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Misc Forums => LSR General Chat => Topic started by: sabat on May 05, 2015, 04:02:35 PM
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Hello folks, I've put together a list of what I think is all the riders that have been over 200 on an unfaired motorcycle at any land speed venue. I'm sure there are many folks that I've missed. I'm hoping this list with pre-2000 riders highlighted will stir people's memories and bring forth some missing members. thanks, Dean
Edit: Updated to 73 riders :cheers:.
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Chris Bryson and Dave Mclauglan (Bones),, Gairdner 2015 results,, 8-),,
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Got it, thanks Ronnie. I'm guessing that both riders are on Hayabusas?
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First one: http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/1970-don-slinger.php
This was my first Bonneville and I got to see it happen! :-o Terminal salt infection confirmed! :cheers:
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All the runs are impressive, but my personal favorite is Ted Gansberger - that must have been one mean 750cc Honda!! Does anyone have any info or pictures?
Thanks,
Dean
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First time I did it was in Jun of 1999 in A/BG on my turbo GSXR1100 speed was 200.343mph
I agree the most impressive of the bunch is Ted Gansberger on Bickford's bike.
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Got it, thanks Ronnie. I'm guessing that both riders are on Hayabusas?
Yes Dean,,
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Alex Merrell 200.869 in the mile at Loring in 2014 on a Busa'
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First time I did it was in Jun of 1999 in A/BG on my turbo GSXR1100 speed was 200.343mph
I agree the most impressive of the bunch is Ted Gansberger on Bickford's bike.
200 naked on anything other than a Hayabusa almost deserves it's own list - that must have been a fast bike, love to see pics. My first time over 200 was on a naked turbo ZX10R. -Dean
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We're up to 56.
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I remember the bike well.
Joe
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I'll always like those bikes. Pretty tough engines.
I'm waiting on some clarifications, but I have a list of 61 now, found some more in the AMA records.
best,
Dean
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61 :-D
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First time I did it was in Jun of 1999 in A/BG on my turbo GSXR1100 speed was 200.343mph
I agree the most impressive of the bunch is Ted Gansberger on Bickford's bike.
200 naked on anything other than a Hayabusa almost deserves it's own list - that must have been a fast bike, love to see pics. My first time over 200 was on a naked turbo ZX10R. -Dean
I don't have any pictures of Bickford's bike
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here is one of bickford and ranger in 2000
http://www.dragpixbypete.info/Bonneville2000/bickfordrangerracing.html (http://www.dragpixbypete.info/Bonneville2000/bickfordrangerracing.html)
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here is one of bickford and ranger in 2000
http://www.dragpixbypete.info/Bonneville2000/bickfordrangerracing.html (http://www.dragpixbypete.info/Bonneville2000/bickfordrangerracing.html)
Great link, thanks.
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One of the most impressive records on this list is Dave Matson's / 1955 Vincent in the M-F class. 210mph. Over the years he's set several records including a MPS-F record of 225. He said he was 'forced' into the vintage class.
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I agree. I don't think it's possible for modern folks like me to understand the extent of work and innovation that went in to bikes in that era. Maybe Bill Warner.
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Thanks for the pic. That looks like a very early version of Dave's bike. His 2000cc records were set when there was no 1650cc class, and his engine was less than 1650. Now he has a true 2000cc class sized motor, but I don't know the exact displacement. I hope the extra displacement will get Dave close or over the 250 MPH barrier. When the 1650cc and vintage classes were added, and the records were therefore open, Dave could have set the record on a few occasions at lower speeds compared to his existing records, while sorting out the tweaks to the bike, but since he is still developing the same bike, his own personal choice is to not make the back up run until he can better the speed of his existing records. Kudos to Dave for that choice.
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This is reasonably close to how it looked in 1988 when Dave set the 210 MPH unfaired and 225 MPH MPS records.
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He's entered at Speedweek in 2000cc APS-VF -- Open record.
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Is this list "been over 200 ufaired" or "record over 200 unfaired"
G
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Over 200 at a LSR venue, no record needed. One way speeds, exit speeds, standing or flying 1 mile, 1.3, 1.5, etc. It's a small list, 62 and counting. Dean
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Bob George 217.9 Bonneville Speedweek 1972 Dual 90" Harley 2990.4cc #A 18 one way
Above numbers taken from the Dec 1972 issue MOTORCYCLIST magazine, page 55.
Impressed me as a very stout run at the time. Homemade barrels on cases cast with "HD SPL" where numbers would normally be stamped.
Ed
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Bob George 217.9 Bonneville Speedweek 1972 Dual 90" Harley 2990.4cc #A 18 one way
Above numbers taken from the Dec 1972 issue MOTORCYCLIST magazine, page 55.
Impressed me as a very stout run at the time. Homemade barrels on cases cast with "HD SPL" where numbers would normally be stamped.
Ed
Excellent, thanks very much Ed. Is there a picture of it without bodywork? -Dean
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I found one on the RB Racing site, lots of great history there. thanks again :cheers:
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This is a video of Dave Matson starting up his Vincent. It's a bad is it sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHa_Q14ztlE
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I have been chasing Daves 225 record for three years. Rain, wet track, and mechanical issues have kept me from any good speeds. His front fender, on the naked bike, looks like it would be illegal today. One of these days I will probably take a shot at that 210 naked record!! :-D
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As I remember Evelyn Sholtz ran 211 at speedweek Bonneville in 2012 on an A/BG 1000 Suzuki
Popped the rods out of the front of the motor and poked a hole in the turbo on the return run
Brought it back into impound on a trailer and fortunately still had one piston attached to a rod so we could measure it
Got a record at about 192.993
G
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That Vincent sounds fierce! I wonder how a modern plain bearing Japanese engine would tolerate a litte nitromethane. Hmmmm, naked 1000cc record looks a bit soft :)
Grumm, Evelyn is on the list with that pass, Greg Watters clued me in last week. She will pit two passes together and get a hat I bet.
Fred, how many records do you hold? You have to pick on the only guy older than you? 😈
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Here is a Dave Matson video I took in 2004, although I am not the one that uploaded it to YouTube. You can get some more flavor of the sound, but this is his older "small" motor.
Dave Matson starting line 2004 (https://youtu.be/fAyx0zdNNIY)
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Bob George 217.9 Bonneville Speedweek 1972 Dual 90" Harley 2990.4cc #A 18 one way
Above numbers taken from the Dec 1972 issue MOTORCYCLIST magazine, page 55.
Impressed me as a very stout run at the time. Homemade barrels on cases cast with "HD SPL" where numbers would normally be stamped.
Ed
I believe that is the same bike (modified) by Leo Hess that set unfaired pushrod record at El Mirage
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Dean, I still have a couple of records. We just think it is not right that a pushrod twin, almost as old as me :roll:, should still hold this record. I hope they will move it to vintage class if I ever break it. It is a stout record.
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Fred, You should've heard the bike as it entered the mile. There's no way to beat that, MPH maybe, Sound no way. :-D
Yes, I was there when Dave made those run. The next year was a different story thou....
Rouse
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Yeah I love the sounds of a Vincent. I bet is is really cool on nitro!!
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I hope he us at Speed Week this year.
Anyone know of a 200+ naked speed for Vance Breese?
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The British will be adding names after the ACU/UKTA Elvington mile event. Wait for the results to be posted.
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Anyone know of a 200+ naked speed for Vance Breese?
Or Dave Campos or Dan Kinsey?
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Thanks TC, I will search. (edit - I think Dan Kinsey got up to 192 on Tramp 3 naked, then put on a fairing)
There were a couple additions (so far) after the Elvington meet last week, including the fastest non-Hayabusa, Zef Eisenberg on a turbine bike of his own making.
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It was quite an honor to crew for Max Lambky, especially when Vesco and Campos were the pilots. One of my all time favorite records is Campos' 231 MPH APS 3000 Fuel record from the early '70s on his double engined drag bike. I asked him about that one, and he said it was quite a beast to ride on the salt. With this thread, I was wondering if he ever rode it unfaired.
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Vance Breese held a SCTA record of 199.954 in AF-1350, set in 1985 on a Harley. I imagine one of his timed miles was over 200- would anyone have a clue where to find this info? Google fails me.
Thanks,
Dean
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It was quite an honor to crew for Max Lambky, especially when Vesco and Campos were the pilots. One of my all time favorite records is Campos' 231 MPH APS 3000 Fuel record from the early '70s on his double engined drag bike. I asked him about that one, and he said it was quite a beast to ride on the salt. With this thread, I was wondering if he ever rode it unfaired.
That was Bob George's double engined shovelhead on 70% nitro with S&S side bowl fuel carbs. That bike used a 4 speed Harley tranny so it was "fragile" to say the least. Leo Hess bought it and ran it later. I have been trying to find out if it made it to 200 unfaired as well. It is one of my favorite bikes on the salt.
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Dave also said that his last or one of the last times he rode it at the drags, he beat Clem Johnson's Barn Job, not an easy feat.
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Just as a matter of discussion, I notice that about half of the bikes listed are Hayabusas. I personally wouldn't exactly qualify them as "unfaired." That would shorten the list.
Tom
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A lot of those busas run naked.
Bf
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All of the Hayabusas in this list ran without fairings. Dean
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Cliff Daly just missed at 197 mph on a naked ZX10R on spray. The clutch was giving up a bit. With a little work he will find the 3 mph he left on the table.
Joe
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Go get em Cliff!!
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All of the Hayabusas in this list ran without fairings. Dean
I stand corrected - - sorry for the distraction. I apologize. Congratulations to all of them.
Tom
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I'm sure Cliff will do it in September, excellent start for a ground-up build, :cheers:
List is updated to 68 riders, WTG.
Dean
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I thought Warner Riley went over 200 on his Harley back in the 70s. Anybody know for sure?
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He went over 2 partially streamlined in both '71 and '72. I am unsure if he ever ran over 2 in an unfaired class after that.
Ed
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yeah, the best Warner did was 199.500 unfaired I think in '73 or '74. still very impressive for a na pushrod engine.
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Warner's 199.500 run was in 1974 in the M/AF 2000 class.
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Thanks for the info Jim, that's one RCH away. Dean
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Another new machine to add to the list is the Eisenberg V8 prototype road bike. At Elvington on Sunday 16th August Zef rode his new bike unfaired to 206.228 mph in full road legal (UK) trim and with not too many miles on the odometer, ..... indeed his first run of the weekend was at 204 mph and change.
The event was the Elvington Standing 1 Mile speed trial, linked with the World Wheelie kilo event.
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Thanks Malcolm, Zef Eisenberg is already on the list at #12, with his 233mph speed on his turbine bike earlier this year. He is the fastest non-Hayabusa, which is significant, as the big Suzuki makes up 70% of the list. best, Dean
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Dean,
I thought the use of piston power should be acknowledged with Zef's latest V8 normally aspirated bike. He has posted pictures on his own fb pages - the engine is a thing of beauty.
I have been fortunate to witness most of his recent speed passes, on the Turbine bike, including those on Pendine Sands.
We (UKTA) have another meeting in September where we may see some more 'naked action'.
Best regards, Malcolm.
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I appreciate his innovation and energy, the V8 Hayabusa is absolutely beautiful. For this list, I don't think mulitple entries per rider is workable. Several folks have been over 200 naked on a variety of makes, engine sizes, power-adders, and the list would be too busy. He needs to go 234 on the V8! :-D Dean
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Malcolm - if you are going to get involved in naked action then I'm going almost anywhere else - Italy maybe. :-D
Robin
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Several folks have been over 200 naked on a variety of makes, engine sizes, power-adders, and the list would be too busy. He needs to go 234 on the V8! :-D Dean
If he has not read this I will make sure Zef knows what the next speeds have to be. The V8 was hardly run in on Sunday last. It has no turbos yet. Thanks for all that you do Dean to promote speed racers efforts.
Now Robin you know we are talking about the bikes not the rider or the track crew. Maybe you went to Black Rock in '97 for something other than Thrust SSC and learnt from the people attending Burning Man! Enjoy Italy if you do go there soon.
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With the kind help of Scott Guthrie, who reached out and confirmed 200+ clocked miles that contributed to 199.XX mph records, two more pushrod riders have been added.
Vance Breese, who went 201 on a Harley in 1985, and Warner Riley, who went 205 on a Harley in 1974.
Does anyone build and ride 200+ naked Harleys these days?
thanks,
Dean
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Some of the older speed records seem a lot faster than you would think possible... Were conditions better then ?
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Dean,
Bob Moreland went 218.5 on our turbo naked Busa at El Mirage.
Doug Perko went 225.4 at Bonneville on the same bike at Bonneville.
Bob Moreland also ran 208+ mph at El Mirage on his twin engined V-Twin bike...would need to look in the book for his record speed.
John
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One listing per man, sort of.
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Dean,
Bob Moreland went 218.5 on our turbo naked Busa at El Mirage.
Doug Perko went 225.4 at Bonneville on the same bike at Bonneville.
Bob Moreland also ran 208+ mph at El Mirage on his twin engined V-Twin bike...would need to look in the book for his record speed.
John
Great, thanks John. Do you remember what year for Bob Moreland's El Mirage speed, and Doug Perko's?
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2008 for Doug..I have to look up the year for Moreland
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Judging from the El Mirage records, I guessed 2009 for Bob Moreland. Let me know if it's off. thanks again, Dean
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I was helping him that year. He went over 200 in both directions, but not in the same mile.
I have the timing slips somewhere around here....
He was using the motor out of his street bike
Harry
Vance Breese held a SCTA record of 199.954 in AF-1350, set in 1985 on a Harley. I imagine one of his timed miles was over 200- would anyone have a clue where to find this info? Google fails me.
Thanks,
Dean
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Thanks Harry, the information has been updated.
Updated to bump Shane Stubbs from 240 to 248 after the ECTA meet this weekend. WTFG Shane!
Dean