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Tech Information => Technical Discussion => Topic started by: Ratliff on June 07, 2008, 09:44:44 AM
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Stormy Mangham's Big John
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FFRANKLIN- Thanks for finally expressing an OPINION - specifically that "Ol Stormy" was ahead of his time and must have been a soothsayer of Landspeed MC record shapes (maybe he had a Ouija (sp) board).
COME ON!- all of 'em look like goldfish without the side fins- be real!
Better believe that the Honda Hawk, for its time, had a LOT of engineering in it. I'll betcha "Ol Sormy" was just guessing!
I'll gurantee you that the one I was in volved in back in '72 was a LOT of guesswork!.
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FFRANKLIN- Thanks for finally expressing an OPINION - specifically that "Ol Stormy" was ahead of his time and must have been a soothsayer of Landspeed MC record shapes (maybe he had a Ouija (sp) board).
COME ON!- all of 'em look like goldfish without the side fins- be real!
Better believe that the Honda Hawk, for its time, had a LOT of engineering in it. I'll betcha "Ol Sormy" was just guessing!
I'll gurantee you that the one I was in volved in back in '72 was a LOT of guesswork!.
"Big John" provided the rider good visibility, deficiencies in both the Harley liner in which Cal Rayborn set the 265 mph official record and in the Honda Hawk. "Big John" also used an extended flattened tailcone, much like Ack Attack's, in place of the high tail fin on the Honda Hawk. Over forty years later, the silhouette of "Big John" is still very contemporary when compared to current bike liners such as Ack Attack.
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FFRANKLIN- Thanks for finally expressing an OPINION - specifically that "Ol Stormy" was ahead of his time and must have been a soothsayer of Landspeed MC record shapes (maybe he had a Ouija (sp) board).
COME ON!- all of 'em look like goldfish without the side fins- be real!
Better believe that the Honda Hawk, for its time, had a LOT of engineering in it. I'll betcha "Ol Sormy" was just guessing!
I'll gurantee you that the one I was in volved in back in '72 was a LOT of guesswork!.
Mangham created the modern motorcycle streamliner.
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Jack Costello has created the modern motorcycle streamliner
#5050 or #7070, take your choice.
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Jack Costello has created the modern motorcycle streamliner
#5050 or #7070, take your choice.
Good point.
It would have been more accurate for me to say "...what WAS for many years the modern motorcycle streamliner."
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Where's Jack? Anyone have a picture of Jack Costello's super low yellow streamliner?
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It is one thing to put lots of motor (boost or spray) into car or bike and make it go fast....lets face it....there are even some fast roadsters out there (not really known for aeros).
For whatever its worth I would like to see a design competition that all competitors had to use the identical power plants and fuel (zero ability to mod the motor).
The fastest would be the best design...not who could spend the most on pumping HP.
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See any IRL race.
DW
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For whatever its worth I would like to see a design competition that all competitors had to use the identical power plants and fuel (zero ability to mod the motor).
The fastest would be the best design...not who could spend the most on pumping HP.
A spec motor class for LSR - that's a great concept - kind of like IROC, Formula V or Formula Ford, but with restrictions taken off of the chassis.
For those who have said there are fewer young people involved and believe that cost is the prohibiter, this could be a solution.
The problem I see is motor sourcing and verification. But let's expand on that idea a bit, and try to make such a class as fair as possible.
Start with a cheap, easy to build engine that can be mass produced by a reputable shop - they would be the source of all engines in the class and would have to be built and verified as identical, then sealed. All racers in this class would have to buy from this supplier and no modifications would be allowed.
The builder has a free hand in the design, and builds the car however he/she sees fit following safety parameters in keeping with the existing rules.
If it got too popular, I could see where a separate weekend event away from the scheduled ones might be possible - or rotate the events between Texas, Maxton, Elmo and Bonneville - a championship series?
Make 'em small enough, and perhaps some other old airstrips might be able to be included throughout the country. Bring LSR to the heartland?
A sponsor - the Flying Kia Kilometer series?
Hmmm . . . a little off topic, but does anyone else think it could work?
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I'm not sure LSR is for you guys................. :cry:
Innovation, in all aspects of the sport. It's man against machine & the clock.
Money does not guarantee a record by anymeans.
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Huh?
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Our amplification is differsication.
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Stan, Did Jack send you that quote?
FREUD
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..................For those who have said there are fewer young people involved and believe that cost is the prohibiter, this could be a solution.............
I really doubt it would be a cost saver for a builder. It sounds like it, but I'll bet I can build/buy a motor cheaper now by picking the appropriate class than I could a spec motor and then what you would get is someone would still have mega bucks to put into the rest of the car for that little bitty edge that might get them the record and you would still only have one record holder in the class.
You can build a bike cheap now and compete, maybe not get a record, but get out there and then start building on that. You can also build a car cheap, but the safety equipment since you need more is where the real cost can come in and you would still need the expense of that same safety equipment with a spec car.
Actually lsr is probably one of the cheaper motor-sports that someone can jump into.
c ya,
Sum
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Sum, I need to find the Cheap way you suggest !! I just finished my car, it was "from scratch" starting with not one single existing part. (you saw some of the build progess and a few of the recent finished pics) Still a work in progress but for sure not cheap (unless we have differant definitions of cheap).. Now if someone has a platform to build from, I would agree..
Just my opinion...
But I am hooked on this LSR stuff and I am in the early stages of the next car...man this is fun...
Charles
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I have not kept track of what I have spent this year,on purpose. But i bought a bike, built a slightly modified motor for production class, motor was seriously blown up when I got the bike. Bought a trailer and all the stuff a first timer has to get and I think I have spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 12,000 bucks. lots of the expenses are one time only. Thats not bad. For next year all I have to do is build a 220 hp motor. :-D
Fred
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Actually lsr is probably one of the cheaper motor-sports that someone can jump into.
I agree. And I've been mulling over my last post for a few days. I suspect that if a spec class with sponsorship could be put together, given as thin as most LSR sanctioning organizations (volunteers) are spread, nobody would be interested in putting the extra push behind it, and I wouldn't blame them.
It would require a completely separate sanctioning body that was willing to work around everyone else's scheduling, a sponsor with something to gain from a questionable promotional effort, and a commitment from that sponsor that wouldn't leave potential competitors caught up short with a half-completed car and a cancelled event.
Yep - that potato ain't done yet . . .