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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: John Noonan on December 18, 2008, 12:32:51 AM
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Racers besides garage build ups?
Any new vehicles, racers profiles,
Personal 09 top speed or record goals?
Sponsors?
New builds?
Dyno testing since the last meet?
My 09 goals are to stop taking street bikes and adding turbo systems to build an actual real aftermarket chassis and build a real dedicated land speed racer (I think this every year :wink:) This bike would have a boost controller, and data logging for a change rather than just dial in 500+ hp and see what happens.
Lots of great racers this year with Jason, Bill, Wayne, Tom, Ben, Leslie, Trillium, Richard Assen etc.. :cheers:
I want to go faster than 265mph on a bike and faster than 300 in a vehicle..(2 or 4 wheels..) :-D and perhaps win another SCTA points championship with the car and a bike.
What are your 09 dreams and goals..they can be the same..
Thanks to Jon and Nancy for taking over the site that Little "A" busted his ass on as well.. :cheers:
John
PS. good luck to all and thanks to all of the volunteers!
J
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I am drawing up an icewater reservoir for the ZX10. I want to go 220 this year without a fairing, and maybe shoot for the fastest standing-mile 1000. -Dean
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Dean,
Sounds like a great plan...whats the fastest standing 1K record..230 at Texas?
Where are you going to install the tank? lengthen the bike and put in in front of the rear wheel?
J
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I want to be added to the JN list of great racers. :roll:
Can you only be a great racer if you pass a certain speed?
I thought great racers came in all CC sizes and speeds. :-D
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#53
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I want to be added to the JN list of great racers. :roll:
Can you only be a great racer if you pass a certain speed?
I thought great racers came in all CC sizes and speeds. :-D
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Deb,
Great racers do come in all sizes, and speeds......and to answer your question I did understand one of my favorite LSR racers has never competed at a speed greater than about 135mph or so and has set numerous records while racing.
You are funny however..#53 (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/batting_eyelashes.gif)
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Dean,
Sounds like a great plan...whats the fastest standing 1K record..230 at Texas?
Where are you going to install the tank? lengthen the bike and put in in front of the rear wheel?
J
You're both on my list of top riders :)
John I hope to put a square tank in front of the steering head, and route lines though the ram air ducts in the frame. Should be clean, and it will place the tank higher than the core in the plenum.
And yup, Carl Francis has the fastest 1 mile 1000; 230 at Texas, Bob Shammas has been 221 at Maxton on a 998cc ZX11. Both of those bikes had fairings of course.
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Dean,
Thanks for the compliment.. :wink: and what you are doing with your bike is as note worthy as any of my accomplishments as well.
Make sure if you plan on running any SCTA events and run the water tank on your bike up front in a naked/unfaired class that the bike will fit the rules as I was told at the last SCTA event that their may be some changes..maybe Kent, Van, Scott can assist us with what's legal this coming season...
John
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Thanks John. You're full of it, but thanks :) I'm judging that a rectangular tank (vertical leading plane) would not be considered streamlining, sort of like Bill's battery box. I considered putting the tank ahead of the rear tire, but there is very little room around the tbodies for lines to and from the plenum, and the lower relative height would make it a PITA to fill and refill at the track.
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Dean,
Absolutely pay attention to the SCTA rule changes in regards to unfaired and placing the tank up front. I haven't heard yet if the ECTA is adopting the changes in full but that is now our new direction with the rules realignment of last year. They've been discussing it so we should know soon enough.
Once that decision is made we also (as techs) will need to understand the intentions of some of the verbage. I know there's a few questions in my mind and I'm not sure how far they intend to take the letter of the rule especially on the altered unfaired class.
Debbie
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JN, When I read the rule changes I got the impression that Bill's battery up front wouldn't be legal in the altered/special construction unfaired class. (You run modified tho don't you Dean?) What's your impression? I have to go back & reread to see if I'm remembering correctly.
Debbie
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I just sold my BMW racer to a musem in Maryland. I'm building a new one for the same class: 750cc pushrod with a ground up built altered frame and Charlie Toy fairings. This bike will be much more streamlined than the BMW with the Jugs sticking out the sides. The new engine is based on a Buell XB9 with a 3.125 stroke and a 3.050 bore (748cc) with fuel injection and eventually a turbo. I hope to be in Maxton in April.
Goals...faster than the last one :-D
(http://www.frsengineering.com/pp28.jpg)
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in my opinion why would you mount a battery, intercooler, or a flat plate up high in front of the rider.?....obviously to great a bluft shape as to simulate a fairing.... if it has webbed feet, quacks, and poops through feathers.... it is a aero devise... sorry try again.!...
Kent
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Kent the simple answer is that there is unused area for mounting up front however I agree that it is a method of streamlining and should not be allowed, however if a racer was to lengthen his or her bike and build the plenum so that the water lines could come in from the bottom or sides then they could add weight to the back of the bike to assist in gaining the same weight bias as they had prior.
J
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I really didn't intend for the tank to be a 'covert' aero device - I just need a good place to put it.
I'm an aero idiot - I thought it would actually be worse to put a vertical flat box in front of the steering head, than the canted fork tubes???
(http://plaza.ufl.edu/sabat/Maxton08_right.jpg)
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Dean,
Covert or not anything up front that does not need to be in place or that could buffet air/wind away from the riders face or body can be construed as an aerodynamic advantage, your bike in the picture above is what a naked bike "should" look like with regards to no frontal streamlining.
Btw, bring that bike to El Mirage with bodywork after all if Jim Higgins can run 206+ in the dirt with a 750 you should be able to go faster and get another one of those fancy head cover things to add to your growing collection.. :-D
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Good point Dean. You should change to square fork tubes. :evil:
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Debbie :-D
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OK, I see your point John (and Kent) and will look again at the swingarm tank location. The ballast side effect would be good I guess, but the refilling will require a new filler cap location. Wish I could weld.
La la la I don't hear you Deb :)
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Rchop congrats on selling your bike to a museum, that is too cool.
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Btw, bring that bike to El Mirage with bodywork after all if Jim Higgins can run 206+ in the dirt with a 750 you should be able to go faster and get another one of those fancy head cover things to add to your growing collection.. :-D
Bodywork my eye, I'd come after your records, pal!!! :cheers:
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Sorry to see the Beemer go, I still have a soft spot for them. Made my first pass on the salt on one 30yrs ago on one, didnt go very fast but got hooked. This year was my first time to compete since 1978. I was the guy on the Hayabusa in white BMW leathers, yup same ones. :-D
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Btw, bring that bike to El Mirage with bodywork after all if Jim Higgins can run 206+ in the dirt with a 750 you should be able to go faster and get another one of those fancy head cover things to add to your growing collection.. :-D
Bodywork my eye, I'd come after your records, pal!!! :cheers:
Dean,
I was only comparing a turbo 750 with bodywork to a 1000 turbo with bodywork..I know you could get those records from me, after all I am only borrowing them for a spell.
This year I will ride the 1K bike of mine unfaired or faired and see what it can do..going after another SCTA points championship so I need to record at all of the meets or put down big points at the ones I do record at.
See you here... :cheers:
J
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I'm just bustin' your balls a little, champ :evil: I'm sure you will go very very fast with your Busa 1K, good luck with the threepeat.
What else is happening with the ECTA this winter? What's Charlie got planned I wonder?
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Rchop congrats on selling your bike to a museum, that is too cool.
Thanks Sabat, I sold it to Bob Henig, the owner of Bob's BMW in Maryland. He bought it for his BMW vintage, classic and racing museum.
Sorry to see the Beemer go, I still have a soft spot for them. Made my first pass on the salt on one 30yrs ago on one, didnt go very fast but got hooked. This year was my first time to compete since 1978. I was the guy on the Hayabusa in white BMW leathers, yup same ones. :-D
It maybe still had 140mph in it, but I was itchin' to start another build and I got more for it than I thought I would! I wish I could still fit in stuff that I wore in 1978 :mrgreen:
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It cost a lot to get me in my '78 leathers.lol :-D
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I'm just bustin' your balls a little, champ :evil: I'm sure you will go very very fast with your Busa 1K, good luck with the threepeat.
What else is happening with the ECTA this winter? What's Charlie got planned I wonder?
Dean,
Charlie sold his bike to Scott G and Wayne Pollack will do his best to get the Maxton track record with it, Wayne is capable and the bike is we know that...just wish Dave was there to tune it and look after it like he did for Charlie.
I believe from speaking with Charlie he may be retired from LSR...hopefully not for too long :-D
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I'm sorry to hear that, hope he still comes out to the track. Good luck to Wayne Pollack and Scott Guthrie, that's an amazing bike that DaveO built.
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2009 = 235+mph on N2O
Tiger Racing is changing Nitrous Sponsors for 2009. Tiger Racing, known for having the "Worlds Fastest Nitrous Motorcycle" on the planet is continually striving to break new ground and better it's own records, that's why MPS Racing was chosen to be the "Nitrous System" supplier for 2009. "We have investigated dozens of systems and found the MPS 'Spyder Dry Nitrous' system to have what we feel will be the epitomy of nitrous systems for motorcycles" says Guy Caputo owner/rider for Tiger Racing. Mike Caputo of Maximum Performance Cycles in Toledo, OHIO (former AMA Pro-Modified racer) knows his nitrous tune ups which gives Guy the upper hand when competing on the track. Guy races the "Tiger" under some of the most grueling of conditions for a Nitrous motorcycle by racing the Maxton Monster Mile at Maxton, NC. "It's a 1 mile drag race without the 60ft times actually. You are measured for MPH only at the last 132 feet of the 1 mile. A sort of 'how fast can you go' sort of thing" states Guy. Guy also said that "Theres nothing like racing the 1/4 mile drag at an AMA event, but being on the nitrous for 6-8 seconds, while very exciting is nothing compared to being on the juice for 18 seconds or more at the 1 mile, that's where the real test of a motor and tuneup is decided" Guy admits that a 1/4 mile tuneup can be just as difficult to cope with as the 1 mile tuneup, just ask Rob Bush that if you think that's a bunch of hooey. Racing Nitrous at Bonneville also has it's own issues that is all together different than Maxton and can't be compared.
"The new MPS Spyder system and high pressure fuel pump and regulator, along with the MPS 62# injectors are going to be the ticket for a 230+mph blast this year" Guy exclaimed "we could even see a 240mph run if the racing gods are with us."
Thats 2009 for me.
Merry Happy Hanna Kwansa to all,
Guy
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Guy,
Thanks for the ad...Dan would be proud... :-D
Good luck with the 230 mph+ attempts in 2009!
J
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John, I won't talk about the shop build since it bored you (8190 views did garner some interest,, lol) and it was a 2008 project.
I am starting on the 1953 Stude build... Hope to Run E/CGALT and break my own records with it at Maxton.
Plan is to bump my current records by at least 20mph by end of 2009 at Maxton.
Next goal if funds available,,, head to Bonneville and break 200mph.. juts a dream, but don't count me out on that one,,,
Merry Christmas to All...
Charles
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(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/TurboNinjaleftside.jpg)
That's Nancy's Ninja 250, fresh after a hose-down. If you look right in the upper center of the photo you can see the icewater - to - air intercooler, between the air stacks and the fuel injection, directly behind the L S R oval sticker. The fuel tank filler is visible in the upper right corner -- with a blue hose on the upside-down valve. The fuel tank itself is a tiny (about 3 quart) tank that Mike fabbed up to hold enough fuel for a complete run. The ex-fuel tank connects from the bottom of itself to the big braided hose that's here unconnected on the bottom and to the input of the water pump on the top (hard to see here).
I've only got one photo of Mike icing the tank before a run -- and it's a .tif file and Photobucket won't accept it. Anyway -- he converted the stock fuel tank to become the icewater reservoir for the intercooler - and built the new fuel tank to hold the gas. (It was fun to be caught by a spectator as we poured water and ice into the gas tank. We'd tell them it was a new "hybrid" engine...)
So there's an idea for you, Dean -- that doesn't take up much real estate and won't affect your aero in any way.
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Very clever Jon, I'll add that to the list of possibilities.
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Building a 1350 pushrod engine altered construction frame bike.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd166/55chevr/PB060007.jpg)
I plan on having it ready for April ... Joe
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O Slim
Tell me you will bring that bike to Maxton . I always look forward to seeing you and Nancy . But I would just love to see that bike in person.
For myself. I am planing to get into the 100 mph club some how. :cheers:
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John,
2009 goals are to rebuild the Triumph 600 with low compression pistons, add ice water intercooler, increase boost, improve aero, etc. I was considering dividing the tank for fuel and ice but may look into Slims option of moving the fuel tank to under the seat and using the original tank for just ice so that I can lower the profile.
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If it all comes together in time I would like to go for 200+ at BUB.
Tod
PS: Not to ruin your image John but your encouragement at BUB this year was much appriciated. :cheers:
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John,
2009 goals are to rebuild the Triumph 600 with low compression pistons, add ice water intercooler, increase boost, improve aero, etc. I was considering dividing the tank for fuel and ice but may look into Slims option of moving the fuel tank to under the seat and using the original tank for just ice so that I can lower the profile.
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq78/todlcole/GotSaltSmall.jpg)
If it all comes together in time I would like to go for 200+ at BUB.
Tod
PS: Not to ruin your image John but your encouragement at BUB this year was much appreciated. :cheers:
Tod,
I like the Triumph and being that you are running in a smaller engine class you have a great wall of salt to climb, 200 is a worthy goal and only one 600 open bike has ever been timed at a speed greater than 200mph. A few others are making the trek however it is a hard journey, if you need pistons or rods let me know as I offer a racer discount (must run a Wossner piston decal) to all LSR racers from 50CC to AA configurations.
Your Triumph has an actual compression ratio of about 12.4:1 and could make in excess of 200 rear wheel HP with the right combination..a certain 500cc bike made 200 + so these are realistic numbers to shoot for In a turbo configuration. :cheers:Thanks for the kind words however please remember I have a rep to keep so lay it thin on compliments or send them to me in a PM :-D.
Good luck and if you need anything my business line is always on..714-369-8879
JohnBadRepNoonan
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Got the truck up for sale.
Got build a shop.
Got a 82 trans am to build.
Just hope to make it to 6 races 5@ maxton and 1 on the salt or Maine.
terry( Iam going to have a good time)
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Terry,
What class with the bird...?
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Goals: Make it to a few LSR events and hang out with some classy people. :cheers:
215mph at Maxton on the old 12 would be nice as well. :-D
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What is your fastest so far..? and what mods..?
J
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Terry,
What class with the bird...?
Most likely production/altered.Will build a c motor,but I also have a 402.
Got to get shop space before I do any thing.
terry
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Scott,
If I can even do one of my 09 goals I will be happy, I say every year the same thing about the "new dedicated bike" however as time runs out I stick with the same old stuff..I have a few ideas that I have not seen anyone use and I look forward to trying them and if we have good salt and "if" I have this new magic motorcycle then I would hope for greater speeds than "we" are seeing now..
J
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The old 2000 ZX12 has been 210.xxx mph at Maxton. A little JohnnyCheese built stroker with about 68HP of N2O. I am around 255lbs of natural ballast material though.
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Terry,
What class with the bird...?
Most likely production/altered.Will build a c motor,but I also have a 402.
Got to get shop space before I do any thing.
terry
unblown bville record for C in Pro and altered are in the 230's, Pro supercharged for C is 232, Blown gas altered is 300. Blown fuel altered in C is 254 and unblown fuel is 240. Good luck with the build and post pictures. :-D
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Maxton goals, hey? A handful of 'em...
First of all -- we hope to attend at least four of the five events. It's difficult to get back from World of Speed in time for the September racing, so we might miss that.
Second: We're hoping to have three bikes (that's right THREE!) to race this year. You'll get to see the little 250 turbo - the Flamingo bike - for the first time in a couple of years. The nitrous ZX12R should be back in action (the last time it ran was Maxton October '06 -- when I windowed the case. Then a quick 17 month delay for the new crankshaft that "will take about 8 - 10 weeks after receipt of deposit", said Farndon Engineering. Anyway, the 12R should be there. And the new ZX15R - the one that Nancy and I each made a run on in October '08 at Maxton -- that bike will be there and tuned up, going for the honest P/P 1650 record. I've had to back-burner the turbo 14R, darn it -- money's got to stay close to home in case we get to getting the new (motel) business started.
Third - - we hope to see all of our friends and co-racers a bunch more times. That's the icing on the cake for us. We've been enjoying getting greeting cards from some of the best and fastest folks in the world. Who would have thunk, back in the pre-racing days -- that we'd be exchanging cards and thoughts with all these folks that hold records of speed? It's wonderful - and we hope each of you have a super-duper holiday season - and will be with us this coming year as we try to Be safe, have fun, and GO FAST!
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I hope to run both.The cost to build is the same.
terry
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We are still working on our rear engined lakester(6+years) . Motor will will be a stone stock turbo 2.3 Merkur
with C-4 transmission. Just finished fitting roll cage awaiting our TIG welder to return fo N.Carolina. Holidays along with weather problems have kept work down for the past couple of weeks. Hope to run ine October.
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1st off, happy holidays to everyone.
About my goals for Maxton this year: I hope to attend 2-3 times. Most likely April and sept. hopefully a mid summer race as well.
I am also going to have the car in (hopefully)a more race ready state when I arrive. So that I can actually wander around and talk to all you good people. It really sucks just barely getting the car finished enough to get to the race, and to constantly work on it at the track because you don't get things finished on time at home.
As far as performance- I am going to try and step it up quite a bit. I am looking for 10-15 mph more.
P.S.-I am also trying to make A car ready for Bonneville.
Mike Reichen
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Mike thats cool
terry
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Mike at those speeds you will again be in the hunt for top time at the Hot Rod Meet.
As far as our efforts this coming year - the hand formed titanium body is nearly complete on the AA/FS streamliner and we are working on the couplers to mate the four Hemi engines. To save time and money we will be running unblown with nitrous. . . . . OK . . . just kidding. :evil:
The real plan is to run the Suzuki Swift GT (with turbo) again this year. I am working on a belly pan to make the car legal for H/BFCC and H/BGCC - both records are soft. I am also going to have the car dyno'd and bump the turbo boost up to 20PSI.
Personal goals are to set records in every H/BG and H/BF class in SS, GC, ALT and CC at speeds approaching 135.
Also toying with the idea of going to USFRA's World of Speed and taking a shot at the 130mph club. Not likely to achieve it but worth a try.
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Took the "E" motor out of the Vicky so we can prep it and switch over to a 4 speed Tex Super T 10 for the Studebaker build. Once Joe T from DCW get the chassis design and quote to me we will try to move quickly so to make Maxton in April or May with the new car.
If not ready by then, we dyno'd the new "C" motor for the Vicky on Monday and got it the car today. Hope to fire it up in the car by noon tomorrow. If the Stude is not ready, I can run the Vicky with the Pump Gas "C" motor in several classes.
Charles
I will post a few pics here and update my photobucket later tomorrow if all goes well.
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Got the new motor fired up and test drove the car for about 30 minutes.. Just got finished with the once over inspection and changing the oil. WOW this motor is WICKED in this light little car..!!!! ( I had no idea how much more power an extra 117 cubic inches can deliver (well the torque is what is really noticable).
Charles
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Cool I havent got to any thing yet
terry
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Terry,
You better get busy..April will be here before you know it... I hope to have the new car done, but at best a 50/50 shot,,, so the Vicky is the back up race car till the Stude gets done,,,,
I need sponsoship $$$$$ (don't we all ????)
Are you coming to the Race car show in Greensboro the last Friday and Saturday of January ??
Charles
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I suppose the simple answer to "What's up for 2009?" is that my little team had to change it's name from "Project 750 Assault." NO, we're not hiding from anyone (the IRS? DEA?) and we're not going into the witness protection program. Under our new moniker "PerformanceWerx" we're gonna actually run something other that our GSXR 750 from '08. There is a normally aspirated GSXR 1000 sitting here in my shop, an entire area of the shop is dedicated to a number of electronics upgrades and features, and a full bodywork kit is on order from AirTech and Kent. 2009 won't see us jumping around to a whole bunch of classes at Maxton either. As a first year team that was a great way to get lots of Maxton experience, and we accomplished everything we might have hoped for in 2008, but we will be more focused in 2009. The focus will be to simply get a lot more experience at higher speeds and (as my head doesn't have much hair to keep me warm) maybe the goal will simply be to get some sort of new hat to wear. Time will tell. Program is to run 4 Maxton events (April, May, Sept, & Oct) and to go back to Bonneville (most likely Speed Week) to learn more! Oh yeah, I still have the 750 and will probably drag it out later in the season to follow up on some unfinished business at Maxton! Happy , safe, and prosperous New Year to all!
Jack Broomall
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Terry,
You better get busy..April will be here before you know it... I hope to have the new car done, but at best a 50/50 shot,,, so the Vicky is the back up race car till the Stude gets done,,,,
I need sponsoship $$$$$ (don't we all ????)
Are you coming to the Race car show in Greensboro the last Friday and Saturday of January ??
Charles
Yes time is flying by.
As for sponsership I saw the decal on your car(you can't out run money.) :lol:
If the show was on sunday I know I wwould be there,as of now it is up in the air.
Hope you have a good new year.
terry
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Terry, yep my Crew Chief (Joe) was joking around and made the sticker...
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Ours (Bob Blakely and I) is to get the new D/GRMR built, teched, and raced at the June Maxton event in preparation for Speedweek. So far, I have the following: '27 roadster 'glass body, nose piece from the mold that produced the nose on the #906 we ran this year, a Jerico 4 speed with no tailshaft and couplers from Mark Williams, a pair of '40 Ford spindles, a 2007 Hendrick SB2 engine, a 2.8" stroke crank (thanks, Keith), lots of ideas & designs, and about 6 months :-o. We're about 2 weeks away from chassis drawings in Solidworks and will start laying pipe then. Division of labor: Bob: $ and driving Vic: builder/crew chief Keith Dorton: engine builder/tuner I'm thinkin' I'm gonna be busy... vic
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Vic,
Good luck on the build... I know it will be a first class ride.... Give me a call on the motor stuff...
Happy New Year to All.
Charles
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I am a completely rebuilding my 1650 pushrod engine after toasting an exhaust valve on nitrous in October. I tore it down to the crank pin, so everything will be fresh. I plan on running open at Maxton this year. Hope to go 180+ and make it to a couple of meets in '09.
I am also starting to build a 3000cc PG class Buell S2. 160 CID. I have the rolling chassis mocked up with a shell engine. I had hoped to have it ready for Maxton and Bonneville this year, but I don't think the cash flow situation is going to allow it. Maybe next year.
Jeff
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Jeff B .... Looking forward to seeing the big inch bike.
Joe
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Hi everyone And Happy new year.
I am getting ready for April so I have bin working on my tuck. I modified my foot pegs and clip on bars to get me folded up on the little bike . Naturally the mirrors and headlight wont be used for racing. I have a clean front fairing for that.But I am 6 ft tall on a 250cc bike. so I still need to do some work.
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Eric, thought you was going to run naked again in April ??
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Hello Charles good to hear from you.
I am still trying to get in the 100 mph club. So that will be my goal for 2009 .
I got a 97 mph record in October running naked.And Kieth says I can't round up. I think I need the aero advantage to get there. I have the engine running very well so weather permiting I will get to try again. :cheers:
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I sure seem to find alot of time lately for the new bike build. Turbo location and exhaust pipes are mocked up before the frame top tubes are welded. Tried a dry fit of the fairing before the frame is complete also. I can't wait for April to run this thing!!
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I cant wait to see and hear that myself. I dream of building somthing like that.
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I cant wait to see and hear that myself. I dream of building somthing like that.
No need to dream...just do it! You will find all the help you need here.
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(http://www.frsengineering.com/pp44.jpg)
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That sure is coming along!! :cheers:
Good for you.
J
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That sure is coming along!! :cheers:
Good for you.
J
Thanks John, I'm pretty stoked about it...first time I've built an entire frame. I'm jonesin' to hear that turbo spool up, although I'll be running without it until June.
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Reminder about the Toy front piece -- you can get a windscreen from Zero Gravity, but also consider Gustafsson Plastics (I think that's how Leif spells it) in St. Augustine, Florida. He'll make any shape you want - and has made more than one for the Toy. I, for instance, sat on the bike and had photos taken showing where my head and helmet were in relation to the bodywork -- sent the photos to him, and he built a 'screen that fits my particular height needs. Seeing that you haven't cut the windscreen hole yet you've got lots of room for variation there. And Leif will save the specs on what you buy so you can reorder easily and get the same custom 'screen without any delay.
The bike is looking nice. I'm anxious to hear it at Maxton in only a few months, with or without the hair dryer.
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That's a good tip Jon, I used him for the windscreen on my last "Ossa" fairing on the BMW, but I didn't know he would custom build one. I will be running naked with out the "hair dryer" in April while I get the chassis and fuel injection dialed in, so I have plenty of time to get the windscreen done.
Thanks
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...and the price isn't bad, either. I don't know what Leif charges now -- but last time I bought a few years ago, it was $100 -- which was a bit less than the regular vendors were charging for an off-the-shelf unit.
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Leif, just made us a custom screen for the sidecar at a great price $120.00....they do great work at a great price..............................................
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Randy, that is a pretty appealing bike you're building.
The bodywork has great lines. It looks good in the white gel-coat. If it's uniform enough that it doesn't need to be blocked out, will you leave it in that finish?
Today I added a link to your site here: http://www.roadsters.com/lsr/
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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Thanks Dave, I will spend some time browsing your site, it looks interesting.
The finish on the fairing is pretty good, it won't need much to smooth for final paint. Thanks to Kent's crew for that, they have a quality product.
I'm dedicating the bike to my grandfather's B-24 crew and plane that were lost in action in WW2, so it will be painted to match the plane with their nose art, tail insignia and names of the crew on it. My grandfather was stationed in Wendover when he met my grandmother, so bringing the bike back there will mean something special to me.
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Leif, just made us a custom screen for the sidecar at a great price $120.00....they do great work at a great price..............................................
He even carries a Lakester windscreen... Great guy to work with, can and will make you anything you want
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RChop, what is the name of the B-24, show us the nose art... out little car has our personalization of the Bockscar nose art, we love history
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It's on Randy's nice website along with a lot of other neat and interesting stuff.
Ed
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RChop, what is the name of the B-24, show us the nose art... out little car has our personalization of the Bockscar nose art, we love history
The name of the plane was "Marty the Rubblemaker". Plane number was 594. I tried to get 594 for this project, but it's taken. Went with 5941 instead. I haven't been able to find the nose art yet...still searching. I learned a lot about my grandfather while searching the internet for info about this project. I was able to show my mom pictures she had never seen and read the story of his training and trip with the squadron to Italy. Found a first person report of his plane going down and the Missing Aircrew Report of the incident. All, incredible stuff!!
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I cant wait to see and hear that myself. I dream of building something like that.
No need to dream...just do it! You will find all the help you need here.
Thanks to everyone here I am living a dream . Racing last year was a high point in my life. I am just getting started . And never want to wake up. :-D
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I have a new build for Maxton this year. I am in the middle of building a motorcycle powered streamliner to run in the I/GS class. The car is a complete roller at this point with only wiring and plumbing to complete the chassis. I have just started the body so I have a lot of work to get it ready for the first meet at Maxton. The body is going to be one piece fiberglass. Very small car, only 24 inches wide and 26 inches tall. The nose of the car starts at a point and goes to only 12 inches wide. I have built smaller fiberglass parts before but nothing that is 20 ft. long like the liner will be. I am using a 2006 ZX10 engine thats going to be pretty much stock to start with. I want to work out all the bug's in the chassis before i get into making real HP. I don't have a lot of motorcycle engine back ground so I hope I can get with some you Kawasaki guys and learn somethings about making power in these small engines. My future plans with the engine is to go with a tubo on fuel and make some big HP. If everything goes well, hope to see everyone at Maxton in April.
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Wow, Cant wait to see that one also. Do you have any photos?
If the body is not ready .Can you run the chassis without it? Just to shake out the suspention stuff?
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Racer X, I do have some photos of the build but have never posted any. Not sure I know how. I will have to check into that. Running the car down the track with out the body would be great just to check the handling, but I'm not sure they will allow that. I will have to talk to Joe or Keith about that. Hopefully I will get the body done ontime. If not I plan on bringing the car down in April just to have tech look it over. That way when I do bring the car for the next meet I will be ready to run with no surprises.
Jerry
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Definitely a good idea to have them look at it. Maybe send them some photos before April. How bazaar would a naked streamliner be? :-P
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Hey JerryO, good luck with the project, sounds cool. I run a 2006 ZX10 at Maxton, if I can help you let me know. -Dean
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Happy New Year everyone!
What a great group of people. I'm the guy with the little red with white stripes Honda roadracer with the 250 4stroke motocross engine jammed in. (http://)I had a great time last yr, bumping my APS-F 250-4 record a couple times. I am trying to fabricate a new seat-tail rear fairing to decrease the Cd and gain some speed. I am also maybe going to have a gauge for something as I hear some people do that ;-) Motocross engines don't have any. Too busy watching the other guys bounce off you. But with only a 250cc Eric (Racer X) and I have more time to contemplate stuff as we're ambling down the track compared to some of the rest of you.
In Rchop's pix of the Toy Fairing earlier in this thread it shows that the tail lower edge gets lower as it goes back behind the tire. I thought the ECTA rule says that it has to be no lower than the upper edge of the rim. Is that interpreted as the rim at that portion of the fairing rather than the uppermost point of the rim? I am making my mock up now so it would be nice to know the limits.
Jarl
Sharpsburg MD
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Hey Dean, I would love to get with you sometime and get info on the ZX10 engine. If you want you can contact me at joxford@charter.net. I am in the process of getting the wiring sorted out. I am trying to use the stock factory wiring harness and just remove or modify the wiring as need. I just Hope I don't let all the smoke out. Thanks... Jerry
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In Rchop's pix of the Toy Fairing earlier in this thread it shows that the tail lower edge gets lower as it goes back behind the tire. I thought the ECTA rule says that it has to be no lower than the upper edge of the rim. Is that interpreted as the rim at that portion of the fairing rather than the uppermost point of the rim? I am making my mock up now so it would be nice to know the limits.
Jarl
Sharpsburg MD
Here is the 2009 modification to the rule you are asking about:
5. Modify paragraph.
7.G.11 Partial Streamlining:
If a streamlined seat / tail section is used, it can not extend further to the rear than 10" beyond the rear edge of the
rear tire, or 1/3rd of the wheelbase and whichever is less. No part of the seat / tail section may be closer than 4" from
the ground, or over 40" from the ground with the rider seated.
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No mention is made about how much of the rear wheel should be seen. If I'm reading this right, the rear tire can now be covered down to 4" from the ground. Which would make something like this legal now...
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd166/55chevr/P9030046.jpg)
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Doesn't the tire have to be 180 degrees uncovered and from the picture it looks like it is.
Guy
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Doesn't the tire have to be 180 degrees uncovered and from the picture it looks like it is.
Guy
The previous rule was 180 on a verticle line for the rear. Replace the wording in the first paragraph of 7.G.11 with what is written in the new modification and the part about the verticle line and wheel coverage is left out. With the new rule, as I read it, the rear wheel can be covered down to 4" from the ground. Even more than what is in the picture above!
If the first part of that paragraph is left in before the start of the sentence "If a streamlined seat / tail section is used," then the 180 verticle rear wheel view is still required. If that's the case, why the 4" from the ground rule?
I guess we will see when the rule books come out.
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I know this isn't a rule question thread or in a rule question topic, but it is ECTA related so I thought i'd throw a thought in before it gets either out of hand or buried down deep, (not sure the latter would be so bad for now though).
Here is the 2009 modification to the rule you are asking about:
Randy, you are referencing a "modification to a rule", not a "replacement for an entire rule", and you are doing so with an SCTA reference in an ECTA zone.
5. Modify paragraph.
7.G.11 Partial Streamlining:
If a streamlined seat / tail section is used, it can not extend further to the rear than 10" beyond the rear edge of the
rear tire, or 1/3rd of the wheelbase and whichever is less. No part of the seat / tail section may be closer than 4" from
the ground, or over 40" from the ground with the rider seated.
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No mention is made about how much of the rear wheel should be seen. If I'm reading this right, the rear tire can now be covered down to 4" from the ground. Which would make something like this legal now...
Not included is the rule in it's entirety, and even the part discussed has no reference to the rear wheel... only to the fact that the tail section components cannot go that close to the ground. And again, let's not forget that (until stated differently), that this is an SCTA reference to a rule change to an SCTA rule.
Doesn't the tire have to be 180 degrees uncovered
Yes it does(currently so at both venues).
The previous rule was 180 on a verticle line for the rear. Replace the wording in the first paragraph of 7.G.11 with what is written in the new modification and the part about the verticle line and wheel coverage is left out. With the new rule, as I read it, the rear wheel can be covered down to 4" from the ground. Even more than what is in the picture above!
If the first part of that paragraph is left in before the start of the sentence "If a streamlined seat / tail section is used," then the 180 verticle rear wheel view is still required. If that's the case, why the 4" from the ground rule?
The latter portion of your interpretation will prove to be correct in my opinion. And although I'm not sure "why" the 4" rule has came to be, I am fairly confident that it will prove to make the owner's of large coverage one piece (read as: Charlie Toy style) bodies on bikes that are slammed to the ground... a little more then perturbed.
I guess we will see when the rule books come out.
That has proven to be the wisest of moves, that and sharing your written and vocal opinion to the powers that be through out the racing season of course.
Todd (that believes any rule changes not related to safety or simply clarifying existing rules, can do no more then give the next years entrants running in that class an unfair advantage or disadvantage).
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Todd,
Any idea when 2009 ECTA rule book will be available?
Joe
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Rumour has it they are going to print within the next few days so hopefully it won't be too long!
Debbie
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I know this isn't a rule question thread or in a rule question topic, but it is ECTA related so I thought i'd throw a thought in before it gets either out of hand or buried down deep, (not sure the latter would be so bad for now though).
Todd,
I have to disagree on your thought about the latter, now is the perfect time to bring this out while racers are planning and building for the upcoming season. The reason I brought this up further is because a racer stated he was in the planning stages of his fairing earlier in this thread.
Here is the 2009 modification to the rule you are asking about:
Randy, you are referencing a "modification to a rule", not a "replacement for an entire rule", and you are doing so with an SCTA reference in an ECTA zone.
Todd, this was brought up in this "ECTA" Zone because of a previous question I asked about this subject in the ECTA zone...
Will the SCTA rule changes for 2009 be incorporated in the 2009 ECTA rule changes? I will be preparing my new partial streamlining for Bonneville and would like to use it at Maxton also.
and your answer was...
Most likely anything that does not jeapordize current safety rules at the ECTA, disqualify current bikes running with ECTA (where possible), or give unfair advantages to new entries over the records they are running on (again, where possible).... then those rules will be adapted.
"In general" though as far as your vehicle running at Maxton, if you can run it at the SCTA and it does not conflict with ECTA safety standards then it will be able to run at the ECTA.
The idea is that the ECTA is there to allow SCTA entrants to do their tune up runs and also qualify for records if possible, while at the same time (when possible) keeping the integrity of the existing ECTA records and the rules that were followed to obtain them.
Todd
This thread is about what's going on in the ECTA. We will be racing before the first SCTA runs at El Mirage, so why don't you think it's appropriate to discuss this here and now?
My interpretation on the modification to the rule paragraph is presented as just that...my intepretation. I have stated clearly the the rule modification is not clear and can be misconstrued to read both ways since we don't have the full rule listed on the SCTA website.
I think it would be good to discuss this, but I don't think it will be completely resolved until we have an SCTA rulebook in hand. This discussion will alert racers that are still building or planning for the upcoming season there could be some change when the rule book is published.
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Randy, I only meant that a discussion concerning rules (that may or may not be relevant to our organization) might be better addressed in the rule section of this site. As you quoted me above... well the words are there to read.
Sorry if my words today were misunderstood or I put them in a manner other then a;
"we're on the edge of the books going to print, let's see what that print is and get some clear as mud definitions on those words".
I'm very aware of us leading the SCTA on the events as well as the rulebooks going to print, it's been that way for a decade or more now.
Guess I've had quite a few calls in the recent weeks (up to and including today), concerning changes (and misinterpretations of them), to rules that aren't even official for the ECTA as of yet (moreso just internet banner or rumor mill style).
I suppose I should of sat back and let the internet do it's thing... please carry on.
My apologies, seriously.
As always, if you have any specific questions I can help with or clarify feel free to call me, I seem to do much better on the phone apparently.
Look forward to seeing you soon,
Todd
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No problem Todd, I would just hate to see someone cut that rear wheel hole out of a nice new fairing if they don't have to...probably just wishful thinking on my part anyway :-D :-D
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Randy and Todd,
Thanks for the replies on the rear fairing question. I will just wait for the rulebook and then ask questions in the ECTA rule section if further clarification is needed since I only run at Maxton. And Todd I totally agree with your comment that "any rule changes not related to safety or simply clarifying existing rules, can do no more then give the next years entrants running in that class an unfair advantage or disadvantage."
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This is a great thread no matter what. LSR is fast becoming an everymans/womans sport. New venues are popping up all over the country and I'm still an old fat fart. Can wait for the snow to quit. 6 inches this morning already and still coming down.
Guy