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Misc Forums => NON LSR Posting => Topic started by: isiahstites on December 10, 2008, 01:05:41 AM
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:? :evil: :cheers:
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My vote is to ban him forever. :cheers:
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Ya remember the movie "Beetlejuice" :mrgreen:
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SLIM
do something
you do not have to be politicaly correct
This sort of thing does not add to your/our community
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Hey all... slow day at work so I'm crusing the internet on a DOD computer :-o Your tax dollars at work!
So how long can you be banned from a forum? I thought once was enough be booted for life.
Happy Hollidays from the Smitty Clan :cheers:.
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Our internet service at the house (satellite) has been crappy-slow for a couple of weeks -- so I haven't kept as close an eye as I'd like to on this Forum. What am I missing -- are you implying that FR is back? I had assigned a specified-time ban last time and might feel driven to give him the boot again. But -- I want to be as fair as I can be (even in his cfazse) so want to be sure he's the problem again, and that he hasn't changed his ways of pestering us.
I do know that my home email address is frequently getting stuff that he sends, and I do believe I've specifically asked him to not send to me. That alone would be causwe enough to ban him some places -- but I want the other members of the Forum to help me be sure I'm doing the correct thing before I boot him for another time.
So -- what topics is he (or whomever) in - so I can see for myself?
Thanks...
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SSS, I didn't call him. I don't even have his #. But it did liven up the board like I predicted. :|
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31 posts in the last 16 hours.
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2083;sa=showPosts (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2083;sa=showPosts)
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Looks like he waited 90 days and picked up where he left off.
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31 posts in 16 hours must be some sort of record. A dubious record, though. . .
I wonder if he checked daily 'til the ban ended. I never announced to anyone, including him, just for how long I had sat him in the corner.
I'm at the office loading a medical waste trailer, but when I get home -- to the bigger computer with all of the passwords in it -- I'll check again to see if a more drastic ban or other fix is warranted.
Thanks for tipping me off (said the baby boy to the Rabbi).
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i guess im the only one that finds the info interesting and somewhat usefull.... i didnt know the bloodhound is about the same size as breedloves '65 car!... did you ? franklin spent time researched it.... i think the dribble is from all the wanna be haters who just post distain for him... to me "here we go again" is not about franklins posts but about the hate posts..... i prefer to see his old crap than "happy birthday", "happy thanksgiving", or "hey look at my new pinstriping" waste of bandwidth.....just leave him alone
kent
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Kent.
He will be banned or stuck in the corner..
John
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Why not just have an FR section, so that those who find (some of the stuff) it interesting can access the material?
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Jon --
I think limiting him someway to a post or two or length limit would be most fair. It's his domination of each and every subject, and the time it takes to go thru it all that wears one out.
Yes, Kent, he often does have sometihing to offer. And I, too, feel the same way about all the social news and chat that ought to be pms (What time are you getting there?, Let's have lunch, etc.). But his use of the site is overwhelming, and I think tends to turn a lot of folks off in itself, and away from the site altogether.
Stan Back
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I tried engaging in civil conversation with him when I first joined the forum a few months ago. He wouldn't let me. I had no more than stated something (respectfully) that disagreed with him he turned on me with all the vitriol he could muster. I blocked him. I had totally forgotten about him until I saw this thread. I hope I can forget about him again, real soon.
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I've been both in Ratliff's corner and on his case. I've PM'd him, I've read some of his stuff, and enjoyed some of it, and also thought that he was out of bounds on some things. But I put him on ignore after receiving e-mails directly from him.
In some ways, he seems to be a savant, and in some ways, he seems to lack social graces. That probably describes a lot of us, but Franklin seems to be acute in both categories.
As long as someone is willing to argue with him, he has a reason to be here. And as long as someone else needs to have the last word with him, we'll have a reason to keep him around.
Kind of like "The Gimp" from Pulp Fiction.
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As long as someone is willing to argue with him, he has a reason to be here.
That implies a two-way conversation. He is on 24/7 spew mode and never answers a question. He just parrots what he has already posted, ad nauseam.
The major topic of interest here is internal combustion, wheel driven racing. That's what 99 percent of the people here do. Everything else has a place, but not to the extent that it takes over life.
Ad nauseam is a Latin term used to describe an argument that has been continuing "[to the point of] nausea".[1] For example, the phrase, "This topic has been discussed ad nauseam"; signifies that it has been discussed extensively, and that everyone involved is tired of that discussion.
Ad nauseam arguments are logical fallacies that rely upon the repetition of a single argument while ignoring other valid arguments, to counter those other arguments. This tactic relies on the use of intentional obfuscation, in which other logic and rationality is intentionally ignored in favor of preconceived, and ultimately, subjective modes of reasoning and rationality.
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Members of cliques are puzzled by independent thinkers who are their own man.
ROBERT HEINLEIN:
"A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill."
"Being right too soon is socially unacceptable."
"I never learned from a man who agreed with me. "
"One could write a history of science in reverse by assembling the solemn pronouncements of highest authority about what could not be done and could never happen."
"Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."
"A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity."
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Members of cliques are puzzled by independent thinkers who are their own man.
ROBERT HEINLEIN:
"A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill."
"Being right too soon is socially unacceptable."
"I never learned from a man who agreed with me. "
"One could write a history of science in reverse by assembling the solemn pronouncements of highest authority about what could not be done and could never happen."
"Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."
"A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity."
I pretty much agree with what you say here. Just remember that most of us enjoy the history of LSR, just not most of your commentary or responses. Again most of us are piston driven knuckleheads (me, not including everyone) who love the sound of a high horsepower pounding engine. Don't get me wrong I love the sound of military jet flying above, but until I can see a jet vehicle on the salt for myself I'm just not that thrilled by the topic.
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Members of cliques are puzzled by independent thinkers who are their own man.
ROBERT HEINLEIN:
"A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill."
"Being right too soon is socially unacceptable."
"I never learned from a man who agreed with me. "
"One could write a history of science in reverse by assembling the solemn pronouncements of highest authority about what could not be done and could never happen."
"Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."
"A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity."
I pretty much agree with what you say here. Just remember that most of us enjoy the history of LSR, just not most of your commentary or responses. Again most of us are piston driven knuckleheads (me, not including everyone) who love the sound of a high horsepower pounding engine. Don't get me wrong I love the sound of military jet flying above, but until I can see a jet vehicle on the salt for myself I'm just not that thrilled by the topic.
Best way to see a jet is at night at a dragstrip.
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I'm a very patient guy with fellow like old Ratman, but I pulled the trigger on him just minutes ago.
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I tried engaging in civil conversation with him when I first joined the forum a few months ago. He wouldn't let me. I had no more than stated something (respectfully) that disagreed with him he turned on me with all the vitriol he could muster. I blocked him. I had totally forgotten about him until I saw this thread. I hope I can forget about him again, real soon.
I could say the same, and I could not say it better.
I do not presume that my absence really matters to anyone, however I will not be posting or even lurking while the rat is allowed to spew his hateful and uninformed diatribes. Someone email me if and when he is gone for good.
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yeah, if you would have ever posted anything usefull i might say id miss ya.... see ya blue!
Kent
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Why not just have an FR section, so that those who find (some of the stuff) it interesting can access the material?
I put him on ignore but I still have to remember which of his numerous threads are his!.
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I tried engaging in civil conversation with him when I first joined the forum a few months ago. He wouldn't let me. I had no more than stated something (respectfully) that disagreed with him he turned on me with all the vitriol he could muster. I blocked him. I had totally forgotten about him until I saw this thread. I hope I can forget about him again, real soon.
I could say the same, and I could not say it better.
I do not presume that my absence really matters to anyone, however I will not be posting or even lurking while the rat is allowed to spew his hateful and uninformed diatribes. Someone email me if and when he is gone for good.
(Richard Noble) "A sort of Maccho culture has built up which has left many of the Bonneville drivers running unnecessarily high risks because the cars often have minimal safety structures. My good friend Franklin Ratliff is not only an excellent historian but also has been leading a campaign to get this noticed and standards improved."
Richard Noble is himself a former World Land Speed Record holder and project leader for the team that built Thrust SSC (the first supersonic car). Who the f**k are you?
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That last remark is totally uncalled for FR! You are now in the gutter. It does not belong on here.
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Bvillecr---Love the old Piston War planes---although I will give jets one thing---vertical slowrolls are sorta neat :cheers:
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Folks:
I've banned Franklin Ratliff from the forum. I don't like "having" to ban him -- but I think that for the general good of this grouup it is best that he no longer be allowed to post.
I understand all too well that there are some folks in this group that feel he offers valuable information to them/all -- but as the administrator I must aim for the greatest good to the greatest number of members of the group. The feedback I've received about Mr. Ratliff in the past two days tells me that I needed to ban him.
In the past I offered him his own topic so he could post at his will and those who chose not to read his stuff -- could easily avoid it. He turned my offer down. And As for the other suggestions -- limiting the length of his posts, for instance -- there's no easy way to do that with the Forum software. So it was all or nothing - I chose nothing.
I hope you'll all understand that I want this to remain a vital and valid place for interchange of ideas and good wishes and will continue with your conversations as before.
Regards --
Jon a/k/a Seldom Seen Slim
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SSS---Thanks for the Fourm---there are lots of us read nearly every post to try to gain insigts into what we are attempting to accomplish---whatever it may be---personally I am addicted to visiting the MAYOR at his place!!!!!!!!
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I kiss your feet!!!!
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Thanks Jon, you made my day. :cheers:
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Wow.... good for you Slim... well i guess this is your little kitty litter box you can do whatever you and your moderators want to.... even if it is full of pizzing and moaning little girls... so ya pulled up you skirt and did what your people wanted... i gotta ask ya, what is your idea of the focus of this site? It seems like it exist only for a few to pal around.... i mean the last time i checked this was the "Landracing" web site... i dont see anywhere that the conversations are to only be about wheel driven, IC motored, Blue colored vehicles west of the Mississippi... and yet when a subject was brought up about thrust all your girls throw a hissy fit.... as far as the people who post, big deal who they are and wether they are liked or not... as long as they bring ideas, information, and engaging conversation let em post... yep Frank showed back up and engaged in conversation about thrust and he took 3 days of attacks before he snapped... and likewise im sure you Slim took 3 days of attacks from these little girls... you all should be ashamed at your selfs but probably wont cuz you got your play pen back just the way you like it.... I for one liked the decade old pix Frank posted and actually he made one very usefull post about canopy emergancy releases... i checked out his link and then studied some of the pix he had posted and came up with a couple of good ideas for my new liner, I look at those pix and see past ideas, craftsmanship, and help solving design problems... You guys look at them and see wasted bandwidth.... i beleave you cant go forward without looking back.... Talk about wasted bandwidth, check out the introduce yourself pages, It is bloated with comments like: This is "THE place where you come for answers to your questions" and likewise "you can learn from other peoples mistakes" and yet you tossed arguably one of the sports knowledgeable historians... Yes i probably should have been a little PC and PM'd this message tp slim but it really is directed to the punks on here.. so here is a little bit of history that i see repaeting itself.... When i was in grade school, i saw the bullies picking on the fat kid in the play ground....
later!
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Anyone want to touch this one? 8-)
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Nope! Stuck a fork in it and "It's Done!" :roll:
Lynda
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Wow.... good for you Slim... well i guess this is your little kitty litter box you can do whatever you and your moderators want to.... even if it is full of pizzing and moaning little girls... so ya pulled up you skirt and did what your people wanted... i gotta ask ya, what is your idea of the focus of this site? It seems like it exist only for a few to pal around.... i mean the last time i checked this was the "Landracing" web site... i dont see anywhere that the conversations are to only be about wheel driven, IC motored, Blue colored vehicles west of the Mississippi... and yet when a subject was brought up about thrust all your girls throw a hissy fit.... as far as the people who post, big deal who they are and wether they are liked or not... as long as they bring ideas, information, and engaging conversation let em post... yep Frank showed back up and engaged in conversation about thrust and he took 3 days of attacks before he snapped... and likewise im sure you Slim took 3 days of attacks from these little girls... you all should be ashamed at your selfs but probably wont cuz you got your play pen back just the way you like it.... I for one liked the decade old pix Frank posted and actually he made one very usefull post about canopy emergancy releases... i checked out his link and then studied some of the pix he had posted and came up with a couple of good ideas for my new liner, I look at those pix and see past ideas, craftsmanship, and help solving design problems... You guys look at them and see wasted bandwidth.... i beleave you cant go forward without looking back.... Talk about wasted bandwidth, check out the introduce yourself pages, It is bloated with comments like: This is "THE place where you come for answers to your questions" and likewise "you can learn from other peoples mistakes" and yet you tossed arguably one of the sports knowledgeable historians... Yes i probably should have been a little PC and PM'd this message tp slim but it really is directed to the punks on here.. so here is a little bit of history that i see repaeting itself.... When i was in grade school, i saw the bullies picking on the fat kid in the play ground...."
Kent I agree with you. How do you guys know he's not some paraplegic somewhere in a wheel chair poking out these replies with a pencil in his teeth? Doesn't having an "Ignore" button solve the problem for those of you that are bothered? If I can learn one thing from all his "multitude of posts" then I am happy. Some of his quotes are very deep and right on the mark. One of my own favorite quotes is "In life, you are either learning...or dying." You can't learn anything new in life if everyone thinks like you. If it deals with the Speed of anything- past, present or future, I want to learn about it so I can grow as a person and a racer--
Aren't some of the most brillant minds in the World, (in regards to speed) members or readers of this website? People get ahead in this World by thinking "outside the box". Ask Burt Rutan how he got ahead. Then look at General Motors and you'll immediately see why they're a failure. I would hate to think that anyone who communicates "differently" but sometimes brillantly would be excommunicated from this site when a lot of us strive to think "outside the box" everyday-- Bill
later!
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:evil: now? :-D
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Kent, I only agree with your posts about 66% of the time, but you are right on with this one.
The last time Frankie was banned here he was vilified by the "folks in the know" including several site "moderaters" (now there's a double entandre if I have ever seen one) who seemingly take delight in igniting fires if they don't like the person, not because they disagree with the post. Some of these are the very same people who demanded that Jack Dolan be banned or the money would dry up in supporting this site.
In other words, they want freedom of speech as long as its their speech, and any opposing views should not be allowed.
I will be the first to admit that Frankie is usually annoying even when he is right, but the same people who applaud his dimice have the same ability to skip or delete as the rest of us.
When you start deleting or banning posts that you disagree with, you are killing what this site is supposed to be about, OPEN DISCUSSION about ALL aspects of Land Speed Racing.... Bob
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Just in case it is missed on the other meandering thread on ALSR - I too would expect this group to tolerate all forms of land speed racing discussion - thrust powered as much as wheeldrive. I know your racing organisations do not sanction thrust powered cars but the BUB meeting allowed two wheelers with rocket power. Whether it is steam powered or just IC, Diesel or electric we can all learn a little more each day from such variety. I even learn from the 'naked' conventional bike riders!
I predict that all absolute speed records on two, three and four wheels will all be set by thrust powered vehicles within this first decade of the 21st Century and some of them will be 'home constructed' vehicles too.
I support your actions Slim because no one can moderate FR to create an acceptable forum with his contributions.
Malcolm UK
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................. I support your actions Slim because no one can moderate FR to create an acceptable forum with his contributions.
Malcolm UK
This is what it comes down to is supporting Slim, but still giving him feedback. I'm glad (sorry) this has been his decision and not one I had to make.
Kent I know where you are coming from and support most of it except where you called me one of the "girls" for talking about a lunch engagement. I think there is room for that on this board to some degree, but I agree that lengthy one on one conversations between members would best be carried out on the phone, PM's or e-mail. Personally I get tired of FR's repetitive posts, but I can ignore them and like others and you have said he sure has contributed a lot of history. Not necessarily info I'm interested in, but I'm sure others are.
Not an easy call for Jon to make, but I'd support him which ever way he goes with this,
Sum
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If you want to hear from Franklin Ratliff his e-mail is
propsterguy@aol.com, send him yours and he will fill your incoming box daily. I am not trying to be sarcastic but if you want conversation and repeated history or want information on something he has a great library and will be happy to send it to you. :-D
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You're right Glen , however I would caution anyone from doing this . after an aggressive exchange with him the time before last when he was banned I said "hey, here I am,here's my email......." now, due to the length and unusual nature of my email spam address generators didn't hit it and in ten years it had NEVER attracted any spam. Once I was on the Propsters list , who I might add emails with visible addresses not the BCC the spam began. slowly at first then more and more until finally during my recent hospital stay my email account was hacked and hi-jacked.Most people , me included have a certain amount of personal information in there....as yet I haven't suffered any personal loss from it but that doesn't mean I won't and it took a long time to get back in.
Ultimately FR has a lot to offer in terms of history , but what he lacks in discretion , diplomacy and the ability to judge what is appropriate in a conversation or to conduct an "argument" in a civil ,logical and reasonable manner undermines all the hard work he's put into his passion.
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Ultimately FR has a lot to offer in terms of history , but what he lacks in discretion , diplomacy and the ability to judge what is appropriate in a conversation or to conduct an "argument" in a civil ,logical and reasonable manner undermine all the hard work he's put into his passion.
True words.
Jon had to make a tough decision, but I think it was his best option.
Don
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well i guess this is your little kitty litter box . . .
pizzing and moaning little girls...
your girls throw a hissy fit....
and he took 3 days of attacks before he snapped...
and likewise im sure you Slim took 3 days of attacks from these little girls...
you all should be ashamed at your selfs but probably wont cuz you got your play pen back just the way you like it....
Yes i probably should have been a little PC and PM'd this message tp slim but it really is directed to the punks on here..
.... When i was in grade school, i saw the bullies picking on the fat kid in the play ground....
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thanks for the shorter version of the rant. :roll:
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(snip . . . ) I look at those pix and see past ideas, craftsmanship, and help solving design problems... You guys look at them and see wasted bandwidth.... i beleave you cant go forward without looking back.... Talk about wasted bandwidth, check out the introduce yourself pages, It is bloated with comments like: This is "THE place where you come for answers to your questions" and likewise "you can learn from other peoples mistakes" and yet you tossed arguably one of the sports knowledgeable historians....
Nicely written Kent and thanks for stepping up and saying it.
(snip . . ) When you start deleting or banning posts that you disagree with, you are killing what this site is supposed to be about, OPEN DISCUSSION about ALL aspects of Land Speed Racing....Bob
Sometimes ego interfers with intelect. There are a few linebackers here.
(snip . . ) I've banned Franklin Ratliff from the forum. I don't like "having" to ban him . . . . I hope you'll all understand that I want this to remain a vital and valid place for interchange of ideas and good wishes and will continue with your conversations as before. Jon a/k/a Seldom Seen Slim
I guess there are 2 conditions for membership. Good ideas are OK as long as they are blessed with the holy water of experience. We couldn’t get to the moon without PhDs. But most of them couldn’t even ride a bicycle or fly a plane.
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At first I too sided with Frank.... until his posts became caustic and threatening.
I could go on, but it's a moot point now.
Smitty
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its funny how so many people love amsterdam....yet they dont move there....
anyone can host their own website..with their own rules..
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Joea, If a website has rules, do they apply to everyone or only to certain group of people, or certain indivduals? Mike R.
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thats the beauty of it..........your website.....your rules....... :-)
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Pookie, I don't think you have any idea how much trouble this guy has caused over the years. You can go to almost any web site that has to do with racing and he has been booted off. He does what he wants and posts what he wants but 99% of the time he will never answer a question but re print old articles and tell everyone he is a expert on LSR or what ever the many web sites are about. He repeats the same thing over and over and tells people it was his idea years ago.
He has been removed from this site 3 times and still hasn't learned how people feel about his ranting. There are some things that could be discussed but under his terms. He is probably on more blocked sender lists then any one person.
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Google " Franklin Ratliff " you could spend half a day reading 10+ years of internet forum disruptions by him from Land speed racing to Nasa's Casini rocket to drag and boat racing to dead horses in colorado and on and on..... :?
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Slim,
This is your website. You paid for it. You run it as you see fit. If you try to make everyone happy in life, you will go crazy. It is impossible to make some people happy, Damed if you do and Damed if you don't.
Tom G.
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Damed if you do and Damed if you don't.
Tom G.
That doesn't sound so bad actually. :-D
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Damed if you do and Damed if you don't.
Or you can put it this way:
Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.
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Oh, nevermind then. :-D
I just did a quick search on "Franklin Ratliff" and I am blown away by the number of forums he has been banned from. He has ranted all over the place, and not only on motorsport topics, always with the same style and result. Very sad.
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seriously though.......its like purchasing product from Airtech (ie my hero Kent Riches)...
.....there are expected behaviors in making a purchase from Kent....if he finds cause
to deny you product that is offered to anyone.....then he damn sure will not.......
and RIGHTFULLY so..... :-)
some websites have a "black list"...ie dead beat customers like Kents site has...
as of yet, Landracing is not doing that...
love ya Kent...
Joe :)
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Hey Joe, what is wrong with my home town
Amsterdam NL. .........you want it... we got it.....you name it........ and it is legal.......what more would anyone want...........remember a couple of hours or even one day on leave in the red-light district
is not what Amsterdam is all about........just like Sturgis and Rapid City for one week in August is not what S. Dakota is all about.................................
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Having had the pleasure of meeting both Jon's (A. and W.) I don't for a moment think that either of them ever took any actions as site owners without a lot of forthought. As Tom correctly stated, you can't please everyone all the time.
I think as a moderator you kind of have to sell your soul to the devil in that you may have to make decisions that go against what you may or may not feel, for the good of the site.
In the grand scheme of things in today's economic turmoil, Frankie is just a spec on a fly's a... but just the same its a shame that censorship is needed on a open site.
Having said that, this is still a great asset to our sport, and when you add up the pro's vs. the con's, without the hard work of both Jon's, we would have little or no contact with each other and all the valuable info we have gleaned from each other.
I only wish it didn't smell of politics........ive had enough of that for a few years.............
Carry on Jon, your our commander in chief, and I stand behind you.................Bob
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Damed if you do and Damed if you don't.
Or you can put it this way:
Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.
Dean,
How did you get that to work? When I typed those words in and posted other words showed up, so I edited my post to damed and it took it.
Tom G.
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55 parts on the way willie buchta
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Hey Joe, what is wrong with my home town
Amsterdam NL. .........
....they try to close the Coffee Shops....... :-D
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Hi Tom!
The evil dirty word filter only works against a continuous string of letters.
[size=10pt]Dam[/size]ned if you do and [size=10pt]Dam[/size]ned if you don't.
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Hi, Glen and all. I don't have a problem with FR, I'm not to concerned with his banishment from this site, BUT I do wonder why the hell you all get so up set with him when you know what he is all about. There is nothing to gain by trying to argue with him so why not just ignore the guy. If he posts, don't read it. Let me ask you, if FR was standing next to you, leaning on the fence at the starting line at El Mirage, and he started up a conversation with you about his propster, how many seconds would it take for you to get the hell away from him?Pretty soon, he would have the whole fence to himself, because no one would be interested in his opinion. But what does bother me is the mean spirited, glib, sarcastic remarks , antagonizing remarks, pushing this guy to turn around and fight, but its just a screen, not the wiseguy who said all the bad things to him. Look how Noonan was going on, and Dean of LA. They started up on the new member 57 t-bird, hell, I even thought he was FR myself for a while, but as it turns out, the guy is a stand up guy, he is legit, and he has a great interest in unlimited LSR. What happened, he is gone because of a few clowns jumping on him. Where is Willie World, what a good guy, I'm sure he would give you the shirt off his back, then have you sit down to have dinner with him . Couple of the same pin heads do their thing on him, now he is not giving us any of his talented ideas or build diaries.. and I could go on, especially on Dean of LA, who used the dumbest analogy the world has ever seen, on the personal parachute thread, asking why FR doesn't go and try to convince the Moto Gp guys to use it in their form of racing. and not one person called him on it. I got a lot to say to him, so if he wants to argue PM me. So it goes on Glen, these few "big time racers" that really don't give much direction about a build but are never shy about tooting their own horn. Kent Riches has got it RIGHT. You know I have watched Mr. Riches in the pits talking and working and he comes across to me as one hell of a stand up guy. So, Old F"boy" Ratliff even if he is a "bone head" is the fat kid on the play ground, surrounded by the big bad bullies who know they can kick his ass still screwing with him because it makes them feel real tough. THAT is Totalley WRONG. and SSS allowed it to happen not just this time but all the times before and never once did he enforce the rules that he authored and made us all acknowledge before we were allowed on this site... So thats my "BEEF", and I will not give a red cent to this web site until SSS starts making those guys toe the line that HE DREW IN THE SAND... 1 more thing, anyone remember MR. JACK DOLAN. I miss him also.. I couldn't care less what Jon Amo or anyone else thought of Mr. Dolan he knew his stuff.
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........ya have your own website.......ya do what ya like......
jon a. respects jack d. immensely.......
jack is not banned......he can come and go as he pleases...
and yes ....getting to know folks...up front and personal is often very revealing....
thats why i appreciate Kent so much.....
and yes pookie.....like you mentioned........the site is FREE for you...
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Pookie, I'd like to address some of your points, too.
Let me ask you, if FR was standing next to you, leaning on the fence at the starting line at El Mirage, and he started up a conversation with you about his propster, how many seconds would it take for you to get the hell away from him?Pretty soon, he would have the whole fence to himself, because no one would be interested in his opinion.
Speaking for myself, I'd love to meet Franklin face to face, and I suspect many others would, too. It's my hope that some day I will.
I suspect that the problem with communicating with Franklin, and ALL of my communications with Franklin have been through this forum, e-mails and PM's, is that the medium of an on-line forum lacks nuance (avatars notwithstanding). Mr. Ratliff's posts were often dogmatic, he dodged direct questions or challenges, and seldom took an interest in anything else this forum had to offer other than his own research.
Perhaps face to face, on the sideline at Elmo, a great conversation regarding propulsion vehicles could ensue with the man.
I'll also restate my position that nothing would give me a bigger smile than for Franklin to prove us all wrong.
But what does bother me is the mean spirited, glib, sarcastic remarks , antagonizing remarks, pushing this guy to turn around and fight, but its just a screen, not the wiseguy who said all the bad things to him.
Probably nobody's proudest moments, but most of the venom directed at Franklin was out of frustration with his inability to communicate in a tone that didn't come across as empirical or rude.
They started up on the new member 57 t-bird, hell, I even thought he was FR myself for a while, but as it turns out, the guy is a stand up guy, he is legit, and he has a great interest in unlimited LSR.
Me, too, and if you look at some of 57's posts and compare them to some of the pdf posts Ratliff has put up, there was a striking resemblance. I later apologized to Jim for my doubts.
Kent Riches has got it RIGHT. You know I have watched Mr. Riches in the pits talking and working and he comes across to me as one hell of a stand up guy. So, Old F"boy" Ratliff even if he is a "bone head" is the fat kid on the play ground, surrounded by the big bad bullies who know they can kick his ass still screwing with him because it makes them feel real tough.
Kent's work, passion and success speak for itself. My post earlier in this thread, quoting only Kent, was intended to demonstrate that Kent was employing the very tactics he denounced in his recent post. I think he undermined his position in doing so.
But that is the problem with Franklin - he brings out the worst in a lot of otherwise very good people. Even those who defend him.
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Mr. M Midget& Joe A ; It is my understanding this web site is for all people who are interested in LSR. SSS set up rules for " each" of us to follow when having interaction with others on this web site. But, a certain few, I say "few" because I am certain there are several thousand registered users, and many guests as well, have been "allowed" to get away with verbally pushing certain people around! I mentioned a few of their names in my last post. The question is, my fellow web site users, WHO WILL BE NEXT> By allowing this conduct, SSS is actually defeating the purpose of this forum, to exchange ideas, getting answers to LSR questions and providing us with coverage of Landspeed events. Who can ever forget the outstanding blow by blow coverage of , read by thousands of us, when the 5 fastest cars and bikes were running at the Bonneville time trials put on by Mike Cook. At least, thats what I thought this web site was all about. Hey, maybe I'm wrong. You see this thread is NOT about ol' FR, it really is about the "Bullies" being allowed to get away with their actions and then BRAGGING ABOUT IT. Look at Noonans left hand column whenever he posts, "the great Ratliif hunter" Here's what amazes me about all this crap, IF YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT IS BEING POSTED WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU READ IT OR RESPOND IN A VICIOUS< DEMEANING WAY if not to only provoke a negative response . Joe A. Please read the last post that your brother sent to Mr. Dolan when Carl Johannsen and Mr. Dolan were posting about the LSR event Carl is promoting next year at Lovelock Nev. Then tell me how much Jon respects Mr. Dolan. Next if you are of a mind too, look at his posting to "Willie" when he posted how much he missed Mr. Dolan, Willie hasn't been heard of since, same with Mr. Dolan. I KNOW MOST PEOPLE READING THIS RANT WILL PROBLEY SAY who in the hell is this guy, but you know I've been reading this website for 3+ years and I have just had it with the"Bully's" around here. People who go out and deliberately pick on someone,regardless if he or she is a pinhead, are just a bunch of cowards, who wouldn't have the guts to say the same thing to their face. There, enough ranting from me, I'll go back to lurking, oh yeah. FOR FREE until I see a change in Mr. SSS enforcement of HIS RULES.
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PS: I know I said I was going away but I felt I should add, if Mr. SSS can figure out a way to enforce his rules on civility, I would be happy, NO HONORED, to continue my VERY VERY small financial support of this Landracing website, and Landspeed Racing. I have been aware and around LSR since the Mid 50s,know several of the old timers from back in the day. I have had only admiration and awe for ALL participants and it continues to be just as passionate today as it was when I was a young "Whipper Snapper." May you all achieve your goals in the finest endeavor of all:::: Land Speed Racing!!!!!!
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Pookie has explained things very well, and I agree.
For me, Franklin's posts weren't nearly as annoying or distracting as all the uproar that followed them.
There is an art to being a moderator. I can't agree with allowing people to rip Franklin to shreds, or deleting my posts (like the one from a few months back where I mentioned that I created and hosted the original Web sites for the SCTA/BNI, the USFRA, and the ECTA) without any explanation, or disallowing us from using words as common and mundane as "d a m b".
Dave Mann
(602) 233-8400
http://www.roadsters.com/
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wow ya know this is good... healthy banter between people who like, or dislike each other.. and those who dislike will probable have a beer together sometime on a lakebed... this is good.... now let me toss this out to ya.... i like I'm sure most of you lurk and even post in other forums... take a moment to evaluate those forums cuz when i do, it seems that the forums that do not censor cussing, fighting, smack talking, written azz beatings are the ones that are huge sites with ton's of activity and members... wether they are right or wrong the posters seem to settle things themselves... now the sites that regulate seem rarely visited, with little activity.... unless your into Kitty's, bubbles, or roses.... Now I'm gonna say this... I like Slim!... I like him alot... maybe not as much as Nancy.... But be is one heii of a stand up nice guy... thats why i think you guys put Slim in a tough "damm if ya do" situation... don't do that! it's not fair to Slim... Amo got sick and tired of it and shut the site down.. Slim doesn't seem to be the stick it back in your face guy like Amo is.... Its not Slims fault... you punks pressured him in PM's... Do do it.... I know every one of you that claimed use the ignore button read Franks posts and I'm sure everyone of you tune in to see what the butt head posted new... hypocrites.... Midget quoted one of my posts cuz he thinks i am one.... yep I'm a call it as i see it type of guy...thats why i got kicked off of here before... actually it was for attacking a self proclaimed know it all on here.... kinda just like what you guys did only i used profanity....
Kent
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Heck, you don't have to swear to get the boot.........Dolan never once (to the best of my knowlege) swore or used any names as the focus of his orations, and he still took it in the arse, gol durn it..................Bob
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Hi there, boys and girls. I guess it's time once again for me to sign in here.
First of all -- Bob, I haven't banned Jack Dolan. If he was ever so kept from being a part of this Forum -- it was by others.
Pookie: I thank you for your comments. The rules weren't written by me, although they are now "my" rules by the fact that I've bought and paid for the site. I don't think they're onerous, and I'm trying to "enforce" them more by acclamation than by brute force. I haven't done much "ruling". Most of what has been done was by others, whether with or without permission. Case in point: I didn't delete any posts (if memory serves correctly). Others, acting as moderators, did do so. All of those appointed as moderators were so granted that authority before I got the site, and it wasn't all that long after I bought it -- that I deleted all the moderators save myself. I'm the only one that has the control board to "moderate" now. Well - not specifically true. I do have one helper that has the magic decoder ring so that I can get technical help. To the best of my knowledge that person has not done any moderating by task -- but has, on occasion, contacted me to mention a specific incident that might need some action by me. But nobody is doing any deleting of posts these days -- except the one that ALWAYS has the power to delete -- the original poster.
As for excising "swear" words, well, yeah, I'm guilty there. I admit that I could allow the use of one, or two, or maybe more -- but I look at this site as one that must remain economically viable - so that I can someday sell it, someday pepper it with commercial sponsors to pay for whatever costs are incurred. By keeping the swearing at a minimum I'm not restricting the viewing of the site to those that can stand the strong language. I've done what I could to allow swearing, in fact -- by using the software to substitute words for the more common curse words. It works -- and seems to bring a bit of enjoyment to many on the Forum. As evidence note how many people apparently enjoy using the substitute words to emphasize their point -- how many are finding that they can get the extra emphasis of a swear word -- by using one of the substitutes.
Okay -- that's that. Thanks, all of you, for logging on to landracing.com, for sending your support my way, and for being part of this community. Best regards --
Jon
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Sorry Guys
I just looked through this I didn't know that my threads on ALSR was going to effect some in such a way as to hate me. I been into drag racing all my life my mom and dad took me when my dad raced as a baby its growing up in the sport. I was 5 years old when I seen Sonic 1 and the Green monster battle in Hot Rod Magazine. I was hooked I love the ALSR more than drag racing I am a hot rodder with a dream and passion to one day battle among them. I may have come off like someone els you are talking about not me its from the heart of what I love most in this world. When you think of the ALSR day in and out thinking of design researching all the failed designs and the proven record designs like I do its special. I like this Landracing site so many great people and LSR cars. I like to meet as many of you in 2009 Speed week as I can to gain knowledge see your LSR cars how you built them. Bonneville is by far very interesting and Black Rock I go to once a month to Bruno's Country Club to chat with the bar tender the 97 history of the ALSR
All in all in my book your all great with a LSR heart challenge to the limit of your machines to gain on a record greatest racing on earth. Thank you for letting me be a part of it. You can who I am and the racing I do through my web page
http://fordflashback.com/jd_fords.asp
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Jon, sorry if my post sounded as if you banned Jack, I know you didn't. I think you have done a very admirable job of trying to make a smooth transition of ownership with what you inherited. I also don't mean in any way to take away the wonderful job Jon Amo did in creating this website.
I don't think that any or all of us couldn't sit down for a beer with anyone else who loves LSR and not have a enjoyable experience.
I think that all of us in our own selfish ways want this website to be catering to what each of us percieve to be the ultimate website of LSR.
Sometimes things are taken out of context. Sometimes our humor is not humorous to others. Sometimes we don't like being constrained by rules (especially the bikers.......oop's, I forgot you are one of them). Sometimes what others say just doesn't make sense.
The important thing, in my opinion, is to keep the big picture in mind. That means that all of us posters respect your rules, respect each other, and remember that we are all in this together.
For those of you who think your being abused, trade jobs with Jim Jensen, the tech workers, or the many others who stand in the Sun all day and get bitched at for something they can't control.
And for those of you who inundate Jon with your petty f...ing complaints, get a life. Learn how to scroll....you know, the funny knob on your mouse.........
Thanks again Jon for keeping this site alive.........Bob
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Hey Tbird,
there is no problem with your writing - it's just so that on landracing.com the most are Hot Rodders - people who like to go fast with there backyard built racer - the ALSR is not so in there mind - in the 60's the ALSR was still backyard built, but today the records are on a so level that it starts to be science and unaffortable......unfortunately......
I done a comment on a other thread to your writing - in a very short form - I was not interest to bother you with my comment - may be you could understand them the wrong way.
Therefore:
Your long notes are very interest for the people on this forum, but do me a favor - please stay on the right facts - your are telling nice stories, but, especially by the numbers, you got sometimes not the correct facts.
The problem is where people can get there knowledge about LSR and ALSR - they comes mostly from magazine like Hot Rod or the few books about LSR which are published over the years. Unfortunately very often this articles and books are not properly researched - a wonderful example was this year the article about the restored Goldenrod in the Hot Rod magazine.
When I read them I lost my last 50 hairs on my head....now I got three left over. But do to this that the people got no other media to get this information they have to believe this what they read in this article.
Stay on with your writing, but, please check a little bit your facts :wink: thanks, and have a great christmas season...see you at the salt 2009.
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PorkPie. I have had the "Last 3 Hairs" problem... I found that if you grow those hairs really long you can wrap them around your head a few times, and use your ears to hold them up! No one will ever notice. OR... you can look into the carburetor of an out of time engine just as your buddy hits the ignition switch... Either way it solves the problem. :-D
I know this is off topic, but I thought this thread had pretty much run it's course so a little humor was in order. Remember "If it's a bad comb over.. it still means you have something to comb."
:cheers: Smitty
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My brothers comb over looks like a big cat scratched him across the top of his head, I just cut mine real short, no comb required and I don't care at my age. :-D :roll: :cheers:
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TBird, I have to say I thoroughly enjoy reading the ALSR postings that you put up. It may not be to everyones taste but they know the subject matter of the thread so it's easy to avoid.
It's the avoidance bit that I don't understand. Why would you? LSR is a development originally from ALSR so surely we should all be encouraging and supporting our various countries in their endeavours through mediums such as this forum without all of the sillyness that seems to accompany it.
I realise that the comparisons in engineering between ASLR and LSR have diversified somewhat over the years and it's now less about the 'hot rod' style of engineering and more of the space travel style of engineering but at the end of the day it's all about going fast on land....thrust or driven. :wink:
Let's have more Tbird style postings on the subject from people that know their stuff and have lived it and that can pass it on to those of us who have only been involved for a couple of years.
Whether you're a dyed in the wool hotrodder or hold a doctorate in aerospace engineering, (or you're both!) this is the place where we can all meet and exchange ideas from around the world.
Thank you SSS for the forum, from a newbie.
Go Bloodhound! :wink: :wink:
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..............it wasn't all that long after I bought it -- that I deleted all the moderators save myself. I'm the only one that has the control board to "moderate" now..............
Jon I think there is some confusion here as even though we no longer moderate we still have the "moderate" name tag by our names. Might be good to remove those.
Thanks,
Sum
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Easy for you to say! I'll look into it tomorrow, like I'll look into a bunch of other things.
For the good of the site I'm engaging Bob, a friend from another world of mine, to do the technical part of minding this website I'm not willing to take the time to learn enough about programming to do stuff like needs doing on a regular basis -- and thanks to the donations you folks have sent to the site -- I can now take this step.
Back to "moderator" -- Yes, I removed the duty from all of you -- but only recently noticed that the title is still appended to your names. Let's see what happens in the next week. . .
Thanks, Sum -- hi to Ruth.
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Thanks Guys and Gals
I put a final post on the ALSR thread as I see it from my point of view its disturbing the forum in ways that people here my hate me. I came on here as I see it as a Landracing club forum meaning all types of LSR from wheel driven to Unlimited Jet/ Rocket ALSR I think I may have stepped on some toes here. I noticed from my first thread you thought I was a person you banned I don't want that at all. I came on here with respect to all LSR efforts and drivers we share the same passion risk of life speed and setting records. But after Slim's post on my thread its time to shut it down. If it where moved to a differaint forum it would die off anyways
I respect you all have a nice Christmas and new years and a very safe and record breaking 2009
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Hey, no, don't go away -- you've now got your own place/board. Your posts are interesting to many, as I said elsewhere. I didn't want your ALSR stuff to detract from the Bonneville-specific posts, that's all.
Look on the list of boards -- you'll find the new one right after the WCTA board.
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Phew! I started reading your post and I thought you and I were getting engaged! Worse yet, I thought you were turning to me for technical assistance.
I still can't figure how to download a picture for Sum...................
p.s. Dolan and I are no longer a couple.....................Bob :wink:
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57bird, anyone on this forum that tells you that the battle for the ALSR in the 60s isn't the reason they got interested in LSR in the first place are either fibbing a bit or they were raised by the SCTA leaders and didn't have a choice... :roll:
Jon, all of the prop and water stuff that Ratcliff previously posted could be moved to the new area, as long as you are not doing anything to fill your days.... :-P :cheers:
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57bird, anyone on this forum that tells you that the battle for the ALSR in the 60s isn't the reason they got interested in LSR in the first place are either fibbing a bit or they were raised by the SCTA leaders and didn't have a choice... :roll:
I blame it all on Jim McKay, Roone Arledge, and the Wide World of Sports.