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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: Seldom Seen Slim on August 12, 2014, 04:41:38 PM
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I think a topic for the weather out at Bville is worth trying. Here we are on Tuesday - a few days after SpeedWeek was cancelled - and the radar out there right now shows that rain is a bit southwest of Wendover. The text forecast shows 60% rain today and tonight and 50% tomorrow and tomorrow night. All four forecasts say "could produce heavy rain".
Since we've got four more events to run this year I'd like to have the opportunity to keep current conditions and forecasts in an easy-to-find location here on the site.
Over to youse guys.
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I have been watching it myself for the same reason.
There are currently 2 warning boxes on radar about 50 miles south of Wendover the one hour rainfall from radar shows those areas have gotten some measurable rain.
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=mtx&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=no
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There was another cell went through about 2-3am Wendover time
but forcast is great after today
Good idea Slim
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I was just told Bonneville got dumped on again. :roll: Wayno
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Radar shows measurable rain fall east of the Wendover area, but only small amounts on the race course area (at least for now).
The area south of the highway also got some good rains according to radar.
The port of entry cam does not show any heavy rain as of its last update at 17:30 but that could change with the loop updates.
Most of the state of Utah is under a flood watch at the moment so things could change fast as the evening wears on.
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/slc/
go to the radar tab on the left and click composite loop to see the current precip pattern, or the 1 hour rainfall for a summary estimate by radar of how much rain fell.
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....or go here...
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.7371524&lon=-114.03751019999999&site=all&smap=1&searchresult=Wendover%2C%20UT%2C%20USA#.U-qwwqMxjF- (http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.7371524&lon=-114.03751019999999&site=all&smap=1&searchresult=Wendover%2C%20UT%2C%20USA#.U-qwwqMxjF-)
... and go down the page to the "RADAR & SATELLITE IMAGES" (right side of page) and click on the left one and then get the storm totals or 1 hour totals. Looks like a trace for the track area for the storm event that is still in progress as I write this.
One problem in looking at the totals for the race surface only is that the hills to the west are like one huge parking lot. If there is a downpour where the water runs off instead of soaking in they can send a deluge of water out onto the salt,
Sum
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I like this....... :-) :-).......two bikes getting ready for the road-trip to the Bonneville Motorcycle Speed Trials. We leave next Wednesday. Thanks, Jon.
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Looks like the salt is about to get rained on weather radar shows storms tracking right across wendover and to the north of I80 at 9:30 PM 8/12/14 mountain time.
Storm total radar shows some of that area has received about .5 inches of rain.
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...Storm total radar shows some of that area has received about .5 inches of rain...
Yep, and unfortunately .....
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14297.0;attach=47610;image)
... the area just to the west that drains onto the racing surface :cry:,
Sum
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Here is a more detailed radar image from a paid weather service I use.
shows a train of monsoon flow going over the area at 10:00 pm 8/12/14 so more precip likely tonight in that area.
Storms are tracking to the North east passing the Wendover Area just north of I80
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... I'd like to have the opportunity to keep current conditions and forecasts in an easy-to-find location here on the site...
Seems to me like a good plan, Slim.
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Does anyone know if there is still standing water on the racetrack? I see from the weather reports the area will have heavy rain today and there is a flooding warning. Just trying to gauge how fast the water drains off. The AMA/BST event is only 10 days from today.
Don
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You will have to hope that there is enough wind and heat to evaporate it, there is nowhere for it to drain to.
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Conditions are favorable for heavy rains in Nevada and Utah, precipitable water is between .99 inches and .91 inches in the Wendover area.
Precipitable water is the amount of water vapor available if it could be all squeezed out of the atmosphere, so sets an upper limit on how much rain can fall.
These values are between 1.8 and 1.4 x the normal for this month.
There is a bit of a convergence in place with two low pressure centers near the western border of Nevada/California which will tend to pump moisture into the north east quadrant of Nevada.
If you watch the weather radar loops the storm motion along the watsatch front range is to the north while out near Wendover the storm motion is from the south west to the north east.
This graphic will help you visualize that flow.
http://hint.fm/wind/
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This is the current flood watch text from the national Weather service (as of 14:05 8_13_14)
WGUS65 KSLC 130845
FFASLC
FLOOD WATCH
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SALT LAKE CITY UT
245 AM MDT WED AUG 13 2014
UTZ001>016-019>021-517-518-132300-
/O.CON.KSLC.FF.A.0007.000000T0000Z-140814T0600Z/
/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.OO/
CACHE VALLEY/UTAH PORTION-NORTHERN WASATCH FRONT-
SALT LAKE AND TOOELE VALLEYS-SOUTHERN WASATCH FRONT-
GREAT SALT LAKE DESERT AND MOUNTAINS-WASATCH MOUNTAIN VALLEYS-
WASATCH MOUNTAINS I-80 NORTH-WASATCH MOUNTAINS SOUTH OF I-80-
WESTERN UINTA MOUNTAINS-WASATCH PLATEAU/BOOK CLIFFS-
WESTERN UINTA BASIN-CASTLE COUNTRY-SAN RAFAEL SWELL-
SANPETE/SEVIER VALLEYS-WEST CENTRAL UTAH-SOUTHWEST UTAH-
UTAHS DIXIE AND ZION NATIONAL PARK-SOUTH CENTRAL UTAH-
GLEN CANYON RECREATION AREA/LAKE POWELL-CENTRAL MOUNTAINS-
SOUTHERN MOUNTAINS-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...LOGAN...SMITHFIELD...BRIGHAM CITY...
OGDEN...BOUNTIFUL...SALT LAKE CITY...TOOELE...LEHI...PROVO...
NEPHI...WENDOVER...SNOWVILLE...HUNTSVILLE...PARK CITY...
HEBER CITY...WOODRUFF...RANDOLPH...ALTA...BRIGHTON...
MIRROR LAKE HIGHWAY...SCOFIELD...DUCHESNE...ROOSEVELT...PRICE...
CASTLE DALE...EMERY...GREEN RIVER...HANKSVILLE...MANTI...
RICHFIELD...DELTA...FILLMORE...BEAVER...CEDAR CITY...MILFORD...
ST GEORGE...KANAB...ESCALANTE...BULLFROG...COVE FORT...
KOOSHAREM...FISH LAKE...LOA...PANGUITCH...BRYCE CANYON
245 AM MDT WED AUG 13 2014
...FLASH FLOOD WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT THROUGH THIS EVENING...
THE FLASH FLOOD WATCH CONTINUES FOR
* ALL OF UTAH
* THROUGH THIS EVENING
* SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WILL CONTINUE AT
TIMES ACROSS UTAH THROUGH THIS EVENING. THESE THUNDERSTORMS
WILL BE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING VERY HEAVY RAINFALL.
* THE FLASH FLOOD THREAT WILL BE GREATEST ACROSS SLOT CANYONS...
SLICK ROCK AREAS...NORMALLY DRY WASHES...SMALL STREAMS IN
STEEP TERRAIN AND NEAR RECENT BURN SCARS. IN ADDITION...URBAN
AREAS WITH POOR DRAINAGE WILL BE AT RISK OF FLOODING.
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
A FLASH FLOOD WATCH MEANS THAT CONDITIONS MAY DEVELOP THAT LEAD
TO FLASH FLOODING. FLASH FLOODING IS A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION.
YOU SHOULD MONITOR LATER FORECASTS AND BE PREPARED TO TAKE ACTION
IF FLASH FLOOD IS OBSERVED OR WARNINGS ARE ISSUED.
&&
$$
ROGOWSKI/MERRILL
FOR MORE INFORMATION FROM NOAA/S NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE VISIT...
HTTP://WEATHER.GOV/SALTLAKECITY (ALL LOWER CASE)
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Over the years, it seems to me that the amount of time for the water to dissipate is more reliant on conditions (wind and heat) than time.
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You guys are gonna worry yourselves to death!
Go play with your grand kids and see what The report on Saturday says! ;-)
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No worry just info for those who want a quick summary.
Radar is showing light rain on the race course area right now. About 0.1 inches in the last hour from this storm system.
Much heavier rain to the south though.
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Another thing to consider is that as of last Saturday there was NO salt under the water. When we drove out there were pot holes and standing slimey mud. You could not see salt under the shallowest of water levels. The mud layer was difficult to stand on and pushing anything resulted in loss of grip.
The pot holes developed over the few days we were there. On Wednesday not too bad, by Saturday rough enough to vibrate stuff loose.
DW
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Sounds like we could possibly be done for this year?
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The water in the pits was dirty enough that we couldn't see through it. Pork Pie and I were shuffling around with bare feet, trying to find the pair of wheel chocks that had been under the trailer wheels when we left it in the pits Wednesday. We never did find them.
But we did find lots of cones, both erect and tipped over. And they all had a layer of silt on the on the horizontal surfaces that had been submerged. I wonder how the silt got up and above the salt - - but it sure did. As we were driving in and out there we could see a few places where the water was clear enough to see through - and it looked like salt down below the waterline there. We didn't stop to inspect.
So - as for there being no salt I can't comment very well, but even if the water is completely dried in time for racing - - - I wonder how the silt is going to effect the courses? Will Bonneville have dust like El Mirage? What can I say but - Stay Tuned. :?
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I'm thinking your feet and tires acted like giant swizzle-sticks..............making salt brine. With a solid week of sun and mild breezes...........maybe, just maybe the BMST crew could begin to prepare the courses on Friday or Saturday. I'm hoping and praying for it to happen........even with a day's delay.
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Slim,
If you had slowed down some on your trips to and from the pits you would have noticed the increasing number of pot holes both on and adjacent to the #1 course. Did you notice the algae growing in the pot holes on Saturday?
DW
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Dan, I didn't think that my zooming speed of 12 - 15 mph was all that fast. I admit to not having stopped very many places to check the condition of the underwater surface. I went as slow as I did because I had been informed about the danger of creating potholes and other damage to the salt surface.
As for the salty water making it difficult to see (which Old Scrambler might be implying) - out by the pits the water was uniformly dirty and cloudy no matter if it had been driven or walked through. I commented on that, and how there was a think layer of the silt. That layer wouldn't have been so thick if had been stirred up. And when PP and I went "looking" for my wheel chocks we didn't find any potholes. That was the only place where I was out of the truck to see the salt underneath. As we drove I didn't find much in the way of potholes -- and we took different routes to and from Land's End each time -- according to my GPS. i didn't want to cause any unnecessary damage to the salt.
I sure do wish I hadn't parked the trailer out there when I did. Now not only did I (probably) damage the salt, but I also have to spend quite a bit more time and effort to clean the trailer and truck brakes. :-D
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In truth, not that many people (as if there were an actual meet) transversed the salt. But it was damaged. Everywhere we went for a short time, we found it damaged. Couldn't have been that much traffic after it was submerged. Maybe it's self-healing. If so, I wanna get a Sunday morning TV program and offer nature's self-healing to everyone -- if they take my tours.
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In truth, not that many people (as if there were an actual meet) transversed the salt.
Really?
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee171/4-BarrelMike/Bonneville%202014/RollingBones_zps4f8caf80.jpg)
Mike
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I don't think that is a 2014 photo Mike. I never saw the RB cars out of the NUgget parking lot.
DW
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That's very possible, Dan, although I received it this morning from a "usually reliable source" who was forwarding it along.
Mike
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Wow, better take that one apart when he gets home. There won't be nothing left if it if he does not.
BR
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Some other people and I watched a big Dodge pickup with a pushbar plowing it's way at a good clip for miles out on the lake on Monday just before sunset. I figured they wouldn't be doing the surface any good but consoled myself that the damage to the surface would have been equalled by the damage to the truck. They had a bow-wave above roof height they were going so hard......seemed brainless to me.
But what would I know. :roll:
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Something Doc and I discussed regarding Gairdner was the tides and the effect the moon has on large bodies of standing water. Both Gairdner and Bonneville are floating on water and silt.
A Gairdner local pointed out to Doc that on the perimeter of Gairdner, one can see high water marks as the water lifts and drops the salt.
On August 10th, the full moon was the closest it would be to the earth all year in the Northern Hemisphere. I'm thinking the extra water being worked upon by the gravitational pull of the moon may well have had the effect of moving and cracking the salt surface, causing the pot holes, and bringing the silt to the surface.
Just throwing it out there. I understand the DLRA now avoids booking their event during periods of a full moon.
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I haven't yet heard anything from Gary Wilkinson and Jim Burkdoll - who are at the salt today for their on-hand in person inspection and forecast of what's going to be doable. I'll be ready for them to contact me to give me the story for all of you. See? I've learned to wait and listen. :-)
Late edit: I just saw Monte's post about the Gary and Jim expedition. It's on the "World of Speed" topic. Go take a read. It looks like it'll be possible to run, if not on all four SCTA courses - at least the two that USFRA uses. :cheers: :cheers:
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Something Doc and I discussed regarding Gairdner was the tides and the effect the moon has on large bodies of standing water. Both Gairdner and Bonneville are floating on water and silt.
A Gairdner local pointed out to Doc that on the perimeter of Gairdner, one can see high water marks as the water lifts and drops the salt.
On August 10th, the full moon was the closest it would be to the earth all year in the Northern Hemisphere. I'm thinking the extra water being worked upon by the gravitational pull of the moon may well have had the effect of moving and cracking the salt surface, causing the pot holes, and bringing the silt to the surface.
Just throwing it out there. I understand the DLRA now avoids booking their event during periods of a full moon.
I know that there has been a lot of discussion on this with DLRA and they might base meet dates on the moon but I just can't believe the water that was on the salt was sufficient to be effected by the moon. Most 'experts' don't even think that there are tides in the Great Lakes but...
However, there is some disagreement on the subject. According to the Canadian Hydrologic/Hydrographic Service, the Great Lakes experience tides from 1 to 4 cm, the strongest being on Lakes Superior and Erie. ( http://www.great-lakes.net/teach/chat/answers/100100_tides.html ) (http://www.great-lakes.net/teach/chat/answers/100100_tides.html ))
So even if the largest of the Great Lakes can have a maximum tide of 4 cm (1.6 inches) then I'd think the small amount of water on the salt couldn't have a measurable tide at all. Now wind is a very different animal and come into play there all the time like it does in areas that also experience tides,
Sum
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Any new reports on weather and salt conditions?
How do things look for the Bonneville Motorcycle Speed trials?
Is anyone up there at this time doing course prep?
THANKS
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Current forecast calls for 20%-30% chance of showers through Saturday.
Too early in the day to say much about today's chances.
Last I heard they had 8 miles on the international course dry enough for runs and USFRA figured they would have good courses 2 and 3 to run WOS.
I have not seen any recent updates though.
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Current forecast calls for 20%-30% chance of showers through Saturday.
Too early in the day to say much about today's chances.
Last I heard they had 8 miles on the international course dry enough for runs and USFRA figured they would have good courses 2 and 3 to run WOS.
I have not seen any recent updates though.
That means there is a 70-80% chance it won't rain!!!!!!!! :-D
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The latest Wendover forecast calls for 20% on Friday and 40% on Saturday. Next week looks nice and dry though.
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Looks like the salt flats and mountains to the West are getting hit with rain at 4:15 PST.
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Heavy T-storms all along the Wasatch tonight. Inch/hour here right now.
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Has anybody else taken a look at Wendover weather this morning? The radar shows what looks one heck of a lot like rain over the race track area. Maybe your radar shows something a little more favorable. :?
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Has anybody else taken a look at Wendover weather this morning? The radar shows what looks one heck of a lot like rain over the race track area. Maybe your radar shows something a little more favorable. :?
Afraid not, :cry:
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The Utah DOT camera at mileage marker 11.8 ( I80 Liveview WB @ Milepost 11.8 TE ) shows clouds over the salt and water on the camera, but currently, a beautiful sunrise.
http://udottraffic.utah.gov/
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I was just looking at the radar over the track. It sure looked like it was raining. Better now than later I guess.
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Unless you're there, now.
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One hour storm total radar is currently showing a "trace" of rainfall over the track area. Lots of clouds on radar does not necessarily translate to rain.
A trace is less than 0.1 inch. ie just a very light occasional sprinkle or intermittent spitting not a steady rainfall.
So far so good hope it clears. Forecast calls for 40% chance of rain this afternoon, so only time will tell how things shake out.
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No,clouds don't equate to rain -- but radar does a fairly good job off showing the difference between clouds and rain, doesn't it? I'm not sure of just how to interpret the radar screens - so I'll be visiting our local NOAA weather station day after tomorrow for their open house. And then maybe I'll learn better how to read the radar.
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... I'm not sure of just how to interpret the radar screens ...
Go here...
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.7371524&lon=-114.03751019999999&site=all&smap=1&searchresult=Wendover%2C%20UT%2C%20USA#.U_Ysa6MxjF-
Then down the screen on the right to "RADAR & SATELLITE IMAGES"
Click on the left one.
Then you have options on the left.
Rainfall:
1-Hour Total Loop
Storm Total Loop
Choose one or the other and you will have rainfall "estimated" amounts for the current storm (times for the current storm are at the top of the map).
Of some interest. The course is over the "d" in Wendover and Floating Mountain (Floating Island) is over the "v". That gives you an idea where the course is, but most of the water comes from the mountains to the west of the course,
Sum
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I can do that, but what I want to learn is how to meaningfully interpret the various colors of the display correctly so I can get an idea of what's here and what's on the way. I've managed, over the past few years, to figure out where the various things out at the race course are (Floating Island, the track, etc) - just want to better read the weather radar. You know -- the pretty color bar on the right side of the display. It shows colors as related to numbers - but doesn't tell me which color/number means rain, which is fog, and so on.
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On the composite radar image and the base reflectivity radar, the scale on the right is in DBZ, which is a measure of how strong the radar reflection is which is being returned by the cloud.
They also have two different "modes" for weather radar, a so called clear air mode which is very sensitive (can pickup heavy smoke, blowing dust, large swarms of bugs or flocks of birds).
The radar is usually in this mode if you see no echos distant from the radar site and a lot of clutter near the radar.
In the "precip" mode it takes a stronger reflection to show up on the radar plot.
Quick and dirty guide:
As a rule of thumb (as a storm chaser) don't worry much about reflections below 35 dbz, those can be just puffy clouds with no significant rain potential.
35 - 45 dbz you are starting to get some rain potential but mostly light rain
45 -55 dbz potential for strong rain
over 55 dbz probably a strong thunderstorm, 65 dbz storms are big bad thunderstorms that can dump inches of rain, or heavy hail.
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/mkx/?n=using-radar
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/srh/jetstream/doppler/baserefl.htm
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The best way to determine rainfall is the North American native Indian way. Put a small rock in your palm and hold it out stretched, palm up. If the rock gets wet, it is raining!
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The best way to determine rainfall is the North American native Indian way. Put a small rock in your palm and hold it out stretched, palm up. If the rock gets wet, it is raining!
Unless you are standing too close to the sprinkler.
Forecast showing a 70% chance of rain today and tonight, flow out of the south west at the moment, all precip (trace amounts) occurring north and west of the flats.
Precipitable water in the Wendover area is 0.75 inches which is the maximum amount of water in the atmosphere available for precipitation. This is 1.32x the normal for this time of year.
There is currently a low pressure trough near the flats which will slide southeast followed by a cold front later today.
Today:
Cloudy. A chance of rain showers and a slight chance of thunderstorms late in the morning...then rain showers likely and a chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 80s. South winds 10 to 20 mph early in the afternoon...switching to the northwest late in the afternoon. chance of precipitation 70 percent.
Tonight:
Mostly cloudy with rain showers likely and a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then partly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows around 60. chance of precipitation 70 percent.
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I still think your confused , based upon your misguided analysis of SCTA's decision making at SW....The veterans who we're there werent suckers....forecast means nothing compared to boots on the ground
And who do you think I was talking to on Thursday night during the downpour!...it was “boots on the ground”. And that is also why I sent Scott Andrews an email asking him to make a decision before 3:00pm hotel check-in time.
I’m sorry you are missing my point. All of us are extremely motivated to have an event take place. And with the amount of money involved, it is perfectly logical for SCTA to make a decision with extreme caution. Sometimes reality is slow to take place due to our love of the sport, emotions, and good old bureaucracy. The point I’m making is that hundreds of people have reservations to cancel. The timing of that can save thousands of dollars for individuals. Some are lucky enough to have a 24 cancelation notice. Others with non-refundable reservations are not so lucky. A cancelation made before 3:00pm check-in would save at least 1 days charge and maybe more depending on the hotel. Because of that I asked Scott to try and make a decision before 3:00 with no expectation it would happen. SCTA has thousands of things to consider and their decision is the right thing for them. I only have to worry about myself and did the right thing for me.
I remember when you started this site and I respect all that you have accomplished on the salt. It is clear you consider yourself a veteran. It’s a shame that many times your great experience results in know-it-all, condescending replies. A lot of us have been on the salt before you were born. While we all have big egos we try to hide it from the forum.
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In truth, not that many people (as if there were an actual meet) transversed the salt.
Really?
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee171/4-BarrelMike/Bonneville%202014/RollingBones_zps4f8caf80.jpg)
Mike
You know how that pic isn't from 2014? Because the car in the background is on dry salt. There was no dry salt!
Funny how crap makes it way around the internet. I had the same thing forwarded to me from my in-laws of all people and someone at some point had added "omg what was this guy thinking?" to it. Yes, most racers will drive whatever they're driving through a foot of salt water to go racing.
And Stan is right... there was practically no one on the salt..
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....A cancelation made before 3:00pm check-in would save at least 1 days charge and maybe more depending on the hotel. Because of that I asked Scott to try and make a decision before 3:00 with no expectation it would happen...
I hope they never make a decision based on if we might have to pay an extra day's room charge or not. It would be nice, but if they can't make a decision until say eight at night I'll be good with that and yes we went and did pay for rooms but shit happens and we did get to visit with people that we might not get a chance to see again for a year :-),
Sumner
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Don't forget this live camera from above Bonneville.
Normal position is toward Wendover all the way to the right.
Pan way to the left all the gear, the small pole, past the big pole and you can find the bend in the road and the racing surface. As of 2:37 PDT Friday it looks like rain.
http://206.197.88.69/home/homeJ.html (http://206.197.88.69/home/homeJ.html)
You may have to fight your Java application to see this.
Java>Configure Java>Security>Edit Site List>http://206.197.88.69>add
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I still think your confused , based upon your misguided analysis of SCTA's decision making at SW....The veterans who we're there werent suckers....forecast means nothing compared to boots on the ground
I remember when you started this site and I respect all that you have accomplished on the salt. It is clear you consider yourself a veteran. It’s a shame that many times your great experience results in know-it-all, condescending replies. A lot of us have been on the salt before you were born. While we all have big egos we try to hide it from the forum.
G'day Saltfever ....I think you will find it was Joe's brother Jon who should be credited with the formation of this web site ......Joe is Joe and we love him for it :wink:
shalom :-)
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Jon started this site...:)..not I...
I actually dont consider myself a veteran...its all relative...
I think caring, passion and reality mixed with sarcasm can be made to feel condescending, saltfever I hope
if you didnt already have the links I provided to the Bonn. Speed Trial FB site and Mike Cook
shootout FB site, that they might be of help in seeing what is happening on the salt
I am also glad SCTA didnt let hotel check in times get in the way of more global
decision making, just as Im glad that USFRA didnt cancel in 2009 when it was a lake, even
though some who had driven 3-4 days turned around at the access road and went home at the
initial site
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You know how that pic isn't from 2014? Because the car in the background is on dry salt. There was no dry salt!
Yep...
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/hooley/2007-11.jpg)
... was 2007 and I remember it well. It is also part of the reason I haven't been driving the truck and teardrop in the last couple years (along with an engine problem). I need to work on the truck and teardrop now so that I wouldn't be so embarrassed if someone saw them. Have the teardrop in the shop now and hopefully the truck next (race car on hold again :cry:),
Sum
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I see that the BMST is/are proceeding this morning. They did get some rain out there last night - something like 1/16rd of an inch. That'd be nothing at all in the grand scheme of things. Stay tuned for more information and if you hear something -- post it here for all, please.
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Love those photos and it's why I've never kept a truck over 8 years. Unless you do a frame off restoration it's impossible to get the salt damage out especially in a leaf spring car or trailer. That's why trailers break 2/3 years later (u-bolts, hangers, leafs, rear door hinges, etc)'
All the rinsing and sprinkler washing will never get it all out.......
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Weather conditions other than rain have caused delay and/or cancellation of meets. Like wind. A few years ago we had a Drivers Meeting in blustery wind. We were told the meet would start as soon as the wind subsided. Wrong. The wind stopped just in time for the rain to cancel the meet.
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Two questions, HOW MUCH WATER AT LANDS END AND HOW DOES IT LOOK FOR THE W.O.S? Make it three, did any of the big 4 m/c streamliners show up at the BUB or what ever the are calling it now?
KANSAS BAD MAN or what ever you call ME :-D
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try this Bad Man
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,14289.30.html
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Thanks Richard 2
MAX :cheers: