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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2008, 01:40:09 PM
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Mike Cook just moseyed past us (as we're sitting here under the awning enjoying the lunch that the Mormon Meteor folks have provided us worked) and reminded us about the event (like we'd forget).
Poteet/Main Speed Demon, Nish Family 'liner, Burkland family 'liner, Buckeye Bullet II (H2 fusion car), and the Mormon Missile (Duramax diesel-powered 'liner). Those are the cars.
Bike: Ack Attack, Sam Wheeler, and (dang, I forget his name) with the old Vesco 'liner powered by twin nitro Harley engines. That's gonna have a sweet sound, you betcha.
Anyway, we'll be here at the beginning of tomorrow morning and take photos and videos. Stay tuned, folks. I don't know if I can fulfill specific requests for information, but I'll try. Be in touch, hey?
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Looking forward to your posts.
Scott
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Okay, it's those cars -- and Leo Hess's bike with the twin Harley motors on pop. It's either the motors OR the body that's a Don Vesco work, Mike tells me. Photos of who was there this afternoon when we left the Salt:
First of all, here's your most special-ever landracing.com t-shirt -- signed by not only Andy Green, but by me and Nancy!
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1871.jpg)
Mike Cook of Cook Motorsports is the guy that has coordinated the top speed shootout, getting the FIA and USAC and all that stuff together. Here's Mike and Sumner, who will probably try to take credit for doing everything(?).
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1881.jpg)
The Nish streamliner is here, inside the trailer while they set up the pit ground cover and awning.
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1880.jpg)
The Mormon Missile diesel 'liner is hidden inside the trailer:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1884.jpg)
The Buckeye Bullet was out of the trailer, although it's pretty well hidden behind the rig. Nonetheless, we did see it on the Salt:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1882.jpg)
And I took and posted a photo of the Speed Demon (trailer) arriving yesterday, so here's George Poteet and Ron Main talking with a tall guy wearing sunglasses. We've got the proof that the Speed Demon's owners and driver are here:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1883.jpg)
Mike says we should be there first thing tomorrow morning to watch things get started. Since Burklands and all three bikes weren't there when we left -- I wouldn't expect all to be running at first light. But -- we'll see, and you'll see what we see.
Oh, yeah -- I need to thank Debbie Dross most personally and thankfully for grabbing the handles and trying to help my lame-o efforts to publish what's going on out here. I don't know how the survey is going on how to best display results), but between your ideas and her abilities and the stuff I gather -- we'll get it done. I wonder if there's a way for me to post links to forum topics -- put the links right on the front page so non-forum members can click and go directly to the stuff they wanna see. I think maybe not -- you've gotta be a registered forum member to do that, right?
Anyway, we're working on it. Now I'm going back to the Mormon Meteor topic and put up some more videos.
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I've just finished the photography stuff at Miller Motorsports Park: GrandAm finale yesterday and support races today. I'm headin west to Wendover.
RtR
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Does anyone know what the Mormon Missile ran Friday or Saturday since the results are not up yet?
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No, dang it. I know I saw it zooming past our pit as we were tearing stuff down yesterday -- but I don't remember if those were qualifying runs or record return runs. I'll try to find out. Sure didn't sound like a Duramax, though...
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No, dang it. I know I saw it zooming past our pit as we were tearing stuff down yesterday -- but I don't remember if those were qualifying runs or record return runs. I'll try to find out. Sure didn't sound like a Duramax, though...
Thanks :cheers:
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No, dang it. I know I saw it zooming past our pit as we were tearing stuff down yesterday -- but I don't remember if those were qualifying runs or record return runs. I'll try to find out. Sure didn't sound like a Duramax, though...
I wish I could have heard it during SW. :| If he didn't go past 250mph, the "twins" weren't awake yet. The sound gets "interesting" when you get up on charger with a V8 diesel. If they get the bugs worked out, that Dmax is going rock-n-roll.
Sidenote: Lynn Goodfellow helped us out of a bind during SW when he did some welding for us. Good people.
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The front of the landracing shirts are cool, but I really like the back. Do you have a picture to show everyone?
Scott
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Scott:
If you're talking about the shirt that Heather is holding up -- that IS the back. I'll take and post a photo of the front if that's what you mean. Thanks.
By the way, Heather is not only the girlfriend of Bo Burkdoll, but also the grand daughter of Mary West (the Save the Salt lady).
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Is ERC Fuels staying for this Event ?
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You know, I kind of wondered where the fuel is coming from for the top speed shootout. The ERC trailers are parked out by the truckstop/Salt Flats Cafe -- NOT on the salt. So extrapolating from that I have come to the conclusion that no, ERC isn't the fuel supplier. Nancy and I are going out to the event first thing tomorrow -- I'll see where the fuel is coming from. I already know that the Buckeye Bullet supplies it's own H2, and the Mormon Missile has a supply of diesel. I'll find out if everyone else brings his own.
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I've pulled up the comfy chair, got something on the BarB and the beer is in the fridge. I'm ready :-D
Thanks, Slim!
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You know, I kind of wondered where the fuel is coming from for the top speed shootout. The ERC trailers are parked out by the truckstop/Salt Flats Cafe -- NOT on the salt. So extrapolating from that I have come to the conclusion that no, ERC isn't the fuel supplier. Nancy and I are going out to the event first thing tomorrow -- I'll see where the fuel is coming from. I already know that the Buckeye Bullet supplies it's own H2, and the Mormon Missile has a supply of diesel. I'll find out if everyone else brings his own.
Jon ... Thank You ... I've been waiting on 2 t shirts from them ( that I forgot to buy ( 7 of 9 wasnt bad though ) )
If I dont get them soon I will hopefully have someone pick them up for me at the WF.
Enjoy the meet and keep us posted as you get time !
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neithor the frame or body on Leo Hess's motorcycle liner was made by Don Vesco.... the frame was made by Bob George and the body was made be me for Jack Dolan over 15 years ago when Jack obtained the easy riders molds from Bob...
kent
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Mike Cook has an arrangement with another fuel supplier for the meet. I believe it is mentioned in the Top 1 press release.
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I finally got a working wireless connection. Only took me 2 hours. Not bad. :-(
Where are people meeting and when Monday am?
I sorta feel like the comedian who said, "when I was a kid, my parents moved 42 times. But I kept finding them anyway."
RtR
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Kent. body be damned. Who built the frame for the chain Block hoist to lift Bob's 'liner?
That was a revolutionary engineering project as compared to the hoist for the dual engined bike.
And I wonder what enticed Campos to ever throw his leg over that bike. The sound of that clutch off the line
was sinister.
I just decided that the reason Dave rode it was because it was something that he didn't have to build.
FREUD
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Ray:
Go to the end of the road and leave the pavement with a turn hard right. Head towards the inside corner of the dike and the access road. It's just getting light now -- and the clouds are moving away. Forecast is for turning sunny and temps in the 70s.
Se you there.
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How does the salt look? Will they be running today? I hear Sam will not be running until tomorrow. Is the Ack Attack there?
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I don't know about you guys but I'm so stinkin excited for this event. I've already got my coffee in hand and I'm sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for reports. I just wish I could be there.
Good luck to all of the competitors, have a safe event and go real FAST!!! :-D
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It's LITTLE AFTER NINE AYEM OUT HERE -- AND HERE'S THE FIRST UPDATE OF THE DAY.
Ooops -- gotta remember, folks, that I'm typing on a laptop on my lap (where else) and my fingers don't like this angle. That's my excuse for any typos.
Back to reporting: Ack Attack drove in last night and is set up on the rack, body panels off. Leo Hess is here, body off the bike, and the crew is working away. That bike, Leo tells me, is a single (181") Harley running on about 85%, with a Don Vesco chassis and the body made from the molds that were later used by Dave Campos (I think that's what Leo said). And Sam Wheeler is due to arrive yet today - with either afresh engine or the one that was here at Bub's (I've heard both stories, but I suppose I should wait 'til he gets here and see what his version is).
Cars: Burkland, Nish, Bullet, Poteet/Main, and Goodfellow are all here. I had a talk with Lynn (Goddfellow) and he told me more about his Domex (metal) than I had ever thought I'd know, and about the fuel and water in the chassis rails, and the air-ride suspension, and so on. We haven't visited the other cars yet -- but will, sooner or later.
The temperature is about 60F, and the winds are west about 10-14 mph. The course is set up running a little bit west of north, with the end right near the highway. Rocky and Leo say there's almost 12 miles from end-to-end -- with the dike at the south and the crunchies/muck at the north.
Ray Buck (Ray the Rat) is taking photos for this site. They're "real" photos -- bigger files than I take with the little pocket one -- so we've still got to figure out a way to get them to you. We know there have been some issues with getting his photos to appear, so we're going to try to load them into this laptop and from here to landracing.com.
That's it for now. Nancy and I are going down to the south end of the course to take a few shots so you can see just how close the course is to the freeway, and then we'll do something else.
Stay tuned, folks -- cars and bikes are gonna go really fast this week!
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Jon, I'd be happy to put photos on my "fotki" sight - IF it ok w/ Ray.
email to davidadin@mercydurango.org -- I can't do hundreds of pics but would be happy to do dozens (its a one-by-one upload for me).
best regards and thanks!
david in durango
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I've just discovered yet another benefit of being out here with these fast bikes and cars: One of the teams is OSU, right? And guess whose wi-fi my laptop just discovered? Cool -- a few less wires hanging out of the laptop.
Nothing happening yet -- still waiting for the wind to die down. No Sam Wheeler yet, either. Sunn, the temp is all the way up to about 62, and the sunny has reclaimed dominance in the sky.
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Here are some photos to whet your appetite. The first few are of the Mormon Missile diesel streamliner. Interesting stuff -- air suspension, 25 gallons of coolant circulating in the rear part of the frame, Duramax diesel engine with sequential turbos (big Caterpillar one feeding smaller unit -- up to 100 # boost available).
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1890.jpg)
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This one I shot lengthwise -- but it sorta looks better viewed this way. If it doesn't look right to yo -- turn your computer monitor sideways or stand on the wall when viewing:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1892.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1893.jpg)
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Left to right: Rocky Robinson, Leo Hess, Nancy Wennerberg:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1895.jpg)
At the end of the pits -- and you can see how close we are to the freeway:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1896.jpg)
Rocky and Leo were comparing things they saw this morning when they drove down the course (this shot is from the south end). I heard things like "Gee, the lines for the course from SpeedWeek go off at an angle as we go down this course. Sure hope we don't get confused and try to follow them" and "Didn't it look like the cones narrowed a bit at that one point in the course -- like we've got to go through the narrow part of an hourglass?".
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1901.jpg)
Okay -- back to walking around out there. Ron Main just called Mike Cook on the radio and informed him they're going to load the car onto the transporter and move it into position in case the wind dies down again. I presume (my guess only here) that the racedrs will do as they've done before -- start at the north end so the "down" run ends up here in the pits (for quicker turnaround servicing), then make the return run ends up back up course.
I'll let you know more as the day goes on.
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THANKS FOR THE REPORTS!!!! Wish I were there! Glad you have a good wireless hookup out on the salt.
Last I heard Sam was running late rebuilding the old engine. I would expect him to arrive today.
Dick Lague
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Jon's covered most of the photos I'd have...but as soon as I find him, I have several on a thumb drive that I can hand him. But I'm gonna try attaching a photo directly here. Btw, I'm on the OSU wifi net. Very, very nice of them to provide that just for folks like me who wanna send stuff to the folks "back home." Props to OSU.
I'll start with one I shot just after dawn of the Nish liner.
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It's about 11.50 AM and Poteet/Main is headed to the end of the course to make the first run of the event. We're at the pit end - will take photos from here, then go to timing for some there.
An announcement just now - "winds are way down. We'll run as soon as we can".
Lunch is being served at the Top 1 pit -- looks like roast beast on the grill, with flames being doused by beer. The Burkland family just moseyed past on the way to the food - lots of #411 shirts over there in line. Now I see theNish crew has joined the line. Let's get our priorities straight here, folks -- we're here to EAT!
The workers and officials are rehearsing rules and duties on the CB now -- Another minute or two for Poteet/Main?
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The Speed Demon is under way -- the Top Speed Shootout of 2008 has begun!
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Chute's out, on course.
Entry speed -- 381. Exit speed 390. No mile or kilo speeds yet. In sight with the chute out.
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Entry: 381 Kilo: 386.289 Mile: 386.199 Exit: 390.560
The kilo and mile speeds are well in excess of the FIA records, so next there's a quick inspection and turnaround, then the return run in less than one hour.
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Wow, now that's a great start to the meet!!!
Any info. on what they are running in the Poteet & Main car?
P.S. Thank you very much for the fantastic updates :-D
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Okay -- that run started about 40 minues ago. The car is in the pits across the track from where I'm sitting, and here're a few photos of the turnaround work.
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1909.jpg)
Look closely at the smoke coming off the top:
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And Ed Shearer and others standing by with fire extinguishers, just in case:
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View from the other side:
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Aye, but here's a real problem:
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See the front tire?
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Look more closely:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1915.jpg)
Did you know that Dan Warner knows how to change a tire?
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1916.jpg)
I'll post and let you know if they get turned around in time. They've gotta get it going in about ten more minutes, maybe fifteen, to finish the run in time.
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Speed Demon back together, engine running, being pushed into position for the return run. 10 minutes left on the clock.
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Shut down at the six, smoke coming from the car, emergency crews chasing, chute is deployed. Fire crew at the six and a half.
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George still rolling, emergency crews trying to tell Poteet to stop so they can check out what's going on. No loud shouting on the radio -- I'd guess that's good news. Further when I hear it.
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While we're waiting with you, I see the Burkland car has been taken out of the trailer and is being moved around to in front of the trailer. No word yet on if anyone else is planning to run today.
Back to Speed Demon -- course workers are sweeping the course looking for parts -- which implies that some might have got loose from the car.
Nothing futhre on the car. I'll post this and start another with some other photos.
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Nothing yet on the Speed Demon, so I've spent a few minues uploading some photos from Ray Buck's camera. Follow this link to my photobucket site and se if you can view the photos. If so -- great. If not, let me know so we can try another way to post them.
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/
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great photos slim.
thanx mike.
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Jon, they came thru just fine, thanks and keep us posted.
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Been very silent......are you guys all having lunch at the Ack pits??
what is going on?
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oops my error.......refreshed, but did not go to page 3. I will shut up.
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I was talking with Mike Roland, the crew chief for the Kuryakyn bike that Leo Hess rides. Mike was giving me the lowdown on it, starting with a visit to the Salt last year for tech, a few tows to see if it handled, a low speed run here and licensing passes at World Finals last year -- then the weather went away.
And then this year, more of the same. So they're hoping to make a fast checkout run at this event -- and maybe that run will be fast enough to necessitate a quick turnaround and return run. The bike's all ready to run -- just pour in the fuel, strap in the rider, and go. Someplace in here I've got a photo of the ihnside of their trailer -- barrels of nitro and methanol.
Just heard the notice -- it's about 10 'til 2 and the Buckeye Bullet will be readying for a run in less than an hour. Safety workers are released to go get a bite of lunchor use the head.
Speed Demon is back in the pits for a photo opportunity. I'll take photos, you folks hang tough while we're gone. Back soon.
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While we're waiting with you, I see the Burkland car has been taken out of the trailer and is being moved around to in front of the trailer. No word yet on if anyone else is planning to run today.
Back to Speed Demon -- course workers are sweeping the course looking for parts -- which implies that some might have got loose from the car.
Nothing futher on the car. I'll post this and start another with some other photos.
The last I heard was that Poteet was out of the car giving interviews. I'd say that's a pretty good sign.
I believe I heard an av erage speed of 345 and change...but don't put any money on it yet.
I'll get to work on my photos of the turnaround...which was pretty frantic as Jon's photos show.
RtR
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Happy happy, joy, joy! It worked and the image isn't on my server. It's taking up some room on the landracing server, but not too much, I hope.
Here are another:
Ack Attack still on the trailer...and just as I was ready to send this, the OSU net went down....and apparently it's back up again.
More in other posts.
RtR
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Are these runs going for records for Car / Motorcycle regardless of Engine size, Fuel, Induction ? Or are they going for class records ?
Thanks for the info updates and pictures !
Those of us that couldnt make it really appreciate it !
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A little before 2.30. The Ack bike's engines are running on the stand in the pit. The burkland car is on the salt but not on the trailer, although I hear they do want to run today. The Buckeye Bullet hasn't moved from the pit yet. I just took the team photos for the Kuryakyn bike, which is on the salt but just waiting, as I said a little while ago. Speed Demon is being given a twice-over by everyone. Mormon Missile is under two awnings -- was out in the sun before. Sam Wheeler still isn't here.
The Top 1 Oil pit served beef tips barbecued, along with three-bean salad and fruit compote. Nancy's reading "The Quality of Mercy", by Faye Kellerman.
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FIA/FIM and USAC records are what's at stake here, Mr. DCarr511. These aren't SCTA/BNI/ECTA records -- and that's why there's a time factor in backing 'em up. The return run muyst be completed no more than one hour after the down run begins (that is, no more than sixty minutes may elapse from when the first clock is tripped -- 'til the last clock is tripped on the way back (which return run is in the opposite direction).
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is FIM one hour as well? I thought it was 120 minutes for FIM.
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is FIM one hour as well? I thought it was 120 minutes for FIM.
Dick,
You are correct it is two hours for a bike and one hour for a car..
Thanks for the updates Jon..
J
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Using Jon's method, I created a photobucket album of my own...here's the url for some of the photos I shot during the Poteet & Main Turnaround and return run launch:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/Poteet-Main_Turnaround/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/Poteet-Main_Turnaround/)
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FIA - 1 HOUR
FIM - 2 HOUR
Doesn't make any sense but that is what it is...
Not only that but they both have DRASTIC price differences for each - you would think a world record under fia or fim would be the same but they aren't... FIA is ALOT more expensive then FIM.... And the probably share the same office.
JonAmo -- I will be heading out to the salt this evening -- Leaving Denver at 8 or 9 PM and driving straight thru -- Still working out the details, like getting the wifes car to drive out in comfort and luxury - Or my pickup -- Those who have my cell number feel free to give me a call anytime - even if you get up for that 2 or 3 am pee....
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52 people are currently viewing this post! :cheers:
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More photos, and the latest scoop. First of all, some photos of the Speed Demon. Doesn't look pretty, but there's some good news.
Hre's the back part of the cover after the fire:
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But here're a couple of shots of Dan Warner measuring the motor. Yes, you can see lots of melted wiring and hoses and smoke damage -- but I guess the average is high enough to get hands dirty and certify the displacement.
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ALso - the Kuryakyn bike being moved around right in front of Nancy and me, so whynot take a photo?
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1917.jpg)
And back before the conflagration -- the Speed Demon leaving the line on the return run:
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Other stuff: The Nish car's motor just was fired up -- nice sounding little 800-inch putt-putt! Makes it obvious why the rocker covers say "Frankenstein". Also - - The Mormon Missile was idling over in their pit but hasn't moved. The Ack bike can't run for another hour or two, even if the wind dies down dead. It seems Rocky sent the fancy helmet, with communications and such, back to Ask Avionics for some check-out -- and when they packed the trailer for the tripout here the helmet didn't get included. Said hard hat is forecast to arrive by Mike A's plane very soon now. Buckeye Bullet is still going to run in a half-hour -- that's the word for the past two hours. But I won't say nasty things -- sure enough, Ray's right -- OSU's wi-fi is back in service.
Oh, yeah -- I didn't mention anything new about the Burkland 'liner. It's still sitting in front of their trailer, with the usual big crowd looking in awe.
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Are these runs going for records for Car / Motorcycle regardless of Engine size, Fuel, Induction ? Or are they going for class records ?
The answer is both. Everything is built to a class structure, and if that is faster than any one has ever gone with a piston car or motorcycle then it's an absolute world record as well.
Dave Campos held the motorcycle record with a pushrod class engine. That is still the record for S-PF (Streamliner, pushrod, fuel).
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It's about 3.30, and Mike Cook Jr. just stopped by to inform us that the Mormon Missle and Buckeye Bullet are now saying they'll make runs starting in about 45 minutes, and that Burkland will run at 5.30. Caveat Web Audience!
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More photos of the Poteet&Main fire damage. The first coupla shots are the car being towed off to be cleaned. The rest of 'em are of the damage.
According to the folks I spoke with, an EGT probe came out of a header tube. The hot exhaust gas melted an oil line and from there, all (or most of) the oil from the sump tank was sprayed into the engine compartment...and things sorta went downhill from there.
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/Poteet-Main_Fire_Carnage/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/Poteet-Main_Fire_Carnage/)
I just heard Mike Cook Jr. trying to get the Mormon Missile team ready for their run.
Stay tuned.
RtR
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Ray: I've got your thumb drive over here in my pickup -- where are you?
The Mormon Meteor just towed off towards the north end to make a run, and the course workers are being deployed. Good signs...
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Back to a post from the first page of this topic:
Scott, here's a photo of the million-dollar autographed landracing.com shirt -- partial frontal view.
We've got a couple of these signed shirts and will sell them for donations during the year and also at Salt Talks '09. And speaking of the unsigned shirts -- we got some in black with white lettering and some in white with black -- and we've sold more white shirts than black. If you want white you'd better email/PM me soon to get your order in - or you'll get a backorder note and have to wait 'til we reorder. The shirts are $15/ea plus an extra buck for 2XL, two bucks more for 3XL. Shipping is about four bucks/shirt unless you order a bunch -- it'll cost a bit less per shirt that way. Mostly the XL size is still available in white. Get in touch with us to ask about what sizes we've got.
We've also got some Salt Talks '08 shirts to sell -- please buy someso we can close the books on this year's picnic.
Finally -- the Mormon Missile driver is in the car and getting belted in, so he oughta run any minute. I'll be here at the far end for his arrival, then go to the tower to watch him make his (hoped-for) return run.
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Mormon Missle at the 4 mile and on course, moving along. Entry speed 234, kilo 227.570, mile 227.529, exit 227.717. Chute's out, and coming into the pits now.
I don't know if that speed is a record qualifier -- but I do know that he ran a 269 the other day at WoS.
Here's a strange one -- I haven't clarified it yet. I hear the course workers telling Lynn Goodfellow, the owner, that the kilo speed is well over the record and therefore if they can turn the car around it's welcome to make a return run. Just now someone restated that -- we'll see what happens. Right now the car has stopped dead about one mile from the pits and is being fetched for service and the decision on whether to run in the other direction.
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Just a comment or 2 and some questions...
Excellent jobs!! Kudos to our great reporters/photographers. Better watch out or channels 2, 4, 5, & 13 may be knocking on your doors either to hire you or buy you off, since you're making them look like the amatuer hour that they really are. [:-D]
Does the crew have parts req'd to do what repairs are needed?
If not, can they be flown in?
That head is really ugly and I'm hoping it looks worse than it is.
"She who must be obeyed" says I might as well plan on a day trip for Wed, since nothing is getting done during daylight hours, but one big nose glued to the screen.
Is this event really open to anyone who turns up?
We were told that insurance regs prevented anybody but competitors and crew; but it would seen that if you sign your life away with the proper releases; most anybody with a modicum of common sense should be allowed.
Regards,
Jim
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Jim, I used to be a real radio announcer, but it was a combination of the great pay, the easy working hours, and the adulation of the public that got me to quit and go into porta-potty duty. Don't worry -- and anyway, I don't watch TV so don't know when they've got job openings.
There's no question that you'd be allowed to come out here for the event. No admission charge, either (unless Linda, the ladyyou'll recognize at Land's End) tries to get you topay up), and while I saw a pad of pages for attendees to sign and some arm bands -- I haven't seen many folks doing either signing or wearing. Come on out and we'll sign your note saying you are on an excused absence.
Run information:
Mormon Missile won't return today -- broke a timing belt and it's not repairable in the time allowed.
Buckeye Bullet is questionable as to whether it'll run today.
Burkland is (supposedly) putting the rig into position to tow to the start line for a run in the next half hour.
Further deponent sayeth not.
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Burkland just left the pits -- should be ready to run in 15 minutes or so. Ack bike might run after that.
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I heard this event wasn't open to the public. Is this true can I come out and watch or will I be denied? I wouldnt think they could keep me from coming out on the salt.
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Yes, come on out. No restrictions on who comes out here. I'll even go so far as to ask for positively absolutely sure when we leave tonight, okay?
Tom Burkland is in the car now and preparing to run,
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Because the oil line broke on the Demon did it loose OP and destroy the motor or is the fire damage mostly cosmetic?
Hope #411 does it…..wonder if anyone is going to have some vids?
BTW:
The suspense is killing me….*I should be grouting my newly tiled bathroom floor!
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Awesome! Thank you
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I'm falling of of the edge of my seat in anticipation!!! :-D GO #411
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I think the damage is pretty serious -- I don't know if they'll be able fix overnight. Lots ofhoses and wires needed.
As for videos -- we're planning on staying here in the pits for the down run of the 411, and then head to the tower for the (hoped for) return run. I don't have a tripod for the camera - will try reall hard to keep the camera steady. That's some video I'd like to have for my personal collection.
PS: John Levie is standing here giving me shade while I type. He wants to see his name on the internet when he gets home (to Elko) tonight.
There -- see, I told you I'd use your name.
Burkland run is still in the future - but not too far in the future.
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I hope Tom does it! They are the nicest people I have ever come across in racing.
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Okay -- the Burkland push truck (for the return run) is back here at the pits, and the word has been sent to the car that all is ready. Pretty quick now the car will start today's run (the third run of the day). In case you haven't sen the earlier posts, the Speed Demon went 386.289 kilo, 386.199 mile on the qualifying run, then hurt the car when an oil line broke and started a fire on the return run. The car went through the lights fast enough to qualify for the record, though. I don't have the final numbers on that.
The Mormon Missile went 227++ on the down run and broke a timing belt - no return run today.
Motors are started on the #411 car. Canopy is down. It's 5.51PM MDT. Car is moving.
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Entry speed - 267. 260 kilo, 260 mile, 253 exit, slowing down.
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Four miles from the pits -- slowing, brake doors are open.
Looking okay at the two.
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...Mormon Missile won't return today -- broke a timing belt and it's not repairable in the time allowed.
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Pure internet gossip:
The 227mph speed sounds like what broke is the aux injection pump belt. Running off a single injection pump would line up that speed.
And Duramaxes don't have timing belts, it's a geared cam, injection pump, and waterpump assy. :-D
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Hey McRat!
You set one dang record and all we hear is Duramax this, Duramax that.
Are we going to have to ban Duramaxes??? :-D
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"Pure internet gossip:"
No, not internet gossip -- I heard it from one of the fellows that walked over to my truck after watching thejm thrash on the Missile. Maybe incorrect -- but it originated right here, not elsewhere on the internet.
Okay -back to true scoop that I see with my eyes.
Burkland is not goig to run again today. They are doing a practice turnaround, though -- spun the car around on the special dolly/frame, checking things twice, spraying fluids here, draining them there. Tom is out of the car and helping with the turnaround. Chutes were not deployed in the run -- just the air brake doors. I got a few photos, and Ray is out there clicking away. We'll have more tonight and tomorrow.
I guess there won't be any more runs tonight -- iot's past 6, and sunset is in about 75 minutes -- not enough time to tow to the far end, run, turn around and run again, then find the way backhere without searchlights.
Tomorrow oughta be fun, folks!
By the way - now that things have slowed down---I've been making short posts and then sending them to the site -- rather than long ones. So -- click your refresh buttons frequently so you see the latest information. Thanks for tuning in today.
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Jon and Ray
Freakin' awesome job your doing, and judging from all the folks on this thread all day it is apreciated by many. Keep it up and thank you.
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I think the damage is pretty serious -- I don't know if they'll be able fix overnight. Lots ofhoses and wires needed.
As for videos -- we're planning on staying here in the pits for the down run of the 411, and then head to the tower for the (hoped for) return run. I don't have a tripod for the camera - will try reall hard to keep the camera steady. That's some video I'd like to have for my personal collection.
PS: John Levie is standing here giving me shade while I type. He wants to see his name on the internet when he gets home (to Elko) tonight.
There -- see, I told you I'd use your name.
Burkland run is still in the future - but not too far in the future.
I just talked to one of the Poteet/Main crew. He wasn't real enthusiastic about the job in front of 'em. He says they have a list of items they need (like miles of wire to rebuild the harnesses) and they're gonna try, but...well, I guess it's up to how the racing gods are feeling. I got a couple more shots of the car after they washed it down...they're attached.
RtR
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Ditto to that. The only problem is I cant keep from checking my 'puter every 15 min.
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Jon and Ray
Freakin' awesome job your doing, and judging from all the folks on this thread all day it is apreciated by many. Keep it up and thank you.
Thanks, man. I'm havin more fun than any one old man otta be allowed to have...especially in Utah. :)
RtR
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"Pure internet gossip:"
No, not internet gossip -- I heard it from one of the fellows that walked over to my truck after watching thejm thrash on the Missile. Maybe incorrect -- but it originated right here, not elsewhere on the internet.
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No, what I posted is purely gossip. Just thinking out loud publically. I haven't a clue what let loose, all I know is Dmax stuff.
I GREATLY appreciate your reporting, keep up the good work! You are scooping the diesel sites.
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I took photos of the bad fuel pump belt, but will post those later. Lynn Goodfellow said it was the fuel pump belt that went away, either because the bolt holding the plate on which an idler for that belt went loose and let the belt get cockeyed -- or because the driver lifted a bit for another reason, then got back in the throttle and -- during that little intermission -- the high pressure in the pump "deadheading" at 33k psi pushed back and hurt the belt.
So: Fuel pump belt went bad. Repairs are under way, nothing big, they'll plan to run tomorrow morning. The driver/data says they were close to 300 when the driver pedalled it.
Here are photos of the suspect idler and the front of the motor, but you can't see very well -- the light sensor ignored the flash thingie and looked instead at the bright metal. Sorry -- but there is a bad-looking belt in there.
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1931-1.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1933-1.jpg)
New News: Mike Cook just came over here. They're planning to open the pits tomorrow morning at 5 ("Mike, it's frickin' dark at 5!", I said. He said "We're here to race!"), and at 7.30 all the vehicles that are ready to run will parade down to the north end and get in line to run (sorta like record return runs, hey?).
Nish, Burkland, Hess and Ack if the winds are mellow, Buckeye Bullet says they've found the electronic gremlin that's bedeviled them today so they'll run, Goodfellow says he'll run if the minor repairs are done, and Cook says he's been asked by George Poteet to go over and give the Speed Demon crew a pep talk to get them going to get that car resurrected and ready to run. No word yet on Sam Wheeler's promised appearance.
That's it for now.
No it isn't -- here's a cool shot of the tracks the Speed Demon left when leaving the line on the ill-fated return road (gotta look at the salt kinda carefully, but they're there):
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1930.jpg)
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"Pure internet gossip:"
No, not internet gossip -- I heard it from one of the fellows that walked over to my truck after watching thejm thrash on the Missile. Maybe incorrect -- but it originated right here, not elsewhere on the internet.
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No, what I posted is purely gossip. Just thinking out loud publically. I haven't a clue what let loose, all I know is Dmax stuff.
I heard this from the Missile guys. The problem (please forgive if this is duplicated info) was an injector pump belt..a belt of some sort in that area anyway tht br0oke and they were trying to get to it to examine it. They were talking about decreasing the pump's duty cycle to decrease the load on the belt if I under stood 'em correctly...and all I know about diesels is what I learned from McRat at SW. :)
They also have non-diesel problems. The front end has bearing or spindle problems cuz the wheels were floppin around pretty bad when they shook 'em. They were taking things apart when I left. I've got some photos of their aftermath that I'll post on photobucket after I get back to the motel.
RtR
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I just talked with Ron Main. He says the fire damage is pretty hefty.... They have a very hard day or two ahead of them... And whatever they need they will air freight in or goto Salt Lake City and have done ... Cables etc etc..
They will be putting a NA motor in and wiring for that; I wouldnt expect huge speeds out of the car the rest of the meet.
I would like to say however, that this is a team that is there to race. Alot of teams in the recent, something like this would end their week of racing and go home and come back next year. This crew of Poteet/Main is a DEDICATED bunch of guys. I don't know if you ever clean and started working on burnt crap, but it stinks, and it sticks on you like that nasty diesel fuel and oil and 80/90... Cudos goes out to this group..
I am about 1 hour from my departure from Denver to the salt...
JonAmo
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Hey McRat!
You set one dang record and all we hear is Duramax this, Duramax that.
Are we going to have to ban Duramaxes??? :-D
Remember, this is the "Year of the Diesel".
You will have to wait til Jan 1 to tell me to shut the heck up. :-D
Go Team Goodfellow!! :cheers:
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THANKS SLIM :-D
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FIVE AM? Like 0500 hours??? Oh, man! It's gonna be a short nite...and all I'm gonna do is edit some photos, put 'em on the web and eat some pizza.
Oh, man...that's brutally early.
RtR
(but I'll be there...at least when there's enough light for a photo)
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Ray and Slim (with Nancy probably guiding the whole operation):
You guys are doing an awsome job!!!
Pete
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Great job Slim and Nancy and all you photo folks. I think these "overnight repairs" go on more than most know.
In 2000 we bent 11 of 12 valves in Joe Fontanas 12 port Skinner head. Joe called to his shop in Gardena and told Rick exactly what they were. He made them, boxed them and called which flight they were on to SLC. My son a and one of the crew, Walter Smith, headed over to SLC to get them. They arrived back in Wendover at 11:30 pm and Walter spent the rest of the night on the motel sink reworking and assembling the head why we were all sleeping. At 7:00 am we went to Walters room to see how he was doing. He was done waiting in the clothes ready to go. Walter was 81 years old. We went out to the salt assembled the engine, richend it up and bumped up the record 10mph. The whole time Walter was fresh as he had slept 10 hours.
I know of dozens of these stories. I'm sure Ron's crew will get everything they can done. As an electrician the worst thing that can happen is having wires burn up. Gremlins live in wiring and I know Ron has a ton electronics. I hop they get it done and run again.
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thanks to everyone for the updates and pics.
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Does anyone have a "refresh button" I can borrow? I think I wore mine out today! Thanks for all of the updates guys and girls, can't wait for tomorrow :-D
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There is no admission fee to attend this meet, and everyone is welcome to attend. Go to the end of the road and you'll be told that you can go either hard right, and therefore to the pits, or off toward the left and towards the timing tower, which is at the "spectator" area.
So said Linda at Land's End when we were on the way out tonight.
And thanks, Sumner -- for buying supper for us. The burgers at Mildred's are good, just like always. (There -- that'll make up for him grabbing the check from me).
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There is no admission fee to attend this meet, and everyone is welcome to attend.
Man, we have been attending! Keep up the commentary!
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SSS & RtR= VERY great DUO---thanks for the posts and up dates---
McRat
IF one has two Pumps and 1 hole to put one in-- the second is most likely mounted like a Hilborn!!!!!!!!!!!
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SSS & RtR= VERY great DUO---thanks for the posts and up dates---
McRat
IF one has two Pumps and 1 hole to put one in-- the second is most likely mounted like a Hilborn!!!!!!!!!!!
Their pumps are mounted in a proprietary fashion from Diesel Performance Research? (Curtis Halverton's shop). Duramaxes use a Bosch CP3.3 injection pump that is capable of over 29,000 psi of pressure. The chamber pressure on a shotgun is about 20,000 psi if I remember correctly. The factory pump is in the "valley" in the front of the engine. I run a second pump that is belt driven where the optional second alternator would be, which is a more conventional setup. Pulley alignment is critical. If I lose a belt, I drop 1/3rd of my HP instantly. I believe Curtis's setup runs 3 pumps.
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Remember, this is the "Year of the Diesel".
Hmm . . . Year of the Diesel.
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/dean4/_images/DuramaxRocket.JPG)
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Remember, this is the "Year of the Diesel".
Hmm . . . Year of the Diesel.
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/dean4/_images/DuramaxRocket.JPG)
(http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif)(http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
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Hmmm... seems the front is getting a bit light. Too much ballast in the rear?
:cheers:
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Some photobucket folders:
The turnaround thrash that the P/M crew did:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/Poteet-Main_Turnaround/
The damage from the fire in the P/M liner:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/Poteet-Main_Fire_Carnage/
The Morman Missile after the aborted run:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/mormon_missle_after_run_1/
The Burkland liner after the aborted run:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/burkland_after_1_abort/
More tomorrow.
RtR
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SSS & RtR= VERY great DUO---thanks for the posts and up dates---
McRat
IF one has two Pumps and 1 hole to put one in-- the second is most likely mounted like a Hilborn!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, Sparky. I dunno if ya got to see the shots I got of you wearing your permanent smile...I mean blue hat and 300 mph club t-shirt. If ya didn't see 'em well, I can send em' to ya later,
G'nite
RtR
Quick edit: I've been up and working on some photo stuff for a couple of hours (it's 7 am, Tuesday now) I'm out the door (almost) on my way to the salt.
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wonder whats going on out there??? I know Ack and crew were up at 5 am for breakfast and on the salt at 6 am. Nish planned on running first thing this morning and he is always out before sunup running his engine transfer pump to warm up the fluids... If winds were good Ack was going to run after Nish ran...... So I know there is some activity going on.... And as you can see by my post, I did not make the trip I got on the road and had to turn back last night...
Now Im just a refresh button guy..
JonAmo
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Boy O Boy, is this getting exciting?! I sure things would have worked out at the Bub Meet, as I fully intended to be part of this group that are going all out. Unfortunately during our last run the blower drive shaft broke at 5500 rpm on Lambkys Liner/Black Lightning. Earlier in the week of the Bub Meet our blower belt broke at 5500 rpm. The blower shop in California that did all the anodysing and rebuild of the blower to update it from a street to a competition unit estimated that it would take 100 hp to run the Roots at 6500 engine rpm. The blower is overdriven 1.6 to 1. The blower belt used has a hp rating of 60. As blower belts usually have a 50% fudge factor as to what they can actually transmit, I felt safe. Evidently this isn't the case. By the fact that the blower drive is giving up at 5500, I figured that the blower is taking more like 150 hp to run. The entire drive has to be redesigned, new pulleys manufactured, a wider drive belt, and a larger blower pulley shaft made. This couldn't be manufactured or done right in the short length of time between the Bub Meet and the Shootout, so this, my LSR friends, is why the Vincent streamliner isn't there.
Wish it weren't so.
Max
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It's 7.20 Tuesday morning: Nish car runs a couple of miles and shuts down. First run of the day ends with a shutoff. That's racing. folks.
Good Morning!
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Thank's to all who are reporting and informing us "refresh button racers". Those racing are an inspration to everyone who has the dream. Go fast and be safe.
Max, keep going, we are all in your corner. One day it will all come together and lightning will strike!
PegLegCraig
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Jon,
Can you find out what the sequence of events were for Burkland. I heard they were running way to rich and Tom Shut it down. Can you confirm this? and what are they doing to fix it.
Did the "Little Green Machine" make it out to the salt this morning?
Is Ack Prepping for a run this early am or are they waiting?
Is the wind blowing that would prevent Ack from running?
JonAmo
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Jon:
First of all, I don't know the precise reason that Burkland shut down early, save that indeed, the motors didn't sound happy so he shut off toprevent a wasted run and perhaps engine damage. I'm on theother side of the course/pits from them now -- and the Ack bike is about to leave the line, so I can't go ask.
We haven't seen Sam's bike yet -- still waiting for an appearance.
Ack bike is being buttoned up right now -- will launch in a minute of two per the timing stand.
Winds are 0 to 4 mph right now (on the various parts of the course) -- Ack bike will run in a minnit.
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Yeah! {refresh}
Amo why did you abort? {refresh}
{refresh}
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:-D
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Timing stand announces: After Ack bike runs -- any second now -- they'll get to the pits and the Kuryakyn bike will then run -- two down runs in a row, then a pair of two-hour turn arounds running simultaneously, then two return runs in a row.
Exciting racing!
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Ack bike is moving. The run beings at 8.50AM. Temp is about 55 F.
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Ack bike: Entry speed is 336.872 entry, kilo 325.492, mile 325.105, exit 312.954.
Slowing down, chute out
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Ack bike is back in the pits. The record they were chasing was about 350, and there's some smoke coming from the top/tail section of the bike. I can't run over there to see the story -- Leo Hess and bike are about to leave the line, so we have tostay out of the course -- even here, almost 12 miles away.
Let's see - twelve miles 0 - 330 - 0 in five or six minutes... Yeah, I'll stay out of the way.
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Hess bike will start about a mile or two down course from the 12 (zero, read from the other end) and will aim for about a 250 mph run. Engines running right now -- hasn't left the line yet.
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While we're waiting, here's the USFRA safety net. It's set up about 20 degrees right of the one mile (down at the pit end of the course), and is there in case a car/bike has slowing issues. Aim for it, hit it -- and the chites that are in the PVC tubes on either side of the net will be deployed when the vehicle snags the net, slowing things down in a hurry. Or so goes the theory.
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1934.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1935.jpg)
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Holy cow ! This is exciting , like play by play ! you guys dont have to worry about getting upstaged by the major networks in SLC, those clowns dont know anything but "stick and ball"
Great work Slim !! and Ray !! you guys rule ! Stormy here in SLC , hope the weather holds up for you guys !!!
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Ray the Rat says Nish has swallowed a valve. Heavy thinking going on in the Nish pit.
Rocky got hit by a gust of wind, leaned the bike to miss the lights/sign and therefore shut down, but things are okay. Smoke I mentioned (from the bike) was off the header-- nothing big deal.
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9.17AM Hess is under way.
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Hess vehicle is running but not moving down the course. Whoops, moving again after all!
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For those that don't know Leo Hess held the record at El Mirage for many years at 218 mph. Took a long time to break it. :cheers:
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Moving again, let go of the tow rope, at the 8 1/2. Through the eight.
On course through the seven, shut off, coasting. 175.260 entry, back under power. kilo 180.594, mile 179.408, exit 179.786.
Engine off and coasting down to the pit.
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Thanks Jon, who's next???
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That's it for now, folks. Go to the bathroom, go fill your coffee cups, do some work so that boss doesn't think you goofed off all day.
No vehicles in line to run now, and the push truck for Hess has just arrived at the bike to retrieve him.
Course security has opened the course for now. I'll be back after I do some snooping around.
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I remember the nets from earlier events. The first time I saw them used was when I think it was Carl Heap in the Phoenix swallowed a valve and had an engine fire and he used them successfully. BTW the valve piece was HUGE!
Jim
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C'mon, guys... knock off the play by play updates. I gotta get some work done!
No WAIT. What did that OLD salt racer tell me once... "NEVER let work get in the way of your hobbies."
Yeah, that was it. Okay, I stand corrected.
DISREGARD this posting.
And keep the cool reports coming.
Wuhdya say folks? Should we see about getting SSS the John Maddin award? Here's one vote X
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Say it isn't so about the Nish liner swallowing a valve. :cry:
This was the 800incher correct? Is this the same motor they had problems with last year, just built bigger? Or do they have last years motor ready to go at the shop? Just talking out load, wondering if they have any options to keep running if they did indeed break the motor that is in the car now!
Keeping my fingers crossed they can keep running this week :-)
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Wowie Zowie---ain't this Bitchin!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great job you 2 soon to be 3---lets see Big Jon---little jon and RtR
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1st year with the Nish "Big" motor at private meet they made some runs and aborted the motor for that meet due to "LOW" oil pressure. Crew took liner back to SLC and put the smaller motor in and ran in the 380 mph range.
2nd year at private meet with that big motor, put a rod out the bottom of the motor and thru the body on first pass.
3rd year, this year, they swallow a valve, gulp..... Alot of cubic dollars there...
JonAmo
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Wowie Zowie---ain't this Bitchin!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great job you 2 soon to be 3---lets see Big Jon---little jon and RtR
Sparky,
I aborted the trip about 30 miles out last night... So im stuck back in Denver... Hitting the refresh button...
JonAmo
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Wowie Zowie---ain't this Bitchin!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great job you 2 soon to be 3---lets see Big Jon---little jon and RtR
Sparky,
I aborted the trip about 30 miles out last night... So im stuck back in Denver... Hitting the refresh button...
JonAmo
Let me make this clear for the folks at home..
Jon Amo meant to write..I was safely 30 miles from home before Kelani realised I had taken her new Chrysler 300 to go to the salt, she then said no... :-D so I was forced to return home.... :oops:
Jon A,
Hope it was nothing serious and send me your payment request..
J
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Jon thanks for turing around!!!!!!! I didn't have your cell phone number---but I thought and worried about you trying to drive straight through----thanks for making the smart choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!---I no longer drive from Phoenix to the Salt straight through during the day unless I have a co driver and we get to start early!!!!!
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Say it isn't so about the Nish liner swallowing a valve. :cry:
This was the 800incher correct? Is this the same motor they had problems with last year, just built bigger? Or do they have last years motor ready to go at the shop? Just talking out load, wondering if they have any options to keep running if they did indeed break the motor that is in the car now!
Keeping my fingers crossed they can keep running this week :-)
I could say that it wasn't so, but this photo kinda tells the story. It ain't pretty. When I talked with Mike Nish this morning, he said "it's real hurt."
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Say it isn't so about the Nish liner swallowing a valve. :cry:
This was the 800incher correct? Is this the same motor they had problems with last year, just built bigger? Or do they have last years motor ready to go at the shop? Just talking out load, wondering if they have any options to keep running if they did indeed break the motor that is in the car now!
Keeping my fingers crossed they can keep running this week :-)
I could say that it wasn't so, but this photo kinda tells the story. It ain't pretty. When I talked with Mike Nish this morning, he said "it's real hurt."
Man that's a heart breaker!!! :cry:
Let's hope they have something sitting in the shop back in SLC so they can come back out and play.
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C'mon, guys... knock off the play by play updates. I gotta get some work done!
No WAIT. What did that OLD salt racer tell me once... "NEVER let work get in the way of your hobbies."
Yeah, that was it. Okay, I stand corrected.
DISREGARD this posting.
And keep the cool reports coming.
Wuhdya say folks? Should we see about getting SSS the John Maddin award? Here's one vote X
I agree. SSS deserves the award. This is a great thread. I feel like I'm on the salt after all. How bout we all dig into our pockets and send some moola to Landracing.com? I'll be getting a check off. Where do I send it?
Max
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How about a Paypal account, I'd chip in for sure. Thanks Jon, great stuff. -Dean
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9:35 AM PDT and there are 66 people signed on.
WOW
Don't any of us work anymore?
Seems that the advertising rates just skyrocketed.
Thanks Deb and Jon and Jon Amo also.
Amo's vision is certainly blossoming.
There was a PayPal account set up in the past. It's probably still there.
FREUD
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Okay, okay -- you folks are giving me a swelled head. Nancy thanks you. First -- the Paypal button on thelower left corner of the home page does connect to my account, so use it at your pleasure. Second, I wish to heck Jon Amo had made it out here -- he has another way for me to put these updates on the site -- that'd make it easier for you folks to see without having to be in the forum. And the Forum location also makes it difficult for the non-forum members to see the new stuff -- so Jon, send me a note or give me a call and maybe I can learn how during these down times.
Back to the Private Meet:
The Ack bike is going to run, from the pit end of the course (near the freeqay, towards the mountain), in about a half hour.
Sam Wheeler is here after all -- I just didn't see his and crew and pit when we first arrived. I've heard the motor running over there, so they're working on it.
The Ack bike's motor(s) running right now.
Mormon Missile is working -- at least an hour or more 'til next attempt.
Weather right now is mostly cloudly but bright, wind is zero, 25.97" SP, DA 4,700 feet, temp is 62.
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I created a new topic to track the unofficial speeds for this meet as reported in this thread. It's been stickied to stay at the top of the Bonneville General Chat board and it's locked so only the admins/mods can update it. I'm trying something new with this. If you have any new info feel free to post it here & I'll try to keep that post clean & up to date.
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4735.msg63843.html#msg63843
Debbie
PS: Re above SSS post, yes a lot of this can/should be reported on the main page but we should come up with a system to keep it clean and simple so for now I'm going this route so the main LR.COM page doesn't look junkie. We can be a little more informal in here! I have some ideas & have been doing a little research but nicely formatted things take time!
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does it look like Sam or Mike will run soon?
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Mike's bike, Rocky riding, is setting up to run in less than a half-hour --the course stewards are going to poisiton, the radio is buzzing, I"ll keep in touch.
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(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4720.0;attach=6637;image)
I talked with Mike Nish this morning, he said "it's real hurt."
Ah come on, just put the stick thingy under the roller thingy and fire it! :-o
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Say it isn't so about the Nish liner swallowing a valve. :cry:
This was the 800incher correct? Is this the same motor they had problems with last year, just built bigger? Or do they have last years motor ready to go at the shop? Just talking out load, wondering if they have any options to keep running if they did indeed break the motor that is in the car now!
Keeping my fingers crossed they can keep running this week :-)
I could say that it wasn't so, but this photo kinda tells the story. It ain't pretty. When I talked with Mike Nish this morning, he said "it's real hurt."
Man that's a heart breaker!!! :cry:
Let's hope they have something sitting in the shop back in SLC so they can come back out and play.
Very quick update, since I didn't have the camera. The cylinder head is off, one exhaust valve head is AWOL, but the head looks ok to me...in a quick glance. They were peering down into the cylinder as I left. There may be a coroner's verdict soon. Let's hope they can replace the valve and run...but I wouldn't count on it. Btw, no one has said anything (that I heard) about a spare motor. I would have thought that they'd be doing a swap if they had one available. Wait and see on that one.
Ron Main has guys workin their tails off to get the Demon back in running order. The plan right now is to make more runs as soon as it's repaired...but it's a huge job. The motor is out of it and on a hoist and they're thrashing on body skins, bulkheads, etc. Parts are on the way or will be very soon. Wish 'em luck.
RtR
RtR
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:-D Hmmmm. I see that there's 25 guests viewing this thread.
Hi Denis.
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11.12AM
Ack bike, in the hauler, is being pulled by Mike's pickup to the far end of the course (zero marker, right by the highway).
110VAC power supply for this laptop is plugged in and recahrging the battery.
Nancy just had a swig of red Powerade.
We've graduated to "big time' --= have one of the FM radios in the truck with us.
Course stewards are in place.
Land's End is "locked down" so no one can enter the salt flats right now.
CB is telling us to stay off to the sides of the course, so I've just backed up 50 feet.
I was brought a tripod this morning, so wil try to get some video (or at least non-blurry still pics) as the bike goes past.
End of report. No, not the end -- I'm hoping to learn how to post these updates on the front page so you don't have to be going through the forum all the time. Soon, folks, soooooon.
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I just spoke with Sam by cell phone. He is fiddling with some minor engine thing and is itching to run while the wind is down. He has our IGNTION3/nNovia solid state on-board video camera setup [shameless plug] and we are hoping for some good footage......hopefully even better than we had in WORLD'S FASTEST MOTORCYCLE show. Mike Akatiff has the same setup and he has some great footage from BUB.
Does anyone have an e-mail setup out there and a printer? I have a checklist to send to Sam that he never got in the thrash on Sunday night to get up there.
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So now it should be 15 minutes or so.... We all know streamliner guys however, add another 1/2 hour onto that.... and if your name is Skip Hedrick add another 1 hour or more when he is next to go.... (story there)
JonAmo
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Dick, have SSS contact the OU team. They probably have a printer.
Slim, can u arrange that?
FREUD
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Latest, as usual --- and Jon is right. It's going to be 15 minutes 'til Rocky leaves -- 15 minutes for the last half hour. Rocky is dressed and getting in the bike. The helicopter pilot has been asked to stay farther up and off-course from the bike -- the thinking is that maybe it was wash from his rotor that made Rocky feel a gust of breeze during the previous run.
Wind is still zero at the four mile. Also zero at the nine mile. Also zero at the tower.
AMA and FIM folks are at the 12 mile (far end of the track). All's ready. Engines not running in the bike, though.
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Freud:
Good minds work in the same gutter (or something). I just thought of that. I'll head their way as soon as I know if Rocky's leaving in the next two minutes.
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A few clams on the way, thanks again Jon & Nancy. Hopefully see you at Maxton this weekend if you are as crazy as I think you are. -Dean
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As we wait -- Rocky's in the bike, and the officials are chasing a couple of stray tourists that are close to the track at the four mile.
They're packing the Mormon Missile with ice (intercooler) right next to us in the pits, and that implies they'll make a run pretty soon.
Ack bike has requested and been given "clear course". Engines starting. Winds are still zero.
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Ack bike is under way. I got some video -- no tripod, though. Still working on it.
Anyway, Ack Attack bike:
Entry speed: Not there. Slowing at the four mile.
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I can just see everybodies mouth open staring at the damn screen, hitting the refresh button not only to find no new post... Keep hitting it the refresh button..
JonAmo
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Still slowing through the timed mile. Mormon Missile has left the pits to make a run -- coming from the far end.
Everyone told to stay in position so the Mormon Missile can go quickly, Ack Attack bike is stopped and safety crew is on site just in case.
Missile will be escorted to far end. Ack bike will be accompanied by the full crew in case it's a minor issue and they can make a run from the far end.
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80 people are signed on.
Easily entertained, aren't we?
FREUD
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I can just see everybodies mouth open staring at the necklace screen, hitting the refresh button not only to find no new post... Keep hitting it the refresh button..
JonAmo
Hey, Jon,
give Jon the time to hit the letters in the "Apple".....
By the way, Jon (SSS), now I know what I forgot the whole WoS meet - can you keep me a white landracing Tee in size XL for the World Final...I will pick it up than, thanks in advance.
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Actually Freud, this sort of "entertainment" is VERY difficult to obtain.
J
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While I'm waiting, send the email with the information for Sam Wheeler, to:
willard.19@osu.edu
That's one of the guys here on the Salt, and once you confirm that the email has been sent I'll have to walk over to their pit, tell him to check his mail, and then, once he finds it, he'll print it and I can walk it over to Sam's pit.
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Follow this to the video I just shot of the Ack bike leaving. No, I haven't even seen it -- so if the quality isn't there, ooops, sorry.
The tripod won't let me swivel -- I still am handholding.
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/?action=view¤t=100_1939.flv
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quality fine Thank You
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SSS,
Great job!!
I saw the video and need someone to explain the lead vehicles that change into chase vehicles very quickly. Who is in the support vehicles and why three? One is the push truck. The others?
Geo
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Typically what has happened at the Private meet, is mike cook is in one vehicle, he is at the start then follows the vehicle down the course, then you have the push truck being driven by Mike Ack, then maybe one support vehicle to turn the bike around with equipment.
JonAmo
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SSS,
e-mail video checklist for Sam has been sent to Willard at OSU. Thanks for your help. Dick Lague
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Geo, its because Mike Cook is all about safety, three eyes are better than one.
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Very good, Jon -- about what I was gonna say. Mike Cook Jr. is usually in the little white minipickup chasing.
Mormon Missile is ready to leave -- engine is running, driver in car, canopy closed. Course stewards all confirm course is clear. Winds still absent without leave.
Mike Junior will follow the Missile, Mike Cook will return to start to work with Ack folks getting ready for their run.
Mormon Missile under way, started at the 10 1/2. Stopped already.
Some body panels have been removed, but I hear they're putting things back on and are about to run again soon.
Dick:
As soon as this run is over I'll go to OSU, get it printed, and walk over to Sam's pit. You're Welcome.
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Thanks for the updates. I hope they get it figured out :-(
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Hi,
if there any information on why Speed Demon's front tire failed? Did they hit anything, and what speed did the tire start to fail. Any info would be great- Eric
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We'll try again. No reports on what the "adjustments" were - the ones that were made when the car started then stoped a little ways into that run a few minutes ago. The car has been squared up on the course and is ready to run.
Akatiff pit reports they're 20 minutes from running (the bike is at the mountain end of the course).
Canopy down, diesel engine running, MMissile is running, car is moving. Hit your refresh buttons for speeds, folks.
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Missile through the nine mile going straight.
Speeds: Entry: 292.111, kilo: 300.47 mile 300.2111, exit 307.919
By the five and shut down, looking good.
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I'm going to OSU, to the Speed Demon, to Wheeler, and maybe to the porta potty. I'll be back in a coupleof minutes.
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Missile through the nine mile going straight.
Speeds: Entry: 292.111, kilo: 300.47 mile 300.2111, exit 307.919
By the five and shut down, looking good.
Sweet. Thanks :cheers:
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Photos of Nish liner motor damage:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/nish_after%20abort_1/
I've been a bit busy, Ack launch, OSU needs an electric motor, I've been making calls to friends to see if I can find one. Gave 'em a coupla leads.
More photos soon.
RtR
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Ron Main says the front tire failed for some reason or another. Did theyhit something? Did they run over something? Did the tire just "fail"? No answers -- but fail it did. They've nounted spares and are looking for a motor. I see some pretty melty-looking power and control cables around their pit.
Mormon Missile is in the pit right next to us, refitting for the return run. "I need more Ice!" "Watch out -- that bottle is full!" (Mike Cook: "Dan Warner, you realize that this Mormon Missile attempt is a 200 MPH/300 MPH Chapter run?" Warner: "Yes, I know it".
Tower is warning land's end to keep the course closed for MMissile's return attempt. Akatiff crew is standing by at the mountain end of the course -- won't make a run 'til the Missile has turned around and run.
Oh, and OSU crew is gone from the salt. I guess they've gone for lunch -- so I can't get them to print out that email, Dick. Sorry -- will wait for them to get back and go ask.
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Missile has been serviced, and they've just started the engine -- and it runs.
Missile being pushed past Nancy and me towards the return run start line. Guess about 5-10 minutes 'til it leaves. Access road to the Salt is closed/locked.
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59 Folks are watching.
My refresh button is
held down with a toothpick.....
This is absolutely the next best thing to being there! Thank you Jon (past) and Jon (present/future)! :cheers:
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Missile moving. I got some video.
Through the three.
Entry speed: 310 kilo 316 mile 315 exit 321
"That should do it!" 200 Club 300 Chapter, FIA RECORD! WHOOOO HOOOOO!!~!
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Hmmm... That British diesel went what, 341?
My ghetto math indicates they should be able to hit that with available power.
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I'm 800 miles away.
It still gives me "chicken skin."
The wind is the wrong direction. I opened the windows but couldn't hear them.
CONGRATULATIONS fellows.
FREUD
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Exact speeds will be reported as soon as I hear them.
I'm overhearing the Missile crew talking about whether they'll run again tomorrow. The car is owned by Lynn Goodfellow, and the driver today was Curtis Halverson. I presume Lynn would like his chance at some hats, too.
Curt Halverson is from Sheboygan, Wisconsin -- runs Performance Diesel Research. Geez, a cheesehead wearing a blue hat -- this will make the Buckeye Bullet folks even more anxious to get their car running.
Congratulations to the Mormon Missile crew, driver, and owner. Good job, everyone!
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Missile moving. I got some video.
Through the three.
Entry speed: 310 kilo 316 mile 315 exit 321
"That should do it!" 200 Club 300 Chapter, FIA RECORD! WHOOOO HOOOOO!!~!
I should probably know this, but what record are they running for?
P.S. Great job to the team!!! :-D
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Tom, I don't know the FIA records well enough to describe what record they're running on. Sorry -- maybe someone out there in internet-land will chime in with the answer.
Sam Wheeler's pit has just announced they'd like to tow down to the mountain end to make a run. Missile's towing wheels are being fitted so it can return to the pits. Akatiff is hopping up and down waiting for a turn. He's going to wait long enough for Wheeler to tow down there.
Missile's official speed numbers are 308.075 kilo, 307.876 mile. Missile's owner's comments are that yes, they're going to run again -- want to bring the diesel record back to the United States -- over 350!
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So the Missile is actually running against the JCB DieselMax record that Andy Green set in 2006?
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Yup, congrats to Lynn, Curtis, and the Goodfellow crew!!! :cheers:
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Remember these are FIA records they are running on. The Bonneville 200 MPH club recognizes achievments on the Bonneville Salt Flats. Not necessarily against SCTA/BNI records. There may be records higher set at sanctioned meets that are not FIA records. I'm sure Larry Volk will answer all of the questions...Dan Warner VP of the 2 Club is there on the salt also. I wish them all the best..........JD
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Rocking good thread... I'm with Freud on the chicken-skin reading some of these posts (i get them bumps evertime I hear the words "300mph" though).
Jon and Nancy, I can't believe you let me leave there... thanks for making me feel like I haven't through reading your posts though!!! :cheers:
Todd
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So the Missile is actually running against the JCB DieselMax record that Andy Green set in 2006?
Actually it won't affect their record, IIRC, the JCB was AA engine, and Goodfellow is B engine. The Duramax can't be taken out that big.
But the fastest diesel powered vehicle anywhere today is JCB, and Goodfellow is in striking range.
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Winds are zero up and down the course, although there's a gentle breeze here in the pits (freeway end of the course). Rocky's in the bike, and last-miniute preparations are under way.
OSU crew still at the truckstop. Main/Poteet crew wrenching -- I'll get photos of the nice clean engine.
Wheeler at the mountain end, waiting his turn.
Wind up to 1.6 blowing down the race track.
Nish crew sitting and watching for the imminent arrival of the Ack bike. Ditto the Ack crew not involved in the run per se.
Wheeler pit empty. Ten or twenty folks standing around the Burkland car.
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Love the Duramax Diesels, great show guys. :-D :cheers:
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Regarding the SpeedDemon tire failures. I thought that Goodyear landspeed tires are only rated for 300. Maybe Goodyear built them specials for the car?
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Canopy down on the Ack Attack bike. Mike Cook reports to Mike AKatiff: "Mike, you have a clear course".
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Ack bike is moving, and (side) wheels are up.
Speeds: Entry 341 kilo 342 mile 342.766 exit not reported.
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I doubt it on the tires---most likely just shaved and trued.
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Akatiff bike and Rocky Robinson, rider, in the pits and stopped.
341.186 342.720 342.766 344.510
Dan Warner hurrying to the pits to observe so the record, should one be set, can be certifiable. It's a two-hour turnaround allowance.
Mike Akatiff says it's okay for Sam to run -- not sure if they've got enough speed for the record, but they'll turn around and try again anyway.
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Here are a few photos of Rocky riding the bike into the pits just now:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1944.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1945.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1946.jpg)
And a video of the Missile leaving the pits on the return run a while back (sorry -- video takes a while to load from out here).
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/?action=view¤t=100_1943.flv
That's it for a little while.
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Dan Warner is on the radio reporting that the seal he put on the Missile at SpeedWeek is still on the engine and intact, so therefore is viable. It's an SCTA wire seal -- not just paint.
Sam Wheeler is readying for a run -- will run BEFORE Ack bike makes the return run.
Full Blast bike (Leo Hess) is at the mountain end and waiting to make a full run -- waiting in line behind Wheeler and then Akatiff.
Poor timing stand folks -- keep getting asked questions -- and they're trying to eat lunch.
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Deb:
While we're waiting for thenext few runs, howzabout putting a remind right there, on the front page, telling folks that they can go to my photobucket page and see the photos that I'm putting up? The link to that is:
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/
I haven't figured out how to post stuff on that page. Wanna share the secret magic decoder words?
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Fun stuff to watch:
A spectator car just moseyed past us and then started right down the race course. Then Mike Cook Jr. lit out like a bat out of hell and chased down the specatator, catching the car before the half-mile. STOP! Specatator and Cook are returning to the pits.
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Sam Wheeler is about done getting dressed -- putting on the jacket now. The crew is adjusting the belts and he's going to run as soon as he gets into the bike. He's coming this way. Then Leo Hess will run. And the Ack crew wants to tow down to the far (mountain) end to set up for another run.
No word on any runs by cars.
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Great shirt on that shot of Dan.
He may be delinquent at Gas Up this year unless Mike flies him to Buellton.
FREUD
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GO SAM!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sam about to run. Winds: about one mph, right down the course from there to here. Sam's getting the wind information as I type. Temps are about 65F -- hazy bright skies. I just took some photos, by the way, of the Poteet/Main engine getting put together. Nice stuffover there.
Sam's comment when told about the wind: "Okay, let's go do it!"
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Engine running, canopy closed. Course is clear, bike moving.
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Front page update complete secret decoder in PM.
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Sam Wheeler's speeds: Entry: 331.114 kilo 336.331 mile shutoff early chiute out, on course.
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Woohoo!!! :cheers:
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Nice tune up run, Now go get it done Sam :-D
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I had to actually do some work and it's killing me. I had to miss an hour to go out and calibrate a robot.
I've been back in the office "working". Or at least 9 minutes out of 10.
Nope, no interest in this topic.
Logged on to the Top 1 Oil meet
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:cheers:Get her Done! Sam
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:cheers: Get her Sam
Your Brother makes it look easy... :-D
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News: Sam Wheeler is running on an open FIM record, so he qualified. He's running on the two-hour turnaround clock right now. He's got an hour and a half or so, maybe more. Akatiff has a little more than an hour left -- don't know if they're going to "accept" the first set of times or start from scratch-- but (Caveat here: I don't know the FIM rules, so this is a guess) maybe they'll make a run and then decide what to do.
Leo Hess and his group are trailering to the north end of the course to make a run.
Mike Cook is happier than the dickens -- the meet is running well. He just brought a BLM guy here to say howdy. Nice strokes for this site -- I got told the BLM has a link to landracing.com on their site. I wonder if that's the BLM site or the SLC office or what. Still -- nice to hear that those folks like to spread the land racing word for us all.
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Mike can make a return run, FIM rules state two consecutive runs, doesnt matter the speed above or below. Then can return like 357 or 358 and average over the record...... Going over the record for a return run was a BUB thing to eliminate problem people abusing the rule..
Go, go go go go go go little green machine of sam wheelers...
Hell the car guys are dropping faster then the bike guys.....
JonAmo
Who shouldn't have even came to work today, and can't get squat done....
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Who shouldn't have even came to work today, and can't get squat done....
Me. But the connection is faster here luckily.
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I'm betting a 370+ run before this is all over.
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Man this is 10 times better then radio as it's recorded here forever. Getting to read it like it's happening even if you're working on getting ready for another race or still trying to desalt and disassemble some crazy little 250cc bike makes the latter hard to do. :roll:
No matter when you read Slims words hear, it will feel like you were hearing it live. Go Sam, Rocky, Leo , and everyone.... what a 2 wheel year this is going to be!!!! (my customers think I'm working on shop paperwork that I'm behind on from WOS) :-D
Todd
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So the Missile is actually running against the JCB DieselMax record that Andy Green set in 2006?
Actually it won't affect their record, IIRC, the JCB was AA engine, and Goodfellow is B engine. The Duramax can't be taken out that big.
But the fastest diesel powered vehicle anywhere today is JCB, and Goodfellow is in striking range.
Aw, that makes sense now...Best of luck breaking the all out diesel record. What a feet that would be considering the multi-million dollar effort that JCB put into it.
GO GO Missile crew :-D
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Todd, are you and the other V-Twin folks pulling extra hard for the Hess bike?
He's got his suit on, his helmet is being tightened as I type, and we're forecasting a run within about five minutes. Winds are 2-4 mph down the course (out of the north, that is).
Next vehicle is #1320, the Kuryakyn bike, ridden by Leo Hess. In case you missed my ost from yesterday, it's a 181-inch "Harley" running on about 85% nitro. Sure wish I could be at the start to hear it light off and leave. I think that if he gets a good run in I'll go to the tower for the return -- that engine at full twist oughta be a righteous-sounding rig!
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Jon,
Just checked the BLM page.....the link is on the Utah site,,,,Salt Lake district...recreation...Bonneville Salt Flats
http://www.blm.gov/ut/st/en/fo/salt_lake/recreation/bonneville_salt_flats/bsf_landspeed_racing.html
Jon thanks for the updates.....
Unlike Dean and more like Freud............I work 1 minute and watch 9... :-D :-D :lol:
Pat
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You know it my friend!!!!!
Leo happens to be the only one (still today) in the ECTA 2club with a pushrod motorcycle... nad he did it over a decade ago.
I'm not only rooting for him... I'm waving books in the air trying to cause a tail wind (or draft depending on his direction) :-)
Would live to hear that thing at the 5!!!!!
Todd(hoping i'm not missing anythign while I'm typing this)
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I just checked my personal dictionary.
The work WORK is not in it.
The top line of every page starts with;
THANKS, LANDRACING.Com
FREUD
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THANKS, LANDRACING.Com
:cheers:
Todd
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Hess' bike is running, they're pulling the training wheels off, the bike is underway.
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Remember Chassis Engeering had the FIRST Diesl streamliner to average over 300 with a "C" engine. JBC wanted that too but didn't get it.....................Hot Rodders...............YEAH
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Leo Hess is on the way down the course. Entry speed: can't get it to shift. coasting -- shut off 'tween ten and nine and coasting. Couldn't get it to shift.
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Im home and down with a bad back, sure glad I bought this laptop to tune my bike. :-D
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Bike is stopped at the 6 1/2, engine off. Course workers are released to move about.
Sorry folks. Dang it!!! Wish we'd get a couple more full runs in -- but this is world-class top speed land speed racing, and these vehicles are pretty high-strung and suffer from faults. And also -- if things aren't 100% correct - a little problem is magnafied by the speed.
Other stuff: 15 minutes remaining in Akatiff's bike's 2 hours, 1 hour for Sam Wheeler.
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Arrggghhhh!!!
Ok, going for a test ride... hope they find it's somehting simple.
Todd
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Wow..lot's of interested folks... :cheers:
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News flash: Just as I put ny head down for a quick break -- the Burkland team started the engines. No napping while that car is running only fifty yards away.
Maybe this is a good sign. I heard a different story about Tom Burkland's run from yesterday -- that the tachs weren't making sense -- showing a double reading -- so he shut down. Yesterday the story was that the engine tuneup was poor. We'll see - but with the motors running it's a good thing, hey?
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I've been kinda quiet cuz I've been shooting photos and editing 'em like a madman...but that's sorta normal for me...the madman part, anyway.
Here are a coupla photobucket albums I've done in the last few hours...awww, hell...just go here:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/ and check out the albums that ya want to. I'm workin on photos of Poteet & Main's rebuild...they're putting a normally aspirated motor to replace the turbo. I dunno how long it's gonna take, but they're sure workin hard.
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I can just hear the bosses all around the country cheering. We're taking a one-hour (minimum) break. Sawm won't return now, Akatiff wpn't return now. nobody else is ready to run, Burkland wants to run at the end of the day.
We're going to the truckstop for a bite to eat.
Later.
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Thanks to everyone out on the salt making it easier to be at home! Does any remember or better yet have, Hal Blane's "Dragsters and Drums" album? I remember that it featured a run of one of Art Arfons' early allison powered Green Monsters coupled with Hal's driving beats!
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So the Missile is actually running against the JCB DieselMax record that Andy Green set in 2006?
Actually it won't affect their record, IIRC, the JCB was AA engine, and Goodfellow is B engine. The Duramax can't be taken out that big.
But the fastest diesel powered vehicle anywhere today is JCB, and Goodfellow is in striking range.
Aw, that makes sense now...Best of luck breaking the all out diesel record. What a feet that would be considering the multi-million dollar effort that JCB put into it.
GO GO Missile crew :-D
Just an FYI the JCB record is 317.021 8-)
Corrected McRat bought me the book
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Rocky had some uneasy handling problem... After the rebuild from last year they cut some of the water tank out of the front of the liner and the steering system was rebuilt. The steering was about 1/2 as stiff as before so they are making that a little tighter. As for the water tank in front, mike feels they lost some weight there so they are adding some lead weight back up front and making the steering a little stiffer.
Sam just said the bike wont go any faster... I did not get a clarification on that... Does that mean we are out of power at current setting or that is as fast as he feels comfortable on the aluminum front wheel?
If it's a power issue then he can just turn up the boost and that was just as fast as it would go at current setting, which was probably at 8-10 lbs boost..
Leo Hess was fighting a problem of visibility out the Harley liner...
Burklands have always favored a late afternoon pass and steered away from any mid morning- mid afternoon running.
Im sure JonW will clarify some of this by the end of the day... Won't you JonW?????
JonAmo
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OK This my first post so go easy on me! Would like to get more updates on the Burkland crew and if there are going run today. Lots of interested folks up here at the end to the earth Montana!!
Just an old pit crew member of the old "411" (Studdie nad the Datsun)
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OK This my first post so go easy on me! Would like to get more updates on the Burkland crew and if there are going run today. Lots of interested folks up here at the end to the earth Montana!!
Just an old pit crew member of the old "411" (Studdie nad the Datsun)
Just stayed tuned, a few posts previous they stated they were going to run this afternoon. You will just have to stay tuned here hitting refresh, and believe me when they run JonW will post the speeds as he goes by...
JonAmo
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it's alright for you lot at work, it's 22:45 here and it's going to continue into the wee small hours again. I have to prop my eyes open at my desk whilst America sleeps :D
top work all the same :)
Andy
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I though I must have fallen asleep and took a little nap---but I think I was just holding my breath and passed out!!!!!!!!!!!!!great ---great stuff
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Question: Does anyone know why Burkland prefers running at the end of the day? I maybe be mistaken, but aren't salt conditions usually better earlier in the day?
Any update on Nish?
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its the absolute best time to run......
kr
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Maybe SSS will someday offer high-quality sound recordings here on LANDRACING.COM,
with Glen's oh-so-recognizable voice announcing the speeds, the sound of the chutes deploying,
the cheers of the crowd....
All in real time.
Ah stop that! Now you've got me drooling all over the keyboard!
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This time of year the salt and temps are better.It can be a little damp in the morning.
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I believe Nish has the head going to Chapman in SLC to get worked on. Just what I heard through the grapevine.
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This time of year the salt and temps are better.It can be a little damp in the morning.
Gotcha...thanks. Makes sense, the heat in summer draws the moisture up to the surface, but the chill in the morning this time of year must make more water in the air? So this time of year the air is heavier in the AM, but the salt stays dry all day because the temp stays low all day?
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Question: Does anyone know why Burkland prefers running at the end of the day? I maybe be mistaken, but aren't salt conditions usually better earlier in the day?
Any update on Nish?
When we run blown we run faster when the air is the worst
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I suppose the valve head from Nish's engine probably went right out the port and was spit out on the salt somewhere. I hope someone finds it as it would be a good offering to the gods of speed. Terry has had enough heartache these last two weeks, a little help from his mom right now would be a real morale boost for him.
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I'm so ticked off that I'm home picking apples. Thanks so much for the updates. Not as good as being there but much better than not knowing what is going on. Slim you rock! The Danny Boy is leaving for Buelton in the AM. Hope to any and all there.
rht
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Richard, congratulations. Don't forget to eat some Anderson's Split Pea Soup on your way..
Looking at all the names visiting on the site, I see one with the name Big Wedgie. I am not to sure I want to meet him............Jon, great work, and I would send you a check if you ever returned to Frostbite Falls, Minn. Don't tear up the salt, I am coming to the World Finals with a drum of Nitro and it aint for show.......................Bob :-D
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Thanks for the kind words Bob. Still chomping at the bit for info and the fact I'm not there.
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Sorry for the delay. Here's the story:
First of all, we're done for the day. Ack won't run 'til morning. Sam had a bit of an oil leak and was geared too tall for the boost they had dialed in, but will run in the morning. Terry Kizer is in the pit working. Hess's bike hurt a sprag and a part is being seardched for in SLC.
Nish is done for the meet. Burkland has put off this afternon's run 'til first thing in the morning. Mormon Missile will run in the morning. Buckeye Bullet has found the problem in a drive motor and is heading to SLC for work. Poteet/Main is hoping to run tomorrow, but might have to wait 'til Thursday.
And that, boys and girls, is today's story. Then -- as Nancy was about to shut off the computer -- Charlie, the FIM (bike) guy, came by to chat with me and talk about the chip on my shoulder about me trying to fit my head into their rules. Dang, what a nice guy -- and what a good thing for him to do (speak with me about my hassles). I know a bit more about FIM now than before. I'll keep looking into it. And I sure do appreciate the international flavor of this meet more than I had expected to do so.
Good night. . . for now. Thanks to everyone -- and especially to those of you that sent in contributions today. I think we set a one-day record for incoming bucks.
Ta-ta.
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Thank you for the updates. Very much appreciated. keep up the good work for those who are not lucky enough to be there.
Best regards.
Aussi Trev. :cheers:
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Slim/Nancy..
Thanks for the information and please remind the fim guy that he has to send in all fim record paperwork quickly after the meet or the racer/team will not get the record approved in Geneva... :roll:
J
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alot have asked why I aborted my trip to the salt last night... Well,, about 4:30 pm I told Keilani to get new tires on her car (07 Chrysler 300C 19K and it needs tires), she got home around 5:30 and i hurried and packed her car with all my stuff and left my truck keys on the table... I announced I was going to the grocery store with my camera bag in hand. I actually made it down the highway about to FT Collins and she called to find out where I was with her car and I said I was on the way to the salt and well she made me turn around.... and If I didn't I was cut off have any ..... for the next year... I turned around and came home....
JonAmo
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Not one word about OUTHOUSES??????????
How many? Where are they located? How clean? Etc.
Thanks for all the hard work!
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From KSL Utah:
Land speed record attempt will have to wait until next year
"This was supposed to be the year. Nish Motorsports was once again going for the "holy grail" of land speed records, using an engine with no turbo technology. Bob Summers set the record in 1965 at the Bonneville Salt Flats going 409 miles per hour. The Nish team was thinking faster. However, just 30 seconds in, Mike had to shut off the engine. "The exhaust temperature was getting high, so I shut it down," he said. At first the crew thought it was a shifting problem, but when they took the top off they noticed a valve sticking through the valve cover. When they removed that, they realized the problem was worse. A valve got stuck, and a buildup of pressure forced it through. The crew then noticed more damage, enough to knock out all hopes of setting the record this year."
Full story: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=4335776
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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WOW! WHAT A HARD DECISION.
Cut off at home for a year or two weeks without a Salt Fix.
This seems like a GREAT POLL Question.
We already know the answer but it would be fun to poll the audience and see if he made the best choice.
When you factor Keilani into the equation......It had to have been hard.
Poll Results Keilani 1 Salt 0
FREUD
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AT 66 that might have fallen on deft ears- :-D---LOL-- :cheers:-at Jon's age- :cry:---probabaly would have registered :-o
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Well I think difficult would be a better choice of words, FREUD :roll:
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2 for the boss
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AT 66 that might have fallen on deft ears- :-D---LOL-- :cheers:-at Jon's age- :cry:---probabaly would have registered :-o
Yup. I know where I'm at. But then I'm not married, so I guess that makes a bit of a difference. :) And I don't have any goldfish or other critters (unless ya count the spiders in the basement, but they can take care of themselves.)
No problem for me makin a decision.
RtR
ps. Bummer, Jon.
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If these pages of running dialog don't make the hair on your arms stand up your in the wrong sport - GREAT Reporting and really great information for those stuck at home - Thank you ALL - Pat Kinne
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Terry, if and when you see this, I'm so sorry. I know how hard you and your crew work. You'll be back and get that damn record. I have utmost faith in you all.
rht
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At Jon's age, Kelani for sure!
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Thanks, Slim, for all you do. As a fellow Montanan, wish I could be there to cheer the Birklands on. Tom's Dad Gene used to be the tech guy that checked our car when we drag raced in Lewistown, Mt. in the 60's. Gene has to see this happen. Hang in there Birklands, and "GET 'ER DONE". Doug
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Slim,
Thank you so much for the play by play information!!!
It is almost as good as being there......almost!
All I can say is thank you so much for all you are doing :cheers:
My yearly donation will be sent very soon.
Go 411!!!
Bob
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J. Noonan:
Why didn't you say so earlier? I talked with FIM Charlie for about a half-hour at the end of the day today...and didn't know that you wanted me to ask him to hurry it up. I'll try to catch up with him tomorrow and ask that he get a move on.
Thanks to all. And I agree -- Jonathon, your choice of words was regrettably hilarious.
More play-by-play tomorrow, boys and girls. Good night!
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To Seldom Seen Slim,
I would just like to say thank you for the the excellent job of updating the activities at the meet and photos.
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Well guys and Gals.... ( and small farm animals ).... damn I'm going to leave you for the day.... see you tomorrow....
LIFE IS GOOD...
K
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Final post before crash into bed. I got all of today's photos (at least the keepers) editied and posted on photobucket:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/)
There are a couple I'm holding over for tomorrow, just for technical reasons (is that like a wardrobe malfunction, ya think?)
I'll be out on the salt as early as there's light for photos.
RtR
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My boy and I are heading out well before first light. Should be there bright and early. Camera and binos ready. See ya'll tomorow.
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Jon/Nancy,
Reading the days runs fills in the blanks. Just like Speedweek, WoS, etc. even if you are on-site a person cannot keep all the pieces together. Also, another thanks for ruining my rep. A photo of me and ice tea!!! I should have pushed the can lower in the cool cup.
See you in the AM, Cook has us on the salt at 6,
DW
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I'll be out on the salt as early as there's light for photos.
My God man, put out lights! :evil:
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I'll be out on the salt as early as there's light for photos.
My God man, put out lights! :evil:
Now why didn't I think of that??? Duh! (Smacks forehead.) Oh, yeah...that little thing about gettin sleep and food and stuff...yeah, that's it. :)
I'll be back out there in a bit...it's 5:15 am...I need a shower (yes, I think it would be a good idea...I'm sure others would agree) and some food (I don't care what others think about that) and I gotta put gas in the Burb (cuz if I don't we ain't goin nowhere) and then I'm back to work. I guess I can't whine about being retired...since there are so many other "retired" folks out here. I'll just put the camera on the monopod and go do stuff.
Stay tuned,
RtR
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there in person.
In the late 50's and eayly 60's, Riverside Records put out LP's (remember those...? )
with the "Sounds of Bonneville." Things like Mickey Thompson's 4 engine liner,
a Standun single cylinder engine "baby" liner, Alf Romeo, Dodge, DOHC Jaguars,
Ferrari V-12, a 1710 cu in Allison aircraft engine - with turbo, Etc.
Maybe SSS will someday offer high-quality sound recordings here on LANDRACING.COM,
with Glen's oh-so-recognizable voice announcing the speeds, the sound of the chutes deploying,
the cheers of the crowd....
All in real time.
Don't look for any recording of the sounds going through the timed mile. Every time someone started a run, some idiot in a helicopter went up and hovered right over it and drowned out the sound of the racers. :x Other than that it was (is) a bichin meet. The announcers (Rice) kept us very well informed about when someone was running. I had to leave Tuesday afternoon. At least I'll be back in 2 weeks. Wayno
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Wow, so this is what it is like when you are not there.... :?
Keep up the good work Ray and Jon and Jon on the phone.....
Good choice Jon.... :|
Freud, I thought you were too old to get chinken skin.... does it bump up in the wrinkles 8-)
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YES! :x This is what it's like to stay home Stainless! :-P
BTW, I came home last night and the lawn was mowed and I didn't even need to remind Todd to do it before we left for Maxton! (I think it's the only time he's done it without prompting in the last 8 years!) I think he's already working it to try to go back to Bonnie for Finals! :-D
Debbie
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Stainless, I think with Freud it's called ROOSTER SKIN :evil:
And in the past.. not being there is like this without the words... but then you wouldn't know what it's like to not be there would you? :wink:
Hey Jon... WAKE UP MAN.... we're all jonesin' here dude!
Todd
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BTW, I came home last night and the lawn was mowed and I didn't even need to remind Todd to do it before we left for Maxton! (I think it's the only time he's done it without prompting in the last 8 years!) I think he's already working it to try to go back to Bonnie for Finals! :-D
Debbie
Well at least you know why it was done :-D
Notice I didn't even complain that your boyfriend didn't do it!?!
You awake yet Jon?
Todd
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Notice I didn't even complain that your boyfriend didn't do it!?!
If I'm going to have a boyfriend over while you're gone why would I waste it on the lawn when the house needs cleaning? :evil:
sooooo......... are there any engines fired up???????!!!!!!!! We're all twitching our refresh buttons here!
Debbie
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I love the smell of infernal combustion in the morning. (sic)
Go get 'em!!!! :evil:
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Crap I deleted myself! This is now my new altered ego! LOL
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I was wondering who you po'd. Guess it was yourself? :-D
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I know she's such a witch in the morning! lol
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so what are conditions like on the salt? Is anyone ready to run?
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Hey!
Hey!
Hey!
It's 8:11 A.M.! The sun has been up for H O U R S!!
What's going on!!!
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Maybe the OSU wireless ain't working yet. Or ??????
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J & N aren't always known to be the earliest of risers(or maybe they like spending their am time together before hitting the continental breakfast?)... and for good reason considering the amount of time they put in during their time on the salt. They will be with us soon I'm sure.... better they get a good breakfast so they can put up with all of you(us) needy bazturds out here.
Todd
PS: OSU wires won't mater to SSS - they have direct connection to the airwaves in that fruity laptop of theirs.
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Good morning Todd :cheers:
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Okay, maybe it's been a long time since you folks were newlyweds. That'll be the story I stick with this morning.
Okay -- here we are at the pit area, and the first run of the day has yet to happen. It'll be the Ack Attack bike, but no word on just how soon. Course workers are in place -- but we aren't "lacked down" yet, so it'll be a little while.
Do some work in advance so your boss thinks that you've put in a full day today.
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Don't encourage him, Glen.
J
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Morning all, this is SO addictive . . . (since I haven't been out to the salt yet this year)
taps foot, taps foot . . . .
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Okay, for all y'all who need something to try and get your head around this early in the morning try this on for some mental gymnastics. Besides it may look like actual work if you need to "hide". :roll:
http://www.fia.com/sport/Regulations/Records/index.html
This is an explanation of what these guys/gals are doing out upon the Great White Dyno. It just doesn't match up very well with SCTA/BNI/ECTA/DLRA.
Oh well :cry:
J
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oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy.....
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Ack Attack bike canopy is down. we're locked down -- first run of the morning is soon to commence.
Bike is being pushed off.
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Run is under way. Rocky is being complimented by Mike Cook: "He gets that bike up and on the center wheels in a hurry!"
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Ack Attack bike entry 333 kilo 337 mile 338 exit not reported
Chute out at the 3 1/2
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Bike is coming in towards us. Cooool! One official reports a timing sensor is down -- may have been knocked over by his wake, might have "tagged" it.
entry 333 kilo 337.655 mile 338.503 exit 346
He just putt-putted past us into the pits.
I'll let you know what's next.
Cris Shearer reports he's in the pit, his crew is with him, everything looks okay.
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Hey -- As long as I've got your attention, Richard and Judy White -- the couple that's helping Carl put the Lovelock event together -- will be attending the Nellis AFB S hootout this weekend and will post some results on the event. Nancy and I will be on the road heading home -- so Richard will give you something to keep your appetites sated.
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This is how I've spent my morning.
Tuned into the thead to see what's happening. Never mind it's 5:00 am CST.
Read everything you'all said last night.
Made FIRST pot a' coffee.
Still dark outside. Went out to garage. Opened garage door. Opened salt trailer door. Went back in to garage. Sat down. Stared at streamliner in trailer. Drank coffee. Stared some more.
Back in house 5:35 am. Checked if Jon's posted yet on the runs. No.
Back to garage. More coffee. More staring.
Back to house. Checked again. No runs yet. 6:30 am.
Beginning to get grumpy. "What's Jon doing? Why doesn't someone make a run? Dark?"
10:00 am. CST. Second pot 'a coffee. Tired of staring at the streamliner.
Came back in and here I am posting. Haven't even brushed my teeth yet.
Wish I could be there with you fast guys.
Best to all and be safe.
Max
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Are Ack or Sam on the salt?
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Ack just ran and haven't heard what Sam is doing today
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what a great week this is, first the week long of racing at bonneville and then off to Gas Up on Sat. Does it get much better? Thanks Jon.
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Nellis Shootout? as in Vegas?
Any help as to information?
thanks,
Hey -- As long as I've got your attention, Richard and Judy White -- the couple that's helping Carl put the Lovelock event together -- will be attending the Nellis AFB S hootout this weekend and will post some results on the event. Nancy and I will be on the road heading home -- so Richard will give you something to keep your appetites sated.
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Any Ack Times?
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Sorta like me---I was out in the shop about the same time with the tape measure comtemplating next redo of the RAT---dropping some frontal area and cleaning some things up aero wise :-D
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Any Ack Times?
Ack Attack bike entry 333 kilo 337 mile 338 exit not reported
Chute out at the 3 1/2
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While we are waiting:
This Saturday in Buelton, CA
(http://www.oilstick.com/gasup929/gas.jpg)
http://www.oilstick.com/drylakeshallof%20famegasup/index.htm (http://www.oilstick.com/drylakeshallof%20famegasup/index.htm)
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I've heard these meets are frightfully expensive to put on and so the per vehicle entry fees are pretty high. I was considering going but the last time I heard there were only two or three other vehicles so it was going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of (if I recall correctly) $8000 to $11,000 dollars (and I could use that money to pay off Sears, well at least as far as it would go anyway). :|
Now I find that there are what, five cars and two or three bikes? Price got a whole lot more reasonable real quick like (Sears will just have to wait).
Sooooo, does anyone know what the final per vehicle charge was for this event?
It would just be too cool to hang a radiator inside the back of my leaky old 'liner and just spend the day doing laps out there! You know make a pass, don't even pull the chute... just let her coast down 5 miles to the 0 at the far end... make a BIG U turn and hammer it back up through the lights in the other direction.
Oops, not fast fast enough... BIG U turn and back on up the course. What a day that would be!! Probably need a bigger gas tank too, but what the heck?
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DEAN, great post.
Gas Up is a marvelous event.
I hope to meet u there.
At least the front row parking isn't 1.7 miles long like the pits at B'ville.
FREUD
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Okay -- here's the latest. Ack will run again this morning. He'll try to re-qualify -- instead of running back on the times from that first run.
Sam Wheeler is reading the bike to run.
Tom Burkland has put another sensor into the tach pickup -- yesterday was seeing readings saying the motor was spinning 10,000 rpm (Highly unmlikely for a pair of Mopar engines!), and he therefore short-shifted again. Also had a misfiring situation -- not sure what the problem was, but they've started up the engines twice already this morning, and are hoping to go make a run soon.
End of this post. Get a cup of coffee-- no running for at least a half-hour, likely longer than that.
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I've heard these meets are frightfully expensive to put on and so the per vehicle entry fees are pretty high. I was considering going but the last time I heard there were only two or three other vehicles so it was going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of (if I recall correctly) $8000 to $11,000 dollars (and I could use that money to pay off Sears, well at least as far as it would go anyway). :|
Now I find that there are what, five cars and two or three bikes? Price got a whole lot more reasonable real quick like (Sears will just have to wait).
Sooooo, does anyone know what the final per vehicle charge was for this event?
It would just be too cool to hang a radiator inside the back of my leaky old 'liner and just spend the day doing laps out there! You know make a pass, don't even pull the chute... just let her coast down 5 miles to the 0 at the far end... make a BIG U turn and hammer it back up through the lights in the other direction.
Oops, not fast fast enough... BIG U turn and back on up the course. What a day that would be!! Probably need a bigger gas tank too, but what the heck?
I fully intended to attend the Top 1 Oil Shootout. Mike Cook put it all together. He told me my cost to attend would be $5,000. The cars cost are $15,000. Five cars at $15,000 each=$75,000. The four bikes would have been $20,000. Initially, Ack was going to foot the bill to get Charlie, the FIM official, over, then the four bikes would split the bill on that after the final figure was calculated.
Mike Cook wanted to limit the participants to 10. He's run many meets before, and said that running 10 competitors is about all you can do time wise, to give justice to all.
Max
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I fully intended to attend the Top 1 Oil Shootout. Mike Cook put it all together. He told me my cost to attend would be $5,000. The cars cost are $15,000. Five cars at $15,000 each=$75,000. The four bikes would have been $20,000. Initially, Ack was going to foot the bill to get Charlie, the FIM official, over, then the four bikes would split the bill on that after the final figure was calculated.
Mike Cook wanted to limit the participants to 10. He's run many meets before, and said that running 10 competitors is about all you can do time wise, to give justice to all.
Max
That seems strange. Only $5K for a bike but $15K for a car. Same track, same timing, same course workers, seems like the same everything. There must be a difference somewhere. Does the FIA charge that much more than the FIM for an on-site rep?
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Any Ack Times?
Lague,
You are behind the curve everytime you post... Just a few posts before your post JonW posted his times for the morning and whats going on... Read days events and you will be up to speed on whats going on just like the rest of us instead of repeating info to clutter up the forum topic with information already there.
Jon
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I fully intended to attend the Top 1 Oil Shootout. Mike Cook put it all together. He told me my cost to attend would be $5,000. The cars cost are $15,000. Five cars at $15,000 each=$75,000. The four bikes would have been $20,000. Initially, Ack was going to foot the bill to get Charlie, the FIM official, over, then the four bikes would split the bill on that after the final figure was calculated.
Mike Cook wanted to limit the participants to 10. He's run many meets before, and said that running 10 competitors is about all you can do time wise, to give justice to all.
Max
That seems strange. Only $5K for a bike but $15K for a car. Same track, same timing, same course workers, seems like the same everything. There must be a difference somewhere. Does the FIA charge that much more than the FIM for an on-site rep?
Many pages ago I discussed this that the FIA was much more expensive and the bike side was extremely cheap compared to car guys.. And the final certificate for the FIA went up to $2500 for the piece of paper and I think the FIM Paper was $500... Go figure...
JonAmo
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Funny thing this subject should come up. Mike Cook just sat here and told us lots and lots of the story behind what he does for the meet. Most of it ent in one ear and out the other, but here's some of what I heard:
First of all, there are differences between cars and bikes - because there are differences in the high-up organizations. FIM and AMA, and FIA and USAC -- all will have their rules and fee structures. While the timing lights and clocks are the same, so to speak -- the ruling clubs are not the same. Evidence -- cars have a one-hour turn around window, bikes have tow hours. So -- the FIA and USAC folks watched as the crews worked to get the cars turned around -- Poteet/Main changing two front tires as well as everything else -- and shook their heads in wonderment, asking how the heck it gets done. Rest assured that they'll think over that one-hour time carefully -- and think it over with the goal of making it into the two hours that bikes get.
Another issue is that the permit Cook Motorsports has with the BLM is for a private non-profit event, with a fixed cost of a handful of dollars. But -- if Mike wanted to try to cut costs for the competitiors, for instance by selling t-shirts and hats -- the BLM might well then decide it's a commercial venture and charge 5% of the gross. Maybe the costs would be the same -- maybe they'd not be the same.
There is some overall commercial sponsorship money in this event, usecd for advance publicity (I think that is what Mike said), and that brought in more news and documentary crews. That publicity will be beneficial over the long run if not immediately.
There's a bit of information -- and if you want more -- either I'll get back to more story later, or you can ask Mike.
Gotta post this -- running's about to resume.
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Amo,
Sorry Jon you are right. I should have looked at the previous page....thought I had. I was just excited about Ack's run.
I will shut up and lurk so I don't clutter up the board! Have a good day.
Dick Lague
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Okay, here's what's going on right now. Ack bike is going to run from the highway end to the mountain, hoping to qualify (not running on the speeds they ran earlier today). Then -- after he leaves, the Burkland, Wheeler, and (maybe) the Missile will parade down the course toward then mountain so they can all run back to here on qualifying runs.
Mike Cook and Charlie/FIM just went a quarter-mile down the course to set some cones. FIM rules require the tow rope for bikes to be released by the quarter on a record run -- so there are cones for Rocky to sight on so he can push the let-go button in time.
Then there's the "makes-us-blush" news: Cook asked permission to announce on the CB and FM radios, to the teams and spectators, that landracing.com is accepting donations for the coverage we're providing. 'Scuse me while I look at myself in the mirror to see if I've grown more modest.
Anyway, runs should resume soon. Akatiff's bike is staged, Rocky is suited up, the crew is filling the intercooler with dry ice. 5-8 minutes is the forecast.
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Ray the Rat called on the radio to ask that I let you know he's not able to get on line out here just now, so his photos won't be available for a while. He apologizes.
Rocky is in the bike, wind is about zero everywhere down the course, the course is locked down, everything is ready.
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Amo,
Sorry Jon you are right. I should have looked at the previous page....thought I had. I was just excited about Ack's run.
I will shut up and lurk so I don't clutter up the board! Have a good day.
Dick Lague
Dick,
ooo man you aren't the only one excited... We are all peeled to this darn puter screen just waiting for the info... Post away Laque, we all like to have fun... Hey why were you not at Bub's filming, or at this meet for that matter... Your video is awesome and I sure enjoyed all that you filmed... Now we need the uncut version with the bazillion hours of video you have, totally uncut that would be great... How many DVD's would that take up????
JonAmo
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Ack Attack engine is running, canopy is down, chase helicopter is in the air, bike is about to be pushed off, bike is moving past us.
YEEEE-HAH!!!!
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Vehcile is slowing -- about one mile out.
DANG! It sure was cool to watch him leave, but we could hear the motor popping a bit as he got into it. Sure looks pretty in the sun, though.
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Drive train problem. Bike will return to pits, other vehicles that want to go to the mountain end to run are released from pits to parade down to that start line.
Nancy's peeling a banana (yellow one, thank you very much, you perverts!), and we'll go back to waiting.
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Jon,
thanks for the compliment on the show we still have some copies left go to www.isde.tv
....as you know that was a team effort and it took lots of years too. We started shooting in April 2004. We have hours of footage of Sam in the Ack Attack on Lake Gairdner in March 2006 for example. We are considering some bike LSR DVD projects right now.
I was at Bub this year for a couple of days helping Sam and Mike with on-board cameras, but the crew was in Greece shooting the International Six Days Enduro that whole week. We were trying to be at this private meet this week, but even with discussions down to the wire, things did not work out.
Dick
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Fun parade to watch -- Burkland car, followed by Mormon Missile, followed by Sam Wheeler's bike. I wish you allcould be here to watch. We're doing our best to let you enjoy it with us.
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Nancy's peeling a banana (yellow one, thank you very much, you perverts!), and we'll go back to waiting.
Picture while we'er waiting? :-D
Miss ya :wink:
Todd
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Hopefully someone (Ray?) can get some sound bites?
We know everyone gets WAY busy when the motor is running - and we sure appreciate this.
Drive train problem. Bike will return to pits, other vehicles that want to go to the mountain end to run are released from pits to parade down to that start line.
Nancy's peeling a banana (yellow one, thank you very much, you perverts!), and we'll go back to waiting.
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Anyway, runs should resume soon. Akatiff's bike is staged, Rocky is suited up, the crew is filling the intercooler with dry ice. 5-8 minutes is the forecast.
SSS, If its possible could you get a pic of the intercooler that uses dry ice.
Thanks, Bill
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Order of the next runs:
Burkland, followed by Lynn Goddfellow driving the Mormon Missile, both cars starting at the 10 1/2, with Sam Wheeler starting last, at the 12 mile.
The vehicles are on the way there now -- stopped in mid-track to flip coins to see who'd go when (or maybe they used some other style of deciding).
Pictures of stuff being loaded now, Todd.
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Order of the next runs:
Burkland, followed by Lynn Goddfellow driving the Mormon Missile, both cars starting at the 10 1/2, with Sam Wheeler starting last, at the 12 mile.
The vehicles are on the way there now -- stopped in mid-track to flip coins to see who'd go when (or maybe they used some other style of deciding).
Pictures of stuff being loaded now, Todd.
WOOHOO!!! (http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o244/narider/Misc/Smileys/bringit.gif)
Todd
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Here's alittle of what's going on in the pits:
Think your pit is all set up? Burkland has marks on the salt (biodegradable marks, I'm reassured to hear) so they know where each trailer tire, each saw horse, each prop, is to be set so things proceed smoothly during the one-hour turnaround.
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1953.jpg)
Here are a few shots from yesterday in the Speed Demon pit as they were setting up the new N/A motor that's now in the car. Parts, by the way, are to be arriving from all over the US at SLC airport today, then come out here to be installed tonight and tomorrow for more runs.
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The Burkland car has this ATV as a chaser -- he's stationed about a mile and a half from this end of the course, and when Tom zooms by - this ATV chases him just in case. Has a few tools, a tow strap, a radio, a push bar. In case Tom has to take the emergency exit this vehicle can follow to be there quickly.
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1952.jpg)
And finally, Todd, here's Nancy, hard at rest, reading and waiting. . .
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1951.jpg)
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Slim your killing me.
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Hey Kilger I told you we should have went, Tammy says Hi. :cheers:
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I think that the red fire truck will out run that ATV .
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Anyway, runs should resume soon. Akatiff's bike is staged, Rocky is suited up, the crew is filling the intercooler with dry ice. 5-8 minutes is the forecast.
SSS, If its possible could you get a pic of the intercooler that uses dry ice.
Thanks, Bill
Bill,
The intercooler tank sits below the seat of the ack attack.
goto the photo gallery and you can see how it was made and location, there are a ton of pictures there and you will have to sift thru them to find it. There are 700+ images there on the initial build. There have been changes but intercooler should not have changed.
http://www.landracing.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=114
JonAmo
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yes Glen we shoud have, you should have anyway your at least in the same state. Going to Gas up?
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Burkland car is running. That ATV is really fast compared to most that I've seen. It hauls.
Canopy is down, car is moving. You oughta see the way they set up the pit. I'll try to get photos of the organised cornfusion.
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Burkland car in second gear.
Through the nine mile.
Speeds: entry 389.375 kilo 403. mile 403 exit 417.172
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Little chute opened, big chute did not! Booking past the pits at about 100 (it looked like). Tom revving the dickens out of the motor trying to get into lower gear to stop it.
Darn near locked 'em up trying to stop. Stopped about a quarter mile from the zero. LOTS OF EXCITEMENT!
Got some photos. Engines still running in the car!
Looking on the course now for the parachute bag. Mormon Missile next in line.
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Good tune up run :-D
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Engines wouldn't shut down, so Tom waited -- then made the decision to stick a fire extinguisher into the air scoop, squeeze the trigger, and that stopped the engines.
Sure hope it was CO2 not powder!
Controlled mayhem down there -- I'm not going to pester just now.
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YeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :-D :-D :-D
I hope someone got video
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Thats not good.
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Manoman, if I woulda known in advance...I woulda had the video camera set up. I got a still shot of him going past -- will post it soon, but Goodfellow is in the Missile car and waiting to leave.
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Maybe a problem with the fuel shut off???
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I hooked the halon extinguisher in our truck up so it sprays inside the intake as well as both sides of the engine. So if we can't kill the engine, the halon will.
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I just got connected via the OSU net. I've been doing a whole lotta shots and editing this morning. I'm putting some of the shots on photobucket thing now.
Some stuff I've heard this morning...it might be redundant, but who knows? Poteet & Main are waiting for the UPS truck with some coils and other parts. They've built another layer onto the bulkhead behind the driver. They're gonna run a naturally aspirated motor...I think 2200cc and hope to break the record that Honda set with their $$$$ F1 car. If you didn't know that it had burned you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at the frame and motor compartment. They've done amazing work. Photo attached.
Wed am pics:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/wednesday_morning_shots/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/wednesday_morning_shots/)
Gotta run...Burkland just came down the track REAL fast. Stopped about 1/2 mile short of I-80. Couldn't shut the motors off. Sprayed CO2 or Halon in the intakes to shut it off. Got a lotta photos. Heard he ran over 400 exit speed. Didn't know I could jog for a quarter mile any more. Guess so. More later.
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Burkland crew is going to try to do the turnaround in the one hour -- issues and wasted time notwithstanding.
Mormon Missile engine is running, Lynn Goodfellow driving, heading this way in a minute.
Got some good photos of the Burkland car -- going by with small chute out, Tom walking the course to see the conditions he bounces and bumped along (and boyoboy, if that were me you'd see the brown stains at the rear of the firesuit -- not so with him).
Will post them after the Missile's run.
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Mormon Missile through the ten. Moving well.
Speeds: Entry: No speed -- car is reported to be moving slowly.
Don't forget that Sam Wheeler is waiting for his turn, already at the start line at the mountain.
Car is picking up speed.
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Through the eight,sounding good.
Speeds: entry 288 kilo 299.153 mile 296.415 exit (chute was out in the measured mile).
Rolling slowly at the four mile. Off course, heading for the dike, rolling slowly.
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Ed and Cris heading towards him, he's going about 45. Fire truck has arrived at the car. No issue -- safety.
No smoke. Returned to the course.
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Photos here:
Burkland going by our pickup at about a buck:
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Look carefully and you'll see Tom trying to stop it -- darn near to the dike/highway:
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ATV going to catch up to Tom, proceeding at full tilt boogie (by the way, when the fire truck went past us he WAS going faster than the ATV):
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Tom inspecting the track. Better man than I -- I'd be shaking so hard I could barely lie down, much less walk the course after that excitement. From here you'd see the large brown stain on the rear of the pants.
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411 car being towed back -- note the chute still bundled between the doors.
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Note the damaged paint/scrape near the bottom of the car:
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That's it for now. Tom Burkland says they're scrapping the return -- anut came off the end of a cable and that's why they couldn'tshut off the fuel. Shows you something about shutting off a hot engine -- doesn't need spark to keep running.
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Some Burkland shots. More later. Computer fighting with me.
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Wheeler is under way.
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Wheeler through the ten through the nine and sounding good.
Speeds: entry: 352.278 chute out in the middle of the timed mile.
DANG!
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Wow!!! great pics! must have been pretty sketchy :-o :-o
GO SAM!!!
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Wow, talk about excitement!!! Great shots guys and great reporting as well. Let's hope Tom Burkland and crew can get things sorted out and make some more runs. This has been the best week at work ever being able to sit here and get things done all the while getting minute to miute updates on all of the happenings at this great event! :cheers:
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Yes Slim I have raced the fire truck many times at bonneville. He's fast.
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Wheeler through the ten through the nine and sounding good.
Speeds: entry: 352.278 chute out in the middle of the timed mile.
DANG!
GO SAM ! ! ! ! ! ! !!
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darn darn darn darn darn darn darn for Sam, 352 entry... my guess is something happened to motor... They must have had to turn up the boost... However Sam is a very methodical person, if ANYTHING doesn't feel or sound right he WILL abort...
JonAmo
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YES!!! GO SAM GO,Darn it Hope he and bike is okay
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Wait 'til you see the other photos that Ray has! Dang -- black stripes where Tom locked 'em up. Ray is on the way to the car to take some more photos. Wheels are off the car. Checking fuel and such. All plugs out of the motor so they can do a check.
Mormon Missile has about a half-hour left in the turnaround time.
Sam's entry speed of 352 makes his run the third fastest bike run ever -- but he went off course and didn't trip the lights on the way out, so the run was aborted.
Winds are gently picking up. Temps are 70-73. Sunny and clear skies. DA is a little over 5000 feet rightnow.
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Nice pass Sam...I talk to rocky they broke a drive shaft. They have parts to fix it.
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Sam had to vere off course because he was on fire.. that is what the word is.
JonAmo
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Jon -- good to see you're still alive and back on the air. We were wondering. . .
Sam is going to ride down the course to see the track where he went off course (per the FM radio rightnow). Wants to see his tire tracks.
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Yes correct Hcarte, Ack Attack sheared off the main shaft on the front motor. They are putting in another motor as we speak.. They also took the rear doors off the liner,, Mike and Rocky felt this was causing the bike to handle poorly. The doors were off on the last pass for Ack, so now just dealing with front motor.
The picture of Burklands car with salt spray going by verifies the reports that when he was going by the pits at speed the streamliner was rocking back and forth and stopped very close the they dyke.
JonAmo
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Sam had to vere off course because he was on fire.. that is what the word is.
JonAmo
Little "A" gets the scoops first...Jon A are you sure you are not at Bonneville.. :-D
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Tom Burkland reports that he "clipped" a cone about the 4 1/2 -- called the officials to make sure it was removed from the course (in case it had bounded into the way). Radio reports that it was removed and repositioned.
Could be that's what chipped the paint on the underside (in the photo above).
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Thanks SSS, excellent reporting and I can't stop refreshing.....
JonAmo
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Missile is in position and engine is being lit.
Terry Kizer says that Sam went off course -- and they've got the same bad oil leak. No fire -- I saw the bike up close.
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This has been the best week at work ever being able to sit here and get things done all the while getting minute to miute updates on all of the happenings at this great event! :cheers:
Anyone have a sure fire method of getting old/used automotive grease/oil off of the keyboard/mouse?? :-D :?
Mike
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Missile is accelerating hard. "Like a missile" says Mike Cook.
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Mormon Missile is running, through the three. Looking good.
Through the four.
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Slim,
Have you ever "Seen" an alcohol fire... :-D
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In the mile
342.879 entry
334 kilo
mile 334.034
chute out at the seven.
Lots of white smoke coming out -- watching closely.
Is on fire. Roll fire truck.
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In the mile
342.879 entry
334 kilo
mile 334.034
chute out at the seven.
Lots of white smoke coming out -- watching closely.
Is on fire. Roll fire truck.
Nice speeds, hope he and the car are OK...
J
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SSS awesome job staying on top of things....
JonAmo
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Button tools on driver side of the car, near the roll cage.
What's the location? About the 8 1/2.
Fire 2 is rolling.
Keep your cool
All patrol leave enough space for emergency vehciels to get close to work. All patrols stay 100 feet or so back.
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Cris Shearer reports driver is out, has smoke on helmet, seems okay but give us a minute.
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In the mile
342.879 entry
334 kilo
mile 334.034
chute out at the seven.
Lots of white smoke coming out -- watching closely.
Is on fire. Roll fire truck.
Nice speeds, hope he and the car are OK...
J
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98 people watching online...come on you lurkers sign on... :cheers:
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Nothing new to report -- waiting to hear. Looks like fire is out for the most part, vehicle is reasonably okay, driver has some minor burns, not sure what they'll need to do with him.
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98 people watching online...come on you lurkers sign on... :cheers:
Just saw 112 a minute ago..Nice!
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I should be in the shop cleaning the bike but this is more important.
Slim, good job!
Sam
#6061/6062
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Sure is hard trying to keep up with honey do's and LSR, Love the job everyone is doing
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So I come up with the two way average at the mile of 315.224 and the Kilo 316.+
Any idea what the record was?
Speculating that they ran faster on run two that should set them up for a record?
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Murf, I don't think, from what I've heard, that the car will be able to make a return run.
Average Speeds:
kilo 315.861 mile 314.108
Those speeds will be new records pending approval and certification (this came over the radio while I was typing).
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Honey dos? I should just close the shop for the week, all the guys are in the office with me . Thanks Slim
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Deb, FIA speed avg's are calculated different the BNI.
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This sounds like it should begin with "This is Howard Cosell reporting from Bonneville-- just telling it like it is..." :-D
This is great on-the-spot reporting, guys!
Thanks, Neil Tucson, AZ
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Deb, FIA speed avg's are calculated different the BNI.
ahhh, I was wondering if there was some new math! :-D
Can you splain or is it too difficult?
Debbie
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number of times this private meet has been viewed 7988 and counting. Cool
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John N....good question regarding an alky fire.
Years ago on Herda's last run the only way that two fellows, on dirt bikes who were in the shutoff area,
had any idea the car was on fire was the heat waves above the car.
When they got to the car the fire had done its ultimate damage.
FREUD
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A little wheel hop, maybe?
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Any news on Sam and his Bike??
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Yes correct Hcarte, Ack Attack sheared off the main shaft on the front motor. They are putting in another motor as we speak.. They also took the rear doors off the liner,, Mike and Rocky felt this was causing the bike to handle poorly. The doors were off on the last pass for Ack, so now just dealing with front motor.
The picture of Burklands car with salt spray going by verifies the reports that when he was going by the pits at speed the streamliner was rocking back and forth and stopped very close the they dyke.
JonAmo
The Vincent streamliner twisted both main shafts in 1997 and twisted the rear engine main shaft in 2002. I increased the crank main shafts to 1 and 1/2 inches in 2004. Coupling two engines together is a major challenge.
Max
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A little wheel hop, maybe?
Great photo Ray!!!
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what I heard long ago was that Herda was breathing pure oxygen and that is what killed him.
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Methanol doesn't burn very hot (too hot for the driver!) and takes a while to ignite other material that will send off smoke. The methanol fire itself is invisible in the sun and only gives off a low blue flame even in the dark.
Oh yeah, Burkland with the front wheels off the ground over a hundred. Whoo Hoo!
Is Leo Hess going to run again?
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When the fire burned through the air line it destroyed his lungs.
FREUD
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I don't know if Leo will run again. Ohio State says they've got the motor returning tomorrow afternoon and hope to run Friday.
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Sam & RtR, if you guys keep up this style of instant reporting during World Finals, I either have to stay at home on the computer or buy a lap top so I can follow the action while being in the pits. Fantastic job!
Willi
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Skid marks and a very hot brake rotor from the Burkland run.
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Who is the farthest away from B'ville that's watching now?
England, NZ or AZ?
FREUD
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Willie you will hear it from me 1st at the WF if your CB works. :cheers:
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Who is the farthest away from B'ville that's watching now?
I live in a dream world. Does that count?
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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We all play with that deck.......
FreuD
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Who is the farthest away from B'ville that's watching now?
I live in a dream world. Does that count?
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
I live underground, Does that count?
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It's to far if we ain't there :? :-o
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i am at the center of the universe. does that count.
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Who is the farthest away from B'ville that's watching now?
England, NZ or AZ?
FREUD
Freud...
AriZona is not that far from Bonne... :-D
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Nice how we can all be there with Jon and Nancy's help and Rays pics nice job all around!!!!!
Pat
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What's the abbreviation for AUSTRALIA?
FREUD
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AU
OZ
OZ Fest, awe nevermind... :mrgreen:
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I am watching from the North of England, approx 6,000 miles away.
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Any up dates on Sam and Nish. What was the fire on the diesel liner?
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I am watching from the North of England, approx 6,000 miles away.
I must be about the same nr Oxford
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I think the purity monitor would censor saying DOWN UNDER.
guttley782, it's obvious that u are winning........
FREUD
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A little wheel hop, maybe?
Wow RTR, what a great shot of Burkland and the front wheels off the ground!!!
Pardon my ignorance, but what would cause the wheels to come off the ground like that? Heavy braking, causing wheel hop?
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I am watching from the North of England, approx 6,000 miles away.
Gabriel, add another 400 miles to my place 8-)
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In that area of shut down it's a little rough and cars will hop.
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Ray,
That is an awesome picture of the liner with the "wheels up" it would make a great desk top... :-D
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only a bump can lift THIS CAR so
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And Nancy and I are right here. Just got a tour of the Burkland transporter. We;'re heading to town for a couple of minutes -- everything is on hold for at least an hour -- likely 'til 3.30 PM Mountain time. Hess wants to run, Wheeler is hoping to find the oil leak, Burkland is having a meeting about what's next, Poteet/Main are waiting to run if the new parts get installed.
We'll be back soon.
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Any news on how Lynn is doing?
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I'm in the Midlands of England - great job by SSS and photographers. Just can't watch at work!
The FIA Diesel record would be the target that still stands in A - III - 10 to the Thermo King (235 mph and change). Has the Mormon Missile team achieved a new FIA mark? I seem to have missed a few pages since last night and during today? [If they take Andy's record then JCB may have to sell some more back hoe diggers and mount a new challenge].
Malcolm UK
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"Willie you will hear it from me 1st at the WF if your CB works."
Glen, CB? Now, that's real old school technology - all kidding aside, I'm looking forward to hearing your familiar voice again!
Willi
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Pardon my ignorance, but what would cause the wheels to come off the ground like that? Heavy braking, causing wheel hop?
Under heavy braking, and it was HEAVY braking, the first good bump starts a pitch and yaw motion that is evidenced by this picture. Notice the gap where NONE of the wheels were on the ground. And the freeway comes at you fast! This picture would have been better in the other direction to show that enormous highway berm that is GOING to stop you.
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4720.0;attach=6665;image)
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Willie, I can talk faster then I can type :roll:
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Any news on how Lynn is doing?
Prayers needed. Just read on another board they he has burns and they air lifted him to the hospital.
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Hey, Ray I would like to buy the largest photo you can make of Burklands wheel hopping pic. Please don't say no can do. Thanx, Mike R.
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How come you made the decision not to go then Max?
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Do u suppose there are any gearheads on the Space Station?
Anyone in the Houston area know how to get an e-mail to them?
That would be a first. A post from the Space Station.
This thread has had 8400 hits in 3 days. Good traffic.
FREUD
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Do u suppose there are any gearheads on the Space Station?
Noonan's from Mars, does that count?
122 viewing!
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Dean, are you saying that Noonan is a space case. :evil:
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Do u suppose there are any gearheads on the Space Station?
Noonan's from Mars, does that count?
122 viewing!
Atleast we all know you are from you're anus
:-D
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As fantastic as it is having this thread to follow, and Jon's superb commentary, over here it is getting late, so I wish all the best for the rest of today, and will catch up tomorrow! Hope the guy who got burned is ok.
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Who was it that got burned?
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Who was it that got burned?
The driver of the Mormon Missile..
Thanks for the clarification..
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I have a question regarding Ack's first run and Sam's run outside the lights. When Ack made his first run, the helicopter appeared to be directly over the course or right next to it. The liner was blown off course by a sudden gust of wind right about that time. I don't recall the wind blowing right then but it did blow off and on all day. It backed up from the course a little bit on subsequent runs and just hovered about 30 off the Salt. Did anyone notice where it was when Sam ran? I'd hate to see anybody get hurt from someone just trying to get a better look. Wayno
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Who was it that got burned?
The driver of the Mormon Meteor
It was the Mormon Missile to avoid any confusion . Lynn Goodfellow
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Who was it that got burned?
The driver of the Mormon Meteor
Lynn Goodfellow with his Mormon Missile, he got air lifted to the burn center ... prayers for him !!!
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Who was it that got burned?
The driver of the Mormon Meteor
It was the Mormon Missile to avoid any confusion . Lynn Goodfellow
Doh,
Thanks for the clarification.. :cheers:
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A little wheel hop, maybe?
Wow RTR, what a great shot of Burkland and the front wheels off the ground!!!
Pardon my ignorance, but what would cause the wheels to come off the ground like that? Heavy braking, causing wheel hop?
As Glen said, the course is pretty rough at that area. Also, I could hear him downshifting like crazy, using compression braking to slow down. I don't know if my shots convey just how close it came to being real unpleasant. When he went by me and I got the shot of the salt spray (I wasn't all that far from the course...but far enough to be out of harm's way) I figger he was still doing 70-80 mph. He got stopped in a little less than a quarter mile from that point...'course I'm estimating so I could be off by...well, whatever.
I think it was the combination of the downshifting and the rough surface and the heavy braking (as Dean mentioned) that caused it. He was REALLY cookin when he came back into the pit area. The first thing outta my mouth (I even surprised myself when I heard myself saying it) was "holy shit! He got stopped." I don't think I was any body more surprised than Tom Burkland. I'm glad it didn't go any further. I couldn't have jogged much more. :) Seriously, I'm happy for the whole Burkland team that it got stopped in time.
I'll have some photos of the Mormon Missle turnaround thrash on photobucket shortly...which reminds me. Is anyone having trouble seeing the images there? I got an email from one guy (who can't see my web server, chevyasylum.com) and he said he couldn't see my photos on photobucket, either:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/)
Please let me know if there are problems with that link.
RtR
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Who was it that got burned?
The driver of the Mormon Meteor
It was the Mormon Missile to avoid any confusion . Lynn Goodfellow
Doh,
Thanks for the clarification.. :cheers:
Here ya go with a photo of him strapped in just before the return run.
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No problems on my end with photobucket. Some people may have a problem with their pop-up settings.
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I do not post here often but been to the salt many times. This week has been awesome. Thanks for the site, we appreciate it TONS.
Thoughts and prayers for Lynn.
Jim
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Ray,
The pics are great and can be viewed without any problems, is he trying to view through a protected network...like at work..?
J
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Thanks Jon for the site.
SkipH
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Ray, works here in St. Geo, thanks
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If a heliocrapter caused a problem it wouldn't have been the first time...When will they ever learn....
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They were a problem at speed week as well JD
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I remember when the "Wide World of Sports" fanned the flames on Lorenzo Bandini (Monaco, 1964?) and burnt him to a crisp.
If there is propwash on the course some one should make an offer they can't refuse.
If a heliocrapter caused a problem it wouldn't have been the first time...When will they ever learn....
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Mormon Missile turnaround thrash and return launch:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/)
Thanks all for the photobucket feedback. Glad to hear it's workin for others.
RtR
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I can view the Awesome pic's in CA :cheers:
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Any news on how Lynn is doing?
Prayers needed. Just read on another board they he has burns and they air lifted him to the hospital.
what other board?
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Thanks for the insite guys and very glad that Burkland was able to get that sucker stopped!!! Any word on whether or not they will be able to run again?
Also, any word on Nish. I've heard everything from a cylinder head was sent back to SLC, to that their finished for the year. I see in the RTR's photos that they are still on the salt.
My thoughts and prayers go out to Lynn Goodfellow on a speedy recovery.
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What other board?
I'd like to know too. I've searched Google and Google News, and looked through the Google Blogs search results and found nothing recent.
Ray, your images are showing up just fine now. Thanks for all you're doing for us.
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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Any news on how Lynn is doing?
Prayers needed. Just read on another board they he has burns and they air lifted him to the hospital.
what other board?
MDE who posted it here, also posted it on our Duramax board.
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Ray,
watch you health out there - we love this stuff!!!
Mormon Missile turnaround thrash and return launch:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/)
Thanks all for the photobucket feedback. Glad to hear it's workin for others.
RtR
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Got news from Curtis (driver from yesterdays record with the Mormon Missile)
Just 1st and 2nd burns on hand and face, nothing else ... helicopter landed in burn center, I believe in SLC
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Got news from Curtis (driver from yesterdays record with the Mormon Missile)
Just 1st and 2nd burns on hand and face, nothing else ... helicopter landed in burn center, I believe in SLC
Thanks for the update Voker.
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...our Duramax board.
A Google search for the phrase "Duramax board" nets 153 matches. Care to be just a little bit more specific?
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3A*%3AIE-Address&rlz=1I7ADBF&q=duramax+forum (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3A*%3AIE-Address&rlz=1I7ADBF&q=duramax+forum)
Mike
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Just 1st and 2nd burns on hand and face, nothing else
If you've ever been burned there is no such thing as "just" 1st & 2nd degree burns. Really painful. My hopes for a speedy recovery. The burns on the hand may prevent further driving.
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I'm in live contact with Curtis, driver from yesterdays LSR in Mormon Missle. I do the tuning for this car from my office desk ... busy busy ...
D-Max sites: www.Duramaxdiesels.com and www.dieselplace.com
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How about just posting a link to the specific thread?
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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How come you made the decision not to go then Max?
I've already explained why on this thread.
Max
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I'm in live contact with Curtis, driver of yesterdays LSR with Mormon Missile ... I do the tuning from my desk at home ...
D-Max boards: www.duramaxdiesels.com and www.dieselplace.com
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How about just posting a link to the specific thread?
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=98
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http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2867573&posted=1#post2867573
http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?p=108722&posted=1#post108722
better :cheers:
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http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2867573&posted=1#post2867573
http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?p=108722&posted=1#post108722
better :cheers:
Top one requires you to register to view...
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Just 1st and 2nd burns on hand and face, nothing else
If you've ever been burned there is no such thing as "just" 1st & 2nd degree burns. Really painful. My hopes for a speedy recovery. The burns on the hand may prevent further driving.
True but when "burns" and "airlifted to the burn center" are the preliminary reports I have to admit that I was relieved to hear they were just 1st and 2nd degree burns on a limited amount of his body. But, to address the second point, I was unfortunate enough to get 2nd and 3rd degree burns on my entire left palm and all my fingers when I was younger and I will back up your really painful description.
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Even when I just try to visit a forum I don't get any respect.
When I go to the DieselPlace thread, it tells me:
You do not have permission to access this page. This is due to one of the following reasons:
1: You are not wearing a red hat (good) or a blue hat (better).
2: Mr. Noonan did not put you on the guest list.
3: Our system has detected that you are not in southern California.
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Thats some funny stuff there ^ ^ :roll:
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Try this
http://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7916
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Just stick with the site that does not require you to log in... :mrgreen:
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Just 1st and 2nd burns on hand and face, nothing else
If you've ever been burned there is no such thing as "just" 1st & 2nd degree burns. Really painful. My hopes for a speedy recovery. The burns on the hand may prevent further driving.
True but when "burns" and "airlifted to the burn center" are the preliminary reports I have to admit that I was relieved to hear they were just 1st and 2nd degree burns on a limited amount of his body. But, to address the second point, I was unfortunate enough to get 2nd and 3rd degree burns on my entire left palm and all my fingers when I was younger and I will back up your really painful description.
Absolutely agree with you, broken bones and bruises are healed fast, burns takes forever, if even it will heal. Good luck to Lynn for fast andpainless recovery!!!
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And speaking of viewing and not logging in, RatCliff is viewing right now and thinking aloud to himself:
You know if Burklands car had a prop and with his horsepower I have calculated he would run over 1000mph!
Bah; no one ever listens to me except myself..isn't that right self? yes Franklin you are right as usual! :roll:
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Being a newbie here, I do not the rules for posting links to external sites and did not want to cause a problem :cheers:
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Any news as to the Birkland's return today? Hope the Missle Driver has a speedy recovery. It'd be terrifiying to be in close quarters with fire around you and trying to bring things to a halt. Yikes!!!
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Kat, not a problem, glad you are on board and a caring person, enjoy the LSR site. :-)
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This was published on the Deseret News site:
Man traveling 350 mph burned in accident
A man suffered second and third-degree burns on his arms and face this afternoon while traveling an estimated 350 mph on the Bonneville Salt Flats. He was driving a Streamliner when the back of the car caught fire, said Mike Cook with the Salt Flats. The driver, Lynn Goodfellow, was flown to University Burn Center by medical helicopter. Cook shared little other information about the incident Wednesday, but noted the car did not crash. How it caught fire, however, was still being investigated.
Source: http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700261440,00.html
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Any news as to the Birkland's return today? Hope the Missle Driver has a speedy recovery. It'd be terrifiying to be in close quarters with fire around you and trying to bring things to a halt. Yikes!!!
Tom has missed out on the FIA one hour turn around for the return record attempt, I would assume that there is either damage or could not get it ready in time with the chute failure??
Anyone have any current info...?
J
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Lynn's burns shows the importance of having the wall between you and a fuel source sealed. I am NOT familiar with his vehicle but on each streamliner and lakester I look at I line to stick my head every where I can in the driver compartment looking back for light shining in from the engine compartment. We still do some liners in their trailers where the sun can't help us.
We add air for the driver hoping to pressurize the compartment but in a fire in an engine compartment the air is expanding looking for a place to go and any gap to the driver can be dangerous. I hope this was not the case here and I hope he can recover. A lot of my friends were involved in a steam explosion many years ago and recoverytime was long and slow......JD
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Thanks for the insite guys and very glad that Burkland was able to get that sucker stopped!!! Any word on whether or not they will be able to run again?
Also, any word on Nish. I've heard everything from a cylinder head was sent back to SLC, to that their finished for the year. I see in the RTR's photos that they are still on the salt.
My thoughts and prayers go out to Lynn Goodfellow on a speedy recovery.
I talked with Mike Nish this morning and he told me that they were through. Take that for what it's worth. Things may change, but that's the last thing I heard.
They're still here but the car's in the trailer...it was out earlier this morning when I shot this:
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I think Tom would have to ran a 425 mph to made a return run for the record??? or was he even in the ballpark with 417 ? Whats the wheel driven FIA record?
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Whats hapening with Sam?
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I suggested some years back about adding burst panels to streamliners and lakesters with total enclosed bodies to vent the pressure when there is a major engine explosion. It was shot down. I still think they would help.
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I suggested some years back about adding burst panels to streamliners and lakesters with total enclosed bodies to vent the pressure when the is a major engine explosion. It was shot down.
Yes, but didn't you also suggest that the property at Wendover's "bend in the road" be used to build a new Hooters?
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Ray,
watch you health out there - we love this stuff!!!
Mormon Missile turnaround thrash and return launch:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/)
Thanks all for the photobucket feedback. Glad to hear it's workin for others.
RtR
Thanks, David. Surprisingly enough, I'm doing pretty good. I surprised myself by being able to jog out to the Burkland car without anything more serious than some shortness of breath.
Speakin of jogging, exercise, etc...a new form of sport has been invented...I think.
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Lynn's burns shows the importance of having the wall between you and a fuel source sealed. I am NOT familiar with his vehicle but on each streamliner and lakester I look at I line to stick my head every where I can in the driver compartment looking back for light shining in from the engine compartment. We still do some liners in their trailers where the sun can't help us.
We add air for the driver hoping to pressurize the compartment but in a fire in an engine compartment the air is expanding looking for a place to go and any gap to the driver can be dangerous. I hope this was not the case here and I hope he can recover. A lot of my friends were involved in a steam explosion many years ago and recoverytime was long and slow......JD
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Thanks for a great job guys and gals. Unfortunately I can't get anything done in the shop, this is too exciting.
Howard
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Dave, That was Dan W. that wanted the Hooters until his wife heard about, now you know the rest of the story. :evil:
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Ray, you can find the golf balls easier if they are orange :cheers:
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Like all the others, fascinating to watch events unfold with the blow by blow reporting it is hard to walk away from the computer.
Best wishes on the burn recovery, and hope The Burkland's can get everything sorted for another run.
I would assume they are looking closely at that cooked disk brake rotor, and that might be good cause to pass on the return run. As late in the day as it is now, probably better to use the remaining time to check on things and look into the engine miss reported earlier in the thread.
Thumbs up on the coverage for all involved, and great pictures Rat!
Waiting with anticipation for the next installments.
Larry
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Noonan, Ray the Rat and the other rat are not related :roll: :cheers:
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Yes, we're still alive and kicking. There's a lot of waiting going on right now -- waiting for this and that. I hear that the leo Hess Kuryakyn bike is waiting to make a run -- it's not here in the pits. Ohio State has got repairs being done on their hurt electric motor - is planning putting the car back to gether tomorrow and running Friday morning.
Sam Wheeler and bike are in the pits with the cover off the bike, Ack Attack is in the pits with the cover off the bike.
Ray Buck is in front of our pickjup taking a photo a photo of me waving at him.
Nish is getting ready to put the car IN the trailer (to go back to SLC, I presume. Burkland car is in the pit with covers off -- though I know that Tom likes making late-in-the-day runs, so maybe they're just hanging around and doing work. By the way, Betty gave Nancy and me a tour of their hauler/RV and the trailer. Gee, what a nice way to go racin'. Seating for three in the Freightliner, sleeping for three, too. Water heater, shower & potty, 'fridge and freezer, NO air conditioning (those Montanans are tough!). The trailer is about as slick as you'd expect from a class operation like the Burklands, too -- everything is there -- compressor, grinder, drill press, room for the race car and the custom push truck, and on and on.
Super.
OK, I hear that Leo is getting ready to run within ten - fifteen minutes. I'll post this and get ready to let you know what's happening. Tell your bosses that you've gotta go back to important stuff. I hear a "five minute warning" on the FM.
Speaking of that, thanks to Mike Cook for giving us the FM. It makes it easier for us to keep up. I've had to pay for it, though -- I'm the pit area course worker -- chasing people around to make sure everyone is out of the way before a run.
Post it, Jon!
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Noonan, Ray the Rat and the other rat are not related :roll: :cheers:
I know that, it is obvious...we like what this "Rat" has to say..(and show).
J
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Leo Hess is in the bike. Canopy is closed. Engine is running, bike is under way. Running from the mountain towards the pits at the highway.
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Noonan, Ray the Rat and the other rat are not related
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I was complementing RaytheRat, I have no clue who "the other rat" would be, hard to keep all the handles and real names straight without a program.
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Oh I get it ---- Ratliff
Larry
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Rope is released, bike is under power.
Vehicle is slowing.
Engine is running, waiting for the crew to catch up for something or other.
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While I wait -- Glen, we were thinking about the Ohio State guy that was hitting the golf balls. Being that I'm not from OSU -- we wonder about the value of all that education -- then hitting a white ball on the white salt and wondering why it can't be seen.
Ray has photoshopped the balls now to make them more visible in the photos.
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Well i'm still pi**ed that I'm home picking apples. However, this is the next best thing to being there. i do get turkey and chicken skin just reading the stuff. Any one who is there is getting the thrill of a lifetime. Hope it happens again and we can participate. Have to step up to the plate pretty big time I know. But if that's what it takes!
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While I wait -- Glen, we were thinking about the Ohio State guy that was hitting the golf balls. Being that I'm not from OSU -- we wonder about the value of all that education -- then hitting a white ball on the white salt and wondering why it can't be seen.
Ray has photoshopped the balls now to make them more visible in the photos.
So what you are saying is Ray took someone else's balls and added color so they would be easier to "see"...hmmmm :-o
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Mike Cook is on the FM -- scratchy, but I think I understood him to say that the meet is officially called for the day.
Bike is a turn out and that's the last attempt for the day.
By the way, Mike asked that I let you folks know that he's arranged this meet to begin at 7AM daily. He's got the fire and ambulance crews on duty at 7, and the crews all know that they are allowed to start preparing to run at first decent light. The salt opens at five or six -- so everyone that wants to run can start as early as he wants to run.
I'm going to mosey around the pits now and make sure all crews know that the event is done for the day, then I'l come back and answer any questions that arise while I'm off the internet. Ask away -- I'll try to answer 'em.
Oh one thing I oughta report: Nancy and I are going to leave the Salt tomorrow afternoon and head it home for a few days. Ray Buck has agreed to remain here and take photos and post reports (as long as OSU keeps their wi-fi up and running and available to him). We've got to go home to wind the cats, put out the waterbed, and do a few things -- before we leave the house on Friday the 3rd to fly out to SLC for WF.
Late word on Lynn Goodfellow: He's in the hospital in SLC and has suffered some serious burns to the back of his right hand, maybe the left one, too.
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What a bummer. My DSL was down for about three hours. Lots of catching up to do when I finally got back on. Slim, you are doing a great job. We all appreciate it.
The helicopter issue is not new, I don't know what they are thinking when the are above a race car. This caused Gordon Hoyt's Modified Roadster to crash several years ago. I know people like to get close up shots, but helicopters should not be allowed within 50 yards of the course. Just my opinion.
Tom
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Our thoughts and prayers are with Lynn while he is recovering
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Jon W, Ray and Jon "A"
Thanks for the great reports and the time you are giving to LSR coverage.!!
John
PS, I thought this meet was sponsored by TOP 1 oil? If so you should change the name so that they can get more media hits and possibly continue to sponsor these type of events..?
J
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I know people like to get close up shots, but helicopters should not be allowed within 50 yards of the course. Just my opinion.
The organizers could call the FAA and request a restriction or minimum altitude near the course for safety !
Larry
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While I wait -- Glen, we were thinking about the Ohio State guy that was hitting the golf balls. Being that I'm not from OSU -- we wonder about the value of all that education -- then hitting a white ball on the white salt and wondering why it can't be seen.
Ray has photoshopped the balls now to make them more visible in the photos.
So what you are saying is Ray took someone else's balls and added color so they would be easier to "see"...hmmmm :-o
I'd like to take a moment to state categorically that I did NOT examine that gentleman's balls. As I edited the photograph, it became obvious that the GOLF BALL was yellow. I don't believe it was a case of yellow salt (or snow), either.
I'm outta here to head for the motel to complete the photo editing for today. I'll be back on line when I get there...I don't know if that's good news or bad news...or for whom.
RtR
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Noonan, Ray the Rat and the other rat are not related :roll: :cheers:
I know that, it is obvious...we like what this "Rat" has to say..(and show).
J
I used to own the McDonald's franchise in Saigon, hence the nickname. However, Pat works just as well.
Seriously, when I started dragracing motorcycles back in the 1970's they were junkyard specials held together by hose clamps, JB Weld and duct tape, so the standard insult was to call me McRat instead of McSwain. After I whooped their buts (sic), I kept the nickname as a badge of honor. ;)
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Thanks Slim, Ray, Et Al, for another days worth of excellent coverage. :cheers:
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Thanks Slim, Ray, Et Al, for another days worth of excellent coverage. :cheers:
+1. Thanks much.
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Hey we like all the rats!
McRat, RaytheRat, and Noonan!
Are you sure that was a golf ball and not Noonan's head?
And thanks to everyone for great coverage. The huge gaps in info for Speed Week and Bub were tough to take.
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Yeah but we had 500 entries, this one has about 10 big difference to cover. Dean next time you are at speed week visit the timing trailer and see what it takes to handle 2 or 3 courses 12 hours a day for a week. Slim , Ray the rat and others do a great job and we love it. I agree on the WOS it took forever to get the times.
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Pat,
Thanks for the cool pictures and info..
J
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Yeah but we had 500 entries, this one has about 10 big difference to cover.
Amen there. I watched El Mirage last month with only 87 entries and it's a bunch of work.
I wasn't so much complaining about that as I was amazed, thrilled, speechless, (maybe not so much), blown away, and based on the number of views, so was everyone else about what is going on here.
More! More!! More!!!
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Yeah but we had 500 entries, this one has about 10 big difference to cover.
Amen there. I watched El Mirage last month with only 87 entries and it's a bunch of work.
I wasn't so much complaining about that as I was amazed, thrilled, speechless, (maybe not so much), blown away, and based on the number of views, so was everyone else about what is going on here.
More! More!! More!!!
Dean,
I was surprised you did not bring out your streetluge during the World of Speed event last week :wink:
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Well done Slim ... good job by all ... this is a good as it gets without being there ... Joe
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This topic has been read: "Read 9352 times".....
Very impressive......and bet it will make 10K+ before its all said and done.
It hurts me to read this thread.....I almost feel like I should be there trying to help out anyway I could with the broken rides.
-JH
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Dam hellis should not be alowed any closer than 1000' vertical---2500' horizontal---down wind only!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The coverage has been great, my thanks to everyone there and their great reporting. If everyone would show their thanks by going to that little box in the lower left corner of the home page and send a few bucks it would help assure that this kind of coverage can happen again. I know how JonW hates to ask for money :roll: so I thought I would do it for him. I love this stuff.
Fred
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Lynn car after the incident, which I received a few minutes ago:
(http://mde.cc/cd/lynn.jpg).
(http://mde.cc/cd/lynn1.jpg)
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Pictures didn't open
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oops, double hit
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Same here in Mt. Thanks for all the work everyone has done to get as close to being there as we can :cheers:
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Pictures didn't open
Try that: http://picasaweb.google.com/vsc.mde/Lynn#
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(http://lh5.ggpht.com/vsc.mde/SNrX_S2NqTI/AAAAAAAABsE/F4BqfEMO9Vg/s912/1.jpg)
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/vsc.mde/SNrYAigAFeI/AAAAAAAABsM/E8Qwccch15E/s912/2.jpg)
Here they are.
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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Here they are.
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
No they aren't. Wayno
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MDE, what was the cause of the fire, a oil leak or other?
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(http://lh5.ggpht.com/vsc.mde/SNrX_S2NqTI/AAAAAAAABsE/F4BqfEMO9Vg/s912/1.jpg)
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/vsc.mde/SNrYAigAFeI/AAAAAAAABsM/E8Qwccch15E/s912/2.jpg)
Here they are.
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
Here are a couple of photos of the Missile while in the trailer and being gone over by SCTA inspectors:
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That guy in the white shirt is my dad!
update on Lynn: He's doing well and his family is with him.
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Thank you for the update
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That guy in the white shirt is my dad!
update on Lynn: He's doing well and his family is with him.
Thanks for the update & please everyone keep the updates on Lynn coming whether we think to ask or not.
We all care and are praying for a swift and full recovery.
Debbie
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Times 3 on the update.
I'm happy he is doing well and hoping for a speedy recovery.
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That guy in the white shirt is my dad!
update on Lynn: He's doing well and his family is with him.
Kool! Yer dad's famous now! :)
Thanks for the update on Lynn. He's in my thoughts and prayers.
RtR
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Glad to see that he's doing well. Kudos to all who keep this thread going. I feel like a blindman being fed by caring friends. Thanks for taking care of all of those without the ability to see it personally. We live it vicariously through your eyes and ears. Without you, we would have to get our information from the mainstream media who's only interest is something that involves a ball of some kind or some act of violence. Thanks from all who have followed this thread. Doug
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Glad to hear Lynn is doing ok
Gary DCWATERJET Z
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This topic has been read: "Read 9352 times".....
Very impressive....
-JH
Don't let numbers fool you. It could just be the same 200 people reading the thread 10 times a day, for their fix.
LOL. I am one of them.
Tom G.
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Question - Was Sam able to make a second run this afternoon
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Don't take this as the gospel truth, but I think Sam Wheeler started a run but shut down early. It was either that or he got to the mountain end of the course and decided not to run...maybe because of wind...I dunno...but he didn't make a full 2nd run.
And...here's the photobucket album of day 2 of the Speed Demon's rebuild by the Poteet and Main crew. Man! These guys have the frame and inside of the liner looking like there never was any fire. The body skin on the other hand...well, it's still crispy on the outside (soft and chewy on the inside? Don't go there. I must be gettin tired...I'm even goofier than normal.)
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/Poteet-Main_repairs%20_Wed/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/Poteet-Main_repairs%20_Wed/)
RtR
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To RaytheRat, Thanks
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J. R. and I just got home. What an awesome day. Great people, great excitement. My 6 year old son has a BUNCH of new heroes. Tom Burkland, Rocky, Cris Shearer, Mike Cook, Jr, and Dan Warner. What a great bunch of people taking time from their busy day to make a little guy feel special. Special thanks also to the Top 1 people and the Ack crew. They are an awesome bunch.
I overheard that Burklands had a valve seat move so they were going to pull the head and run to Strasburg's tonight and have it repaired. Whispers were in the wind that Sam might be done. One of Terry's crew said that a lifter was stuck in the bore and they might have broken the cam. That was why they called it done. I overheard the Goodfellow crew saying the fire got between the top of the body and the top of the cage and just enveloped him. The windscreen is warped and cracked, the racepak guage cluster is melted, basically the entire upper driver's compartment and the top rear of the body is badly scorched.Someone said his fresh air hose melted and he breathed in a bunch of smoke. I think we all should say a big thanks to the man upstairs that Lynn Goodfellow is still with us. It very easily could have been a very tragic day.
But wow, Tom's run has got to be in my top two or three of all time. Not only for the fact of his excellent job of getting it whoaed, but the fact it was the first time my boy watched a car go by him at over 400 MPH.
Wish I could say I was going tomorrow also, but work beckons so I will be back on refresher status when I get home. Take care all. Nite...
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Here is a brief update on Lynn Goodfellow's Mormon Missle.
I finished the record certification to the satisfaction of the USAC rep, Dave Petreli, about 8 PM this evening. One car, two records(same class), two drivers in the 300 MPH Chapter of the Bonneville 200 MPH Club. Curtis set the record to 308 yesterday and Lynn pushed the record to 315 before his incident. I had the honor of presenting Curtis Halverson his blue hat on the salt. I gave a blue hat and a couple of shirts to Lynn's friend Dave who lives in Park City, he will stop by to see Lynn tomorrow. I heard today that George Poteet gave a blue hat to Lynn's friend Paul Green who left the salt to be with Lynn. Something to hang on the IV bottle.
I called Mike Cook as I was leaving the salt to let him know that the certification was completed only to find out that Mike was just arriving at the hospitle to check on Lynn. I would like everyone know that there is no other person who cares about LSR and the participants than Mike Cook. Trust me when I tell you that Mike will be back on the salt by 6:30 tomorrow morning in order to complete this event and he will personally see that each participant has every chance to accomplish their goals.
I feel honored to be a part of this historic event and be associated with these fine people,
DW
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Great post Dan... thanks for letting us know that about all that.
My refresh button finger and eyes are both tired so it's time to call it a nite.... this is the next best thing, but sure wish it was from rubbing the salt out of my eyes though. :-D
Todd
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Dan, I remember when as a 17 year old racer, maybe 18. Mike was the fastest ever in an open wheeled car. I know he still has the fotos and he has just built from there.
Yep, that Kid grew into a strong man in the World of LSR.
He respects everyones dreams and does all he can to help them achieve them.
CONGRATULATIONS Mike.
FREUD
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Dam hellis should not be alowed any closer than 1000' vertical---2500' horizontal---down wind only!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Necklace truckstop right Sparky!...there was a chopper at Gairdner a few years back and it ruins the best part of being at the start line. When you can't hear the engine note all the way through the traps a lot of the vibe is gone.....so Sparky I can only assume you're sitting up in front of the computer wearing a blue baseball cap?
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LOL---Dam---on top of everthing else you are a phrophet with mental iminagining capabilities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/1i1i1i/YeahbuddiewelcometotheAAclub.jpg)
I think this was Just after we ran 256 at Bonneville one year...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/1i1i1i/256mphpic.jpg)
Dan rocks ! ! !
PS, he rolls also after a few.. :cheers: :-D
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Hi there folks,
let me say thanks to all who made this wonderful tread possible.
I'm reading from The Netherlands and was hoping The Nishes got some luck this time...maybe next time its a tough sport.
Loving speed and racing I will follow the updates on the others closely.
Wish it was more easy to follow landspeed events from here.
Thanks again,
Rudi
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I'm just about to leave the motel after a long day yesterday and a short nite last nite....but I finished two photobucket albums: the Burkland thing, including the high-speed, hard braking blast thru the pits and the stop that came WAY too close to the I-80 end of the course (imo)...it happened to quickly to be scary, but it was sure intense for about 5 minutes according to the time stamps on my photos:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/burkland_wed_runs/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/burkland_wed_runs/)
The other album is the Mormon Missile's runs, including the turnaround thrash just before the run that ended in flames and then some shots of the car while in the trailer and being examined by SCTA inspectors:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/)
The PB album list is here:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/
I'm outta here (motel, that is) and on my way to the salt.
Ray the (very tired) Rat
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I'm just about to leave the motel after a long day yesterday and a short nite last nite....but I finished two photobucket albums: the Burkland thing, including the high-speed, hard braking blast thru the pits and the stop that came WAY too close to the I-80 end of the course (imo)...it happened to quickly to be scary, but it was sure intense for about 5 minutes according to the time stamps on my photos:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/burkland_wed_runs/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/burkland_wed_runs/)
The other album is the Mormon Missile's runs, including the turnaround thrash just before the run that ended in flames and then some shots of the car while in the trailer and being examined by SCTA inspectors:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/ (http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/)
The PB album list is here:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/
I'm outta here (motel, that is) and on my way to the salt.
Ray the (very tired) Rat
Thanks a lot for your great pics. I really appreciate your Mormon Missile update, especially I can't be there this week. I was at home and the help desk for electrical engine issues the whole two weeks, and did some SW-changes also some new tune-ups that they reached 315 MPH record ... you see my sticker on the missiles trailer called MDE MCSCH .... :wink:
again: good job ...
Thanks again, and great job!!!!
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Can anybody say for sure that Sam's out due to engine problems that can't be fixed? Did Ack get a new bullet in the bike? Will he be running today? Has Leo Hess broken anything that can't be fixed? Will he be giving it another try today?
I'd like to run Speed Week this next year, but for me to run SCTA it would require a rule change of the wheel base rule for Side Car Streamliner. The Vincent streamliner has run 275 mph with the car attached, and rider Hartmut Weidelich reported it was very stable. Who do I talk to about getting the rule changed? Is this change possible?
Will the Shootout be repeated next year? If Black Lightning ain't broke I'll be there for sure, for sure, for sure.
Max
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The Ack crew were finishing up the engine change yesterday when we left. Sam had a few problems including an oil leak. I heard a few people saying they thought he would put it away. Hope he gets it fixed and runs again. I never did hear why Leo Hess turned out early. They barely got back when we left.
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Ack Attack broke a main shaft in front engine.
Engine has been replaced. Should be able to run today.
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Ack Attack broke a main shaft in front engine.
Engine has been replaced. Should be able to run today.
Ehhhhhxcellent. Go Rocky!
Hope Sam gets his bike back in the mix.
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Hope everyone that's able, gets back out there today. Safety first (roving reporters and fotogs included please!!!).
Come on Leo.. one good pass and someone call me on the phone so I can hear it :-D
Todd
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Update on Lynn from his family. This email was sent to Volker (MDE) and shared publically:
e-mail From Kurt Goodfellow:
Hello,
Just a note to let everyone know that as of midnight on Wednesday, dad’s doing just fine. For those who don’t know, he suffered some pretty serious burns on his hands and the lower part of his face this afternoon when his streamliner caught fire as he was finishing his last world record run at 342 MPH. The investigators confirm that the radiator cap blew off and the Evan’s coolant (an expensive racing coolant) ignited once it reached the exhaust system. This sent a flame into the cockpit through a small crack as it melted the canopy seal. We had no idea that this coolant was flammable. His fire suppression system was apparently ineffective against this type of flame. But his firesuit was very effective. Everything in his cockpit was melted. We feel very blessed that he was watched over. Anyway, he’s in UMC in Salt Lake , and he’s doing fine. His face looks pretty good, no need for bandages, mostly 1st degree. His hands are covered with bandages, but the doctor says there is no nerve or muscle damage. He’s able to move his hands and fingers just fine. The worst thing is that they have put an oxygen tube into his throat to make sure his lungs are ok, and he can’t talk. It’s driving him crazy!
Anyway, I’ll try to keep everyone up to date, but for now he’s doing well. You can go to www.landracing.com (http://www.landracing.com), where there are lots of pictures. Just go to “ray the rats pictures and go to the albums marked “mormon missile”
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What a great thread. Bad part is me having to stop to check on the updates. Lunch at the computer. A quick note regarding Dan's comments about Mike Cook. Mike worked with me when I bought their Lakester. He was honest, informative and when he found out about my daughter and her heart problems compassionate, supportive and one very special person to not only myself but my family. At each meet he has taken the time to visit with me and always checks on the status of my daughter. He is one very original guy married to a wonderful lady who herself had some serious health problems. If you ever get a chance, visit with him out on the salt. You won't meet a finer person than Mike Cook.
Dave Haller #93
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Apparently the fire in the Goodfellow liner was coolant. It was mentioned earlier that there was a 26 gallon capacity and yesterday they were trying to find out how much was left in the system as the liner was being loaded into the transporter. Speculation is the coolant sprayed, the fine spray vaporized and the flash fire was nasty. Someone said the stuff will ignite at around 230 degrees. Another comment was that it's chemically similar to cooking oil.
Most racing organizations have banned anti-freeze as a coolant. They require competitors to use water. I'm sure there will be some serious discussion at the safety committee and rules committee about this during the next few months.
The medics cut Goodfellow's fire suit off him and I was told it looked scorched over most of the exterior. They transferred him to another ambulance at the truck stop and I'm sure the helicopter from the U hospital met them at one of the cross overs along I-80 on the way to SLC. He was moving his hands and apparently responding to questions as I drove by on my way to Marcello's for lunch. Wes Hutchins held me up at the end of the access road for the ambulance to get onto the asphalt.
Burklands were taking a head and whatever questionable pieces to Strasburg's in Lindon, UT last night with the intention of staying until they were finished and then they would drive back to the salt for installation this morning. Ray's photos accurately show the skipping and rocking from side to side as Tom slowed. Those black marks on the salt continue for over a hundred yards then the tire marks show a slow left turn too close to the absolute end of the course for comfort. It's a good thing that clamshell air brake bleeds off so much speed when it opens but he came by the entrance to the pits hot, even with a chute out. They have four chutes and the mid speed chutes are duplicates so if one is deployed they can unbolt it during the turn around and still have the same braking efficiency on a return run.
The Burkland turn around is well rehearsed and I'm sure that given a problem free run they could easily be back through the lights in 59 minutes and 59 seconds. Remember they have that time from when they break the FIRST light on the down run until they break the beam on the SAME light on the return run. It's not just an hour in the pits but includes the slow down, service and run up. The FIA people were discussing the one hour timing after watching the thrash following the first run.
We need to contribute to get Ray the Rat either some faster track shoes or a small oxygen tank. He was still panting long after his sprint yesterday morning. Age does get to you doesn't it Ray?
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The main ingredient in Evan's Coolant is the same that is in K-Y personal liquid. Seriously.
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What a great update McRat.. thanks!
Flammable engine coolant :-o WOW.
Glad to hear that minimal amount of injury(considering the possible) was sustained and full recovery is in sight.
Todd
PS: I've tried posting this 3 times and it keeps backing me up form others posting - lol.. how great is that.
back to work with monitor in line of site
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coolant---wow---thankful I use distilled water---I had a similar situation at speed week when I forgot to restart the transfer pump after a hold shut down at the start line.
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We always talk about the Gods of Speed, and the Gods of Salt, etc. Well I'm sure there are matching Devils as well.
Always looking for another way to nick the racer...flamable coolant...Who'd a thunk it?
I can't thank all on this thread that have spent time and money to bring us these reports, I'll remember this when I send in my 2009 contribution to Jon.
Gary
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We always talk about the Gods of Speed, and the Gods of Salt, etc. Well I'm sure there are matching Devils as well.
Don't know about devils, but salt gremlins, they're real and they're out there
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My experience with coolant fire.
While serving in the U.S. Navy as Chief Engineer on a diesel powered ATF (ocean going tug), we had a faulty exhaust system, which was water cooled. Additives to prevent internal corrosion were added. The exhaust leaked, and I authorized the crew in the main engine room to cut it in half in order to ease the rigging of the 30 ft. section for removal. BAD, BAD MISTAKE.. The coolant ignited. My crew managed to get out of the engine room (just barely). CO2 wouldn't put it out. Water wouldn't put it out. The fire engulfed the main engine room, and wasn't extinguished for over an hour. The nearby U.S. Air Force Base at Pearl Harbour (Ft. Shafter), sent a foam extinguishing fire truck to the scene. Filled the entire engine room up with foam. That's what it took to extinguish the fire. I was repremanded by the Commandant for not knowing better.
Max
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Good morning, sunshine. Here's what we've learned already. First of all, the Ack Attack bike is on the way to the mountain end of the track to make a run. Indeed -- they broke an output shaft on one engine and swapped the motor (rather than try to dig in and do a repair). It only took them 'til about 10.30 last night to get that done. This morning, when Nancy and I got here, the bike was being lifted into the transporter and has moved already. And this photo was taken after that -- shows they were ready to run!
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1969.jpg)
That is, get the bike ready first, put up the awnings later. They're hoping that things will go smoothly today -- so they can run back and forth and back and forth 'til they're satisfied they've got everything out of the bike.
They also took off the "barn doors" around the chute overnight. Rocky had reported too uch instability at 340 and above (hey, wouldn't it be great if we average mortals could have the pleasure of getting to 340 so we could notice things like this?), so on one run he open the doors at speed -- and things smoothed out nicely. Viola! -- barn doors off. We'll see soon. Rocky is down there right now and suited up, climbing into the bike right now.
I'll click "post" and then type some more while waiting for the run to begin. Course is locked down now.
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Jon,
Any news on Sam?
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Mike Cook reports to us this morning that he went to the hospital last night to see Lynn Goodfellow, the driver -- and the owner of the Mormon Missile. The report that was posted a few pages back was correct -- 2nd and 3rd degree burns on his hands, and some first degree burns on his moustache/lip area. Evidently the face/screen on the helmet melted in the conflagration, so he put his hands over his face to try to protect it -- and that's how his hands suffered so much. He's wearing a breathing tube to ease his breathing, although no doubt it's frustrating him -- all he can do is give "thumbs up" when told that indeed, he bumped the record that Curtis had set the day before, and now Lynn is the proud wearer of both the 200 MPH Club red hat and the 300 MPH Chapter's blue hat. I think the new record is about 315.
Back to right now -- Rocky is in the bike, we should be running in 5 minutes or so.
Wind at timing stand is 3, at the four mile it's out of the pass at 2, 1 mph at the nine mile.
Sam Wheeler's bike is down for, if nothing else, some bodywork. Here's a photo:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1967.jpg)
There's the exhaust hole -- and some heat damage around it, and you can see there's some delamination of the fibers. They were deciding how much was cosmetic, how much was serious, before trying to do some repairs.
Here's the tube that takes the air from the front tube inlet to the rider's compartment:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1968.jpg)
New subject: I betcha you've never been inside the Burkland transporter. Here's the collection of pins they've amassed in their career, as well as the needlepoint that Betty made during waiting time:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1962.jpg)
Deep enough for now.
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Dick, and others: After Rocky's run I'll mosey over and ask Sam's crew about their plans and the status of the bike.
Mormon Missile is leaving today -- but not 'til the fancy paperwork has been presented. Congratulations to them -- good effort, bad luck (the engine hurt a piston, that's what started the chain of events that led to the coolant cap coming off. No oil or fuel lines were damaged -- it wasn't either of those sources of fuel for a fire that led to the problems).
No signs of life at the OSU pit this morning. Poteet and Main's crew is working, Nish is packing it up, Kuryakyn is busy. I'll find out what's the true scoop after this run.
Rocky is in the bike and listening to the reports of wind down the course.
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Right now density altitude is 4850 ft, temp at the timing stand is 55F.
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Ack bike is running. Bike is under way.
moving, tow released, wheels up
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Bike is slowing down...at the ten and slowing. Vehicle is stopped on the track. Motor is off.
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And......?
:-D
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Hey is Andy Green Still out there?????????? :|
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Good News travels slow...Bad News travels fast?
MAYBE
FREUD
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Good News travels slow...Bad News travels fast?
MAYBE
FREUD
I hope you're right.
The suspense is killing me.
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Maybe Jon forgot to plug in the laptop last night and charge it up - or the broadband wireless had a melt down from overuse. :)
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Lets all call his cell fone.
FREUD
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.., bad luck (the engine hurt a piston, that's what started the chain of events that led to the coolant cap coming off. No oil or fuel lines were damaged -- it wasn't either of those sources of fuel for a fire that led to the problems)...
We found the same thing retired us from SW, two broken pistons. But indeed, it can cause a fuel leak. Ours did. It pushes the injector off it's seat, and the fuel blows out the hole at very high pressure and temperature. We thought the #1 injector was to blame for the fuel leak until looked into engine and saw the damage.
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SSS.................... I can wait apparently John can't..
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The main ingredient in Evan's Coolant is the same that is in K-Y personal liquid. Seriously.
Well thats just great. Now besides performance anxiety I have to worry about a flash fire as well :-P
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Larry C cell phone say, ...Ack abort run......
everything O.K. going back for another go...........
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The main ingredient in Evan's Coolant is the same that is in K-Y personal liquid. Seriously.
Well thats just great. Now besides performance anxiety I have to worry about a flash fire as well :-P
Dunno, they went over 300mph before having a problem. Perhaps you should slow down? :-D
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Leo Hess team is reassembling the bike -- a new output shaft was flown in last night and being installed this morning (per the CB just now).
Terry Kizer was putting the Wheeler motor together -- oil breather let about a quart of oil loose, which started a minor fire and hurt the bodywork. The motor is all tight now -- Terry's pouring oil in as I watch. Sam is bending an aluminum carpenter's square into a nice curve -- to use to reinforce the body where it's hurt. By the way, the new front wheel on Sam's bike is strewing more salt into the wheel cavity than expected -- enough that it also gets thrown into the body. Working on a fix to reduce that.
Wheeler hopes to run in three or so hours. Poteet/Main is chasing an electrical gremlin, but planning on running later on today. OSU is back -- their wi-fi is up and running, but I'm still using the wireless that we brought with us (just in case. Remember, OSU guys are the ones that played golf out here using white balls on the white salt). Anyway, OSU is going to put the fixed motor in the car today and run either later today or tomorrow morning.
Burkland is two hours from having the motors buttoned up and running. Hope to get in runs today (note I said runs -- hope springs eternal).
And the Ack team isn't responding to radio calls, so nobody knows the latest from them.
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FIM Charlie is on the radio reporting that Ack is leaving the track where it broke down -- and is heading back to the pits. No story on what the problem is at this point.
We're going to "stand down" for an hour.
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I called Jon Amo. Here's the scoop. Ack thinks they have a ground problem. It just blubbered and threw a bunch of Motec errors probably related to a bad ground.
FREUD
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Evans Cooling Systems site: http://www.evanscooling.com/index2.html
Quoting from http://www.evanscooling.com/main20.htm :
Question: When should NPG+ be used instead of NPG?
Answer: NPG+ is preferred to NPG in all cases except where the ingredient ethylene glycol is specifically prohibited (e.g., use at certain race tracks).
Quoting from the Wikipedia entry for Ethylene glycol, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol :
"The major use of ethylene glycol is as an antifreeze in, for example, automobiles and personal computers. Due to its low freezing point, it is also used as a deicing fluid for windshields and aircraft. Ethylene glycol is also commonly used in chilled water air conditioning systems that place either the chiller or air handlers outside, or systems that must cool below the freezing temperature of water."
"Ethylene glycol was first prepared in 1859 by the French chemist Charles-Adolphe Wurtz. It was produced on a small scale during World War I as a coolant and as an ingredient in explosives."
"The electrolysis of ethylene glycol solutions with a silver anode results in an exothermic reaction. In the Apollo 1 fire catastrophe a coolant consisting of ethylene glycol and water was implicated as a possible cause via this reaction."
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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Well, OSU has no admission standards so what do you expect (of course I am a Michigan fan so may be a bit biased). Pretty cutting edge technology and they must know something to get a Michigan company like Ford to help sponsor them. I hope they get their bugs worked out and finally show us what it can do.
Jim
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Romero must be "a lot" younger than I am . . . no danger of flash fire for us geezers . . . . .
The main ingredient in Evan's Coolant is the same that is in K-Y personal liquid. Seriously.
Well thats just great. Now besides performance anxiety I have to worry about a flash fire as well :-P
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I think I am in more trouble with getting a heart attack than the flash fire..LOL If I could start the flash fire I would be certain to tell anyone and everyone for the next ten years everytime I see them..LOL
I have been talking with Ack via cell phone this whole meet and I sent him off looking for grounding problems.
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I'm sure there is a reason for the coolant used in the Missle. I like a lot of racers didn't use anything but water for a long time.
I now add a gallon of antifreeze to the 11 gallons of water in the tank and engine mostly for rust protection. I know that you need something for sure for use at the World Finals just for lowering the freezing point. I have knowing of a few who have problems at that meet with just water.
Todays modern cars/trucks specify a coolant; my last 2 Ford trucks did and I follow their recommendations. I'm not sure about any of the coolant used in the M/C's; maybe you bike guys can chime in here and say what you use. I am unaware if a standard mix (antifreeze/water) can catch fire in a mist situation and maybe it can't.
From the reading I'm glad there were no firewall problems with the Missle and this may have been a fluke problem. Usually open cockpit cars have fire problems coming from from the rear of the vehicle.
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Dave;
The Evans coolant is propylene glycol, not ethylene glycol. I didn't see anything about flash point on their website. Flammable--- wow!
Regards, Neil
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bike guy chiming in ---AIR---willie buchta
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FYI, I found this on the Evens Site
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Thanks Willie...Actually it's air and oil in my Indian and HD............... :evil:......JD
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Dave;
The Evans coolant is propylene glycol, not ethylene glycol. I didn't see anything about flash point on their website. Flammable--- wow!
Regards, Neil
It's not pure Propylene Glycol
The MSDS indicates it's a blend
Evans NPG has four basic components according to the MSDS
COMPONENT INFORMATION: (U.S.A. and Foreign Patents Pending)
00107-21-1 Ethylene Glycol (66 -70%)"
00057-55-6 Propylene Glycol
7732-15-5 Water
- - - - - - Proprietary Corrosion Inhibitor Package <2%
My Mistake This MSDS is for NPG+
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Thanks for the updates...
I was reading this recently from dowfrost specifications and thought the same thing, "Wow, I didn't know antifreeze was flammability".
"When mixed with water, neither
DOWFROST nor DOWFROST HD
fluids are flammable because they
have no measurable flash point
(Pensky-Martens Closed Cup) in
concentrations up to 80% glycol.
Undiluted DOWFROST and
DOWFROST HD fluids have a flash
point of 214°F (101°C) (Pensky-
Martens Closed Cup). It is possible
to ignite solutions of propylene
glycol if enough water has been
vaporized and the concentration
of propylene glycol increases to
greater than 80 percent."
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OIL --no wonder i keep killing the motor willie buchta
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Wouldnt that stuff be a lot more harmful to the salt then plain water in the event of an engine loss ? Would it just sink in or cause a slick spot on the track ? I had no idea it was flamable, just that antifreeze is banned in drag racing because its so hard to clean up.
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Update at 11.00 AM MDT: Nothing's happening. Still no word on what the Ack Attack problem is. Everything remains in lockdown. Teams are invited to the pits to share a peanutbutter and jelly sandwich lunch break at the Pro Per Racing Team trailer. Those guys sure know how to win friends and influence people. Nish team served B-B-Q riblets, Ack Attack has grilled chicken breasts and fruit compote, Burkland has fresh apples and granola bars, Pro Per has P B & J. Make your own comments below.
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In non-air cooled bikes........Engine Ice........................
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Ack is fixed minor problem..
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Wouldnt that stuff be a lot more harmful to the salt then plain water in the event of an engine loss ? Would it just sink in or cause a slick spot on the track ? I had no idea it was flamable, just that antifreeze is banned in drag racing because its so hard to clean up.
We used Engine Ice this year. It also contains propylene glycol and states that it is "essentially non-toxic" and is "phosphate free and naturally biodegradable". cyclelogic.cc
On the question portion of their site they do have an interesting question that they don't really answer..
"OK, so what. I don't care if bursts into flames when I take it out. Does it work, is it cooler"?
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I will have BBQ riblets, Chicken and some fruit compote for my main course.... For dessert a PB & J sandwich.... For the road, a apple and granola bar will do just fine... Is there anyway I can get that delivered to my desk? hitting this refresh button has really worked up my appetite.... Great Jonny on the spot reporting. Keep up the good work!!
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Just got of the phone with Paul Green, Speed Damon as ready this afternoon to run on the natural aspirated engine. SD had also a fire in the last few days with over 360 mph IIRC.
As of last night, the rule book got changed not to use Evan cooling fluid, I don't know whether all anti freeze product got banned
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We recommend glycol free coolant (Water Wetter, Kool-Aid...) at the ECTA track. We used to require it but did away with that rule when we realigned to the SCTA rules. I don't know if it's flamable but we're sure going to find out now!
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We recommend glycol-free coolant (Water Wetter, Kool-Aid...) at the ECTA track. We used to require it but did away with that rule when we realigned to the SCTA rules.
Last night in a response to a private message about flammable engine coolant, Dan Warner told me "I have already submitted an emergency rule change to become effective at the World Finals next month."
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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At some point everything is flamable.. Pick a minimum temp and leave it at that perhaps... Just be careful you do not outlaw aluminum fiberglass and carbon fiber as the sound of the cast iron cars might not be that exciting.. Racing is a dangerous profession or hobby and everyone climbing into the cockpit should know that. You can not legislate safty to the point on zero progress either and stil call it racing.. It seems to be the mentality of the last 2 or 3 decades to save everyone from themselves with yet another law rule or whatever. Better to work on the side of safty equiptment firesuits roll bars etc than to banish every cutting edge technology. Here is an interesting thought at what point does a seat belt burn.. Hmmmmmmmm outlaw those???
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A cooling fluid which is flammable at 242 degrees F, is that save? Not for vehicles with 350 mph ... so ban it! j/m 2cents
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Personally I care more about informed decisions. Regardless of rules, if what I'm using that I normally wouldn't consider flamable is now found to be flamable I want to know. I'll take my precautions or my chances I just want to be as informed as possible. Like they say, rules are minimums.
I guess for me, if I take the chance and it turns out on the bad side, I'd at least like to feel that I knew the risk and was willing to take it anyway.
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Besides Lynn's injuries, it is also sad that a diesel caught fire. Normally diesel fuel is alot harder to ignite than gasoline or alcohol, so it's a "safer" fuel for racing.
The "flash point" temp of various fluids (the temperature when a spark can ignite it):
Propylene Glycol 210°F
Diesel, #2 petrol-based 143°F
Gasoline -40°F
Biodiesel 266°F (not allowed)
Methanol 54°F
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From what I gathered yesterday the coolant vaporized as it was expelled from the system which allowed the flash fire. Unless there is the vaporization it likely is not going to catch fire. I applaud Dan Warner's quick action in getting a ban considering the risks involved. It's interesting that fuels like methanol and E85 continue to be used in racing because they, like gasoline, can burn quickly and dangerously. They will continue to be used because there are no alternatives ... or like the Ballard Technology in the Ohio State hydrogen/electric liner, the alternatives are just too cumbersome and expensive.
FYI, the fuel used at this meet is simply supplied by each car/bike. There's no central fueling and many brought their own from ERC at their last meet. Rick won't be back to open his tanker and trailer until the day of inspection at World Finals.
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The Speed Demon Lives!!!
so does the ol' rat, apparently. I just barely got online, I haven't had a chance to read all the posts. Later, I guess.
Ron Main and crew just (within the last 10 minutes) fired up the normally aspirated motor in the Demon and were loading the ECM as I shot this one:
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We need to contribute to get Ray the Rat either some faster track shoes or a small oxygen tank. He was still panting long after his sprint yesterday morning. Age does get to you doesn't it Ray?
Yup. Gettin old ain't for wimps, yanno? :)
RtR
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with the down time....gotta add to the lsr related fodder............
willie.......how is that air and nitrous working out.......:)
Max........when you made the "275 mph" run this year
what were you clocked at..........?
also to answer your query "The Kawasakis and Suzukis that are turning in fantastic speeds with ease, are due to what? "......
not with ease, and due to same admirable qualities you have.......grit and determination..........
and the Hess liner........awesome that their out there....getting
after it.......but it surely is simply R&D and not likely to go real fast
this early in the game.........
Sam and Ack........awesome drama.........and truly on the verge of fast history.........
and very informative coolant discussion.......had no idea personal ky could ignite.......ive
tried.......no success yet.......
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From the Salt Lake Tribune:
Salt Flats driver still in serious condition
Article Last Updated: 09/25/2008 10:54:51 AM MDT
"Lynn Goodfellow, who suffered burns when his diesel-powered car burst into flames after a run on the Bonneville Salt Flats, remained in serious condition Thursday morning at the University of Utah Hospital. According to a hospital spokesperson, Goodfellow's condition has not changed since he arrived via Life Flight helicopter Wednesday. The 67-year-old Goodfellow is from Boulder, Nevada. He is a veteran of land-speed racing on the Salt Flats who drove his car, the "Mormon Missile," to a speed of 314 mph before it caught fire."
Source: http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_10556369
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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Here's this hour's report:
The Ack pits sent out the word that the grilled chicken was ready -- would everyone please attend for lunch? We did -- so did Sam Wheeler's crew, Kuryakyn, OSU, Burkland, and so on. Lunch was tasty, thank you.
While we were eating Mike Akatiff's crew fired up the motors. First of all -- good diagnosing, Dave Dahlgren -- when you said it was a grounding problem. Well, problem it was -- like they didn't have the battery negative terminal hooked up. Something was touching enough to conduct to start the engines -- but underway there was vibration and that's why the erratic volts. So - when they started the motors there was a nasty sound in one of the turbos -- a bearing has gone astray, and they're putting a replacement in.
I hear Sam's bike revving in the background, so take that for what it's worth.
Poteet/Main fired their engine, as Ray has already reported.
That's it for now -- going to go hand out a few landracing.com stickers to the teams. By the way -- if you folks send in a donation to landracing.com -- send me your mailing address, hey? We're asking for them so we can thank you by sending a bumper sticker to you. Thanks.
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The only protection against fire in the cockpit is a proper fire prooved seal firewall.
Unfortunately the Mormon Missile lack on that.
At the beginning of the World of Speed the streamliners was in the trailer close to the inspection.
I talked to someone of the team when they will seal the firewall, due to the missing of a seal....the answer was that there will be no one - the design concept is closing enough! I saw now on Ray's picture from the MM that they really didn't correct the lack......
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Hiya Pork, sorry I missed WOS this year . . .
Somehow my impression was the flame travelled in the breathing tube and got into the driver's compartment that way.
At any rate, I'm sure they are attending to the shortcomings.
We should all be reminded of the reason for tech and safety rules. and its good to hear all should go well with our friend in the hospital - the new blue hat should help.
Thanks to all for jumping on the safety issues!!!
Ray, don't kill yourself running around out there! We'll talk soon.
The only protection against fire in the cockpit is a proper fire prooved seal firewall.
Unfortunately the Mormon Missile lack on that.
At the beginning of the World of Speed the streamliners was in the trailer close to the inspection.
I talked to someone of the team when they will seal the firewall, due to the missing of a seal....the answer was that there will be no one - the design concept is closing enough! I saw now on Ray's picture from the MM that they really didn't correct the lack......
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From what I gathered yesterday the coolant vaporized as it was expelled from the system which allowed the flash fire. ...
I think where the problem lies, is that if my intel is right, and 210°F is the flash point for Evans, it is at it's flash point at WOT during a run, so if it escapes, it is already ready to burn, and just needs a source of ignition. Kinda like you could put out a fire with a bucket of cold oil, but it would have wildly different results if the oil was hot already.
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O-KAY, a coupla things are under way. First of all, I'd like to get a link to Ray The Rat's photo album so everyone can access his photos as easily as possible. I'm getting asked over and over about where's this photo, where's that one -- so I'll try (or Debbie will, hint-hint) put a link to his stuff right on the front of landracing.com
Second of all, we're getting set to lock down -- the Speed Deomn is on the way to the north end of the course to make a run! The N/A engine is in the car, we've all heard it run, the car and caravan is at the six mile (on the way to the 12) to make a run. Finally.
As for streamliner bikes -- the wind has come up enough that Rocky, at least, isn't likely to make a run for a while. He was telling Nancy and me (and his mom and wife and daughter, all of whom were shooting the breeze over lunch) that 3 or 3 1/2 is about all he chooses to run in. Right now we've got (guessing here) about 10 mph blowing down the course from north to south. I haven't heard a report from the other reporting stations recently.
Poteet/Main just went by the eight mile.
The E-Z Hook is hanging on the rack, body out back in the sun so the new stuff can dry or set up or whatever they've done.
The Kuryakyn bike is hanging on the rack -- the Burkland car is sitting in the shade. Mormon Missile os gone from the salt, OSU is out of the cocoon trailer and being worked upon.
End for now. I'll go check out Sam's body. Wait a minnit, that doesn't sound right, does it?
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Come on Sam!! A busa rider pulling for a Kawasaki :-D imagine that.
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The flash point of a flammable liquid is the lowest temperature at which it can form an ignitable mixture in air. At this temperature the vapor may cease to burn when the source of ignition is removed. A slightly higher temperature, the Fire Point, is defined as the temperature at which the vapor continues to burn after being ignited. Neither of these parameters is related to the temperatures of the ignition source or of the burning liquid, which are much higher. The flash point is often used as one descriptive characteristic of liquid fuel, but it is also used to describe liquids that are not used intentionally as fuels.
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From what I gathered yesterday the coolant vaporized as it was expelled from the system which allowed the flash fire. ...
I think where the problem lies, is that if my intel is right, and 210°F is the flash point for Evans, it is at it's flash point at WOT during a run, so if it escapes, it is already ready to burn, and just needs a source of ignition. Kinda like you could put out a fire with a bucket of cold oil, but it would have wildly different results if the oil was hot already.
Don't forget that we have two turbos on it which the exhaust housing are glowing ==> source of ignition?????
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How far is Speed Demon? I heard is soon ready ...
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O-KAY, a coupla things are under way. First of all, I'd like to get a link to Ray The Rat's photo album so everyone can access his photos as easily as possible. I'm getting asked over and over about where's this photo, where's that one -- so I'll try (or Debbie will, hint-hint) put a link to his stuff right on the front of landracing.com
Here's the link to the PB album:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/
The Burkland excitement:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/burkland_wed_runs/
The Mormon Missile shots from Wednesday:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/
Waitin for the Demon to head down the course,
RtR
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How far is Speed Demon? I heard is soon ready ...
Demon is at the mountain end of the course preparing for a down run. Their pits are prepped for a turnaround. I've got some photos of it buttoning up and on the trailer that 'll post after the run.
RtR
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Go Speed Damon :evil: ....... GOOOOOOO!!!
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Estimate is five-ten minutes until Speed Demon runs. George is doing a "photo opportunity" right now -- then will get in the car.
Back to important things -- thanks for the data on the Evans coolant/K-Y Jelly. I assure you that this subject is now the source of quite a few laughs out here.
George Poteet is suiting up right now.
Is in the car being buckled in.
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Wind 4-5 north to south at timing, ditto at the four mile, 1.6 mph down the course at the nine mile.
Here in the pits is more like 5-8 mph, but the car will be at low speed here (we sure as heck hope!) so it's not an issue.
Engine is running.
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Engine is running, course is clear, car is moving.
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Speed Demon: through the ten and looking good.
through the nine
speeds entry 246.252
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Go Speed Damon :evil: ....... GOOOOOOO!!!
Speed "Damon"...?
:-D
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kilo 248 mile 248.731 exit not reported.
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Don't forget that we have two turbos on it which the exhaust housing are glowing ==> source of ignition?????
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Diesel engines (as in tractor trailer) have exhaust gas temperatures between 350F-900F. I've seen a hot rodded Cummins run at 1475F without melting the tops of the pistons. I touched the exhaust (by accident) right off the turbo on a big Cat (working on a running engine) and it burned right to the bone in a micro second.
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Edit: Pay no attention to the idiot at the laptop. He didn't listen clearly. NOT an early shutdown. DUH!!!
Bummer! The Demon shut off in the middle of the run. Chute deployed, slowing safely. Don't know why yet.
RtR
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Anyone know the record speed they were looking for with Speed Demon?
J
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Don't forget that we have two turbos on it which the exhaust housing are glowing ==> source of ignition?????
Diesel engines (as in tractor trailer) have exhaust gas temperatures between 350F-900F. I've seen a hot rodded Cummins run at 1475F without melting the tops of the pistons. I touched the exhaust (by accident) right off the turbo on a big Cat (working on a running engine) and it burned right to the bone in a micro second.
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We had on this run over 1900 F EGT's before first stage means right on the exhaust manifild, which the exhaust turbo housing will glow, which ignite the Evan ...
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Anyone know the record speed they were looking for with Speed Demon?
J
I thought is was 275 on natural aspirated engines ...
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Speed Demon speeds (official, from the tower):
Entry 246.252 kilo 248.767 mile 248.731 exit 251.142
Is faster than the existing record, but he'll need to go faster on a return run to exceed the existing record by the minimum required 1%.
But no, I don't know the number - the existing record. All I got from the tower is what I reported.
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Ray's regular site is www.chevyasylum.com
O-KAY, a coupla things are under way. First of all, I'd like to get a link to Ray The Rat's photo album so everyone can access his photos as easily as possible. I'm getting asked over and over about where's this photo, where's that one -- so I'll try (or Debbie will, hint-hint) put a link to his stuff right on the front of landracing.com
Here's the link to the PB album:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/
The Burkland excitement:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/burkland_wed_runs/
The Mormon Missile shots from Wednesday:
http://s445.photobucket.com/albums/qq178/RayTheRat_2008/morman_missle_wed_runs/
Waitin for the Demon to head down the course,
RtR
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Anyone know the record speed they were looking for with Speed Demon?
J
I thought is was 275 on natural aspirated engines ...
Ok, then it's 225?
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It's gotta be faster than 251 if he needs more speed to exceed it by 1%.
It's not like SCTA.He doesn't have to qualify. He can run below the record on one pass if he feels that he can add enough speed to make the average more than 1% above the exiting mark.
I amend my calculations. I used the exit speed and not the mile speed. Principle was correct, entered the wrong data.
Hind site always give the correct answer.
FREUD
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Here's a video that Bobby somebody put on YouTube of George Poteet and Ron Main's "Speed Demon" streamliner. It's shaky because it was shot without a tripod but it gives you an idea of the car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJyc-A15akk&feature=related
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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Now comes the bad news - at least from my personal point of view. Nancy and I have to leave the salt after the Speed Demon makes the return run (which it looks like it will do -- Mike Cook reports the car is in good condition). The other teams remaining out here are being informed that they're welcome to parade to the north end of the track as soon as the Speed Demon makes that return run -- but we'll be on the way home, looking forward to seeing what Ray reports from this fine location.
Here's a bit of news -- Dan Warner was just on the CB reporting that the S/D is running that 181" N/A engine against the Honda F1 car record. No, I still don't know the speed he's chasing.
I'll post now and continue in a few minutes.
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Dan says the Honda/F1 record is a bit over 241, and just now I hear that the needed speed on the return run is a hair over 252. I don't do the math, folks, I just report on what I hear.
That is, 1% of 241 sounds like 2.41 to me, and 252 is more like about 4% above 241, but I'm just the messenger, not the mathemagician in charge.
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Okay, Warner just called on the radio -- looked up the record, and it's 246.9. So that's what they've got to average more than 1% above.
Speed Demon is darned near ready to run! Quick turnaround.
Rocky says they're working on the turbo, but doesn't like the wind -- might not be 'til morning.
Burkland sure likes late afternoon runs.
Hess is still making a part.
I'll click post and then upload the photos of the E-Z Hook body repairs.
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Terry Kizer doing work to build a sheet metal panel for the bottom of the bike (three photos):
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1973.jpg)
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1972.jpg)
Note Sam the helper, hard at work:
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/100_1974.jpg)
ON the other hand -- Speed Demon is about to leave the pit and ready to run. They're planning on running laps, hoping for increasing speeds each time. That is, go back north now, then maybe south, then maybe north...
Whoo-boy, that's quick work on a reliable car if they car prep and run in less than a half-hour. Barely time to pack the chutes and grab a drink.
Speed Demon about to run.
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I'm going to try to get some video -- hang in there, I'll get back with speeds.
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with the down time....gotta add to the lsr related fodder............
willie.......how is that air and nitrous working out.......:)
Max........when you made the "275 mph" run this year
what were you clocked at..........?
also to answer your query "The Kawasakis and Suzukis that are turning in fantastic speeds with ease, are due to what? "......
not with ease, and due to same admirable qualities you have.......grit and determination..........
and the Hess liner........awesome that their out there....getting
after it.......but it surely is simply R&D and not likely to go real fast
this early in the game.........
Sam and Ack........awesome drama.........and truly on the verge of fast history.........
and very informative coolant discussion.......had no idea personal ky could ignite.......ive
tried.......no success yet.......
Joe,
Max here.
The 275 mph run was on the last day of the Bub Meet, and the speed was a calculation of engine rpm, gear ratio, tire diameter. No timing slip.
With no timing slip some will believe--some won't. My rider, my crew, and I know what it did, and that's all that really matters.
It seems I have more confidence in Leo than some do. It's inevitable that his liner is going to go real fast. Could be this meet.
Sam and Ack are really good friends of mine and I hope they BOTH set the record today or tomorrow. Wouldn't that be something?
Max
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Through the two.
Through the three.
Dang, that car looks like it's a ball to drive. Wish it were you in there? Wait 'til you see the video.
By the four mile and slowing.
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entry speed 245.698
mile 248.178
Not good enough!
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Just a hair slower, but since it's into a headwind maybe they'll use that as the qualifiying speed and turn around and come back this way.
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They're down at the other end right now, throwing out the luggage and the food and the sofa and other things -- whatever they can to lighten the car. All they need is a few more mph!
He was running against a 6-7 mph headwind at the timed stretch. His speeds were 245.698 entry, kilo 248.220, mile 248.178, exit 250.566
They're trying now to push his starting area back to about Floating Mountain so he can have a longer run-up!
He needs about 252 or 253 for the record.
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Danged Air Force flyboys going overhead -- maybe they could buzz down the course in front of George and give him a bit of a wind drag help. Here's the video:
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/?action=view¤t=100_1975.flv
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Disregard my dumb message from a bit earlier. Not only do I need an oxygen generator, I could use a hearing aid, I spose. :)
Nice turnaround, back under way.
RtR
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(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/100_1307-1.jpg)
Thanks for the reporting Jon and Nancy..
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Ray,
It's up to you now.... :cheers:
Thanks for all of the information you all have given.
J
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Ok. Here I am. Here's George Poteet in the car as the timing slip is read after the first down run.
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No, we're not going yet! Not 'til Poteet makes this return run... And after you posted that photo, John, the Dork Cops will be on patrol looking for me. Thanks, Buddy!
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I just talked to Sam. He and Terry Kizer are playing sheet metal/body work guys. He wants to run today if the wind goes down.
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We all really appreciate what you guys have done for us in this thread. Thanks.
Here's a link to Slim's Photobucket picture gallery for this event, which as of now contains 95 images and three videos:
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202008/?start=all
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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Poteet is under way.
Entry 250.904
kilo 253.601
mile 253.544
Should be enough!
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Speed Demon making a 3rd run...counts as a 2nd for the last one...weird FIA regs.
Word from their pit: they missed the record by 2 mph, gotta run 253
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They just fired up the Burkland car. Dang, I don't wanna miss that run. . .
Poteet is approaching the pits, chute out, looking okay.
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I am ASSuming Burklands car is Blown or Turbos is this true
Thanks Rocket
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Blown :roll:
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Okay: First of all, the Burkland car has blowers on each engine. Belt driven blowers.
Speed Demon: Official reocrd times, pending certification:
250.917 kilo, 250.053 mile.
Speeds are in excess of 1% over the existing record, so it will be the new record (again, pending cert). I wonder if Dan measured the motor while they were building it -- oughta be lots cleaner that way, hey?
No word yet on whether they'll try another turnaround and return run, but the DA is going up quickly -- I assume they'll have serious thinking to do on that.
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Wind is picking up -- down course, five-8 mph. DA is sharply up as of now -- rising, at 6800 feet. SP is 25.709"
Temp is 80F at the Seldom Seen Slim Pickup truck station.
Now the really bad news: Wes Hutchens is on his way over here. Oh, no, what'd we do to deserve this?
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Rocky isn't ready to run, won't unless the winds die down. Otherwise in the morning.
Sam Wheeler is working on the body.
Leo Hess is still scratching his head.
#715 (Speed Demon) is being questioned, as I type, as to his return the return the return run.
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In the Demon pits it was announced that they got the record. They took it away from the Honda F1 team of a few years ago, who had taken it from Terry Nish (or the Nish team, anyway.) Terry was there in the pits to congratulate 'em.
Photos shortly. Course is in a 1 hour (or so) hold.
RtR
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Slim ... looking good ... Joe
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Lotta people were gathered around the Hess liner as the motor fired a couple of times. It's been quiet since then. Not much action in the Burkland pit, Ack Attack's body skin is off and work is being done in the liner. OSU is still waiting for the motor which is being repaired in SLC.
Photo of George Poteet and Ron Main as they celebrate the record.
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A big Boo-Hoo! We're on I-80 headed east. Dang, it sure is difficult to leave, especially during this meet. But we've got to get home and make the mortgage payment and the cellphone payment and so on. So - - Ray, you've got the duty, Sir. Don't get stuck in the muck at the end of the course.
I got a good-bye photo of George Poteet standing by the car and looking happier than a truckstop, and another shot -- this one of Kenny Duttweiler. He looked pretty darned happy with the engines he builds for the car.
Just passed by the end of the course/the pits -- and whoa, we didn't realize how close to the highway we have been all week. Yeah, we were hearing truckers blow their horns at us -- but the perspective is different from inside than it is from out here.
Ray -- I'll ask Debbie to put those links on the front page of the site. I'm trying to make it as easy as possible for the folks that are not forum members to find your photos. I tried to put the links in front -- manoman, did I ever prove once again that as a programmer -- I'll stick to my job as reporter.
Ta-ta for now. If any of you have questions you can either ask me here -- or send me an email jonwennerberg@nancyandjon.org.
Later...
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A big Boo-Hoo! We're on I-80 headed east. Dang, it sure is difficult to leave, especially during this meet. But we've got to get home and make the mortgage payment and the cellphone payment and so on. So - - Ray, you've got the duty, Sir. Don't get stuck in the muck at the end of the course.
I got a good-bye photo of George Poteet standing by the car and looking happier than a truckstop, and another shot -- this one of Kenny Duttweiler. He looked pretty darned happy with the engines he builds for the car.
Just passed by the end of the course/the pits -- and whoa, we didn't realize how close to the highway we have been all week. Yeah, we were hearing truckers blow their horns at us -- but the perspective is different from inside than it is from out here.
Ray -- I'll ask Debbie to put those links on the front page of the site. I'm trying to make it as easy as possible for the folks that are not forum members to find your photos. I tried to put the links in front -- manoman, did I ever prove once again that as a programmer -- I'll stick to my job as reporter.
Ta-ta for now. If any of you have questions you can either ask me here -- or send me an email jonwennerberg@nancyandjon.org.
Later...
Thanks for all your online info ... drive safe!!!
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Jon and Nancy& RtR :cheers:---thanks for the great show!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
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Can't u just hear SSS telling the dude at the gas pump to print out his Motech?
They will return.
Thanks SSS and Nancy.
RtR.....go to the truckstop and get yo self some of them pills. U got it 'till the end of the meet.
FREUD
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Drive safe you two and Thanks Again for all the play by plays :cheers:
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Do you know if Burkland is going to run today? I've been logged in all day and I want say great job SSS! I'm actually waiting for Kenny Duttweiler to get home so I can ask him about a combo for next year. Great job Speed Demon!!!
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It doesn't look likely for a Burkland run today. I'm lookin right at their pit across the way and there are a few folks standing aroun the liner, but no thrash. Same thing with Hess and Ack. I haven't heard anything on the CB about the course hold until 4 pm...and it's just 4 right now.
I'm gonna go ask Tom Burkland (if I can find him) what the plans are.
Freud: if it's all the same to you, I think I'd prefer to stay away from those pills at the truck stop. But I'll hang in there til the bitter end.
RtR
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RtR...I have every confidence in you.
Just don't plan on much sleep.
B'ville does that to you.
FREUD
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pssstt.... SSS.... the links have been on the front page of lr.com for the last 52 hours! If you'd like them in a different location or further up on the page lemme know & I'll get to it. If you'd like it differently worded let me know that too!
We're officially mobile as well. We're headed south for the Maxton meet this weekend. We've also signed on for this funkiedoodle mobile broadband internet so with any luck you'll get more frequent correspondence from us as well. No promises on mirroring the superb reporting going on here as Todd and I will be very busy in tech and are also going to try to run as well but we'll try to sign on now & again for an on the spot report!
Debbie
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Thanks a million SSS, Nancy and RTR for your awesome reporting and photo's. Like everyone else that have been living via the "refresh button" we greatly appreciate all of your time and effort. You sure made my week!!!
P.S. RTR and/or anyone still out on the salt needs to get some video of Burkland if and when they run. :cheers:
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A big Boo-Hoo! We're on I-80 headed east.
Later...
Good job, ya'll; with a little luck and trading the driving chores, I'll
hope you can make it beyond Rock Springs before the adrenalime dumps out like a 10 wheel truck.
Really great seeing you both again, and if there is anything I can help you with around the Saltville area, don't hesitate to ask.
REGARDS AGAIN,
Jim
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I have yet to thank SSS (by SSS I mean J&N)
Also a big thanks to RTR (I dont mean to speak for Tom, but I can almost guarantee 99.9999% that he will want a copy of the pics of the 411 in action, you might ask him if you get a chance).
Amazing shots.
Also on another note I have 2 questions:
1. Is there a suitable alternative to flammable coolant?
2. What would have happened if the Nish crew ran without 1 cylinder? If only one hole was bad why not just run the motor with 7? (it would still be a 700 ci motor).
-JH
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Hey, Deb --
I see the links! I guess my excuse will be # 14B. For those of you that don't use the same rulebook that I have, that means that while I did see that Deb had posted some stuff on the front page (and she sent me instructions on how I could o it myself, although my efforts came out more like they had been run through the blender), I never scrolled down the page far enough to see that the links I was requesting were already there. And that's the story I'll stick to -- no comments about Nancy's tattoos taking my mind off my work, hey?
Have fun at Maxton, we hope the weather won't be to bad, and isn't this concept of having mobile internet cool? Except that bouncy roads make for crummy typing.
N & J
PS Almost out of battery--gotta shut off for a while.
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(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4720.0;attach=6687;image)
Even though George is a member of the Bonneville 200 MPH Club, instead of wearing his 2 Club red hat, he prefers to wear his John Deere hat.
Now that's a good ol' boy.
Rock on, George.
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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I just talked to Mike Akatiff on the phone. He says they are getting back in line to run this afternoon. they have been busy, removed the doors, changed an engine, fixed the battery ground, and replaced the center section on the turbo.......wow!
He said our on-board camera system is working well after his son Greg did a little tweak to the solid state memory cartridge that stores the video. [no tape or hard drive]. Good work Greg! Sam has the same system and he has made a similar tweak with Greg's help. Wish I were there to help.....but it just did now work out.
I think Sam is going to run tomorrow.
Is the Ack Attack in line? Go get 'um Rocky!!
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"Pit Walk" report:
Burkland has trouble with engine #2. Still working on it. Won't run again today.
Wheeler: Gonna get the liner back together today and hope to run tomorrow am.
Hess: Hope to run later in the day if winds cooperate. Liner on the trailer and heading toward the mountain end as I type this 5 pm mdt.
Ack: on the trailer, might run if winds cooperate..and at the moment, they aren't. 0 mph at the pit end, 9 mph at the mountain end...and the next moment, it switches and the big end has 1 mph and the pits at 5. Rocky won't run unless the winds are under 2 mph.
OSU: Expecting the motor to come back from SLC at 3 am with a goal of running at 7:30.
Poteet & Main: Record has been "tentatively confirmed." Way it was explained to me, the speeds were good enough, but car is subject to scrutiny. They've changed the gear and are gonna run again in the am with a goal of 260.
I'll report again when I know something about Hess.
Wind picking up at the pit end. Track workers are sweeping the course, looking for any spare parts that might have been left as offerings for the gods of speed.
RtR
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With the lull, I thought I would relate how I found out "ANTIFREEZE" will go BOOOOM! Over 40 years ago I was cutting the top off of an empty 55 gallon drum that had been full of Ethelene-glycol (Prestone).
I had run water through it for hours and proceeded to cut the top off with an acetylene torch. Kag--damBoooom! I was astraddle the drum that found its way out an open door jetting a 45 foot yellowish=blue jet that propelled me and the drum like a bull rider and mount at 6 g's across the parking lot.
Well, you do not have to scare me twice. I never tried to make a garbage can out of any chemical drum whatsoever with a torch. I have used an air chisel since but not fire.
Seriously, if anything can be good about the 350 mph close call, it may be a rule change or a new awareness about all things we might think of as SAFE!
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The OSU folks have buttoned up the liner and some of 'em are taking off. I may not have this connection much longer.
I will transmit as long as I am abl......
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Ack Attack has joined Hess at the mountain end. Course is locked down, waiting for favorable winds.
RtR
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When does the sun go down there :-o
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While we're waiting for more from Ray, here is a link to a 2006 four-minute video that was created by Eric Darby, called "Hot Rodding is Dead". I think you and your families will enjoy it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXU3N9wT3u0&feature=related
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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When does the sun go down there :-o
According to this site:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_pap.pl (http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_pap.pl)
sunset is 7:27 and "civil twilite" ends at 7:55 pm
We're still in a wind hold.
RtR
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Leo Hess just crashed. he is concious and he is out of vehicle. compound fractures of leg, Lifeline is on the way...
JonAmo
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That is a preliminary report, the bike didnt get very far down the track from the Report I have. This is what was relayed to me.
Lifeline helicopter was requested, Dont know any more then that. But he is out and talking fine.
There will be NO more runs for today.
Ack I know plans on running in the AM.
JonAmo
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I just barely got the same info on Leo Hess. He was transported to Land's End by ambulance and transferred to yet another ambulance to await the Life Flight copter. Confirmation of injuries, but conscious and alert...although hurting.
Prayers would be appreciated, I'm sure.
RtR
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Thanks for the update....I hope the best for Leo..he is not a "youngman"
Sorry to hear..any pictures of the accident and what was the cause?
J
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Prayers going out to him
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Thanks for the update....I hope the best for Leo..he is not a "youngman"
Sorry to hear..any pictures of the accident and what was the cause?
J
No photos from me. I was (and I still am) at the other end of then track. I'd only be guessing, but wind may have had something to do with it. Don't take that as "the whole story," though. I'll find out what I can when I can.
I'm gonna sign off now and head back to Wendover. I'll be back on asap.
RtR
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Sure hate to hear about Leo, he is a hard core racer and this is a big set back, Our prayers are with him for a fast recovery. :-(
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Geez, that's a problem with these top speed vehicles -- they're so darned high-strung that it isn't that hard for something to go awry. And in the case of the bike liners -- well, we know that they're about the most difficult lsr vehicle to ride. Leo has our thoughts and prayers with him.
We're in SLC now -- and glad that Jon Amo was able to get some information to you folks. I expect that Ray's wi-fi link via OSU ended, but I know what motel he's at -- and they've got internet, so maybe he'll post more later tonight.
In the meantime -- recover swiftly, Leo, to run again another day. We're all on your side.
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Leo Hess is a Land Speed Icon and we all hope the best for him. :cheers:
J
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Being new to LSR and not knowing the players I find myself a bit lost from time to time. Yet, whenever I hear of an accident my heart leaps into my throat, I have a feeling of sadness and hope and pray for the best.
Here's a little article on Leo Hess from the Bub meet:
http://www.usridernews.com/absolutenm/templates/News.asp?articleid=269&zoneid=1
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Wishes for quick and full recoveries to Lynn and Leo.
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Big thank yous to all you good folk out there keeping us "foreigners" up with the play. It is very much appreciated. Best wishes and prayers go out to Lynn & Leo and all those racing and helping.
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We're in SLC now -- and glad that Jon Amo was able to get some information to you folks. I expect that Ray's wi-fi link via OSU ended, but I know what motel he's at -- and they've got internet, so maybe he'll post more later tonight.
In the meantime -- recover swiftly, Leo, to run again another day. We're all on your side.
I just left when I couldn't get anyone on the CB. I'm back at the Econo-dump now.
I'll be here for the rest of the evening.
I agree with the sentiment about Leo. I'm pullin for him, too.
RtR
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Oh man, two days in row...not good. :-( I wish both Lynn and Leo a speedy and timely recovery.
For the rest of the teams still planning to run, be safe and go real fast :-)
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Any incident in LSR is going to be extreme. Most are severe. Luckily few are fatal. Safety advancements over the years have helped tremendously. Having tech inspectors who don't back down on safety concerns is a godsend. Think about who and what they are protecting when they tell you fix or change something. Do it for your family's sake. We all know someone who has been hurt or worse doing this and we all know what is at stake. I am thankful that both Leo Hess and Lynn Goodfelllow, while injured, are still with us. Hopefully when they heal up they will get strapped back in and do it again. Only better and faster.............
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Remember, the same safety rules aren't applied to this meet as to SCTA meets.
When you run with the big boys you are on your own.
Sometimes extra freedom comes back to bite you.
FREUD
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Being new to LSR and not knowing the players I find myself a bit lost from time to time. Yet, whenever I hear of an accident my heart leaps into my throat, I have a feeling of sadness and hope and pray for the best.
Here's a little article on Leo Hess from the Bub meet:
http://www.usridernews.com/absolutenm/templates/News.asp?articleid=269&zoneid=1
I think that release was from the event back in 2006..
J
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Some thoughts before I fall asleep. I've noticed some things at this meet that are troubling to me. I know that all sanctioning bodies do their very best to keep racers safe and I've known for a long time that racing is a dangerous sport. I don't want to come across as critical of any organization or regulations, but I'd like to offer some food for thought...that's probably been thought of many times before...but I'll bring it up anyway.
First, two serious fires occurred, both of them after very hurried turnarounds to get back on the course within the FIA's one hour time limit. Neither (if I observed correctly...and I was at the scene of both of 'em) team had a chance to fire the motors and test for leaks or any other problems. My question is, "why does the FIA require a 1 hour turnaround while FIM has a two hour limit?" I know that was discussed here earlier, but it's still troublesome to me. I have no way of knowing if the longer time (same as SCTA's impound rule) would have prevented these fires from happening or not...but when I've seen cars leaving impound in the morning for SCTA/USFRA record returns, there generally isn't the rush that I observed prior to the runs that ended in fires. I have no idea how effective SCTA and USAC and/or other governing bodies would be in trying to appeal for an FIA rule change. Seems like a pretty daunting task to me, but one that might be worth a try. And if it's been tried before...well, I dunno. Maybe it's worth another try and maybe...well, I'll leave it at that.
Second, the flammable coolant is just scary as hell. If I read things correctly in earlier posts (I tried to find 'em but I'm way too tired to go back over the whole thing again) this might be banned in future meets/rules. Great. I hope all concerned see this the same way. But it also brought to mind the question other items involved in Lynn Goodfellow's injuries. Like the melting visor that he covered with his hands...which took the brunt of the flame. I know that if I were more familiar with SCTA's regulations I could probably answer this one myself, but I'll ask anyway. Is the visor material specified in the rulebook? I'd think that it would be along with the helmet specs, but again, it's something that came to mind. Same thing with the gloves. Again, I realize that they have different requirements than other parts of a driver's suit...in particular, flexibility. But is this an issue that needs to be examined?
I'm not sure if this next one is even valid, since I don't have much information to go on about Leo Hess's crash. But wind has been an ongoing topic and I know that around the time of the crash, the wind seemed unpredictable at best, gusty at worst. Is it the driver/rider's call about marginal wind speed? I know that there are limits for holding the course closed over certain speeds, but it seems to me that different types of race vehicles have differing levels of sensitivity to wind, particularly side winds and/or gusts. I'm wondering aloud what the bottom line is for making the decision to start a run.
I'm laying my ignorance out here in hopes that it won't be seen as criticism or anything negative. I guess I just needed to get this stuff off my chest.
I'm praying for Lynn and Leo and for a safe and fast day on Friday. I'd love to be able to report happy things like broken records and safe runs.
RtR
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On another note: I have brought it up before and I will bring it up again. Does anyone else think the Goldenrod record is cursed? I have to think so ater three years of private meets and two very high dollar bullets that Nish just can't seem to catch a break and get er done. I know Terry and mike and Cec and they spend every day trying to make that car faster. As much respect as I have for Bill Summers and the amount of work that he and Bob put into the Goldenrod's record, now 43 years old, I would think that with existing technology it should happen. But it hasn't. Why? The Goldenrod's record, like Burt Munro's must have a stigma attached that just won't let go. What do you think???
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RTR,
Good thoughts and viewed as caring to us!
Debbie
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Sorry to hear the news about the Hess accident. As always hoping for a quick and complete recovery.
On the coolant, Evans coolant is used because of its high boiling point to prevent steam bubbles in hot spots in the cooling system. Ethylene glycol and the other glycols can be very reactive under the right conditions, ethylene glycol can self heat when mixed with some chemicals (strong oxidizers) resulting in a very hot fire. Propylene Glycol is also listed as being not compatible with strong oxidizing agents.
The military also learned the lesson about fluids that are not considered a fire hazard, with the hydraulic fluid used in some of their armor. It was rated as not being a fire hazard but they found that when battle damage caused a leak in a high pressure hydraulic hose, the fine mist of the normally fire safe hydraulic fluid burned vigorously.
Unfortunately fire safe rating, ignition temperatures and such, are all very dependent on conditions during the test. Small changes in the conditions can lead to dramatic changes in fire behavior.
In this link it specifically mentions fine mists of propylene glycol being more flammable and that decomposition products from heating it will burn.
http://www.ppe.com/msds/Propylene%20glycol.pdf
Fire fighting guidance: Heat from fire can generate flammable vapor. When mixed with air
and exposed to ignition source, vapors can burn in open or explode if confined. May travel
long distances along the ground before igniting, and flashing back to vapor source. Fine
sprays/mists may be combustible at temperatures below the normal flash point. Aqueous solutions
containing less than 95% propylene glycol by weight have not flash point as obtained by standard
test methods. However aqueous solutions of propylene glycol greater than 22% by weight, if heated
sufficiently, will produce flammable vapors. ...
http://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/9030
Reactivity Profile
PROPYLENE GLYCOL is hygroscopic. It is sensitive to excessive heat (tends to oxidize at high temperatures). This compound can react with oxidizing materials. It is incompatible with acid chlorides, acid anhydrides, chloroformates, and reducing agents.
http://www.amsoil.com/msds/ant.pdf
UNUSUAL FIRE & EXPLOSION HAZARDS: Water spray may be ineffective in fighting fires, but
may be used to cool closed containers.
A very fine spray from preheated liquid in the presence of red hot headers and turbo snails is well outside the
test conditions specified by standard tests.
Larry
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Do you think nish is running tech that different from Summers?
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I may be wrong, but i thought the course that the Summers car ran was longer than what is generally available today. I don't know what the gearing they ran but it would be a advantage to have a longer course for taller gears.
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Sparky, the technology must have evolved as Nish is getting about as much HP out of one engine as Summers was with four. Of course the Goldenrod was four wheel drive and Nish's is two. Nish has access to data aquisition, electronics, metallurgical advancements, etc, etc. Some of the stuff he has available wasn't even thought of when the Goldenrod set the record in 1965. Not saying it is by any means easy, but it should be easier, shouldn't it? Especially after three plus years of concentrating on this one goal and several more planning for it.
Maguromic, the course at this meet has 12 available miles. I don't think it would be possible to get much more than that. Anyone remember if they had a longer course in 1965? Glen? Freud?
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Even thought it seems with todays technology it would be easier to go faster. I am curious as to how rule changes/saftey features that have been added may or may not of limited people from going faster?
Scott
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I may be wrong, but i thought the course that the Summers car ran was longer than what is generally available today. I don't know what the gearing they ran but it would be a advantage to have a longer course for taller gears.
Goldenrod never got it in high gear if memory serves me right. And the conditions were pretty sloppy when they ran...
JonAmo
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I may be wrong, but i thought the course that the Summers car ran was longer than what is generally available today. I don't know what the gearing they ran but it would be a advantage to have a longer course for taller gears.
Goldenrod never got it in high gear if memory serves me right. And the conditions were pretty sloppy when they ran...
JonAmo
This might clear some questions up about the Summers Brothers Record run in 1965.
Tom G.
The fateful day came on November 12, 1965. The car was ready but the weather at the Bonneville Salt Flats had not been good over the previous weeks. It was too wet and windy most of the time. As the weather cleared the course was committed to others and it looked like the Summers brothers would have to wait until 1966 for an attempt. By then the sponsor dollars might not hold out. But, good fortune was with them. Art Arfons, friend and fellow racer, had just set a new record for jet-powered cars and had “salt time” left. He called the Summers brothers and told them if they could get there PDQ they could have his left-over time.
The vegetable stand in Ontario, California must have been chaotic as they packed everything up and burst out of there for Bonneville. Warm up and practice went well. Finally, the support truck pushed the Goldenrod out to the starting area and onto the course. She fired up and off she went. The first 6-mile run was 417-mph and some change. She was still accelerating at over 400-mph as Bob reached down with both hands to shift into fourth. Bob, not one for excessive verbalizing, once described the cars handling as similar to being guided by a string – straight and true. Good thing, since it literally takes two hands to shift because of all that linkage.
To be an official time it takes two runs and the team has an hour between them to fuel, adjust and get ready for the second. With five minutes to spare Goldenrod was off again for the return run. Conditions were still good, everything worked just right and the rest is history – average speed through two runs: 409.277 mph. Beating those arrogant Brits by a comfortable margin (more than 6-mph), proving that good American ingenuity could get the job done simpler, lighter and for a fraction of the cost of the last car to set the record.
As brother Bob, came in after his return run having set the world land speed record for wheel-driven cars, the timer asked if he wanted to take another shot at it, perhaps go a little faster. He had a glint in his eye and was thinking about it when Brother Bill, the team manager, called it a done deal. It was too expensive, and too dangerous, to tempt fate like that when they didn’t need to.
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The Golden Rod had 4 Hemi's, Nish needs to build a big HEMI, maybe his luck will change. I was 15 years old in 1983 when my Grandfather told me he worked on the Golden Rod and I had no idea what it even looked like until he showed it to me. I'm by no meens a historian but I'm sure a lot of people worked on that car and my Grandfather was right in the middle of it. I was lucky enough to meet Tom Burkland last Spring in Ely Nevada and I have to say he is one of the most intellegent people I know. He is also one of the nicest guys around. I have worked on drag cars and boats most of my life and when a friend asked me to help him go to Bonneville at first I was aprehinsive then I remembered what my Grandfather had showed me (Golden Rod). I have opened my eyes to whole other world, Bonneville! I hope nobody else gets hurt, it is very upsetting. I wish Tom Burkland the best of luck tomorrow.
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Barrett was on the salt years before I ever was. 1965 was my second year and I did not attend those "private time" meets so I am not any source of first hand info, but........several factors seem to come into play.
Maybe Nish needs 4 smaller HEMIs but that would require a new car.
Technology has improved but stress remains the same. Goldenrod had the power from 4 engines that were not very stressed as compared to the Nish single engine that has to make a lot of power with fewer cubic inches.
Four wheel drive seems to me to be an advantage.
There is more than just chance alone that has kept that record intact. They had a very reliable power source and that is something that does not seem present in the Nish project.
I haven't built a car like that. I haven't developed an engine like theirs but when similar problems reoccur, it seems that maybe something different would be better.
My opinions are of no value to them but I hope my condolences are.
If dedication, diligence and money were all that was needed to accomplish their goals, it would have already happened.
Take a good shot at it, Burklands.
FREUD
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Freud,
I think the Burklands are running in a different class than Nish/Summers Bros. (supercharged/unsupercharged).
Al Teague (1991) and others have upped the "wheel driven" record, but none (so far) in the Goldenrod's FIA class.
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Garry, the sun rises at close to seven, and it is getting dark by nine :-)
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Best wishes and prayers for a speedy recovery to Lynn and Leo.
Walt
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Nish runs with a natural aspirated engine, there are many ways to configure such an engine. But what do the rules say about camshaft, is overhead camshaft allowed for the record he is trying to break?
I know Terry does not like engines with overhead camshaft and other modern tune ups, He wants it the old fashion way.
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FIA doesn't care about nothing... For piston engine all they want to know is Liters, blown or unblown... They dont care about how many enginess or not. Just what the final Liter is. That is why the FIA is a compelling way to race, just bring a bigger check book for the sanctioning.
JonAmo
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The only Tech that Nish is using that is THAT different is the air shiffed Liberty and maybe some data logging. Some of his problems may becaused by what you just laid out.
He wants to do it the way he wants to do it-
I admire that he wants to do it the way he wants to---it just may be the hard way
-not the easiest most efficient way:--Four wheel drive, dual engs with EFI
Do not know what is causing his eng problems---but I would guess mixture control
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If the head fell off a valve and it is an exhaust valve it answers your question. Or the cam is so aggressive that the spring pressures required are more than the valve can stand hot. The real problem is the cylinder head technology in my mind. They may be the best pushrod type heads in the world but that makes them average at best compared to a 4 valve head with similar port sizes. But to each his own...
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Live and direct from the salt.
I'd make some wise-assed comment, however, I'm not awake yet. But I'm here. And here's what I've found out so far:
First, the OSU satellite dish is up and running much earlier than usual. This is very good.
From Mike Cook, Jr: An announcement about Leo Hess's crash will probably be made later over the CB. I still don't have an FM handset...I should have asked Mike about one when I saw him at the truck stop earlier.
Ack Attack was being towed to the mountain end of the course for an early run as I got here.
E-Z-Hook is "hookin" the trailer now. They plan to be on their way down course asap.
OSU had yet another delay with the motor, but it should be en route from SLC as I type this.
Burkland's liner is on the open trailer and covered with canvas; looks like they might be ready for a run when the team gets here.
There's activity in the Poteet & Main pit at the moment. Last night they told me they'd try for a 260 run this morning.
The air is still at the pit end. No wind. I haven't heard a wind report from the course workers yet, but www.wunderground.com reports calm winds and 61F temp.
A single-engined Cessna just flew over me at about 50 feet altitude in a heavy banking turn....don't know what's up with that. Too bad I was typing and not shooting with the camera...maybe he'll come by again.
That's all for the moment,
RtR
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Update. Speed Demon is on the trailer, ready to tow down to the mountain end.
Ack Attack is very close to making a run. Course is locked down.
FIM official asked me to move my Burb back and I lost my prime viewing location. I relocated a bit closer to the I-80 end and it's not too bad, I'm heading out with the camera to get ready for Rocky's run.
RtR
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I just heard from Charlie Hannekam from the FIM and Rocky is ready to roll. Wind is down and the course is great he says. Go Rock!
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Low Sodium, I was only telling Burklands that the playing field is theirs now and to have a good run.
A big number is so important to so many people and they are the ones with a chance.
FREUD
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Ack Attack safe run, 359 speed into the lights, fastest one-way run for a motorcycle ever. He's stopped at the -1/2 mile, preparing for the turnaround.
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Great news, go get it Rocky :-D
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WOW! Hope the turn around goes well.
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FIM Charles Hennekam just told me that the speed was 360 entering the mile! 352 leaving mile.......that is fast!!!
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Turnaround in progress as I type. One side of the canopy lifted as Rocky was in the middle of tbhe timed section. He rolled out of the throttle slightly, but still got a km and mile speed over 359.
There's a gyrocopter flying around out hear whose pilot insisted to Wes Potter that he had "his airspace" but promised to stay away from the course.
Crew's about finished with the turnaround. More as it happens.
RtR
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GO DO IT TO IT ROCKY!
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Well Ray, the pilots do have a right to fly. This right does not, however, prevent stupidity nor good common sense. As a pilot, I vote for good common sense but I don't always win the vote.
Skip
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I assume BLM got some money for the right to use the area for this event..
I would further asume that it is closed for the event both vertically and horizontally???
Or no? Yes I know the danger in the word 'assume' LOL
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Return run underway. Slowing, chute out. Km sopeed 360.x, Mile 350.x.
More later.
RtR
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An earlier bike run on Monday was scrubbed when the helicopter flew too close to the course and the prop wash hit the bike liner. When the pilot is listening to the photographer on board they do what they *#%& please and have no regard for the safety of the driver on the course. They have to get their shots when a vehicle is slow because they can't keep up after the vehicle is into second gear
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Course is now open, run complete. They're at the big end. No additional return run planned.
Heading for their pits.
RtR
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IMO, a small gyrocopter will not have near the "wash" of a large powered craft. Hopefully, this fellow will have some common courtesy and remain away from the fun.
David
Well Ray, the pilots do have a right to fly. This right does not, however, prevent stupidity nor good common sense. As a pilot, I vote for good common sense but I don't always win the vote.
Skip
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Any report on final averages for speeds??
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WOW way to go,, im so excited for Ack and crew.... Denis Manning I know you are itching to be there.... You had a chance to be there.... To bad for you guys... Rocky, Mike, Top1 Oil and most important the crew NOW WORLD RECORD HOLDER FOR THE FASTEST MOTORCYCLE EVER..... (pending certification) which wont be an issue.... Im so excited... WOW>....
JonAmo
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There was problems with the flying media at speed week as well. Even some on the ground had to be talked to. They don't understand safety or rules, they just want the pictures.
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You all just wait the "Little Green Machine" will have a say....
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JonAmo
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:lol:
Rocky you're the man! Ack, you did it my friend!!!
Remember when you first set the record Rocky, I was the first one there to hand you a bottle of champaign before you even climbed out of the cockpit? I wish I could be there to do the same today at this most historic moment in time.
Congratulations to Top 1, Rocky, Ack, and the crew. Your tenacity made it happen. I like that.
Max
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AND THE BEAT GOES ON !!
Yesterdays excitement was great. This is even greater with possibly more to come.
Way to go, Rock and Mike.
FREUD
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Rocky during the turnaround. I think the exposure is ok, but I'm having trouble with glare on the laptop screen.
A comment just heard on the CB: "Man, that was better than ANY day at Disneyland."
RtR
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Ack is not out of boost yet... large grin.....
I have the data logs from yesterday so if he and Rocky are game....
Time to lean on the engines if he needs too.. and take one tooth away.. bigger grin..
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Any report on final averages for speeds??
+1???
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Way to go Guys :cheers:!!!!!!!!!
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Slim, too bad you are missing the last 2 minutes ( most important time) of the ball game.
FREUD
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WOOOHOOOO!!!! WTFG Ack Attack and Rocky Robinson! Congrats!
Now go Sam, show them what one Kawasaki can do compared to 2 Suzukis :D (har har, JK)
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Oh man, I don't want to jinx anything (knocking on wood) but I've got a good feeling about today! :-D
Congratulation Rocky, Mike and the entire Ack crew...what a great way to start the day boys!!! Good luck on more runs if you do decide to turn up the wick even further.
Alright everybody, pull those belts tight and go real FAST...lets keep the mojo going :cheers:
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They will fix the canopy situation, and you can bet Mike will turn the boost up, and like Dahlgren says take a tooth away and go again... Rocky I'm sure is game.... Eat your heart out Manning....
JonAmo
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Rocky just before the hatch closed and the liner on its way as the return run started.
I don't have the exact numbers on the runs...but I believe the km was 360-something and the mile was 359-something.
RtR
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hint Hint, maybe Manning is the one in the Gyrocopter.....
JonAmo
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Congratulations Rocky and Mike, just tuned back in, what great news, the record is back home.
Sam, your turn...
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Who is up next???
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[quote a :-uthor=landracing link=topic=4720.msg64666#msg64666 date=1222442139]
hint Hint, maybe Manning is the one in the Gyrocopter.....
JonAmo
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Did Delvene do the paperwork for this meet?
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WORLD'S FASTEST. A feeling like no other. Congratulations to the whole ACK team. Sam and #7 are capable. Not since Arfons-Breedlove has such competition existed. Brave men all. Well done. :cheers:
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Sam Wheeler in E-Z-Hook is up next. Course is locked down. Wind report...mostly still occasional gusts to 2 mph
Photo of para-plane or whatever it is.
Stay tuned.
RtR
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E-Z-Hook run underway.
Edit: "mechanical issue" reported. Not clear if run will be completely aborted, started over or continued. Waiting for info on CB.
RtR
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WORLD'S FASTEST. A feeling like no other. Congratulations to the whole ACK team. Sam and #7 are capable. Not since Arfons-Breedlove has such competition existed. Brave men all. Well done. :cheers:
Little Toot
"I think I can. I think I can. I think I can"
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SAame bird!
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Is it possible to get an update on the new record holders class and speed? :cheers:
Paulrlf
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E-Z-Hook appears to be an abort.
Burkland just fired motors. Their ignition and my AC inverter are playin hell with my CB reception .
Here's Charlie, the FIM official looking over the Ack's turnaround.
RtR
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Is it possible to get an update on the new record holders class and speed? :cheers:
Paulrlf
As soon as I get it, you'll get it. I'm a little short-handed. When Jon and Nancy were here, she wrote down the speeds as he typed. I don't have that assistance, nor do I have an FM handset (which Jon was supposed to give me and Mike Cook said he'd check on after Ack's run) and I'm shootin a buncha photographs. And I'm hurrying every chance I get.
RtR
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Little Toot
"I think I can. I think I can. I think I can"
You can't give away your motto Max.. We all know Sam's motto is I know I can. Sam already proved he can...
:)
JonAmo'
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The little engine that could? Little Toot was a tugboat.
Skip
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Ray take it easy, you have all day.
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Congrats to Ack and Rocky...How long is the run up to the timed mile these guys are taking?
Remember the max for BNI is 4 miles then the last timed area. If most of them are taking 5 or 6 a lot can go wrong in that extra mile or so especially with heat. Could be some of the problems that are creeping up......Keep going this fun even if we are not there to see it in person.........................JD
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I spoke with Mike on the phone and he is happy to say the least. Denis already called him to congratulate him. Does not sound like the Ack Attack will run again today......unless the have to!
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No official numbers for the record have been released yet. I just checked with this very happy Mike Akatiff and that's what he told me.He also said that Wheeler's problem was with the chain and gears and wasn't repairable. So it looks like the Ack Attack will walk away with the Fastest Bike Liner title.
RtR
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Congrats to Mike, Rocky, the ack attack crew and top oil.. :cheers: :cheers:
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Congratulations to the Ack crew from the BUB crew. Great work bumping up the record, See you in 2009- Eric
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FIM has just released the speeds:
Mile 358.8881
Km: 360.9130
This bumps the existing record by about 11 mph.
RtR
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Bummer on Sam, but he has no regrets, he was the fastest over the years and will be back. All of the LSR racers have a lot to be proud of. Some of us can't be there but thanks to the wonderful internet and the people who volunteer their time to share it with us is great. Thanks to everyone of you.
:-D :cheers: :cheers:
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I believe the record set by Chris Carr in Denis Manning's 7 was 350.8 mph
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So the only folks left in the game are Buckeye Bullett, Burkland, and Speed Demon. Is this correct? Can't keep track of the players without a program.
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Congrats to Ack and Rocky...How long is the run up to the timed mile these guys are taking?
Remember the max for BNI is 4 miles then the last timed area. If most of them are taking 5 or 6 a lot can go wrong in that extra mile or so especially with heat. Could be some of the problems that are creeping up......Keep going this fun even if we are not there to see it in person.........................JD
There is a total of 12 miles available; not all racers go clear to the end for southbound runs. Several started at 10.5.
Timing tower appeared to be near 6. I think traps are in that area.
You are correct about little things going wrong. A half-mile less would have had Burkland into the highway berm.
The heat is a lot less than August Speed Week. Lots of folks in sweatshirts and parkas with bare legs until 9-10:00.
Highs earlier in the week were 75 to 83. Lows 58-63.(48 one morning)
Tolerable if you are under cover.
Jim
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yes cars cars cars
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While we have a minute . . .
No doubt all the office rats and porch dawgs are VERY thankful for the coverage by the SSS team (I've seen Nancy out in saltwater up to her hoohoo folding tarps, etc) and Ray (don't forget he's hauling lots of gear as he runs around out there). [1] We should all buy a t-shirt and sport Ray to a hot dog!
Now the standard has been set - dare we expect or hope for this fine coverage at other events???????
David in Durango
[1] This sounds like Jon just sits around being pretty and typing . . . .
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FIM has just released the speeds:
Mile 358.8881
Km: 360.9130
This bumps the existing record by about 11 mph.
RtR
Congrats to the entire Ack Attack team and Top 1 oil for making this happen!!
Rocky and the entire team have to be floating high right now....
I am sorry to hear that Sam may not make it back out with his Green Pea Shooter :|
Congrats again... :cheers:
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While we have a minute . . .
No doubt all the office rats and porch dawgs are VERY thankful for the coverage by the SSS team (I've seen Nancy out in saltwater up to her hoohoo folding tarps, etc) and Ray (don't forget he's hauling lots of gear as he runs around out there). [1] We should all buy a t-shirt and sport Ray to a hot dog!
Now the standard has been set - dare we expect or hope for this fine coverage at other events???????
David in Durango
[1] This sounds like Jon just sits around being pretty and typing . . . .
The Portland Poorboy Paypal'd a Paltry Pittance last night.
Mike
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Three liners left:
OSU's Buckeye Bullet 2...I Just heard a cheer from their pit. I just checked while my satellite connection was down. The driver has his suit on and they'll be running soon...or so the plan goes.
Speed Demon: Back in the pits with the skins off. Don't know yet.
Burkland: Still in their pit. They should be towing to the mountain end in about 30 minutes. I just heard, "well, we're ready" come from their pit. They just asked for permission to tow down to the mountain end. Check out the boom camera in that shot.
RtR
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Jarlo...I meant heat under the hood...........
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We should all buy a t-shirt and sport Ray to a hot dog!
David in Durango
Don't say "hot dog" too loud. Jarlo might sorta kinda come unglued. :) I got a friendly lecture about eating a little better than I have been doing. I will.
In any case, I'm havin a whole lotta fun out here. Yeah, it's intense (and I expect it to be more so over the next coupla hours) but it beats the hell outta watchin the toob.
RtR
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Can anyone tell me if there is any video, TV, etc. of this event that will be available? I've seen video cameras in the back ground of many photo's and would assume that someone out there has some great footage.
Also, I saw someone wearing a Burkland t-shirt...any idea how I can get my hands on one?
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some pages before was a discussion about the Summers brothers record with the Goldenrod...
Yes - the record can be broken....you have only to build the right streamliner :roll:
Just to the - what someone called "arrogant" British - the Goldenrod run on a 13+ miles long course - Donald Campbell set his record on a 7 miles long course - his speed out of the four mile marker was 445 mph - to today the fastest speed ever driven with a wheel powered vehicle after 4 miles......Donald got the guts....
Not only this, when he set the record he crossed in the middle of the fourth mile a other course with grooves in which was 4 inch wide and 3 inch deep (from a earlier try)......would anybody at salt would do this.....except John Noonan......
If Donald had the right course he could go 475 - 500 mph.....but unfortunately he was also a hard headed guy and was not interest to come back to Bonneville with the car, where he had in 1960 a heavy accident. The reason is unknown.
Also Donald set the same year - 1964 - a water speed record - to today he is the only person who set a absolute Speed record on land and on water in the same year......just try to break this......
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These pictures are from Rocky Robinson's site, at http://www.rocky-robinson.com/
(http://www.rocky-robinson.com/pages/images/21_jpg.jpg)
(http://www.rocky-robinson.com/pages/images/22_jpg.jpg)
(http://www.rocky-robinson.com/pages/images/43_jpg.jpg)
Here are two pictures of Rocky, before and after today's record run:
(http://www.rocky-robinson.com/pages/images/17_jpg.jpg)
(http://media.gameworldnetwork.com/news_shots/112707370948073b24e24f5.jpg)
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Nice stuff, Dave. That pretty much covers it. I just wish I'd done the photos. :)
OSU is on the way to the mountain end, Burkland is already there and the Top 1 pits have great burgers.
Ron Main told me that they were thru and very happy to have the record...he had USAC certificates in one hand and a burger in the other. The certificates were in a plastic protector, just in case he gets confused as to which hand has what.
RtR
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Jarlo...I meant heat under the hood...........
OK... Understood. It's what adds up to the total, and guys are icing intercoolers, plus whatever it takes. Running at 65 degrees has to be less heat load than 90.
I was trying to paint you a fairly complete picture.
I'm at home, trying to get some work done, just like 100 others.
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Can anyone tell me if there is any video, TV, etc. of this event that will be available? I've seen video cameras in the back ground of many photo's and would assume that someone out there has some great footage.[qoute]
We heard from more than one source that Discovery channel was doing most of the taping. Possibly have ready for public to view by December or January.
I guess remember to check their website in a couple month's time. There may be a chance of all The Disney owned outlets touting it.
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Sure is a lot of people watching this special LSR session. I remember when Andy Green was running and I was logged in all day every day he was running. Boeing sure didn't know what I was doing but someone asked what I was so happy about the day he did it. Yeah it's a great sport to be able to look at results around the clock any where in the world. This is probably the most people ever on landracing.com at one time. Hurray for use and thanks to Jon A. & Jon W. for making it happen.
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Huge congrats to the Mr. Akatiff, Top 1, Rocky Robinson & Ack Attack crew, it was great to follow on this board. Thanks for the instant info, I've been nailed to my screen for days.
Better luck next year to Sam Wheeler & the EZ Hook streamliner. Should be fun to watch the big teams go after it next year.
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Burkland just made a run, mile 404 mile, 403 km, exit speed 416 (??!!!), stopped on course. At this time 12:30 mdt they have 45 minutes left for a turnaround.
Lousy photo, long focal length, major crop.
OSU next.
RtR
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Rocky's normally large grin is even bigger and not likely to deminish any time soon! Congradulations to the Mike and crew for a historical day.
Tod
Most Online Today: 143. Most Online Ever: 187 (June 26, 2007, 04:21:28 PM)
any one know what was happening back on June 26, 2007?
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Must have been an argument of some kind.
Howard Nafzger
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Most Online Today: 143. Most Online Ever: 187 (June 26, 2007, 04:21:28 PM)
any one know what was happening back on June 26, 2007?
Lynch mob for Frankie? :roll: Wayno
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Bucky Bullet is prepared to launch at the mountain end.
Push truck getting 'em up to speed.
Running under its own power.
More as it happens.
RtR
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Any updates on Leo Hess's condition? Any idea what caused the crash?
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This has been an awesome thread. Thanks to SSS, Nancy, Jon, RtR, Deb and all the others who chime in with accurate info.
Hats off to Mike, Rocky and the ACK Team.
I am looking forward to the next time Sam, Bub7 and the NEW WORLD RECORD HOLDERS (pending ratification) Top 1 Oil ACK Team meet. If salt isn't crunching under my feet when that happens, I hope to hear it from those who reported this event.
In all our jubilation lets also remember Lynn, Leo, Timbo and Cliff, those who recently suffered injury or paid the ultimate price living their dreams.
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Most Online Today: 143. Most Online Ever: 187 (June 26, 2007, 04:21:28 PM)
any one know what was happening back on June 26, 2007?
It had to do with the recent rains at bonneville in 07, 8 or 9 pages worth of info that lasted until Speedweek. Or it was the Motel/Hotel thread..
JonAmo
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Tom Burkland just set a new FIA ultimate record for piston cars 415 mph
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OSU's wifi went down for a bit. Just now got back on.
Buckeye Bullet aborted run.
Burkland completed turnaround in 45 minutes, ran back up the course. I don't have the numbers yet, but the consensus seems to be that they got the mile record, but not the kilo.
More as I get it.
RtR
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hell yeah!!!
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Tom Burkland just set a new FIA ultimate record for piston cars 415 mph
Thank you Ack. I appreciate the help.
RtR
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My heartiest congratulations to the Burkland's.
SkipH
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I extend my hearty congratulations to the whole Ack team. What a fantastic effort! Shame for Sam. Looks like the Speed Demon team had lots of fun, as are the Burklands. I can't remember the last time their car ran so many times! My thoughts go to Leo and his team. I hope Lynn is recuperating well. Thanks to Jon, Nancy, Ray and Debbie for letting us indulge this week. I have been itching to get home from work so that I could log on and catch up with all the excitement.
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The record was 405.976 Al teague in 02
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Buckeye Bullet is back in the pits, thrashing to get another run.
According to a crew member, it just stopped accelerating a mile into the run. They don't (or at least he didn't) know why at this time.
In the photo, they're pushing it off then trailer, back under the canopy for a post mortem.
Burkland has requested permission to do a victory lap. :) And I don't know how the numbers got crunched, either.
RtR
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Congratulations also (I thought I did this already but I guess not) to the Ack Attack team and the Speed Demon team. Lynn and Leo get well soon!
SkipH
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Ray the Rat,
My name is Ryan Hall. I'm the night city editor and Wheels reporter at the Great Falls Tribune. We have been following the Burklands (Gene and Betty live here) all week and want to place their new world record on the front page. I've already talked to Betty and just need a photo. Would there be any way you would allow us to use one of your photos, with proper attribution of course, for tomorrow's Tribune?
Contact me at rhall@greatfallstribune.com
Thanks for your great coverage this week. (Please note this site was referred to in today's Tribune story)
-Ryan
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Al Teague has the unlimited piston eng record at 425
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/AB19CCBEAE22D41BC125745F00375686/$FILE/Liste%20Records%20Cat%20A.pdf
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The record was 405.976 Al teague in 02
this is the engine class 10 (FIA - SCTA it would be A) record Al set in 2002 - did Burkland run only one engine?
Al run in 91 - when he set the 425 mph record - in engine class 11 (FIA - SCTA would be AA).
Is it perhaps in the mile? I show the 425 record in the Kilometer. Wayno
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The record was 405.976 Al teague in 02
this is the engine class 10 (FIA - SCTA it would be A) record Al set in 2002 - did Burkland run only one engine?
Al run in 91 - when he set the 425 mph record - in engine class 11 (FIA - SCTA would be AA).
Class 11 - MILE record was 409.982 NOT 425 Pork Pie.... Maybe the kilo but not the mile.
JonAmo
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Here's a good article about the Burkland family and their race car that's on the Montana State University site:
http://www.montana.edu/mountainsandminds/spring2008/burkland/
There's also an excellent, in-depth article on the Burkland streamliner on Ugo Fadini's site:
http://www.ugofadini.com/burklandstory1.html
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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Thanksd to Ray for keeping up the high standard of coverage.
I will take comments on the turnaround time allowed for cars raised last night, to a new thread.
The Burklands should have the mile record - subject to FIA ratification - the kilo is a much stiffer target as PP has noted.
Congratulations to the Top 1 Oil Ack Attack team for getting above BUB7 - might just temp more Brits back into the next round of this challenge.
Malcolm UK
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From the Cycle News site:
Top 1 Oil Ack Attack Sets New Record
360.913 MPH!
On September 26, 2008, after five days of pushing their streamliner motorcycle to new limits on the salt flats of Bonneville, the Top 1 Ack Attack team achieved what it came to do - topple the existing absolute FIM motorcycle land speed record with a blistering 360.913 mph run. At 8:58 MST, team owner Mike Akatiff, driver Rocky Robinson and crew shattered the existing 350.884mph record set by Denis Manning and Chris Carr in 2006. The new record was witnessed by an FIM official onsite, but is still subject to FIM ratification. The historic record was set during the first annual TOP 1 Oil World Land Speed Shootout taking place this week at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Bonneville, Utah.
Source: http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13027
Dave
http://www.roadsters.com/
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Why won't the mile record count if it is 1% gretaer than the existing 409 speed?
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www.greatfallstribune.com now has a short story and one of Ray's photos up on the Burklands. More to come tomorrow on the site.
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www.greatfallstribune.com now has a short story and one of Ray's photos up on the Burklands. More to come tomorrow on the site.
HA HA HA HA HA!
Photo Caption: "The 411 car owned by the Burkland family makes a run earlier this week at the Bonneville Salt Flats (Photo courtesy of Ray the Rat)"
Now that's funny! I hope it gets picked up by some big national papers and they all have to credit the picture to "Ray the Rat"
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I have to admit, that was a first in my career, but the photog gets the name the photog wants.
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www.greatfallstribune.com now has a short story and one of Ray's photos up on the Burklands. More to come tomorrow on the site.
Good for you ! We won't see this kind of coverage in the SL Trib, unless someone dribbled a ball while he ran the course !
Ever since Dick Rosetta retired they just seem to have dorks on the staff who hate racing of any kind, although, Miller raceway has been getting some good press, maybe there's still hope !
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http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080926/NEWS01/80926018&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL
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I must admit I am knew to the LSR game, please let me know if that's the wrong class record.
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The SL Trib to which I subscribe to here in St. George is all foot ball and other sports except motor sports. There is so little the sports section should be a good fish wrapper, along with the St. Geo Spectrum. The inner net is the best source for any motor sport news. There are a lot of Utah people that get little or no write ups in the papers. :?
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Class is corrected per Betty, Thanks!
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Out of curiousity, what is the FIA guy standing there saying? Wayno
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Trib Reporter,
Corrected from what to what? Please.
SkipH/Desert Rose B/BGS
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I see no problem arising and I disagree that the FIA will turn down the Burkland Mile record, if they see fit to ratify the claim from the team and the steward at Bonneville.
In the classes there is no 'priority' of one distance over the other.
A record has to be claimed for the class (A- I - 11, I would excepct} and the distance attempted - so if the mile is one of the distances on the FIA application put forward by the Burklands then of course the speed will be a record at greater than 1%, subject to FIA ratification.
Their mile record speed is slower than the Al Teague kilo (which was timed and ratified by the appropraite US governing body I am sure) but does that matter?
What will not be official in the FIA is any claim to "A World Record" for the flying start mile or kilometre, as they are held by Andy Green at supersonmic speed (being regardless of category, group or class).
Malcol UK
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What is the FIA guy standing there saying?
"The photo credit should say "Ray the dirty Rat."
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Corrected from the Class 10 (405 former record) to Class 11 (409.9 former record for the mile). Both engines were on. Also, please check out the full story on our site tomorrow. Tom's a great interview, as is Betty!
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I know that FIM there is a fee for the mile and there is a fee for the kilo you can pay for one or both... So it is possible the FIA is the same way, as money hungry as they are...
JonAmo
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www.greatfallstribune.com now has a short story and one of Ray's photos up on the Burklands. More to come tomorrow on the site.
HA HA HA HA HA!
Photo Caption: "The 411 car owned by the Burkland family makes a run earlier this week at the Bonneville Salt Flats (Photo courtesy of Ray the Rat)"
Now that's funny! I hope it gets picked up by some big national papers and they all have to credit the picture to "Ray the Rat"
Yup. That's what I asked him to do. I appreciate his willingness to accommodate my insanity...uhhh...eccentricity. Yeah. That's it. Eccentricity. :)
Buckeye Bullet just made a down run with a course blistering speed of 115 mph in the mile and kilo. Had to be pushed into the pits from the 2 mile mark. However, that speed isn't much short of the record they're trying to break...whatever it is...electric barstool, maybe. So they're doing a 1 hour turnaround thrash in hopes of getting it to run a bit faster and complete two runs, if nothing else.
Btw, I sent 2 more photos (posed, of the Burkland team) to the reporter. Ya think I could qualify for "most photos published in a day by a rat?" :)
RtR
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If there is now an "International (absolute) record" in any of the categories, groups and classes then that is news to most people around the world.
Who in the FIA are stating that such things exist when they are not printed in Appendix D?
We have always paid for each and every record in the UK and in Europe - must be nice to have a governing body with a flat fee - all record claims included. Ratification fee comes on top of paying to be allowed to attempt a record.
Malcolm UK
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What is the FIA guy standing there saying?
"The photo credit should say "Ray the dirty Rat."
Well, you'd be a bit dirty if you'd been out here traipsin up and down these here salt flats. I heard tell that Jon and Nancy had to go home to change their undies...so if it's good enough for them it's good enough for me. :roll:
RtR
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Congrat to the Burklands & Crew - well deserved!! :cheers:
From all your Mt. Fans!
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(http://www.thestencilstudio.com/ekmps/shops/thestencilshop/images/camera-rat%5Bekm%5D200x200%5Bekm%5D.jpg)
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Bwahahaha, a few years ago I was sending Ray an email which started: "Dear Rat:"
(because I can't type). Later I was apologizing all over the place and Ray thought it was great . . . .
Not you know the "rat" story . . .
I have to admit, that was a first in my career, but the photog gets the name the photog wants.
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Isn't the FIA always behind in most everything.
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As long as it isn't the other Rat creature, this rat is a cool guy.the other has a prop.
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the FIA is a "behind" mostly . . . or should that be Mosely?
Of course I understand little of our rules . . . . but am happy to live with evenly enforced rules.
Mosely, get it?
Isn't the FIA always behind in most everything.
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Buckeye Bullet update: They have stated that the 115 run was a "shakedown run" and are headed back to the mountain end for another "qualifying run."
I have some photos of their thrash, but got interrupted by a phone call, so I'll get 'em up later.
RtR
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Hey Ray,
Can you ask around and get an update on Leo Hess's condition and see if anyone has any ideas as to what caused the crash?
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Hey Ray,
Can you ask around and get an update on Leo Hess's condition and see if anyone has any ideas as to what caused the crash?
I've asked and haven't gotten an answer. Only the Ack crew are still here as far as the bike liner crews. Them, Burklands, OSU and me...and the USAC dude and track crew are left.
Gettin kinda quiet and peaceful out here, although I think it would be nice to sleep in my own bed tonight, tho. I guess I'm lucky. I only have a 2 hour trip. Lotsa folks with much longer to travel than me.
RtR
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(http://www.thestencilstudio.com/ekmps/shops/thestencilshop/images/camera-rat%5Bekm%5D200x200%5Bekm%5D.jpg)
Not bad. Not bad at all. :)
RtR
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Bwahahaha, a few years ago I was sending Ray an email which started: "Dear Rat:"
(because I can't type). Later I was apologizing all over the place and Ray thought it was great . . . .
Now you know the "rat" story . . .
And that's the truth. PHHHHFFFFT!
RtR
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That just to GOOD!!!!!!!!!! :-D
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So bottom line...how fast did Burkland run on both passes? What was his average speed from both runs? What record did he break? And who held the record prior?
P.S. Congratulations to Tom and the entire Burkland clan on a job well done. :cheers:
P.S.S. How can I get my hands on video and on a Burkland T-Shirt? :-D
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I would buy a Burkland T-shirt!
Mike
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Buckeye Bullet just made another run. Entry speed: 147. Mile 141, kilo 140...or thereabouts. Their intent is to rush back to the pits and refuel. One of the students told me that they are getting a software patch from their system vendor as they are running and will load it into the liner's main computer during refueling. This could open up a whole new can of worms. Does a software patch in between runs constitute an illegal modification? Maybe not now...but in the future???
Intensely concentrating driver:
RtR
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Ray
Were the Burklands having traction or engine problems? Car is capable of way faster speeds.
Good job ''Burklands'' two runs over 400mph in less than an hour ain't easy.
JL222 :cheers:
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While I was on the staff at the BUB meet, I was lucky enough to be standing next to an engineer while he asked Tom Burkland [who did a great job running the short "mountain" course] some very good questions, Tom said that traction was a major issue, there was no way he could use all the power he had, I believe he said [don't quote me] he could only use around 73% of available power, the one factoid that stuck in my mind was the fuel consumption, 78 gallons per run, YOW!!!
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I'll confirm the traction story. Not from me but from a guy who interviewed Tom. He said the timed area was REAL slippery and he had to pedal it big time to keep the wheel spin to a minimum. The way it was explained to me was "slick from condensation." I don't explain 'em, I just report 'em.
But 78 gallons per run? Man!!!
RtR
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I don't think the 78 gallons is correct. That's a lot of fuel even if its both ways. :?
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15 gallons per run at this meet for the Burklands, described to me as 7 and 8, may be where you got that number
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Wow great to hear about the new records!
Congratulations to all!
It is nice to see all the dedication by all the teams delivering new records.
Can't wait to hear all the details of the runs and the thrash to get to the runs.
Larry
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Well, it was at a 6am staff meeting. And this wouldn't be the first time that I've opened my mouth and turned out to be full of......pepperoni!
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Nitro is around $40.00 per gallon, not sure what percentage they run but it's still big $$$$
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Ray,
Would you pass along a BIG congrats to Tom, Betty,Gene, and crew from Paul and "Uncle Bernie" (old 411 studie and datsun pitcrew mmembers). Have been following the events for the last 5 days hoping for this.
:cheers:
Paulrlf
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Trib reporter may be neu to English, too.
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Ray,
Would you pass along a BIG congrats to Tom, Betty,Gene, and crew from Paul and "Uncle Bernie" (old 411 studie and datsun pitcrew mmembers). Have been following the events for the last 5 days hoping for this.
:cheers:
Paulrlf
If I get a chance to talk to 'em again, I sure will.
Right now we're starting to run out of time. The Bullet is the last one trying to get a run in. They just now (5:40 mdt) left for the mountain end. I think this will be either the last run or the next-to-last. If they dont get a good down run, I think they'll pack it in. But I've only been wrong a coupla times before. :)
I'm gettin to the point where I'd really like to get going...but I'll hang in there until we see what happens with the Bullet.
RtR
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Fast Freddy Dannenfeizer was looking at our liner and asked me how big our fuel tank was. I told him 15 gallons. He said that would get him to about the 3 mile make. He said that he uses 21 Gal. for the 5 mile pass.
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Stan, sorry if my English wasn't up to your standards. I'm at work and squeezing posts in while working on the Burkland story. Just wanted to pass on accurate information, figured you guys would get the gist.
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Yeah but that big blown hemi drinks a lot more then your Chevy Doug. :-D
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Trib, he's probably just tired too. You're doing a fine job. Wayno
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Understood. It's amazing how much work you folks have put into blogging this week, especially SSS and Ray. Hopefully, you will all catch the story tomorrow in the Tribune.
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Trib, lets us know when it's posted. thanks for the good job you are doing.
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I'm REALLY enjoying this!
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Burkland is running on methanol, not nitromethane. Remember however the two engines. They had three 55 gallon drums of ERC fuel visible in the trailer.
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Bleeve it or don't we're still here. The Bullet is at the mountain end of the course. It was just announced that this will be the last run in that direction. If it's a good run, they'll try to turn it around and go back.
The course workers have already picked up all the orange cones marking the route back to Land's End. If ya don't hear from me again, send out a search party.
RtR
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HELL! They just announced that the hydrogen tanks have been shut down and the driver is away from the vehicle. Possibility of fire.
RtR.
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Order tee shirts from Betty at Burkland Builders, Inc., RR 1104 574 Maciver Road, Great Falls, MT 59401.
I'm sure a $25 payment would likely cover the shirt and the shipping. As I remember the sizes through XL were $17, XXL was $1 more and XXXL was $3 more than the $17.
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On Behalf of Top 1 Oil Products Company I would like to thank the land racing community for their support and effort this past week for the Top 1 World Land Speed Shootout. I would also like to take this opportunity to wish a full and speedy recovery to Leo Hess and Lynn Goodfellow, our thoughts and prayers with you both.
As for Mike, Rocky, the Crew and the entire Top 1 Ack Attack family, I am at a loss for words...you are some of the finest people I've had the pleasure to know. Collectively you are a dedicated team focused to accomplish your goal. No matter how big or small, over the past 4 years you rose above every challenge in your path and accomplished what only 24 hours ago seemed impossible. You've made history (twice) and nobody can take away from you, enjoy it! Thank you for including Top 1 along for the ride and we now look forward to telling our customers around the world your inspiring and historic story.
Thank you again and God bless you all.
Frank Ryan
Top 1 Oil Products Company
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Frank,
Thank you for supporting an event like this and the ACK team for the last few years. :cheers:
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This is the end. The Bullet will not be able to make the run. There was no fire...but that's all she wrote for this meet.
Word is that there was an "over pressure event in the fuel cells. The pressure release damaged the rear body section and the fuel cell cover." No fire. Driver is fine. Might need to change the firesuit, but according to the team spokesman it was a "non-threatening event."
I'm outta here.
RtR
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Thanks Ray! :cheers:
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YouDa' Man Ray!
Thanks again for all you have done! :-D
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8-) Before everyone signs off here I would like to thank everyone involved with this post for all their hard work and congratulate all the competitors.
Speedy recovery to Lynn and Leo.
This was a blast for me. I miss the salt and all my friends who show up there. I have not made it since 2003 when I sold my last streamliner to Earl Wooden.
Someday I hope to be able to make the trip again.
Howard Nafzger
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Thanks to Mike Cook for making it happen.
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Thanks to Mike Cook for making it happen.
You ain't just a'woofin' buddy. I'm sure Cook worked his ass off to make this happen. Wayno
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What a great week, thanks Cook Jon and Ray ,saftey crews and staff, now its off to the Gas Up. :cheers:
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Well at least now I can get busy on getting out Bike ready for the next meet....been "wasting" time :cheers: anxiously awaiting the LSR reports for the Top 1 Top Speed Shootout and I want to thank all that made it happen especially Top 1 oil and lubricants and Mike Cook for getting it together.
J
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Nancy and I made it to Billings, Montana today -- and found this forward from Glen Barrett who got it from Roy Creel.
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Cook, I know you wont get this till you get home, but... I envy you,
What a great event, with few folks, perfect weather and salt, and participants that know what they are doing.
The outstanding coverage presented by landracing.com kept us all on the edge of our seats. Thank you for accomodating them.
Best of all, you have filled the gap that the SCTA-BNI could not do for the very fast cars and bikes.
Congratulations
Cree
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Thanks to all- :cheers:--now back to unloading from WOS- :-D--lol
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This has by far been the best week at work EVER, sitting here and "refreshing" all say long!!! Thank you very much to SSS, Nancy, RTR, Mike Cook for putting on the event, Top 1 for backing it and to all of the brave drivers and teams that came out to put the "pedal to the metal." Sorry about Nish's bad fortune AGAIN, I'm sure they will be back stronger then ever next season. Keep it up fellas you'll get that damn record sooner or later. I wish Goodfellow and Hess a speedy recovery and that they get back to the salt to try again some day soon. This meet is what dreams are made of and for Poteet & Main, Ack and Burkland those dreams were realized. Next year looks to be a barn burner, as many teams will be gunning for the glory that only the Bonneville Salt Flats can bring. Thanks again and also to all of the landracing.com members for all of your excellent incite. :cheers:
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The return of the Rat.
Just got home. I'm lucky. I only had a 2 hr drive. I get to shower in my own shower; sleep in my own bed. Best of all, I don't have to type on that D***ED LAPTOP KEYBOARD OR SQUINT INTO THE GLARE!!!
It was an uneventful drive home...I cranked up the music from Big Organ Trio and Blind Faith. I played the bass in my head. Made the drive an easy one.
I'd like to give some props. Jon Wennerberg, thank you for having the faith in me and my photography which allowed me to be there. You made it possible for me...period. I thank you again.
To Mike Cook and all the course workers: Absolutely Wonderful Job!!! Linda at Land's End, Wes, everybody else...WAY TO GO!!!
And to all the wonderful people who put up with my camera and questions and "cub reporting" I thank you for your patience. There are a coupla crew guys (and one kind lady) on Ron Main's crew who went the extra mile to help me out and made me feel like part of the team. You guys (and lady) know who you are. And the people I met in passing who were friendly, informative and just good folks. Big, big thanks.
To Top 1 Oil for standing behind this meet. Great job. I wouldn't have much to photograph if you hadn't been there.
To all those who read and posted on this forum...and those who read and DIDN'T post...thank you for just being there.
Finally, a very sincere thanks to Gunga Din, my gun bearer and umbrella holder. Thanks, man. You helped me get through this and not fall over from the heat or starvation. To quote Rudyard Kipling, "You're a better man than I, Gunga Din." :)
I'm gonna shower and sleep for...well, until I wake up to clean out the Burb that's been lived in off and on for about 3 weeks.
RtR, over and out.
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i have a question. why do the racers need to pay the fim or the fia to certify the hard
earned records that where established this week. is it not enough that all the racers
that where running this week spend a hell of a lot of money building there cars or bikes
that where there also the entry fees the gas to get to bonneville and home fuel for
the race vehicles spare parts food hotels and any other things that are needed.
it seems like the fia/fim have a licence to steal from the racers.
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Think about something folks.......
We have an absolute luxury, instant play by play commentary and pictures of the best of the best. This is something that has not ever been seen in our sport. With no slight towards Jon Amo and the fine job he has done on covering meets before. But to have SSS and Ray giving play by play coverage in real time for the whole meet has been unbelieveable. This has been an historical week in both records set and the recording of those events on this site. My hat is off to Jon and Nancy and to especially Ray. I don't think you had any intentions of being chief photographer and cub reporter for this site, but you did an awesome job on both counts. You and I are lucky as we are both from Taylorsville and can go to these meets on a whim as they are so close to home. But I do envy you as you were able to make the whole deal and I could only play hooky for a day. But what a day it was and I will never forget it. I look forward to my next trip to the salt as much as I looked forward to my first - with wide eyed admiration of my heroes who stepped onto the vast white mecca before me and my heroes who have yet to make history there. Thank you all.........
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Yeah Racefan, Just another reason to tell the FIA to " Go pound sand in a gopher hole". I remember back in the early 60's you had to join FIA to race in the Motor trend 500 at Riverside. Never did understand what they did for the money they got.
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What an event to follow from afar. Well done to all involved in any capacity - even the Porta Pottie person (who seems not to have been SSS).
The FIA seek funding to ratify the records claimed as they have a committe who study all the papers sent from the bid after just three days. I am told that the committee uses modern technology but they review the actual paperwork - timesheets, Steward report, Technical official report.
Can you use a computer on software? Yes, if the Steward of the FIA (or in this case a US Official on their behalf) has been told that such a 'tool' will be used. I do this by presenting a manifest of such equipment before the runs start. Why - because such a computer and software could be considered to be beyond that found in a 'normal roadside vehicle repair shop'. If you tell them then you are 'safe'.
The application to run for the records under FIA, list each of the current records a driver seeks to break before the attempt (I know because I have filled out so many). The FIA Steward will have the exact details at his fingertips. The FIA are only behind if they have yet to ratify a record set a few months back from any date, Louise Ann Noeth filled in many of the gaps and the lists look sound.
It looks to me as though someone speaking on behalf of the FIA in 2002 has wrongly interpreted how you break a record if they say that for the flying start the faster run has to beat the fastest of kilo or mile. If that were ever the case the '83 record of Richard Noble would never have been attained. There is no favouring one distance over the other. You can only break a record in the category, group and class that you have entered and been passed technically correct and competed within the rules.
There are FIA World Records for each distance (shorets is 1/8 mile)and type of start (standing start) that they list in Appendix D; regardless of category, group or class. So the difference between wheeldriven and Thrust propelled has been swept away, except in the minds of the so called 'purists' who wish to see automobiles rise again to prominence. (call be a purist or an anorak). Andy has the mile and kilo and is the only holder of an "absolute" world record.
Malcolm UK.
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Thanks to Mike Cook for making it happen.
What a great event! In a nutshell this is how it all took place. A few car guys and a few motorcycle guys felt a need for such an event. These guys created a pool of money and hired Mike Cook to put it all together for them. That he did in spades.
Top 1 Oil's role in the event was in supervising and financing the publicity.
Thanks to Mike Cook, without him this event would never have taken place. A special thanks to all who helped make it happen--the volunteers. The coverage on landracing.com was first class and second to none.
Max
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Mike Cook has learned how to put on a meet based on years of running on the salt. This year's Top One Shootout proves it.
Crowd control is a must at this kind of a meet. You either were in the pits or in the watchers area when a run was ready to start. Some kids on bikes and a 4 wheeler learned the hard way when their vehicles were banned from moving for the balance of the meet after they didn't observe the lock down. Not that they were in the way but they didn't observe the rules of the event. Problem solved! Course watchers were spaced every mile down the course and status reports on a racer were in line with the potential high speeds of the meet. A chase truck followed each racer while they were under power on the course as well. Fire and ambulance were moving when a racer passed and the Shearers were on top of vehicles as they slowed on course. Nothing was left to chance. The problems that occurred could have been far worse if not for the immediacy of help. Covering twelve miles of track isn't easy but the safety people did it. The Rice brothers ran a good, safe, professional meet. The biggest problem I was aware of in the three full days I was in attendance had to do with lunch for the workers. Growling stomachs as the only complaint is a complement to Mike and his crew. The Honey Bucket folks kept that part of the meet clean and as odor free as is possible freeing the Potty Prince for his internet postings. The Landracing.com coverage from Jon and Nancy then from Ray gave everyone at a computer the immediacy of being on site. About the only thing you missed was the sounds of the meet and the passing traffic on I-80, so close to the zero start. Oh yes, the golf balls the Ohio State crew were hitting were factory colored a brilliant yellow. They could have made a statement by using red golf balls on the white salt, their school colors.
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This coverage was second only to being there. Thanks to all who were involved. Wish all of the news agencys could do as well. [They're too busy chasing somebody with a ball in their hands]. SSS did you wave when you passed by the Saltcat team in Columbus Mt. ? Good job everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
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Mike Cook has learned how to put on a meet based on years of running on the salt. This year's Top One Shootout proves it.
Crowd control is a must at this kind of a meet. You either were in the pits or in the watchers area when a run was ready to start. Some kids on bikes and a 4 wheeler learned the hard way when their vehicles were banned from moving for the balance of the meet after they didn't observe the lock down. Not that they were in the way but they didn't observe the rules of the event. Problem solved!
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Oh yes, the golf balls the Ohio State crew were hitting were factory colored a brilliant yellow. They could have made a statement by using red golf balls on the white salt, their school colors.
Great job on the bike/atv banning, Wes. If they don't learn the first time...well, maybe they just won't do that again.
And I appreciate the clarification on the "yellow balls" thing. Like I said, I didn't check anyone's balls. :)
I guess that for an old fart, 7 hours of sleep is a long night. But I plan some naps today...while files are transferring from the laptop.
Nice to sleep in my own bed.
RtR
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sss and nancy (nice to meet you @ bub nancy)--- got salt? 5-6 weeks reporting FROM bonneville. great job; outstanding to you two and all others who helped .one more salt event to go; can't wait. check is in the mail. hope others who enjoyed all that was done can help also.
franey
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Ray,
You got top front page coverage in the Great Falls Tribune this morning on your photo of the Burklands!
Im sure the credit of Ray the Rat will cause a few chuckles.
Once again I just wanted to say thanks and great job on your photos.
Paulrlf
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haven't had time to read the last 16 pgs. of mainframe downloads yet.if its been brought up already, sorry. but-were all those golfballs accounted for ? or will someone " find " one in the wrong place ? or at wot? keep your your hobby where it belongs. i don't run my bike down your fairway.
franey
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You got that right. Did these golfers use tees? Running over something like that at a high speed could cause a catasrophe of epic proportions.
Max
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I, too, would like to offer my sincere thanks to everybody who reported on this event. We all owe you a huge debt of gratitude.
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As a racer, I'll have to tell you I'm having withdrawal pains at seeing the end of this great thread.
Does anyone know if Leo Hess has given his assessment as to why his liner went down?
How did his accident happen? What speed was he going? I have a pin on my streamliner that drops through leg restraints at the point of my riders ankles. When the rider exits and the handlebars come up this pin is mechanically lifted for quick exit. Does Leo's machine or any of the other liners have this safety feature?
Max
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haven't had time to read the last 16 pgs. of mainframe downloads yet.if its been brought up already, sorry. but-were all those golfballs accounted for ? or will someone " find " one in the wrong place ? or at wot? keep your your hobby where it belongs. i don't run my bike down your fairway.
franey
Although I'm not one to go around checking on people's balls, I believe there was only one of them; no tees used and a guy at "the other end" of the chip shot to retrieve the ball. The likelihood of their amusement causing any safety issues is very, very small.
RtR
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Great job reporting RtR, Jon & Nancy and great pics by all. Thanks to Mike Cook, Top1 Oil for putting on a great event. Congreatulations to The Burklands, Poteet & Main, the Ack Attack gang, Mormon Missle, OSU for your new records. The rest of the competetors tried hard and I'm sure they will "get er done" another time, good luck. Wishing a speedy recovery to the guys who got hurt, hope to see you back on the Salt next year.
Now I guess I will have to do some work at work. :-D
Fred
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Yup, thanks out to Mike Cook, his crew, all the racers and their crew, the sponsors, Slim and Ray, and the members of this board for making this the closest thing to "being there" ever at a racing event I've seen. Would have made a good mini-series.
To Lynn and Leo, get well soon. We are pulling for you.
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Hello from the Mormon Missile team,
I've never done this forum thing before, so I hope I'm doing it right. We have really appreciated all of the comments, so I'm writing to let you know of Lynn's condition:
I just spoke with dad on the phone, and I’ thought I’d send and email out and let you know that he’s doing very well. His improvement since Thursday has been dramatic. He’s still in the hospital, and will most likely need some skin grafts on his hands, but he’s up and about, his swelling has gone down considerably, he’s taking on nourishment, has showered, etc. Everyone who has visited him says that he’s 100% better than when I was there on Thursday night. He’s off the morphine and able to think clearer now, and all he wanted to talk to me about was how he wants to improve the car! I’m sure this is no surprise to most of you. Anyway, he sends his love and deep gratitude to everyone for your support, prayers, and visits.
Back here at home, we've already cleaned up the 'missile and have started to take it all apart for rebuilding. The damage to the engine compartment was very minimal, same with the body work. We've got some work to to with the wiring and the cockpit plumbing.
Thanks,
Kurt Goodfellow
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Kurt
Thanks for the up date. we are all pulling for him and Leo as well. Looking forward to seeing him back. :-)
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Here's my article today. Please note it's "dumbed down" for non-land speed racing folks.
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080927/NEWS01/809270301&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL
Hope I did well for my first LSR article.
-Ryan Hall
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Ryan...I think this might help. :)
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200809261400/NEWS01/80926018 (http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200809261400/NEWS01/80926018)
RtR
(furiously cleaning the Burb, washing undies, etc.)
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Ryan, good article, the Montanans have always been at the forefront of LSR.
RtR, great pictures of the events. Thanks for keeping us from wearing out our chairs, the edge of mine is showing wear but the back has been untouched for a week....
Congratulations to all, winners and attempters, for a great event.
Lynn and Leo, here's hoping for a speedy recovery for both.
And Jon thanks for developing and Jon and Nancy for continuing the greatest website for gearheads in the world.
One meet left, see ya on the salt 8-)
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Here is today's front page:
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/multimedia/frontpage.pdf (http://www.greatfallstribune.com/multimedia/frontpage.pdf)
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Ryan, You Guys kick the Gazette's ass quite regularly. This is another example. Keep it up. Doug, Saltcat Racing, Columbus Mt. [It won't even get the courtesy of a mid-week filler on page 20 here]. You guys also did a great job on the Great Falls car show. Thanks!! :cheers:
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Wow. I can honestly say that I've never made the front page of anything, with anything, for anything. 'Course if I'd had a lick of sense, I wouldn't have been standing there as the car came blasting by, but like Dean's tag line says, "It's bigger than life or death...it's RACING!"
I wish I'd had the camera set to color (I'd been shooting photos of photos if that makes any sense and thought I'd returned to color...duh) when I was out in a torrential downpour at Miller's for the Grand-Am 1000k season finale. I spose getting soaked to the skin for a shot falls into the same dumbass category. :)
RtR
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I would just like to echo the sentiments already expressed in this fantastic thread. What a gripping story over the week, with such detail conveyed to help us readers envisage the drama as it unfolded. We try to cover all speed events in our magazine, Fast Facts, for the Speed Record Club members, and have been shown how live reporting can, and should, be done. Brilliant job to you all.
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"looks that the FIA (SCTA) guys at the salt didn't know not again there own rule book "
First of all Pork Pie, you know as well as I that the SCTA had nothing to do with this event.
Sounds like you need to unwad your panties and directly tell USAC and Betty Burkland that they do not qualify to hold the record. This is not a SCTA-BNI related issue.
Please let me know how that works out for you,
DW
DW
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Thanks to all that contributed to this thread, SSS,Jon A, Ray and many others, live updates were nearly as good as being there (if i say that often enough i will believe it :-D) At least a huge improvement on getting a result sheet at the end of the meet. :cheers:
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Just got home from the Top One Shootout. Man, what a week! Mike Cook, Mike Junior, and the rest of the gang were outstanding... We had 12 miles of hard, fast salt. Started right next to hwy 80 and ran till the salt turned to mud on the other end. Kati and Dennis Maloney fed everyone hot grub each day (compliments of Top One) and Seldom Seen Slim and Nancy did the play by play until they had to leave. Ray the Rat never missed a beat from there on.
We pitted between the Nish liner and Leo Hess and his nitro burning billet V Twin racer. Leo and his crew were a lot of fun and it was such a shame to see Leo go down Thursday afternoon. I wish him all the best and hope they come back some day and continue their quest. Terry Nish was fun to talk to and I learned a lot just hanging around him for what little time we had.
My new best buddy is Tom Burkland. What a machine and what a guy. He let me take a peek inside his cockpit and told me I could climb in if I wanted to. I took a pass but thanked him for the invite. I heard that his 427 return run was at somewhere around half throttle because he couldn't get hooked up for whatever reason. Big horsepower and Tom's got big b___ uh, brains. Very smart guy... Betty, Gene and Rex were a wealth of information and they seemed to appreciate what we were doing on two wheels as much as the 4 wheel racers.
Sam Wheeler will always be my hero and he ran hard. 352 through the lights leaning dangerously askew. By the time he regained control he missed the second light but luckily kept her right side up. On the final day the stars aligned and the Ack Attack did what we all knew it could do. Two passes back to back over 360 mph. Both times the cockpit popped open on the right side and all I could hope for was that I too had enough b___ uh, brains not to screw things up. When it was over I hugged everyone and everything that had a pulse. Wow!
Then Sam got to go one more time. If anyone has the right stuff, it's Sammy. Mechanical problems put an end to his attempt just as they did to us in 2006 when we thought we had more to show. Ron Main and George Poteet were a lot of fun and worked their butts off just like us, changing engines and setting records. These guys are cool. Well...they did built a rubberband powered car but they're still cool in my book :-D...
The Mormon Missile was impressive and very fast. Sorry to see them catch fire and I wish their driver a speedy recovery. I talked to Terry over at the Buckeye Bullet headquarters. They didn't run till the last day due to a complete electric motor rebuild. They had a lot of down time and when I came by I noticed a hand lettered sign hanging from their welder: Will Weld For Beer. College guys...you know. Terry explained to me how that thing worked. I scratched my head and nodded intelligently and then left before he asked me any questions about what he'd just told me. They did get to run on Friday and it was cool to see them zoom down the salt making little to no noise.
Great meet, and I hope the first of many to come. Thanks to Mike Akatiff and the crew for everything they did. I get to ride the fastest motorcycle on the planet and they won't even let me work on it (except the parachutes). Thanks to Top One for all the promotional aspects of the event and again to Mike Cook and his gang for being the true professionals they are.
Hope to see you all next year!
Rocky Robinson
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Congrats Rocky! I really enjoy reading all of the things you write.
Scott
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Rocky I guess with the statement see you next year that Mike isn't going to retire the liner after he gets the record.
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I don't have an answer for that. All I know is it was the time of my life and I enjoyed every minute of it, even if it turned my hair gray and probably gave Tricia ulcers.
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Congrats Rocky. Great job and great post.
Walt
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:cheers:
Hey Rocky,
I'm anxiously waiting for your next book. "Flat Out" told it all. My question is, what will be the title of your next book? "The World's Fastest Motorcycle" title has already been taken.
"The World's Fastest Motorcycle 2"?
and then?
You guys have done a great job, and getting to read about it is the frosting on the cake.
Whatever you title your next book I'm buying it!
Congrats,
Max
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Rocky did a great job and is a very talented motorcycle racer and a nice guy.
The Top 1 Ack Attack is officially retired but never say never. If someone breaks our record in the near future we could run it again.
To run against our own record has never made sense to me. Motorcycle streamliners are dangerous complex beasts as recent events have demonstrated. A gust of wind, a piece of sharp debris on the track, a mechanical failure can put you on your head.
I would like to thank the many people that helped make this record a reality.
Top 1 Oil and the Ryan family which has been so supportive of us and land speed racing.
Mike Cook who has put together what can become a truly world class event. Mike with the help many volunteers did a truly professional job of running the event and his effort and dedication to advancing land speed racing should be recognized.
Charlie Hennekam the FIM technical coordinator, Drew Gatewood the AMA/FIM Stewart and Ken Saillant the AMA sports director for making sure all the proper people and pieces were in place to certify the record.
Our crew Ken Puccio, Frank Milburn, Jim True, Jim Leale, Greg Akatiff, and Chuck Bullwinkle. Yes we had Rocky and Bullwinkle on our team.
Ken Puccio a great welder and fabricator and Frank Milburn is a skilled machinist and designer. Without their help the streamliner would have probably never been completed.
Mike Cook, Mike Jr, Glen Barrett, Jim Jensen, Dana Wilson, Tom Evens and all the SCTA volunteers who made us feel welcome and gave us their support when we showed up for the first time at Speed Week in 04.
Dick Lague and Ignition 3 who started following us and documented much of our effort and who along with Chet Burk produced The Worlds Fastest Motorcycle DVD. Dick along with John Stein published The Worlds Fastest Motorcycle Book.
Denis Manning who has been a huge supporter of land speed racing.
Jon Amo and Jon Wennerberg and Landracing.com
Tom, Gene and Betty Burkland for the encouragement and support they have given us.
Dave Dahlgren who built up the Motec systems we use and was either there with us or on the phone with us whenever we needed him.
If I named everybody Jon W would probably ban me from the site for using up too much bandwidth.
Mike Akatiff
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Rocky and Ack,
Congrats on the record. Rocky, I know how you feel when they won't let you work on the car. That's happened to me on more than one occassion.
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If I named everybody Jon W would probably ban me from the site for using up too much bandwidth.
Mike Akatiff
Mike, I would name every last one of them. This topic has had over 20,000 views!
The excitement has been unparalleled in the history of LSR. For those of us that compete on a much smaller scale and work towards setting a record in a particular class, viewing the absolute record being broken in real time has been spectacular.
It takes a massive amount of work and an equal amount of salt/weather luck to even make the attempt. Mike and Rocky and the thousand other people that worked on the liner, the engine, the course setup, timing, inspection, all deserve congratulations on not only climbing the Mt. Everest of motorcycle records, but adding 10 mph to it!
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Adding 10 is less than half of what Ack and Rocky added the last time they held the record. Now they are 2 time holders of the fastest motorcycle record not to mention they unified the title.... :-D
OK, what I mean is they not only hold the record, but they also have the fastest motorcycle in the world. Previously Sam had the fastest bike but Chris and Denis held the record. Again congratulations to everyone, it is a tremendous accomplishment.
We have witnessed Jon's Landracing.com dream. While Jon A provided on the spot real-time coverage in the past, technology has taken us closer to the action, and this meet had the action to hold the attention of a lot of folks. A lot of things have to come together for all of this to work. Thanks again to the Jons, Nancy and RtR.
See ya on the salt 8-)
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Anyone have an address of the hospital Leo is in? I spoke to one of his crew members Friday night and he indicated Leo would be there 3 weeks to a month. I'd like to send him a card and think others would like to also.
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(http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v364/69/50/1114496579/n1114496579_30162146_6627.jpg)
Are these stickers available?
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Decals are available from Jon W. at landracing.com
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Anyone have an address of the hospital Leo is in? I spoke to one of his crew members Friday night and he indicated Leo would be there 3 weeks to a month. I'd like to send him a card and think others would like to also.
Lynn Goodfellow is at the University of Utah Medical Center in Salt Lake. They had no record of Leo Hess when I was asking about both of them yesterday. The person I spoke with wouldn't confirm that Leo had even been there citing HIPA regulations. He may have been released to go home with the pin in his ankle if the other injuries aren't critical. Apparently they don't require a patient to stay in the hospital if continuing care is not needed.
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Chris:
Yes, we've got landracing.com stickers. No, they're not exactly like the one on the Ack bike. We're selling them for $2 each or 3 for $5, plus about two bucks for postage ($1.38 is first class rate) and shipping (envelope that's firm enough to not warp 'em is 97 cents plus tax at Wal-Mart. We're still shopping for a more efficient way to mail -- but for now -- that's what it costs. Someplace in this computer I've got the artwork and could send you an exact copy -- but it goes something like:
I visit and support
WWW.LANDRACING.COM
the fastest website on the planet
Centered, of course, and about 11" long and 3 1/2" tall. Blue backing with white print.
Now the deal: I'll send you one or two if you send me a donation of at least $20. I've been doing this for the donations that came in recently, too. I need a mailing address as well as your donation. If you want to make it easy -- go to the Paypal button on the lower left corner of the home page and donate that way, and I think there's even room for you to put your address in the contribution form.
Thanks. Now that I've got your attention (I'm speaking to everyone here) -- we've also got a batch of "old" ('07 and before) Salt Talks t-shirts to use up. Most years, many sizes -- but probably not every one you might want, so think of it as a way for you to donate and get something back for your kindness. $10/shirt, plus about 5 bucks for S & H. Multiple shirt orders will be $10/shirt plus $5 TOTAL, or, for instance, three shirts will be $35. Send an address, as above.
Thanks to all that have already donated. Thanks in advance to all that will do so in the near future, and especially to those who'll help us reduce the "inventory" of shirts that are in our storage room.
Final note -- I'll try to figure out how to put a store back on the site. I expect that there are a number of things that you folks might want -- that I could find, sell, and use the proceeds to help pay for this site.
Deep Enough!
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:-o
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Anyone have an address of the hospital Leo is in? I spoke to one of his crew members Friday night and he indicated Leo would be there 3 weeks to a month. I'd like to send him a card and think others would like to also.
Leo is at Intermountain Medical Center in Murray, UT on the 11th floor.
http://intermountainhealthcare.org/xp/public/imed/ (http://intermountainhealthcare.org/xp/public/imed/)
Phone number there is 801-507-7000
I tried to circumvent the gatekeepers and the HIPPA bs by claiming to be his cousin. (A friend did that when I was in the hospital after a heart attack...but it was before HIPPA started biting people on the ass.) I ws told that they have disconnected the phone in the room; all calls are being routed through his wife's cell phone and no information about his condition is to be given out except to family members.
So I guess that means I otta keep my day job of photographer and not go into a new career as private investigator, right? :)
But we know where he is and the hospital's address is on the web page.
I done my best.
RtR
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Pork Pie,
I was not involved with the Jim True FIA attempt from either the FIA or SCTA.
DW
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:-o
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Thanx RTR for Leo's info, wonderful reporting job by the way....... Had me on the edge of my seat! :-o
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SSS,
I used to have a friend that bought the old Paradise Hot Springs property - he would get letters from his daughter addressed:
Daddy
Paradise
Either I am senile (a given), or can't read . . .
I'll just send my donation to:
SSS and the Lovely Nancy
Way up North
OK? I'll need some large (because I am now prosperous) t-shirts and maybe some stickies.
David in Durango
Champion Chinese Buffet Participant, 2006?
Chris:
Yes, we've got landracing.com stickers. No, they're not exactly like the one on the Ack bike. We're selling them for $2 each or 3 for $5, plus about two bucks for postage ($1.38 is first class rate) and shipping (envelope that's firm enough to not warp 'em is 97 cents plus tax at Wal-Mart. We're still shopping for a more efficient way to mail -- but for now -- that's what it costs. Someplace in this computer I've got the artwork and could send you an exact copy -- but it goes something like:
I visit and support
WWW.LANDRACING.COM
the fastest website on the planet
Centered, of course, and about 11" long and 3 1/2" tall. Blue backing with white print.
Now the deal: I'll send you one or two if you send me a donation of at least $20. I've been doing this for the donations that came in recently, too. I need a mailing address as well as your donation. If you want to make it easy -- go to the Paypal button on the lower left corner of the home page and donate that way, and I think there's even room for you to put your address in the contribution form.
Thanks. Now that I've got your attention (I'm speaking to everyone here) -- we've also got a batch of "old" ('07 and before) Salt Talks t-shirts to use up. Most years, many sizes -- but probably not every one you might want, so think of it as a way for you to donate and get something back for your kindness. $10/shirt, plus about 5 bucks for S & H. Multiple shirt orders will be $10/shirt plus $5 TOTAL, or, for instance, three shirts will be $35. Send an address, as above.
Thanks to all that have already donated. Thanks in advance to all that will do so in the near future, and especially to those who'll help us reduce the "inventory" of shirts that are in our storage room.
Final note -- I'll try to figure out how to put a store back on the site. I expect that there are a number of things that you folks might want -- that I could find, sell, and use the proceeds to help pay for this site.
Deep Enough!
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You're very welcom, Xea. I'm pleased to hear that you enjoyed the play-by-play. It was a team effort (well, 'til Jon and Nancy ran outta clean undies and had to go home to change their dainties :-D) This was my first shot at something like this. I really didn't know what to expect or do...it was sorta like, "this is a test. If this had been a real alert you would have been instructed to spread yer legs, bend over and kiss yer butt goodbye"...or something like that.
Seriously, I just tried to follow Jon's excellent format and bring "all the news that's fit to print." Hmmm....well...more or less.
Right now, I'm trying to edit photos from WoS. I have an idea of how I wanna present it (a little differently than I've done in the past) and I'd like to get some feedback...and as long as I'm typing this, I might as well add the request for feedback, huh?
So. Usually I just group the shots by day and sequence number. This time, I thought I'd make a section for what I think are eye-catching shots for the whole WoS meet, then add another section for "sequences." For example, I shot one sequence of photos of Ye Olde Dragon approaching the start line, then getting the go-ahead from Monte, and blowing huge clouds of diesel smoke down the course. At the moment there are 13 photos in this sequence.
The idea behind the separation is to present a quick overview without having a lot of repetition, but add those sequences that tie things together...like a launch or a drivier getting strapped into a car...or even Pork Pie trying to blow his brains out with a deadly finger as in the attached photo.
Any ideas, opinions, suggestions? I'm trying to do this to keep my site from having a boring series of photos (it may already qualify for that)...or just to make it a little more interesting.
A anxiously await any feedback, either here or PM or email
Thanks,
RtR
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Ha ha! Wonder what he's thinking?? :mrgreen:
Mike
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Ray, no complaints here, a great job of reporting and selection of photos. Be careful, Jon w. will add you to the porta crapper duty as well, :-D :roll:
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...or even Pork Pie trying to blow his brains out with a deadly finger as in the attached photo.
RtR
just bringing the ear plugs in the right postion......or may be this which is between :-D
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hope that leo and lynn are doing better.
osu colors are scarlet and gray.
i can't say enough good things about delvene and crew -- 9 hrs. on the phone in '06; 5 hrs in up to mid '07; about 5 hrs. w/ cooper in '07 ; 1&1/2 w/ drew gatewood this year. always prompt , always courteous w/ anything i had to ask or say. it's a young event like someone said. hell, i'm still making mistakes & bad decisions & learning to do things the right way in life.
thanks again to all who have helped me and a big thank you to diane for putting up w/ me, the bike and 'in the garage' and for liking us going to the salt!
congrats to the new record holders.
franey
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...or even Pork Pie trying to blow his brains out with a deadly finger as in the attached photo.
RtR
just bringing the ear plugs in the right postion......or may be this which is between :-D
Ahhh....attitude adjustment. I understand now. You couldn't possibly be looking at the young lady in the photo, could you? :)
RtR
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...or even Pork Pie trying to blow his brains out with a deadly finger as in the attached photo.
RtR
just bringing the ear plugs in the right postion......or may be this which is between :-D
Ahhh....attitude adjustment. I understand now. You couldn't possibly be looking at the young lady in the photo, could you? :)
RtR
Pork Pie:
I've been to Germany; they have those soft, rounded, things there also. :-o Especially around Munchen during Octoberfest. Don't try to tell us you're looking at something really unique to Utah.
However, in my opinion, being a tall person, I thought the best looking ladies were around the Hamburg area. Lots of Nordic influence and transparent blouses. My wife at the time was highly upset that I wasn't paying as much attention to her as I should.
Regards, Hope to see you in about a week.
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Quoting from the AMA Pro Racing site at AMAFlatTrack.com:
AMA Congratulates Rocky Robinson and the Top 1 ACK Attack Team for New Motorcycle Land-speed Record
September 30, 2008
The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) is pleased to congratulate rider Rocky Robinson, builder/owner Mike Akatiff and the rest of the Top 1 ACK Attack team on setting a new absolute FIM (Federation Internationale de Motocyclisme) motorcycle land-speed record at the Bonneville Salt Flats on Sept. 26.
Set at a private meet that featured both four- and two-wheeled competitors and representatives from both the FIM and the FIA (Federation Internationale de l'Automobile), Robinson made two passes with an average speed of 360.913 mph through the measured kilometer in the center of a 12-mile course. The previous record two-way average of 350.884 mph was set by rider Chris Carr and builder/owner Denis Manning at the BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials, also held at the Bonneville Salt Flats, in 2006.
The achievement will become an official world record pending FIM ratification.
"There are many types of motorcycle competition, from trials to road-racing, but one achievement that riders of all stripes can appreciate is the absolute land-speed record," said AMA President and CEO Rob Dingman. "Since the first two-wheeled vehicle rolled under its own power, riders have been searching for ways to make their motorcycles go faster. Thanks to Rocky, Mike and the Top 1 ACK Attack team, those at the frontier of this exciting area of competition now have a new threshold to surpass."
The Top 1 ACK Attack team previously held the motorcycle land-speed record for two days in 2006 before Carr and Manning overtook them during the same meet.
Source: http://www.amaflattrack.com/article.php?UID=Eg1SVUKJhLojiubhtEI38TytE4K8K3&sc=1074&aid=12462
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...or even Pork Pie trying to blow his brains out with a deadly finger as in the attached photo.
RtR
just bringing the ear plugs in the right postion......or may be this which is between :-D
Ahhh....attitude adjustment. I understand now. You couldn't possibly be looking at the young lady in the photo, could you? :)
RtR
I think you cut the one away....to which I start to correct my focus......with a so friend you need no enemies.... :-D
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There's a new article on MotorcycleUSA.com, courtesy of Brandware PR, at
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=7144
More on the Ack Attack 360 MPH Record
Charles Hennekam, the official on-site FIM observer, said: "We are thrilled about this incredible new world record, set just two years after the current milestone was set - that's an historic achievement indeed. On behalf of FIM, I congratulate Mike, Rocky and the team on success, along with all the other world record breaking teams this week. Land speed racing requires enormous resources and technical sophistication, passion and above all perseverance. Given the dedication of land speed racing professionals, we expect to see even more competitors return to Bonneville in 2009 to challenge ACK Attack's title."
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Update on Leo Hess. I called in a favor and got some info on his medical condition. I'm going to state it in rather generalized terms for some reasons that otta be obvious.
Leo experienced some fairly serious injuries to his lower extremities (legs and feet) and has had some surgical procedures done. He will need more in the future. His condition is listed as stable, but that's a very broad area. He IS at the hospital I listed earlier (Intermountain Medical Center...which is run by the company I used to work for...and that's how I called in the favor.)
Bottom line: he's not going to be walking for a while, and it's probably gonna involve a lot more pain for him. My heart and prayers go outto him and his family.
I hope this helps clarify things a bit...I believe others' prayers would help him and his family to cope with this.
I still haven't heard what caused the crash. If anyone can clarify that (on the forum, PM or email) I'd be grateful to hear it. Not from a morbid standpoint but as something to consider with regard to rider/driver safety.
Ray (feeling a little somber about this.)
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Thanks to everyone for all the support and kind words regarding Leo's condition. For daily updates on Leo's condition please visit
www.fullblastengineering.com
Thank you
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Thank you for the update info on Leo's condition. I'll be following it closely with good thoughts and prayers for his speedy and full recovery.
RtR
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Thanks for the update. Please everyone send a note as this has a big effect on the healing process. He knows we all support him but your words are important. It helps ease the pain to know we all care.God Speed for a full and fast recovery Leo. :-)
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Glen, you are absolutely right. The blizzard of cards he will get now are going to be lost in a haze of pain medication. Don't forget to write in a few weeks too. And in a few months. Having something to read at least gives you a moment from the pain and boredom.
Best of luck on the recovery Leo.
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Congrats ROCKY and the whole ACK team. This is Rocky during the BUB trials.
Scooter
www.scootershoots.com
(http://scootershoots.smugmug.com/photos/377287039_3Aq3U-L.jpg)
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Absolutely excellent photo, Scooter. I love it.
RtR
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Thanks Ray. That was his 285 pass on Sat at the BUB trial. I sure would like to have been there for the big one.
Scooter
www.scootershoots.com
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They must of put fresh paint on the Ack.
THat is one more yellow stripe then they had for the top speed event.
-JH
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Are ya sure, man? This is one I shot at the Shootout:
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(http://www.rocky-robinson.com/pages/images/43_jpg.jpg)
Here are two pictures of Rocky, before and after today's record run
Page 54 of this thread.
Diffrent paint.
hummmmmm
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(http://www.rocky-robinson.com/pages/images/43_jpg.jpg)
Here are two pictures of Rocky, before and after today's record run
Page 54 of this thread.
Diffrent paint.
hummmmmm
This picture is from a previous year..trust me..
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Also the tail section is different for this year.
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As anyone seen this yet???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS6cRLIKymI
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the #411 sounded great.
franey
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At SW '06 I was between the 4 & 5 mi when the 411 made a 400+ run, it was the most impressive thing I have ever experienced. I say experienced because that's what it was, an experience. The sight, sound, and feel of it was incredible. Fred
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Okay! We're darned near 1,000 comments and over 23,000 page views on this topic. Way to go -- we're now called a "heavy hitter" by our website hosting company. Thanks to one and all for your interest.
Bad News! Now that we're called a "heavy hitter" by our website hosting company -- our bill for the hosting has been bumped to accommodate the extra traffic and server space and so on. Until last month the bill was $40/month. As of today, when I paid the September bill, it's $100/month. Ah, the hassles of having a successful site. And you folks are responsbile for this fine turn of events.
Please don't see what I've said as whining -- I'm tickled pink that there was so much traffic during the Top Speed Shootout and that so many of you sent donations and ordered t-shirts and bumper stickers*. I guess what I'll need to ask you all to do now -- is keep it up. Justify us having a bigger set of equipment and internet wires - by keeping as active as you can be. Yeah, maybe the problem was exacerbated by all of the photos that I (and others, like you, Ray) posted -- maybe if I had the gallery up and running lots of the stuff would have gone there and we wouldn't be in the position we're in. But that's water under the table (or however that phrase goes), so let's just keep going with lots of talk, lots of photos, and lots of donations to keep it all running smoothly.
*About those donations -- I've gotta ask again. If you pre-ordered shirts -- we've got 'em set aside but don't have the mailing addresses for them. I posted a list of those that were unaccounted for (yesterday) -- and if your name is on it, send me a note (jonwennerberg@nancyandjon.org) so I can ship them. If you sent money by Paypal and are expecting a shirt and/or stickers -- and haven't got them yet -- well, hey -- our excuse today is that with all of the traveling and our somewhat-lame bookkeeping/note-taking -- we're confused as to whom gets what and who already has got his swag. Bear with us, send me a note about what you are expecting, and we'll straighten it out.
We're leaving here tomorrow at noon to fly to SLC for WF, and will have the laptop with us to stay in touch. We'll try to keep better notes as to who and what is/was ordered, too, I promise (so does Nancy, cross her heart with tattoos and hope to get it right). And we're going to take a few landracing.com shirts with us to WF so we can a: deliver the shirt to Stainless, and b: sell a few, too. Since we're flying we won't have a huge inventory -- but we'll try, and hope you'll make our return to Marquette easier by buying everything we've got with us out there.
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Someone should suggest to Tom that he drives that thing slower so it would be easier to watch it go by in the video.
:-D
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JH, I tell you what: You tell Tom that he should go slower, I'll run the video camera to record his reaction to your suggestion. That oughta make a good YouTube video in itself.
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So many family and friends have asked about the meet where we got the record. I've copied and pasted this thread till its probably worn out. At one point we lost the front engine (broken mainshaft) and I coasted to a stop. Howard Carte (from the Bub team) called me when I returned to the pit and asked what went wrong. "Where are you at?" I asked him. I thought he was on the salt watching from maybe the measured mile.
"I just read it on the internet,"
We hadn't even unloaded the bike off the trailer in the pits when he read it and was on the phone to me. At that point we had no idea what the problem was. I asked Howard since they got their information so fast, as soon as they diagnosed the problem maybe they could call us and tell us what was wrong... Great job Jon and Rat :cheers:
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I heard through the grapevine that Lynn Goodfellow is getting out of the SLC hospital on Monday.
Still looking at more hospital visits and a long recovery. I heard he is still planning on getting back in the car.
Good luck to him.
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Oh, man! This is good news. While I realize that Lynn still has a lot in front of him, I'm glad to hear that he's recovered enough to leave the hospital for the moment. Getting back in that race car will probably do him more good than anything else. I hope to see him and the team next August.
I've been going over the photos I shot before, during and after the run that ended up in flames and I'll be posting them to my web server soon. What I've found has left me with more questions than answers as to the root cause of the fire and Lynn's burns. I know the basics of what happened, but there are more and deeper questions that trouble me. I'll probably post more on this as I progress with the website work...which, btw, I'm trying to develop as a photo/text journal that conveys what I saw through the lens(es) of my camera and experienced by being there. I hope I can pull it off and create something that communicates these things effectively.
RtR
ps. If anyone has any further knowledge about the investigation of the fire and any findings, would you please contact me? If there are things that aren't ready to be disclosed at this time, I'll respect that fully, but I'd still like to know about some of the circumstances and conclusions. I have my own theories, but I don't want to make any rash statements at this time.
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Many of the photos I shot at the Shootout (good a place as any to shoot, I spose) are now on my server. It's a work in progress. I get a little more done every day (and sometimes every hour.)
I've only added a little bit of narration to the photos. This is a real time consuming process...and I have to think while writing and like one of the 3 Stooges said, "I tried thinking once and nothing happened." I'm having some serious brain cramps. I spose I otta exercise it more often.
Anyway, here's the entry point:
http://chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/shootout/Welcome.html (http://chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/shootout/Welcome.html)
Some things I'd appreciate feedback on:
Any problems (other than those on ComCast or Cox who can't get to my server) such as dead links, photos in the wrong place, errors in the text, etc.
Information: Names of people in the photos. I'll need this to create an accurate photo/text journal. With my memory issues, I need all the help I can get. But just to clarify a bit, I know some of the "major players" (Tom Burkland as well as Betty and Gene, Mike Akatiff, Rocky Robinson, Ron Main and George Poteet and a coupla others like Mike Cook and Jon Wenner-Slim.) One thing I DON'T know are the names of the FIM Rep and the SCTA inspectors and I have no idea who was representing the FIA.
Any other info that ya think might be useful. There are a coupla areas I'm unsure about heading into. For example, I have my theory on the fire in the Mormon Missile and the burns that Lynn Goodfellow suffered. But I'm not quite sure how much of this I should be posting in a public forum. If anyone has input on this, I'd appreciate hearing/reading it. My email address is on my profile, so anyone can email me directly or send me a PM. Whatever works.
Another thing I'm sorta foggy about is Leo Hess's crash. Again, I have a theory, but I won't write anything about it until I have a bit more information.
So I'd be grateful for any feedback I can get on this, since my plan is to add quite a bit of narration to the photos.
Thanks, in advance,
RtR
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Does anyone know of any video from this meet that is available? It looked like from several photos that there were video cameras shooting some of the goings ons at the meet and I'd love to see the footage!!!
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I watched video of the Speed Demon at the Sidewinders meeting the other night. I don't know what the plan is for distribution. It was a short clip from 70 hours of video. And oh yes, was it cool. The speed shots were great.
FYI, $10,000 of parts were Fedexed to the salt to fix the fire damage.
We have no problem discussing the Speed Demon fire because nobody got hurt. George Poteet didn't know he was on fire. The EGT sensor blew out from the extreme heat in the headers from the high boost. George noticed the loss of power and heard a poof. That was the automatic fire system going off. It has 15 seconds of discharge. Since George didn't know it was on fire and only down on power a little, he kept going and the fire took off when the fire system was empty.
As far as discussing the other accidents, I guess we have a reluctance to intrude on the privacy of the participants. I think that discussing things is how we find solutions. It's possible that your vehicle might have the same problem.
I heard third hand, but from a reliable source, that Leo's injuries were because his legs got outside the frame. I know that several streamliners have leg restraints as well as some form of netting to keep the legs inside. Leg restraints seem to be the safe bet.
I would like to hear from the streamliner drivers and builders on their thoughts.
The cause of Lynn Goodfellows injuries have been discussed. The coolant was indeed the source of the fire. The reaction was swift and water only is now the rule with Water Wetter or something like it.
Sealing issues between the firewall and the drivers compartment and canopy sealing issues allowed the fire to penetrate the drivers compartment.
When you consider the long amount of time it takes to stop from high speed and the additional time it takes for the fire crew to get there, you may want to look long and hard at every possible way for fire to get in the drivers compartment on your vehicle.
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Dean,
From the SCTA-BNI.ORG website "Urgent rule change: Effective immediately, the use of any flammable engine coolant in competition Cars or Motorcycles is prohibited".
Most likely that means for sure no Propylene Glycol. I don't believe it means water only. But I don't know. Most (I believe) antifreeze is Ethylene Glycol. Is that flammable also? Are you sure of your answer?
Two months ago if I had asked if Propylene Glycol was flammable all would have said "No way". So, I ask the question now of Ethylene Glycol. Is it flammable, i.e., will it be allowed at SCTA/BNI events?
Jim
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Ethylene Glycol is combustible too. Water or Water+WaterWetter is the word.
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I have used Soluable Oil in the past. Lubes the water pump and keeps the water jacket nice and new looking. If it spills I know the cats won't kill themselves drinking it. We use it at work and it never catches fire. Lot of sparks around the grinders. But the oil by itself will burn. Is it legal? Anybody here know?
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I have used Soluable Oil in the past. Lubes the water pump and keeps the water jacket nice and new looking. If it spills I know the cats won't kill themselves drinking it. We use it at work and it never catches fire. Lot of sparks around the grinders. But the oil by itself will burn. Is it legal? Anybody here know?
Rich, until a couple of weeks ago I would have bet antifreeze wouldn't burn when mixed 50/50, I wouldn't count on anything at this point without asking the scta tech line... :|
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I have used Soluable Oil in the past. Lubes the water pump and keeps the water jacket nice and new looking. If it spills I know the cats won't kill themselves drinking it. We use it at work and it never catches fire. Lot of sparks around the grinders. But the oil by itself will burn. Is it legal? Anybody here know?
I was wondering the same thing because we use soluable oil also.
JL222
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I have used Soluable Oil in the past. Lubes the water pump and keeps the water jacket nice and new looking. If it spills I know the cats won't kill themselves drinking it. We use it at work and it never catches fire. Lot of sparks around the grinders. But the oil by itself will burn. Is it legal? Anybody here know?
Urgent rule change: Effective immediately, the use of any flammable engine coolant in competition Cars or Motorcycles is prohibited.
I don't know the definitive answer. An SCTA board member said water + Water Wetter would be the only thing allowed. Soluble oil may not catch fire puddled on the ground with sparks, but in an engine when released at high temperature and high pressure and vaporized is another story.
The form that the chemical takes makes a big difference. Aluminum doesn't burn? Turn it into a powder and it does.
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Regarding the Leo Hess crash. From a very reliable source that was at the meet. The handlebar bracket that folds up so that the rider can exit the liner was the problem. It broke loose in the crash but was still connected to the liner with the cables, it came back into the cockpit and did the damage to Leo's legs.
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Rich,
Flammability is not the only issue. Remember that the BLM allows only water to be dumped on the ground. Soluble oil would be in violation of this.
DW
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So, DW, I'm guessing the coolant procedure would be a little like running Nitro. During the off times you store your car (assuming, of course that you're not pulling the engine) with a 50/50 mixture in it to keep it from rusting. A day or two before any meet you would drain the 50/50 mixture and replace it with straight water, of course reversing the process when you return home from the meet.
Does this sound about right?
BTW, I certainly hope the sale of Budweiser to the Belgians hasn't impacted the "spirit" of your retirement too harshly.
J and the Cat
P.S. BTW#2 I like the way our "stacked" avatars highlight the front and back of the Bomber/Bearcat
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Be aware that using distilled water without Redline Water Wetter, or with other brand water additives, can cause problems with aluminum radiators, heat exchangers and blocks.
I had a severe build up of pressure, as have others, when I just used straight distilled water.
It turns out hte distilled water has no minerals, etc in it and tries to draw it out of the aluminum..Preesure builds up enough to cause even the tightest systems to leak, resulting in blown hoses, etc.
I have no experience with cars, but can state with certainty and first hand experience that in turbo Hayabusas this is a legitimate concern. I only use tap water now with Redline Water Wetter, and with a very expensive engine and turbo system at risk, have not had a problem with corrosion or pressure buildup.
Walt
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When I get back to the shop from a race I clean up the car and drain the water from the engine, water tank and Rad. I can see no good reason to leave the water in it. I have a well on my property that pumps water that is so pure it test like rain water and that is what I use and have never had rust problems.
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I just wanted to be the 1000th post on this thread.
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Thanks, JH. We just got back from supper (Mexican place here in Laurinburg has good food but nowhere near the "atmosphere" of the Salt Flats Cafe) and when I saw that the topic was at 1k posts I smiled. Thanks for helping the topic be so long-lived-- and thanks to all that paid attention to the Top Speedc Shootout reports. We have been having a great time with the subject -- look forward to the next one, too.
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The reason you should use distilled water is because it has no minerals---therefore can't ceramic your heads---I use distilled water with corrosion block...but I put it in advance and give it time to treatment burp it just like a water mattress. It amazes me how much entrapped air there is in the watter..---the less air you have the less chance you have for STEAM POCKETS!!!!!!!! which can not transfer heat resulting in hot spots..
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I have a well on my property that pumps water that is so pure it test like rain water and that is what I use and have never had rust problems.
I would ask you to bottle some of it if I could be sure it wasn't from a big ditch! :-D
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hope that leo and lynn are doing better.
osu colors are scarlet and gray.
i can't say enough good things about delvene and crew -- 9 hrs. on the phone in '06; 5 hrs in up to mid '07; about 5 hrs. w/ cooper in '07 ; 1&1/2 w/ drew gatewood this year. always prompt , always courteous w/ anything i had to ask or say. it's a young event like someone said. hell, i'm still making mistakes & bad decisions & learning to do things the right way in life.
thanks again to all who have helped me and a big thank you to diane for putting up w/ me, the bike and 'in the garage' and for liking us going to the salt!
congrats to the new record holders.
franey
i know this is dated, but, there are others who should have been mentioned
in the thank you list of people who have helped me in one way or another ---
bob bennett , eric bennett, dan dunn , aaron wilson, santa tom anderson, mike taylor, hans luenger.
todd dross, todd brooks, joe timney, scott guthrie.
sorry if anyone was missed this time around.
franey
more current - how are leo and lynn doing now ?