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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => 2017 and before: SW & WF => SpeedWeek 2016 => Topic started by: entropy on May 17, 2016, 11:10:33 AM
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Somebody please point me to the thread where folks are yakking about how the salt is shaping up for 2016?
TFA lakester is ready, we have reservations at Montego Bay, waiting for August.
Salt speculation remains...
Karl
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I read a post on Spankbook a few weeks ago that said something about only 3/4" of "good" salt. It did rain after that though.
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calkins,
that's exactly the kinda thing i like to hear.
Then TFA can sit around the campfire, drink box wine and speculate endlessly
alternatively
i can pull down my engine and put it back together again :-D
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Big meeting w/all the players at the university today.
DW
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And it's open to the public and the media -- after all. At first the meeting was to be closed door but BLM changed the rules to allow everyone in.
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Yeah, yesterday so you could have your plans in plenty of time.
DW
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So the BLM had a moment did they?
I'd-a gone down there if I knew it was open to the pee-on's.
I'm interested to hear if there's anything worth hearing! :roll:
Sid.
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So the BLM had a moment did they?
I'd-a gone down there if I knew it was open to the pee-on's.
I'm interested to hear if there's anything worth hearing! :roll:
Sid.
kiwiBT
don't you make jaunts now and again down to see how Mr is progressing in his recovery from his sad 2015 illness? Observations? Guesses?
Any thoughts?
Karl
BTW: I have high appreciation and full confidence in the talents of the great group of people who are actively engaged in long-term salt saving.
But the near-term condition is also very "interesting" to me :cheers:
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While they were in the area, did anyone swing by to check out the condition of that salt? Drying out? Still under water? :?
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There is about 4 or 5 inches of water on the lake bed,more rain coming.
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There is about 4 or 5 inches of water on the lake bed,more rain coming.
Glen, is that normal in May?
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There is no normal.
That's not too much to go away in 3 months.
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There is no normal.
That's not too much to go away in 3 months.
Thanks Stan. I'm a bit far away for me to pop up to Utah and take a look.
It's been raining like a MF (mo-fo, not what you are thinking) here in Texas this spring and i was hoping it wasn't doing the same thing in Wendover
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Once it dries out I'll go down & repeat what I showed you last year so we can all see if there is any difference.
Sid.
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Looking forward to what you find Sid...
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Thanks, Sid, for what you're doing. While the "powers that be" might require that their methods be used for any data gathering -- your work is telling us the story - soon to be the ongoing story -- without lotsa blather and obfuscation.
Thanks!
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Sid
Make sure your probe is at least 3' long so you can get through all the dust that's covering the feet of salt that's there (TIC) Waiting for your report.
Ron
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"It's been raining like a MF . . ."
I thought you meant Monday thru Friday.
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Nope, it's a bike class designation - for Modified/Fuel.
Right :?
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I went down 3ft last time, I was thinking I might go down 6ft this time to see if I can get through all the Bull$hit! :evil:
The rain has set in down wind from there right now, not a good sign.
Sid.
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I have had a few offers from people to help with my expenses for another Bonneville testing trip that I'll do when the water goes down & I appreciate that.
This forum is my voice & yours, so if you want to help, donate to the forum to keep it alive.
We the pee-on's here on this forum might have some goofy ideas at times but that's our nature..... god! look at some of the vehicles we build. :mrgreen: :-o
Even the proclaimed High Muckymuck's come here.
Sid.
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Sid, Let me know when you are going to make the trip and what I need to bring.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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That's what I want to hear, reinforcements! :cheers:
When the time is right I'll post it up so anybody who wants to come along can.
Sid.
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I'm in Wells, Nevada (about 60 miles west of Wendover) right now,
on a trip from California to Montana. Unfortunately, my route to
Montana doesn't include going through Wendover.
But on the way back, I plan to stop at Bonneville to have a quick peek.
I'll report on what I observe. It's likely to happen in about a week.
tallguy
(from Northern California)
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I know you're trying to be helpful, but what it looks like in May has almost no bearing on what it presents in August.
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Stan, give 'em some support for sampling anytime. That is -- a string of samples taken every year on ANY date will (eventually) give useful data that can be analysed with samples from other dates - making some kind of conclusion-drawing that much more likely to be correct.
Hunh? What'd I say? :?
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I thought Stan was referring to Tallguy's post. It's true that the condition of the salt now has no relationship to its condition in August other than if there is a noticeable lack of salt where there may be no water. At this time standing water is most likely.
Pete
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Tallguy, Are you cruising down I-90 in Montana? If you come by Columbus I'm only a short detour off of the Interstate and the beer is cold.
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Are the pumps still running? :? :? :?
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Are the pumps still running? :? :? :?
I don't think they have been running for some time now...
(http://1fatgmc.com/car/misc-pics-1/16%20-%20April%20Norris%20Salt-1.jpg)
... the picture above was taken by Norris, who runs Bonneville, on his way to Calif. about a month ago. Hooley sent it to me. It is just the end of the road area so doesn't show much for where the courses are. Things I've heard from my 'club reports' indicate there is salt to about the 3. Things don't look good at the moment past the 3. It will be interesting to see what Sid finds on his trip there,
Sumner
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Hughie is ringin out the clouds here & I'm about 100 miles down wind.
Keep the eyeball reports coming.
Sid.
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Im With,, Please, keep the Eyeball Reports coming ! Anything else is just speculation !!!
DRW
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Hi, all. I agree that what the salt looks like about now has little bearing
on how it will look several months from now. But here's my report anyway:
I was there on 5/25/16, late in the day, on my way back from Montana,
headed to California.
The salt was wet, but it didn't appear (from land's end) to be a lake
several -- or even an inch deep (at that location). I didn't see any
tire tracks at all in the salt. I am very glad that it has the ability to
"heal" itself, even though that ability is surely limited by lack of salt.
The color was white-ish (very pale grey?), about the way it looked
the last time I was there for Speed Week, in 2013.
On 5/25, anywhere east of land's end, I saw no dirt spots or any
other areas that didn't look covered in salt. But it was mostly dirt,
instead of salt, on either side of the paved road for much of the drive
along the last 2 or 3 miles of the road. I think that it's pretty much
the way it was in 2013.
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Tallguy
EXCELLENT! That type of description is exactly the kind of thing i was looking for when i started this thread.
I understand that "nuthin' means nuthin' " at this point but still I welcome your observations.
karl
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Nothing really shows for the first few months and then close to the time
the real conditions are apparent.
We can't do an ultra sound of the salt flats.
FREUD
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I sure hope (along with THOUSANDS of others, I'm sure) that this whole Bonneville thing works out. I don't want to have a million hours in my streamliner then have to ship it to Australia, because there's nowhere else to run it.
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Okay, we are two months out from Speedweek, any updates on the salt? I saw where they got more rain last weekend, wondering if it is drying out yet?
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I'm planning a trip down on the weekend of the 24th. Anybody video & internet savvy want to join me?
Sid.
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Nothing really shows for the first few months and then close to the time
the real conditions are apparent.
We can't do an ultra sound of the salt flats.
FREUD
What about ground penetrating radar?
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I was there last Thursday.
Did not leave lands end, BLM was there and so were their signs.
One small puddle at lands end but other than that it looked liked it was drying nicely.
Don
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What do their signs have to say?
Sid.
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What do their signs have to say?
Sid.
"Motor vehicle use is closed at the Bonneville Salt Flats when the salt is moist or has standing water on the surface. Please protect the Salt Flats during wet conditions. Thank you."
Not a bad thing in my opinion, unless it keeps us from racing, Don
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In response to the publicity of the Canadian's hijinks http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,15871.0.html (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,15871.0.html) or is that normal?
Mike
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In response to the publicity of the Canadian's hijinks http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,15871.0.html (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,15871.0.html) or is that normal?
Mike
Your guess is as good as mine.
I've never seen them before.
Don
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The sign.
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Lands End, June 9th.
My apologies for the sub-par pictures, I used my phone.
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Salt27: That pic of lands end is very encouraging, Thanks!
karl
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It would be wise for everybody involved here to know what the BLM's interpretation of that sign is. While it appears to be pointed at the likes of the recent crazies in the bus, I don't trust the BLM in any way to not try & screw us out of Bonneville.
"If the salt is moist or has standing water on it". Think about that for a minute???
Sid.
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Hmmmmm :-o might could be a mud ball :-o !!
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It would be wise for everybody involved here to know what the BLM's interpretation of that sign is. While it appears to be pointed at the likes of the recent crazies in the bus, I don't trust the BLM in any way to not try & screw us out of Bonneville.
"If the salt is moist or has standing water on it". Think about that for a minute???
Sid.
Same sign and conditions have kept us off El mirage in the past when the course is dry and the lake bed at entry was muddy.
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There have been instances where the BLM folks have been reasonable, though. Diplomacy and politeness do work, and I want to thank Bill Lattin and a few other SCTA officials for making many things possible that could have gone the wrong way for us.
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This information comes from the SCTA Website, but I am sure most of you all know this already as it was posted yesterday.
Tom G.
Preliminary Salt Prep.Trip - CANCELLED
To All,
Shortly after starting out on the pre-trip this morning we received a message from
employees of Intrepid Mining who were on the Salt. Due to recent rain this weekend
there is approx. 2 to 3 inches of standing water on the Salt surface. Because air temps
are low & humidity is high, the evaporation process will take several days to begin.
Thanks to this information from Intrepid, we were able to turn around before we got too
far & we were able to reschedule our equipment rentals, which saves us a lot. So a thank you goes out to Intrepid for the heads up.
We are already working out details to setup a future trip (probably in a couple of weeks).
Also, a special thanks to all of the pre-trip team members, I know they all lost a lot of
sleep trying to get this done.
We’ll do it again real soon.......
Pat McDowell
BNI Chairman
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So in theory, with all this water, the salt should dry out nice and smooth in a couple of weeks.....
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So in theory, with all this water, the salt should dry out nice and smooth in a couple of weeks.....
Ed, I LIKE how you think!
karl