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Tech Information => Technical Discussion => Topic started by: lsrjunkie on March 09, 2015, 04:34:34 PM
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After some consideration, I'm looking into a stand alone ECU for ignition control that is expandable to EFI in the future. I've done some research and talked to a few different companies, but haven't really found the information I'm looking for. I'd like to use a cam and crank sensor so the spark will be sequential. Any suggestions?
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How much do you want to spend
MS3 pro looks good value for money & to have a lot of room to expand later , has many features of a high end manager
AEM has a few ecu options too
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Price isn't a huge concern. My grand father once told me a poor man can't afford to buy cheap things. That being said, the MS3 looks pretty good to me as well. Problem is I don't know enough about any of it to make an informed decision. I know how it works, and what I want it to do, just not sure how to go about it. I'll look into the AEM stuff. Thanks Maj.
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While I'll need to upgrade to include EFI, I found the Electromotive software pretty easy to use on their ignition module.
If you want to check out the package, you can download the software on their site -
http://www.electromotive-inc.com/
It'll get you the dashboard and the owner's manual, and might influence your decision.
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You might try Performance Electronics, http://www.pe-ltd.com/joomla/, they are out of England but have a pretty good US office. Lots of good stuff on their web site which is very helpful, and the cost is competitive. I am thinking about converting my Zetec motor in my little roadster over to their system.
Rex
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If you have limited efi experiance then a easy to use system would be the Link g4 or Vipec , good quality , not cheap
I went with the Link, and found it real easy to setup and learn , Vipec is out of the same stable and has a couple of different features , otherwise just about the same ecu
my earlier one can interchange maps between the two , but latest release i believe has more difference
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Motec is a good choice, and Dave Dahlgren at Engine Management Systems would be a good guy to discuss your requirements with.
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I've got some input on this -- --
First -- Who's gonna do the tuning on this????? Have you got a Dyno/Tuner guy you love and trust???? (if not,,, get one).... Because you can't tuna fish without putting it on the dyno!!!!!! --
Then after you have your dyno guy/tuner safely in your back pocket, then get whatever system HE recommends and loves.
I've got an Electromotive TechGT system in my Ghia and I've been fighting this bastard for 3+ years -- and I still can't depend on this system to make my car run the same from one time to the next -- everything has been completely rebuilt 2 or 3 times -- Whine Whine Whine -- -- BUT I can't find ANYONE out here on the West Coast that can point a finger at any one thing and say that is the bugger.... and now I'm gonna pull the damn thing out and throw in a AEM EMS4 -- -- I so tired of hating this car -- I really want to love this thing
The thing I want to express is, find THE GURU you love and live and die with him ! ! ! ! !! ! !! !!! !!
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In my experience, it’s the “Tuner” that counts. Can you talk to them on a level you “both” understand?
Additionally, Is there a community site that supports the proposed system? Just observing the chatter on these boards can bring a wealth of information to discuss with your tuner. Does the maker have really solid tech support?
I’ve considerable experience tuning OEM systems in racing; however, I turned the entire tune project over to a new (to me) tuner. Why, my new system is a stand-alone AEM Infinity. I could have installed the system and worked from a base MAP and tuned up to what I think the engine needs. However, the modest sum I invested in the “tuner” was the best money spent. He knows the product, how it works, the system strategies employed.
Additionally, this wasn’t a plug & play system as I need to build the harness for my car. I also wanted boost control strategies, as well as engine cooling strategies.
Well meaning people will encourage you to spend a lot on hardware. Determine (realistically) how many stand-alone capabilities you will really need. How many channels to log. Traction control? I could have spent more on hardware; however, it just wasn’t necessary for my application. I put (a modest) amount of money into the tuner instead.
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Fiatdude,
The AEM systems are good choices. Both John Romero and Nathan Stewart on this board are AEM employees and LSR involved.
DW
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Thanks for all the info guys! I'm still doing some digging. My biggest problem now is finding a tuner in my area. I'll keep you all posted on how things progress.
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Feel free to email me with any questions you might have: nstewart@aempower.com
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After much consideration, and talking with a fellow a lot more knowledgeable than myself, (Thanks Nate!) I believe I have come up with a few options that may work. The more research I have done the more it is looking like I won't make the jump this year. I have decided to stick with what I know and get the car sorted out first. After that... Well it's anybody's guess. Thanks again for all the input!
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BUT I can't find ANYONE out here on the West Coast that can point a finger at any one thing and say that is the bugger.... and now I'm gonna pull the Dodge thing out and throw in a AEM EMS4 -- -- I so tired of hating this car -- I really want to love this thing
The thing I want to express is, find THE GURU you love and live and die with him ! ! ! ! !! ! !! !!! !!
You can try Nelson Racing engines, they have done electromotive systems in the past from simple to high HP twin turbo motors...
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I have a MS3Pro set up an a flathead Ford and its pretty simple to work with, many options including E85, boost, etc...
The MS3x is also good if you need less external controls.
AEM is great, a lot more expensive for essentially the same end controls.
We've had major issues with FAST dropping programs.