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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: Loose Goose-Terry#1 on November 12, 2007, 07:59:28 PM
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:-D I am considering going ahead and purchasing my tires for my streamliner. I thought there was a time limit on tires but I can't seem to find it in the rulebook so I am wondering how long would they be good for before they would be too old to pass tech. The tires in question are Goodyear Land Speed tires. I am still in the early stages of fabrication and at the rate I'm going it might be ready to run in about 4 or 5 years. I don't want to use up the life of the tires just holding the frame off the ground. :|
Terry
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REEEALL OLD.
Check out the Firestone Monza tires that show up still- they raced at Monza in the 50s. (Last century)
Suggestion- get Goodyear's opinion and/or invest in roll-around tires till you KNOW you'r e ready to race.
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on the motorcycle side of things.... V,Z,ZR DOT tires have to be less than 10 years old... no age limit on "race" tires... on the car side of things....there aint no such thing as a old tire :-D
kent
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I'd have to agree with Kent. He's old. hahaha I mean, I agree with what he said.
So Kent, I hope you had another number besides 142???? How's snitty. spelling?
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Build a car. No one cares how old your tires are. Some race car tires have so many cracks its like looking at the back view of a nudist convention.
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Build a car. No one cares how old your tires are. Some race car tires have so many cracks its like looking at the back view of a nudist convention.
It might not feel like no one cares now . . . but once there is a serious accident or fatality that will all change.
Used to see lots of 'chute failures and it felt like "no one cared" but that has changed.
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You REALLY should change your tires when they look like this.
(http://thebeautybrains.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/wrinkles-beach.jpg)
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Hey! you want mustard , horseradish or gravy on that?
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While there may or may not be any definitive rules regarding this issue, it occurs to me that tires are something you wouldn't want to cheap-out on. For me, the question isn't "How old can my tires be?', but "Do I want to outlive my tires?"
But then, I'm not into rollcage testing.
On top of that, if you buy your racing tires now, who's to say that a rules change in the next 4 to 5 years won't make your tires illegal? Then you might have paid for 4 expensive racing tires that are of no use to anybody.
I think Interested Bystander has the right approach. With my SCCA and dirt track buddies, they get some old skins that are the same size as what they intend to race on in order to build their cars, and then get something new (or newer) when they're ready to race. An old, cheap set might be the way to go for build-up, but do you really want to be the guy on YouTube who throws a shoe at speed?
And at the risk of sounding selfish, I know I wouldn't want to be the guy patiently waiting behind you in 100+ degree temperatures while 4 to 5 years of your hard work and countless thousands of dollars were being painstakingly dragged off the lakebed because you got a good deal on tires in 2007.
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What happens if in four or five years, the tires you need, and built the car around, are not avalible?
I would buy them when they are avaliable. My 2 cents. Vince
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.......................because you got a good deal on tires in 2007.
I don't think it is a matter of a good deal, but can you get them when you need them. I bought tires 2 maybe 3 years ago hoping I was going to need them before now, but mainly wanting to get them while I could. Yes there has been tires available since, but not all the time and you never can count on them in the future for sure. I'll invest in 2 more soon as it doesn't take much to ruin the ones you have accidentally on the course or off.
I do store them according to the Goodyear dealer's suggestions who I got them from and don't have them on the race car. Since the car will soon be a roller I need to start looking for some tires to use on it while I work on it and move it around.
c ya,
Sum
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P.S. I keep mine covered in heavy black garbage bags to protect them from UV rays and keep them in the shop ( mild temperatures) Vince
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Another problem with building to a specific tire is that said tire may not be available in the future. Ask Sam Wheeler.
DW
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The main thing is protect the tires when not in use. Store them as noted, Have a set of roll around shop tires and and don't have the race tires mounted on the car during the trip to the race track. Lots of chafing etc.
I have seen wooden disks, alum disks etc. used to transport the cars. Many of the racers have some sort of towing rig to keep the tires off the ground after each run. Each inspection we see new methods of this and at the cost of tires it's important to protect them at all times.
I hope to take pictures of tow devices at speed week and the lakes next season and post them for everyone to see.
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Availability - sad fact and good point. Go to Sumner's link to GOODYEAR EAGLE LANDSPEED TIRES in his Lakester build up diary, click on it, and you get the following -
"We're Sorry - The page you requested may no longer exist on www.racegoodyear.com."
Ouch.
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"We're Sorry - The page you requested may no longer exist on www.racegoodyear.com."
More a statement on how quickly links change. I couldn't find the link you mentioned but the Frontrunner Eagle Land Speed info is still available.
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:-) Thanks for all the input. Availability at this time was my primary concern. I intend to get my tires from Carter-Maxwell in OK as soon as my size is available again. Jerry Maxwell said they ran out of stock in August and haven't had any come in yet. :-( Anyway, I will store the tires like GoodYear recommends. :wink:
Does anyone out there have a used 21"x4"or5"x15" AND a 23"x4"or5"x15" Goodyear Land Speed Tires :? (need just one each that will hold air) I need them for the front and rear of my streamliner bike.
Thanks,
Terry A. Hume
ctracing@earthlink.net
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I know that we love the stories of 27+ year old tyres being 'trimmed' for use when the reinforcement starts to show through the surface rubber, but the events here in the UK last year focused on tyre age - even though it was not a factor in the accident that occured at 280 mph.
Tyres or the materials they are made from have a life - be they road or track. Know the age of production (which may be some years before the purchase date) and do not use them beyond the stated period would be the health and safety ruling.
Shipping methods, handling, mounting, storage and 'running in' are all factors that can affect the speed capability. A brief chapter in the Dieselmax book (search Amazon) tells us how JCB went about protecting Andy Green.
Tyres are a small percentage of the cost of most vehicles so do not play cheap with the only contact between you and the salt.
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All tires are not equal. Goodyear LSR tires look the same as Goodyear Front Runner Drag tires. The big difference is in the number of plys. The LSR tire has six plys in the sidewalls, thus the price difference from the cheaper Front Runners.
Tom
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If this topic isn't about dead, Goodyears' website seems to currently be racegoodyear.com and if you forage around you'll find the current cataloged landspeed tires after the drag race front runners and before the sports compact drag sizes.
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Availability - sad fact and good point. Go to Sumner's link to GOODYEAR EAGLE LANDSPEED TIRES in his Lakester build up diary, click on it, and you get the following -
"We're Sorry - The page you requested may no longer exist on www.racegoodyear.com."
It is fixed now with the right (new) link. The link is on my lakester pages and also on my "links" page:
http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/bvillecar/bvillelinks.htm
Sum