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Title: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: 12boltracer on April 01, 2019, 04:24:29 AM
Hi I read about 13 custom Richmond 2.13 12 Bolt car gear sets made. Who commisioned paid it?

I forgot what mag I read it from, but I remember I believe was  a magazine in the 1990s and read that Richmond Gear custom made 13 sets for 12 bolt. 3 sets went to the person who commissioned paid it, and the rest thats 10 were spread out through the Salt Flat racing community.
I believe im in the right place to find out who can tell me it was, and those who have braging rights to say they own a set of these custom 2.13 Richmond Ring and Pinion sets.
Because I am one who got my hands on 1 used set of the custom Richmond 2.13 gears.
Thank you for any info guys  :-)
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: SPARKY on April 01, 2019, 10:44:49 AM
I would be a lot more interested in a set of 2.13 gears for a Ford 8.8  8-)
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: Dynoroom on April 01, 2019, 10:48:21 AM
Hi I read about 13 custom Richmond 2.13 12 Bolt car gear sets made. Who commisioned paid it?

I forgot what mag I read it from, but I remember I believe was  a magazine in the 1990s and read that Richmond Gear custom made 13 sets for 12 bolt. 3 sets went to the person who commissioned paid it, and the rest thats 10 were spread out through the Salt Flat racing community.
I believe im in the right place to find out who can tell me it was, and those who have braging rights to say they own a set of these custom 2.13 Richmond Ring and Pinion sets.
Because I am one who got my hands on 1 used set of the custom Richmond 2.13 gears.
Thank you for any info guys  :-)

There were 25 sets made. John Linginfelter had them made. You could check with Gary Eakers if you are trying to find a set as John is no longer with us.
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: desotoman on April 01, 2019, 01:50:39 PM
Someone has had a set for sale on ebay for quite awhile. Is that the set you bought?

Tom G.
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: 12boltracer on April 01, 2019, 10:41:56 PM
Yes im the ebay buyer of the Richmond 2.13
They belonged to Racer Al Teague (Spirit of 76 (speed o motive) 400+mph record holder

In messaging the seller asking about where this set came from. It was his son, Im selling them for pops(Al Teague)

I paid alot of loot for them, not knowing I would have the honor that - Al Teague was the previous owner.

Going to a good home. Racer who worked at Baldwin Motion Performance in New York, and will be going in a
Chevelle Super Sport in Manhattan.
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: 12boltracer on April 03, 2019, 05:33:57 AM
I checked the teeth its a 32 ring 15 tooth pinion. The Ring gear has a Richmond stanp on the side of the gear
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: kiwi belly tank on April 03, 2019, 10:00:30 PM
We got those gears back in early 91 & I remember Al payed an arm & a leg for them but that was the only option we had for more speed. If there was two sets I would have taken them. Todd has been taking care of selling of Betsy parts & he is actually Jane's son.
  Sid.
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: Stainless1 on April 03, 2019, 11:06:31 PM
Well there's a Chevelle SS that won't be burning any rubber on the streets of Manhattan... it won't be quick but it should be fast
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: 12boltracer on April 04, 2019, 08:01:16 AM
Thats right, it was very early 90s I read about the 2.13 Todd is a good guy. I really want to remember what magazine I read it from. ill look at covers of back issues and just buy the ones I bought in early 90s. I also have 2.56 and should see the guys face like wtf when i wave bye speeding by him in low rpm, the engine saying - let me know when you really want to go fast :)
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on April 04, 2019, 08:25:38 PM
What size wheels and tires are you going to run on the Chevelle?
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: 12boltracer on April 04, 2019, 09:57:25 PM
Ideal is set of tires for ZR1 corvette to handle the high speed. But for regular highway I have tall 30 inch van tires saves gas and low rpm in a gas guzling V8
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: SPARKY on April 04, 2019, 10:28:36 PM
If you can pull 2.13 no wonder your eng. guzzles gas
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: Ron Gibson on April 04, 2019, 11:53:51 PM
Kind of a catch 22 problem. Highway speed at low rpm needs RV cam or even less, RV cam means low power, not enough to go fast but MAYBE higher mileage. High HP cam means not enough power to get out of it's own tracks at low rpm, that's why long track roundy-rounders need to spin tires to get going. A little tough going from light to light with 7000 rpm launches. 4000 rpm = 167 mph, how fast do you want to go on the street, that's only about half or less of the rpm available to a really high hp engine. A cam needs to operate in it's designed range to get efficiency = mileage. Recommend going to "Spicer speed calculator" and play with some their toys.

Ron
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: 12boltracer on April 05, 2019, 07:27:11 AM
its not about the get up and go at the light with high gears, its when you get going your gone. Theyre not drag race gears, they are top speed gears. But we know that right? Thats why im here.
I still put a 2 series posi and have 2.56 gears still can hit 200+ with them.
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: 12boltracer on April 05, 2019, 07:33:41 AM
The only 2.13 and 2.29 ring and pinion GM that I found was from 10 bolt 7.5 inch say can go in a 93 up Trans Am or Camarro
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: jimmy six on April 05, 2019, 10:42:34 AM
Ford 8.8's have a 2.26 if you can fine one
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: SPARKY on April 05, 2019, 01:25:08 PM
the 2.26 were in Ford 8.5 rears but can be made to work in a 8.8  that is what we are running now in our 8.8
the Caddy 10-12 has 8 7/8 2.28 gears
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: 12boltracer on April 07, 2019, 07:36:46 AM
The GM auto transmissions can be swaped to overdrive trannys. I took out a TH400 and put a TH200r4 from a grand national. Same size as a TH350 and has the th400 crossmember mount position so you just bolt it in and use a TH350 driveshaft.
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: 12boltracer on April 09, 2019, 10:37:30 PM
Michael Lefevers, did you use the 2.13 richmond gears in the 92 trans am?
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: Dynoroom on April 10, 2019, 02:45:24 PM
Michael Lefevers, did you use the 2.13 richmond gears in the 92 trans am?

Yes  8-)
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: 12boltracer on April 14, 2019, 12:38:50 PM
Thats great Michael. Those 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears could have made the difference of going 304mph and only going 299mph. Im very happy you broke the 300 barrier in a door slamer.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: 12boltracer on April 28, 2019, 11:09:33 AM
I have a blog creating about the custom Richmond 2.13 gears featuring my used set coming from Al Teague, Betsy Spirit of 76.
and featuring pic of Michael LeFevers 300mph door slammer 92 Trans Am that used custom Richmond 2.13 gears for 12bolt car.

Also featuring that it was John Lingenfelter in the early 90s who Contacted Richmond gear and was 25 sets made. Thanks Michael for your input.

The mag article about the 2.13 is not in the internet so im searching for which performance magazine it was.
Blog has Pics of the 2.13, the gm2.14, 2.28, 2.29,  and ford 2.47

If theres anything suggestions to improve this blog or more featured racers using ahigh gear on their car the gear ratio and pic of ther car, id consider it to go on this blog. Its for educational also people learning how the gears play a part in top speed runs.



https://landspeedracing.blogspot.com/2019/03/200-mph-landspeed-ring-and-pinion-salt.html?m=1
Title: Re: Looking for who paid for the custom 2.13 12bolt Richmond gears
Post by: jfr757 on April 29, 2019, 10:30:07 AM
I don’t know very much about them, but I think the Kugels have 2 sets, Dave McDonald has 1 set, I have one set and John Raines has 1 set

Don’t know where the rest are.  I heard they were created for the 4 cylinder Olds Aero streamliner

Jack Rogers


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