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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Build Diaries => Topic started by: Sumner on July 23, 2008, 12:48:36 PM
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No I didn't finish the car :cry:, but I finished updating the build pictures to the present minus yesterday's work..
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................... exhaust/tail.......................
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/7-15-08-47.jpg)
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/construction%20page-119.html
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.............. more exhaust and center section of the top.........
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/7-15-08-64.jpg)
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/construction%20page-120.html
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.................... finish inlet........
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/7-15-08-75.jpg)
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/construction%20page-121.html
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.................. finish primary side of exhaust system......
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/7-16-08-8.jpg)
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/construction%20page-122.html
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................ finish inlet system from scoop to air box ...................
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/7-17-08-21.jpg)
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/construction%20page-123.html
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............. finished air inlet/exhaust/tail except for paint.
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/7-17-08-23.jpg)
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar-3/7-17-08-24.jpg)
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Now for the body...........
c ya,
Sum
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Where's the PROP go, oops thats another guy, sorry :-D :roll:
Keep it up Sum, lots of work to build from the ground up. See ya soon.
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Starting to look really good Sum. Keep at it.
Pete
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Where's the PROP go, oops thats another guy, sorry :-D :roll:
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/rofl_200.gif) (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/rofl_200.gif) (http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/rofl_200.gif)
Keep it up Sum, lots of work to build from the ground up. See ya soon.
Looks good! Can't wait to see the finished product pics! :-D
Deb
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Sum,
Looking great!! Really looks like you could be rolling on some salt with it next year!!!
See you at the salt!!
Rex
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Sum....put the torch down....put some wheels on it and roll it across some scales...ya got a lot of metal in it, ya may have some problems if it weighs more than 1400lbs...
kr
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Sum, looks great.
I cant see how you will get the motor out.
Posted on: Today at 07:18:27 PMPosted by: 1212FBGS
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Sum....put the torch down....put some wheels on it and roll it across some scales...ya got a lot of metal in it, ya may have some problems if it weighs more than 1400lbs...
kr
Good to see you back KR.
I think the square tube makes it look heavy.....if you squint and see round tubes it doesnt look so heavy.
It all depends on the wall thickness Sum used.....(if its 1/4 wall....it will be heavy!)
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looks like a great foundation for a great car. Thanks for the photos. Quality work.
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Wow! Sumner. :-o
I've been watching from the beginning and every time I go to see what you have done I am more impressed. Your machining and welding skills have become rauther professional. 8-)
I finally figured out what it is! A device that changes regular air going into the small hole into hot unbreathable air at the other end of the 12 foot tube where there is a slightly larger hole. :-D
Geo
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Sum, looks great.
I cant see how you will get the motor out.
Posted on: Today at 07:18:27 PMPosted by: 1212FBGS
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Sum....put the torch down....put some wheels on it and roll it across some scales...ya got a lot of metal in it, ya may have some problems if it weighs more than 1400lbs...
kr
Good to see you back KR.
I think the square tube makes it look heavy.....if you squint and see round tubes it doesn't look so heavy.
It all depends on the wall thickness Sum used.....(if its 1/4 wall....it will be heavy!)
Thanks and the motor comes out, I think :-). Yes the square tube looks heavy. It is .120 wall (not .250) and all the little non-structural stuff is thin wall tubing. The car from the bottom (not the ground as it has a round bottom and I wanted it off the ground 6 inches) to the top of the cage is 30 inches and it is 22 inches wide. The pods are 6 inches high and 12 inches wide so the frontal area minus the wheels/tires is under 6 square feet total. It looks bigger than it is as I shoot all the pictures at as wide angel as my camera will go. For instance the new intake/exhaust/tail on the top is only 8 inches high and 12 feet long. To me in the pictures it looks like more. Yes the car is long, about 24 feet, but there really isn't much in the last 8 feet. I'm following Pork Pie's advice that it is as important how you go out of the air as how you went into it.
I don't want to weigh it yet as it will weigh what it weighs and I'm starting on the body and I use the sides of the build table and a big upright to see where all the body attach points are to keep the car identical side to side. If I go moving it around I'll have a hard time reestablishing that relationship.
Kent I know of at least one motorcycle powered lakester that holds lots of records that is over 1400 lbs. Mind telling me how much your streamliner weighs? I know I'm heavy for this motor, but if it doesn't run this fall chances are it might never go down the salt with this motor. I think a blown 'busa will move it especially after a good push start.
If it doesn't run or never sets a record it has still been a hell of a ride getting this far and if it weighs too much I'll just get the plasma cutter out and start making holes and send them to you Kent :wink:.
Thanks for taking a look at it guys and you too Deb,
Sum
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Sum, it looks like you've been hitting it hard on your project. You certainly aren't afraid to try new ideas, are you?
I had a target weight of 2000# pounds when I started and I am there now with a gallon of gas and me in the cockpit. Probably not over 2150# when it hits the salt. Bet yours is not much under that!
I think yours will be a beautiful and original looking car. Now if we can get these lakesters done and and going down the salt we'll find out what we've made. I'll bet we have fun! :-D
See you SW
Harv
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Poor man's scale: (Well, not that cheap, but still easy to use) -- we've got a pallet jack with a built-in digital scale. Put a stack of pallets under the car, jack it up, read the weight. Ditto anybody's vehicle -- easier than weighing each wheel. There's the inherent not-so-good part of it, though, in that if you want to determine the weight at each wheel (for balance or whatever) you'll still need to do it one at a time. But for a quick idea of weight -- go to your local hardward shop that's got such a pallet jack and borrow it for a few minutes.
Yes, Sum, I know you don't care at this point. I just wanted to show off some of my vast reservoir of knowledge of things unrelated to anything.
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Looks good Sum....would have been a lot better and cheaper if you used COMPOSITES, Ha.
Can't wait to see it on the salt.
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Remarkable achievement Sum. When you are on the starting line waiting for the go signal you will truly understand what you have accomplished. Not many build the ENTIRE vehicle by themselves. Not like living in L.A. where a quick car ride will access any part or service. You must have racked up many $$ in rural delivery surcharges. :-D As has been said, the journey is often as important as the destination. Your build has reached the Great Salt Lake, the Flats are not far beyond. Well done. Larry
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2230.... gsxr, busa, it dont matter.... the chain aint gonna like anything over 1600 lbs.... no really Sum... your frame is fixtured straight... Its time to get it off the platform so you can get it out in the sunlight and look under it... you need to find all those missing welds before they get burried under other stuff and you cant get to them to weld um....really sum, off the stand and on it wheels...love ya
kr
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Remarkable achievement Sum. When you are on the starting line waiting for the go signal you will truly understand what you have accomplished. Not many build the ENTIRE vehicle by themselves. Not like living in L.A. where a quick car ride will access any part or service. You must have racked up many $$ in rural delivery surcharges. :-D As has been said, the journey is often as important as the destination. Your build has reached the Great Salt Lake, the Flats are not far beyond. Well done. Larry
Thanks Larry and the rural delivery charges hasn't been too much as so far it is mostly steel that I get a mile down the road from the house. I checked all over the region thinking that the local guy in Blanding probably isn't the cheapest, but he is 10%-20% less expensive than any place withing 150 miles. I did get this 'busa case from some Larry F. guy in Penn. that builds really fast bikes postage free :-D. I still haven't got to see him personally to thank him. Do you know if he is going to be at Speed Week or BUB?
2230.... gsxr, busa, it dont matter.... the chain aint gonna like anything over 1600 lbs.... no really Sum... your frame is fixtured straight... Its time to get it off the platform so you can get it out in the sunlight and look under it... you need to find all those missing welds before they get burried under other stuff and you cant get to them to weld um....really sum, off the stand and on it wheels...love ya
kr
Good now I have a weight to keep it under, I'll be 2229 or less since I know that works even if it is hard on chains :evil:. You did get my attention on chains before and there will be a chain cooler on it and I think I remember how yours works. I did set it up to run 'busa sprockets once I found out that they would fit the 750 counter shaft so I will have the heavier chain. I've also worried about the transmission with the weight since I know Rick blew up some of those, but I think you can get better aftermarket gears now. I'll have to sneak over at SW and take some spy pictures of your chain cooler if I can ever find it with the body off. I'd prefer to take the pictures with it right side up, so how about keeping it on all 4's this meet.
Kent at work:
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/temp-pictures/kent-elm-1.jpg)
Kent it is going to be fun talking to you in a couple weeks, buy you dinner at the Mexican restaurant or I guess at the Casino,
Sum
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Sum, I see Larry F. is off line so I will answer about him comeing to SW or BUB. He gave the team the choice of one Bonneville meet or five Maxton meets, due to the high cost of travel read FUEL, they couldnt do both. They chose Maxton. I was looking forward to meeting Larry, he has helped me a lot with my busa project. His team will be missed.
Fred
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Just so you guys know I deleted that whole string of posts that I didn't think had much to do with my car build. PM me if that is/was a problem.
Thanks,
Sum
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This whole "moderator" and deletion stuff has gotten out of hand..................................................
All you get from me in the future is info. on the BUB and sidecar stuff...............................................
And Sum don't you dare delete this post!!!!!!!!!!
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This whole "moderator" and deletion stuff has gotten out of hand..................................................
All you get from me in the future is info. on the BUB and sidecar stuff...............................................
And Sum don't you dare delete this post!!!!!!!!!!
Well if you would have seen them you would have deleted them. It was just a pi**ing contest between two people that had nothing to do with this thread. I post to "them" that I deleted their posts so that they would know who did it. I got a response from one of them saying it was fine and no response from the other.
If you see a problem with that please PM me,
Sum
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2230.... gsxr, busa, it dont matter.... the chain aint gonna like anything over 1600 lbs.... no really
In my line of work I use double row sprockets on industrial drives. I have wondered why no one has made a 2X row hayabusa counter sprocket and 2 drive sprockets with a spacer and run 2 #50's (530) tandem.
Maybe a custom machined output shaft with an end support?
I cant see why you couldnt get a chain drive stronger than any part of the output or transmission this way.
The heat a single chain would develop would be dropped by dividing the frictional loads between two or more chains.
This is how I want to do my future project......anyone say this is a BAD idea?
(http://images.grainger.com/images/products/6L347.JPG)
Something like this but made for application.
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2230.... gsxr, busa, it dont matter.... the chain aint gonna like anything over 1600 lbs.... no really
In my line of work I use double row sprockets on industrial drives. I have wondered why no one has made a 2X row hayabusa counter sprocket and 2 drive sprockets with a spacer and run 2 #50's (530) tandem.
Maybe a custom machined output shaft with an end support?
I cant see why you couldnt get a chain drive stronger than any part of the output or transmission this way.
The heat a single chain would develop would be dropped by dividing the frictional loads between two or more chains.
This is how I want to do my future project......anyone say this is a BAD idea?
(http://images.grainger.com/images/products/6L347.JPG)
Something like this but made for application.
I've wondered the same think, but I think an outboard bearing like you mentioned would be a good deal. Maybe we can work on it over the winter,
Sum
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I don't have pics handy, and maybe I don't know what the heck I'm talking about, but...
A few years ago we were at an AHDRA event and saw one of these mondo drag bikes with an enormous dual chain set up. I know we took pictures cause it was pretty wild! But, they weren't the only ones running that kind of setup. I have no idea on the ramifications or what is needed to support this but when I saw the chain thing mentioned that came to mind. I know they're not pulling the same speeds but there IS at least something out there being used that could be looked at for baseline research.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p224/DahMurf/Smileys/idunno.gif)
Let me know if you want to see the pics & I'll try to dig them up.
Deb
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I don't have pics handy,.....................
Let me know if you want to see the pics & I'll try to dig them up.
Deb
Of course we want to see the pictures, when you have time, as I don't think either one of is is doing this tomorrow. There problems probably revolve mostly around HP where that can be a problem with us our main problem, at least I think, is vehicle weight and extreme chain speeds. Two chains won't help with the latter, but maybe the former.
It would be great to hear from some of the racers now that are running fast with high HP, weight, and high chain speed.
c ya,
Sum
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yep...you go right ahead and use those industrial double row chains.... and those big ass double row drag chains work perfect for a 6 second drag bike.... thats the beauty of our sport...you can do whatever you think will work...dumb or not...
kent
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yep...you go right ahead and use those industrial double row chains.... and those big ass double row drag chains work perfect for a 6 second drag bike.... thats the beauty of our sport...you can do whatever you think will work...dumb or not...
kent
Kent I don't think we are talking about using an industrial chain, but double sprockets with the chains that have been used before on the salt.
I take it from your post that you have tried it and it didn't work?
c ya,
Sum
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why go to the trouble, worrie, and headache if ya dont have too?...Sum you need to get real serious about your weight...its kinda like romero saying "ill just buy a bigger pair of pants cuz im too fat for my old ones" two chains cuz you didnt pay attention to target weight is like being too fat to push yourself away from the dinner table....ok, ok for all of you punk keyboard experts who are just dying to chime in "weight isnt a factor for us LSR guys" well it is if your using a devise designed for a 100hp 650lb vehicle....how much did you say it weighd right now sum? lets find out
kent
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....................how much did you say it weighd right now sum? lets find out
kent
I have no idea other than guessing, but I know I started with about a 500 lb. pile of steel and it is gone. As I've also stated this car was not designed for the motor that is in it now. If it weighs too much I guess that will be my problem. Also if I was still a moderator I would have edited your post as the reference to another board member is uncalled for an not necessary to make your point.
c ya,
Sum
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Sum I remember when I was first getting interested in this stuff I was talking to Ken Walkley. I seem to remember him telling me about his streamliner having some sort of chain drive system that he did have problems with, but he did get it to work. I don't remember any details but he may be able to share his experience with you. Hope this helps, Vince
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this motor, that motor, doesnt matter.... ya still planning ,on using a pin and plate drive chain? and as far as the romeo thing... the keyboard nazi's will catch it... ya know ya got to keep this forum clean, sterial, and boring just in case my dead grandma stumbles onto it...
kent
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its kinda like romero saying "ill just buy a bigger pair of pants cuz im too fat for my old ones"
kent
Is this the same Kent Riches who posted this back on April 19, 2005?
" I usually don?t visit boards ?cuz people are usually just slamming someone or something. I visit this site ?cuz people ask for help and other knowledgeable people respond with the proper info or a direction for them."
Tom G.
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I'm sorry to have to report that I've banned Kent Riches from the forum for a while. As much as I appreciate the knowledge of racing that he has -- I can't accept his manner of treating other members of the forum. If this makes me "keyboard Nazi" (I think that was the phrase) -- so be it. Let's get back to racing.
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Thats a relief because I honestly couldn't hold my tongue any longer. I was about to call DelSolid out of retirement :-D
With that said, lets get back to positive, useful posts.
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A few good points have been made about the dual chain but I personally feel it doesn't hurt to see what's out there running to see if you can do anything with it even if it's just to determine it won't work and it won't hold up to the speed and duration of a Bonneville run. I'll contribute the info I have as soon as I can find it. Hopefully we'll have a little fact driven dialog on this point in the future. Regardless of the outcome, we can all learn a little something new.
I've never been real big on the whole "it won't work, why, because I said so" way of thinking. I need more answers or I just keep asking questions! Most of the time by the time I determine something won't work it's already opened the door to what will work! ;)
Deb
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Kent yes you do there is little need for caustic and foul mouthed and yes this will endure long after you are gone. Would you like the representation of our sport to be your foul mouth I trust not is it me and stopping everything you say fine but lets be smarter than that and grow up a bit out of the gutter deal?? or no deal?? you know the options..
Dave