Landracing Forum
Loring Timing Association (Maine) => Loring (AFB) land speed venue => Topic started by: t russell on October 11, 2008, 05:21:49 PM
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What rules do you plan on using? SCTA-ECTA?
terry
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After my visit to Maxon earlier this year may I suggest using the ECTA rulebook for a couple of reasons.
First, like ECTA in the early years you will need entrants. The ability to run up class in displacement will allow class changes and hopfully encourage participation.
Second, I can see the interest in these 1 mile events expanding into a series. Using the same rulebook and record databases will result in a unified set of competition rules that can be used at all venues. This will encourage entrants to travel to the various race tracks and maybe contend for a series championship.
DW
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We will run a mirror event to the ECTA
We'll initially run a mile exactly the way ECTA runs Maxton
Sounds like ECTA rules to me.
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ECTA rules sound good to me... Hey Loring is a mile too !!! so let's keep the rules the same.
Just hope gas prices and the economy improve by next race season, so all the venues both East and West can have record attendance.
Charles
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Sorry I didn't respond to this earlier, been somewwhat FluStruck a few days.
It looks like the question was worked out and answered already. The most only difference between Maxton and Loring is the location.
The RuleBook will be The ECTA ruleBook.
The dates we had planned, August 1,2,3 have been effectively cancelled due to SpeedWeek '09 being moved up a week. We have too many people involved commited to The Salt to consider practical attendance such a short time before. Recently the ECTA also announced their Sept event is also being moved earlier a week, so we are being pinned down ,which cuts down on procrastination, to either the last weekend in August or the first in September.
As I explained in earlier posts, at this time running events prior to August isn't allowed due to Maine Wildlife concerns about a bird they consider "threatened".
That's all the bad news,here's a glimmer of goodness. If I healthy up by next weekend, I will fly/drive down to Maxton Laurinburg expressly to discuss the possible further involvement of ECTA in our venture with the Turks and Timneys, or at least DONYA.
I mean,what the hell,they DO have all that spare time ?
BOB W
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Bob, I hope you feel better and hope to see you at Maxton this coming weekend.
Looks like the dates are boxing you in ??? "Build it and they will come" Set the final date as soon as you can so those intrested can make plans well in advance.
Charles
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"Build it and they will come"
That's the plan, give it our best shot, hope for good weather, and Voila ! We get discovered ! Consider what's transpired since we started this, nothing will surprise us.
It will happen, if I'm up there by myself, it will happen. I have a general good feeling at this point, it would take something really faaaaar out to stop it now.
BOBW
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Bob,
you still planning on coming to Maxton this weekend ?
Charles
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BUB for 2009 starts on Aug 29.................................
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Looks to me like it's going to have to be an in between weekend. There's pretty much an LSR event every other weekend from Speed Week 8/9 through WOS/Maxton 9/19-9/20. I know the bikes are wanting in on this so I hope you consider Bub in the equation. How late in the year can you run up there? October's got to be pretty brrrrr!!
08/01 - 08/02 <-- possible
08/09 - 08/16 - Speed Week
08/22 - 08/23 <-- possible
08/29 - 09/03 - Bub
09/05 - 09/06 <-- Very close to Bub
09/12 - 09/13 <-- During El Mirage/Very close to WOS
09/13 El Mirage
09/15 - 09/19 WOS
09/18 - 09/20 Maxton
09/26 - 09/27 <-- possible but weather?
10/03 - 10/04 <-- Very close to World Finals
10/07 - 10/10 World Finals
10/17 - 10/18 <-- possible but weather?
10/23 - 10/25 Maxton
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Thanks for the date breakdown, Deb, I guess we just have to pick the dates with the least interference, and concede (again) the ideal dates.
Not taking away from any event or LSR group, but I strongly tend to have the most loyalty to ECTA and SCTA and their events. If I make Maxton this weekend as planned, I'll kick it around with the powers that be down there.
Hope the weekend works out better than the last time I was down there in an Oct, The Yankees got snuffed in the WS and I blew another clutch on my stinky lakester.
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Bob,
There are over a dozen ECTA bikes from the east coast that run Bub's AMA Speed Trials. including my brother Tom and I. Not sure if Pete Strunk and some of the other guys that hold AMA records from down south would make the trek to Maine from central Florida. I know my brother and I were planning on Loring in August which we cannot do if the dates conflict. I am a defending AMA record holder in a couple of classes.
Joe
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Looks like the weekends just before Speed Week 09 (08-01-09) or just after Speed Week (08-23-09)may be the only good choices. If not then the least Conflict may possibly be (09-05 or 09-12)...
Tough choices, but once the date is set,,, the final plans can begin.
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Very interesting, TFA might have to make a run up there. I hear the bear and moose jerky are good. Lobster season?
Ouch!!!!! Only 2,368 miles - 37Hours
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Mapquest says its about 130 miles for me. 3 hr trip. I may actually get to an LSR event yet :D
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I looked over the schedule that Deb did and decided to see what everything looked like.
Who would have thought LSR might have a crowded schedule?
03/09 – 03/13 DLRA - Australia
03/?? Texas Mile Top Speed Shootout
04/04 – 04/05 Maxton
04/11 – 04/12
04/18 – 04/19
04/25 – 04/26
05/02 – 05/03
05/09 – 05/10
05/16 – 05/17 Maxton & El Mirage
05/21 – 05/24 Derby Mile – Lovelock, NV
05/30 – 05/31
06/06 – 06/07
06/13 – 06/14 El Mirage
06/20 – 06/21
06/27 – 06/28 Maxton
07/04 – 07/05
07/11 – 07/12 El Mirage
07/18 – 07/19
07/25 – 07/26
08/01 - 08/02 <-- possible
08/09 - 08/16 - Speed Week
08/22 - 08/23 <-- possible
08/29 - 09/03 - Bub
09/05 - 09/06 <-- Very close to Bub
09/12 - 09/13 <-- During El Mirage/Very close to WOS
09/13 El Mirage
09/15 - 09/19 WOS
09/18 - 09/20 Maxton & Top 1 Oil Land Speed Shootout?
09/26 - 09/27 <-- possible but weather?
10/03 - 10/04 <-- Very close to World Finals
10/07 - 10/10 World Finals
10/17 - 10/18 <-- possible but weather?
10/23 - 10/25 Maxton & El Mirage & Texas Mile (based on last year)
10/31 - 11/01
11/07 - 11/08
11/14 - 11/15 El Mirage (Thanks Willie!)
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november el mirage willie buchta
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Wow busy 09 schedule.... I think Bob just has to pick a date and let us all know as asoon as he can.
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Heads up, Texas Mile just posted unofficial dates March 28-29 and October 17-18.
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:-D
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to keep in-line with "rules" I'm curious if an event gas/vendor has been solidified yet?
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V.P. , they are out of Eliot, Maine. About exit One .
I spoke with them this week , they'll be there.
BW ....Q16 user ( new and improved C16 )
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good to know. I'll have to look int othe new c16 I guess :wink:
V.P. , they are out of Eliot, Maine. About exit One .
I spoke with them this week , they'll be there.
BW ....Q16 user ( new and improved C16 )
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:-D
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Anything ECTA or SCTA legal is also LTA legal. Bring 'er on up !
Between now and LTA/09, there will be Coefficient of Friction ( COF) tests on our track surface(s) to judge as well as possible the best tires to mount on competing vehicles.
As it is mostly asphalt and some concrete, typical high performance street tires will be fine for most under 150 mph vehicles. For the more seriouser racers, we'll post whatever we find to enhance their decision on rubber choices. This is a total necessity, not just a tuning option. Anything gained in acceleration also applies to deceleration and steering and handling. KeyWord. SAFETY.
We would obviously make these tests as soon as possible, but due to the four feet of snow and six inches of ice on the entire surface, we will relegate that to when the snow melts. In May ? It was 47 below there two weeks ago, an all time state record.
Are you listening Al Gore ?
Seriously Bob W
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:cheers: :-D
Todd
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Interesting. I'm slow keeping up. I had heard that this might end up being 1 1/2 miles per run. It would be cool to have a timing trap at 1 mile (to keep venue comparisons a "little" more apples to apples) and another set at 1.5 miles. We could see some amazing speeds at that distance and not on the salt. Just tossing that out. I've got a few other threads to catch up on before I babble further.
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Rustman the 1 mile lights has been babbled about in one of these threads. I think everyone agreed it would be cool but I don't recall if they will do it. I'm thinking no as financially & logistically it can be prohibitive, not to mention the headaches a similar system encountered at Maxton and with big A being mentored by the Maxton folk I'm sure he's been warned.
However, feel free to report back what you come across in the threads as I honestly don't recall the final answer.
Debbie
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We ran 1-1/2 mile at Muroc and it took every bit of shut down area for a lot of the fast cars. As I recall it was one mile and a little rough at the far end. But it's dirt.
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I'll save you some thread shredding.
It's a one and a half mile track , start to traps.
Starts with 1000ft of Concrete ,followed by almost 7000 ft of Asphalt, then 3000 ft Asphalt, 1000 ft of same concrete as start, then 1000ft of emergency grade (abraded)asphalt, then sandy soil, then Canada. If you stop over the border, you are on your own. Actually, it's about nine miles, due North, five if you make a right.
I conservatively estimate better speeds than Maxton, just don't assume the logic of 50% more distance, 50% more speed even if the vehicle has the power and can hook up.
You'd need crazy HP and Aero most vehicles do not have. But a few do.
Wait for the C.O.F. numbers to be made public.
BOB W #343 maybe a few do-er
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AND..."Rustman the 1 mile lights has been babbled about in one of these threads. I think everyone agreed it would be cool but I don't recall if they will do it. I'm thinking no as financially & logistically it can be prohibitive, not to mention the headaches a similar system encountered at Maxton and with big A being mentored by the Maxton folk I'm sure he's been warned."
Sorry I didn't address this in the previous misguided missive
Ideally We'd like to record every racers speeds at every quarter mile, good for tuning and enhances a venue's credibility. But in the real world it's a nightmare of wiring and constant maintenance for volunteers.
We aren't really comparable to other places as we have a different surface, location, barometer, humidity, altitude, etc. So why should our distance be the same ?
Bob Warned not Warner Wanner
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Mostly for the benefit of those of you that aren't aware yet, this is the address (below) for the Loring Timing Association and
information for our event to be held in August this year.We recommend reading all
the info available, and we hope it answers enough questions. Pre
Registrations can be submitted now, or if you are unfamiliar with Land Speed Racing
, you can first order a Rulebook which has most of what info you need to
prepare to attend and run your vehicle.
We will soon also add a Aerial based map picture of the site to familiarize
everybody with the facility.
We will also add a News icon for regular updates on available
accommodations and dining facilities in the area.
Directions are also forthcoming .
In the meantime, have patience if we've forgotten anything or confused an
issue, we will straighten it all out very shortly.
We thank all of you that kept the faith waiting and watching our progress.
We again openly thank our Mentors at The ECTA for their ongoing help ,
this probably could not have been done without them. And if it's a failure,
blame them. LOL.
Bob W, LTA, Co Conspirator at Large
http://www.lta-lsr.com/