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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: gkabbt on September 15, 2014, 07:57:01 PM
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Just saw this on Yahoo about Eva, Bill and their KillaJoule sidecar motorcycle streamliner.
https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/fastest-woman-on-a-motorcycle-hits-241-mph-with-electricity-instead-of-gas-214854964.html
Good picture link:
https://autos.yahoo.com/photos/killajoule-the-world-s-fastest-motorcycle-1410816354-slideshow/
Congrats to Eva and Bill. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
As with other LSR articles, this one has some minor incorrect info!
Gregg
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I don't have fast internet here in this motel so I won't try to download and read, but one error I see in the headline is her speed. I was in the timing tower when she went through the lights at 271. Maybe the 241 was one of her earlier runs. She was still on the salt today -- riding in the school bus with the kids.
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If you are talking about the speeds of 241 being incorrect at the end of the article is says,
"Shortly after setting the record, Håkansson and team went back to the salt flats in a more relaxed run and managed to run the KillaJoule up to 270 mph — a speed she says on the team's blog probably represents the top end of what the current design can accomplish. "
Tom G.
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Congrats to Eva and her team.....270mph plus with a sidecar streamliner......Outstanding.........that is now the fastest motorcycle sidecar in the world. Reading some of the "media" reports and comments I find it very interesting that there appear to be many morons and mental midgets that do not understand what is involved with a motorcycle sidecar...............Oh well, I have spend over 70 year trying to educate the US. and for that matter the Landspeed org's what sidecars are all about.............and YES I have had some success since we brought the first sidecar to Bonneville in 1978......Remember: "2 wheels is not enough......
4 is to many.......3 is just right"................Again congrats Eva for your outstanding effort......................
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Awesome job eva & bill ! :cheers:
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Fantastic result Eva and team. Well done to you all.
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As wonderful the accomplishment is for the sidecar motorcycle streamliner and the team is to be congratulated for theirs efforts, THIS IS NOT A RECORD.
There was no sanctioning whatsoever. Not SCTA, USFRA, FIM or AMA. That portion of the Cook Shootout was delayed to Oct 5th.
ANY speeds recorded are simply that, recorded speeds, personal bests, one-way timing tickets.
All this mean is the vehicle has GREAT potential, but under no circumstances should it be elevated to record holder.
Record holders (drivers, riders and team members) deserve our respect for adhering to strict regulation under tremendous mental, physical, monetary and emotional pressures.
At best, it demonstrates the sidecar M/C streamliner is capable of greatness in the record books, but has NOT earned a line in the record books yet.
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Quite a feat 271 mph .... a real break through with electric power. This thing is scary quiet.
Joe
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As wonderful the accomplishment is for the sidecar motorcycle streamliner and the team is to be congratulated for theirs efforts, THIS IS NOT A RECORD.
There was no sanctioning whatsoever. Not SCTA, USFRA, FIM or AMA. That portion of the Cook Shootout was delayed to Oct 5th.
ANY speeds recorded are simply that, recorded speeds, personal bests, one-way timing tickets.
All this mean is the vehicle has GREAT potential, but under no circumstances should it be elevated to record holder.
Record holders (drivers, riders and team members) deserve our respect for adhering to strict regulation under tremendous mental, physical, monetary and emotional pressures.
At best, it demonstrates the sidecar M/C streamliner is capable of greatness in the record books, but has NOT earned a line in the record books yet.
I hesitate to argue with LSL (especially as I have just ordered two copies of the Speed Demon book and need her to mail them soon :lol:), but KillaJoule did set a record (subject to official confirmation etc.) at BMST (240.xxx mph). My understanding of the publicity surrounding that performance is that it will be an AMA record but not FIM. Not sure why Eva is not claiming it as an FIM record if BMST had both AMA and FIM sanctioning.
The 270.xxx mph run is an unofficial "record" for something like "The World's Fastest Woman on a Motor Cycle at an Event with Credible Timing", i.e. she won "Mike Cook's Shootout Presents the first Lucas Oil Varta Battery Top Speed Challenge", which beats any speeds recorded at other one-way events.
Is that about right?
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My comments were restricted to Cook's Test and Tune event only.
I believe the vehicle set a record at BMST, but the certified results had not been posted as of yesterday. . .
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OK, I was misled by the "but has NOT earned a line in the record books yet" statement.
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Did I post "the world fastest sidecar record" NO......I posted "the world fastest motorcycle sidecar"............
However, correct me if wrong.........but she holds the FIM World Record for motorcycle STREAMLINER
SIDECAR............ALREADY...
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There was no sanctioning whatsoever. Not SCTA, USFRA, FIM or AMA. That portion of the Cook Shootout was delayed to Oct 5th.
That's a kick in the teeth to any motorcycle record holder on the standing mile racing at Loring, Ohio, Texas, Mojave, UK Mile.
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Malcolm dear, we were only talking about Bonneville and only about the Cook test and tune, not the whole wide world. . . and besides, none of those other sanctioning bodies have dominion on the salt anyway. Let's not confuse the situation anymore than it is already Mr. Speed Record Club president.
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Record - Shmecord.
Personally, I'm in awe of Eva's accomplishments. 200mph club member, fastest woman on a bike, fastest electric bike, fastest time 2014 BMST, now fastest time at Cook's - Eva and her team truly represent the best of what Land Speed Racing is all about, ingenuity, innovation, courage, persistence.
They are fantastic ambassadors for our hobby.
Willi
Kraut Bros.
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Willi -
When you attend your first funeral of a compatriot who died trying to set a world record, or visit one in the hospital after crashing out trying to do the same, you will have acquired the knowledge and accompanying respect that record-holders have earned.
No one is saying the speed runs have no recognition, simply that what went down at the test and tune did not result in any records. And be fair to those women who hurtle along on 2 wheels, not on the stable comfort of 3, they have a harder time of wrestling the speed gremlins. Ask Leslie Porterfield how many bones she broke when she went down and down hard. Very hard. But is what she did when she came back that counts: a 232MPH record.
"To make a good rider," Porterfield told Time Magazine, "it takes somebody who can react to unusual circumstances effectively and stay calm. These bikes are a handful, and they are tough to ride. There is a lack of traction that always comes into effect and sometimes the bike moves around quite a bit and sometimes it can get out from under you pretty fast, so it takes some good calm reactions and a lack of panic when things get a little squirrelly out there on the salt [at Bonneville]."
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Eva and her team has shown what Electric powered vehicles are capable of and their results whether records or just timed passes were awesome.
I do see an issue claiming "Fastest Woman "on" a bike". As a person that has run a streamlined motorcycle at the salt you are in and not on..I would like to see them run 300 "in their Streamlined Sidecar"
Her team has set the bar high for other sidecar streamliners for sure. :cheers:
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I, too, was excited and pleased to learn about Eva's 270+ mph speed(s), regardless
of whether they were "official." More power to her!
I have read that she indicated that this is about as fast as her streamliner can go.
It would be terrific it she modified it and went 300 (officially, that is!), but of course
it gets more difficult, expensive, and dangerous as the speed increases.
300 is a more "magical" number than 200 when it comes to this land speed stuff. If
she wants to go 300, I hope it happens as safely as possible. And if it can be done
("kind of") economically, that would be good too.
Best wishes to everyone for great salt conditions, safety, and results this year. Here's
hoping to see the first 400+mph official record-setting runs by a motorcycle soon!
tallguy (in northern California)
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Malcolm dear, we were only talking about Bonneville and only about the Cook test and tune, not the whole wide world. . . and besides, none of those other sanctioning bodies have dominion on the salt anyway. Let's not confuse the situation anymore than it is already Mr. Speed Record Club president.
Leave out the condescending phrases next time please Louise, it does not help the conversation.
No governing body dictates what type of surface to run on or its location, not even the SCTA who race on dirt and salt. If you had made it clear that the narrow dimensions of the conversation were "Bonneville" and "Cook" (and electric sidecars) then that would have sufficed.
The Cook event was, for the few entries, a "speed challenge" much like a standing mile style events but increased in scale to provide 5 miles acceleration and 1 mile timed (with the 132 ft exit trap).
(Much like the "Sir Malcolm" used by the Bluebird Project restoring the DMC boat K7, the "President" was an added tag used about me by someone during the Cook meeting. All SRC members know that Paul Hannaford is our club Chairman, because it states that in the newsletter Fast FACTS).
Regards, Malcolm
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The KillaJoule web site has a very well-written summary of Eva's (and her team's) achievements.
CURRENT RECORDS
KillaJoule – land speed racing records
KillaJoule is the world’s fastest electric motorcycle and the world’s fastest sidecar motorcycle of any kind with an official speed record of 240.726 mph (387.328 km/h) in the flying mile (AMA record August 2014, pending official certification) and a registered top speed of 270.224 mph (434.9 km/h).
The 240.726 mph record beats all the previous national and international speed records for electric motorcycles as well as for all kinds of sidecar motorcycles (including internal combustion-powered sidecar motorcycles).
The speed of 270.224 mph makes Eva Håkansson the fastest woman on a motorcycle in history.
Complete list of official speed records for KillaJoule and pilot Eva Håkansson:
240.726 mph (387.328 km/h) in the flying mile, AMA record, Bonneville Motorcycle Speed Trials, Bonneville Salt Flats, August 2014 (pending official certification by the AMA).
212.172 mph (341.458 km/h) in the flying kilometer, FIM record, BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials, Bonneville Salt Flats, August 2013.
212.047 mph in the flying mile, AMA record, BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials, Bonneville Salt Flats, August 2013.
212.040 mph (341.246 km/h) in the flying mile, FIM record, BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials, Bonneville Salt Flats, August 2013.
191.488 mph in the flying mile, AMA record, BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials, Bonneville Salt Flats, August 2012
188.063 mph in standing 1.5 mile, LTA record, Loring Timing Association, Maine, July 2012
164.131 mph in standing 1 mile, LTA record, Loring Timing Association, Maine, July 2012
138.586 mph in the flying mile, AMA record, BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials, Bonneville Salt Flats, August 2011
138.055 mph in the flying kilometer, FIM record, BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials, Bonneville Salt Flats, August 2011
138.036 mph in the flying mile, FIM record, BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials, Bonneville Salt Flats, August 2011
Registered top speed (single run):
270.224 mph (434.9 km/h), Mike Cook’s ShootOut, Bonneville Salt Flats, September 2014.
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The above post tells it all........... and all these achievements in the "stable comfort of 3" wheels........I would like to invite Louise for a ride in a Landracing sidecar on the salt....( it would have to be at the all motorcycle meet due to the fact that SCTA/BNI since 1986 outlawed passengers) so she can see for herself how stable AND comfortable it is to race the salt on 3 wheels. In fact I would at 77 years old come out of retirement to do the driving honors............It might even inspire her to write another book about "3 wheels on the salt"....
She could get input from people like John N. as to how comfortable he felt going 210mph. plus, on the dirt at El Mirage on 3 wheels. Then she could fly to Switzerland and talk to Fritz Egli to ask about his 206mph (former) World Record run on the salt..............Yes, that is why I have raced sidecars for the past 60 plus years because I wanted the "stable comfort of 3" wheels............Come on Louise get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The above post tells it all........... and all these achievements in the "stable comfort of 3" wheels........I would like to invite Louise for a ride in a Landracing sidecar on the salt....( it would have to be at the all motorcycle meet due to the fact that SCTA/BNI since 1986 outlawed passengers) so she can see for herself how stable AND comfortable it is to race the salt on 3 wheels. In fact I would at 77 years old come out of retirement to do the driving honors............It might even inspire her to write another book about "3 wheels on the salt"....
She could get input from people like John N. as to how comfortable he felt going 210mph. plus, on the dirt at El Mirage on 3 wheels. Then she could fly to Switzerland and talk to Fritz Egli to ask about his 206mph (former) World Record run on the salt..............Yes, that is why I have raced sidecars for the past 60 plus years because I wanted the "stable comfort of 3" wheels............Come on Louise get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll have to agree, the 3rd wheel appears to add a safety factor, but in reality at those speeds I'd much rather be on 2 wheels without that appendage sticking out there and not real sure what it is going to do (rest assured though that I'll never attempt either).
A lot of effort goes into streamliners, lakesters and other cars to make sure they hopefully are pretty symmetrical to keep them running straight and her rig sure isn't symmetrical.
The hardest vehicle in my opinion to get down the course is a motorcycle streamliner. Few have been good at it. She has the definite advantage of the initial 'getting up to speed' without falling over, but from that point on I think if there isn't crosswinds 2 wheels will be more stable at higher speeds than probably the 3 wheels with the possible unknown aero tendencies of the vehicle.
I'll also add hats off to Eva and her team, not a lot of people will run over 250 regardless of the vehicle,
Sum
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First it is nice to see Sumner on the forum again and I hope all is well with you. Lets see they build a streamliner basically at home and power it with a bunch flashlight batteries and go 270. My hats off to them. I do not care a lot about who sanctions who. I think it is fantastic what they have done. I live in Denver and would love to meet them. On face book I saw Eva with children at Salt flats can you imagine the thrill they had being with her. I would bet not one of them asked who sanctioned the meet. Maybe the first person to go 1000 miles per hour was on that bus. My congratulations on what you have accomplished.
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In direct contrast to the curmudgeonly opining of the poster who claims to "say what everyone else is thinking" even when this is rarely the case... I, for one, would like to avoid another Jesse James v. Louise embarrasment and get back to the original spirit of this post!
I had no idea what the KillaJoule was when we followed the trailer off of I80 and onto the salt. I was pleasantly surprised to learn over the next two days that this trailer was chocked full of the dreams of two vibrantly intelligent people who are quite successfully foraying deep into the unknown. We can all argue the semantics of the number of wheels, and "on" v. "in", this organization, that organization, blah, blah, blah... whatever....
But at the end of the day, these pioneers, Eva and Bill, are living the dream of those innovaters who pushed the envelope of our sport long before it was even a recognized sport. I don't mean to wax nostalgic, but pushing the envelope of technology was exactly what innovators like Ak Miller, Marvin Lee, Wally Parks, Malcolm Campbell, Mickey Thompson, and a huge list of other heroes to the sport were all about.
Our current generation desperately needs more models of courage, innovation, and seeing the payoff for good old fashioned hard work! I'm truly inspired by your efforts and I wish you continued success!
Kix
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Tricky Dicky has the best post of this thread where it lists the facts about the sidecar streamliner's records and single speed runs.
All the rest of the ego twisting is pointless.
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bak --
Is there a minimum (and maximum) weight for passengers?
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In direct contrast to the curmudgeonly opining of the poster who claims to "say what everyone else is thinking" even when this is rarely the case... I, for one, would like to avoid another Jesse James v. Louise embarrasment and get back to the original spirit of this post!
I had no idea what the KillaJoule was when we followed the trailer off of I80 and onto the salt. I was pleasantly surprised to learn over the next two days that this trailer was chocked full of the dreams of two vibrantly intelligent people who are quite successfully foraying deep into the unknown. We can all argue the semantics of the number of wheels, and "on" v. "in", this organization, that organization, blah, blah, blah... whatever....
But at the end of the day, these pioneers, Eva and Bill, are living the dream of those innovaters who pushed the envelope of our sport long before it was even a recognized sport. I don't mean to wax nostalgic, but pushing the envelope of technology was exactly what innovators like Ak Miller, Marvin Lee, Wally Parks, Malcolm Campbell, Mickey Thompson, and a huge list of other heroes to the sport were all about.
Our current generation desperately needs more models of courage, innovation, and seeing the payoff for good old fashioned hard work! I'm truly inspired by your efforts and I wish you continued success!
Kix
HAHAHA you beat me to the blah blah blah.
It is not the first or last time a professional writer was wrong. Who cares!
Everyone enjoy this if you haven't already viewed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt5XJ6AXbAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt5XJ6AXbAo)
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All the rest of the ego twisting is pointless.
As was your shot at her record (pending verification apparently)..... Or did you have a point?
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The mile long trap was used on the salt for the Lucas Oils/Varta Batteries Speed Challenge.
So the 270 mph achieved by Eva was her average speed over the 5280 feet of timed distance. The team call it their 'top speed', but to many it will be the mile target speed for other electric powered teams, (except the OSU Buckeye Bullet).
It was a pity that Paul Drayson could not run on the salt last October with his Le Mans based Lola EV Class II electric car (an official FIA record holder). Any figures might have been unable to match the mile one way average set by KillaJoule (which I was able to observe).
Using a British phrase for comparison (about the equivalent to the bang for each buck spent), the "£ spent per mph" would seem to be very good value with the Killacycle Team, when compared with all other electric powered contenders of today with completed vehicles or design renderings.
Electric power started the story of the World LSR race in 1898, but perhaps unfortunately it will not end the story because non wheeldriven vehicles have taken over with the top speeds. Eva and Bill and their team (Alicia and Mike and Kent) will keep a place for wheeldriven electric in the ongoing story of speed.
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Thank you to all of the men and women in Land Speed Racing who encourage me to crew, race and capture the passion of the LSR culture.
As a photographer, it was not records that inspire me to drive, it is the racers discipline to stay in shape, their skill to ride or drive and their courage to go fast.
It is wonderful to know there is always a possibility I could get a record or a "Red Hat" someday, but that is just the icing on the cake. I find it more rewarding to inspire others, just as Eva, Danny, Willy, Kitty, Leslie, Al, Jane, Tegan, Chick , Monte, George, Ali, Nick, Fred, Judy, Ed, Mike, Billy, Tony, Lee, Jill, Jim, Martin and countless others have inspired me.
It is not about records. Land speed racing is about being positive, inspiring others to be courageous, be self –confident and follow their dreams.
So far, as evidenced by the attached photo, my choice to be positive and encouraging to others is very rewarding.
My next step is to get my “A” license, then a record and into the 200 MPH Club. These personal goals are a direct result of the positive and encouraging attitude of others. I am extremely grateful to those who have given me so many amazing opportunities.
Thank you.
“We can improve our relationships with others by leaps and bounds if we become encouraging instead of critical.”- Joyce Meyer
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bak --
Is there a minimum (and maximum) weight for passengers?
In the AMA rules there is no mention of a minimum weight (or maximum) for a passenger. It does state that in lieu of a passenger ballast weighing 60kg. shall be mounted in the sidecar
Curmudgeonly. I like that. Appropriate.
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Contrary to peanut gallery, Eva did not set any record at Cook's Test and Tune, her records were set at other sanctioned events.
That is entire point of my commenting and this thread is finished on that point for me.
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If you go back and read what was posted at no point was Eva's 270 mph run mentioned as a record. Prior to you shouting as us telling us what we already knew the word "record" appears in one post and that was in reference to her 240 mph record.
Again, congratulations Eva on your NON record from the red headed stepchildren of the peanut gallery.
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Contrary to peanut gallery, Eva did not set any record at Cook's Test and Tune, her records were set at other sanctioned events.
That is entire point of my commenting and this thread is finished on that point for me.
Am I wrong or were you the one who mentioned Cook's? Before your first 2 posts, no one said anything about Cook's. Only you did. And first you said "not a record" with no reference to what speed or particular run you were talking about. Best to just admit your error and move on.
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Ok; from someone that was setting @ the 5 1/2 mile when Eva came through the 5 to the 6.
We could clearly see her as she came past the 3 headed to the 4, silently streaking from one mile marker to the next, a thin whisper of salt trailing the bike as it continued like a javelin through the 4 and into the 5.
Entering the timed mile from the 5 to the 6 Eva pasted us at the 5 1/2 straight down the coarse perfectly alined and centered on through the 6. Chute out and bike coasted to a clean stop.
The announcement over channel 1 on the CB; 270.--- in the mile, 268.--- out the back door. Simple as that, she had a 270.--- time slip. Not many folks can say that, and I recognize the hard work and achievement that it takes to make such a spectacular pass on the salt, or any where else for that matter. The time slip that she received from the folks in the timing both, I'm sure is record enough for her and Bill, giving the circumstances of the event.
Great job, and congratulations go out the Eva and Bill and their crew for a job well done.
Rouse
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This is a tremendous accomplishment. I am always impressed at the silence when the electric machines run. With the new battery technology that is evolving, one has to wonder where electric power will be in 10 years. Eva and her team are pioneers in developing this. I spoke with her awhile back and she said the streamliner was originally built with out riggers but it didn't handle well and they decided on the side car wheel for a more stable platform.
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Eva can parallel park! :-o That has to be a record of some kind for streamliners! :-D :-D
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I was with Alan Rice in the timing stand when Eva made her runs. The bike was quiet all right -- but not silent. There was the whoosh of air being moved around just like it always is moved by a streamlined vehicle -- but that noise is overwhelmed by the engine noise in a vehicle with an engine.
Eva drove the bike to the stand after her run to get her timing slip and to let me interview her for the streaming audience and yes, to show off that the bike has reverse and can be parallel parked. It doesn't have much turning ability -- took a few back-and-forths to move it sideways a few feet.
But there was the interview. I knew Eva somewhat vaguely as another racer before this event -- but during the Challenge and especially during the interview I came to know way more about her - her abilities and personal attributes. Like - - she was a great interviewee. I'd ask a question and she'd not only give a complete answer but would explain it so that just about everyone could understand what she was saying (not justs someone with years of racing or a few advanced degrees). She showed smiles and enthusiasm during the interview - and that meant to me that she was completely confident of the material she was sharing with us. Bill, Cook, Rice, and the various spectators just stood there and listened (for the most part) to her discourse.
Thanks for the great interview, Eva, and for the good runs and for just plain being there. It's yet another experience I won't forget. :-D :cheers: :-D :cheers: :-D
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Eva is a wonderful ambassador for LSR. One of her stated goals is to influence girls and young women so they consider careers in science or engineering. When she and Bill came to Loring they made a stop after the event at the Maine School of Science and Math to show the kids at summer school the vehicle and talk about technology.
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Eva is one of the best things to happen to LSR racing in a long time IMO. She represents what many see as the future of our sport.
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Aw shucks guys. You are making me blush....
// Eva
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You deserve all the accolades being heaped upon you. There are not too many women who have ran an LSR bike over 200 mph and I would guess much less who also built it as well.
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Copied from Evas facebook page:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/s640x640/1924386_726436294059628_6063477713949702739_n.jpg?oh=5cd38a313a1f038fde11a8a88a3ab6ca&oe=5489DD28&__gda__=1421549901_5901e6cf7c0021671ab766e5bfcbea4b)
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Hmmm -- is that a salt surface I see under the document? I wonder where Eva came up with that stuff. :roll:
It was quite a run to see, for sure. Quiet (as I've already said) with a nice whooosh and very little salt rooster tail (but some). And then she drove the bike to the tower using both forward and reverse to park it just right. Nice. And quiet, too. Corngratulations once more, Eva and Bill. :cheers: :cheers:
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Obviously Mike has a printer at the salt.... He did say there would be certificates just no records.
Nice job kids, see ya on the salt 8-)
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I think Alan Rice has the printer. :cheers:
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I don't care whether any three, four or more letter organization has certified the speed as an official record, that certificate is an awesome keepsake and the clocks used are certainly official. :-D :-D :-D
Pete
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Haha, Pete, with such talk you're liable to gettin' that landspeed lady all riled up again . . .
:cheers:
Willi
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This may be just my own not very humble opinion, but it always annoys me when "world bodies" based in Europe are required for we in North America to set "official" records. They normally require a European official to come over and ensure that we in the colonies do everything in accordance with their so called standards. This always seems very hypocritical to me in that many of these European based so called "world bodies", and I'm not picking on any one in particular, are famous for their flagrant use of graft and corruption.
I could go on but I think I've got the basic message across. Records set with North American clocks in North America using North American rules are just as legitimate as records set anywhere else in the world. Eva's speed is just as legitimate as anything else and while it was only set in one direction, it was the true speed attained and as such should be recognized as a wonderful accomplishment.
Rant over! :roll:
Pete
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AMEN !!!!!!!
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After the FIM steward came over and inspected my bike after my second run at another FIM "World Record" attempt and signed off the two way average as a World record he failed to turn my paperwork in because he forgot too, to me the FIM stands for Fu@$ing Ignorant Morons.
I have AMA records faster than SCTA records and they were harder to get since you have to do the turn around the same day. On another note I am not a fan of the BMST/AMA/FIM.
SCTA lakes racing is the best to me however it's great that many venues around the world have popped up to give us all a place to pursue our Land Speed Dreams.
John
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This may be just my own not very humble opinion, but it always annoys me when "world bodies" based in Europe are required for we in North America to set "official" records. They normally require a European official to come over and ensure that we in the colonies do everything in accordance with their so called standards. Rant over! :roll: Pete
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Always good to have a rant Pete ..... but only the FIM (bike) requires an 'overseas' Steward to officiate at a World Record attempt. This removes from any Country (including the UK) hosting an attempt the rare likelihood of any 'insider' deal between an entrant and governing body official because they are fellow countrymen.
Yes, the FIM and FIA set down a series of procedural rules but these are easy to follow. But follow them you should, exactly as all other World Reord holders have done.
If you wish to gain an FIA (car) World Record then you just get the affiliated US organisation to officiate.
Both bodies have a committee to oversee the wholeprocess - but modern technology does not have to have them sitting down together in Paris or Zurich or wherever to check and sign off on the Stewerd, technical official and Timekeeper written reports.
Would it be correct to state that what happened to John N is very rare? If it was a proven FIM problem then any delay should not have annulled the record. Didn't the AMA fight on the riders behalf?
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Here is a video of the electric motorcycle Killajoule at Bonneville last year. It just keeps getting faster.
https://vimeo.com/118538751 (https://vimeo.com/118538751)
If it stutters click on the HD bottom right to watch in Standard Definition.
Gerry Jenkinson.
Email gerry@vindeo.co.uk
Videos https://vimeo.com/channels/vindeo (https://vimeo.com/channels/vindeo)
Website www.gerryjenkinson.co.uk (http://www.gerryjenkinson.co.uk)