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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SpeedWeek 2020 => Topic started by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 04, 2020, 02:18:13 PM
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I've driven out to about the 9 mile or so on course #1. That's where the dragging ends, and the salt is pretty danged good. The first sizeable blemish is at the 6 1/2 and there are only a few funky spots. I'd say the salt on course one - a combo course, by the way -- is as good as we've seen in a few years. No dragging necessary in the pits, which are dry. And no dragging for turnouts until past the 5 on course one.
One of the workers asked me about the course in this way: "Would you race on it?" My response -- I'd let Nancy ride 200 on a bike on it - that's how good it looks now.
Course 2 isn't quite so good but close, for sure. And the good salt peters out by the 3 1/2 and becomes "okay" salt. The return road from the far end of course 2 is naturally limited to 45mph today and'll probably get worse. But 45 is way better than creeping along and breaking spring shackles anyway, like last year or two.
100 front-row pits have been marked, and with 3 same-size rows behind that means there's room for 400 pits. About 240 or so are pre-registered, I hear.
Honey Buckets has delivered the first toilets with the rest coming here later. Each porta-potty has a hand sanitizer dispenser in it. There are a few sanitizer stands around registration and inspection, but provide your own if you want one close to hand (so to speak). I believe we'll be putting some 6' markings around the toilets, too.
JoAnn just called to say lunch is being served in 15 minutes at the White Goose Bar. Later --
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That is really good news. Thank you, Jon.
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Hey Slim... I would have made the front row pits 250 long.... Everyone wants the front row.. :naughty lol8 lol8... J D
Sounds like everything is moving along fine.. good luck
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We see you Jon!
Don
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This is great to hear.
Thanks for the update Slim! We'll be rolling in Friday, just the usual long list of essentials to pack before departing tomorrow night.
Getting antsy, other than cleaning the rust off some spare parts that seem to have grown red fur since cleaning last fall.
-Pz
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12 months ago today, I was travelling from Australia at 600mph at 36,000 feet in a tube with holes in it, heading for Bonneville,,
Gairdner cancelled + not being allowed outta the country, our only salt fix this year is hanging off every bit of information we can gleam from this site,,
Thankyou Slim and co, "keep it coming" :cheers: :-D 8-)
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Agreed, Slim thanks for the updates, those of us that can't cross the borders appreciate it!
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Yes thanks for the salt updates!
VP Racing Fuels now sells hand sanitizer in quart spray bottles and gallon jugs. I'd be willing to bet they'll be selling it at the track? Support the vendors!!!
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The VP semi is here but nothing is set up and nobody is here yet, nor is a tanker or any of that. Patience!
Did I tell you that all the porta-potties have hand sanitizer dispensers? They do - have for a few years now.
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Sure they have hand sanitizers..But do they have that handy little triangular holder on the wall for the lady's handbag?? Buddy's wife thought that is what that was for...Honest. :cheers:
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Silly girl! Everybody knows that's where the big breath mints are dispensed. :clap
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I'm going through the registration sheets and entering the existing record info - and I think I've run across an error in the 2020 book's record list. I don't have an old book handy, so would one of youse guys give me the speed for AA/BFCC, please?
According to the listed record, This year George Fields will be driving the 125 Trackmaster on a record of - - - 163.244 set last year at WoS. I find this difficult to believe, seeing that that car has gone way faster with four of the eight cylinders blank. Yeah, maybe it was a crappy track and an open record. Maybe, but I betcha not.
What's it say in the 2019 book? Tnx.
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Well, Jon, the 2019 book shows the AA/BFCC record as being held by Spirit of Autopower at 262.225, set at Speedweek in 2018. At World of Speed last September, George Fields set a new AA/BFCC at 263.244. So, just add 100MPH to what the 2020 book says.
See you on the salt in a couple of days. Save a mask for me!
Jeff in Boise
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Tnx, Jeff.
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It's Thursday and the racers are starting to arrive. I didn't take notes or pics, but I see the Strasburg lakester. I followed the Speed Demon onto the salt. Thundersalt is here, and I'll mosey around and see who else has showed up.
Notice: You must sign Covid-19 waivers to be allowed on the salt. At Land's End you'll be directed to a special area where you can do the paperwork and get the GREEN armband (that shows you've complied with the rule) that allows easy passage in for the rest of the event.
You'll still need to get your rider/driver armband or your crew/worker armband at registration.
They're putting down the long blue lines right now.
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Is there going to be audio from the event this year
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I have every intention of streaming the audio. I can't promise 'til I get it set up and running and I can't do that 'til the audio gear gets here - tomorrow - but I sure hope I get it running.
Part of the fun is gonna be doing it all by myself. I sounds like Ron won't be joining me so I'll be flinging papers everywhere trying to keep up with the action. Wish me luck.
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Does anyone need an entry?
I won't be able to make it.
will6er@yahoo.com
720-724-1381
:x
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I expect Ron Cohn will arrive and set up the audio equipment today, and once that's running I'll fire up the live stream and put on some tunes. I'll letcha know so you can tune in and tell me that it's working Mid-afternoon??
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Pre entry, save some $$, 275.00 We won't able to run this time.
Craig, cell ,425 501-5099
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The FM frequency on the salt will be 89.3 MHz - that's FM, kids. The radio is up and running but I haven't teried turning on the stream yet. That'll be later.
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The audio is up and running, I think. It's making it all the way from the laptop over there to this one dang near 8 feet away. Anybody else hearing it? Same link as last year - go to the upper right side of the site's home page.
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Seems to come through loud and clear. Thank you!
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Audio is working fine, loud and clear. Thank you Slim! I?ll be tuned in in the morning. I hope some records fall and everybody goes home safe and happy.
Thank you for what you do for us!
Chuck ?Tybeeman?
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yes confirmed audio is coming through fine. Look forward to listening over the next 7 days.
everyone take care.
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Loud and clear on the ridge out here in the Territories :cheers:
Fiber optic connection finally came to town this summer, looking forward to being able to listen in more during this year's meet :clap
Ed
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ten four down under :cheers:
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We're all here to race :-D oh boy Looking for finally doing some testing on the 77 :clap
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I really enjoy the streaming and I appreciate your effort. It does mean that less will get done in the shop in the following days but that is not a bad thing. These days not a lot gets done anyway.
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I was out of the "studio" and the stream crashed. It's back now, but that's the first - ever crash. I hope it's not a harbinger of things to come.
Now the crass aspect: landracing.com runs pretty much exclusively on donations. Usually I've made t-shirts for Salt Talks and sold them to fund the site. This year I've made some face masks and pocket knives instead of shirts. If you're here at the salt you can find me in the radio/timing slip trailer hard by the main pit entrance. I'd like at least $20 for one of the knives and at least $10 for a mask.
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I'll post a pic of the masks as soon as I find one. Donations via Paypal works fine - use the buttons here and there on this site/Forum, please, or send the donation to me at 509 Dukes Road, Skandia Michigan 49885.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
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Jon..If possible please save one pocket knife for me...And if you are taking requests? "Set the Controls For the Heart of the Sun" :cheers:
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Well I'll be go to h*ll. I drove past just now and there sure enough IS a car show at the Nugget. I didn't drive in and park but will try to do so tomorrow. I could see a good bunch of cars - definitely worth checking out while you're in town.
Other stuff: Tomorrow the driver meeting opens the day, and the schedule calls for racing per se to begin around 10.00. Okay, I guess so - although it often is later than that. Whatever, the schedule says racing will end at 5.30 PM every day (but Friday/last day). That's earlier than in the past few years, no doubt thanks to the lower entry count this year. On the same lines, racing will start with record return runs, like always, but they will be starting at 7.30 vs. the 7.00 we've been using for years.
Rich Trimmers, the chaplain from Racers for Christ, reports that he's bowed to public pressure and added a second Sunday morning service. 6.30 and 9.30 this coming Sunday.
The Speed Demon pit has a cool collection of old swag as well as current stuff. I got a couple of shirts from George's "Camel Toe Racing" team days. Check it out.
I haven't figured out if I'll be getting decent data in a timely manner for the broadcast, so you and I should just hope for the best, okay? We'll see how it works when the Rice brothers set it up tomorrow.
Deep enough! C ya tomorrow.
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Hi Jon. Thank you for keeping us in touch with what?s happening. Wish I could be there but as you know flight restrictions prevent virtually all international travel. Keep safe and well.
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It appears things are working so let's get going!
Ther stream is up, they're testing the timing lights now, I just got my FM radio so IO can hear what's going on, but nobody has set up my monitors so I can tell youse guys what's what. Patience! We'll get it working soon.
I saw the Guthrie-Levie bike headed for the line as I drove in - didn't notice any others in particular, but there's no doubt - lotsa bikes and cars at the line, waiting, waiting.
GOOD MORNING! IT'S SpeedWeek!!
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Thanks, Jon. Drivers' meeting soon?
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In line at Lands End.
Radio sounds good
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At about 2.5 mile mark. It's a good place to be on a Saturday morning
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Thanks for the stream slim! Listening here in Meridian Idaho...unfortunately cant make it this year and its killing me!
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Looking at photos on bangshift.com noticed a lot of disregard of face mask wearing. How are they controlling that requirement?
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Just as Speed Demon was about to make its first pass, someone came into my office and started talking to me. I didn't hear the speed?
Can anyone post the speed for #715?
Thanks,
Steve.
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Last Speed demon run I heard was 380 mph
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Hi Slim, how do I find where to listen to the live broadcast on my home computer,? thanks Dave
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Go to the landracing.com homepage. At the top right, you will see the audio streaming link.
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Hi Slim, how do I find where to listen to the live broadcast on my home computer,? thanks Dave
https://www.meridix.com/event/169850
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Just as Speed Demon was about to make its first pass, someone came into my office and started talking to me. I didn't hear the speed?
Can anyone post the speed for #715?
Thanks,
Steve.
380mph Mile 4 on a check out pass. All systems checked out and they are servicing the car for another run in a couple of hours.
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Thanks guys I found Slim's audio broadcast, Dave
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Jon, the broadcast is great. One thing- non-USA listeners may not know that the speed numbers you report are in MPH, not kM/H. You might mention "MPH" now and then.
Thanks for keeping us informed.
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Wow, listening to the broadcast and they are talking about no line on course 1 on opening day. That is a big indicator of the small amount of competitors compared to a normal year. Stay safe everyone and go fast.
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I?d agree with DW230. Other than our inspection team I?d say quite a few are ignoring the use of a mask by the photos on Bangshift..... they all must be younger than me...
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Just as Speed Demon was about to make its first pass, someone came into my office and started talking to me. I didn't hear the speed?
Can anyone post the speed for #715?
Thanks,
Steve.
380mph Mile 4 on a check out pass. All systems checked out and they are servicing the car for another run in a couple of hours.
Second run was 447 on a 417 record. 455 exit speed.
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Speed Demon 441.709 mph and an exit speed of 455 mph- it was still accelerating! Congratulations to George Poteet and the whole team!
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There is a many page article on the AA engine built for Speed Demon in HR magazine this month and the reasons they could finally get a BB engine between the frame rail structure. A lot of info for those ?need to know?.
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Speed Demon 441.709 mph and an exit speed of 455 mph- it was still accelerating! Congratulations to George Poteet and the whole team!
Oil fire during the run, they are not going to impound.
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There are 9 vehicles in impound, and the Speed Demon ain't one of them. The impound guys told me that the SD turned down impound 'cause they'd have only 2 hours (before pit closing at 8) and they need 4 to refresh it. If there's fire damage - that's sure a good reason to go to the pit.
The 832 Eyres roadster is in impound, the Guthrie Levie 350 SCS is there, a couple of cars and bikes that were tarped. I'll get the list and speeds tomorrow morning before I go on the air.
Don't forget that return runs will probably start running around 8 and will be done in a half hour. I'm gonna shower and shave - back later with more stuff.
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Further still: Danny Burrows posted that the 715 car hurt #4 hole at about the 3 1/2, so that 447 mile/455 back door was on 7 cylinders and a light tuneup. Danny says that they now feel that'll be a 480-490 mph motor - next time. For now they're putting in the A motor for tomorrow.
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Does anyone have the control frequencies? I tried a lot of scanning last year and could not find the frequencies. This year I brought an SDR radio and a couple of pieces of software and nothing. I have tried everything from 450 to 470 Mhz. I even tried up to 485 Mhz which used to be used by NHRA but it is now a TV band.
Listening to the control radio frequencies was important for me when I was doing the NHRA blower belt stuff (NHRA used to give me the main frequencies -- and they were sometimes published by racing radios), and I got very used to enjoying the control chatter.
Thanks
Jim
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Hi,
Can't be with you this week, so a big HELLO from Great Britain.
Keep safe, break records and enjoy the friendships!!!
Big thanks to all, racers, crews, SCTA/BNI attendees, helpers and free spirits...
Patrick
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Slim...Spotted Stainless yet??
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Slim, can we get the speed for Caven c/bgmmp
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listening to the audio stream right now.
You are going a great job Slim!
very informative - very entertaining!
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Speed Demon crew is working feverishly to fix the burned piston and burned wiring. Not even thinking about changing engines. I knew immediately what was going on when they put out a call for a brush hone. They are putting it together now. Run tomorrow morning
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Eddy Umland hurt the front QC in his liner. Taking it apart now to see if repairable. Eight cars in line WTF.
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Just spoke to Ron Main. Engine is comprised by running lean. Kenny will be putting some fuel in it. They will be running a soft tune up George is only looking for one thing a AA record over 450 Take advantage of good salt and perfect weather
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How's Poteet doin?
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Slim, can we get the speed for Caven c/bgmmp
I heard a 192 something earlier today and it didn't go the full 5 miles.
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I?d like to mirror the other comments. Slim you are doing a great job!
You asked earlier if the track mic was better, it?s a little better but you could turn it up a bit, can only really hear the loud things.
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Radio sounds good. Loud and clear at the 2.5 mile
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Has the vesco streamliner put in any runs yet.
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Slim your volume/sound is great. Using my I-Phone in my truck I can blow myself out. Using the Blue tooth speakers i have in my garage in a light fixture has only the volume in the phone which I turn up as high as I can.
Thanks for all You and every one else does....JD
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Has the vesco streamliner put in any runs yet.
It made at least one licensing pass yesterday. Not sure where they are at for today.
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Slim I Listen to you all day in my shop. Sounded Great.
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The feed is sounding greta in the UK. Thanks Slim.
Does anyone know if Alp S' has run with his Vincent yet?
Good luck Al Lamb!!!
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Alright Speed Demon freaks. They are getting ready to start the engine. Then load it up,should be on the starting line soon. A little while ago CA was 6100 ft. Hope the new track is good in the 5 mile
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The feed is sounding greta in the UK. Thanks Slim.
Does anyone know if Alp S' has run with his Vincent yet?
Good luck Al Lamb!!!
Off the SCTA site link on the home page this site - Alp made a 99.311 run on the short course yesterday, guessing maybe just a checkout/shakedown run. No info yet on Alp today, life stuff has had me away from the live stream (link on the top right of the homepage here) most of the morning.
Ed
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The feed is sounding greta in the UK. Thanks Slim.
Does anyone know if Alp S' has run with his Vincent yet?
Good luck Al Lamb!!!
Off the SCTA site link on the home page this site - Alp made a 99.311 run on the short course yesterday, guessing maybe just a checkout/shakedown run. No info yet on Alp today, life stuff has had me away from the live stream (link on the top right of the homepage here) most of the morning.
That is great RidgeRunner, thank you. I am now tuned in and listening.
Cheers.
Ed
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Alright Speed Demon freaks. They are getting ready to start the engine. Then load it up,should be on the starting line soon. A little while ago CA was 6100 ft. Hope the new track is good in the 5 mile
Did they get a good run?
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Alright Speed Demon freaks. They are getting ready to start the engine. Then load it up,should be on the starting line soon. A little while ago CA was 6100 ft. Hope the new track is good in the 5 mile
Did they get a good run?
From the teams Instagram:
The car stopped pulling between the 1st and 2nd mile. According to the team, the rear end is toast. They stripped the spline on the bottom shaft. They are repairing it now.
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Tom, what's their IG tag?
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Mike, try danny_burrow
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Tom, what's their IG tag?
speeddemonracingteam
or
maxwell_industries
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Thanks guys!
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Cant find the usual daily run & record results on the SCTA page, anyone know where they might be posted
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http://www.scta-bni.org/2020-speed-week-results.html
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Right in the middle of the page; 1st entry in the green Bonneville box,
Mike
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Hey - 11 hours of babbling and I can still talk. Sorta. To tell the truth, I'm pleasantly surprised at how little irritation I'm feeling. Maybe the air conditioner is blowing cough syrup or something.
17 cars and 10 bikes are in impound tonight. I think that's a few more than this morning, and before you ask there isn't (yet) a prepared list of who's what and how fast, so don't ask. 8-). Return runs begin with the parade to the line at about 7.30 with runs probably starting at about 8 and oughta be all done on both courses by 9.15 or so.
Course one was dragged a bit tonight. The course is really course 1b since it's the second of three course 1s that were prepared. I have no idea of what, if anything, is/was being done on course 2 for tomorrow.
I heard pleasant exclamations of surprise at the number of spectators (and racers) at SpeedWeek. But tonight on my way I chatted with the guys that know better than dang near anyone else how many. That'd be Matt and Craig from Honey Buckets. They told me that they had expected that they could skip pumping the units Wednesday based on first expectations -- last week. As of tonight they said they'd be back as scheduled Tues and Weds.
Sorry I forgot the music was on in the background. I goofed up.
Ah, that's enough. Catch ya laturrr...
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Slim - it was a pleasure listening to you today. You are the Garrison Keillor of Motorsport. Very odd thing, though - I turned on the Live Stream this morning just in time to catch the first pass by George Poteet and hear his turn out. I then kept the broadcast going for a few hours while I did paper work, then I left the iPad for a little bit and the broadcast kicked off.
When I turned it back on, Poteet was just hitting the second mile and going through the 5 at 396-ish mph. Obviously a problem. Went to the Speed Demon 715 FB page to see that they had lost a few cylinders. I listened for a while longer, than had to do errands.
Coming back to the iPad, I turned on the Live Stream just in time to hear you say that the 715 was next up. It was a pleasure to hear you say 428mph in the 5th mile!
Spooky timing - every time I turned on the broadcast, George was making a run. I hope that I can hear them set the record on Tuesday!
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The Speed Demon race team has an ace in the hole that dang near nobody knows about. George's sister is Betty Howard, and she's making sure I'm fed and have snacks and so on. She is a sweetheart and I've known her for years and if her big brother weren't George Poteet I'd consider ----- ah, mmm, never mind what I was thinking.
I had a great time out there today, as per the norm. I'd like to solicit a helper or two out there in internet land. I hear so many bits and pieces each day and pass them along on the audio -- that maybe somebody oughta transcribe them and post the bunch of tidbits as a daily summary. It's not like I pay attention to what I'm saying, yanno. And my penmanship sucks now with the gunged-up right paw of mine.
C ya.
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Anyone know who the chase helicopter is filming for?
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Slim,
You are doing a great job as usual. The fact that you are by yourself this year, I'm surprised you still have a voice.
Thank you much for the information and your entertainment/humor.
My family is very sorry we aren't there this year .... sometimes things are just beyond your control. This is one of those times. Sooner of later the Mk VIII will be back at the salt in it's BGC/F configuration. Sounds like the salt is holding up pretty well this year, so it's a bummer to miss the opportunity to be there.
Anyway Thank you for your Efforts and keep up the good work. I'll be listening to the back-up runs in the morning.
Good luck to all the racers ....Stay safe.
Jon C.
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It's a pleasure listening to you Slim rather than the EX-PERT who could care less about the "little" guy and missed giving speeds since they weren't the "big" guys. You are doing a great job since we can we realize there are not many inline or running as in the past. Thanks again
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Alright Speed Demon freaks. They are getting ready to start the engine. Then load it up,should be on the starting line soon. A little while ago CA was 6100 ft. Hope the new track is good in the 5 mile
For those not on the Book of Face:
The Demon appears to have a set a new AA/BFS record at 437+. Yesterday afternoon they went 428 (exit speed 436). Impound overnight. Ran again early this morning and reached a 450 avg (exit speed 460.6). Well done! :cheers:
If I read the SCTA/BNI records list right, that leaves Danny T at 448 in AA/FS and Turbinator II at 482 in T3 as the remaining faster wheel-driven vehicles.
Great stuff, wish I were there!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Slim;
"And my penmanship sucks now with the gunged-up right paw of mine."
So you're single-handedly manning the microphone? You are doing a fine job of keeping all of us informed and entertained, Jon.
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Fantastic job you are doing Slim. Thanks for keeping us all up to speed.
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Up to speed?? Friday already? :cheers:
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I heard that, Jon. :-D
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Congrats speed demon team on new record. The length of the Burkland's record lets you know this is no easy feat, especially acknowledging where we come with engine controls since 2004.
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Alright Speed Demon freaks. They are getting ready to start the engine. Then load it up,should be on the starting line soon. A little while ago CA was 6100 ft. Hope the new track is good in the 5 mile
For those not on the Book of Face:
The Demon appears to have a set a new AA/BFS record at 437+. Yesterday afternoon they went 428 (exit speed 436). Impound overnight. Ran again early this morning and reached a 450 avg (exit speed 460.6). Well done! :cheers:
If I read the SCTA/BNI records list right, that leaves Danny T at 448 in AA/FS and Turbinator II at 482 in T3 as the remaining faster wheel-driven vehicles.
Great stuff, wish I were there!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Word is the Demon team are using the 450 pass this morning as a qualifying run and will try to back it up with another 450+ run later today.
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Can't do that. Each qualifying/backup run is a pair. Using the 450 run another record is not allowed under SCTA rules. FIA allow any set of consecutive runs to be used as record factors.
DW
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Can't do that. Each qualifying/backup run is a pair. Using the 450 run another record is not allowed under SCTA rules. FIA allow any set of consecutive runs to be used as record factors.
DW
Thanks for the clarification.
For a moment there I thought that I had missed an opportunity or two. :?
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Any word on the electric lakester?
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Thank you Slim for the broadcast! We were there in person Friday through Monday and now listening from home. I really enjoy the broadcast!!
MX304 I saw 192 mph on the first test pass.
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Can't do that. Each qualifying/backup run is a pair. Using the 450 run another record is not allowed under SCTA rules. FIA allow any set of consecutive runs to be used as record factors.
DW
Thanks Dan for setting us guys straight.
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Way to go Ralph Hudson 268
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Hudson?s 650cc bike seemed to never run out of RPM. Such a beautiful and sweet sounding engine.
John
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IS the 911 roadster there running? I saw it on the entry lest but haven't seen any runs / times.
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From the results 08/09:
911 AA BFR Cummins-Beck-Davidson-Th 277.861 289.474 234.382 0.000 0.000 289.474
One run only in the three days of results.
Mike
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Dave ran the car later this afternoon on course 2. Nothing outa sight but a decent run. I don't remember the speeds. Two runs so far this meet.
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Did it rain at the salt last night? My weather forecast said 75% chance of thunderstorms...
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No. Windy as hell at 5.30 pm but no rain. Kinda cloudy right now but not gonna rain.
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Did Slim not put the mic outside this morning ?
Lots of records falling this week, so the salt must be in very good condition. That's great
Jon
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Lots of records falling this week, so the salt must be in very good condition.
Lots of records? The SCTA website only shows seven new records on the long course for the first two days (Sunday & Monday), and not that many more on the short course. As for the salt, I drove it in the rental car. It's better than last year (which doesn't take much!), but not that great. There are marginal spots here and there. I talked to one driver who told me the reason for his spin was hitting a soft spot. I'm still waiting for SCTA to post the records that were set yesterday (Tuesday) morning.
Jeff in Boise
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The other day I looked at the SCTA website's lists of fastest run by each car on Saturday and Sunday. Didn't look at the bikes. So very few cars listed. I hope it was wrong. An El Mirage meet has more runs in one day.
And, I guess, we have to assume that a course you can run the complete distance on without breaking is deemed a "good" course nowadays by the SCTA.
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So very few cars listed. I hope it was wrong. An El Mirage meet has more runs in one day.
As early as Saturday afternoon, there were times with zero cars lined up to run in the Course #1 staging lanes.
Jeff in Boise
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Now that SCTA posted yesterday's results, I think that - for the first time since 2018 - somebody got a Red Hat at Speedweek! It would appear that Ronald Dean got one in D/MGT (listed Club minimum = 215MPH) at 219.239 against an open record. Congratulations!
Jeff in Boise
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Slim,
Car 181 did a class change. We ran as car 81 in G/CGALT and set a record at 129.224 mph on Monday.
We are now running it as car #181 G/CFALT Mursick, Cole, Ortiz with Easton Driessen driving. He got his rookie runs done yesterday and will be running for the record today.
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Stan.... gotta have vehicles in line to have runs. Listening to Slim, it seems like there is never much or any waiting...
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Back to impound, from Instagram:
speeddemonracingteam WOW!!!!! We are off to impound!!! 🙌🙌🙌🙌 That is the fastest speed down the salt EVER!!!
:cheers:
Mike
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Not to bad of salt aye. 457 approx. average. They really had to work at it, but accomplished there goal. WOW
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Congrats speed demon team on new record. The length of the Burkland's record lets you know this is no easy feat, especially acknowledging where we come with engine controls since 2004.
No easy feet, but money spent by Speed demon compared to Burland would be a shocker.
Also hands on building.
JL222
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Thanks so much Slim for making people happy all over the world! We get to listen to our favorite thing from wherever we are, this was taken at approx. 2000 ft. elevation in Northern California.
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I'm a Poteet fan. He's a true car guy and speedaholic. He's not on a yacht eating caviar and hobnobbing. He can't help it if he is a self made rich guy. He can't take it with him so he's very wisely spending it racing. :-D
I will always believe that the Burkland car can go way faster. If Tom would attend to his weight, by adding some ballast, Perhaps take a lesson from the Flash Point and get some high speed down force with wings, and perhaps some more modern tech with traction control. They only had 40 percent throttle on there 450 mph pass. If they could go to full throttle early in the run, it would be game on. If he would team up with Danny Thompson or some one that is good at acquiring sponsorship I think the car is more then capable. I realize with Gene being gone and them having the record for nearly a decade there may be no incentive to give it a GO. It would be fun to see a competition for that record. Burkland's car is just as capable as was the Thompson streamliner. You put 40 percent in those Donavons and hold on :lol:
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Good Job 1100 EV2, My Bro's Roger and Ed Hickey, and the entire team. :cheers:
Thanks so much Slim for the awesome play by play...Now we need to back it up :clap
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I'm a Poteet fan. He's a true car guy and speedaholic. He's not on a yacht eating caviar and hobnobbing. He can't help it if he is a self made rich guy. He can't take it with him so he's very wisely spending it racing. :-D
I will always believe that the Burkland car can go way faster. If Tom would attend to his weight, by adding some ballast, Perhaps take a lesson from the Flash Point and get some high speed down force with wings, and perhaps some more modern tech with traction control. They only had 40 percent throttle on there 450 mph pass. If they could go to full throttle early in the run, it would be game on. If he would team up with Danny Thompson or some one that is good at acquiring sponsorship I think the car is more then capable. I realize with Gene being gone and them having the record for nearly a decade there may be no incentive to give it a GO. It would be fun to see a competition for that record. Burkland's car is just as capable as was the Thompson streamliner. You put 40 percent in those Donavons and hold on :lol:
Tom knows what to do.
JL222
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Linda, izzat your brother Ed (Eddie) that came in and talked with me? That guy's pretty smart for such a tall dude.
Seriously - I'm quite interested in what Roger and team are doing. I'll start paying attention. BTW, Eddie said he's go to the Landracing.com Forum and start a build diary so we can see what's going on. Great stuff!!
Thanks for the donation, too. :wink:
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Although Ed is pretty darn smart, and tall I don't think that was him. Didn't sound like him, but I can't get a hold of him so who knows. I still don't understand this weighing thing??? We shall see...
You're more than welcome for the donation. I just might volunteer next year :-D
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Electric vehicles are classed by total weight. Under 500 kg, 501-1000 kg, and over 1000 kg. We can suppose that the rule was created when lead-acid batteries were the only candidates and weight of the battery was closely correlated to electrical (kWh) capacity.
Nowadays with the high-zoot battery designs and chemistries I can see the class structure might need re-evaluation to find other ways to define class boundaries.
Ask Roger. He might have far better information than I've offered.
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That's right Jon - at least for electrics running at SCTA-BNI or USFRA meets. But the FIA has split them up even further, with 13 classes (all by weight) for electrics, turbines, etc.
Jeff in Boise
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I bet as soon as the railroad train gets to a curve, one of those cars will pull out of line to pass. (This comment will only make some sense to those that were listening to the live stream)
Thanks so much for all your hard work Slim. You have made my week. It must be even more difficult doing the broadcast with a bad wrist. My wife thinks you are a born radio announcer. Just the right voice for the job.
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Electric vehicles are classed by total weight. Under 500 kg, 501-1000 kg, and over 1000 kg. We can suppose that the rule was created when lead-acid batteries were the only candidates and weight of the battery was closely correlated to electrical (kWh) capacity.
Nowadays with the high-zoot battery designs and chemistries I can see the class structure might need re-evaluation to find other ways to define class boundaries.
Ask Roger. He might have far better information than I've offered.
One suggestion could be to open up the electric power train categories to the rest of the classes. Rather than being lumping all ev?s into 3 classes, there should be EV3/S. or EV2/RMR. I dunno, something like that, we need to add something to keep the kids on board.
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That's a great idea! We can catch up with the motorcycles and have a lot more open records. Everyone can have a Bonneville record. "Fastest Red Street Roadster", "Fastest 82-87 Camaro (Silver)", "Fastest Mid-Engine (Either Front or Rear) Model A Blown Alcohol Roadster", etc.
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Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce Stan Back - the racer that manages to follow the very fine line between acerbic and curmudgeon, Mr. Stan Back.
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I'm with ya Stan. Just glad that SSS is not a closet Face Book cop. You'd be outa here!!!!! lol8
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Somebody listening to the stream wrote and asked about purchasing the audio - and I hadn't ever really looked. So I did, and here'swhat I wrote back to him.
Good question, Don. I'd never looked into the details of the archived programs. . .so I just did. I learned that you can very easily access the archived programs from the link on the home page. You'll need to select the event as a "radio show" and then enter the date you wanna hear. Pretty easy, and there I was and two more clicks and was listening to Ron at SpeedWeek '18. Free so far - to listen. Then I followed the button the purchase and found that the entire 6 1/2 hour file from that day sells for $5.99. I didn't check other dates - just tried once to see what'd happen.
I hope that answers your questions. Thanks again for getting my lazy butt moving to look it up. I'll announce it tomorrow.
Okay, yeah, I shoulda done this years ago, but since I didn't - have any of you tried spending $$ for some audio? I see I've git a little less than a hundred bucks in the account there - no clue where it came from. Lemme know if you have a minute.
P S: I would never think of busting Mr. Back. I value his counsel. Really.
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Jon, Jon, good job of announcing. You pronounce your words nicely for us hearing impaired. Only thing I would ask, if we turn in late we would like the occasional recap of the good runs, especially qualifiers. Like"if you just tuned in the Speed Demon ran 469 about an hour ago" Thanks for this site and your dedication to it. George
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That's a great idea! We can catch up with the motorcycles and have a lot more open records. Everyone can have a Bonneville record. "Fastest Red Street Roadster", "Fastest 82-87 Camaro (Silver)", "Fastest Mid-Engine (Either Front or Rear) Model A Blown Alcohol Roadster", etc.
FIM has done what SCTA could, maybe should, do. Cut classes. The dropped 50/80cc bikes from the Would Road Racing championships when 50/80cc bikes were replaced by Mopeds on the roads. They dropped 500cc Sidecars from the World RR championship when they became three wheeled formula cars.
(https://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/31/31/78/56275510.jpg)
Maybe it makes sense to replace flathead/four banger, six cylinder classes with electric classes. Hot rodding was originally about building cars from junk yard parts. When was the last time you saw a T, A, B Ford four in a junk yard? Tesla, Volt, BMW i8, etc should soon be plentiful at big city junk yards. Here in Orange County, CA the Tesla has become the new Toyota Corolla. The other day I shared a left turn lane with three Tesla.
(https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/win-or-sin-hot-rodders-create-ev-conversion-kit-for-muscle-cars-82491_1.jpg)
So why not have SCTA electric motor classes? Today electric motors are being swapped into Corvettes, Mustangs, etc.
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine :?
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Back to impound, from Instagram:
speeddemonracingteam WOW!!!!! We are off to impound!!! 🙌🙌🙌🙌 That is the fastest speed down the salt EVER!!!
:cheers:
Mike
Outstanding ...I'll be listening in the morning.
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Lots of records falling this week, so the salt must be in very good condition.
Lots of records? The SCTA website only shows seven new records on the long course for the first two days (Sunday & Monday), and not that many more on the short course. As for the salt, I drove it in the rental car. It's better than last year (which doesn't take much!), but not that great. There are marginal spots here and there. I talked to one driver who told me the reason for his spin was hitting a soft spot. I'm still waiting for SCTA to post the records that were set yesterday (Tuesday) morning.
Jeff in Boise
Quite a few back-up runs the past few mornings I've been listening. The salt must be in decent shape.
Is Speed Demon running 360+ in 3 miles on "Bad" salt ?
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Friend getting pushed off...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmKopxocmEM
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Friend getting pushed off...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmKopxocmEM
The Modifier Roadster looks a lot like the car Larsen and Cummins ran before the liner. All that's missing is the Racer Brown Cams logo on the fin. What engine/class are they running?
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One suggestion could be to open up the electric power train categories to the rest of the classes. Rather than being lumping all ev?s into 3 classes, there should be EV3/S. or EV2/RMR. I dunno, something like that, we need to add something to keep the kids on board.
Pavement racers ex. Loring Timing Association treat electric as another fuel type (G, F, E) and discriminate "engine" class using voltage.
Great stuff going on this year out there!
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Did you see the Got Salt story about Frank Junior? Loud car, too. And it's just an alky engine (Arias). Fun stuff.
The stream is up and the parade to te line starts soon.
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Speed Demon 470.733mph in mile 5, 481.576mph exit speed!!!
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Good Morning Slim
Here we go ...yikes!
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Speed Demon 470.733mph in mile 5, 481.576mph exit speed!!!
Someone post the timing ticket!
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:friday :friday :friday
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Weighed her at Flying J
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Speed Demon 470.733mph in mile 5, 481.576mph exit speed!!!
Someone post the timing ticket!
470.016 two-way average if I did the math right.
As for the slip, the Book of Face makes it hard to capture and extract images. So here's a summary:
8-13-20 08:08
Mile 2 297.268
2-1/4 357.941
Mile 3 383.168
Mile 4 438.626
Exit Speed 481.576
Mile 5 470.733
Wind: 3 from the W
Temp: 68.3 Humid 12%
Dewpoint: 25.75 DA: 5681 ft
Fastest piston-engine record?
:cheers:
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Speed Demon 470.733mph in mile 5, 481.576mph exit speed!!!
Someone post the timing ticket!
:cheers:
Mike
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2016 vs 2020
Seems to have made some improvement! :evil:
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Did they replace the sign at Lands End?
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Slim if you could get the ticket person to make you copies of the run tickets you could read them to us in your slow time.
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You're going to be sorry that I beat you to this. I'm going to go out on a limb and make an outrageous prediction. At a FIA event on good salt, 500 mph, NO WORRIES.
Speed Demon seemed to respond well to the lower corrected altitude (good air for HP) with no ill affect from the denser air. I am extremely happy for an older fellow that has been a hot rodder all his life and is realizing his ultimate dream. Congratulations to George Poteet
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"2016 vs 2020
Seems to have made some improvement!"
Is that comparing A/pples to AA/pples? I surely don't know. I do think he's taken fast time with a variety of sizes.
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re: post #118
John,
There is no rule regarding a spending cap on race vehicles. If you don"t like it go race hobby stocks.
Who is Burline?
DW
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Looking at Woody's chart and assuming that there are not aero changes to the car, going from 429 mph to 469 mph would require about 30% more horse power and having read the engine article in Hot Rod an increase of 30% more horse power is not out of the question. However going from 470 to 500 would require an additional 20% in horse power. Makes you wonder how much boost they ran on the 470 run. Still very, very impressive!!
Rex
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So how about Bolivia? With air that thin 500 would be a warmup run. Order those aluminum wheels on your way home George. :evil: LSL
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So how about Bolivia? With air that thin 500 would be a warmup run. Order those aluminum wheels on your way home George. :evil: LSL
Or Lake Gairdner - The Target 550 boys are figuring out the logistics :)
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I've lost count - how many +400mph runs has Poteet recorded this week? Astonishing stuff
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"2016 vs 2020
Seems to have made some improvement!"
Is that comparing A/pples to AA/pples? I surely don't know. I do think he's taken fast time with a variety of sizes.
AA/pples to B/annanas
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re: post #118
John,
There is no rule regarding a spending cap on race vehicles. If you don"t like it go race hobby stocks.
Who is Burline?
DW
Yeah need to reread before posting. And it was burland left out the k not Burline you need to check also. Just comparing cost and building your own car and engines
like Burkland, Teague and the Vesco's not having everything done and jumping in car Get it?
If not vote for creepy Joe.
JL222
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If not vote for creepy Joe.
JL222
Trumpers against Poteet? Is this a thing?
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If not vote for creepy Joe.
JL222
Trumpers against Poteet? Is this a thing?
Not Poteet. DW. Read the post I replied to.
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If they replicate the 481 mph going into the 6 mile on a FIA course in Bolivia (no worries about getting slowed) they have to pick up 20 mph to hit the MAGIC number. They picked up over 30 mph between the 4 and 5 in the heavy (5800 ft) air of Bonneville. The thin air of Bolivia (probably over 12000 Ft corrected) along with the ability to just turn up the boost in order to recover the HP would make for the perfect conditions. Kenny would have learned enough about what the big engine likes to tune it to perfection. One thing that hasn't been discussed has been tire compound. According to what Marlo told me the Difference in the Goodyears is huge. He would smoke a pair of Mickeys on every run but the Goodyears showed no wear after 4 runs. Speed Demon has Goodyears in the front so no brand loyalty. I think the Goodyears offer better traction and therefor wouldn't be down to the cord at the 3 1/2 mile.
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Looks likes eyres and son have qualified again in e/Bgr if I read their speed right on the results and van prothero (glad to see him back) in b/prod.....
It's also great to see the 218 XO/BGR with a straight 8 Buick set one over 170. Would have been unheard of years ago. They put over 20 mph on the old record.
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I've lost count - how many +400mph runs has Poteet recorded this week? Astonishing stuff
I make it 8 (and I am trying to keep track).
George Poteet has made about 50 of the about 130 runs over 400mph. Plenty of uncertainty in the 1990-2002 timeframe. It?s hard to pin down exactly how many runs Al Teague, Nolan White and Don Vesco made.
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I'll weigh (way) in on the #118 post if I may. As a person that believes I've probably gone as cheaply per MPH in two motor sports as any one ever has, I have huge respect for George Poteet.
You have to be WAY smart to form a team of employees in a business that makes you a success and enough money to race at a high level. There have been many people that have come to Bonneville (and all other forms of racing) with loads of money that have fallen on there faces. I can think of a few that are doing that right now!!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, George Poteets genius is in his ability to surround him self with capable people that get the job done. I'm a little shocked that anyone thinks he only comes to the track and just sits in the car and that's it. Not very insightful. More then anything I respect him for the fact they named a future king of England after him. :laugh: :lol: :lol:
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Speed Demon chute out at the 1 1/2. Bummer.
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When the Demon broke the diff. early this week , George was the lead hands on repairing it . He knows where everything is and why its there .. STEVE
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Speeddemon IG comment this morning as they were pulling the 555 to install the E motor was that the 555 had made 11 passes, 9 over 400 :cheers:
Mike
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By looking at Speed Demon's times they have not reached the full potential of this engine. They could try increasing the gearing until the engine bogs down. Then they might know it's full potential.
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Just so....
but I having a question....
could be that there are some low budget amateur racer also running on the salt....
as I understand.....without this low budget guys a Speedweek would be not possible....
but I can't see nothing about this poor folks here on that thread......
just so...... :?
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I'm so poor that I can't pay attention...That help? :cheers:
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Hey Slim,
I had to step away for a minute...well a half hour. Someone texted me that Electraliner ran again with a different driver...got 229. Is someone playing with me?? Or do I just have heat stroke :lol:
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Just to be perfectly clear, in the early 90's I built an alcohol dragster with a $25000 line of credit. Except for a Mark Williams rear end the rest of it was used cast off that no one else would use. Never bought a new pair of tires. Bought eight run used slicks from Walt Austin for $100. Even bought used blower belts. Won races set track records and parked my 24 ft. long trailer next to those huge semis in the pits and sent them home crying. I took 4 1/2 years to build an E bay and swap meet lakester that didn't cost to much more then the dragster. By the way, the dragster was 2 piece so I had to bolt it together at the race track after getting there in my 24 ft trailer. Not one thing I've just said causes me the least amount of embarrassment because I'd rather race on the cheap then not race at all.
I am in the brother hood of bucks down racers and proud of it. That certainly doesn't mean I have no appreciation or respect for some one who can afford to do it right. He also brings some much appreciated attention to a dying sport. The 2 or 3 other AA stream liners in the pits sure didn't do much entertaining while I was there.
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I'll weigh (way) in on the #118 post if I may. As a person that believes I've probably gone as cheaply per MPH in two motor sports as any one ever has, I have huge respect for George Poteet.
You have to be WAY smart to form a team of employees in a business that makes you a success and enough money to race at a high level. There have been many people that have come to Bonneville (and all other forms of racing) with loads of money that have fallen on there faces. I can think of a few that are doing that right now!!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, George Poteets genius is in his ability to surround him self with capable people that get the job done. I'm a little shocked that anyone thinks he only comes to the track and just sits in the car and that's it. Not very insightful. More then anything I respect him for the fact they named a future king of England after him. :laugh: :lol: :lol:
We all know that George has the means to do what many of us can only dream of, nothing wrong with that at all. What bothers me is that some here seem to think that the only reason he does so well is because he has got the money, which cannot be further from the truth. I can tell you from first hand experience that this guy would give any of you at the salt the shirt off his back if it would help you make just one more run when your there. We were in some trouble trying to get the car ready in the time for the return record run when George and Ron came over with their entire crew and said what can we do to help, never asked for a D*** thing in return. With out that help we would not have been able to set the record. I've seen him lend any part or help he has, if it will help anyone at the salt, Just the way he is. Ron was the same too. That's just part of the reason he does so well IMHO, he is the real deal when it comes to being a racer.
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I understand George?s entire cockpit went dark after he began his run this morning including shift lights. If it is true, I have no doubt with who told me, I have one more reason among the hundreds to respect Mr. Poteet?s ability to accomplish what he and his team do.
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Post from Electraliner...
So here's the latest....
EV WEST turned the motor down to 40% hoping I wouldn't get the record....but I did.....now after we all packed up and left they went back with different driver they found days early to take my record away, giving the new driver 100% power.
Incredibly disappointing after I designed the whole car, frame, and built the body plus a dozen other things......
Oh well, I cant fix evil
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Thats BS if they are treating Roger like that in the Electraliner!
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Huh?
Who?
What?
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Post from Electraliner...
So here's the latest....
EV WEST turned the motor down to 40% hoping I wouldn't get the record....but I did.....now after we all packed up and left they went back with different driver they found days early to take my record away, giving the new driver 100% power.
Incredibly disappointing after I designed the whole car, frame, and built the body plus a dozen other things......
Oh well, I cant fix evil
That doesn't make sense. If it's his car then why after he packed up and left was the car still on the salt and running?
Also, you never own a record, you just borrow it, Saying they are trying to "take my record away" is not really correct. You will always have the record and the red hat.
The meet is still on and the car still runs so turn that bitch up to 11 and send it while the salt is good and there are no lines. At least that's what I would want to do.
I would be curious to hear the whole story ...
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JR529 said: "...turn that bitch up to 11 and send it while the salt is good and there are no lines."
Here's more of the story. The replacement driver is Jim Hoogerhyde - the other guy nicknamed "Slim" on the salt. Anyway, he was in it for two runs this afternoon, the first of which was a qualifier and the second was a return run to back up that qualifying run. There was very little activity on the salt so the team requested the backup run today.
He said that the car was still accelerating at 240 or so when an electrical issue made him choose to lift. That's about all I can remember just now, so --
Further deponent sayeth not."
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I'm a little confused as well. Roger Hickey had some runs in the 170's on the short course. Then ran a 217 mph qualifier on the 12th. I guess you backed it up this morning, correct. JR 529's assessment is correct, unless you had some sort of contractual agreement to always be the driver / record holder. I have pictures of it in my phone and it is a very small and aero lakester car. It is an excellent build and very nice looking.Common sense often dictates you start out a little slower and shake down the whole combination before you turn up the wick. You sound like you got your feelings hurt and unless you get it straightened out with an apology you might not get much seat time in the future. :wink: :wink: :-) My advice if your not the forgiving type, bust your a$$ and build a car that puts them on the trailer!!!! :cheers:
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I'm a little shocked that Poteet's ability to fund his hobby was even mentioned. God Bless that man. It's people like him that keep the interest going in this sport that doesn't pay anyone to participate in it.
Going over 400 on a shoe string budget probably isn't prudent.
Congrats to George and his TEAM ... Great job all.
Jon C.
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Congrats speed demon team on new record. The length of the Burkland's record lets you know this is no easy feat, especially acknowledging where we come with engine controls since 2004.
No easy feet, but money spent by Speed demon compared to Burland would be a shocker.
Also hands on building.
JL222
Just a simple question about cost. Why does that bother people?
Hey if I had George's money I probably would do the same. And you have to respect anyone to drive at those 400 +MPH.
As far as hands on building and maintenance , you couldn't handle my thoughts.
We washed the truck and race car today. trailer tomorrow.
JL222
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Just so....
but I having a question....
could be that there are some low budget amateur racer also running on the salt....
as I understand.....without this low budget guys a Speedweek would be not possible....
but I can't see nothing about this poor folks here on that thread......
just so...... :?
my comment has nothing to do with George and the Speed Demon....
I wrote, because I read nothing about other racers and records....it would have been nice to see so notes....albeit for the once who has no chance to listen to the live stream....
just so.....
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I'm heading out there now, but I'll first tell you that this will be a pretty short day. Return runs (not many of them) then qualifying 'til 10 or so, a break for an hour or so, run the qualifiers and then be finished before noon. We'll see.
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I'll weigh (way) in on the #118 post if I may. As a person that believes I've probably gone as cheaply per MPH in two motor sports as any one ever has, I have huge respect for George Poteet.
You have to be WAY smart to form a team of employees in a business that makes you a success and enough money to race at a high level. There have been many people that have come to Bonneville (and all other forms of racing) with loads of money that have fallen on there faces. I can think of a few that are doing that right now!!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, George Poteets genius is in his ability to surround him self with capable people that get the job done. I'm a little shocked that anyone thinks he only comes to the track and just sits in the car and that's it. Not very insightful. More then anything I respect him for the fact they named a future king of England after him. :laugh: :lol: :lol:
We all know that George has the means to do what many of us can only dream of, nothing wrong with that at all. What bothers me is that some here seem to think that the only reason he does so well is because he has got the money, which cannot be further from the truth. I can tell you from first hand experience that this guy would give any of you at the salt the shirt off his back if it would help you make just one more run when your there. We were in some trouble trying to get the car ready in the time for the return record run when George and Ron came over with their entire crew and said what can we do to help, never asked for a D*** thing in return. With out that help we would not have been able to set the record. I've seen him lend any part or help he has, if it will help anyone at the salt, Just the way he is. Ron was the same too. That's just part of the reason he does so well IMHO, he is the real deal when it comes to being a racer.
That is a great story, I have never met George and all I have ever heard about him is that he's a great guy! Ron on the other hand serve what's best for Ron, looks like he was nice to you.
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I believe you're a fine judge of character.
(Which means I agree with you.)
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OK George has the money. Great but he also has the talent and the knowledge to get the job done. He gets in the car puts the pedal to the metal and doesn't lift. WHAT A MAN! I got interested in Bonneville after I read an article about Al Teague going over 400 in a car he built in his mothers garage. Again a man with the talent and the drive to do it. So he didn't have much money but no matter how much money you have you need the talent. I built my Trans Am drove to Bonneville made the 130 club and drove home. Lots of cars are faster and prettier than mine but I did it myself. Next year 150 club. The self satisfaction cannot be explained. Every time I watch the Worlds Fastest Indian movie the tears run down my face. Bonneville is the ultimate gearhead adventure. A day doesn't go by without me thinking about it. So do your best and you're doing it for self satisfaction
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So I figure Ralph Hudson after going down at 250 on his 1000 bike got a ride in the ambulance. Any word?
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Many thanks to Slim and everyone involved in putting on the event. Hope to make it in person next year. Every one have a safe trip home.
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any word on Ralph's muutt
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BONNEVILLE SALT FLATS, Utah, Aug. 14, 2020 (Gephardt Daily) ? A 69-year-old motorcycle racer trying to set a record at Bonneville Salt Flats crashed Friday morning while traveling at about 252 mph.
Ralph Hudson, a veteran racer, crashed at about 8:20 a.m., according to a statement from the SCTA Southern California Timing Association.
?Veteran rider Ralph Hudson, age 69, lost control of his motorcycle land speed vehicle,? it says. ?He was attempting a speed record and was traveling approximately 252 mph. Ralph was treated by medical professionals at the scene and transported by ambulance to Life Flight and flown to Intermountain Medical Center in Salt Lake City.?
Officer Matt Gochis, Utah Bureau of Land Management, told Gephardt Daily that the victim was critically injured in the crash.
?A helicopter met him about 10 minutes ago,? Gochis said at about 10:25 a.m. MST. ?He was in critical condition when he left the ground.?
Gochis noted that vehicles do not race each other simultaneously during the Speedweek event, where Hudson and his team were. They try to beat established records in solo races.
Gochis said no one else was injured in the accident.
https://gephardtdaily.com/breaking-home/motorcycle-racer-69-critically-injured-in-252-mph-crash-at-bonneville-salt-flats/
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Critically injured does not sound good. That means he was unconscious and injuries are life threatening. I am hoping for the best.
In 2014 I went down at over 220 mph and was severely burned in many places, broken clavicle, ribs, wrist, etc. Not critical but that was not a fun recovery.
I have watched Ralph's phenomenal speeds for a while now both on his 1000cc bike and his 200 mph+ 650cc bike. He is an extremely talented bike builder and LSR racer. He deserves lots of respect for what he has done. I am hoping there will be an LSR future for him still.
Don
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Post from Electraliner...
So here's the latest....
EV WEST turned the motor down to 40% hoping I wouldn't get the record....but I did.....now after we all packed up and left they went back with different driver they found days early to take my record away, giving the new driver 100% power.
Incredibly disappointing after I designed the whole car, frame, and built the body plus a dozen other things......
Oh well, I cant fix evil
After watching this video I would agree with you.
Tom G.
https://youtu.be/UZqhlcvI5vY
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So Tom, isn't it EV Wests car. Roger designed and built it and drove to the record but they have someone else that was licensed drive it to a higher speed. The fellow that broke Rogers record didn't have to make any licence passes. Was Roger paid for building the car for EV West??? I can't see the point in not letting Roger get a record especially if he got it on lower BOOST :evil:
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I'm confused.
He did get the record, and he got a red hat. Then he left. Then the people that designed and paid for the entire electric driveline (it is an EV after all) and who own the car put another driver in who has high speed Bonneville Lakester and Streamliner experience and went even faster. Is that correct?
He still has his record and his red hat. Why the crying? I honestly don't understand. What am I missing? In that video damn near everyone working on the car has an EV West work shirt on.
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Any word on Ralph Hudson ?
Fingers crossed and some prayers too.
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Post from Electraliner...
So here's the latest....
EV WEST turned the motor down to 40% hoping I wouldn't get the record....but I did.....now after we all packed up and left they went back with different driver they found days early to take my record away, giving the new driver 100% power.
Incredibly disappointing after I designed the whole car, frame, and built the body plus a dozen other things......
Oh well, I cant fix evil
After watching this video I would agree with you.
Tom G.
https://youtu.be/UZqhlcvI5vY
That would be just a tad bit disappointing. Just a tad.
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Unreal, a fellow competitor is in a critical condition, an all some care about is somewon spitting his dummy :-(
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It seems like JR529's responds is logical to me. During testing a record speed of over 200 was achieved and a red hat awarded. :clap He will receive all that comes with that award. If another qualified driver drove the vehicle the 2 times it takes to a higher speed in the same week in the same vehicle the record is his as records are recorded at the end of the event...
It has happened many times but perhaps under different circumstances. I can make no comment concerning the original driver since there are no words here written by him. Personally I feel it's none of our business, especially the Associations.
Currently I am way more concerned with Ralph's injuries than this trival BS
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My heartfelt best wishes go out for Ralph and his loved ones and I wish him a speedy and, most importantly, a complete recovery.
However, Jimmy I don't consider the current discussion trivial BS. Calling another LSR team "Evil" based on ones complete misunderstanding begs to be clarified. And it doesn't serve the complainer well continuing on in ignorance. I am still confused about post #177 by Wickedwagens just as others have stated. Hopefully, I can give a factual example that simplifies the issue.
I have seen on at least 2 occasions over 30 years, another competitor actually "give" another competitor a record. Let me clarify with an example! Two cars run on the exactly same record on the same day. Same class, same engine, same everything. Just two different car numbers and drivers. They both qualify for the existing record. They both have to make a backup run the next morning. Normally you start your backup run from the position you line up in the morning. In both cases one of those cars was substantially faster than the other car. In one case the faster car was in line in front of the slower car in the morning and would have run first. They would have set an average faster than the other car could reach and therefore the slower car never would have been able to get a record. I saw the faster car tell the slower car to move ahead of him so the slower car could do their back up run first and set the record. (A class-act of sportsmanship you see in LSR all the time). 5 Minutes later the faster car ran and, of course, raised the record. Both cars go to inspection. Both cars get the paperwork for their new record. The only difference is the record that is standing at the end of the year is the one printed in the rule book. A record is a data point you reach in time before anyone else. Any moment after that someone can set a higher data point. Nobody is taking anything away from you at all. You both own your data points forever.
The other case the faster driver was told about the situation and purposely lined up toward the end of qualifying.
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Seth and I had a similar situation except I knew he most likely had a faster car but had problems at SW. I had qualified at SW over 300 on 28" tires in direct but could not pull OD and got a 299.?? RH. On the way to WOS we happened to fuel at the same place and I jokingly asked him if I need to enter in fuel class.--His response was light hearted --"No not necessary, you better just back in that truck and make sure that you get there first every day". I made sure that I did. My 305.?? AA/GL hat record lasted one day. I think they wanted to set the record above what my exit speed of 309 was, so they pulled out of the backup and re-qualified backed it up the next day for a 314 record. I came home and started building a new car, I had to have a cleaner car or more HP or both. Hard to believe that that was 12 years ago.
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My heartfelt best wishes go out for Ralph and his loved ones and I wish him a speedy and, most importantly, a complete recovery.
However, Jimmy I don't consider the current discussion trivial BS. Calling another LSR team "Evil" based on ones complete misunderstanding begs to be clarified. And it doesn't serve the complainer well continuing on in ignorance. ...
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The other case the faster driver was told about the situation and purposely lined up toward the end of qualifying.
My reading is that one half of the team (and the original driver) is calling the other half of his own team "evil".
In this case, it appears unlikely that the first driver was even told that the second driver existed?
As related in various articles, the plan is to follow the Electraliner Lakester with the Electraliner Streamliner to attack the all-out electric record. Be interesting to see if Hickey Speed build that ...
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I'm confused.
He did get the record, and he got a red hat. Then he left. Then the people that designed and paid for the entire electric driveline (it is an EV after all) and who own the car put another driver in who has high speed Bonneville Lakester and Streamliner experience and went even faster. Is that correct?
He still has his record and his red hat. Why the crying? I honestly don't understand. What am I missing? In that video Dodge near everyone working on the car has an EV West work shirt on.
Why are you confused? Roger and his so called team built that car in 90 days with the intent on him driving. The so called team then set out to look for another monkey without telling Roger about it? Roger is a big part of the team and they do this to him? Are you still confused?
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Spot the difference. :clap :clap :dhorse:
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It won't let me have both pictures in one post. :oops: :-(
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My heartfelt best wishes go out for Ralph and his loved ones and I wish him a speedy and, most importantly, a complete recovery.
However, Jimmy I don't consider the current discussion trivial BS. Calling another LSR team "Evil" based on ones complete misunderstanding begs to be clarified. And it doesn't serve the complainer well continuing on in ignorance. I am still confused about post #177 by Wickedwagens just as others have stated. Hopefully, I can give a factual example that simplifies the issue.
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"Evil" is a pretty strong word.
There must be some bad bad blood there. Or the TEAM really didn't think all that much of him after the FACT
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Spot the difference. :clap :clap :dhorse:
If a picture is worth a 1,000 words.
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From EV West's Facebook page about 6am this morning;
During Bonneville Speed Week 2020 we celebrated a new class record on Thursday morning with an official speed of 218 mph driven by Roger Hickey. We ran the car as hard as possible before losing power during both runs, a common occurrence on Bonneville?s long course. In the pursuit of speed, the team tried utilizing a longer more aggressive pre-chill of the drive components and a different starting technique with lighter throttle inputs. We were able to just scratch out another 11 mph before losing power again. In Roger?s absence, the car was piloted by a previous electric land speed record holder, Jim Hoogerhyde. We didn?t limit either driver?s power. We wish it was that easy! Hot conditions and Bonneville were the factors that limited our speed. Land speed racing is tough. We will be back to try again. Stay tuned for our data dump when we return to the shop. In the meantime, celebrate Roger?s record and inclusion into the 200 mph club. Celebrate speed and always try to go faster.....
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In the comments to that post, EV West commented;
Roger?s top speed was over 225 mph during a licensing run.
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Roger Hickey them commented;
The car never shut off except one time when the 12v battery died......it would just get to 221 and slowly go slower. I drove the car off the track every run as to not cause the next racer anymore time waiting in line.
Either way it was 50% my car and I knew nothing of this horrible decietful plan. Why was my name and companies name removed from MY BODY?
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My heartfelt best wishes go out for Ralph and his loved ones and I wish him a speedy and, most importantly, a complete recovery.
However, Jimmy I don't consider the current discussion trivial BS. Calling another LSR team "Evil" based on ones complete misunderstanding begs to be clarified. And it doesn't serve the complainer well continuing on in ignorance. I am still confused about post #177 by Wickedwagens just as others have stated. Hopefully, I can give a factual example that simplifies the issue.
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"Evil" is a pretty strong word.
There must be some bad bad blood there. Or the TEAM really didn't think all that much of him after the FACT
That's why religion and politics should be curbed. When I went to the pits it was said to me, "this side is on the right and that side is on the left". Seems to be bad blood there.
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Is it good form to air this out on a public forum? What if the second driver had deep pockets and said lets give Roger his doe and let me get a feel for your power Etc. and I'll throw a 100k at a streamliner that will put less load on the battery and get to 300 mph. Hypothetical of course , but what if??? Like was previously said TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY. :-o :-D
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As for the Removal of Rogers decal and putting some other "sponsor decals" in a prominent location for the sake of a picture, is that a crime? NASCAR does it all the time. I've done it. Just trying to throw some people a bone for the sake of a picture in there office? probable a very innocent thing. Pure conjecture on my part, but trying to put a positive spin on it. Can't we all just get alone :-D :-D :lol:
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Speedweek update 2020. Im happy to report once again the flathead Ford powered Rons Hobby Shop Special {aka the Mistress wife's name for car} once again set a record. We had a lot of issues with the intake my son and I fabricated a long time ago causing a drop in boost by mile number 2 we used JB weld epoxy and blue Permitex silicone sealer to help seal things up the best we could. Doing this helped give us a strong 190 qualifying run when prior to that we were stuck in the 180's. Data still showed we were loosing boost mid run on the qualifier so we decided to speed the blower up a bit adding a couple more pounds of boost which in theory would help give us a top end push even with the loss of boost after mile two. All went well until the blower belt decided it was time to retire! However the speed by mile three was fast enough to get back in impound and the record. The salt conditions were outstanding I feel even better than the surface in 2018.
We all would like to thank the entire SCTA crew for putting on the event. The efforts put forth by the board to even pull off the event Im sure was overwhelming those of us who had the opportunity to run greatly appreciate everything. Since we began running at Speedweek in 2016 we have now set six records. Its a long drive home and we must now quarantine but it was all worth it for sure.
Now were getting ready to run at the LTA event next month in Maine our record setting ARDUN which has been sitting since 2017 is going back in the car time to run in the 200 range again.
Ronnieroadster
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Speedweek update 2020. Im happy to report once again the flathead Ford powered Rons Hobby Shop Special {aka the Mistress wife's name for car} once again set a record. We had a lot of issues with the intake my son and I fabricated a long time ago causing a drop in boost by mile number 2 we used JB weld epoxy and blue Permitex silicone sealer to help seal things up the best we could. Doing this helped give us a strong 190 qualifying run when prior to that we were stuck in the 180's. Data still showed we were loosing boost mid run on the qualifier so we decided to speed the blower up a bit adding a couple more pounds of boost which in theory would help give us a top end push even with the loss of boost after mile two. All went well until the blower belt decided it was time to retire! However the speed by mile three was fast enough to get back in impound and the record. The salt conditions were outstanding I feel even better than the surface in 2018.
We all would like to thank the entire SCTA crew for putting on the event. The efforts put forth by the board to even pull off the event Im sure was overwhelming those of us who had the opportunity to run greatly appreciate everything. Since we began running at Speedweek in 2016 we have now set six records. Its a long drive home and we must now quarantine but it was all worth it for sure.
Now were getting ready to run at the LTA event next month in Maine our record setting ARDUN which has been sitting since 2017 is going back in the car time to run in the 200 range again.
Ronnieroadster
Congratulation to Ron and Ron Jr. We were listening to your runs on livestreaming and cheering for your team. Hard work and dedication pays off.
Dave Gray
Mechanicsburg, Pa.
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Salt... please do not use my name in any paragraph that would say or imply I said the word ?evil?.
Evil is a word I use to describe certain California and Federal politicians.
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Speedweek update 2020. Im happy to report once again the flathead Ford powered Rons Hobby Shop Special {aka the Mistress wife's name for car} once again set a record. We had a lot of issues with the intake my son and I fabricated a long time ago causing a drop in boost by mile number 2 we used JB weld epoxy and blue Permitex silicone sealer to help seal things up the best we could. Doing this helped give us a strong 190 qualifying run when prior to that we were stuck in the 180's. Data still showed we were loosing boost mid run on the qualifier so we decided to speed the blower up a bit adding a couple more pounds of boost which in theory would help give us a top end push even with the loss of boost after mile two. All went well until the blower belt decided it was time to retire! However the speed by mile three was fast enough to get back in impound and the record. The salt conditions were outstanding I feel even better than the surface in 2018.
We all would like to thank the entire SCTA crew for putting on the event. The efforts put forth by the board to even pull off the event Im sure was overwhelming those of us who had the opportunity to run greatly appreciate everything. Since we began running at Speedweek in 2016 we have now set six records. Its a long drive home and we must now quarantine but it was all worth it for sure.
Now were getting ready to run at the LTA event next month in Maine our record setting ARDUN which has been sitting since 2017 is going back in the car time to run in the 200 range again.
Ronnieroadster
congratulations Ronnie and your whole crew, I believe you guys where the only flathead powered car to set a record in 2020!
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[/quote]When I went to the pits it was said to me, "this side is on the right and that side is on the left". [/quote]
30 years of Top Fuel racing under my belt. I can't remember how many times it turned into this. It takes the fun right out of it.
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I used to have a dog named Cheeseburger but my mom made me get rid of it.
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Any news on Ralph?
JL222
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Any news on Ralph?
JL222
I seen a post on FB that the family would like privacy. :-(
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Speedweek update 2020. Im happy to report once again the flathead Ford powered Rons Hobby Shop Special {aka the Mistress wife's name for car} once again set a record. We had a lot of issues with the intake my son and I fabricated a long time ago causing a drop in boost by mile number 2 we used JB weld epoxy and blue Permitex silicone sealer to help seal things up the best we could. Doing this helped give us a strong 190 qualifying run when prior to that we were stuck in the 180's. Data still showed we were loosing boost mid run on the qualifier so we decided to speed the blower up a bit adding a couple more pounds of boost which in theory would help give us a top end push even with the loss of boost after mile two. All went well until the blower belt decided it was time to retire! However the speed by mile three was fast enough to get back in impound and the record. The salt conditions were outstanding I feel even better than the surface in 2018.
We all would like to thank the entire SCTA crew for putting on the event. The efforts put forth by the board to even pull off the event Im sure was overwhelming those of us who had the opportunity to run greatly appreciate everything. Since we began running at Speedweek in 2016 we have now set six records. Its a long drive home and we must now quarantine but it was all worth it for sure.
Now were getting ready to run at the LTA event next month in Maine our record setting ARDUN which has been sitting since 2017 is going back in the car time to run in the 200 range again.
Ronnieroadster
congratulations Ronnie and your whole crew, I believe you guys where the only flathead powered car to set a record in 2020!
Thanks Phil there was one other flathead that made impound the Marianis roadster. However ours was the only stock block in impound. Stock meaning the original Ford port layout six exhaust ports not a cut up out the top arrangement .
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Any news on Ralph?
JL222
I seen a post on FB that the family would like privacy. :-(
Prayers sent. Dang it.
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"Evil" is a pretty strong word.
There must be some bad bad blood there. Or the TEAM really didn't think all that much of him after the FACT
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That's why religion and politics should be curbed. When I went to the pits it was said to me, "this side is on the right and that side is on the left". Seems to be bad blood there.
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It being an "E" vehicle I just assumed they were all on the Left :-o :wink:
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It being an "E" vehicle I just assumed they were all on the Left :-o :wink:
I am considering an electric racer, and I surely am not of that faction. :wink:
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Salt... please do not use my name in any paragraph that would say or imply I said the word ?evil?. Evil is a word I use to describe certain California and Federal politicians.
Jimmy I'm fairly sure everyone associated the "E"-word with the quote by Wickedwagons in his post #177. We may call you many things but you most certainly can't be accused of being a politician! :-D :evil: :laugh:
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The E-deal -- who was the entrant of record with the SCTA to run it at SpeedWeek 2020? If it was run without permission of said entrant who registered it, can said entrant then petition the SCTA to have the record stricken and removed? (and thus nullify the record) No clue how to ask who the entrant was or the actual owner but it makes for an interesting valid question.
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The E-deal -- who was the entrant of record with the SCTA to run it at SpeedWeek 2020? If it was run without permission of said entrant who registered it, can said entrant then petition the SCTA to have the record stricken and removed? (and thus nullify the record) No clue how to ask who the entrant was or the actual owner but it makes for an interesting valid question.
Well, ... the entry list on-line has (for car 1100):
- Entry Name: Roger Hickey
- Driver Name: Roger Hickey
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Regarding the Roger Hickey entry............I was a first-time spectator at the event from Friday through Wednesday.....I mostly pay attention to bikes, but more than 'looked' at most of the cars.......I spent most of Sunday through Wednesday at the start-lines and usually could here SSS on the FM broadcast.........I was asked by one of the motorcycle riders if I could help a bit since his current 'crew' was leaving at the end of Tuesday.......I acquired a red bracelet and awaited the rider but never saw him......I was aware of the 'talk' that was given to Roger by one of the start-line officials after he did 192-mph on a 125-qualifier run.........On Wednesday AM the car was in line but the crew and Roger were having problems getting him fitted in the car.......appeared to cut away some padding and part of his neck-brace. I talked with Roger while he sat in the shade of a trailer and waited for the crew to tell him the batteries were ready for a run to exceed 175-mph.......Roger explained to me why he used spoked wheels on the front of the lakester and how the speedo in the car needed to be moved from the left to center........he also told me he had wanted to have a hand-controlled accelerator but 'they' (whoever) would not allow it. He said the foot-pedal was a long-stroke and did not deliver an even amount of power per inch of movement.......Only one person in the crew directly helped Roger into and out of the car......the same person also conveyed the battery info.
My opinion.........Roger was apparently the design/builder of the chassis and body........the crew installed the power components........I have never observed a 'colder' relationship between a crew and driver. I have no idea why or what circumstances caused Roger to leave the salt and allow the crew to change the decals and negotiate for a new driver.
Regarding changing the decals and driver...........I have close friends that qualified to run at the Daytona 500 for more than a dozen years, and finished all but one race...........that was when a big-name team had crashed both of their cars so they paid my friend's driver to be a spectator and quickly repainted their car........all after certain $$$ changed hands..........that car finished the race and was then taken to a photo-shoot for additional $$$ to my friends. I have no idea what the SCTA rules are or 'were', but I am sure something will have to be said by the event organizers.
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On the issue of money and Speed demon. You will never hear me cry about losing to money. As Dan pointed out earlier, don?t enter into top level classes and complain about money. However, you can never ignore the factor money plays. It doesn?t take anything away from the talent or quality of people involved in either end. The bottom line for me is that I went home because of the budget I run on. I didn?t have the spare parts required to keep running. Speed demon broke more parts than I did but they had spares (money) to allow then to keep running. The cars performance is a testament to all involved. The bragging about how many runs they have over 400 is simply that they have spent more money than all others. All the people involved are paid on that car. Take away the money you take away the talent. Most other racers run on volunteer crews. Kudos to George for supporting the hobby.
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There's one heck of a lot of us folks in the racing community that have been praying for the best for Ralph Hudson, and I'd ask that we keep up our prayers till he makes a full recovery.
I haven't heard any updates on his condition since Friday, just praying he's doing better as time goes by. If the Ralph or his family need any help with anything, please let us know.
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On the issue of money and Speed demon. You will never hear me cry about losing to money. As Dan pointed out earlier, don?t enter into top level classes and complain about money. However, you can never ignore the factor money plays. It doesn?t take anything away from the talent or quality of people involved in either end. The bottom line for me is that I went home because of the budget I run on. I didn?t have the spare parts required to keep running. Speed demon broke more parts than I did but they had spares (money) to allow then to keep running. The cars performance is a testament to all involved. The bragging about how many runs they have over 400 is simply that they have spent more money than all others. All the people involved are paid on that car. Take away the money you take away the talent. Most other racers run on volunteer crews. Kudos to George for supporting the hobby.
Dan said '' don't enter into top level classes and complain about money'' where did he say that?
He told me if I didn't like it go run hobby stocks. But we run blown gas altered.
I never said I don't like it . Just a cost comparison why is that upsetting?
Interesting to see if any A or AA blown fuel streamliners will be built starting from his record date.
Has Dan ever build a Bville car,engine, or owned a car?
jl222
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The new Flashpoint is going togeather
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The new Flashpoint is going togeather
Allright,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Now that is a bit of good news. Good luck to those guys.
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The new Flashpoint is going togeather
So is Doug Herbert's streamliner. I mean started from 8/14/20
JL222
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I agree completely with cost comparison. It is a huge very relevant factor.
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SCTA FB page has a promising update on Ralph Hudson.
Rouse
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SCTA FB page has a promising update on Ralph Hudson.
Rouse
We have an update on Ralph Hudson from his son David.
Ralph is in the hospital as he continues to recover from injuries suffered in the crash at Bonneville on Friday. He arrived at the hospital in serious condition but has stabilized over the last two days. Doctors will continue to monitor the situation closely and we hope for continued improvement in the days ahead.
Thank you to everyone who has shared their well-wishes and offered support, and we hope to share more positive news soon.
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Thanks for posting the update here, I wasn't sure how to do that. So I did the next best thing.
Rouse
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It doesn't sound like Roger and his team were too friendly to each other for whatever reason. No doubt there were words said here or there at some point that triggered this. I am sure they began the build on good terms. Roger removed his comments about them turning down the power on him and EV West said they would be sharing data logs to prove that they didn't so maybe in the end it was all a misunderstanding. However, it does seem that he didn't know about this other driver and if that is true then that is not cool. It may not be illegal or necessarily wrong but it's just not cool.
I think it's a beautiful car and they built it in record time apparently. I still think the name is dumb though. They should have named it Elakester.
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was there a new entry fee/and or new driver fee paid ? on the EV II shucsssss box ? :naughty
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It could be as simple as Roger and EV had a falling out after the record was obtained and Roger left town. EV wanted to continue, and heard that Jim had electric vehicle experience, so they asked him to drive.
I think it is very unfair to Jim for people to assume that he was hired prior to Roger finishing his passes.
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Justin,
The way I read what Rodger said is that we all packed up. To me that means everyone was calling it a meet and going home.
Tom G.
Post from Electraliner...
So here's the latest....
....now after we all packed up and left they went back with different driver they found days early to take my record away.
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I would just be wary about the story as it has been posted here. Definitely one sided and written to paint one side as the best and the other as the worst. The facts as described here just don't add up.
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Gentlemen, let me say this carefully but as a bit of explanation. I was on the salt and took some time to learn more about the entire 1100 electric car/team/driver(s)/etc. I did not meet Roger Hickey, but I did chat with some of the guys on the team. I saw them BEFORE the big hoo-hah. I talked with Jim Hoogerhyde, but then -- I talk with him quite a few times when we're on the salt. After all, he is the "other" Slim out there. Some officials got into my conversations, too. And my resulting comment to youse guys is:
Let It Rest.
I'm comfortable saying, with the knowledge that I have gathered, that it's not worth our time to guess, hypothecate, or pontificate. The personal aspects of racing are well-known to most, if not all, of us. Let's get back to bikes and cars, not personalities. Thanks.
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Slim, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
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Wise words Slim. As always.
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Well said Slim ! In the words of Rodney King ?can?t we all just get along ? AMEN !! :cheers:
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The 1622 F/FL car that looks like the Larsen-Cummins roadster . . . Is it? And why is it running as a lakester?
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No its not, But he made a home made body that's is not an exact copy of the original.
So they are letting him run as a lakester .
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Per section 5.A, modified production bodies are prohibited in the special construction category. It's moot, I guess, if they didn't set a record, but "time only" would seem more appropriate.
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But it's not a Modified Production Body, it's a non-exact tribute look-similar body that would be of no advantage in Lakester.
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The ultimate high and low in one run. Steve Knecum rode my bike 251 mph in the first mile. At the time, the fastest ever. He continued to thunder for two more miles but couldn't outrun the lightning. A strike at floating mountain raced through the salt and times for mile two and three were lost forever. The next year we had GPS but not the speed LSL
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Ralph Hudson has passed-on............He succumbed to his injuries last night..........Look for info regarding a memorial scholarship and final memories :-( :-( :-(
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Rest in Peace Ralph. Many of your records will never be broken, a tribute to your desire and skill. My condolences to his family and friends. LSL
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I sure would like to know what went wrong with Ralph's run. I know it was a side wind speed wobble but why did he go down? AJ Parker had a Tank Slapper wobble on bike 7709 Production Hayabusa at 190 mph but he rode it out and it slowed down and stabilized. I added a couple clicks on the Scotts damper and that did the trick. Bike went 202 with Larry Riding it. Just don't get why Ralph went down unless there was a mechanical problem.
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Sad news. My thoughts are with his family and friends.
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:-( Well Crap.... that news ruined my day...
Ralph was a good soul.... always a smile... he will be missed
GodSpeed Ralph
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I sure would like to know what went wrong with Ralph's run. I know it was a side wind speed wobble but why did he go down? AJ Parker had a Tank Slapper wobble on bike 7709 Production Hayabusa at 190 mph but he rode it out and it slowed down and stabilized. I added a couple clicks on the Scotts damper and that did the trick. Bike went 202 with Larry Riding it. Just don't get why Ralph went down unless there was a mechanical problem.
Rest in peace ralph
I spoke with a Bville worker today that watched Ralph's run and crash and he said looked like Ralph went through the traps and was turning out and off the course when the crash happened?
SCTA should know the details. Speculation here. If off course maybe from loss of control?
JL222
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It would be respectful to can this speculation. It could happen to any of us.
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If Ralph was off course in the non-groomed kudzoo I can see why. I have been blown into that also but at 206 mph. Learning from this type of crash helps all of us. It is not disrespectful. Ralph was a great rider. OK, what happened so I can prevent it if possible from happening to other guys and myself. I spent the week teaching two rookies. One got in a tank slapper at 190mph and rode it out by doing exactly what I taught him. He said after, "WOW! that was scary, I didn't let go, stood up and let the bike wobble underneath me until it slowed down and stabilized, then I got back on it!" fun to be young. It is not disrespectful to learn from crashes.
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For the sake of the discussion, I'm pretty sure that Ralph was on the course during the entire last mile of the run. I may be mistaken, but I was there and the accident happened directly in front of where I was sitting.
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A friend of a friend of a friend type description I received via text. Names removed:
XXX called , he said Ralph started on left side and was going to have cross wind push him to right and smooth side. YYY saw Ralph?s crash, they said he had a speed wobble entering 3mile n rode wobble thru to 4 mile were he went down. Sounds like he rode over some #%!@ ruts !!
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... "I stood up"...
At 190 mph? Tough for me to imagine... :roll:
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stand up at 190 means get your weight on your feet so the bike can't throw you off when it wobbles back and forth. Butt off seat but body not in the air stream either, :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Sounds like he rode over some #%!@ ruts !!
A question for those who were there.......
were there actually ruts on the course bad enough to crash a bike?
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Mr. Parker is correct about transferring weight to the riders feet (lower center of gravity) when encountering a speed wobble...........My experience tells me NOT to run in crosswinds of more than 3-mph.......When your plan is to allow for the wind to move you from one side of the track to the other, its a plan to go slow because you are effecting a curved course which is the long-way between to fixed points. I have felt the wind move me to the edge of the course (clipped a flag-pole) but more alarming is when the wind changes velocity such as when clearing the open area between the start and mile 2 and then getting into the somewhat screened area when passing pit-row.
I would like to know if either of Ralph's tires were 'chunked' due to de-lamination of the tread from the carcass.
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My point is that it would be respectful to the family to wait a little while before diving in to this speculation on a very public forum. I respect that you may have a different opinion about that.
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Thoughts and prayers to Ralphs family and friends. Bad deal. He was a great man and an inspiration to me. A true racer. Godspeed Ralph Hudson