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Bonneville Motorcycle Speed Trials => Bville Motorcycle Speed Trials General Chat => Topic started by: clayd on December 15, 2015, 07:01:56 PM
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So I first want to say thank you to everyone on here. There is a huge amount of great info. Second. I need some help.
My daughter has set a goal to go after a record next year. I am thinking i want to limit her to the 100cc or 125cc class and I am thinking of staying with production class. We are still working on our budget but any info or guidance is greatly appreciated.
One question I am trying to figure out is how much it costs to sign up for racing (entry fee) I realize the other costs can be all over the board but any fixed cost info would be a huge help.
Currently we are thinking of trying to go after the p-p class or the p-pc on a xr100. Thoughts?
Again thank you all for any help and for just taking the time to read this. If we cant make racing work this year you can count on use being out there volunteering. If anyone in the SLC area ever need extra shop hands before please let me know as well. We have so much to learn and are more than whiling to get a little dirty to earn some advice.
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Does she have a drivers license?
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I would figure on $650 (entry and AMA membership) plus transportation, hotel, food, and a variety of miscellaneous costs that will arise along the way. IIRC BMST entry comes with one extra pass, add for additional folks.
Safety gear will set you back a bit as well....
Start reading the rules
Racing with the kids is worth every penny you spend :cheers:
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My son was around that age when he first raced at BMST. A 150cc Honda worked well for him. It was simple enough for him to do the build by himself.
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clayd... Glen's question needs to be answered first...
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This is under Bonneville Motorcycle Speed Trials and I think their rules may be different.
Pete
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I believe the answer to glens question would be no. 13 years old is to young to get a driver's license.
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Go to the homepage for landracing.com and click the link to the BMST. Root around till you find the AMA rules and look on page 15. She can race a smaller displacement bike.
My son's entry required a release form or two to be signed by my wife (the boy's mother) and me in front of a notary. They needed to make sure that both parents were OK with his adventure.
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No she doesnt have a licence yet but really wishes she did. Luckily for Bonneville that isnt needed. Being 13 she is limited to 250cc and under but i think for a first attempt for someone that is also learning how to ride this year my limit of 125cc will work.
Thank you for the cost info. Living here is SLC will help out a ton on the travel cost side of things. We have been spending a lot of time in the rule book and are finding areas that we will have to figure out.
Any recommendations on what class we should start with? We are thinking p-p but there are so many things we just dont know I am open to any info.
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I think that you should fully support your daughter's ambition to break a Bonneville record. From looking at the record book, it looks like the 100cc PP is a soft record at 66.7 mph. With a little tweaking, and if your daughter has a small frame, that record would be easy to break. As a teenager I used to go down the freeway at well over 70 on my stock 1967 Honda CL 90. From there with the same bike, you can go on to other classes (like the P-AF at 42 mph). That being said, the salt is not like the asphalt.
There should be plenty of used bikes you can buy for under $1000, do some legal modifications to carbs, gearing, tires, etc to make it go faster than stock. Are you a mechanic?
So just settle on a bike as the platform and then come back here and ask how to make it go faster.
Don
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One more thing on choosing a bike; Check the specs before buying to make sure it does not go over the cc limit for your class. For instance if a 90cc is bored out to 100.5 cc, it must go in the 125cc class which you don't want.
Don
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This is a bike I threw together for a friend's son , he still holds a record he set on that bike, He's a young man these days, and is riding a Kenny Roberts TZ 750 replica next year, so I guess he's "all grown up" now,,,,
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clayd, I live in Holladay. I have run BMST for a bunch of years on a small displacement bike. You should stop by and I will show you the way. May even have a almost done chassis that would work. 801-809-4078 Mark
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At 13, I was involved in the Soap Box Derby. Both of my grandfather's chipped in - one as a sponsor, the other with his woodworking skills and the use of his shop. My mom hauled me over to my grandfather's shop numerous times, and my dad rallied his friends in support, which led to my car being delivered to the race in the bed of a 429 CJ Ranchero - certainly the coolest tow vehicle at the race.
I was eliminated in the first heat, and it was 41 years before I finally was able to hang my hat on an automotive racing success, but I wouldn't trade those days for anything.
I don't recall there being a single girl involved in 1973, but there have been numerous female champions since then.
Best of luck to your daughter - this will be genuinely special for her, you and your family.
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Yamaha made a 100 cc twin that could really go fast with some good tuning.
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Leathers are going to be a recurring cost at that age due to growth, up not out like us old guys.
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I might actually be lucky on the leathers side of things. She grew fast. With that said she is now going to out grow her first set we have yet to ever get before the first race :)
Currently we are looking at a newer xr100. Any thoughts on running that for p-p?
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XR100 is a nice little bike BUT,,,,
Any old two-stroke with a pipe is going to be way stronger and faster that the fastest 4-strokes when you are dealing with bikes under 500cc…
Robert in California
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Find a Kawasaki Green Streak Scrambler - 100cc, 18.5 hp (guaranteed, with dyno sheet from the factory with each bike) at 10,500 rpm. Rocket ship! They owned the dirt tracks in SoCal at the time.
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Yea, I remember those. They had rotary valves as I recall and they were fast.
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Yamaha made a 100 cc twin that could really go fast with some good tuning.
Oh I just looked this bike up. That sounds like a very good idea. the Yamaha LS2 looks to be what you talking about.
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Just check closely on the displacement of the selected bike. Often times so called one hundreds are just over so would have to run in the next higher class. :-o :-o :-D
Pete
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http://motocrossactionmag.com/more-stuff/vintage-mx-bikes/classic-iron-1970-kawasaki-g31m-100-centurion-baby-green-streak
Good luck finding parts for these old 2 smokers.
You might consider my engine choice, the Kawasaki KX100. Kawi claims 27hp for the new ones ( :-o oh, yeah, right. maybe on a good day measured at the crank - maybe). We expect hope mine to be pushing 30rwhp at 14000rpm with more dyno time ($$$). They are easy to come by, cheap, go like stink and the frames can be easily modified. Plus they have a 6 speed trans and heavy clutches, sprockets, etc. are just a mouse click away. Avoid any with the common big bore kit mods that will put her into the 125 class.
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My son rode a 150cc Honda single when he set his record in 175cc Modified Partial Streamliner, Production Engine. This class no longer exists. We came home and we built the engine into a 175cc engine with a ported head, bigger piston and cylinder sleeve, a cam, and a more free flowing exhaust. About half of the parts were sent back to suppliers as being not what we ordered or horribly poor quality. I was not being fussy, either. I just wanted an engine that would run for a few miles without blowing apart. That little peanut motor caused me more grief and heartache than any engine I have built in the last decade. I do not like to write a negative sounding post like this, but this is what happened. No more little Honda hop-ups for this guy.
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clayd,
The small twin LS2 100 is not a good choice unless staying stock. It is very limited/difficult to modify if more hp is wanted. Parts suck, intake port is very restrictive, cylinders are all cast iron meaning more difficult to port, stock pistons are cast not forged. Now the real problem is the crank and very few of us have the proper tools to rebuild it, rod top eyes are not drilled for oiling etc. I have done a couple of these and probably still have stuff floating around but its a bad choice unless you insist on it, yes it can be made fast but take Sofadrivers advice, the KX is modern and parts of good quality are availble, its water-cooled, modern day tuners know the engine so you have a choice of builders if you want more. With all that said I know if a couple people read this they will think I went off my rocker because they know I am a Yamaha guy. lol
Good luck and good on ya getting that little gal on the salt.
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The minimum age for a rider is 12 years. A rider must be 14 years or older to ride motorcycles above 250cc. The age of the rider is determined as of the date of the meet. All minors shall complete the minor release form, signed by BOTH parents/guardians with their medical and entry forms. No rider under the legal age of majority may compete without the written consent (signature on the liability release and entry forms) of his/her parents or legal guardians present at the meet. An authorized adult acting on behalf of the parent or legal guardian shall provide a notarized statement indicating they have the authority by the parent or legal guardian to be responsible for the minor during the meet.
What bike number would she like?
See you on the Salt,
Linnea
BMST Registration
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I agree with sofadriver and others that a modern 2 stroke will be much easier to make power with. The KX100 sounds like a good possibility. There are some surprisingly powerful 125 street bikes distributed in Europe and some in the US. Brands like Cagiva and Apilia are in the record books for their 125cc street bikes. Some of these manufacturers may make 100cc versions of these little two stroke screamers. Looking around Ebay in US, UK, Canada can really open up a new world. For something even faster, many Honda RS125s (actual GP race bikes) have been parted out and the engines are for sale quite reasonable if you know where to look.
Look carefully at the rules for production class. Some organizations require street legal bikes in production class so this leaves the KX100 dirt bike out.
If your Daughter is not already riding dirt bikes please start now. Maybe buy cheep dirt bikes for both of you just to goof around on. I know a 60 MPH record doesn't sound very fast but if it's wet or soft (not asphalt) skill and experience is required. The old playing in a mud hole, doing donuts, climbing hills, doing power-slides across the sand is something I would hope every rider can do before they go for a record. That way when she gets her bike sideways on the salt, the way to correct is already programmed in from experience. Modern production 125 class records are over 100 MPH. Thats just a jump above the 100 class. Please prepare ahead to be safe and HAVE FUN!
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Dave, you are spot on. Now is the time for her to be riding
in the dirt. She will learn a feel for the bike that is so beneficial.
Any old bike will do as long as she learns the feel of the bike under her.
The reason that American riders did so well when they went to Europe
is that they had ridden in the dirt. The back end hanging out and then
later the front end pushing never bothered them. Then Kenny Roberts
opened his school in Spain and the world wide riders came to learn the
feel of a sliding bike. She too needs that experience and it won't come
in the first week. She certainly doesn't want to learn to ride on the salt
if she is in a hurry to get a record.
FREUD
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Dr. Freud, Are you riding a dirt bike to get ready?
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It's still too cold and wet in the Northwest for Freud to do any bike riding.
Mike
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If you should have to tear the motor down a 2 stroke is a lot simpler if you don't have real mechanical skills. All you'd have to do is take the head or heads off. The down side is the chance of the motor seizing under load for that long if the jetting is off on a 2 stroke.