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Tech Information => Technical Discussion => Topic started by: John Noonan on December 08, 2008, 06:47:34 PM
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Seems pretty pathetic that the information from previous years (results) is no longer available in the "archives section" what is the reasoning behind that?
Went to look for points and results from the 2007 season and poof: : : it is no longer available... :roll:
I thought this was the information age... :-D
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Ed Safarik
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Ed Safarak
Glen,
Thanks for the information..do you know if the SCTA owns the server and or storage for the site?
More information is posted here in any given day than what is posted and stored on the SCTA site so it would seem that the results from previous years of racing could be stored as well..?
J
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Ed operates the site -- but I don't know if he's "in charge", deciding content and the like. I'd be surprised if someone on the Board doesn't consult with Ed on details such as you're asking about, John.
And - I remember recently seeing a post (here on the Forum) telling us that some stuff had been deleted from the SCTA-BNI site to make room for other, newer data. Maybe it was for the October El Mirage event, or such...
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John, I have gotten past stuff from him in the past, Dan Warner might have it on his computer as well.
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John:
From the what's new page:
10/03/08: Due to space constraints on the SCTA-BNI web site, we have removed all 2007 Bonneville results and El Mirage 2007 results. :cry:
Mike
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John:
From the what's new page:
10/03/08: Due to space constraints on the SCTA-BNI web site, we have removed all 2007 Bonneville results and El Mirage 2007 results. :cry:
Mike
Like I said, I cannot believe that the racers results are gone, what about the people that did not get records and want to see how they did or how others did....it could not be much ($) to be able to maintain that information unless the server/storage it severely outdated..I wonder if the computer they are using is a Commodore 64? :-P
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If it is just about space I could host them, then just link to them.
just one idea. I also have space for rent.
Later Rocket
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Whois Record for Scta-bni.org
Website Title: SCTA Home Page
Domain ID:D172180-LROR
Domain Name:SCTA-BNI.ORG
Created On:11-Mar-1997 05:00:00 UTC
Name Server:NS1.ANTELECOM.NET
Administrative Contact :
Manghelli, Pam
pmanghel@HUGHES.NET
Ed provides content and Pam manages the system. Antelecom is an ISP in the Antelope Valley.
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Pam is no longer at Hughes so that info will not work. John, sending PM
DW
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Thanks to all that have offered information I guess I am just a bit frustrated at the minor situation of not having the information at hand when you can look up about everything other than last years results... :roll: I think this is a disservice to the racers and competitors however that is just my feelings I am sure... :wink:
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The requested URL /SCTA-NewWeb/El Mirage/ELM 07/ELM_Results07.htm was not found on this server.
Apache/2.0.51 (Unix) Server at www.scta-bni.org Port 80
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Well, thanks to the WayBack Machine it's still available. That nonsense about not having enough disk space is really, really dumb. The SCTA has no history. The last 50 years doesn't exist. Roy Creel's email is at Antelecom so maybe there is an answer.
2007 results
http://web.archive.org/web/20071225012710/www.scta-bni.org/SCTA-NewWeb/Bonneville/SpeedWeek_07/results.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20071225012710/www.scta-bni.org/SCTA-NewWeb/Bonneville/SpeedWeek_07/results.htm)
The internet archive keeps copies of EVERYTHING. When your favorite web site takes down that porn, BOOM it's back.
The SCTA-BNI web site goes back to 1998. Not everything works, but there is a lot there.
http://www.archive.org/index.php (http://www.archive.org/index.php)
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Dean,
Thanks however those B-Ville results should be on the SCTA current site not stuck in a garbage can in outer space...
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I'm happy to provide a hosting account free of charge if space is an issue.
I can be emailed at james@datacapital.com.au
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John, I agree with you totally. I can see a lot of storage space and bandwidth for the pictures, but the text results for the last 50 years wouldn't take 10 megabytes. The entire car and bike records for 2008 are 189K.
I'm happy to provide a hosting account free of charge if space is an issue.
Thanks Tyson. I'm sure we could find a hundred generous people that would take care of the problem, but the SCTA has to take care of this.
The difficulty with electronic storage is the very short life time. If someone donates space it could disappear on a moments notice. It happened to a donated Boy Scout district server I was involved with.
So, how do we get SCTA to fix this?
Where are the record runs stored now? How do we get them digitized and put up on the SCTA web site permanently? All of them. The entire history of the SCTA. I don't think there is a week goes by that someone doesn't post here asking about a run from the past.
The pictures are important too. Now you are talking money. Storage space and bandwidth quickly become a big issue. There are thousands of pictures taken every year at Bonneville alone.
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What to keep and what not to keep should be by responsability to fluff. Some examples for thought and discussion.
Records are the responsibility of the organization level primary. Photos of SCTA people working the event very nice to know and remember with no other site having them level secondary. Photos of cars are covered in Sumner's great site so on SCTA it's fluff level tertiary.
Same with deleting data for whatever reason. Permanent no delete. Mix must discuss. Fluff is first to go.
Geo
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How many members in the SCTA (and or) BNI? Charge us $5.00 more per year.
Upgrade to the best ISP. Back up everything religiously.
Need help with drudge work? My email is in my profile.
Mike
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Photos of cars are covered in Sumner's great site so on SCTA it's fluff level tertiary.
Sumner's site is great. That doesn't mean it's permanent. It's the SCTA's job to preserve its history.
There is no such thing as fluff. It's all important. There was an ad this weekend for a terrabyte drive for $249. That's a thousand gigabytes. That's a million megabytes. Storage is cheaper than dirt.
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not to offend whom ever has volunteered to do the site in the past but with the money generated with the BNI and the SCTA events they ought to be able to hire a professional company to do justice to the racers who support the SCTA.... in this modern age they can easily put out a request for design and hosting services for darn near free
kent
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Photos of cars are covered in Sumner's great site so on SCTA it's fluff level tertiary.
Sumner's site is great. That doesn't mean it's permanent. It's the SCTA's job to preserve its history............
I agree totally. I could get run over by a truck tomorrow and my nephews might never pay to keep the site up and it would be gone. If something similar happened to someone running the SCTA site it would continue on with the organization.
.............. Storage is cheaper than dirt..........
It sure is and the cost to them to keep the history plus pictures up would be a small drop in the bucket compared to their annual operating costs.
c ya,
Sum
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Photos of cars are covered in Sumner's great site so on SCTA it's fluff level tertiary.
Sumner's site is great. That doesn't mean it's permanent. It's the SCTA's job to preserve its history............
I agree totally. I could get run over by a truck tomorrow and my nephews might never pay to keep the site up and it would be gone. If something similar happened to someone running the SCTA site it would continue on with the organization.
.............. Storage is cheaper than dirt..........
It sure is and the cost to them to keep the history plus pictures up would be a small drop in the bucket compared to their annual operating costs.
c ya,
Sum
Sum,
From now on can we just refer to you as "Fluff".... :wink:
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There was an ad this weekend for a terrabyte drive for $249. That's a thousand gigabytes. That's a million megabytes. Storage is cheaper than dirt.
I picked up a Western Digital Terrabyte external drive from Costco a month ago for $179! :-D
I am afraid the past history of the SCTA ending up like the AMA (can't find the files in the basement) and FIM (we update every 5 yrs needed or not). :x
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Why don't you just save it when it's posted and then you have the data on your computer or a print out. :?
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that would be easy for one person to do glen....but the real thing is the credibility of an organization is established by the way it protects and promotes its past accomplishments.... it does no good if you say youve been around for 60 years and cant prove your activities
Kent
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Why don't you just save it when it's posted and then you have the data on your computer or a print out. :?
Glen,
With all respect I will just say imagine that you paid for an extended warrantee for your Duramax and GM said that they stopped keeping their records and it was on you to prove that you had purchased the extended warrantee to take care of your claim a few years later however during the warrantee period..do you see where I and all of the other racers are going with this..?
John
PS, hope to be online tonight so you can yell at me then.... 8-)
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John, the thing is they are available and anytime I need something I e-mail Ed and he will send it to me. Maybe the archive files for the event should be available by clicking onto the archives if they make a spot for a read and or print only so they can't be tampered with. I down load them for the club files so I can look into what was done. When I was the chief timer I had copies of every meet (SCTA/BNI)
property and turned over to Bob Webb and now Frank Scott is the keeper.
GB
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John, the thing is they are available and anytime I need something I e-mail Ed and he will send it to me. Maybe the archive files for the event should be available by clicking onto the archives if they make a spot for a read and or print only so they can't be tampered with. I down load them for the club files so I can look into what was done. When I was the chief timer I had copies of every meet (SCTA/BNI)
property and turned over to Bob Webb and now Frank Scott is the keeper.
GB
Glen,
I as all of the others have stated say that this information from just 6 meets ago should be available to the masses....