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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: 2club on August 29, 2015, 01:37:52 PM
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COOK SHOOTOUT NEWS. Please read this entire post for important info. The formal Cook Shootout scheduled for September 17-21 is canceled because the track may look okay, but we feel it won't currently support very fast high powered streamliners. We still have our October rain date (October 12-16) open for the Shootout and will continue to groom the track toward that date for the full streamliner Shootout event right up till until the last minute. Current entrants please call Mike for updates.
In place of the scheduled Shootout (September 17-21) we will still run the motocycle entries and call it Cook's FIM/AMA Speed Trials with certified two-way FIM/AMA record timing available for sit down motorcycles. These are bikes that were already entered for the Shootout plus a few others. It is not an alternate or substitute for the Bonneville Motorcycle Speed Trials which were also forced to cancel. It is for FIM record entries only. We have been fortunate that the international course was spared most of the damage that
ruined the other courses, and while it also will not currently support a large event, we can accommodate the smaller group of motorcycles from the Shootout entry list.
Motorcycle streamliners over 300 mph will be able to test and tune one-way, but will not be able to run both ways for records because we don't want them coming back toward the highway at those speeds. A limited number of cars will also be accepted for one-way test and tune only as we did last year. Call Mike Cook direct for cost and signup information. 951 675-3070.
IMPORTANT: If you even think you want to get in on the motorcycle event for FIM we need your name on the list before Monday 8/31/15 so we can tell them who is coming. They may not accept last minute entries that just show up. Call Mike on the weekend and at least leave a message as we will update our confirmation list to them on Monday.
Some of the confirmed entries now include:
Al Lamb
Jamie Williams
Scott Kolb
Valerie Thompson
Leslie Porterfield
Eva Hakansson
Kazutoshi Mizutani
We will continue to update you as this unfolds and hope that the additional time for the primary shootout will help the bad spots on the course come around in time for mid-October so the big boys can run for records.
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With this latest news from Mike Cook, I am pleased to announce that the Bonneville 200 MPH Club will be present at the event.
I must stress however that the Bonneville 200 MPH Club does not accept AMA records in excess of 200 MPH for club membership at this time. FIM entrants can be assured that by meeting the criteria of the FIM and exceeding either a current Bonneville 200 MPH Club class record or minimum will be accepted for membership. The current list of motorcycle records can be found at the club's website, www.bonneville200mph.org.
Please direct any questions to my either in this thread or my email:
dwarner230@yahoo.com
Good luck to everyone,
Dan Warner
President
Bonneville 200 MPH Club
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Thanks for that clarification Dan. Racers appreciate the info and I will post it to the web site and the facebook page. We have received several more confirmations so the event is a GO at this time.
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That's great news John, see you thee.
DW
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:cheers:
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Dan Warner,
How do you determine classes for motorcycles that run FIM to be qualified for the 2 club? With the way FIM classes bikes by cylinders without regards to pushrods and such seems to be extremely difficult to transfer that over to SCTA/BNI classes.
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With this latest news from Mike Cook, I am pleased to announce that the Bonneville 200 MPH Club will be present at the event.
I must stress however that the Bonneville 200 MPH Club does not accept AMA records in excess of 200 MPH for club membership at this time. FIM entrants can be assured that by meeting the criteria of the FIM and exceeding either a current Bonneville 200 MPH Club class record or minimum will be accepted for membership. The current list of motorcycle records can be found at the club's website, www.bonneville200mph.org.
Please direct any questions to my either in this thread or my email:
dwarner230@yahoo.com
Good luck to everyone,
Dan Warner
President
Bonneville 200 MPH Club
Dan, think Dan already addressed that
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no that really does not address my question at all as you can have a 2 cylinder record in FIM that is an overhead cam or pushrod record. How does that transfer to the 2 club rules?
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NRHS, it is 2 seperate orginizations with 2 sets of rules. To clear things up, The 200 Club is not an SCTA deal. It accepts records from different outfits. I hope I made sense. :cheers: Wayno
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Elmo...I think NRHS is eluding to :
Bonneville 200 club class records and minimums are based on SCTA classes, rules and specifications
and are different from FIM
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Joe, I found a few other holes in my thinking, too. I'll wait for a "grown up" to respond. :roll: :cheers: Wayno
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There will be FIM representatives on site as well as the 2 club motorcycle committee that will assist in the classifications.
DW
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I still do not understand why the 2 club would accept records from FIM that have completely different classes than SCTA but does not accept AMA which very closely mirrors the SCTA rules. That just seems very contradictory to me especially when it is the same set of inspectors doing the certifications at BMST for both FIM and AMA records.
What am I missing here? :?
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. . . the fact that an FIM record-setter may be classified (maybe not to any advantage) in an SCTA class and break their existing record, too. That's why Dan has 2-Club motorcycle reps on hand to verify it.
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Sorry, I just do not understand the exclusion of the AMA records at all. FIM is as different from SCTA and AMA as you can get, but the 2-club will go out of their way to fit the FIM square peg into the SCTA round hole. Yet the 2 club won't accept AMA records which are almost identical to SCTA. AMA is a national organization, while SCTA is is regional. The explanations so far do not make sense except that the exclusion is a deliberate slap at AMA.
Don
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How many AMA records are faster than the eqivalent SCTA records? How many riders has this affected? Dean
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Sorry, I just do not understand the exclusion of the AMA records at all. FIM is as different from SCTA and AMA as you can get, but the 2-club will go out of their way to fit the FIM square peg into the SCTA round hole. Yet the 2 club won't accept AMA records which are almost identical to SCTA. AMA is a national organization, while SCTA is is regional. The explanations so far do not make sense except that the exclusion is a deliberate slap at AMA.
Don
The difference to me and this might be wrong is that Dan and the motorcycle reps don't go to the AMA meet and certify records there. If the 2 club took AMA records that might or might not fit SCTA classes then there wouldn't be the consistency that there is now using SCTA classes.
Dan and the reps are at the FIM meet and can see if a bike fits into an existing SCTA class. Not sure if he has been invited to do the same at an AMA meet or if he would want to do so?
There are other 2 clubs at different venues does the AMA have one?
Sumner
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The bike trials has a 201 club.
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Dan, don't read around what DW posted.... :| and no need to start what ifs and then what ifs until someone sets a record and someone makes a decision.... The 2 Club has history with the FIA/FIM and the AMA... Some of the records were set and some of the 2 Club members were made under the AMA sanction, before the AMA abandoned LSR.
DW will cross those bridges when he gets to them.
I would suspect that if the BMST wanted to pay the 2 Club to show up and certify that an AMA record is faster than the corresponding 2 Club record and meets the same criteria then I would guess they would. But I would not expect them to acknowledge an AMA record that was slower than their current record or set under different criteria. You may remember the first several Bub events and Jon Amo posting pictures of record setters that were in violation of the AMA rules, but were certified for AMA records anyway.... :-(
The FIM and FIA guys don't show up on their own dime... and they use their own criteria for records....
And yes, we were affected by the minimums imposed by the 2 Club for motorcycles... it took an extra couple of years, but we got there...
Rant over....
See you at the mile
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I think that Dan and the 2 club folks are doing a fine in policing the introduction of 2 club membership.
I may not agree with some of the minimums established for some of the classes, but that is what it is, and you either make it or you don't.
The AMA has been known to play fast and loss with their own rules, or at-least doing a poor job of policing their established class rules. The way I see it, that's the kind of thing that strips the credibility of an organization.
I applaud the 2 club for the way it has steadfastly maintained it's credibility and reputation over the long haul in strictly enforcing membership requirements. Otherwise what's the point, and what's the challenge to becoming a member? They are proving to be, not only good guardians for the 2 club's reputation and credibility, but more importantly, the achievements of past LSR competitors that are no longer with us.
I have friends that are no longer with us that were 2 clubs members from the early 60's, they deserve the protection of the credibility of the club.
Rouse
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To clear the air a bit, there is no meet where the Club is paid to verify records. As noted in the rule book the Club does recognize records set at official FIA, BNI, SCTA and USFRA meets.
To help with the idea of exclusion of AMA from this list. It is mentioned above at the AMA has had the reputation of not following their own rules and having faulty certifications.
I spoke with Delvene at the salt in 2013 about including the AMA. I then approached the 2 Club board with the idea and we decided that a 3-5 year program of observation would help us with the decision. I had at least 2 Club motorcycle committee members at the BMST event in 2014 and they reported back that there was no improvement on the AMA side. In fact one of them hide an easter egg tech problem on his bike and it was not found.
A few more events may show the AMA reps that the Club takes it's membership very seriously.
Dan
Warner
President
Bonneville 200 MPH Club
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So you're saying that if one were to hide an "easter egg tech problem" at an SCTA event and it got past them then it would completely invalidate the entire SCTA program as well? I find it hard to believe that SCTA is that perfect. :cheers:
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It's this type of arbitrary and capricious activity that makes it difficult to believe that the 200 Club is still interested in recognizing land speed racing achievement.
In most accreditation situations, the groups discuss the criteria, a testing/audit plan, and the overall accreditation process. That's what separates an accredited organization from a fly-by-night operation. The way the 200 club has approached AMA records, and the events that hold them, has been ridiculous. The 200 Club is a club. It's not a sanctioning body.
An unannounced 3-5 year testing program with secret shopper audits. No criteria, reporting, or discussion. As well as a belief that their uncertified secret shoppers are better tech inspectors and are better prepared than the AMA/FIM (yes, most of the BMST core are FIM and AMA certified) to assess the capabilities of the tech inspection and records process. So if you recognize FIM, you should recognize AMA, because it is the same people doing the tech inspection and the participants are playing with similar rule books.
Ultimately this comes down to one thing....
Dan, if you are serious about Land Speed Racing and celebrating the achievement of those hitting the 200 MPH mark, you would be looking at how to embrace the new members you would receive from sanctioned AMA/FIM record classes into your club structure in an open and transparent matter.
Otherwise.. it's just a self congratulatory good 'ol boys club that is more interested in ritual and than in the achievement of the individual pushing the sport forward.
I spoke with Delvene at the salt in 2013 about including the AMA. I then approached the 2 Club board with the idea and we decided that a 3-5 year program of observation would help us with the decision. I had at least 2 Club motorcycle committee members at the BMST event in 2014 and they reported back that there was no improvement on the AMA side. In fact one of them hide an easter egg tech problem on his bike and it was not found.
A few more events may show the AMA reps that the Club takes it's membership very seriously.
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I am not a member. Nor will I ever be. But I do know that a "club" can chose to allow membership any way it pleases. It exists solely at the pleasure of it's members. If it is important to you that you can become a member of said club. It's up to you to meet the requirements of the club. It always kills me when someone wants to join an established organization, and expects that organization to meet his requirements, rather than the other way around. Much like people coming to our country and then complaining we are not more like where they are from. Same mentality.
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I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.
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I am not a member. Nor will I ever be. But I do know that a "club" can chose to allow membership any way it pleases. It exists solely at the pleasure of it's members. If it is important to you that you can become a member of said club. It's up to you to meet the requirements of the club. It always kills me when someone wants to join an established organization, and expects that organization to meet his requirements, rather than the other way around. Much like people coming to our country and then complaining we are not more like where they are from. Same mentality.
Well Said. :cheers:
As far as I'm concerned the AMA is getting the recognition they deserve, ie none.
Rouse
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What has the AMA done to you Rouse that you are so bitter? Have you participated in a Bubs/BMST event and had a bad experience?
As far as I can tell they stepped up to the plate to sanction the only motorcycle exclusive LSR event in the country.
I myself appreciate what the AMA and BMST have done for motorcycle LSR racing and will do everything I can to support them.
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What has the AMA done to you Rouse that you are so bitter? Have you participated in a Bubs/BMST event and had a bad experience?
As far as I can tell they stepped up to the plate to sanction the only motorcycle exclusive LSR event in the country.
I myself appreciate what the AMA and BMST have done for motorcycle LSR racing and will do everything I can to support them.
First of all I'm no where near being bitter, in fact I'm actually usually fairly nice in the whole scheme of things in general.
No in fact I have never run the Bubs or BMST as I really had no interest in taking part in any AMA sanctioned event. That's no disparagement at all for the folks that work hard to put on the event itself, I just have never had much use for the AMA and the way they police their own rules and class structures, if any at all. Kinda like "run what you brung" call it what you want rule enforcement.
That in my view, is not fare to the participant that seriously build racing vehicles and honestly try to set records. If I put in the time and effort to go after a record, and take the time, expense and meticulously make sure I build to set rules and regulations, then It's only fare that anyone else that runs against that same record is restrained by those same rules and regulations.
Now if I was going to go run a "run what you brung" event, then that would be a different deal entirely. It's just not practical for me to haul 1,800 miles each way just for that. In that case there are closer Mile venues to go to.
The following thread should help give you an idea of what I'm talking about,
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,14400.15.html
Keep in mind, that my PP bike met all the SCTA requirements including production and sales minimums.
Rouse
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For those of us who have been alive and around LSR/SCTA/AMA/FIM as far back as 1954, know that at one time SCTA and AMA did work together...............in the mid 1970's there were some major problems between SCTA and AMA.............SCTA dumped the AMA........Jack Dolan took over the M/C'S classes (and did a outstanding job) for SCTA............from that time on "the good old boys" have held a "grudge" toward the AMA.........................What is interesting (as noted above) that the same people that do Tech and cert. of records for the AMA also do FIM at the BMST. The "club" will allow FIM over 200mph....but not AMA......If the AMA is "loose" on their Tech and record cert. I would think that FIM Tech and records would also be "loose"....
Or (Dan can correct me if I am wrong) does the "club" not allow over 200mph FIM racers from the BMST event?................
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I have attended both SCTA and AMA land speed racing events and have records from both venues. I feel I have to come to the defense of the AMA tech stewards such as Drew (who ALSO the FIM tech steward) and the others who are there to measure displacement and check for class compliance. I have had some of my record attempts disqualified due to their diligence in enforcing the rule book. I was not happy about that, but respected them for their preservation of the records. I will match their knowledge and integrity with the SCTA tech crew.
In my experience, there was no difference in how my record attempts were verified from SCTA to AMA.
Don
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The BUB and now BMST inspectors have always been thorough and strict when looking at my pile, both in tech before the runs and in impound.
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I am always amazed at folks who will disparage a particular organization such as the AMA yet have never even participated in one of their events. They just go off of some rumor they heard on the internet or something like that yet have no first hand experience themselves. Why would you even say anything negative if you were not directly affected? That just does not make sense to me.
For folks to use the Motus records as an example makes no sense to me. They followed the rules set forth and even made sure ahead of the event that they were legal. FIM routinely allows the same production criteria for world superbike entries.
Like I said, I have nothing but respect for BMST and the AMA for putting on the only motorcycle exclusive LSR event in the country.
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I don't understand what is so good about having an all motorcycle event. Do you think your bike will get cooties from our cars? Some time ago an all car event was considered. Because of the number of entrys growing. Seemed like a good idea to me. But SCTA-BNI decided to add courses instead. That way people who wish to gain membership in the 2 club, have a chance at a number of runs to work on the tune. Between them and the USFRA it seems as though anyone meeting the 2 club minimums would have no excuse for not jumping in.
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It's a motorcycle thing, if I have to explain it you wouldn't understand.. :-D
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This coming from a guy who owns a 2005 "street" Corvette that puts 550 hp to the rear wheels. :cheers:
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I am always amazed at folks who will disparage a particular organization such as the AMA yet have never even participated in one of their events. They just go off of some rumor they heard on the internet or something like that yet have no first hand experience themselves. Why would you even say anything negative if you were not directly affected? That just does not make sense to me.
I'm not going off any rumors, and yes their sloppy enforcement of their own rules does have a direct effect on others, whether they participate in their events are not, in my case not. However, when you have folks making record claims of similar classes, even if different sanctioning organizations. Then it's nothing less than fraud on the competitors not to enforce the rules and regulations.
So maybe it would best for you to encourage the AMA folks to tighten up the ship on class rule enforcement, which would have the effect of bringing credibility to their record claims, along with giving participants their monies worth to compete at their events. Maybe I should have my own amazement over you trying to fined fault with me over point out an otherwise obvious issue. I guess shooting at the messenger is easier than fixing the problem.
Rouse
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Rouse,
please tell us what part of their rules did they not enforce? I have not seen any proof that they did not enforce AMA/FIM rules.
it seems that you are mad because they did not use SCTA rules?
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Here is the AMA production rule:
A “production motorcycle class” is as “produced by a recognized
manufacturer”, and the public must be able to purchase a minimum
of 500 frames through retail dealers
It does not say anything about 500 bikes have to already been produced so I do not understand your argument? I guarantee you if you called Motus right now and said you wanted to order 500 bikes they would be more than happy to sell all 500 to you.
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Here is the AMA production rule:
A “production motorcycle class” is as “produced by a recognized
manufacturer”, and the public must be able to purchase a minimum
of 500 frames through retail dealers
It does not say they anything about 500 bikes have to already been produced so I do not understand your argument?
I'd think it would be a little hard to buy from a retail dealer something that don't exist? Maybe they are supposed to pull a rabbit out of the hat? I guess that would do it. Or maybe someday they'll be available.
If you think that meets the intent of the availability rule, then there's not much point in talking to you about it. You may go on your merry AMA way now.
Rouse
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There are something like 17 dealers across the country and they are available for sale so you are making yourself look silly right now:
http://motusmotorcycles.com/dealers
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So that's what this is about? Motus motorcycles? Don't they have their own thread? I seem to remember that. This thread was about Cooks meet. I am hoping Bob Dalton- Jackson- Mayer will be running there. That is why I am reading this thread about Cool's Speed Trials.
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So that's what this is about? Motus motorcycles? Don't they have their own thread? I seem to remember that. This thread was about Cooks meet. I am hoping Bob Dalton- Jackson- Mayer will be running there. That is why I am reading this thread about Cool's Speed Trials.
Your right and Mike and all his crew deserve better. So I'll keep any further comments on point.
Rouse
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I am hoping Bob Dalton- Jackson- Mayer will be running there
Not sure if you saw that cars ARE NOT going to be running for records at the event. Just test and tune one way.
Motorcycles only for records.
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thenav,
Pretty good post for your first.
Since you called me out let me explain something to you. Stated in your SCTA-BNI rule book, you do have one don't you, on page 198 it tells you the criteria of Club membership. The list of accepted organization records is there and it does not include the AMA at this time. The Club is not about "hitting the 200 MPH mark" it 's all about setting a record in excess of 200 MPH. One must first know what the class record is before one can decide if they wish to challenge it. I hope you realize that some records are far in excess of 200 MPH. Ack Attack at 376 for example. The Club is separate from SCTA-BNI and any other organization so it is our rules. How about your local country club are their rules for membership to your satisfaction?
At BMST there is a FIM representative on site to certify the records. The tech and certification workers are under his supervision and he can deny a record if there is a problem with the bike. In addition to the technical part of the event he must oversee the operational side, ensure the timing and course set up meets FIM standards, etc. I have absolutely no problem with Drew and the others who work the event. Take the time to research all the threads on the site that followed each BUB, now BMST, event in the past. You will see a lot of personal experiences that were unsatisfactory to the competitors.
Now that I have said this, how do you feel about the Loring event not certifying gasoline. No gas check, no sealed tanks, this came up in another thread today. How can they be sure that a competitor is in fact in a gas class and not using alcohol, nitrous or any number of fuels to set a gas class, Production record, for instance?
Good luck to you and I will be more than happy to award you your red hat when you set your record,
DW
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Hey Rouse..............you raced the Texas Mile...........did you set a record?????? Did they test your fuel....Did they measure the engine dis placement??????................Just want to know.........................
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I am hoping Bob Dalton- Jackson- Mayer will be running there
Not sure if you saw that cars ARE NOT going to be running for records at the event. Just test and tune one way.
Motorcycles only for records.
I am aware. However, there are still things to be learned from a test and tune deal.
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Hey Rouse..............you raced the Texas Mile...........did you set a record?????? Did they test your fuel....Did they measure the engine dis placement??????................Just want to know.........................
No they didn't at the Texas Mile and I didn't expect them to. They run more or less a run what you brung type of an event, call it what you want, but they do in fact have a very strict entry safety tech, and if it don't meet the standards set out for the type vehicle you plan to run, you fix it or go home.
I did run the same PP bike with the same gas that I ran at Bonneville PP, CVO Dyna, Harley-Davidson. That bike went 152.5 in the mile at Texas, still had Rick Golds gas and seal on the Tank.
It went 154.081 and 152.570 for a 153.325 record at Bonneville SW, and yes it went through the complete tech thing, before and after setting the record there.
Rouse
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So that's what this is about? Motus motorcycles? Don't they have their own thread? I seem to remember that. This thread was about Cooks meet. I am hoping Bob Dalton- Jackson- Mayer will be running there. That is why I am reading this thread about Cool's Speed Trials.
Well then sir, how about some Cook news. For those who are intrigued by the small displacement stuff. We are running our 'Special Construction Partially Streamlined' motorcycle at the Cooks event two weeks from now. We traditionally have run at the BUBS/BMST events, 6 times over the last 9 years but with its cancellation i am pressed to gather some more data as this bike is a test bed for my 125cc Streamliner. The motor and many of the current systems will transfer over this fall thus the necessity to get on the salt now.
Our current AMA record is 149.907mph in APS-AG trim. The bike has run as quick as 155 mph and will hopefully crack 160 this year with the help of the good folks at the AMA and the Cooks event.
It houses hub center steering, a 15.75 inch diameter aluminum front wheel, is 134" long, 32 inches high, 19.0 wide and weighs 225 pounds. It's powered by a 46HP Rotax-Aprilia motor. The bodywork has a C of D of .243 as measured at the A2 wind tunnel.
Photos here, https://www.facebook.com/kolblandspeedracing (ftp://https://www.facebook.com/kolblandspeedracing) you don't have to be a member of facebook to see them. if my feeble attempt of adding a link did not work the facebook page is 'Kolb Land Speed Racing'
A note about the AMA; They have busted our balls many times as far as the rules go to keep our ever reaching ideas in line as we walk a fine line between legal and not. I have the utmost respect for there methods and record keeping. It seems peculiar to continue bringing up what may or may not have been a mistake in the past.
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I was unable to find a rule stating an Easter egg was not allowed on the bike. Hmmmm.
Cheers,
Scott
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Hi Dan,
Thanks for clearing up a few things. I'm happy to see that you are happy with the operational and technical teams at BMST. I've always found them to be a great crew too.
I just want to be clear...
FIM and 2Club
1. FIM entries, that meet 2 club criteria, set at BMST, a previous BUB event, or at a Mike Cook event are acceptable for consideration for club membership.
2. The reason that FIM entries from BMST or BUB are "OK" is because that team holds the competitors to the rigorous standards of FIM by ensuring compliance with rules, and the saftey/operational aspects of the meet for FIM are top-notch?
AMA and 2Club
3. AMA records are being excluded from 2club consideration because of personal experiences being voiced on this forum?
3a. Moving forward, do you have any specifics or criteria for getting the AMA records considered for the 2 club?
As for Lorig, I've been wanting to attend and hope to next year. Since I haven't seen their operation in person, I can't really comment on their operational capabilities.
Thanks! :-D
At BMST there is a FIM representative on site to certify the records. The tech and certification workers are under his supervision and he can deny a record if there is a problem with the bike. In addition to the technical part of the event he must oversee the operational side, ensure the timing and course set up meets FIM standards, etc. I have absolutely no problem with Drew and the others who work the event. Take the time to research all the threads on the site that followed each BUB, now BMST, event in the past. You will see a lot of personal experiences that were unsatisfactory to the competitors.
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baron, great build! I 'liked' your page. Good luck and can't wait to see how you guys do at Cook's and with the streamliner build.
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Scott Kolb, I will be watching your progress. I am building a center hub steering bike too. Yours is beautiful and shows excellent machining and engineering. Good luck at the Cooks event.
Don
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thenav,
Items 1 & 2 are correct.
Item 3 is incorrect. The suggestion to the Bonneville 200 MPH Club was made by very experienced motorcycle competitor and head of the Club's m/c committee from the first BUB meet. This forum does not hold any power over the Club's decisions. May I suggest again that you do some research on this site and review threads beginning with the first BUB meet.
Item 4 The Club will continue, with Delvene's approval, with the observation program I described earlier.
DW
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I will be very surprised if Delvene has any interest in any further cooperation with the 2 club after this. Do you even realize how arrogant you sound DW when you say this:
"Item 4 The Club will continue, with Delvene's approval, with the observation program I described earlier."
The BMST is sanctioned by both the FIM and AMA who are the premier leaders in motorcycle racing in world. You are going to observe them and decide if they are worthy of your approval??
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Thanks Dan,
Thank for clarifying.
ThENaV
thenav,
Items 1 & 2 are correct.
Item 3 is incorrect. The suggestion to the Bonneville 200 MPH Club was made by very experienced motorcycle competitor and head of the Club's m/c committee from the first BUB meet. This forum does not hold any power over the Club's decisions. May I suggest again that you do some research on this site and review threads beginning with the first BUB meet.
Item 4 The Club will continue, with Delvene's approval, with the observation program I described earlier.
DW
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The Kolb effort is stupendous..!...certainly highlights one of the areas on rules allowances that differs greatly between SCTA and the newer AMA rules (new AMA rules adopted with advent of BUB meets) ...ie. the front of bike aero , the ability to have front fairing extend beyond front tire and enclose front wheel
Will be appreciating Kolb team efforts and all those attending !!
Joe
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The Kolb effort is stupendous..!...certainly highlights one of the areas on rules allowances that differs greatly between SCTA and the newer AMA rules (new AMA rules adopted with advent of BUB meets) ...ie. the front of bike aero , the ability to have front fairing extend beyond front tire and enclose front wheel
Yeah..........tell me about it. :-(
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The Kolb effort is stupendous..!...certainly highlights one of the areas on rules allowances that differs greatly between SCTA and the newer AMA rules (new AMA rules adopted with advent of BUB meets) ...ie. the front of bike aero , the ability to have front fairing extend beyond front tire and enclose front wheel
Joe
Hi Joe,
Thanks for the kind words. The AMA rules for 'special construction partial streamlining' allow for two very important things and it's the reason i made the AMA as our chosen path to building a 200MPH 125cc streamliner.
One; I wanted the current bike to be a development platform for a Streamliner. Anyone that can build a 'special construction' bike can, whether they know it or not, build a streamliner. Its a bigger project but it involves the same stuff, frame modification/construction and custom bodywork. So why not encourage the builders to get their feet wet in special construction with a clear view to the next step. It seems to be a natural stepping stone so why would you have the 'special construction' rules follow what are essentially 'road racing' rules for the front fairing dimensions? I have heard the argument about safety and the effects of side winds but if its really windy are you really going to run?
Two; The AMA rules allow for the fastest bike possible within its class, period.
The AMA rules mean that 35% of the current bike will transfer to the new streamliner having already been tested no less than twice if not more in real Bonneville conditions. I do understand a new bike is a new bike and needs to be sorted but having a good understanding of that 35% will go a long way. My plan is also based on budget so it works for me and in the end will hopefully not lead us down a dead end. Now back to laying up some carbon fibre.......
Whoops forgot to mention, AMA does not allow the front fairing to drop below the front axle. And if anyone was wondering why we place such importance on the bore and stroke that is 125cc magic this link will take you there; http://kolblsr.blogspot.com/2014/01/why-125cc.html (ftp://http://kolblsr.blogspot.com/2014/01/why-125cc.html) Again i have no idea if that link will work. you may need to cut and paste.
Cheers,
Scott
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Why would you think Dan arrogant? He is charged with keeping the integrity of the club. It is very arrogant to state that any organization is somehow more important or "legit" than a club (just because it is run by volunteers?) If the 2 club is not legit to you than why would you care how they run it. I have gone 290 just to pull my chute and coast through the 4 at 276 on a record return run. I only set the record at the 2 however so my record is only 212. This is short of the 260 min for my class thus I am not in the club.... Yes 260 minimum to get into the 200 club, but hey it is what it is. I understand and appreciate the standards to which the club adheres toand recognize accomplishments but also to not take away from others accomplishments.
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Thanks Eddie.
My statement "with Delvene's approval" is already done. My conversation with her in 2014 resulted in the observation program. We are one year into the period and I have not heard from her. Do you speak for her NHRS?
The reason the Club adheres to their by-laws and membership requirements is to preserve the history and integrity of it's members. It is often said "if it was easy everyone would do it". My personal story, it took me 41 years to gain membership and I did that by .851 over the minimum. I would say the Club hit that one pretty close.
DW
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Michigan guys on the way to the salt Sunday 0600.
Pending any phone calls, we are on the way tomorrow morning to attend Mikes meet next week.
Mercedes 300SL Gullwing 3.0L 4 valve Mercedes inline highly developed and proven. Looking for the last step to be ready out of the box next year.
If anyone hears anything good or bad please phone of txt me.
313 3198544 We are taking a leisure 4 days to make the trip stopping at the sprint car museum tomorrow.....
Hope to see a bunch of you on the salt this week.
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I keep hearing rumors about an upcoming Mike Cook event.
Here is a big FYI for those who may have part of their crews flying into SLC.
The major rebuilding of the airport is now underway; this means absolutely NO parking or waiting in the passenger loading zones.
There is a "park and wait" lot well posted just after (a little North) of the US Post Office.When the party you wish to pick up has gathered up all their luggage; have them call you on the cell phone to come and pick up.
The attached link may help those who are not familiar with the layout.
http://www.slcairport.com/pick-up-and-drop-off.asp
Regards, and Good Luck,
Jim
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Hello, all:
This is an update about the huge bottleneck arranged by UDOT East of Park City.
A slight improvement; not yet completed.
For those who might be coming out from the East for the Cook clambake (if we don't get more water).
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=36745098&nid=148&title=udot-crews-hit-milestone-in-43m-project&s_cid=queue-20
:-D :cheers:
Jim
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I thought the Cook shootout was off?
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Prepping for Poteet: https://www.facebook.com/CookLSS (https://www.facebook.com/CookLSS)
Mike
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Released this AM:
FRIDAY REPORT: 10/02/15
As reported earlier Mike Cook flew to Wendover to make a personal inspection of the track. At 9:00 AM this morning he reports that a storm completely flooded the salt last night and there is no way we will be able to accomplish an event of any kind. It will take weeks to clear, but we will stay on top of it all the way through November as the BLM have given us a green light to do so.
We will continue monitoring and we will try to make a limited use track available as soon as safely possible. We do this because so many of you have asked us to keep it up. One potential plan is to stage an event immediately following the SEMA Show. Some vehicles like the Speed Demon will already be in Las Vegas and thus closer to the salt. It could happen earlier, but that gives us five more weeks to gain a drier, firmer track all the way back to the highway like we had with the Buckeye Bullet in August. Weather permitting of course.
We are all in the same position as many of the speed pioneers like Campbell, Eyston and Cobb faced in the 1930’s, camping out in Wendover for weeks and months at a time waiting for opportunity. We appreciate what you are telling us and we will keep after it. Cook is going out again today to determine how bad it really is and we will post an update on that later.
Good luck to Mike and his team. Many of the LSR records in the early days were set late in the year.
DW
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I got the same/a similar email stating that the Cook event is off for the meantime - if not for the month. Bummer -- but maybe, indeed, later in the year thing'll be better enough that racing can resume. Hope springs eternal, remember.
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Seems on average 2 out of every 10 years is flooded or very wet.