "Galloping Goose" engines (this one was a GM powered unit...gasoline truck/bus set up to pull rail car). They ran the drive from the truck diff out to the forward wheels of a 2-axle "truck", and then ran sprockets outboard of the railroad car wheels to connect to the rear wheels (on each side of the truck, to make 4 drive wheels). They also ran the chains super loose, letting them run in an ellipse. The chains are so loosely tensioned that the lower run almost reaches the ground if the top run is tight.
I was talking to one of the fellows that knew the history, and asked if the chains were worn out....he said, "noooo, that's how they ran them, and it still works for the chain saw contest guys!" Sure enough; the really hot chain saws have great big elliptical shaped bars so the chain can survive!
hmmmmm.... sure would like to understand the physics of that!
JimL
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I enlarged the original of the photo taken under the pit tent. They must be working on the clutch, becauase the chain is actually hanging loose off of the front two engines in the photo taken in the pit tent. Also, the clutch cover appears to be off in this photo.
The chain is on, and in place, in the picture posted 6-8 replies above - you can clearly see it running to the wheel sprocket. Not necessarily a pretty design, but it is in place.
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Oh good! I hate it when I get that "what the heck, and why don't I understand" feeling! :-P
Thanks for the detective work....now I'd like to know why the chainsaws work!
Meanwhile, back to my regularly scheduled confusion. :?
JimL
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A few more early 62-65 photos for the archive.
Burly
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Looking for pictures from Speed Week s of '72 & '73.
I am interested in shots taken of a particular car or of the pits in an effort to find the car. A Ford Pinto affiliated with Ak Millers / Lufkin at that time.
ANY help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
srthomsen1@verizon.net
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(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BvwBeTaC9dY/S1ZWYhBv0uI/AAAAAAAADzk/Mc3Lr_0qYD0/s800/000_0201.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BvwBeTaC9dY/S1ZWZ56ctQI/AAAAAAAADzs/06O9AG2SpV8/s800/000_0203.JPG)
these popped up on yellowbullet with back story
Supposedly one of the guys in the group shot spent some time at Bonneville when Burt Munroe was around. Nowadays he is an engineer and some guy on yellowbullet works with him
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A Ford Pinto affiliated with Ak Millers / Lufkin at that time.
Was that car painted blue?
FREUD
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(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BvwBeTaC9dY/S1ZWYhBv0uI/AAAAAAAADzk/Mc3Lr_0qYD0/s800/000_0201.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BvwBeTaC9dY/S1ZWZ56ctQI/AAAAAAAADzs/06O9AG2SpV8/s800/000_0203.JPG)
these popped up on yellowbullet with back story
Supposedly one of the guys in the group shot spent some time at Bonneville when Burt Munroe was around. Nowadays he is an engineer and some guy on yellowbullet works with him
Way kool Java Joe. Those shots needed to be shared.........................
Burly
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A Ford Pinto affiliated with Ak Millers / Lufkin at that time.
Was that car painted blue?
FREUD
yes. same as lufkins car. number was (i think) 647
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(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_BvwBeTaC9dY/S1ZWYhBv0uI/AAAAAAAADzk/Mc3Lr_0qYD0/s800/000_0201.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BvwBeTaC9dY/S1ZWZ56ctQI/AAAAAAAADzs/06O9AG2SpV8/s800/000_0203.JPG)
these popped up on yellowbullet with back story
Supposedly one of the guys in the group shot spent some time at Bonneville when Burt Munroe was around. Nowadays he is an engineer and some guy on yellowbullet works with him
Way kool Java Joe. Those shots needed to be shared.........................
Burly
Yeah they are cool. There are supposed to be more, he just hasn't posted them
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Found this picture
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I don't think that I have seen these photos on this thread, I copied them from a similar thread on the HAMB. Great photo of a gathering of early streamliners and also a great aerial photo of the Summers Brothers and Bob Herda on the starting line.
Rex
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I didn't know Summers ever ran the Goldenrod except on private time. Was this photo from Speedweek then? Shakedown runs maybe?
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I don't think that I have seen these photos on this thread, I copied them from a similar thread on the HAMB. Great photo of a gathering of early streamliners and also a great aerial photo of the Summers Brothers and Bob Herda on the starting line.
Rex
Rex, whose liner is 671, the red and yellow one. Neat looking ride.............
Burly
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Man there's a whole pile of WOW right there! What's the likelyhood the areal shot was from Don Fransisco's plane?
I was fortunate to overfly with him in the late 80's & early 90's but never had a camera. Sid.
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the liner might be one built by Jocko Johnson, looks like his style. Do you know what year these were taken.
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While we're on the subject of old Bville stuff -- one of the members of this Forum has donated an original edition print of the paperback Michigan Thompson - Challenger book. He sent it to me and I'm part way through my "proofread" of it. It is way cool.
The guy that donated it wants me to auction it off to those of you on the Forum for his out-of-pocket cost plus whatever I can get as a donation for the site. It does have a bunch of photos in it. It's co-written by Mickey and Griffith Borgeson. I'll finish it in a few days and put a photo or two of it up on the site (elsewhere). But since it has old photos -- here's your first mention of it on this site.
The asking price is going to start at $25. I'll get to it soon, and maybe you'll soon have a great historical book for your land speed racing library.
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I don't think that I have seen these photos on this thread, I copied them from a similar thread on the HAMB. Great photo of a gathering of early streamliners and also a great aerial photo of the Summers Brothers and Bob Herda on the starting line.
Rex
Rex, whose liner is 671, the red and yellow one. Neat looking ride.............
Burly
Local hero Dana Fuller in his GMC 6:71 powered diesel liner. Ex Hurbert 'liner.
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Slim I have the book and have seen a couple for around $75.00 at the swap meet. It's a great book and should sell for a good price.
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Glen:
It's a fun read, isn't it? I relate to so many of the things -- sounds, smells, and the descriptions of driving on the Salt. I just found the part where Mickey talks about Bob Higbee starting him and the Challenger on a run. The general public wouldn't pick up on that stuff -- racers sure will. Yup, a good book.
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I am ready to bid on it :-) :-) :-) :-)When can we start???
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I have a 1st edition copy in my collection I picked up years ago in a used bookstore. Interesting bio from MT perspective, good pix. It ends with him building the Indy car with great anticipation. Unfortunately that didn't end well....
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the liner might be one built by Jocko Johnson, looks like his style. Do you know what year these were taken.
The red and yellow n°671 is the ex-Beast III with a bigger engine. Also in the photo, Chet Herbert's Beast IV, Bob Estes Mecury, Mal Hooper's Shadoff-Special and Fred Carillo's n°17. A fantastic photo. The year is 1953.
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Debgeo, I guess now that I've let the book out of the shelf (paraphrasing there) that I should start the "auction", even though I'll have to tell all that it won't get shipped 'til I finish reading it.
I've got a busy morning, trying to get a wedding photo of two rather portly folks changed from full color to half-tone B/W so I can engrave it on the backside of a mirror -- but maybe once I've figured that out I can explore how to do the auction. Soon, hey?
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How big of a mirror?
DW
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Debgeo, I guess now that I've let the book out of the shelf (paraphrasing there) that I should start the "auction", even though I'll have to tell all that it won't get shipped 'til I finish reading it.
I've got a busy morning, trying to get a wedding photo of two rather portly folks changed from full color to half-tone B/W so I can engrave it on the backside of a mirror -- but maybe once I've figured that out I can explore how to do the auction. Soon, hey?
Jon, we do autions on other boards all the time, really simple. PM me if you want tips. I have one going on the HAMB right now.
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Does anyone remember a lakes racer from SoCal who drove a purple primered motorhome and raced a 53? Studebaker? An old friend of his who doesn't use the comptuer was wondering what ever became of the Stude. He thought his friend died about 15 years ago. Says he's seen the car around but not in the last few years. I don't imagine a purple primered motorhome would be easy to forget. Anyone shed some light on this?
Dan
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DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PICTURES OF THE DEAN & FENN #611 GAS ROADSTER. PROBABLY AROUND 1975 TO 1982, THANKS ED :-D :-D :-D
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why are you going to clone it? :evil:
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:-D :-D MAYBE :-D :-D
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this one?
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:-D :-D :-D :-D THANKS cheap n dirty, I greatly appreciate the pic :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Sure you can see it -- looks awfully white to me.
Stan
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I have just come upon a website selling "art prints" of Fords www.fordimages.com (http://www.fordimages.com) (redirects to the "art" site). The site is aggravatingly user-unfriendly, and whoever put it together has little automotive knowledge.
Anyway, in the "Hot Rod" section are a number of nice LSR photos. The photos are "protected" so that you'll have to open each link individually.
33/34 Comp coupe: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=940&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=940&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Chrisman coupe with trophy queen: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=915&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=915&staticImage=C&alt=0)
SDRC coupester: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=769&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=769&staticImage=C&alt=0)
‘28/29 Roadster: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=764&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=764&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Another ‘28/29 roadster: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=758&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=758&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Strangely chopped ‘33/34 coupe: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=705&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=705&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Chrisman coupe with push truck: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=703&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=703&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Shadoff Spl with Ford push truck: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=685&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=685&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Ford roadster & motorcycle streamliner: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=683&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=683&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Working on roadster at Stateline Hotel: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=680&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=680&staticImage=C&alt=0)
“No Wash Spl” comp coupe: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=657&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=657&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Chrisman coupe leaving start line: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=654&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=654&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Pin-up in roadster: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=653&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=653&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Pin-up in Auto-Moly comp coupe: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=643&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=643&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Flathead-powered former 4-door sedan: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=601&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=601&staticImage=C&alt=0)
‘33/34 5-window comp coupe (1990's?): http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=544&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=544&staticImage=C&alt=0)
#222 T roadster: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=528&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=528&staticImage=C&alt=0)
“Fords at El Mirage”: http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=238&staticImage=C&alt=0 (http://ford.artehouse.com/perl/magnify_popup.pl?imageID=238&staticImage=C&alt=0)
Mike
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Kodek 127 :-D
Not Stainless.......I asked Freud :-D
hey, my Brownie pictures have patina. I have some shots from the 4, the car going by is that little dot ....
here are some comp coupes
MY NAME IS MOOREA WATKINS I WAS LOOKING UP MY GRANDFATHERS PHOTOS I HAD MISSED PLACED A FEW, NEEDLESS TO SAY ITS GREAT TO SEE THESE OLD PHOTOS THEY BRING BACK MEMORIES OF MY EXCELLENT PAST IF ANYONE REMEMBERS OR KNEW MY GRANDPA "DINGUS" I WAS THE LITTLE GIRL ON THE DIRTBIKE. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA FACTS ABOUT THE 34 CAR MY GRANDPA TOLD ME THAT HE HAD BUILT IT FROM SCRATCH AND I DONT BELIEVE THAT RONNIE B. HAD ANY DOING OF THAT CAR , MY GRANDFATHER ALSO HAD AN DRAGBIKE THAT HE RODE AT SALTS AND MIRAGE THE LAST MADE RECORDS THAT HE HAD #340.. THANKS
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No need to shout...
Moorea, since I had 2 cars with #34 in there on page 20, I am guessing that caused confusion... the top one, maybe a crosley with an opal front looks like it has Benham on the front, the Giha, no indicators... Which car are you talking about. Tell us more if you can and post some pictures.
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No need to shout...
Moorea,
Capital letters=shouting, in case you didn't know.
If you have photo's to share, we would love to see them.
Thanks, Don
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who is this??
I think about 1986.... when bikes could ride to the line...
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who is this??
I think about 1986.... when bikes could ride to the line...
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5202.0;attach=25307;image
I beleive this is the Clupper racing rear engine bike, I saw them in 1988.
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Then there`s this............
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A three-wheeler? The photos must be kinda old. . .
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Travisspeed... At the risk of being wrong I think that is a picture Of Neil Diamond, but I could be wrong.. or it could be Peter Dolan from the Monkeys........ Or..... it could be me from my High School yearbook. :?
Smitty :cheers:
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That Wolf Guy from Xmen?
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who is this??
I think about 1986.... when bikes could ride to the line...
I know one thing........ In the middle picture these are return runs from the days of making two way record return passes in 1 hour. For a total of three (3) runs to get your record.
Ahhh, those were the days.........
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I remember that well. I'm on the white Honda, #79.
Broke the record and got protested.
Lost the record.
FREUD
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I remember that well. I'm on the white Honda, #79.
Broke the record and got protested.
Lost the record.
FREUD
Yep..... that bike even looks illegal in that picture...... too many items of clothing on...... :-D
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Spring still isn't here so I am looking at some of my old 8mm movies of Bonneville in 63, and Mike Stewarts (Family Affair-son of Jack Stewart) silent 8mm movies of half mile drags at Riverside Raceway and El Mirage in 65 & 67. Making a copy for Dick Zook who with the help of the contacts here on Land Racing.com I have relocated after 48 years.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/JackStewartscan0001_005Small.jpg)
The Wheelers crew in 63 left to right:
Gary Taranov(Canada),Dick Zook, Dave Ratliff,Joe Lippi,Jack Stewart, Jim Seabridge(missing-DeWitt Garcia). Still haven't located Jim Seabridge and DeWitt Garcia. If anyone knows there whereabouts, please PM me-thanx!)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Wheelers_SCTA1Small.jpg)
Thanx Seldom and Land Racing. The world is smaller and more fun because of your efforts.............and the S.C.T.A. Wheelers will live on forever!
Burly Burlile
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Is that Joannie Warner in the black pants and officials shirt with the clip board?
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Is that Joannie Warner in the black pants and officials shirt with the clip board?
Looks like Joannie to me. Maybe Dan will chime in.
Tom G.
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And the guy blocking Freud could be a young Dan... Seems I remember them working as a team back in the day.
Yes SSS 3 wheelers raced for several years, was always the same guys that entered 3 to form the class. They were sand racers gone wild. We were going to put a single front on the lakester but the ruling class said a streamlined expansion of the class was not going to happen. (where you can't see the rider)
Trapper, you probably didn't need to substitute the face, the ugly guy probably has dark hair and a beard...
Those were the days... it was a lot harder to set records doing a qualifier and 2 runs back to back
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Yep, that is the lovely Joanie. Helping me when I was the long course return starter. That is Mark Lingua's streamliner in the pic. Good eye Nathan and Tom.
DW
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And the guy blocking Freud could be a young Dan... Seems I remember them working as a team back in the day.
Yes SSS 3 wheelers raced for several years, was always the same guys that entered 3 to form the class. They were sand racers gone wild. We were going to put a single front on the lakester but the ruling class said a streamlined expansion of the class was not going to happen. (where you can't see the rider)
Trapper, you probably didn't need to substitute the face, the ugly guy probably has dark hair and a beard...
Those were the days... it was a lot harder to set records doing a qualifier and 2 runs back to back
You got a good eye Stainlees. You have a hat on...one no substitute
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Devils Disciples ?
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B'ville Personified
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Freud,
Any information on the photo of the "Got Salt" Lakester? That's the car Salt Cat Racing bought from Lynn Goodfellow in October. Don't appear to be many pictures out there of the car.
Doug :cheers: :cheers:
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One of the unique cars os the '50's. Jim Miller's Dad built it and powered by Pontiac.
I think if it isn't fully restored by now, it soon will be.
Glen will know all about it. Maybe Jim Miller will fill us in.
This was shot at Gas Up.
FREUD
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It's been fully restored and in the Ferguson's collection. It was in the Pebble Beach show and got a top honor in some category.
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Thanks Glen
FREUD
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Great looking car, sorry my pictures suck. It was at the NHRA museum back in Dec. for some type of ceremony that Jim Miller was giving/given?
I'm sure DW knows what was what.
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Two reasons to buy the current #50 Rodder's Journal. Excellent feature (and cover) of the Fred Carrillo Roadster and coverage of the "hot rod" portion of Pebble Beach - vintage LSR
http://www.roddersjournal.com/ (http://www.roddersjournal.com/)
Mike
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The Miller/Ferguson lakester is now back at the Ferguson garage.The car won the historic hot rod class at Pebble Beach last August. Jim was able to leave Speedweek for a couple of days to be present when the car was presented the trophy.
DW
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Some new 'old' photos are being ressurected from the albums of former Wheeler Dick Zook and I thought I would share one here with his permission. Below is the old So-Cal coupe when it was owned another Wheeler, Rich Stricker.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/So_Cal_Coupe3.jpg)
This image shows Dick at the wheel getting redy for a pass. During Rich's ownership the car normally ran a front drive blown Caddy. During a couple of events, the duo installed Dicks little Dodge Hemi for a couple of meets and got the coupe up into the 140's.
Enjoy and thanx Dick for sharing the photos..........
Burly
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I have been searching for Jim Seabridge, formerly a Norwalk, So Cal resident and Wheeler? Below is a sixties photo shared by Dick Zook during my days as a go-fer for the Stewart and Seabridge crew.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Jim_and_Blown_Flathead1.jpg)
Any help in putting Jim in contact with me or vice versa would be appreciated.
Burly Burlile
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This will be 2 posts of the Goldenrod. I am leaving the image size as large as practical and close to the maximum quality.
Like the quality?
This image is large. Drag to full screen.
Bret Kepner did these, hand held, at the Ford Museum a month ago with an aging digital point and shoot. His experience shooting
at the drag races carried over to these images. Check his website. His night fotos are blow away.
www.bretkepnerphotos.com
THANX Kepner.
FREUD
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A broadside..........
Return now with us to those days of yesteryear..............
A preserved jewel.
Thanks, Kepner.
FREUD
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Wow. That's all I can say.
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Mike Cook and his shop did the restoration of the streamliner. They took hundreds of pictures of the rebuild. It sat out in front of the NHRA for several years unprotected from the weather before Cook took it over. It has a great home now. Anyone in the Detroit area should visit the Ford/Edison museum to see what a great part of LSR history it is. The Summers were way ahead of others in the design and garage home built cars of that era.
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Bret Kepner did these, hand held, at the Ford Museum a month ago with an aging digital point and shoot.
I couldn't shoot that same shot with your equipment, he is a true artist! :cheers:
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I tried last year (04/15/10). These might be fuzzy cause I called Bill Summers and told him I drooled all over his old tater! :-D
First of four.......
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#2 Another famous hot rod in the background! Oops that's hot dog!! :-o
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#3
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#4 When last years record has stood for 45 years then they can have the LSR holy grail, too! :wink:
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As seen through the eyes of Alex Tremulis...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/BobSummers3a.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/SummersWiring.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/GoldenrodPanels.jpg)
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#2 Another famous hot rod in the background! Oops that's hot dog!! :-o
Hey, Little Oscar was kool too!
Burly
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As seen through the eyes of Alex Tremulis...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/BobSummers3a.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/SummersWiring.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/GoldenrodPanels.jpg)
These are some truly historic images. Thanx.............Streamliner
Burly
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A few pictures I took during the early part of the restoration by former Hot Rod editor & 200 MPH club member John Baechtel.
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It's just a marvelous piece of history.
Thanx to all involved with the restoration.
FREUD
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A few pictures I took during the early part of the restoration by former Hot Rod editor & 200 MPH club member John Baechtel.
It's hard to tell these pics are 40 years apart. Same metal, same paint, same passion, just different names...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/GoldenrodPanel.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/GoldenrodHangar.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/GoldenrodHangar2.jpg)
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Were these pictures taken in the old "Enola Gay" hanger at Wendover Field?
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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I would say yes on the hanger, it's the largwes on the air field, many others have used it as well over the years.
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I would say yes on the hanger, it's the largwes on the air field, many others have used it as well over the years.
I believe the hanger we see is one of the multiple white wood mid size hangers facing south as used in different movies including Bird of Prey where they flew the chopper inside. The Enola Gay hanger faces east and has always been much darker inside.
Burly
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Yes, looking at the early pictures posted by Streamliner, you can see the three rows of windows of the south facing hangars clearly behind where Summers is standing.
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Milo-Don Alderson,Don Hampton,Gary Cagle,& Hamptons shirtless brother,(Kenny?)
I think this is from 1957,,pretty sure the tank hand an unblown Chrys on Fuel---
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa456/tcagle1/CagleTank.jpg)
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(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image1-1.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image2-2.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image3-3.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image4-2.jpg)
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I would say yes on the hanger, it's the largwes on the air field, many others have used it as well over the years.
I believe the hanger we see is one of the multiple white wood mid size hangers facing south as used in different movies including Bird of Prey where they flew the chopper inside. The Enola Gay hanger faces east and has always been much darker inside.
Burly
Absolutely right! Here's Goldenrod's trailer getting ready...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Trailer.jpg)
Here's an image of the museum building taken from the oppposite direction, Goldenrod was in the hangar on the left:
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/wendoverhangars.jpg)
So Goldenrod was the first hangar and Enola Gay was at the opposite end of the airfield:
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/wendovermap.jpg)
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Thanks everyone for the pictures. The Goldenrod was truly ahead of it's time. Or maybe a time maker.
Richard
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More GREAT pics from Streamliner :cheers:
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Barrett, do u think the fellow with the white B'ville shirt could have been Multey Aldridge? ) Please excuse the spelling
FREUD
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O.K. now, where did the 'before it's time' Goldenrod trailer end up? Today, ninety percent of the racers come to the salt so equipped. It looks like you could put a gross of horse's inside and it has truck size wheels way far in back. I wonder what the tongue weight was? Too bad the trailer did not stay with the car!
Burly
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Barrett, do u think the fellow with the white B'ville shirt could have been Multey Aldridge? ) Please excuse the spelling
FREUD
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/GoldenrodSCTA.jpg)
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Definitely ! It is Mr Auldrich(?)
Burly
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Thanks for posting the great photos of Goldenrod - fantastic shots, truly capturing history!
I'm aware of the car's success in 1965, but can someone fill me in on more of the car's history? Did the streamliner race at Bonneville in events prior to 1965, or after?
Also, did the Summers Brothers compete on the salt with cars other than Goldenrod?
Keep the photos and information coming - great stuff! Thanks!
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The Summers' Polliwog (Pollywog(?)) with, a magazine guy (something Greene(?)), Alex Tremulis, Bob and Bill Summers.
An Eric Rickman photo.
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/TremulisandSummersBrosPollywog.jpg)
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In '57 Jim Culbert crashed his rear engine modified roadster at Bonneville so he built another that was front engine front wheel drive . Bob and Bill Summers liked the design and built the Polywog which lead to the Goldenrod .
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The "magazine guy" is Bob Greene, editor of Hot Rod at that time.
A big thanks to Troy Cagle for the pic of the lakester with Don Anderson, Don Hampton and his dad Gary. No doubt the lakester had a fuel hemi in it with that group of guys!! They knew how to make them sing. Troy, any idea how fast it went?
Rex
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Thanks for posting the great photos of Goldenrod - fantastic shots, truly capturing history!
I'm aware of the car's success in 1965, but can someone fill me in on more of the car's history? Did the streamliner race at Bonneville in events prior to 1965, or after?
Also, did the Summers Brothers compete on the salt with cars other than Goldenrod?
Keep the photos and information coming - great stuff! Thanks!
Here are a few shots I took of the Polywog Summers Brothers liner that came before the Goldenrod.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bville62-65scan0001_012Medium.jpg)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/scan0045Medium.jpg)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bville62-65_042Medium.jpg)
They say it was ill handling but it sure looked and went neat...................
Burly
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Multy Aldridge -- Mr. Hospitality. I still have a helmet he loaned me to go drag racing with (I'm bad). Don't think those polycarbonate ones would pass today.
Stan
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Stan Back........Thanks for the ID on Multy.
Remember his "T" roadster and his wife was frequently with him.
Burly.... THANX to u also.
FREUD
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I have a knit wool cap the Multy gave me and several others one cold night at El Mirage. I think he said that the people at the retirement home made them to keep us warm camping out over night. That hat is not for sale.
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Here is another classic just sent to me by Dick Zook.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Hilborn_Bernier_and_Orr1.jpg)
He found it in his stash and says it must have been given to him.The cars are the original black Stu Hilborn modified lakester, Arnold Bernier'e 4 port Riley modified and Veda Orr's roadster. He guesses it was taken in the early fifties.
Thanx Dick................
Burly
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Wow! Could that be made BIGGER please???
Mike
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Having 1st meeting Multy in 1953 and seeing what a tough person he was inspecting cars I got to thinking there is a reason he was hard on making sure the rules were followed. The same year going to Bonneville I ran across him on the highway out in the middle of nowhere Nevada in his Model T roadster going about 30 mph. I talked to him on the salt and he said it was a trip he loved and was never in a hurry as he didn't want to miss the sights along the way.
Like Rich I also got a few wool caps at the lakes and on the salt. They always had things for any kids as well. He and his wife were the hospitality people for many years. Anyone who knew them loved them and they are so missed.
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I have a knit wool cap the Multy gave me and several others one cold night at El Mirage. I think he said that the people at the retirement home made them to keep us warm camping out over night. That hat is not for sale.
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The "magazine guy" is Bob Greene, editor of Hot Rod at that time.
A big thanks to Troy Cagle for the pic of the lakester with Don Anderson, Don Hampton and his dad Gary. No doubt the lakester had a fuel hemi in it with that group of guys!! They knew how to make them sing. Troy, any idea how fast it went?
Rex
Thanks Rex
I think that's the Tank my dad got in the "2" Club with in '57----204 & change
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Having 1st meeting Multy in 1953 and seeing what a tough person he was inspecting cars I got to thinking there is a reason he was hard on making sure the rules were followed. The same year going to Bonneville I ran across him on the highway out in the middle of nowhere Nevada in his Model T roadster going about 30 mph. I talked to him on the salt and he said it was a trip he loved and was never in a hurry as he didn't want to miss the sights along the way.
Like Rich I also got a few wool caps at the lakes and on the salt. They always had things for any kids as well. He and his wife were the hospitality people for many years. Anyone who knew them loved them and they are so missed.
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I have a knit wool cap the Multy gave me and several others one cold night at El Mirage. I think he said that the people at the retirement home made them to keep us warm camping out over night. That hat is not for sale.
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Yes Glen, when I started putting on the Bonneville Cruise-In at the end of the road in 81 Multy and Vera were always there to help us as well as see to their official duties. Toys for the kids was a big thing and they were both very special people.
I never got a hat but I have extremely good memories because of them. They are missed ! ! !
Burly
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Wow! Could that be made BIGGER please???
Mike
Sorry Mike, I put it in at full size..............
Burly
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Glen --
I remember seeing pictures of Multy's roadster with a spare "T" crank lashed to the front axle in case he had to do a little engine work on the way.
Stan
(. . . and the more I think about it, I think the correct last name is Aldrich (?).)
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Multy and Vera were special people. i will always remember getting a cup of coffee and a cookie the size of a plate while we waited on the asphalt for the salt to open. My crew and i always got up early so we could spend a few minutes with them. Multy usually had a joke or two, most not really funny but we always laughed. Multy always had an arm full of red garters from the Red Garter Hotel/Casino that he passed out. The ladies on my crew would hang their legs out the window as we drove by and Multy would properly place a gater on each leg. Fun times, they are missed.
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Here are a few shots I took of the Polywog Summers Brothers liner that came before the Goldenrod.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/scan0045Medium.jpg)
They say it was ill handling but it sure looked and went neat...................
Burly
It would be great if there was info about the drive train layout, Front drive right? Did it have an open diff or posi? Why was it ill handling????? Anyone?
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Here are a few shots I took of the Polywog Summers Brothers liner that came before the Goldenrod.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/scan0045Medium.jpg)
They say it was ill handling but it sure looked and went neat...................
Burly
It would be great if there was info about the drive train layout, Front drive right? Did it have an open diff or posi? Why was it ill handling????? Anyone?
There was a feature story on the Summers Brothers Polywog and it's construction in a period early sixties issue of Hot Rod magazine. Does anyone have an accessible copy with the answers?
Burly
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probably "Scrub radius" issues
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Yrs truly is guessing incorrect scrub radius.
The late Ed Rannberg of later Eyeball Engineering electric bikes and streamliner fame built a dragster with a Triumph M/C engine using German Lloyd FWD components about the time of the Polliwog and it went anything but straight under power, wrong wheel offset to "Kingpin" centerline was the suspect, though he gave up on the project quickly.
Incidentally, my former injector pump delivered fuel to the Polliwog -(very weak claim to fame).
You have to look at all the successful Indy cars with FWD in the day -and several currently running LSR cars to discredit the idea otherwise.
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There was a feature story on the Summers Brothers Polywog and it's construction in a period early sixties issue of Hot Rod magazine. Does anyone have an accessible copy with the answers?
Burly
Yup, might take me a while to find it but it's Don Francisco's article about Speedweek......he also uttered the precient words that "...the story of Burt's travels would make a great movie script"...or something similar...
I think it "hunted" something severe before they got it sorted ....then maybe broke something after they did???....
I'll fish it out.
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There was a feature story on the Summers Brothers Polywog and it's construction in a period early sixties issue of Hot Rod magazine. Does anyone have an accessible copy with the answers?
Burly
Yup, might take me a while to find it but it's Don Francisco's article about Speedweek......he also uttered the precient words that "...the story of Burt's travels would make a great movie script"...or something similar...
I think it "hunted" something severe before they got it sorted ....then maybe broke something after they did???....
I'll fish it out.
Yes, I have that issue. Easy to get to. I will try and grab it tonight
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The Summers bros trailer is a small, special semi trailer for a regular fifth wheel. It would have been pulled by the single axle Dodge tractor sitting behind the body panels lying on the floor.
Ron
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Here's an aerial shot with the cab apparently doing double duty as a chase vehicle... and Bob Herda at bottom!
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/goldenrodaerial.jpg)
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Here's an aerial shot with the cab apparently doing double duty as a chase vehicle... and Bob Herda at bottom!
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/goldenrodaerial.jpg)
Way neat photos Streamliner, your archive must be amazing..................
Burly
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Way neat photos Streamliner, your archive must be amazing..................
Burly
The archive I've got was Alex Tremulis' collection. He deserves all the credit for capturing these moments in history.
I just plucked the aerial shot from Google Images. I was searching for better photos of the cab. That Goldenrod transport combo was one great looking rig!
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Way neat photos Streamliner, your archive must be amazing..................
Burly
The archive I've got was Alex Tremulis' collection. He deserves all the credit for capturing these moments in history.
I just plucked the aerial shot from Google Images. I was searching for better photos of the cab. That Goldenrod transport combo was one great looking rig!
It is in good hands................
Burly
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Barrett, do u think the fellow with the white B'ville shirt could have been Multey Aldridge? ) Please excuse the spelling
FREUD
Sure looks like him, so the answer is yes.
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Multy always had an arm full of red garters from the Red Garter Hotel/Casino that he passed out. The ladies on my crew would hang their legs out the window as we drove by and Multy would properly place a gater on each leg. Fun times, they are missed.
Oh man, I actually remember this! I must have been maybe 4 or 5 years old but I remember getting that garter as we drove onto the salt and having it on the rear view mirror in my dad's truck for what seemed like forever. Seeing that garter in the off season always reminded me of being at Bonneville... so much so that 20 something years later (a couple of years ago) I looked all over to find that garter again so I could put it in one of my vehicles. I never found it but I'll never forget it either. Neat.
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Nathan, I still have the garter,it's in a scrap book.
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Here is a poor picture of the old article. August 61 HRM. Shows the layout and chassis. You can see the model and the real body came out a little different. Picture of a picture, scanner was giving me issues.
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/surlytman/lakester/001-3.jpg)
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Way neat photos Streamliner, your archive must be amazing..................
Burly
The archive I've got was Alex Tremulis' collection. He deserves all the credit for capturing these moments in history.
I just plucked the aerial shot from Google Images. I was searching for better photos of the cab. That Goldenrod transport combo was one great looking rig!
It is in good hands................
Burly
I've just got the photos... You guys bring them alive!
Here's to you! :cheers:
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...back to more Goldenrod pics courtesy of Alex Tremulis...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image1a.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image2a.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image3a.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image4a.jpg)
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Are those battery boxes next to the drivers cockpit?
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They look like dry cells to me.
FREUD
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They were probally used to "blow" the parachute cover off after a run. If you look at the rear view you can see the the parachute is covered with a aerodynamic cover that was blown off with a shotgun charge after a pass. I'm sure we'll soon find out if I'm right.
These are some of the best vintage pictures I've ever seen of the Goldenrod. More if you can please. :cheers:
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Can the kid be identified?
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Made the 2 Club in about 1969.
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You mean the little blond kid in the back? That was ME. Thanks for the pic
Ed :cheers: :cheers:
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I found your e-mail address.
I'll send u a copy of the foto.
FREUD
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One of my Customers just turned up with the remains of the Bodywork from Gary Richards bike (yyes, the one in your pic, Doc....)last year. Managed to talk to Gary at the LA Roadster show last year. He said they cut the bike up in the seventies and sold the Triumphs to a Drag Bike Racer...He couldn`t recall who though....Wish I could have got Gary to open up a bit more about those days, but I couldn`t make the time to try to do that....
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(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/cycleworld2.jpg)
:cheers:
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Really enjoy the old pics and "chatter" . Wanted to go to Bonneville since early teens, finally made it in `05. Now my son and I have our own car 242 F/BFMR. Just doesn`t get any better than this.
The other half of 2 Richards Racing
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When Gary stepped out of the bike after his return record run, they found out that the frame was broken.
But the Kid made it work anyhow.
He stopped right in front of me.
FREUD
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Chauvin Emmons first B'ville car. He spun it.
FREUD
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That was a street driver for Chauvin.
FREUD
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I'd rather spin it on the salt than on the street. Of course, that's where I do most of my spinning.
Stan
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You mean the little blond kid in the back? That was ME. Thanks for the pic
Ed :cheers: :cheers:
Wow Ed, it looks like you might have been a cute kid at one point. What happened? :-D
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:-D :-D Thanks nathan, love you too. we will deal with this at may meet in orientation, ha ha, the car is ready ! ! ! :-D :-D :-D
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Two Oldsters at the Gas Up.
Only Louie remains with us.
Jim Diest has passed on.
FREUD
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2009 Gas Up
FREUD
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Without Jim Diest, we would not have been able to run B'Ville in 2008.
Tech didn't like our window net, and a normal net won't cover something the size of full sized pickup door.
Jim figured how we could rig a safe net that would pass tech and helped us git-er-dun.
Thanks Jim, and RIP. :cheers:
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More Mickey
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And one more...
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More......
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And two more.
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A few more of M/T.
That staring line setup in the last shot sure was cool.
Other than wind anyone know why we don't do that any longer?
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Mike,
Please jump over to the engine family thread and see whats up.
Thanks,
DW
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I love seeing this stuff. I was a die hard Pontiac guy back then. Mickey was my hero! :cheers:
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Mobil paid for it and set it up. In the early 50s we had a banner across the starting line.
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freud,
you sure have a lot of great archive pics.
very nice. from when times were less hectic.
frany
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Freud , Thanks for the pictures. Also good to see Travis without as many grey hair. :-D Tony (I am loosing my hair)
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The Autolite.
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That pic has to be at DT house!
Rex
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Rex, it was a display at the NHRA museum.
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Hard core to the MAX.
280 MPH with a 260" Dodge, a L O N G time ago.
The Markley Brothers.
FREUD
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I just got a slide scanner and was looking through some old Bonneville pics and found these 2 shots. They were overexposed dusty and 50 years old, but interesting for sure! I will clean slides and upload more, enjoy! :-D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Burt01-w.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Burt02m-w.jpg)
Good ol' Burt....
Matt
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Man do I love this thread.... a bunch of you guys took lots of pictures back in the day, keep dusting them off guys, Freud I know you have a million or so, and you are way behind on your quota. I know they have to be perfect, but we can stand a little quanity over quality for computer viewing :|
Keep them coming...
Some of you guys just need to give a stack to your grandkids and tell them to put 'em on the computer for ya... :roll: :roll: oh, at less than 240K each so you can do at least 2... 120K if you want to post 4 at a time
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Man do I love this thread.... a bunch of you guys took lots of pictures back in the day, keep dusting them off guys, Freud I know you have a million or so, and you are way behind on your quota. I know they have to be perfect, but we can stand a little quanity over quality for computer viewing :|
Keep them coming...
Some of you guys just need to give a stack to your grandkids and tell them to put 'em on the computer for ya... :roll: :roll: oh, at less than 240K each so you can do at least 2... 120K if you want to post 4 at a time
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Here's some of Burt off the hard salt, and onto the "briny". I'm thinking these are from maybe a Christmas party or New Years party on board the SS Oriana, one of the largest cruise ships of the time. Does anyone know if there was an SCTA event or a VCTA event held on the ship? Probably an overnighter so no driving required. That must be the Mrs. along with Chrissie Tremulis, photo by Alex.
That has got to be Burt's hand holding his photo (fresh thumbnail grime).
Happy hour has already begun. It's five o'clock somewhere.
The SS Oriana was a cruise ship who's major route was the UK to New Zealand and Australia. It's possible this may have been just a dinner on board prior to departure. Anyone know if the Munro's traveled by ship to/from the US?
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Munro35.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/MunroCruise.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Oriana.jpg)
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Yep. That's Chrissie on the right, holding the drink. What a sweetheart. Wayno
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...and if I'm not mistaken, he wasn't married. So, after Googling around, it looks like that is either June Aitken or Margaret Popenhagen, his daughter, in the middle!!!
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Several years ago, Burt was inducted into the AMA Hall of Fame. Both his son and daughter were there.
I only talked to them for a few minutes. We think Burt's kids..... ya know, youngsters.
No way. They were both carrying a few years on them.
I'll find fotos from that event and post them.
FREUD
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While looking for Burt's kids I found these 2 images of the Triumph with which Gary Richards entered the 2 Club
after making his return run with a broken frame.
I know the images are similar but some people find small differences that excite them.
When this foto was done, the pits were on the opposite side of the course as they are today. Many people pitted along side the dike.
Those fellows are walking toward the starting line.
The freeway was not yet build. We drove east from town to the 12 mile post, turned toward the mountains, over the shoulder of
the highway, the salt came clear to the highway, crossed a narrow wooden bridge over the canal and then we were on the main portion of the salt.
You really needed sunglasses then. The salt was a brilliant white and no dirt in it anywhere. Just look at the salt in these two shots.
FREUD
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Interesting photos with Burt Munro... For those who are interested, the Oriana still exist.
See here: http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Oriana1photos.html
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I did these at Burt's AMA Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony.
They don't look like kids, even to me.........
FREUD
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Found some more old pics today, Quality not great but i thought some might enjoy.
first pic, is it me or is that blower mounted vertical :?
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small bike liner
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:cheers:
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The "small bike liner" is the Bud Hood/C B Clausen "Brute" of about 95 cu in and 165 horsepower in 1952 in fuel dragster configuration. It was probably the highest horsepower single engine bike in '52. It did 172mph sit-on at Avenue 5 in Pomona, but never worked out very well as a liner if I remember correctly - just barely over 200.
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These are the Real Deal.
It's an original that I have.
FREUD
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tomsmith.......
Didn't Chet Herbert's Beast and the Brute have it out at the drag races frequently?
Maybe the early '50's?
FREUD
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wow, still having fun with digitizing old photos, more from 1970 if memory serves me.... My favorite streamliner, the Larson Cummings beauty
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/EM_Larson-Cummings01wp.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/EM_Larson-Cummings02.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/EM_Larson-Cummings03.jpg)
Small series from the pits to Bob Higbee getting ready! :-)
Matt Guzzetta
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I just love unusual Bonneville vehicles, this one was powered by a model airplane engine tied to a 10 speed bicycle trans, somehow, didn't see it run so I don't know if it ever did. The driver had one leg and that allowed for the needle nose :-D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/EM_10cc-streamliner03.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/EM_10cc-streamliner02.jpg)
I mostly have streamliner stuff as that is what I was involved with for so many years. More to come!
Matt Guzzetta
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1970 was my first Bonneville and I remember the "gourd" with wheels! He had two 0.5cid model airplane engines arranged in a vee and had hand-cut a bevel gear to join them together. (My engine picture is nfg! :-() When they asked him at tech inspection how he would get into that thing he just unscrewed his leg and got in. He sat in a sand box to make the form for his seat. I believe he went about 40 mph with a goal of 60 mph but the drive chain kept jumping off. :x Seeing this little tater just about sealed my salt infection! :-D
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Freud: I never saw either the Chet Herbert Beast or the Bud Hood/C B Clausen Brute run at the drags. At the time we thought that the Brute was the fastest drag bike and Frenchy LeBlanc was #2, but I was only 17 years old in 1951 so I was pretty much in the dark most of the time. I mostly rode Joe Fernandez' knucklehead at Fontana, Colton and a few others. We moved to Pomona drags when the Pomona police (who ran Fontana) moved from Fontana to Pomona. We ran at Santa Ana a few times but never met Chet Herbert there. I did always use Herbert cams and had one of his first high lift gas cams in my panhead in 1957-59.
I was at Bonneville in 1954 and had a long talk with Otto Crocker. He advised me to retire. I also watched the transfer of the Brute engine into the Cooper streamliner (normally powered by a Norton Manx motor and tranny). They had to cut holes in the beautiful aluminum body for the carbs to poke out the side. There was a big argument with John Fox as to whether the Brute tranny should be also be installed in order to handle the horsepower. John Fox wouldn't let it happen - he said that he had run a JAP 8/80 v-twin and it worked OK. The Brute had maybe three times the horsepower of the JAP. I watched as Fox tried to make a run, but the motor sounded like it was starting out in 4th gear and couldn't clear up. When he made it back to the pits and the top of the shell was removed, I asked them what all the pieces of metal were in the bottom of the pan. It was the remains of the transmission.
It was lots of fun back then. Too bad I'm old, senile and serious now.
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And... I did race against Frenchy LeBlanc once at Pomona. As usual I was wearing Levis and a t-shirt, like most other bike guy at the time. I got less than a fourth of the way down the track when I blew up. I think this was the time I had my hand on the gear shift, which was a short lever on the transmission - we used a foot clutch. The guys watching said the pieces of the motor looked like a swarm of bees had attacked me. It took off a small piece of my thumb (the one on the gear shift), blew off the fuel lines, drenched my Levis with fuel and caught on fire with (invisible) flames from the Methanol and Nitro. I coasted to the side a few feet from the spectators and yelled "fire". The spectators looked puzzled. I held on to the handlebars since I didn't want the bike to fall over and make the fire worse. In the meantime my Levis also caught on fire. A guy showed up with a fire extinguisher and started spraying the bike. I yelled "no, no... my pants", which were getting hot. He got the idea and sprayed me. I never dropped the bike, my thumb healed up and I can't even see the scar. I think the Levis were toast, though.
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Thank you for the interesting stories... Here's a photo with the Cooper streamliner in 1954 (thanks to the LIFE archives).
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It looks like the Brute's carbs are sticking out the side above the number. John Fox was the Cooper distributor for the US and brought the streamliner over. I forgot to mention that the Brute motor shook a lot of the flush rivets loose in the bodywork.
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another little liner
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another, I dont know anything about it
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photo said driven by Dick Stern 1958
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:cheers:
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So-Cal coupe :? :?
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Modsports
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Found this one Matt
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Modsports
Need someone who knows for sure but I think thats Nolan White holding a head? (picture 1669)during a chit chat. The Sports Liner says San Diego Roadsters on the back...
Way Cool......... 8-)
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Mike, that's what I was thinking. Wish the whole number was visible so we could chase it down.
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I think it is Nolan, I will look in some of my old Hot Rod mags.
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As I recall he crashed in a sports car and broke his neck. Don't remember the year .
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It's definitely Nolan White, I recognise both he and the car.
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Modsports
Need someone who knows for sure but I think thats Nolan White holding a head? (picture 1669)during a chit chat. The Sports Liner says San Diego Roadsters on the back...
Way Cool......... 8-)
From Rod and Custom January 1962, Nolan White chevy,V-8 193.96. SAME CAR :cheers:
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Modsports
Need someone who knows for sure but I think thats Nolan White holding a head? (picture 1669)during a chit chat. The Sports Liner says San Diego Roadsters on the back...
Way Cool......... 8-)
From Rod and Custom January 1962, Nolan White chevy,V-8 193.96. SAME CAR :cheers:
As a kid growing up in San Diego, I watched that car being built and rebuilt every year at Nolan's Flying A station at Balboa and Clairemont Drive. Just across the street from my high school. I was mesmerized, just think a REAL Bonneville race car only a block from MY school. How cool was that!
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How COOL was NOLAN?
Big Time Cool.
He also passed it on in his family.
FREUD
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Honda Hawk 1972.
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Don Vesco. 1972.
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I came across this surfing the net...
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I thinl this started life as a t-bird :?
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Modsports
Some more Nolan back in the day...................
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bville62-65scan0001_011.jpg)
This is early sixties.
Burly
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Are there 4 carbs on that blower?
Tom G.
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Make it real big. I think it's 2 large 4 barrels.
FREUD
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Thanks Freud. The reason I asked was it looked like you could see the mountains in a little gap below the scoop just above the left fuel line, so I was wondering what caused the gap.
Tom G.
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Looks like a Hot Wheel -- big engine, big tires and wheels, little body. Probably (surely) very fast.
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Found some more old pics today, Quality not great but i thought some might enjoy.
first pic, is it me or is that blower mounted vertical :?
Hot Rod Deluxe, May 2011, page 58, in the article on Eric Rickman's photos of August 1958, has a picture of this (?) engine, captioned, "August 15: Greg Sharp I.D.'d this strange dyno setup as Kent Enderle's personal approach to supercharging a Chrysler Hemi, recalling it running at El Mirage and Bonneville. We're no sure what the theory was behind the right-angle drive for the 6-71, but note what looks like a prototype for the Enderle "Barn Door" injector on the blower's intake side."
Mike
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Vesco----Wirges
FREUD
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1972...
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Course looks a little soggy.
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I do wonder what ever happened to Bill Wirges? Those were some great times on the salt for sure, here are some pictures from the same time frame, speeds at that time were in the 270's or so..
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_Vesco-197213.jpg)
Getting ready for a run... Mike Devlin and Don Vesco yakking in line...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_Vesco-197211.jpg)
Down at the 10 mile marker, I think that is Bruce Flanders standing by the van. Probably a record run.
More to come
Matt Guzzetta
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Here are some goodies from 1970, with Don's 252mph (I think) twin Yamaha 350cc Streamliner and also an early Dennis Manning Harley streamliner, the one that Cal Rayborn rode at 265mph to take the record from his good friend Don just a couple of months after Don put the record over 250mph, great fun!
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_Vesco-197002.jpg)
The Yamaha twin 350 original streamliner.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_Manning197304.jpg)
Dennis Manning sitting in his liner, looks like they are in line
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_Vesco-Kawasaki04.jpg)
The twin TZ 750 version of the Streamliner, the "Silver Bird" with one of my favorite cars, Fred Larsons beautiful liner.
Enjoy, I am having fun with my new 35mm scanner, I have a bunch to share, watch out! :-D
Matt Guzzetta
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We're all enjoying your having fun. Go for it Matt! :-D :-D :-D
Pete
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The pictures are great Matt, I look forward to seeing more. :cheers:
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I can tell all of you, those were fun times.
Matt was right in the middle of all of it.
Vesco was SOOOOOOOOOOOO Cool.
He even had Norma's little dog, I think it's name was Cricket, inside the cockpit with him just before a record attempt.
Nothing ever seemed to bother him.
FREUD
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This might be Freud, :? but I am not sure as Yamaha was having pictures taken during the Silverbird runs....
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_Vesco-Kawasaki05.jpg)
Here are some pics from the 1971 version of the Streamliner, the new body on the stretched frame, much work!
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_Vesco-197106.jpg)
Don, Bob Westbrook (a great fabricator and machinist) setting the bike up....
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_Vesco-197108.jpg)
Rick Vesco and Bob Westbrook strapping Don in...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_Vesco-197107.jpg)
Bob and Don getting the liner ready for pickup after a run.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_Vesco-197105.jpg)
Don, Rick Vesco, Bob Westbrook, "Poppa John" Don's Dad and I don't recognize the last guy pushing the liner
I am doing some other liner shots, will post them later, Enjoy! :-D
Matt Guzzetta
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Freud, Matt, Ivsalt and others... Thank you very much for the memories and beautifull photos. Is it possible to post them in a bigger size?
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I found a great sequence of photos showing an interesting streamliner and Arnold, a guy who drove to the flats every year from (I think) Tonawanda New York, a 2000 mile plus journey and I never got to see him run. Always fun to talk to, an interesting guy. Since passed on as I read in an earlier post. The series has a variety of people in them, including Don Vesco's dad and Rick Vesco offering help to a fellow salt guy! :-D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_197014.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_197012.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_197011.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_197016.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_197007.jpg)
More to come......
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And here is the continuing sequence.....
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_197008.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_Small-liners01.jpg)
These were from the 1970 runs, the salt was terrific!
Enjoy! :cheers:
Matt Guzzetta
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Matt, great old shots of the Ballpoint Banana and Arnold. He did make a partial run when we towed him but he had shifting problems. I think he was there more for the camaraderie than the racing. He was quite the interesting guy, car was tiny an old Evinrude on alcohol. Thanks for the great pictures, keep them coming
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Lindsley's Coupe from the Gas Up.
FREUD
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Meat Wagon
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There is a hot topic about driver position running and I found these pics of a VW Streamliner from some time ago with the driver prone. I cannot remember what happened to this liner, it was well done. My memory may be off, but I seem to remember that it might have rolled :? I only remember it at the salt one time.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_VWStreamliner03.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_VWStreamliner01.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_VWStreamliner04.jpg)
Getting the Driver situated on the line
Also, the Bob George monster Harley, went very fast wit Dave Campos riding..
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_197003-1.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_197002-1.jpg)
Vehicles at Bonneville don't get enough viewing, this thread is great :-D
Enjoy,
Matt Guzzetta
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Matt, you are one of the guys making this a great thread. Keep digging and scanning, there are all great shots. In fact, I think even the ugly, snowy aged fotos need to be seen here. They are our history, join in you guys and post what you have. Kids, dig in dad and grandpas pictures and get them posted.
Thanks to all for keeping this great thread going
:cheers:
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The sound of that bike were frightening. As I recall it was a one gear bike. The clutch must have taken a terrific beating off the line because it sounded like train wheels
rubbing on the rails in a tight corner. I think Dave went over 240 on it a L O N G time ago. It also ran w/o a fairing and the power train became the basis of the Bob George streamliner.
They had a framework and a chain hoist to pick the front end up to work on it. H e l l for stout and brute force were the trade marks.
FREUD
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There is a hot topic about driver position running and I found these pics of a VW Streamliner from some time ago with the driver prone. I cannot remember what happened to this liner, it was well done. My memory may be off, but I seem to remember that it might have rolled :? I only remember it at the salt one time.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_VWStreamliner03.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_VWStreamliner01.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_VWStreamliner04.jpg)
Getting the Driver situated on the line
Also, the Bob George monster Harley, went very fast wit Dave Campos riding..
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_197003-1.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_197002-1.jpg)
Vehicles at Bonneville don't get enough viewing, this thread is great :-D
Enjoy,
Matt Guzzetta
Matt, the liner was the SCAT Volksliner and powered by a front wheel drive air cooled VW engine. The driver, Phil Knight laid on his stomach in a prone postition and looked out of a 'periscope' to steer. Handling problems resulted in a flip and rebuild but ultimately was not successful.
I am the unofficial historian for all things VW and land speed racing and have been looking for the car or it's remains for over two decades as the car is an important link in the VW land speed racing history. Should any readers of this thread know where I can locate Phil Knight (northern California) or the currrent history on the Volksliner, please contact me (PM).
Where is the Volksliner now? ? ?
Burly
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Burly: I presume you've checked the local VW dealers. That's Bob Leppan in the Triumph jacket going to get some spare parts, I presume, but who knows, maybe he was going in to check on the Volksliner. :wink:
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/VW.jpg)
Matt: I continue to be amazed at how you and Alex Tremulis captured the same moments in history, only seconds apart from one another. It seems you followed each other around that day. You guys MUST be in each other's photos... :cheers:
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image11-1.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image9-1.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image3-4.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image15-2.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image5-2.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image13-1.jpg)
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Streamliner, MORE Volksliner photos ! ! !
Are these from Alex's collection?
Burly
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What kind of steering did the Volksliner utilize?
Don
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What kind of steering did the Volksliner utilize?
Don
Don, the whole of the Volksliner was unsual in concept. In addition to the prone drivers position and periscope vision, the front drive car was a 'rear steer' design using the two trailing rear wheels similar to that system later used by Andy Green and the sound barrier jet car. On it's first runs Phil noted the steering was 'extremely quick' and difficult to control. When it finally made a long course run it flipped upside down between the two and three mile. The car was repaired and made one more pass but without suspension, the ride was determined to be too ridgid to control and withdrawn from competition. The car then dissapeared from sight to never e seen again.
Burly
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All my Volksliner pix were from Alex's camera, and that's all I've got of it, at least on that roll of negatives. There may be more, but I don't think so (unless it's in the background in another photo).
Since this car was set up alongside the Volksliner on what looks like a test run, you may be able to track down its owner for possible info, CA license number XJK495.
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/volkslinerchase.jpg)
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Here is another photo of Ak Miller's ACE taken by Dick Zook. After 48 years missing, Land Racing .com helped Dick and I reunite and this photo was amongst some slides we reviewed last week in So Cal.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/DickZookphotoscan0001_005.jpg)
Photo by Dick Zook
Dick was involved with Glen Deeds and the 505 Studebaker waiting in line beside Ak.
Burly
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I altered it some.
Hope u don't mind.
FREUD
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I altered it some.
Hope u don't mind.
FREUD
Lookin' good..............
B
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All these pictures are great :cheers: someone could probably put a book together with all these photographs. (streamliner?????)
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Wow, Alex Tremulis was a wild man! I was lucky to go to Art Center at the time when Alex would show up at times. It was seeing his work on the Bob Leppan Triumph "Gyronaut" streamliner and the general great public interest in Bonneville with Craig Breedlove that got me hooked on streamlined vehicles. When Bob Braverman and I showed up with his motorcycle streamliner and my car we discovered that Bob had the same problem I did when strapped into the car, the Triumph motor vibrated and transferred the vibrations into the driver's helmet so much that it rattled your eyeballs and everything went gray, you could not see. Bob Leppan said that he had a drag racer small enough to keep his head away from the firewall and that was Roosevelt Lackey. Rosie drove the car successfully and that made my year! I also met the great Don Vesco and 2 years later we were partners, a dream come true!
Here are some photos of car models that Alex was photographing on the salt, so we were both taking pictures of streamliners that year :-D
By the way, I love the redo on the slide that Freud did, I have the same problem with the overall blue cast that I have not figured how to get rid of :?
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_AlexTremulis02.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_AlexTremulis01.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/Bonneville-from%201970%20on/A_PB_AlexTremulis03.jpg)
The thing best about Bonneville is that you meet some of the most talented people in the world and they are totally approachable, great place :-)
Matt Guzzetta
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New guy here sincerely thanks the effort to post up these pictures! Thanks and please keep them coming! :cheers:
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Speaking of racing photos -- don't forget, boys and girls, that there's a whole bunch of photos in the landracing.com Photo Gallery. You get there by clicking on the tab on the home page of the site. We're putting up bunches of recent ones and trying to harvest more old-time photos, too. If you've got any that we can put there -- please be in touch with me. I'll let you know who it is that's doing the collating for the site - and you can send them. Thanks.
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By the way, I love the redo on the slide that Freud did, I have the same problem with the overall blue cast that I have not figured how to get rid of
It is a simple color balance correction, easy to do, I just sent you a PM with some information on how to do it.
Larry
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Speaking of racing photos -- don't forget, boys and girls, that there's a whole bunch of photos in the landracing.com Photo Gallery. You get there by clicking on the tab on the home page of the site. We're putting up bunches of recent ones and trying to harvest more old-time photos, too. If you've got any that we can put there -- please be in touch with me. I'll let you know who it is that's doing the collating for the site - and you can send them. Thanks.
Don't I know it! (1384 pixs the first pass!) :-o Harvesting these new ones for the Gallery. Will try to add some links to the topics!
By the way, I love the redo on the slide that Freud did, I have the same problem with the overall blue cast that I have not figured how to get rid of
It is a simple color balance correction, easy to do, I just sent you a PM with some information on how to do it.
Larry
I will (and did) correct these trying hard not to lose the original intent! (Some, like some of youse guys are pretty rough though!)
Get your scanners going guys!! :cheers:
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Matt: So you did follow each other around! Your's and Braverman's earlier pix were on the same roll of film as these models. It is a small world!
Alex had more fun with those models than any grown man should be allowed to have! He loved designing, building, finishing and photographing them in all sorts of settings. That's the Ceccato and Jones #1030 Stude looking like it's just pulling away from its push truck behind the first model...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image51a.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image33a.jpg)
...and to have a wife that fully supports your wanting to have a styling bridge on your patio is priceless. It was eventually sold to the car builder Clenet in the late 1970's, as Alex was slowing down a bit in his model building pursuits.
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/stylingbridge.jpg)
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Streamliner, that patio sure looks familiar. :-D Those 1/6 scale models usually resided under a glass coffee table in the living room if memory serves. Wayno
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Wayno: If only you could have been a fly on the wall on that patio, what stories you could tell...
Craig Breedlove and Evel Kneivel's Sky Cycle:
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Breedlove1.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/breedlove3.jpg)
Burt Munro working on the bike:
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/MunroatworkatTremulis.jpg)
Bob McGrath and the Olympian:
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/mcgrath3.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/mcgrath2.jpg)
I don't know who this is on the left. I'm assuming it must be one of you guys. :? That's Pete Politis on the right, Chrissie's brother and Gyronaut pit crew member:
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/unknown.jpg)
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WOW! Thanks :cheers:
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A bunch of pics of Carl Fjastad's #47 coupe
(http://deuceframe.com/assets/elmo_1988.jpg)
here: http://deuceframe.com/racing_pictures.html (http://deuceframe.com/racing_pictures.html) :cheers:
Mike
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It wasn't done at B'ville but it was at Gas Up a week ago.
Two Fast Guys.......Teague and Tradeup.
Talking about a longer course................Oh Ya
FREUD
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I don't want to go to an event where Al has to wear a name tag (maybe).
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Burns & Wright Vincents in 1956 after setting a record in NZ at 183 the year before.
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This CD showed up on the clearance rack at our local Borders bookstore. The booklet inside gives an engine building tip with a picture, saying "1) Loosen all head nuts or cap screws about 3/8 - inch" and "2) Start engine to loosen cylinder head." Fine music and sophisticated technical guidance. I could not resist. Now it is in the collection.
This looks like a photo at Elmo. Does anyone know who it is or any history?
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Teague wore the name tag so he could get it autographed.
He could have had two if he had asked.
FREUD
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Taken today at the Quail Gathering. The most impressive bike we saw today, no disrespect meant to the other awesome bikes. It's just that this was way over-the-top! Rollie Free's ride...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/IMG_6409.jpg)
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Big time collector Chip Connor recently purchased it, at a price rumored to be 7 digits.
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Wobbly,,,,get ahold of The Old Crow Speed Shop (on this site) and ask Bobby or Lucky about the Ry Cooder album. He got most of the inspiration for it from hanging around their shop. That album is one of my "goes with me everywhere" C.D's. The track, I, Flathead, gives me the duck warts everytime I listen to it! Crow LFFL
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I sent these to George Roeder II and his family a few months ago. His dad in 1965 with two bikes- one went well, one didn't. From what I understand, the 250cc Sprint took the record, the 500cc Sportster went down on its side...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/RoederinBike1.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/RoederatSpeed2.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/RoederandBikes3.jpg)
And with Alex Tremulis, no doubt explaining how to beat the wind...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/TremulisandGeorgeRoederHarley.jpg)
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Thanks for the information about the CD, Crow. Listening to it makes me want a flathead. The car is the SoCal streamliner, as best as I can figure. A famous car.
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I have nothing more to say....................
Just pretend you are listening.
I get chicken skin just looking at it.
FREUD
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Half a second later.
FREUD
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Doc Freud has graciously offered the photo he posted, plus 2 more to be formatted for printing in 8x12, 8x10 and 11x14 sizes. Sorry, we didn't do metric print sizes.
This is the Target 550 team's way of saying "thank you" to the Burkland family and team for their dedication, motivation and inspiration.
Just one caveat: these photos are for personal use; no publication, please.
We have the image files stored on the Target 550 server at:
http://www.target550.com/burkland/ (http://www.target550.com/burkland/)
I've named the files with their print sizes, so they otta be easy to identify. You can download 'em, take the files to your local photo printer (I use Costco for things I don't print myself), put the results in a frame and hang 'em on your wall...or you can use 'em as desktop wallpaper...or whatever. We hope you enjoy 'em.
I've attached small versions of the other 2 images.
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Me too. I was down between the 4 and 5 and they came by on a 400+ run.
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As obtrusive as I am I didn't expect Ray Therat to interrupt his viewing of the 24 Hours of Le Mans to post these.
Without Ray there wouldn't be anything for all of you to view on Target550.com.
Thanks Ray.
FREUD
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DVRs is good things. :)
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Thanks for those great shots Dr Ferd and RTR, we appreciate your efforts and talent. Love those fotos, now residing in my laptop.
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I just have the feeling that we may see Burklands on the salt again.
No good reason. Just a gut instinct that makes me feel they can't resist.
I'm convinced that they burn inside, having the car and they can run if they want to.
It's just an unrest knowing they have that marvelous piece in the shop and it's difficult to look at it
and not run.
What the hell is money anyway?
FREUD
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Just a reminder......................
FREUD
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I thought I'd pass along these old Bonneville pictures. Around 1950, my father, Byron Boji
and a couple of Chicago buddies took a trip to Bonneville. They raced a ford
flat head. My older brother remembers him telling they were very behind the
southern california guys on speed tech but learned a lot while out there.
If you have any information on the cars, drivers, etc. I'd be interested so I
can pass along to family.
All the Best,
Kevin Boji
4416 NW Apache Drive
Riverside, MO 64150
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777 is Kenz- Leslie streamliner the coupe behind it is the Pearson Bros. Both famous in their day.The 777 car was the first American Hot Rod to exceed 200 mph.
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Thanks Glen. I'm trying to upload a few more pics.
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Kevin - please post the old pix here: http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5202.1740.html
I "harvest" them for Slim and we will put them in an album!
Thanks, Woody!
Slim can you merge this topic later? :?
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adding the 1950 Bonneville thread to the old Bonneville Pictures thread
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As requested, here's a few more Bonneville photos from around 1950.
Enjoy,
Kevin
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N° 711 is Lee Chapel's Tornado streamliner.
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711 looks very aerodynamic.
anyone know the
kind of speeds it ran?
bf
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Some more infos and photos...
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On your first pic it looks like Lee Chapel liner is between the Kenz-Leslie liner and the Pierson Coupe....
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Anyone have pictures of the Burke Bros Avanti that haven't been posted. There were two pictures of the car on the ramp truck way back in the forum. Looking to complete the documentation of the history of it's 40+ years of land speed racing.
Dan
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Stumbled across this
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As near as I can tell from my old files this is Probably The Mormon Wasp driven by Wilber D'Alene in 1914
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As near as I can tell from my old files this is Probably The Mormon Wasp driven by Wilber D'Alene in 1914
Glen, is this shot at now what is the ditch south of the Interstate? Trying to remember something DW said about the powerline location.
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That looks like it would be south of I-80 ...
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Glen --
Can't you remember? You were there, right?
Stan
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Stan, that was the other glenn
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floydjer - that's Teddy Tetzlaff in the Blitzen Benz. He was part of a barnstorming group of racers and this was a promotional stunt to set the "world land speed record".
Spectators timed the car with stop watches and a record was claimed, but never certified for obvious reasons.
:cheers:
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Thats a "Wow" picture right there. It appears they even had their own train.
Sid.
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Here is what is happening in the great historic photo posted by floydjer. This photo was taken in the afternoon on Wednesday, August 12, 1914 at Salduro Siding, Tooele County, Utah. It was likely taken by Salt Lake City commercial photograher Bill Shipler. The original resides in the photo archives of the Utah Historical Society. The racing automobiles shown in the photo are both 445 cid, 4-cyl. Maxwells. There were three of them on the salt that day. The closest one to the camera is the gasoline fueled #3 Maxwell driven by Theodore Tetzlaff. The other car with the crowd gathered around it is the #25 Maxwell of "Coal-Oil" Billy Carlson. It was fueled by kerosene as was the third car. They were black in color. The cars not visible in the photo, but were present and participated in the speed trials were a 496 cid, 4-cyl. Marmon Special driven by Wilbur D'Alene. It was neither the wasp or a wasp, but a road race special constructed for the 1911 Vanderbilt Cup. It was painted in the traditional Marmon racing colors of yellow and black. Also present was a 180 cid, 4-cyl. Nyberg racer, called "The Endicott Special" driven by Rudy Goetz which was painted red. Last, but not least, was the famed 1,312 cid, 4-cyl. 200PS Weltrekordwagon Benz "Blitzen" No. 2 also driven by Tetzlaff. It used a gasoline and ether mix for fuel and was painted white. All the cars and drivers were part of the Ernest Moross auto show that was barnstorming across the country. The trials were held under a AAA granted 1/2 mile sanction that was later revoked rendering all times and speeds made unoffical. Tetzlaff and his mechanic, Domenich Basso, pushed the Benz to a speed of 142.85 mph on thier final attempt. None of the automobiles that participated in this event have survived history. Neither has the salt they ran on. This first course was located on the south side of the Western Pacific tracks at Salduro Siding, approximately adjacent to where the I-80, eastbound rest stop is located. Nearly 100 years of mineral extraction in the area has destroyed a salt pan that was over 30 miles in circumference in 1914.
Bob.
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Wow!, Thanks Bob! :cheers:
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I got part of it right, was very hard to enlarge the picture for details. It's still a lot of fun to do research into the old days. It takes time but always worth it to find additional history that Bob has furnished. As he is in SLC and has the history more available in that area.
:cheers:
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20 + years of digging and research on this topic hasn't hurt either. Thanks guys for the comments.
Bob.
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Another to keep the discussion going.
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Things have sure changed since the days when everyone, including often the driver, wore suits and ties to the races. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Pete
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Things have sure changed since the days when everyone, including often the driver, wore suits and ties to the races. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Pete
I think we will require our team to wear whites like in my dads racing days.
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The AMA required whites for everyone, journalists, fotogs, racers and crew until teams started wearing clothing that
was provided by the sponsors. Now you seldom ever see whites at the races.
FREUD
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My underwear is always white... the first day... :-o Bob :roll:
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All that look at this Forum and wonder why it exists: Note Bob's comment, above. By reading the Forum you can learn lots and lots of vital information that might be vital to your racing efforts. :roll: :roll:
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All that look at this Forum and wonder why it exists: Note Bob's comment, above. By reading the Forum you can learn lots and lots of vital information that might be vital to your racing efforts. :roll: :roll:
Seldom, with the number of views and contributions this forum has gathered, it has to be one of LandRacings.coms most popular. Do folks 'really' question it's presence?
Burly
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The AMA required whites for everyone, journalists, fotogs, racers and crew until teams started wearing clothing that
was provided by the sponsors. Now you seldom ever see whites at the races.
FREUD
We had this discussion on the HAMB 10 years ago, you got tho the circle track or local drags and most folks look like redneck ragamuffins. If not whites, I think a uniform of some sort needs to be worn in ALL forms of racing.
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When I raced stock cars the requirement was whites or car colours, the latter meaning uniforms of some sort. The latter was the beginning of the end as the flexibility just grew from there. I still think whites or matching crew uniforms look the best. :-D :-D :-D
Pete
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I still have my Bakers whites that USAC required in '65. Not to sure they still fit.
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I think it should be for old Bonneville and lakes pictures. The other stuff can go to other forums on the site so everyone knows BD has a racing sripe in his undies.
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Burly, Glen's got it right. My comment must have flown a tad too high and over your (and that of others) head. I was just jerking Bob Drury's chain about his underpants. I agree further with glen - let's get back to the old Bonneville pictures. I think the discussion of apparel is fine, of course, since it's part of the history - and part of the photos.
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We won't go too far off track Slim, but let me know when you need a tangent? I can turn a thread into dancing midgets with flamethrowers in a couple posts! :-D
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All that look at this Forum and wonder why it exists: Note Bob's comment, above. By reading the Forum you can learn lots and lots of vital information that might be vital to your racing efforts. :roll: :roll:
Seldom, with the number of views and contributions this forum has gathered, it has to be one of LandRacings.coms most popular. Do folks 'really' question it's presence?
Burly
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Hi. My name is Mike Stewart and I ran a gas roadster at El Mirage and Bonneville in the 70s and early 80s with my wife Priscilla. The name of the car was Family Affair. It was a yellow 29 roadster with a 354 Hemi engine on gas. I got in the El Mirage and Bonneville 200 clubs with the car when I ran A/GR. I just recently was given a link to this site and enjoy it very much. I have a lot of old pics from the 50s to the 80s and will see if I can post some. I have to say Hi to Burly. Have seen some of your pics of my dad on here. Very cool.
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Mike, we would love to see your old photos. As one who saw you run many times over the years you photo history would be a great asset to landracing. Go for it.
:cheers:
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Mike, I just sent you a "pm". Seeing as how you're new -- after you log in to the Forum you'll find a strip of tabs across the upper left part of the page, and one of them is labeled "My Messages". Click on that and you'll get a page showing the PM (private message). Welcome to the Forum and the site.
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Hi. My name is Mike Stewart and I ran a gas roadster at El Mirage and Bonneville in the 70s and early 80s with my wife Priscilla. The name of the car was Family Affair. It was a yellow 29 roadster with a 354 Hemi engine on gas. I got in the El Mirage and Bonneville 200 clubs with the car when I ran A/GR. I just recently was given a link to this site and enjoy it very much. I have a lot of old pics from the 50s to the 80s and will see if I can post some. I have to say Hi to Burly. Have seen some of your pics of my dad on here. Very cool.
Wow Mike, great to hear from you on here. This is a fantastic site and you will really enjoy what you see and read. As you noticed, I even use a photo of me with your dads 1962 Bonneville roadster as my avatar. Your dad and that car was the beginning of my salt flat fever and I miss him dearly. This site even helped me find Dick Zook this year so it is helpful in many ways. Please PM me your email address so I can keep in touch. And get some more pics from your dad and Jim Seabridge posted.
Tootaloo.................
Burly
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Here`s a close up
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Does the fellow, second from the left, have a cell fone?
Sure looks like it.
FREUD
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Does the fellow, second from the left, have a cell fone?
Sure looks like it.
FREUD
I think he is puffing on a fag.
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or tokin' on a number....wait a minute...that was the 70's not the 20's
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Remember this one?
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Floydjer has posted the well known and often published photo of Theodore Tetzlaff (aka Terrible Teddy) in his Maxwell taken at the conclusion of the speed trials in 1914. His passenger, while not positively identified, is thought to be Salt Lake City Mayor Samuel Park. A number of state and local dignitaries ventured out to the salt to see the trials, among them Utah Governor William Spry.
Truth be told, I'm sure there was no toking going on, but Tetzlaff was known as a heavy drinker and was a morphine addict to boot at the time of the speed trials. He used the drug for pain and headaches he suffered from an accident in 1910. He may have been very relaxed when he went 142.85 mph through the mile course.
Bob.
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Remember this one?
Very well. I went and looked at this car before buying Mel Swain's Modified Roadster. As I recall it would have taken a lot of work to make it legal for the rule changes that have been made since it was last run. But the car was complete as last ran with a blown turbo.
I also remember one year at El Mirage where either they or Kaplan and Carr would set top time of the meet, as I recall with speeds around the 270 mark.
Tom G.
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Hi. My name is Mike Stewart and I ran a gas roadster at El Mirage and Bonneville in the 70s and early 80s with my wife Priscilla. The name of the car was Family Affair. It was a yellow 29 roadster with a 354 Hemi engine on gas. I got in the El Mirage and Bonneville 200 clubs with the car when I ran A/GR. I just recently was given a link to this site and enjoy it very much. I have a lot of old pics from the 50s to the 80s and will see if I can post some. I have to say Hi to Burly. Have seen some of your pics of my dad on here. Very cool.
Wowie. It's the other Mike Stewart. You're the reason my dad is "Miler" Mike Stewart.
Now to keep this post on topic I will say that I do have some old photos from my dad that I will try to scan and post soon.
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Remember this one?
Roger Gates, a good drag racer as well.
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Wow! A blown turbo, don't see many of those these days.
DW
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I dom't know. I blew every one I ran.
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Remember this one?
I think the last time it ran was 1982 at El Mirage.
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Glenn - I think the fellow on the left is picking his nose.
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From Alex Tremulis' 1965 photos...
Pic 1: Burke & Cagle, Gyronaut, Jack Lufkin's sports racer
Pic 2: Burke & Cagle, Pisano Bors., Fritz Offutt Twin Tank(?)
I think the Redhead was just in front of the twin tank... Anyone???
Pic 3: Closeup of the Pisano Bros.
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/BurkeCagle2.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/BurkeCagle1.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Pisano.jpg)
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Pic 3: Closeup of the Pisano Bros.
I recognise Frankie P's. hair line behind the red pith helmet and that's Joe P. and possibly Sal (cant remember Sal's last name) standing behind the open deck lid on the patio.
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That would be Clark Cagle, not Gary not related.
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Anyone have info on this one, also from 1965 (I think)?
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image10ab-Copy.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image4ab.jpg)
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http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5202.0;attach=17434;image
Car number was #44, Higginbotham-London-Auld in 1966 according to Glen
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Is that the same Higginbotham that has the BBC powered streamliner that is at WOS every year?
Skip Higginbotham?
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Yes
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Mike, we would love to see your old photos. As one who saw you run many times over the years you photo history would be a great asset to landracing. Go for it.
:cheers:
Mike sent these photos of the 606 Family Affair roadster for me to post. His dad Jack, along with Jim Seabridge and Dick Zook were the folks who took me and my buddy Tom Medlock under their wings in 62 and taught us about the salt.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Dad1Medium.jpg)
Poppa Jack Stewart with the family race car.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/familyaffairblown1Medium.jpg)
Later, the Family Affair put both Mike and his bride Priscilla into the 2 Club.
Thanx for sharing these special pics Mike.
Burly
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Mike, we would love to see your old photos. As one who saw you run many times over the years you photo history would be a great asset to landracing. Go for it.
:cheers:
Mike sent these photos of the 606 Family Affair roadster for me to post. His dad Jack, along with Jim Seabridge and Dick Zook were the folks who took me and my buddy Tom Medlock under their wings in 62 and taught us about the salt.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Dad1Medium.jpg)
Poppa Jack Stewart with the family race car.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/familyaffairblown1Medium.jpg)
Later, the Family Affair put both Mike and his bride Priscilla into the 2 Club.
Thanx for sharing these special pics Mike.
Burly
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Thanks for posting the pics. I will call you soon. One thing= Only I got into the El Mirage and Bonneville 200 clubs. Priscilla ran 214mph against my 215 record and we lost the engine on that run. She ran good but didn't qualify. After that we sent the car to Europe and when it returned we sold it.
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Thanks for posting the pics. I will call you soon. One thing= Only I got into the El Mirage and Bonneville 200 clubs. Priscilla ran 214mph against my 215 record and we lost the engine on that run. She ran good but didn't qualify. After that we sent the car to Europe and when it returned we sold it.
Thanx for the correction Mike. Everytime I see the car on the salt nowadays with the current owners, good memories return.
Burly
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photos of the Burke & Cagle
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photos of the Burke & Cagle (2) suite
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Smiling Jim Seabridge oversees an engine swap on Jack Stewarts yellow roadster in 1962. Does anyone know how to contact Jim? I have been looking for him to say hi!
Burly
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photos of the Burke & Cagle
These pics have been posted before. i know because there mine.
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Cool pic of the 777 Kenz and Laslies's Streamilner. The first American built Streamliner to over 200mph.
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I remember seeing that car, Kenz and Leslie used to have it parked in their showroom here in Denver, and my Dad took me down there once and I got to drool over it.
I am not sure where the car is now though.
Larry
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Larry, it is in the Kenz and Leslie Museum in west Denver also know as the Kenz and Leslie BG Products and Training Facility. Bill and Roy were 2 of the 7 original partners in BG, Ron Leslie, Roy's son runs the business and has the car as well as several of their other race cars.
We have been trying to get Ron interested in bringing the car out to the salt to put on display.
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Hey Larry, if you are in town I can take you over to the Kenz and Leslies museum. Ron is a very close friend of my father and our sponsor on the Amo-Stainless streamliner and Bockscar Lakester. Cool museum.
Corey :cheers:
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Well I live here so yes I am in town :)
I would love to do that some day.
Larry
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Hi Guys,
I am looking for any good pictures of the following.
#168 @ Bonneville
Weinberg Sampo Special
173.41mph - Date 1958
I believe it was a Kurtis 500S
Thank you ahead of time
Drew Gatewood
gears55@frontier.com
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Hi Guys,
I am looking for any good pictures of the following.
#168 @ Bonneville
Weinberg Sampo Special
173.41mph - Date 1958
I believe it was a Kurtis 500S
Thank you ahead of time
Drew Gatewood
gears55@frontier.com
Pretty Please!
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Drew, I am looking may take a while.
Glen
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Drew....google weinberg sampo kurtis 500s... found some info there .
Glen
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Here are a couple more pics I took of Athol's streamliner in 62 or 63.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Slidescan0003_002Small.jpg)
Athol Graham streamliner by Burly Burlile
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Slidescan0003_001Medium.jpg)
Athol Grahams streamliner leaving the start line by Burly Burlile
The car was running under Zeldines name!
Burly
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Let this fire up your libido.........................
FREUD
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Sherri, riding for Willie.........................
FREUD
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The warning sign before entering Mecca.
FREUD
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Wearing Polaroids.
FREUD
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Warms the heart and makes the salt fever need a fix. Just talked to LandsendLynda, she is doing well and has the fever as well and at least she is close enough to go see it and know the roar will be back soon. :cheers:
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Now he wants to make peace.
FREUD
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No one makes speed equipment with a crock as the logo so Bill chose a woodpecker.
FREUD
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Jerry et Sylvia HATHAWAY sur le lac salé de BONNEVILLE, leurs records sont les suivants,
1979 : 224,7 km/h ( El mirage ), 243,2 km/h ( Bonneville )
1980 : 239,2 km/h ( Bonneville )
1981 : 242,1 km/h ( El mirage ) , 275,8 km/h ( El mirage )
1985 : 321,8 km/h ( Bonneville )
1987 : 325,1km/h ( Bonneville )
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There's a combination we don't see every day -- Not only a racing Citroen on a trailer, but also a Citroen rigged as a 5th-wheel puller/truck. Yep - see 'em only once a week or so at the local hardware store or WalMart :roll:
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Jerry et Sylvia HATHAWAY sur le lac salé de BONNEVILLE, leurs records sont les suivants,
1979 : 224,7 km/h ( El mirage ), 243,2 km/h ( Bonneville )
1980 : 239,2 km/h ( Bonneville )
1981 : 242,1 km/h ( El mirage ) , 275,8 km/h ( El mirage )
1985 : 321,8 km/h ( Bonneville )
1987 : 325,1km/h ( Bonneville )
Crazy setup! I gotta go look at my speedo to know what those speeds were ;)
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Tman, I can help, Jerry and Silvia are both in the 2 Club, Silvia right at 200.0 something if I remember correctly. First SM raced at Bonneville was when they still had the Sports Racing Class... 1972 Speedweek, brand new car, Johnboy and I pulled out the leather interior and installed the roll cage. Ben Jordan was the driver. No we didn't go that year... the Air Force had other plans for us.
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Slim, forgot to mention, the trailer has the Citeron suspension in it. Very cool combo
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Multiply by .6 to get a close approximation. 8-) 8-) 8-)
In Canada we live in a semi-metric world.
Pete
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I don't remember the "Ranchero" conversion -- most of those attempts come nowhere near as cool as that one.
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Tman, I can help, Jerry and Silvia are both in the 2 Club, Silvia right at 200.0 something if I remember correctly. First SM raced at Bonneville was when they still had the Sports Racing Class... 1972 Speedweek, brand new car, Johnboy and I pulled out the leather interior and installed the roll cage. Ben Jordan was the driver. No we didn't go that year... the Air Force had other plans for us.
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Slim, forgot to mention, the trailer has the Citeron suspension in it. Very cool combo
That Citroen suspended trailer makes even more cool!
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"Slim, forgot to mention, the trailer has the Citeron suspension in it. Very cool combo"
I hate Citeron suspension.
In 1963 I was pumping gas. A Citeron pulled in and the French couple turned off the car went inside to get a soda and told me to fill it up. As I was quietly pumping gas, I looked down at the filler pipe and gas nozzle and all of a sudden the car began to raise up about 4 inches. Scared the hell out of me. I learned that the air suspension adjusts when the engine is turned off and the driver is gone. I still remember THAT car.
Bill
leaving this PM for the NW Reunion
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Bill, the suspension is actually hydraulic, if you put it all the way up you can then raise a corner to change a tire. Want a low rider, you just adjust it to the bottom.
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My mother had one of those Citroens, an ID19. Late 50's model. It was a front wheel drive car named "Powerful Pierre." The front wheels were farther apart from each other than the back wheels. She claimed the car could be cocked a certain way on the suspension and driven with one of the rear wheels missing. These were very advanced cars for their time and it was amazing the French could build them. Their country was trashed during the war and it was in the not so recent past.
The seats folded down to make a soft bed. A very French feature and quite shocking for the staid 50's. The beret I wear to the NW Reunions and BUB parties is the one my father wore when he drove her car.
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Citroen SM
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Citroen SM..... suite
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Kinda just slopped together 30 years ago.
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My mother had one of those Citroens, an ID19. Late 50's model. It was a front wheel drive car named "Powerful Pierre." The front wheels were farther apart from each other than the back wheels. She claimed the car could be cocked a certain way on the suspension and driven with one of the rear wheels missing. These were very advanced cars for their time and it was amazing the French could build them. Their country was trashed during the war and it was in the not so recent past.
The seats folded down to make a soft bed. A very French feature and quite shocking for the staid 50's. The beret I wear to the NW Reunions and BUB parties is the one my father wore when he drove her car.
Here is such a Citroën DS. But this one is slightly modified : http://sucksqueezebangblow-juice.blogspot.com/2009/04/800hp-citroen-ds-at-bonneville.html
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It is the same car.
DW
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. . . and didn't it turn green?
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Here's a few pictures of Jim Amrhein's Team Fercockta roadster from about 1972. I believe it was then running as an F/Fuel Roadster with a Slant-6 with no butterflies in the injectors and held the record as such. It's way modern for its time. It's still in the record book, thirty-six years later, holding the D/Blown Fuel Roadster record at El Mirage, set in 1975, at a respectable 223.
Let's see if I can post a picture with this . . .
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. . . and another . . .
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My bad - guess I should have watched the video.
Not the same as the Hathaway car. This one with a blown and then unblown BBC, I think it started green then went red. But, according to my other post what do I know?
DW
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Dan, I thought you meant it was Wobbly's Mom's car... I wondered how you knew :roll:
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Does anyone have pictures of al Teague’s streamliner, I have spent considerable time looking and I cannot find very many. Thanks for the help.
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The evolution of the Al Teague 'liner...
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Would anyone have pics or info on the current recoldholder for S-G1000 please?
Its listed as Riches Airtech MDR OSXR and ran 179.523 in August 2003.
Thanks in advance
jon
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Not a "vintage" photo , in fact, I took it yesterday. Display at the Autorama this year , SLC Utah. Worth the (inflated) price of admission !
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Too pretty -- I like this one better.
(If anyone wants a large high resolution file of this, Freud cleaned my slide up after 40 years and I'll email it to you if you pm me your email address. I don't know if I could pm it to you because of the file size.)
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Hey Billy. That looks like the one I took yesterday. :lol: Wayno
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I'll take a coppy of that thanks & forward it on to Al.
My guess is that's Hank Bissetti on the right, Harvey (Al's brother) at the back & possably Gill on the left.
Sid.
I think I just sent a PM, my computater did some goofy WTF crap, so we'll see.
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Here's a few pictures of Jim Amrhein's Team Fercockta roadster from about 1972... It's still in the record book, thirty-six years later, holding the D/Blown Fuel Roadster record at El Mirage, set in 1975, at a respectable 223.
Thanks for the pic Stan. I've seen that record in the book forever but never known the car. Now I do.
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When bling was cheap:
(http://www.target550.com/images/Bonneville_80s_0006.jpg)
The photo came to me via a root cellar somewhere in NY. I'm not exactly sure how, tho. :)
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Wow, I never saw Freud wearing that earring before. It goes well with his chest hair, don't you think?
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:-o I think the good Dr. looks rather,,,,ahhh,,,,dapper (?) in that image.
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He was in the Village People? Cool! :mrgreen:
Mike
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Unusual to see him with his pants on.
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I'm unaccustomed to all of this flattery.
That was taken when I was a mushroom picker.
FREUD
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That was taken when I was a mushroom picker.
As opposed to being a mushroom smoker? ;)
Larry
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Eh, Larry, ask Dallas about how the silly mushrooms are consumed not smoked. 8-)
At least that is what I've been told. :roll:
Steve
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Brewed in a Tea.... so I'm told 8-) :-D
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'shrooms was the technical term amongst the hipsters. Best kept as a package in the freezer marked, "imported whale ears."
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Eh, Larry, ask Dallas about how the silly mushrooms are consumed not smoked. 8-)
At least that is what I've been told. :roll:
Steve
Steve, there's more than one Larry. :-D :cheers: Wayno
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Back to the photos please, flashbacks :-o
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I know whatcha mean, Wayno. I distinctly remember seeing three or four of almost everyone - a few times. It was a "Yeah, man, I see it toooo..." moment.
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My bad, I have thought that Hotrod was Larry V. , :-o the older I get the more I assume.
Steve
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After seeing that picture of Freud now I have to sleep with the night light on!! Again!!!
Rex
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The actual Image is scary enough...but it`s the shadow cast that gives me the Heebie Geebies.....talk about `Where The Wild Things Are `........ :-D :-D
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh, Shrooms! Or how to get arrested for laughing way too much while meandering through a pasture amongst a herd of cows.................... not that I would know :roll:
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Wow, I never saw Freud wearing that earring before. It goes well with his chest hair, don't you think?
Isn't this picture from the time when he was a light socket checker?
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JoeBlystfk publish on its profile: "Fairly new here to the forum and wanted to let anyone interested know about our project.
Bill Davis and I are building a recreation of the City of Burbank Streamliner that ran at Bonneville in 1952. Bill, or Willie as we call him, is the Bill Davis of Hill Davis. Our goal is to return to Bonnevillle in 2012 to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the first runs of this car.
You can see more of the project at facebook " Hill Davis":
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100002067660930
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Best rental car I've ever had.
FREUD
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Best rental car I've ever had.
FREUD
I may drink a little beer but I fear you guys did things that may render a State or Federal offense these days :-o
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Ignorance is my best defense.
It sure is nice that my memory is slipping.
On the freeway at 70 MPH in cruise I gently slipped it into reverse.
The 18 wheeler that was tailgating me, as the smoke boiled off my back tires,
saw his trailer try to pass him. Now that was exciting.
It did not come out of cruise. It just buried the pedal against the floor.
Now that was a great feature.
I imagine he didn't believe it when the back up lights flashed on.
FREUD
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Which is you? The beard or the hat? :mrgreen:
Mike
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The hat -- he continues to exceed the legend.
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Best rental car I've ever had
FREUD
Bell bottoms :roll: hated them, used to get stuck in my bike sprocket all the time.
Did you get the corenthium leather with that rental?
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That car had all the bells and whistles.
We went to the airport to tell Treit good bye. He had the ramp lizard top the tanks before leaving.
When we were ready to leave I did it with a marvelous switchback.
The smoke was difficult to see thru but the lizard on the ladder was very interested in the smoke.
He was SO INTERESTED that he pulled the nozzle out of the tank and washed the wing and the pad down with AV gas.
Treit raised his voice calling the lizard back to attention.
The switch back was such a dandy that it was visible for 4 years. I know because I checked each year.
That car had marvelous tires.
It also had a great ignition system. The reason I had that car was because of 5 miles of water from Lands End to the pits.
10 MPH speedlimit was enforced. Well I was a tad late getting out and so I went 55 MPH. The water flew as high as the windows
and when I made it to the pits the car was running on about 4 cyls. The catalytic converter was crackling like fireworks on the 4th of July.
When I raised the hood the engine looked like frost on the refer tubes in an old time meat market. There was a massive amount of salt
distributed in the engine compartment but that baby began to clean out and I decided I didn't have to call AAA. My joy was soon changed to
dismay when an official of the SCTA came to talk to me. It seems that I had passed Bob Higby as I was going to the pits but since he was
observing the speed limit it would still be 15 minutes before he could get there to council me. I had plenty of time but I told the messenger that I
would go find Bob when he made it to dry ground.
When I decided to evacuate that place there was a hole under the converter that was at least
14" in diameter and a foot deep that was surrounded by crystals. It was a hole of beauty. Nature is so marvelous.
When I met Bob he just looked at me and said, "I should have known!"
He explained to me that no cars would be running until he was at the starting line and there was no reason for me to hurry.
I asked him, "Is that all he wanted to tell me?"
That sure was a great car.
FREUD
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FREUD: Hunter S. Thompson had nothing on you.
Willi :cheers:
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How about:
"Freud and Madness in Wendover"
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Subtitled:
"The behind the scenes story that Louise Ann could never tell"
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Best rental car I've ever had.
FREUD
I may drink a little beer but I fear you guys did things that may render a State or Federal offense these days :-o
TMan........The statue of limitations must offer some protection.
At least I hope so. Would it be a State or Federal case for stealing ( borrowing ) all the Pyrex insulators from the "abandon telephone poles?
Lord, don't let Louise Ann present my adventures to the world. Most people don't even know where Bonneville is let alone
understand the "Can You Top This" attitude required to stay ahead of Don Vesco. He and Kenny Roberts have been my biggest challenges.
Don can't defend himself anymore and I think Kenny has devoted his life to acquiring new wives.
FREUD
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TMan........The statue of limitations must offer some protection.
Pa, you are a monument to a distinct LACK of limitations......... :wink:
I just took a cursory glimpse at that pic and thought "yep, ..........our trunk looked like a mobile........"
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to my friend Freud,
more and more I understand why we are so friends......
you was a maniac at the salt as I'm today.....JoAnn and Lee (Kennedy) maybe can confirm this :roll: :roll:
we both like to make great picture outside the box
we both like to enjoy today...stay upright.....stay crazy...have fun
The late Gene Burkland said some years ago to me....you be the follow up from..he called two names....one was your name....
To this time I had no idea why he said this.....but meanwhile....now I had learn more from you....maybe he was right....I think he knew you very well :-D
Freud...I'm looking for to see you at the salt.....at the Kilo Club......
...and at the Salt Talk
I'm counting the days....
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Wow, getting mushy around here. :-D It's good to have friends :cheers:
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I'm lucky to have them.
FREUD
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Me too since most folks I work with think I'm an a-hole....
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Best rental car I've ever had.
FREUD
Wow, that looks like Mike and Susan McArty...... :-D
.....or someone that looks like them......
Great photo....as usual.
Matt Guzzetta
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Dearly departed Dr. Bob Graves.
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Scanned polaroid, not very clear.
Don
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Later in the day.............
Thanks Salt. Them was the days....
FREUD
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Nicely done Glen.
I had to degrade it in order to post.
If you had the original to work with it would have been better yet.
Thanks, Don
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Sometimes it is better to just take a picture of the foto and post it.
Settings on scanners can be a problem.
I hoped you wouldn't mind if I altered it a little.
FREUD
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(http://www.hyfire.com/lsr_1960.jpg)
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(http://www.hyfire.com/lsr_1958.jpg)
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(http://www.hyfire.com/1963_thatcher.jpg)
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(http://www.hyfire.com/norm_art.jpg)
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(http://www.hyfire.com/1958_thatcher_300d.jpg)
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Red Hat with a broken frame.
1969 or 1970?
FREUD
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^^^Same bike, same spot, same day, same time. Except two STP stickers have been erased from your photo, one on the tail and one under the "&", Richards & Holtan...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Untitled-21G_zps07a6d81e.jpg)
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Red Hat with a broken frame.
1969 or 1970?
FREUD
1969
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Found a few..... :-o
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a few more....
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Some more....
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Does anyone know where the Carr-Kaplan lakester is now? It is such a great car.
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It's in the NHRA museum in Pomona. A little history this car went 306 mph in the dirt before Kenny B. ran 300 at the drags 8 months later. The car was sold and crashed at El Mirage. All of the pieces were saved and Mike Cook Jr. took it on as a restoration project and with the help of a few donations they completed the car and donated it to the museum. There is a whole section of LSR vehicles on display and tons of other goodies and pictures. The museum is on the NHRA web site.
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Here's one that's a bit........... different.
The B. Burke owuld be well known car constructor and racer Bill Burke
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I wonder how many cars he has built, sure could write a book on him.
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Streamliner, you are wrong.
I did not remove any decals. I have the original 2 1/4 x 2 3/4 transparency on my desk.
I was there when he stepped out of the bike.
I doubt that the bike ever ran again.
FREUD
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Freud,
There's no way I'm going to bet against you! :cheers:
Same oil drops on the salt and the tire hasn't moved. Maybe he added them (or took them away?). The Gyronaut didn't get STP's sponsor money until AFTER it had won the awards (and press photos) at the 1965 Detroit Autorama, even though it was a done deal months before...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Untitled-20G.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image1G.jpg)
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I bought 2 Mickey Thompson tires from a guy in Ojai who had the molds for the Gyro......Wonder if he still has them.............
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Real easy to "add" stickers during a photo op. Ever seen a NASCAR driver changing sponsor hats during an interview?
I would submit that those stickers were likely added during the photo session in anticipation of the STP sponsorship deal.
Regardless interesting bit of photo trivia.
If you look at the shadows under the bike in the three pictures, it looks to me that Freuds picture was shot first and the other two pictures a bit later in the day, as the shadows are farther back on the second of the pictures with decals than the first. That implies the bike was on display for some period of time, making minor setup changes like adding the stickers a 30 second change for a new picture setup.
Larry
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That was my thought as well Larry. I love that little liner~!
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That record was an amazing happening.
FREUD
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I recall: "STP - ON my side!" :-)
But not IN my engine! :cheers:
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Can anyone ID this lakester (I guess it woulda been a streamliner back in the day)?
Thanks for any help,
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Johnson and Shipley circa 1963 or earlier.
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=search2
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Johnson and Shipley circa 1963 or earlier.
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=search2
Thanks, pal. That helped a ton!
I'm headin out for the domain of the Lord of the Flies in a coupla hours. I'll be doin updates as soon as practicable. Ohh...and I have some weapons of mass fly destruction...I hope. I sprayed the inside of my Burb with "flying insect killer" that's supposed to remain effective for 4 weeks (yeahrightsure), fly strips, fly swatters and electric hand-held insect zappers that look like small tennis rackets and take a coupla D cells. Maybe I can amuse myself by keeping a "kill count" on my dashboard or something. :)
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The flies aren't nearly as bad as they were yesterday, I'm happy to report. Maybe two or three where yesterday fifty or sixty were dive bombing us. There are still a few of 'em out here -- but not so bad. Come on down.
We just learned that our bike will be a few hours yet in arriving - maybe early this afternoon instead of now. Ah, no use in complaining. It'll arrive when it does.
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The flies aren't nearly as bad as they were yesterday, I'm happy to report. Maybe two or three where yesterday fifty or sixty were dive bombing us. There are still a few of 'em out here -- but not so bad. Come on down.
We just learned that our bike will be a few hours yet in arriving - maybe early this afternoon instead of now. Ah, no use in complaining. It'll arrive when it does.
Well, if the fly count is way down and stays that way, I guess we'll have plenty of stuff for the next plague. Maybe you'd wanna keep summa the stuff in yer trailer for emergency defensive weapons.
See ya in a few hours. Ohh...if ya see Jo Moch's blue Ferrari (I think it's a 458, but I'm not sure) and/or Van & Cathy Butler's bike/pits, could ya keep me in mind and note their location? I need to contact 'em as soon as I get there.
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Ray, the Two fellers involved with that lakester are Jeff Shipley of The JAZ saltwinder and Haas streamliners, And Don "the Beachcomber" Johnson of Top fuel dragster fame. Two legends for sure.......
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Right Shipley, wrong Johnson.
That'll be the late HOWARD Johnson 1969 200 mph club member who lost a limb in a Landracing accident.
Don't know that '60s Don the Beachcomber ever did the salt.
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I thought Don "the Beachcomber" Johnson was a two club member from the class of '63? Tony
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... I guess it woulda been a streamliner back in the day...
:?That's a strange comment.
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If you go back far enough, what we now call "Lakesters" were called "Streamliners". When fully enclosed cars began showing up the classes were separated. But that was before Bonneville SpeedWeek started running.
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IB, Better double check. I am pretty sure that is Don Johnson. I knew Howard Johnson also, and he looked nothing like the guy in the photo. I have also seen pictures of that car that say Don Johnson.
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I also believe Howard Johnson was partnered up with Jeff Shipley on a different lakester later in the 60's-early 70's. That car was a front engined slingshot type car. It might be the same car of Jeff's that was still running in the 90's out of Wyoming under the banner of "Condor Racing". Their trailer was lettered on the side to read "Roofing, Racing and Raingutters"......... I wonder if Howard's son Lyle still has their lakester. It had a beauty shot in Howard Lepp's book from about 25 years ago.
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Shoulda enlarged the photo. That plainly isn't Howard next to Jeff.
I stand corrected on the Johnsons
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Not-so-mellow Yellows.
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/1030.jpg)
Charles, Did you notice the "Ducts" on this Stude!
Pino Ceccato and Bud Jones 1971 with boss 302 ford, 201mph on gas, might have been 1st doorslammer unblown smallblock
on gas over 200 :-o In addition to the ducts they had a big water tank and lead in the trunk.
JL222
Sorry for the two year old bump.... my dad bought this car from Ceccato & Jones after they were done with it. Prior to Ceccato & Jones owning it it was Rochlitzer and Bennett. One time when my dad towed it out to run at El Mirage, the drain on the big water tank broke and all the water was lost. Decided to run it without the water (ballast) and spun. Once stopped, dad got out of the car which was full of swirlling dust. Patrol came up and shot him with a fire extinguisher thinking that he was on fire. Apparently the car was a handful even with all the water and without it... well you see what happens. Sold the car to the Carters. Guess they pulled the good parts off of it and scraped the rest. I think I've seen one or two pics of it while it was in my dad's posession.
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The man on left is Don The Beachcomber Johnson for sure - 1963 was the year he put
himself in the B'ville 200 MPH Club at 255.501 with Jeff Shipleys' 300 inch Chyrsler
- I was there (so was Freud). The next year Fred Murphy drove the Lakester to a 263 down
run with the wind killing any chance for a return run for the record.
The car is being restored as we speak by our own Kiwi Steve Davies.
Pat Kinne
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Just saw the streamliner with the STP sticker question; I remember when I arrived at impound in '69, I was offered a goodie box by STP if I'd get my pic taken with stickers on my bike. The STP guys had a little spot on the edge of impound where they were taking your pic and giving out free stuff (after your return run). You got two T-shirts, two plastic safari hats, two STP hats, a bunch of oil additive, and two "super lightweight" STP jackets!
We all wanted the box to get those two spiffy, red, STP jackets. They were pretty cool looking, back in the day! Like everybody else, I "lightly" stuck the stickers on the tail of my bike, got my freebies, and then pulled the stickers later.
Hope this might add a little to that story and questions.
Regards, JimL
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Pat, I wish I had met you in 1963.
FREUD
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Just saw the streamliner with the STP sticker question; I remember when I arrived at impound in '69, I was offered a goodie box by STP if I'd get my pic taken with stickers on my bike. The STP guys had a little spot on the edge of impound where they were taking your pic and giving out free stuff (after your return run). You got two T-shirts, two plastic safari hats, two STP hats, a bunch of oil additive, and two "super lightweight" STP jackets!
We all wanted the box to get those two spiffy, red, STP jackets. They were pretty cool looking, back in the day! Like everybody else, I "lightly" stuck the stickers on the tail of my bike, got my freebies, and then pulled the stickers later.
Hope this might add a little to that story and questions.
Regards, JimL
I'll ask Buddy Jones if thats how he got the world's uglyist t-shirt ( small stp logos over the whole T-shirt)
and he still wears it at Bville :-o
JL222
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It can't be worse than Andy Granitelli's Indy 500 "pajamas".
Will6er
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Photo from an old post shows the red jackets and STP tshirts we got in '69. Its the pic of a group in the motorcycle line ( left lane, that year). I think the polka-dot stp shirts were a few years later?
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5202.0;attach=8643;image
You can also see the plastic hats; pretty sure this was a riders meeting but cant remember if it was the one about the ruts, the one about the wind, or? It was before the 750-4 Honda went down, so earlier in the week.
JimL
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Both Richards and Holtan confirmed that sponsor stickers were added and removed for photos, with much disappointment, since they had nearly zero support from any sponsor...
:cheers:
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How's this?
FREUD
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Real easy to "add" stickers during a photo op. Ever seen a NASCAR driver changing sponsor hats during an interview?
I would submit that those stickers were likely added during the photo session in anticipation of the STP sponsorship deal.
Larry
...and a little proof that "stickers" were added even well after the photos were taken. I just found these: The original pic is from July 1964, no stickers in any of the photos from that shoot. The newspaper clipping was from January 1965, where it's pretty clear the stickers were added to the photo, since STP wasn't even considered a sponsor in 1964, and the bike was a completely different color scheme by the end of 1964. Andy Granatelli and STP were being courted as a sponsor at the 1965 Detroit Autorama, just a few days prior to the magazine article, but probably too soon for newer pics to be published...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/uofm600.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/w-stp.jpg)
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SAM
FREUD
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Gil Ruiz built this about the same time that Markleys built the yellow 360 roadster.
FREUD
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Early diesel truck.
FREUD
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The timing stand was on the mountain side but the return road was on the freeway side.
The air ambulance was at the timing stand. Mrs. Gillette provided the ambulance and Bill Woofendin (SP?)
flew the air ambulance.
The group of cars behind the timing tower were the spectators.
FREUD
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Same year as the truck and 471 roadster.
FREUD
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Same year as the truck and 471 roadster.
FREUD
The Weston families little Turbo pumped 2.0 Pinto powered there Ghia to well over 140 MPH. That explains the BIG scoop!
Burly
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What he gained in traction he lost in aero.........
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Started as the dual Harley that was built by Bob George.
Then the power plants were used as the basis for this 'liner.
FREUD
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I’ve been doing a little digging, and I followed through with some research into this cool little streamliner that GeneF posted pictures of early in my build diary.
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/img007.jpg)
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/img008.jpg)
Seems it wound up at Speedy Bill’s in Lincoln, Nebraska, after being upgraded with a Coventry Climax engine, which replaced the original Midget motor.
http://www.museumofamericanspeed.com/DisplayGroup.aspx?displayID=2006
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What he gained in traction he lost in aero.........
is that Rob Bush?
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C R S !
FREUD
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Not the oldest pic but an old car
And a FAST old car on a very short wheelbase. What was the top speed you acheived with the little 'liner Bo? 185 something?
Burly
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Nicely done Glen.
I had to degrade it in order to post.
If you had the original to work with it would have been better yet.
Thanks, Don
From the looks of your firewheel photo you were having a great night at Roads Bend ! Good times...........................
Burly
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From the looks of your firewheel photo you were having a great night at Roads Bend ! Good times...........................
Burly
You were probably there Burly.
Don
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Wheeler Dick Zook captured this image way back when traversing the dirt road onto El Mirage.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/DickZookphotoscan0001_0022-Copyjpg.jpg)
Photo by Dick Zook
Anyone know the racers?
Burly
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Need a aprox year.
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Glen, I would have to guess early sixties. Dick went into the service and the desert racing for a long period after that.
Burly
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No. 2 car gotta be somebody.
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In 1966 Pete Dean (SDRC) ran a #2 C/GR at Bonneville. No Time listed. At El Mirage 1963 #2 is still listed as Pete Dean and he ran a speed of145.63 mph. C/GR.He is the one for sure.Hope this helps. :cheers:
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Pete ran #2 for many years. Car is old enough to look much like Pete's. I don't recon the truck. Any SDRC historians here?
DW
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I got a note from Chuck Embrey about the car. Here's pretty much what he had to say:
Here's something about Dave Zook's photo of the Orange #2 roadster: The car belonged to John Hagen of the Rod Riders. It was Chevy powered. I was a Road Runner at the time and saw the car often at El Mirage.
There you have it, boys and girls. I've got Chuck's email address if you want to get in touch with him.
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Got these pics from Richard Knudson, probably the one guy who is more rabid about land racing MG’s and their history than I am. He’s written a half-dozen books on MG, and he was gracious enough to share these pics with me from his trip to Bonneville in 1997.
DW tells me this MG-F ran 217, and was a “time only” entry. Love the uber-hip Jetson’s style canopy.
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/knudsen%20pics/13750041.jpg)
Anyone help me put some names with these cars? – also from Dick’s trip in ’97 . . .
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/knudsen%20pics/13750010.jpg)
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/knudsen%20pics/13750013.jpg)
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/knudsen%20pics/13750028.jpg)
(http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo58/milwaukeemidget/knudsen%20pics/13750043.jpg)
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The second one would be Richard Thomason's/Ed Tradup's Danny Boy. No big mystery -- the Danny Boy series of cars is still running at Bville.
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Dave Davidson now owns the Willys. Don't know if he bought it before or after the shot.
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And the MG ... wasn't it a sister car to the MG wagon that Andy Green (?) ran. Time Only probably as it didn't fit class rules.
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Third pic, I don't remember the gentleman's name. He rolled over not too far from the starting line ended up on his side on fire. This incident resulted in a rule change about fuel flow in the case of a roll over.
Fourth is the Demsey electric streamliner, Pat Rummerfield driver.
Last is the Giovani(sp) roadster. The original car, Spurgon/Giovani was SCTA champ in 1949. Four cylinder Chevy, 3 port Olds head. Now restored and a Pebble Beach contender. This car ran a model B if I remeber correctly.
DW
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The MG was a pre-release model that was to be offered to the public. Terry Kilbourne, KKM Racing Monza, worked at the Range Rover store in Encino at the time. It was discovered that he had extensive racing and salt creeds so he was brought on board to help. The team pitted with us at Speed Week. When the water pump gave up one was sourced from the English team's motorhome. Terry drove to 217 best speed. Water pump back in place, everyone returns to their homes happy and tired.
DW
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The liner is (I believe) electric and the product of the Arivet Bros. and Ed Randberg.
There are present day liners pulled of its mold.
Interested Bystander knows more.
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The 37 or 38 Willy's was built and owned by Woody Parker from Grants Pass (or thereabouts), Oregon. The car got sideways and the running boards were so low that they bit into the salt and it became a Turtle.
The car was rebuilt and raced again the next year. Bob
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The 37 or 38 Willy's was built and owned by Woody Parker from Grants Pass (or thereabouts), Oregon. The car got sideways and the running boards were so low that they bit into the salt and it became a Turtle.
The car was rebuilt and raced again the next year. Bob
I think Street Rodder featured this car?
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Third pic, I don't remember the gentleman's name. He rolled over not too far from the starting line ended up on his side on fire. This incident resulted in a rule change about fuel flow in the case of a roll over.
Fourth is the Demsey electric streamliner, Pat Rummerfield driver.
Last is the Giovani(sp) roadster. The original car, Spurgon/Giovani was SCTA champ in 1949. Four cylinder Chevy, 3 port Olds head. Now restored and a Pebble Beach contender. This car ran a model B if I remeber correctly.
DW
Bob and Curt Giovanine roadster (Bob passed away about 12 years ago BUT was 80 yrs old or better and still driving ) Curt still has the roadster in Bishop Calif.
Engine is a 1925 Chev that Curt made a special head for. They ran some nitro and had trouble holding the fragile block together, Joe Bogosian made a thick plate for the bottom end with bolts running from top of head to help.
From what I understand this is not allowed anymore so engine was outlawed.
Bob told me it was running over the record whan a hood strap came loose.
JL222
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4th pic Streamliner...
For Sale....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/World-Record-Streamliner-/221180575131
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTEyMlgxMzE0/z/lTgAAOxy4kpQ~a8w/$T2eC16Z,!ysE9sy0i3e)BQ+,8wC9D!~~60_12.JPG)
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WOW! I didn't know it was for sale. I wonder what the reserve is?
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Minimum bid 10 grand, wish the tax refund would get here.....
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And the MG ... wasn't it a sister car to the MG wagon that Andy Green (?) ran. Time Only probably as it didn't fit class rules.
The MG Wagon was a C/GALT SoCal Speed Shop / Kiwi Steve effort that I got to drive, not my hero and yours Andy Green. We were shooting for a
200MPH time slip and ended up with a 225plus effort. - Big fun on my part and a great bunch of English guys - Pat Kinne
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For Sale.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/World-Record-Streamliner-/221180575131
Wish they would show current pictures of it. I tried to view it last year when in Los Angeles but couldn't get a response. Definitely still interested. Thanks for posting -- I wouldn't have seen it. Anyone have a direct contact for? (PM me offline if available)
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How about old Bonneville moving pictures? Today, on my weekly Youtube search on Bonneville, I came across this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_7jK7kz3A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_7jK7kz3A)
Take a look at some the other videos that guy has posted, Daytona Beach, Sebring, Ab Jenkins, F1, etc.
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Here are a couple more. There is a good interview with a young Al Teague in part 2 also shows Craig Breedlove crash in the canal in part 1. Question who is the announcer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=bkl15egUszI&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Em8tYoP-7s&feature=endscreen&NR=1
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Found this 1998 video on the 2 club site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3MocwuTkZs&feature=relmfu
Some oldies but goodies her.
DW
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For Sale.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/World-Record-Streamliner-/221180575131
Wish they would show current pictures of it. I tried to view it last year when in Los Angeles but couldn't get a response. Definitely still interested. Thanks for posting -- I wouldn't have seen it. Anyone have a direct contact for? (PM me offline if available)
It was sold to someone in Colorado so I was told.
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It is now owned by long time friend and 2 club member Martyn Sutton. He has been racing with Stainless and I for a long time. He is doing a father and sons project, his son Nick also got in the 2 club driving the Bockscar #1000 lakester. His youngest, Travis also set records on his motorcycle. Just in the plaining stage now. More info to come :cheers:
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Neil Thompson, 1965ish? Photo by Alex Tremulis...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image3FB_zpsdf3d7eea.jpg)
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Nice picture of the white whale.....also hemi powered.......I miss Neil.........JD
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A lot of us miss Neil.
FREUD
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A couple more from Alex's stash. Were those rear fenders hinged???
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image3sFB_zps3a9a2094.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/Image4sFB_zpsc887acbc.jpg)
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I see the class -- A/CC. that's A/Classic Compact, a production class, right?
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A/Competition Coupe. 265.131 MPH in 1966...
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I was trying to make a joke -- I'll try harder next time.
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Well, that figures... I thought I had something there besides just pretty pictures! :cry:
I'll stick to the pics: 1965, Bobby Tatroe's shagadelic office inside Walt Arfons' Wingfoot Express II, photo by Alex Tremulis:
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/arfonscockpit_zps684c8416.jpg)
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I was trying to make a joke -- I'll try harder next time.
We got it Stan but it might have blown right by Jr.
Sid.
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I was trying to make a joke -- I'll try harder next time.
We got it Stan but it might have blown right by Jr.
Sid.
No... If so, then it would have been A/BCC. Even I know that! :wink:
Burke and Cagle...
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/BurkeCagleFB_zps64c34351.jpg)
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Messerschmidt? (sp?)
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Recently I got a batch of photos from a Brit guy that goes to the Swedish SpeedWeekend on Ice. They're up in the Gallery per this note from Bob (who puts large files there 'cause his service is much faster than mine):
Got the Woody scans up, under Special Galleries, Old photos.....
Speedweekend on Ice is up, 3 years' worth, also under Special Galleries, 1088 files!
As you can see, there are some photos now there from Woody, too. Enjoy them, you hear me?
PS You know, now that I see it -- I realise that I should have posted this in the Swedish part of the site. Well, tough -- it's here for now. I'll put it there, too.
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Jon,
Thanks for doing that, Woody will be glad to see them on there. Now I've got to get the 8mm movies that he has on VHS tape converted to DVD's. Hope everybody realizes that all of these old things need to be archived before everybody is too old to remember who is in the pictures.
Thanks again, Jon
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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These aren't Bonneville, but these are a couple of my own old shots that I scanned yesterday. Belgrade Montana 1960.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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More please. :cheers:
Don
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Hope the guy in charge of this establishment doesn't mind the non-Bonneville shots. Here's Gene Burkland at Belgrade Montana 1958.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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That appears to be Pontiac power in the Stan Hester rail job in Montana. Anybody know anything about it?
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Pontiacs were big in that area at that time. Stan is the short guy in the white shirt. The guy with his back to the camera is Leo Robbins a big Pontiac racer at that time. He knew all of the Pontiac engineering people in Pontiac and went back every year and got a factory driveout of a new car. Usually on the day of the new car showing at the local dealership. The white car on the right in the picture is Leo's. I have heard that Hester's rail is being restored in Great Falls, Mt. but I don't know by whom. There are many Pontiac stories from that area at that time.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Hope the guy in charge of this establishment doesn't mind the non-Bonneville shots. Here's Gene Burkland at Belgrade Montana 1958.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
That pushtruck is pretty rad~! Canted quads and Chevy rear fenders!
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Here's a twin small block car at Spokane in 1960. [Tell me when to quit].
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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["Tell me when to quit"]
When you run out of photo's.
Don
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Here's the same Spokane race about 59 or 60. A Chrysler powered Potvin blown rail.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Thanks Doug.
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Here's one for the roadster banger guys. Spokane 59.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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one of my favorite cars...
(http://hexhead.smugmug.com/Cars/lsr/land-speed/i-GXGDwcc/0/M/autowp.ru_mg_ex181_1-M.jpg)
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Found this photo on another forum, but no infos or copyright. It's a Ferrari 250 GT Boano. Maybe that someone can identify the owner/driver and the year?
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Two pictures recently posted at CustomCarChronicle.com from the camera lens of Woody Barber as taken at El Mirage in 1970.
(this is one of my favorite threads on this forum and I wish people would post here more often!)
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Today I got a message from Mike Bourg. He said he and both of his boys were at SpeedWeek 2013 taking photos for Hot Rod Hotline. HRH bought a few, published a few -- and now Mike has offered to send about 2,500 of them (yeah, twenty-five hundred!) to me to put on the site - or do whatever I/we want to do with them. In that quantity it'd take me forever and a day to get them into our gallery (kinda slow service here in Skandia, Michigan, you understand) so Bob will get them into the gallery for us. I mentioned to Mike that he might want to watermark 'em and give attribution to the photos and so on so that he'd have a way to reclaim some of the $$ he spent to get the photos. I don't know whether he will - it's his choice, and I want all of the folks here to remember that photos are the property of the photographer - who gets to make the decision on whether they're available for reuse.
Anyway -- keep an eye out for his stuff in the Gallery. They oughta be in there within a week or two (3 DVDs have to get mailed to Bob first, then uploaded). And I realise that these aren't specifically germane to this Old Bonneville Pictures topic, but since you all seem to enjoy looking at our vehicles -- here comes a chance to see a bunch of photos from just last year.
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SSS, how about you pick say ten pictures of the week and post them it will take some time but be easier for a few at a time and note the credit goes to the photog. :cheers:
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Two pictures recently posted at CustomCarChronicle.com from the camera lens of Woody Barber as taken at El Mirage in 1970.
(this is one of my favorite threads on this forum and I wish people would post here more often!)
That's Jim Travis' yellow roadster in the background. He still has it along with almost everything he ever built! Most of us remember his pumpkin seen and the resto he did on the M/TY Challenger
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Saw these on ebay Be sure to read the listing as it tell who is who in the photos. I can not see them very well but they are great.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-15-original-2-25x1-75-b-w-photos-Bonneville-Salt-Flats-Cycle-magazine-1950s-/251523242692
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-12-original-2-25x1-75-b-w-photos-Bonneville-Salt-Flats-Cycle-magazine-1950s-/271479015240?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f35690748
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-12-original-2-25x1-75-b-w-photos-Bonneville-Salt-Flats-Cycle-magazine-1950s-/271480782365?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f3583fe1d
Really cool Vincents and some hot rods also. How about that fairing on the one bike.
Somebody will buy those.
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I am new to this forum, I saw here that someone posted pictures of the Babler-Clark Belly tank, It was my parents and grandparents that were good friends of theirs and was the Bay Area Muffler on the tank.
I will add a pic from 1962 of it on trailer in Santa Monica with grandparents. But I need to resize it
Also they said they new Dick Clark, Was wondering if I can get some copies of the pics for my garage to go with the one i have
Hot Rod did a feature on the car as well
The also raced Dragsters
Thanx
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I am new to this forum, I saw here that someone posted pictures of the Babler-Clark Belly tank, It was my parents and grandparents that were good friends of theirs and was the Bay Area Muffler on the tank.
Attached is a Pic from 1962 with my grandparents with tank at the shop in Santa Monica
Also they said they new Dick Clark, Was wondering if I can get some copies of the pics for my garage to go with the one i have
Hot Rod did a feature on the car as well
The also raced Dragsters
Thanx
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That's a great picture!
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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It's over 40 years old.
1971 pin is on the other side.
It's too heavy to wear.
FREUD
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Our great friend: Ray Therat
This was taken at Gas Up in Buellton, CA several years ago.
RIP, Ray
FREUD
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Plug your ears.
It's nasty.
FREUD
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Our great friend: Ray Therat
This was taken at Gas Up in Buellton, CA several years ago.
RIP, Ray
FREUD
Going to be a big void this year at Bonneville with out that Ray and that red suburban..
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Hidden meaning? :?
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You are safe Jack.
Just a bump to get it back in the stream of observation.
Don't get paranoid.
FREUD
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Doc:
Good to see you post. I miss the T550 updates.
BR
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I just received a new header foto on the Target550 site.
Clare Sanders, a long time ago noted funny car driver, will be doing the posting for us.
I have sent him a post and will talk to him Thursday about activating the Target 500 site.
It may happen this week and to a certain degree I plan to post like Ray did when we frequent the USFRA T and T.
I know I will be posting on Landracing.com and intend to also post on Target550.com.
I'm not holding my breath but I am holding my stream.
FREUD
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Thanks Freud.
I miss the posts.
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The Golden Rod at the FORD museum.
It is magnificent and just inside the display area.
FREUD
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So does anyone know more about this streamliner?
[originally posted: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=538642259612736&set=p.538642259612736&type=3&theater]
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At a guess I'd say electric.
Sid.
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So does anyone know more about this streamliner?
[originally posted: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=538642259612736&set=p.538642259612736&type=3&theater]
This is Don Baumea's soap box racer, he built this racer for himself.....when he once showed up at a soap box race, the organizer nearly had a heart attack, when he explain...that this is his way to build a soap box racer and that he is the driver.....he was maybe a little bit too outside of the box for the organizer....
There was a nice article from Don about this racer about a year ago in the Fast Facts magazine #93...from the Speed Record Club
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Wet out there.
Dry in town.
FREUD
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FREUD, big Max here, thanks a bunch from the Lambky liner team for providing TAXI service for little Max and showing him the town of Wendover. Deeply appreciated.
KANSAS BAD MAN
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No problem BAD MAN.
He behaved well and told great family stories.
Quite a group.
FREUD
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Saw these else where on the interweb.
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I saw this on Ebay. Anybody know anything about it?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Corvette-corvette-1954-corvette-vintage-race-car-barn-find-project-bonneville-salt-flat-/151518736394?forcerrptr=true&hash=item234738700a&item=151518736394&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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I think the ducks are dead. Rustyist fiberglass I've ever seen.
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Who needs air cooled front brakes at Bonneville was my thought?
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The bidding's long past what I'd pay for it. The suspension and frame sure appear to have made an appearance on the salt.
Pete
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I agree it's bad, but I was wondering if Glen or anybody knew it's past? May have been cool at one time.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Nope, don't recall seeing this one. :cheers: :dhorse:
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Guessing by the size of the rear wheel cutouts, I would say drag car.
Ron
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Thought this may be of interest.
The bike has been completely restored.
Both vehicles were designed by Alex Tremulis.
Great project.
FREUD
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Wow -- wouldja look at that great salt? Maybe we'll see it like that again. . . :lol:
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Jon, that picture was taken last year. :wink: Wayno
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Oh yer tuff on him Wayno. :-D
I believe that is the fiberglass replica Tucker on a Lincoln chassis that was one of the movie cars.
Sid.
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Freud, that liner used a Triumph Bonneville engine like the one in your bike. It was the world's fastest at one time.
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The bike used two Triumph engines to get the record.
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http://www.gyronautx1.com/
http://www.robidaconcepts.com/#!tucker-48
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This is a picture from 1950 Bonneville of Fran Banister's roadster. He along with his wife and young son drove from Eastern Massachusetts followed by Francis Cain in the 40 Ford push car. Fran blew the engine racing and replaced it on the Salt.
Fran returned to the salt 25 years later with a roadster borrowed from Jack Hartney and a engine given to him by me.
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Okay, the pictures are moving, but I think this is appropriate.
Someone just posted this on youtube. From USFRA meet in 1989 broadcast on espn.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ekb4YI9UMfs (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ekb4YI9UMfs)
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Very cool, and a very appropriate thread to post it in... lots of old Bonneville there...
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We were all a lot younger 25 years ago!
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That was great Doug. Thank-you! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Pete
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Well, there went 45 minutes of my day. 'Twas great seeing the show - seeing cars and racers I know -- and a bunch that I didn't know. It was sad seeing some that aren't here any more -- but all were having a fine time - fine time, indeed.
Didja notice Terry Nish with dark hair? :evil:
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That video brought back a bunch of good memories. Certainly the high light for me was getting into the 2 club at 292 and some change in my v-6 'liner. Gordon Hoyt drove down the course to give me my red hat and blue tee shirt. He drove up beside me on the return road and said "you ran '92 average". I replied guess we were not fast enough (thinking he meant 192), Gordon said no, 292, you are in the club and I have your hat and tee shirt.
i also much enjoyed seeing a lot of racers I have been on the salt with all these years. 25 years, WOW!. Thanks for posting Doug. I took the liberty to post on Facebook as well. See you all back on the salt later this year.
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Thanks for that link! Got it bookmarked, doing house stuff at the moment :cry:
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That was my third year with Al & while I was technically still living in Australia I was working on Betsy six months of the year.
It doesn't seem that long ago but we sure look a whole heap younger.
Sid.
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Sure would be nice if ESPN had more interest in Motorsports and a little less in all things "Ball" related.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Doug, LSR is a ball related sport... :-D most of the current ESPN content is just games....
:cheers:
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Hockey isn't a ball sport but you need good bearings!. :-D
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Ernest Hemingway once said that there are only three sports- bull fighting, mountain climbing, and motor racing; all the rest are simply games.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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This one came via Facebook. Mickey Thompson's '67 Indy car running M/T Value Chevrolet according to Danny T.
(http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/Dwizdofoz/Salt%20Stuff/MT67IndycarwithMTValueChevatBonneville_zps457a1491.jpg)
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This was posted on FB the other day -- anyone have more clues to identification? Thx.
[foto credit: Rod Hynes]
link --> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205903326767559
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superleggera...that looks like Els Lohn's Wee Wee Eel streamliner.
Bill
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I think the Wee Wee Eel's
bones are in one of the casinos in Wendover,,, or anyway it was bout 4 years ago !
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Old crow is correct and the other one is in the Bill Smith Speedway museum.
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It's on the second floor of the Nugget. Pretty sad shape. People keep picking off souveniers. :cry:
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Took some photos in 2012. Hope that somebody will find a good place for it in the new museum.
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I think one of his is in Speedy Bill's museum in Lincoln.
Ron
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Back in the middle nineties the 509th Composite Group (A-Bomb) which trained secretly in Wendover had their 45th Reunion in town during Speedweek. Fred Bock, for whom the second B29 was named, recognizing me as a Bonneville fella, asked after the unveiling ceremony of the monument at the visitors center commemorating the crews if I could take him out to Speedweek to find the little red.white and blue lakester, #1000, called the Bockscar. The Bockscar had been named for his B29 and I was proud to take him in my little VW coupe out to the salt. Below is a photo of Fred Bock, myself and Bockscar, a Bonneville racer that has gone onto a long and distinguished career at Bonneville.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bonneville%20Old/B%20409%20Burly%20Bock%20Slide0081%20-%20Copy_zps31kk5lmd.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/36hplandspeedracer/media/Bonneville%20Old/B%20409%20Burly%20Bock%20Slide0081%20-%20Copy_zps31kk5lmd.jpg.html)
Photo by Burly Burlile
God Speed Fred..................................(1918 to 2000)
Burly
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Nice photo of you with Fred. I remember that day. A photo of the car was in the visitors center.
John
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Fred and Ben Jordan were acquaintances, basically how the car was named... after the last airplane to drop a nuclear weapon in anger... Fred enjoyed our take on the nose art.
He spent a large part of the day racing with us, which back then required a lot of waiting and story telling.
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Nice photo of you with Fred. I remember that day. A photo of the car was in the visitors center.
John
Thanx for letting us "kidnap" the car for a couple of photos John. What is Bockscars fastest speed to date? I never saw the visitors center photo. Sorry I missed it as I stop in at least once a year.
Burly
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H/BGL with Stainless driving 245 and change one way, things happen sometimes when you run hard :-o
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What things?
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Blown head gasket and a burnt valve, don't know what happened first.
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This ones close to your heart as well I suppose.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bonneville%20Old/Z%20Slide%20scan0019%201_zpsxnkdwgva.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/36hplandspeedracer/media/Bonneville%20Old/Z%20Slide%20scan0019%201_zpsxnkdwgva.jpg.html)
Photo by Burly Burlile
Burly
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Loved these guys as they introduced me to Bonneville. Jack Stewart, Jim Seabridge (where are you Jim ? ? ? ), Dick Zook and the crazy crew of Wheelers.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bonneville%20Old/Wheelers_SCTA1Small.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/36hplandspeedracer/media/Bonneville%20Old/Wheelers_SCTA1Small.jpg.html)
Burly
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Anyone out there remember the time vandals created a "little extra work" for the racers? Nothing could pull it out of the mud except teamwork and sweat!
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bonneville%20Old/Circa1963byBurlyBurlileSmall.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/36hplandspeedracer/media/Bonneville%20Old/Circa1963byBurlyBurlileSmall.jpg.html)
Photo by Burly Burlile
Burly
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Dick Zook helps Glenn Deed drop the Hemi into his beautiful yellow Stude.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bonneville%20Old/Bville62-65scan0001_003Small.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/36hplandspeedracer/media/Bonneville%20Old/Bville62-65scan0001_003Small.jpg.html)
Photo by Burly Burlile
Burly
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Shade was always a little spare in the early days but we learned how to build tent cities over the decades. Jack Stewart and the Wheeler crew swap motors alongside the dike.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bonneville%20Old/StewartSeabridgepit62Small.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/36hplandspeedracer/media/Bonneville%20Old/StewartSeabridgepit62Small.jpg.html)
Photo by Burly Burlile
Burly
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Love the 1 1/2 Galvanized pipe "A" frame.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Buickguy, you did not mention that "sway" in the center pipe!
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great pics Burly, keep posting more of our history :cheers: :cheers:
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Actually Stainless, I was just hoping to "jumpstart" this thread again by posting last night. It appears to have had very few new photo inputs since a couple of years ago. I will continue to add a few more from my albums but it sure would be nice to have others start downloading some new "old" pics. I think it is one of the best threads on-line as evidenced by the hundred plus pages. Come on lurkers, jump in with you old Bonneville and El Mirage or Lake Gairdner photos and let's get this thing going once more!
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bonneville%20Old/Slidescan0003_001Medium.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/36hplandspeedracer/media/Bonneville%20Old/Slidescan0003_001Medium.jpg.html)
Athol Grahams streamliner by Burly Burlile 62 or 63?
Burly
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That picture of Athol might be from a lot earlier as he died in 1960.
Bill
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Let's see if I can size these right . . .
Not Bonneville, but El Mirage in perhaps 1950 or so. Scotty in Scotty's Muffler 29 Roadster. Show-quality car as always, a little dirty here. Notice the filled rear wheelwells.
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That picture of Athol might be from a lot earlier as he died in 1960.
Bill
Bill, after Athols death in 1960, Athols car was rebuilt by his wife and crew and raced again by one or two different drivers. It was then pulled apart and stored until it's restoration by his son Butch over the past few years. I first went to Bonneville in 1962 and I took this photo in 62 or maybe 63, not sure?
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Now some egocentric shots.
My first trip to Bonneville in 1972 with Phil Stevenson's 55 Chevy wagon. He drove it there. He'd replaced the tired 6-cyl. with a 390 Cadillac (he was a big Caddy fan) complete with the high performance(?) Jet-Away HydraMatic.
He'd bought a 6-carb manifold at San Bernardino's Orange Show swap meet for $15 after he'd convinced the seller that it was not for a Chrysler and he'd be the only buyer in California that would want it. I threw in a wastebasket-full of 97 carbs that I had (at least 6 from our drag roadster and 6 more from my street roadster replaced by the Enderles). He made four good ones out of the lot and put them on the Cad.
The first night we slept on the picnic table at the Paraganaught(sp?) Lakes rest stop. Got to Bonneville, put on a pair of 18" Halibrands. One had an Indy tire, one had a Bonneville tire. One was about 3/4-in taller than the other. Both had threads showing thru and passed inspection and were stamped "Good for 175 MPH).
His goal was to go 150, and he made several runs at 148 to 149. He won an award that year for the fastest car driven there. At least that's how I choose to remember it.
Here's the Chevy before being "race prepared". . .
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I ended up with the 18s on my sedan and have driven it to Bonneville several times.
This was from one of the first trips . . .
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And here's a shot of the present-day San Berdoo Roadsters' first Bonneville meet in 1954 with Chevy 6 power. It was the Leithold and Son entry as I remember.
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Now some egocentric shots.
My first trip to Bonneville in 1972 with Phil Stevenson's 55 Chevy wagon. He drove it there. He'd replaced the tired 6-cyl. with a 390 Cadillac (he was a big Caddy fan) complete with the high performance(?) Jet-Away HydraMatic.
He'd bought a 6-carb manifold at San Bernardino's Orange Show swap meet for $15 after he'd convinced the seller that it was not for a Chrysler and he'd be the only buyer in California that would want it. I threw in a wastebasket-full of 97 carbs that I had (at least 6 from our drag roadster and 6 more from my street roadster replaced by the Enderles). He made four good ones out of the lot and put them on the Cad.
The first night we slept on the picnic table at the Paraganaught(sp?) Lakes rest stop. Got to Bonneville, put on a pair of 18" Halibrands. One had an Indy tire, one had a Bonneville tire. One was about 3/4-in taller than the other. Both had threads showing thru and passed inspection and were stamped "Good for 175 MPH).
His goal was to go 150, and he made several runs at 148 to 149. He won an award that year for the fastest car driven there. At least that's how I choose to remember it.
Here's the Chevy before being "race prepared". . .
Always loved that A Model Stan. Big & littles and skinny & talls, and a fantastic color for a great combination. Thanx for sharing your tale on your first visit. Addictive isn't it? Street rods on the salt are a beautiful sight to see. Below are a couple more rod visitors I photoed out at roads end back when we were putting on the Bonneville Cruise In in the eighties.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Hot%20Rods/Slide0102%20-%20Copy_zpswdh88nkf.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/36hplandspeedracer/media/Hot%20Rods/Slide0102%20-%20Copy_zpswdh88nkf.jpg.html)
Photo by Burly Burlile
BUrly
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Here's the Dincau brothers and Logan entry of 1962. Drove it to Wendover and home, went 152.
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1963 - driver was Harry Muhlbach - the picture shows the car with the "view ball" in front - he couldn't handle the car right, end up at last on his roof after a double roll
Actually Stainless, I was just hoping to "jumpstart" this thread again by posting last night. It appears to have had very few new photo inputs since a couple of years ago. I will continue to add a few more from my albums but it sure would be nice to have others start downloading some new "old" pics. I think it is one of the best threads on-line as evidenced by the hundred plus pages. Come on lurkers, jump in with you old Bonneville and El Mirage or Lake Gairdner photos and let's get this thing going once more!
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bonneville%20Old/Slidescan0003_001Medium.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/36hplandspeedracer/media/Bonneville%20Old/Slidescan0003_001Medium.jpg.html)
Athol Grahams streamliner by Burly Burlile 62 or 63?
Burly
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Jim --
Always thought that year (61, 62?) Dodge was certainly "unique" looking. Didn't realize 'til today that it somewhat resembled a big Lancer. Pretty darn fast! What size was B then?
Stan
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Jim --
Always thought that year (61, 62?) Dodge was certainly "unique" looking. Didn't realize 'til today that it somewhat resembled a big Lancer. Pretty darn fast! What size was B then?
Stan
Stan,
Unique is being kind, it was butt ugly. It was a 62, 413 cu in with the Ramcharger option package. Bone stock except for tires and rear end gear. We actually exceeded the old record but Norm Thatcher bumped it up to 164.
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Here's the Dincau brothers and Logan entry of 1962. Drove it to Wendover and home, went 152.
Thats the way to race Bonneville, drive to and back at least once. We made sure to do "the drive" on our first race trip out with our VW for the July USFRA event's 130 MPH Club. We did not go near as fast as you, just a 105, but the journey was every thing we had dreamed!
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/130%20Bugs/410130Club1_0112.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/36hplandspeedracer/media/130%20Bugs/410130Club1_0112.jpg.html)
Photo by Burly Burlile
A month later at Speedweek with "the big motor" and in full competition trim we managed to reach 131 mph. Did not drive it on that trip.
Burly
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I don't know if you noticed, but that parachute might have slowed down that first attempt.
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keep the pictures coming.
they are great.
Thanx
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I don't know if you noticed, but that parachute might have slowed down that first attempt.
So that's what caused my VW to go so slow! Thanx for the heads up Stan Back..........................................Burly
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Stan is just soooo sharp nothing gets by him! :-D
Sid.
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I do remember more than one run by a competitor whose chute was out and he didn't know it. Kinda fun to watch - and even more fun to talk to the driver afterwards, as he's getting out of the car and wondering WTF - why couldn't I pull the engine up any faster? Was the rear end just way too long a gear? :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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We made it to the 1 once with the interior injector cover on. Wouldn't pull well in 3rd gear.
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The first serious Go Kart 'liner?
I remember this one.
FREUD
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The first serious Go Kart 'liner?
I remember this one.
FREUD
Dick Beith bought the little 'liner around 1964 and raced it for a few years. Today it is in Dennis Varni's collection. Below is a magazine pic of Dick with the 64/65 version. Funny, but just last week he received a request for an autographed photo of the two together.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/36hplandspeedracer/Bonneville%20Old/196490H1_zps8c7e8669.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/36hplandspeedracer/media/Bonneville%20Old/196490H1_zps8c7e8669.jpg.html)
Photo by Mike Lamm
Today Dick races in the VW Challenge at World of Speed.
Burly
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I ran across this album today with images from '54/'55 Bonneville. I have no idea whose it is but good on you for sharing whoever you are.
http://tinyurl.com/kkk2zmg
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Rob, missed you last night on the chat. How is the driver doing that crashed in the liner. Any other up dates on the meet.The chat gang says hello. :cheers:
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That '29 Mercury tudor (Post 2095) would make a great hooch hauler.
It would be unlikely that the Law could identify the tires tread patterns.
That driveway that he washed it on is H U G E !!
He missed some area on the radiator.
FREUD
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The salt was packed into the radiator -- I couldn't figure out why it was the first time it ever almost overheated.
Sit there and have another pink one and let it cool off.
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Great pictures. :-D :-D :-D
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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One Run -- where've you been?
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Some great shots by Rod Hynes on his FaceBook account:
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More from Rod Hynes:
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/10922448_10206063903901887_5428558280361465524_n_zpsashs58ep.jpg)
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Still more from Rod Hynes:
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There are well over 100 more of the same quality, all from 1960's/early 1970's SpeedWeeks. Absolutely amazing photos!!!
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/1524784_10206063885861436_405379391122768380_n_zpsnckdrglu.jpg)
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/1924403_10206063893101617_7850489183000110732_n_zpswgkpzrjd.jpg)
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Wow, makes me want to join Facebook! Almost.
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Yes, WOW, great pictures...
I already have too many computer activities to Join FB, but keep posting, and thanks for finding those.
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Great pictures!
What's the engine in the red belly tank?
Mike
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Mike, the red lakester has an "Offy" with a roots blower mounted on the side. They did a few like that even at Indy before the turbos became the norm.
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Thanks, Mike! :cheers:
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Is that right? I thought it was that pontiac tempst with the twin cam head that ran for some time.
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Great pictures!
What's the engine in the red belly tank?
Mike
According to Rod Hynes Facebook page
"Twin-cam Pontiac 4-cylinder engine in the Baldwin & Sommerfeld Lakester. The DOHC head was designed by the talented machinist and pattern maker, Arnold J. Birner."
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Sidewinder members all. This is one of the teams that Julian Doty, an icon, ran with for years.
DW
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Thanks to all!
Mike
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Sorry, I stand corrected...... never stepped in it like that before........ :-o
Here is a Offy with a blower from 1965 or so. I think Dick Jones & Stu Hilborn built the setup.
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They do have some similarities and you could have fooled me.
This has got to be my favorite thread. :cheers:
Thanks for posting, Don
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You don't need to join Faceboob to look at anyoue postings...just go to Faceboob and write in Rods name.....
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A few more for non-FBers. Great stuff!
(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu248/gyronaut/1526751_10205903461050916_1671530038554431197_n_zpsusegspqj.jpg)
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That looks like a nice build. Is it two cylinders from a V-8?
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I believe that's a 4 cylinder IHC engine. They were basically 1/2 of a 392.
Sid.
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One of my all time favorite photos and best friend, Al Teague.
(http://)
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I believe that's a 4 cylinder IHC engine. They were basically 1/2 of a 392.
Sid.
I was guessing Tempest. Half a 389.
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I was thinking the Pontiac didn't have the curved valley rail section but you are right Rich, it is a Tempest.
Sid.
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Bought one new in '63 when I got out of the Army
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my first ride was a 63 Tempest ,( or was it a 62 ? ),:~ :~ it was a four cylinder, 4 on the floor with a rope shaft to a transaxle.
it needed an alternator and had electrical gremlins.
it was given to me. I didn't put many miles on it. Don't even remember if it was a 2 door or 4 door. thinking 2 door - and it was a sedan.
Franey
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It's a 195 for sure!
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,,, It's a 195 for sure!...
Not anymore, it isn't. :-)
I'm guessing this example followed some time after Mickey's half-a-Tempest ('62 or '63?). With a 2-71 blower, it made 257 HP on 25% nitro @ 5,000 RPM- which is where the dyno run ended, due to excess vibration. :| As a blown-H engine it got him a record, but I don't remember what vehicle type.
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Old magazine.
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Matt Guzetta...it is with regret, I inform you that Bill Wirges has passed away at the age of 84 in his home town of Princeton, Il.
He was a hometown hero, and legend to many, as the Wirges name is very well know in racing circles.
He is my Uncle and if I was savvy on technology I would post pics of him and his streamliner. He is a member of the 200 mph club. He was very proud of that..
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Two pictures I found of Bill Wirges (RIP) streamliner...
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http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2022/01/johnson-pegasus-set-land-speed-record.html
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Danny "On the Gas" Ongais - 1942~2022 - R.I.P.
https://www.mustangspecs.com/photos-from-history-mickey-thompson-and-danny-ongais-at-bonneville-salt-flats-in-1968/
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I was there in 1968, watching Mickey and Danny racing on the international course and the 10-mile circle course while setting numerous records in several different Mustang racers. Also, in attendance was Burt Munro spectating. Joe Petrali invited me to watch and learn about racing at Bonneville, since we were planning to run The Blue Flame in 1969. When Mickey learned I had never been there he had me hop into the Mustang Mach II for an education on the international course. We just cruised along at 150 to 160 mph as he lectured. Joe told Mickey we were going to try for the absolute world land speed record. Mickey responded, "You had better have a ton of money!" I told him we did. He was very generous with his time and I got some cool movie film of the yellow Mustang running through the lights.
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Thank you for your memories.
I saw Danny Ongais in Le Mans '80 and '82. Always very fast with the turbocharged Porsche 935.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/mickey-thompsons-bonneville-mustangs-295-records
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I worked for D.O. for a couple of years at Interscope Racing back in 82-83, good guy to work for really treated me well. One thing about Danny is that he really knew what the right side pedal was for!!!
Rex