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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA Rules Questions => Topic started by: KAKRI on March 05, 2008, 10:47:28 PM

Title: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: KAKRI on March 05, 2008, 10:47:28 PM
Hi.

Planning to attend the upcoming event for the first time and have 2 questions.

Drag Radials? Are there restrictions against drag radials? I'm running 255/50R16...pretty tall and quite soft sidewall...should I invest in different tires and do I have to? If I install the roll bar then I'm sure I could probably hit at least 150 in a mile.

Cage. Oh how I hate the idea of adding the weight to the car, but I realize that safety first. I'd like to go faster than 135 (cageless), how "small" and "light" can a cage be to qualify for runs past 135 mph? I'll be running a 2800 lbs 93 RX7.

Thanks!
Roman
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: KAKRI on March 06, 2008, 11:06:07 AM
I'm guessing these 2 are very old questions that I can find answers to in the rule book or forums..  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: narider on March 06, 2008, 11:14:27 AM
Roman, you'll only want the "small" and "light" rollbar until you need it.
The rule book has decent recipes in it I'm sure, although your palate may need to aquire the taste.
Call one of the first two numbers on this page:
http://www.ecta-lsr.com/?page_id=13
Joe oir Keith will give you the skinny on going skimpy.
Todd
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: Glen on March 06, 2008, 11:18:21 AM
Contact Joe Timney at Delaware Chassis 303-378-3013, he can answer the questions and help with the roll cage., good luck
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: Rick Byrnes on March 06, 2008, 03:14:09 PM
Roman
I ran Maxton some time ago with a turbo Merkur XR4Ti.  For the time being my record of almost 175 MPH stands. (we only rent them)
Michelin/BF Goodrich was a sponsor back then and provided ZR1 tires, which were deemed safe. (shaved).
They WOULD NOT consider my using a radial drag/street drag or any type of Drag tire for standing start 1 mile.  The folks I was talking to at the time were the engineering community that knows the capability of their product.  Admittedly engineers are the most conservative group of people but based on all they said, I would not run drag tires that distance.
I have no idea what ECTA will allow you to do.  That is up to Joe and Keith to decide, but I wouldn't run them.  I think you would be better off with a high speed street tire shaved to min tread.

Rick

Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: sean on March 06, 2008, 08:22:27 PM
Last time I asked, Drag Radials were OK at ECTA. Not drag slicks.  Saw a few running them last April. It is best to call the gentlemen above to verify.
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: KAKRI on March 06, 2008, 09:39:40 PM
Appreciate you guys replying. I will give Joe a call tomorrow about the cage construction.

I saw this little article
"All cars in competition over 135 MPH, must be equipped with a roll bar or roll cage structure. All closed cars between 135 and 150 MPH must have a 4 point roll bar. All closed cars between 150 and 175 MPH must have a 6 - point roll bar. All closed cars over 175 MPH must have a full roll cage. All open cars are advanced one bar / cage category over closed cars. Any individual wishing to enter a vehicle which deviates from these rules MUST contact the ECTA 45 days before the event for approval."

Only problem is the BIGGEST cage I've seen in a 7 so far is a 4 point.

As far as drag radials, I have quickly changed my mind after running them 130mph+ ... DEFINETELY don't like the swaying, will have to get some tires.
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: wolcottjl on March 06, 2008, 11:23:52 PM
Auotpower has kits for your ride in 6 point.  You really need guidance from Joe or a rule book.  You have to have plates with the unibody, most of the kits you can buy do not have plates large enough. 
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: KAKRI on March 07, 2008, 12:57:03 PM
No rotaries here  :-D
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: Jeremy Blaze on March 07, 2008, 02:30:23 PM
No Wanke?  Thats just not right! :-D
I'm guessing you are LSX powered?
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: Top Secret Z on March 07, 2008, 03:48:16 PM
I'll answer for him, yes it is an LS powerplant.
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: Jeremy Blaze on March 07, 2008, 03:52:43 PM
Nice 3rd gen, got a link to your page?
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: KAKRI on March 08, 2008, 02:06:59 PM
^ That's funny because this question would correctly be applied to me or the Camaro :)  I don't have a page, it looks like I won't be making this event, I guess will have to get a cage in  :evil:.
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: MIKE MATY on March 11, 2008, 03:28:22 PM
If you are in wilmington you need to bring it and race anyway. Just mind your speed. you will still have a blast. If you dont race show up anyway. You can learn alot from the other racers and unlike drag racing we are more then willing to share info to help you go faster!!!.

As far as drag radials go I have made 10 150mph passes on the bfg drs, 4 170mph passes on the m/t drs and 1 200mph pass on the m/t dr. I never once had a swaying issue. In fact I highly recomend a DR for any car with over 300rwhp they hook up 100X better then a street tire, especially when you start to hit the max drag coeff. where traction is at a premium for the car to keep accelerating.

mike
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: Stan Back on March 11, 2008, 03:48:39 PM
Mike --

What's a D/FSS

and an A/FRS?

Stan
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: MIKE MATY on March 11, 2008, 04:01:12 PM
D= engine class   F=fuel   SS= super street (maxton only class)

A=engine class  F=fuel    RS=real street (maxton only class.
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: Cajun Kid on March 11, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
K, I agree with Mike, my car will not be ready for the april meet in Maxton. (Crank ain't here yet and the grille and hood will not be here until late next week.  But I am going to Maxton without the car,, The racers are very cool and opne folks. I learned a lot talking to them on my last 2 trips there in 2007.  One of the main reasons I joined the ECTA and decided to build a LSR   was the fun I had and the quality and frinedliness of the racers and staff.

If needed I will even help out as I am sure with any event like this they sure can use some help.

If time permits I may use another car and get my rookie license runs out of the way in TO class...

Even if you do not have  acage yet,,, bring your car and stay under 135,,, It will be fun.

Hope to see your and your fine ride there.

Charles
Title: Re: 2 Questions. Drag Radials and Cage
Post by: Dan Stokes on April 28, 2008, 01:21:22 PM
If you're in Wilmington - well, so am I.  Give me a call and we'll talk.  Maxton is a blast, with or without a car.  It's 2 hours from my place in Ogden, and I stop for the bathrooms (I know where they are now).

Later
Dan