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Tech Information => Technical Discussion => Topic started by: Ratliff on May 31, 2008, 04:58:27 PM

Title: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Ratliff on May 31, 2008, 04:58:27 PM

Although it uses a carbon fiber composite rather than aluminum monocoque, Dennis Manning's Bub liner is otherwise similar in major aspects to the Honda Hawk.
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Ratliff on May 31, 2008, 05:02:41 PM

Driver's compartment of the Hawk was a double walled monocoque, creating a very strong and survivable structure.
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Ratliff on June 01, 2008, 02:50:48 PM

Ghost view of the Honda Hawk.
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Sumner on June 01, 2008, 05:33:10 PM
When was that on the salt and what were the results??

Thanks,

Sum
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Ratliff on June 01, 2008, 05:38:38 PM
When was that on the salt and what were the results??

Thanks,

Sum

1972.

Didn't get the record, but did make a one-way pass of 286 mph.
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Graham in Aus on June 01, 2008, 07:37:02 PM
Looks like severley limited forward vision? :roll:

I see it gained side windows  :-D
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: interested bystander on June 01, 2008, 08:29:06 PM
The rider was a magazine guy, if I recall correctly, Jon McKibbon for sure his name. It was well engineered, although heavy- Honda backed it. It had all the right things going for it.

 Goes to show you how fickle record chasing on the salt can be.
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: ddahlgren on June 01, 2008, 08:30:25 PM
Sam Wheeler's ride is still the fastest at least one way for lack of a tire only... Ack is way far from done as well with a tube frame and alloy skin.. and quite well designed as survivable at 300 +...
Dave
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Ratliff on June 01, 2008, 09:13:39 PM
Looks like severley limited forward vision? :roll:

I see it gained side windows  :-D

Good observation. Eventually, they had to saw out a section of the canopy and glue in a flat piece of plexiglass so that the rider had undistorted forward vision.
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Ratliff on June 04, 2008, 10:06:45 AM

In the photo below, between Sammy Miller's rocket Funny Car and rocket dragster, you can see the partially complete chassis for a Dick Keller designed monocoque rocket land speed car.

This is a good example of how a conventional rollcage can be integrated into a monocoque.
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Rex Schimmer on June 04, 2008, 12:23:27 PM
Frank,
Neat picture of Miller's rocket car build, look like some high dollar CNCed bulk heads. What ever happen to this car?

Rex
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Ratliff on June 04, 2008, 12:50:23 PM
Frank,
Neat picture of Miller's rocket car build, look like some high dollar CNCed bulk heads. What ever happen to this car?

Rex

Unfortunately, Keller got tired of dealing with Miller and dropped out of the project. Without Keller to engineer the car, it never got finished. However, here's a rendering and specs for what would have been the finished car. Keller originally designed the car for Tony Fox. Projected dry weight was only 1,800 lbs.
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Ratliff on June 04, 2008, 04:47:39 PM
Here are links to photos of the second Pollution Packer, a monocoque rocket dragster designed by Dick Keller that broke standing start records at Bonneville.

http://www.the-rocketman.com/RPV/dragsters/POLLUTION-PACKER-RUN.jpg

http://www.the-rocketman.com/RPV/dragsters/VERN-BOONIVILLE-3.jpg

http://www.the-rocketman.com/RPV/dragsters/POLLUTION-PACKER-BOSS.jpg

http://www.the-rocketman.com/RPV/dragsters/DSC03538.jpg

http://www.the-rocketman.com/RPV/dragsters/DSC03537.jpg



Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Ratliff on June 12, 2008, 08:10:39 PM
More of the Honda Hawk.
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Stan Back on June 12, 2008, 10:03:26 PM
Whaja do on Tuesday?
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: bak189 on June 12, 2008, 10:19:54 PM
Not only did the Honda Hawk run on the salt...............it also learned to fly......................
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Freud on June 12, 2008, 11:08:37 PM
But it's wings weren't adequate to sustain flight.

FREUD
Title: Re: Bonneville Monocoques
Post by: Ratliff on June 13, 2008, 05:09:12 PM
But it's wings weren't adequate to sustain flight.

FREUD

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4035.0.html

"Big John" was ten years earlier than the Hawk but much better represented the future.