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Title: speed rated tires
Post by: biketoc on May 02, 2007, 10:42:58 PM
Will I need speed rated tires to run in the MPS/G 50/2 class ? I do not expect to go over 65 mph.
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: Stainless1 on May 03, 2007, 08:41:11 AM
If you were running Bonneville, you would need an H rated tire 0-130 MPH...
Do you have an ECTA rulebook yet?  Just as well join and get one so you know all the rules...
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: JackD on May 03, 2007, 10:48:34 AM
Not so fast.   :wink:

SCTA 2007

"7.8.8
"0 t0 70 MPH   Any tire designed for motorcycle use is permitted."
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: wolbrink471 on May 03, 2007, 01:09:00 PM
ummmm....errrrrrr...oh boy...here goes anyway

mps-g 50cc record at Bonneville is 82.590

and

7.B.8. Third Paragraph
The required speed rating is governed by the record speed in the class entered.

not trying to pick a fight with you JAckD.....just trying to prove that some of us really are reading the rulebook out here!

Mark
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: JackD on May 03, 2007, 01:58:22 PM
The answer was directed to the question. :wink:
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: Stainless1 on May 03, 2007, 04:48:08 PM
Although my 2007 book is in the mail, I looked up the record, checked my 2006 rules and based my answer appropriately.  How fast you think you can go doesn't really count in any venue does it?   :roll:
Get the rule book or hope someone smarter than us answers...  :wink:
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: wolbrink471 on May 03, 2007, 05:43:05 PM
ok...i understand the original question had to do with ecta, but i am a bit confused about the bonneville references/comments....

I looked up the record, checked my 2006 rules and based my answer appropriately.  How fast you think you can go doesn't really count in any venue does it?   :roll:

7.B.8. All motorcycle entries, including streamliners and sidecars, must use tires with an appropriate speed rating. The required speed rating is governed by the record speed in the class entered.

Stainless1 was this the specific part of the rule that you checked?

 :|
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: RichFox on May 03, 2007, 06:33:09 PM
Are we giving SCTA answers to ECTA questions again?
Title: 18" classic-style NEW 50cc tyres/tires... (Modern, NOT clinchers)
Post by: tomsmith on May 03, 2007, 06:38:32 PM
And he has matching 18" alloy rims...

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Leeflang" <classicraceparts@hetnet.nl>

Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: tires and rims

> Hello Tom,
>
> Yes I sell this Bridgestone racingtyres for the rim of 1,2x18 ,what we used for 50cc racing
> with top run of about 180Kmph !!!(sometimes more).
> One set (2,00X18 + 2,25X18)of this tyres cost in Euro's 249,- (excl. shiping to the
> USA,I must asking for the cost).
> I hope I can help you with your project at the Bonneville.
> Best Regards,
> Nick Leeflang.
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on May 03, 2007, 07:32:45 PM
An old ECTA rule book calls for standard production tires up to 125. Don't know about current. It also calls for a minimum of 15" wheels.

If there is no record in your class than speed in a similar class is used. The fastest ECTA 50cc record in the modified class is 65 mph. I think you should have no problems with the tires you have.

You really need a rule book. Have you joined ECTA yet?
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: JackD on May 03, 2007, 07:44:00 PM
The 2 at the end of the class designation indicates it is an entry for ECTA as a 2 stroke. :wink:
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: 1212FBGS on May 03, 2007, 08:02:33 PM
hold on tom.... what tires and sizes are you looking for???? i can get anything that guy can get you probably for less especially flintstones. i'm in really tight with the west coast dist. let me know
kent
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: biketoc on May 03, 2007, 08:44:13 PM
The one I have is 70 cc fuel injected 2 stroke 13" tubeless tire .I just want to get an official time for that bike.
The one I want to build for a record attempt will have a 50cc carb with  nitrous MPS/F-50/2 same tires .I will get my rule book before I build the second one but I already have the fuel injected one pushing 60 mph.and I want to come down in September .
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: 1212FBGS on May 03, 2007, 09:17:54 PM
you should be safe with your 13"hoops at 65mph but none of the tire mfg rate there scooter rubber faster than a "R" (106mph)
good luck
kent
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: biketoc on May 04, 2007, 06:24:08 AM
The tires I have are Michelin pilot sports the size is 130 /60- 13 mc I don't know what rating that is .
It would read 130 60 R13 But there is no R . the tires are sold as original equipment on 250cc scooters ..
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: LittleLiner on May 04, 2007, 08:57:14 AM
The ECTA rule book for 2007 indicates that OEM motorcycle tires are OK up to 125mph at Maxton.  This year there is an update to the wheel size specs that says that 15inch in the minimum.  I suspect there would be an exception for stuff like pocket bikes, scooters etc., but that is just my very unofficial opinion.  The rule book lists Scott Guthrie as the contact for 'Correspondence related to motorcycle rules . .'  It lists an email address of ecta-mc-committee@yahoo.com.   Mr Guthrie is a regular on this board so he might see this thread and respond directly right here.   When you send an email to any official at ECTA it is suggested that you include words in the subject line like “ECTA” or “Maxton” — so your mail does not get tossed with the junk mail.  They are apparently getting hammered with SPAM. 

BTW  There should not be any problem timing your bike at those low speeds.  In addition to the electronic clocks the tower also has a calendar.  :-D
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on May 04, 2007, 10:58:17 AM
Michelin Pilot Sport Sc 130/60x13 53P TL has a speed rating of P=93 mph
Title: Re: speed rated tires
Post by: biketoc on May 04, 2007, 09:23:02 PM
Thank you for that information.I was a little worried about that.
I am running on a very limited budget .My plan is to run what I have .that way I can figure out
where to sleep and eat  also how to get there and what I will need .all that is beside building a racer.
I may get a turbo 1300 but I still need to figure out the above mentioned stuff along with getting a rule book to go land racing.for now the bottom class will be a load of fun. I am looking forward to September.