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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: orange-appeal on November 18, 2007, 09:31:36 PM
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Looking to get a rule book and find out how and what I need to do to come and run.
I am a paraplegic trike rider, no Gold Wing here.
I have a 2000 Kawasaki ZRX 1100 trike mainly setup for drag racing. But with a change of tires and sprockets should be able to run for top speed.
How do I get a rule book.
Has anyone run a trike like mine and if so any photos ?
Also I have full race leathers from Kawasaki made by Joe Rocket and has the STD armor in them, I dont know how fast my trike can run but I know it will do 130mph as I've done that, any thing I need to get if it runs over 150mph ?
Thanks and hope to see some of you this next year !!
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The USFRA 130 and 150 club rules are posted on their website.
Bub rules are on their website I think.
SCTA and BNI do not have a 3 wheeler class any more, was opened and then dropped in the 80's. Don't remember their speeds, but I probably have them in my old results sheets.
Come on out and have some fun, I would suggest WOS, 130 club as a starter.
Welcome and see ya on the salt...
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Nice Machine! Looks like a lot of sweat, blood, and tears were involved in that build. Come on out, I know you'll have a great time!
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Yeah but could I get a pass ? Thats a long ways for a poor boy to go watch others run ! I should be able to make a run if they let Bar Stools do it......... LOL
Ok looking over some of the specs.............. I was told it would be listed as a CAR because of the wheel arrangement, now the way I see it, its a motorcycle, I mean really look at it, will I need to prepare under Car or Motorcycle rules ?
I'll set out to prepare it as a motorcycle as most rules also apply to drag racing, but I dont have fenders for the rear tires. Please help me understand what needs to be done, I have until next year to get it ready as over this winter I'll be rebuilding it.
Now for the East Coast Timing Association I was wanting to do that first to get the feel of what my ride will do but from what I'm being told I have no class I can run it in, does that mean I cant run at all ?
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Join USFRA, make sure you meet the safety rules here for 130 or 150 club
http://www.saltflats.com/I30%20Club.html
Ride of bring it to the salt in September and have fun. If you haven't been there before, it is also a great place to see a lot of different vehicles. Remember, safety if the key to be able to run after you travel across country...
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It's definitely not a motorcycle as per the SCTA rules. A motorcycle (with three wheels) has a front and back tire/wheel in the same line...makes two tracks as it goes straight ahead. Yours would make three tracks.
A car has four wheels, with some variations allowed as to how many tracks it would make -- but four wheels.
See above -- go to World of Speed, run the 130 Club. Also ask USFRA folks to inform you of what they'd need to se in the way of safety stuff (cage? firesuit? etc?) so you could run the 150 Club.
Best wishes, and we do hope to see you on the salt.
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Cage............. Fire suit ? I hope not as I'll never get to run as I will never meet the rules then.
I'll see what I can do but its very odd to see a Bar Stool but no trikes. :?
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You're not paying close attention. The bar stools run at the World of Speed (USFRA) meet, just like I'm suggesting you run your trike. The USFRA has also allowed Kerry McLean (I think that's his name) to run his monocycle. If you're got a vehicle that doesn't fall into one of the categories that's already existing -- WoS is your best bet.
As for safety stuff like cage, fire suit, fire protection system and so on -- safety for the driver and the attendant spectators is paramount. The 130 Club restrict speeds to 139.999 maximum and allows making passes down the Salt with less safety garb/safety equipment. No cage, no fire suit, in cars. I don't have the bike rules handy to refer to so I can tell you what is required. If you want to run at higher speeds -- as in the 150 Club -- you'll need to have proper safety equipment. Sure, a motorcycle won't require the same safety stuff as will a car -- but I would caution you about going out there with only a helmet and expecting the organizers to fall all over themselves to let you run just because you want to do so.
I wouldn't be surprised if you could ask the folks at Bub's if you'd be allowed to run at their event, and, if so, what you'd need to bring to the start line with you and your trike.
Best wishes.
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Cage............. Fire suit ? I hope not as I'll never get to run as I will never meet the rules then.
I'll see what I can do but its very odd to see a Bar Stool but no trikes. :?
O-A, did you follow the link to the USFRA 130 and 150 rules? While a lot of the rules cover cars, the rules for bikes are plainly stated.
130 club..
* All drivers must be members of USFRA, be a licensed driver, and sign a loss damage waiver to participate.
* A maximum of five (5) runs will be allowed per entry fee paid.
* The 130-mph format is specifically designed for street cars/ motorcycles. To gain entrance into the 130-mph club, the vehicle must run the measured mile twice in the same day at a speed no less than 130 mph. The two runs are then averaged. Once a driver & car combination has achieved 130 club status no more runs will be allowed
* An initial "licensing" pass at no more than 100 mph will be required to calibrate on board speed gauge equipment. i.e.; tachometer, speedometer, etc.
* Maximum speed will be 140 mph - any vehicle exceeding 140 mph will be disqualified from making anymore passes and will not receive a timing slip.
* The driver must wear a Snell 95 approved, full-face helmet, long sleeve shirt or jacket, and long pants.
* Motorcycle riders must have full leathers, which zip together, including boots and gloves.
* Only gasoline, propane, or natural gas fuels may be used - NO nitrous, alcohol or nitro-fueled vehicles will be allowed.
* Dual throttle return springs are recommended.
* Vehicles must have H, V, or Z rated tires which are rated for speeds in excess of 130 mph.
* Tires & wheels for all vehicles will have metal valve caps (metal valve stems highly recommended) & crack-free valve stems.
* Wheel covers will be positively attached or removed.
* A ground cover must be used under the vehicle in the pit area. Waste fluids will not be "dumped" they will be taken off the salt for disposal. Pit areas and general Salt will be kept neat and clean at all times
* INSPECTION:
* -All vehicles must be currently licensed and street legal in their respective state.
* -Fees will not be charged for an inspection.
* -Inspection will verify the acceptable condition of the engine, drive train, wheels, tires, fuel, steering, braking, and safety systems to an approved checklist.
* -Decisions of the inspector are final in the areas of safety assessment and requirements.
These are the rules that apply to bikes unless you choose to run 150 club, then you must meet the SCTA motorcycle safety rules.
Bikes do not require firesuits, fire systems and cages, they do require leathers... Just keep watching this site and ask questions. Call the USFRA, you will find a link on the home page of this site.
If you are looking for an scta or BNI record, take my earlier suggestion and build a hack, often referred to here as a bike with a wheel on a stick.... The nice thing is you get to choose how you want to race.
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Ok I see, sorry but I didn't understand about all the groups and all. I have full safety gear for me as in a Shoei helmet, full leathers and gear.
My trike will have a full chain guard, steering stops and damper, ign kill "tether and switch on grip", front and rear brakes, manual fuel shut off, and so on.
But it wont be street legal, no body work other than a front fender, only a tail light, no rear fenders.
I just got an e-mail back from an inspector but haven't looked at it yet.
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OK he recommended the 130-150 club and maybe the BUB deal...
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I just noticed you posted this in the Maxton ECTA area. You need to look at their site, also linked from the front page to see if you can run there as well. It may be closer to you and they start earlier in the year. Lots of great folks racing there too...
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Take the opportuity to run that beast. You will not regret the chance to run an entry on the salt. Maxton is one thing, the flats another. The WOS is a great opportunity to meet like-minded individuals, and get a taste of the action. That is a bad machine. Give it a taste of the flat out, balls to the wall, as fast as it will run (at the proper gearing to keep it within limits of the entered class) race against the clock. Once you get your tickets, you will have proof in your hands that you have done what so few others have. Then the next run? Who knows? What have you to lose?
You may just change your mind about getting a class qualifying entry together after experiencing firsthand the bond that brings all these racers together.
It can be interesting to one so inclined.
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go to the bub deal. you can RIDE the bike to and from the racecourse. WOS and the speekweek/world finals require you to trailer the bike to and from the course. hopefully bb will fix the long waits that plagued this years event.
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At World of Speed, 130 club, the entry can be driven/riden anywhere on the salt.
DW
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OK, USFRA guys chime in here but I think 150 club can drive as well. Seems like I saw some of them driving back during WOS. They are a great group of guys to race with.
Send a PM to Narider about your classification, Go to Maxton, then come out to the salt in September, you will not be disappointed unless the weather does not cooperate...
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Yeah I was thinking Maxton first, then the salts. But my ride isnt street legal any more..
Thanks for all the help guys.
By the way........... its just a li'll scooter.... :evil:
Short Vid.
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OK, USFRA guys chime in here but I think 150 club can drive as well. Seems like I saw some of them driving back during WOS. They are a great group of guys to race with.
Send a PM to Narider about your classification, Go to Maxton, then come out to the salt in September, you will not be disappointed unless the weather does not cooperate...
A little off subject, but do the 150 mph guys run the shorter 1 mile course that is used for the 130 mph cars/bikes or do they use the regular course??
Thanks,
Sum
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From what I read they use a 2 mile....
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They ran the regular course to the 2 1/4 if I remember correctly, their speed is their 1/4 average.
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Yep, thats the way it works.
DW
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Todd, Ray, Jon, any other ECTA inspectors....
Do we have a way to accommodate this fella? I'd sure like to see him have a go at it. Keith and Joe are in Delaware working on the rulebook right now, so maybe they'll chime in when they are back to their normal lives. Hope we can make this work. Still, it MUST be as safe as possible.
Dan
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Without reviewing the entire thread -- I'd say that I would pass on up the chain of command the question of whether we could allow this ride to run at Maxton.
I'd consider inspecting the bike from the safety aspect, could sidestep the rules a bit to allow him to run for time only (no class into which this bike would fit), but in case of an upset -- I'm not sure I want to be the one that has the responsibility of having said "yes" after an incident where the bike got upset and the rider was injured because he stayed with the bike as it tumbled, rolled, whatever.
Keith and Joe will be back in the world in a day or two.
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I have a steering stabilizer, deadmans tether kill, and best of all the smarts to know when to say when, full leathers and gear. Well my leathers do have the cooling stuff under the arms and behind the knees. Its your game and I want to play but for the life of me cant see what the wheel placement has to do with me running or not. I dont care what class its in or not, but like I said its your game and I dont want to cause any probs
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Orange guy, it's visually apparent from the photo that you're strapped to the bike. If that's the case -- my concern is about egress during/after an incident.
As for letting you run once that (and any other issue I haven't seen) is satisfied - - there just isn't a class for a three-wheeler where the three wheels leave three tracks. That's all -- not your fault for riding a trike, but rather that we don't have a class into which you could fit. Would we let you run for time only? Maybe -- but that's one I'll also refer up the ladder. Maybe a limited run or two at limited speeds so the officials could observe handling and other bike behavior -- and then you're good to go, assuming nothing bad becomes apparent.
As for the non-leather parts of your leathers -- wait and see if that rule remains standing or if it modified for '08. One can never tell. . .
Finally -- gee, whiz, you're not causing any problems other than making us think more in-depth than we often do. We want everyone who shows up with a race-worthy vehicle to race, but to keep our liability noses clean we have to be satisfied that we aren't jeopardising our insurance coverage by letting you run if the insurance policy would be canceled (or something) if you did -- thereby meaning that NONE of us can race.
Back to you being strapped onto the bike -- I did watch the video, way back when you first posted it -- but now I don't remember in detail. If you've got a working tether -- that implies that it is possible for you to get off the bike without using hands to loosen anything. That's a point in your favor.
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Orange Guy -
I hope you're getting the correct message here. We're a VERY inclusive bunch and we'd all love to see you run. No way are we trying to keep you out. We just have to figure out some way to make it happen that is safe and fun for you. Maybe we can't, but you can rest assured that we'll all TRY to find a way to get you down the track.
We had a guy in a chair last year who came to observe, and he was asking if a bike that he was building would be OK. It was a 2 wheel bike with side riggers that came out at low speed. Don't know the details but I'm pretty sure that Keith gave provisional approval (of course, the inspectors will have to see it first). He hasn't been out with it yet. The moral of this story is that we'll get you on the track if we can.
Best of Luck
Dan
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as far as the leathers go... im pretty sure the SCTA isnt gonna roll off the "all cow" rule any time soon. the cooling stuff behind your knees and pits wont fly unless its leather and if the perf hole patern cant be covered by one palm it needs to be fixed...Amanda at Speed sport in Tulsa ok does an outstanding job on repairs and is very reasonable...
kent
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What is wrong with side car class?????????
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and palm size can very --i found out the hard way--
and what is wrong with a side car--i know the 3 wheeler is more stable if you turn toward a sidecar it will try to lift --we are going in a straight line though--if there was a 3 wheeler class i would probably run in it i know i would want my wife to thanks willie buchta
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This is from the back of my USFRA 130/150 tech sheet;
Karts will be teched and treated like a motorcycle.
Street luge will be teched and treated like a motorcycle.
Tractor (lawn mower) will be teched and treated like a motorcycle.
Seems to me that a trike should have a place here too with all safety requirements for motorcycle being met. (?)
DonS
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My knees are strapped on with Velcro straps that I have to use my hands to take loose, But I have mounted them to the frame in a way that they can brake loose in case of a roll over, any other way and my knees would "wing out" from the wind at any thing over 70 mph. Also my leathers are perforated in the chest ... I'll stick with the drag strip. I cant build a ride just for the salts as I'll only get to use it but once and I cant come all that way and end up not passing spec. Thanks for try'n guys.
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orange guy...ever hear the one "if it were easy everyone would be doin it"...by the sounds of your posts and look of your bike, i dont think your the kind of guy that will let anything slow ya up. after all ya did build a bike so you can ride again.... unfortunately your bike doesnt fit into one of our existing classes...you arn't the first guy that this has happened to....you can do the easy thing and go drag race your bike at your local strip...you probably already know you cant do a professional drag race cuz your bike doesnt fit into one of there classes too...now if you want to participate in a professional event and set a world record, i think you already know you will need to build a specific vehicle. Peg leg craig is building a sidecar streamliner to set a record. so we dont care what someones perticular challange is (i will have to add that i think most of us are mentaly challanged) you just need to have the desire to be a part of history, and the stones to make it happen
kent
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I am with Kent-- folks were trying to COACH you how to do it---IF you were intrested enough to be coachable---guess not!!!!!
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OA, take the trike to Maxton, comply with their requirements, they are not the same as the salt.... just basic safety stuff, PM narider or damurf, they will fill ya in on the requirements. People there can also tell you what you need for Bonneville. If you think the trike will go 160, and you still want to go to the salt, go to WOS. You can landspeed race if you want to.
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Another option O.P. is Lake Gairdner Australia ,trikes allowed and welcomed , go for any speed you like , we cater for many different machines that the SCTA do not , I just wish it was easier on the hip nerve for ppl to attend
cheers