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Bonneville Motorcycle Speed Trials => Bville Motorcycle Speed Trials General Chat => Topic started by: shiphteey on July 28, 2006, 11:36:23 PM
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back to the pits w/out a tow vehicle? I couldn't convince anyone to drive 33 hours each way with me :lol:
Do I just have to beg a spectator or fellow racer to meet me down there w/my vehicle every run??!?!
Thanks
A.
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Ali, here are a couple of ways around your dilemma. But first -- yup, you can't drive a race vehicle except on the race course. You've got to be trailered, towed, pushed, or airlifted from pits to start and finish back to pits.
Simplest, but not necessarily easiest: Get a nice, long rope, have someone drive your car/truck/4-wheeler ATV with the rope attached to the radio antenna or some other secure point, and you, sitting on the bike, hold the other end. You get towed around that way. Your hand will get really tired, it's not especially safe, and I wouldn't do it (again -- I've done it) unless there's absolutely no other way. If you're by yourself -- don't worry, you shouldn't hae much troulbe finding a volunteer from the spectating world to drive your rig.
Or you could try to find someone with a simple trailer that is willing to help you out -- maybe his race vehicle has already broken or got its' record.
Or you could tell me that your car/truck has a 2" receiver with at least 15" ground clearance and I'll bring my spare thingie for solving your problem. You plug the device into the receiver and roll the front wheel of the bike onto it, then strap the bars to the bumper of the tow vehicle -- and Viola, you're towing your bike. You'll still need someone to drive the car/truck from the start to come fetch you at the end, of course.
let me know if I should bring the thing for you.
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Would be a lot easier to race your M/C at the Bub Meet and RIDE your bike back to the pit/starting line.
Just a thought!!!!
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Would be a lot easier to race your M/C at the Bub Meet and RIDE your bike back to the pit/starting line.
Just a thought!!!!
That's not very safe!!!!!
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Remember if you qualify for a record you have a time limit to get to impound. It best to have someone to get you back. I would do what Jon W . suggested and borrow the retriever set up he was. There will be no shortage of people willing to help you. :shock:
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SCTA/BNI used to allow us to ride our bikes back.....but the rules changed......It is safe if there is proper control!!!!!!
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BAK
The rules changed because people do not obey them. Some one riding back at a high speed don't get it. The rules won't change and will be inforced.
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Haha....I think I'm gonna like it here :lol:
Definately gonna do BUBs over the others. From what I understand its
1) cheaper
2) more runs
3) more lax
4) given the 1st week of september slot its cheaper as far as hotels.
I will have to jump online and pre-register soon from the looks of things! I will be bringing a buddy out on a 1000....so our costs will be split (except for the nitrous :lol: )
Looking forward to meeting you all there. Once I pick up a copy of the rulebook I'll post w/whatever my dumbass still doesn't get :lol:
Thanks again Jon and everyone else! Jon, every time I see a Maxton pic of me I looking like a friggin retard! I'm doing some sort of chicken gesture in the pic you posted, in another one I'm loading the 12 w/someone and I'm doing something w/my arm that makes me look retarded (no offense to those that are or have friends/fam that are)....another w/some weird face w/Dave O. Ah whatever.... :lol:
A.
I thought from this post on the previous thread he is going to BUB. Jon are you going to Speed Week and BUB??? I didn't think you were.
c ya, Sum
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No, Sum, Nancy and I plan to attend SpeedWeek and World of Speed this year, as well as the two remaining ECTA events, but NOT Bub's. We need to visit the house once in a while in between -- leave Marquette for the Salt this coming Wednesday and return home on the 21st. Then, 2 1/2 weeks later, leave again for the Salt and come home on the scenic route that takes us from Wendover to Marquette via Maxton -- another 2 1/2-week trip. There's not enough time for a visit to Bub's, too.
I'm not speaking for Ali, but I think I remember that he's thinking of both SpeedWeek AND Bub's, and your snippet supports that.
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If your vehicle has air you should have no trouble at all getting someone to drive down and pick you up. LOL Really there will be lots of people there that are just waiting to help someone.
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SCTA/BNI used to allow us to ride our bikes back.....but the rules changed......It is safe if there is proper control!!!!!!
Too many not doing proper control :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Ali if you are going to Speedweek you could pit with us. We have extra shade and a lot of helpers this year so something could probably be worked out getting you to the line and picking you up.
c ya, Sum
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That's not very safe!!!!![/quote]
The DLRA allows cars and bikes Etc to drive /ride to the start line and return to the pits after their run under the race vehicles own power , we have had ZERO problems to date and I hope that continues as there are a great number of "lone wolves" who attend our meet, I personally would be very agreaved if the DLRA ever went to the system used at Bonneville ,just plain dumb and a great impost on those without a team .
Gary
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You don't have 500 entries on two courses, we don't let people ride in the back of pick ups either. All rules are for a purpose. One person can ruin it for a lot of others and it has happened,thats why there are rules.
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That's not very safe!!!!!
The DLRA allows cars and bikes Etc to drive /ride to the start line and return to the pits after their run under the race vehicles own power , we have had ZERO problems to date and I hope that continues as there are a great number of "lone wolves" who attend our meet, I personally would be very agreaved if the DLRA ever went to the system used at Bonneville ,just plain dumb and a great impost on those without a team .
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Gary I agree with Glen. If you get to b'ville you will see the need for it at least at Speed Week. There are thousands of people in the pits and near the starting area. Common sense would tell you which vehicles might be able to go under their own power (one would be they have insurance) but where do you draw the line between vehicles and say yours is safe to drive off the track and yours isn't??
I feel it is a small price to pay to avoid the meet getting shut down by some lawyers and litigation. Might not be a problem over there, but it is over here.
I'm glad your system is working for you guys and continued good luck with it.
c ya, Sum
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How is this for rules......back in the late 1980 I was racing a "roadracer" at Speedweek that had to be bump (pushed to you car guys)
I bumpt the bike off in the pits
and was stopped by a "official" and told as the rules stated no riding in the pits....and I was told for me and my crew to get OFF the salt because I violated the "rules".
It took me forever to explain to many "officials" why I was riding my bike....I was told O.K. for now
but next year find a way to start your bike without pushing. The pit rule came in effect at the same time as no more return riding.
We all know that SCTA/BNI is primarily a car club...and they always tow their cars back after a run...so no problem for them. In past years BUB has had control on the return road to hold speeding down...and you can even ride in the back of the truck...but when I race BNI I know I better follow their rules or I am off the salt. Hey..rules are rules
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I have noted that in all my years of racing BNI and/ or SCTA (since 1954 of and on) that when you ask about certain rules.... the first answer one gets..."our insurance
states we cannot allow that"
More then 50 of my 70 years I have been involved in racing...some of it in promoting events, and I know a little about what is involved with insuring a race event, so that answer "insurance says No" is just a easy way to put the blame outside the organization. But..Hey...like I said before you want to play..you have to play be their rules..... or stay home.
P.S. We are all hoping for the best regarding Jack Dolan
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Quite a lot of responses!
Well, for starters, I'm only going to BUBs this year. Sept 4-9th I believe.
I am still not clear on whether riding your bike back is allowed or not.
I am thankful that there are plenty of people out there that would help, I appreciate that. There is a guy from the zx12 board that said he would spectate and help.
Nevertheless, being as that I'm going solo, I would not want to be "dependent" on "variables" if you know what I mean.
I have dellusional thoughts about towing my bike there w/a 1.0 3 cyl 5 speed geo. Works ok for Maxton but that would be quite a trek 33 hours each way. I'm on the fence right now, van or p/u.
Although the idea of having a moped and a van (over a p/u since a p/u is somewhat high to load solo) may be the ticket....
Decisions, decisions........
A.
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Hey Shiphteey.......Yes...Yes
At the BUB Meet you can ride your
bike back....We know in the rule book it has stated no riding back
......but forget about that.....
They have "Run Whatya Brung" class
where a rider rides his or her street-bike to the Meet.....gets two runs on the salt.....a time slip......rides home and hangs the time slip on the wall for all to see. You got it now...
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Gotcha....but for the record I plan on running as much as possible! Screw that 2 run chit! I'm driving 33 hours each way! Gotta make it worth my while!
I either blow the motor, run outta money, die, or run outta time...hopefully the latter :lol:
Looking forward to seeing everyone out there...especially the 12s :wink:
A.
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Hey man....get real....and get a live
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:lol:
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Gotcha....but for the record I plan on running as much as possible! Screw that 2 run chit! I'm driving 33 hours each way! Gotta make it worth my while!
I either blow the motor, run outta money, die, or run outta time...hopefully the latter :lol:
Looking forward to seeing everyone out there...especially the 12s :wink:
A.
I'm not sure where your driving from,but it gets Super Hot out there all day long under the SUN :!:
Water and Shade are Very Rare around there! :wink:
So Be prepared for Heat Stroke or at LEAST a Bad case of SUNBURN :shock:Bonneville is Not the Easiest Place in the World to Race Solo but it can be done! 8)
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I thought the rule was started to ensure that in the case where the race vehicle had a problem that he had immediate help on the way to get him off the course?? We'[ve always tried to keep the pickup vehcle as close behind rider as possible as we would be closest fire extinguisher, cb etc..
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yup, you can't drive a race vehicle except on the race course.
Slim: I've seen you run several years at Speed Week, and I would like to run at next year's BUB - Run Watcha Brung.
Do the tow rules apply to this group? Eric
Now I see the posts that say I can ride back. This would simplify things greatly.
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Eric
You cannot ride your bike back to the pits after a run.
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Eric (and Glen):
You MAY ride your race bike to and from the race course at the Bub's meet (I believe that's still the rule).
You MAY NOT ride your race vehicle to and from the race course at an SCTA/BNI meet.
You're both right, sort of, a little bit.
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What part of YES.....don't you guys understand..........If you race the BUB MEET
you can ride your bike back to the pit's/starting line. That is the way it has been for the last 3 years running......and I don't believe it will be any different for 2007.!!!!
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OOPS, I was refering to SCTA/BNI events, what they do at BUB and other venues I don't know about. But the size of Our meets we need very tight controls in the name of safety and control.
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Eric (and Glen):
You're both right, sort of, a little bit.
Damn... You're such a poeple pleaser Jon. Tell them they are both wrong like you meant to! :twisted:
Why aren't you on the road yet?
Todd
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The rule that does not allow a race vehicle to move under it's own power except
in the restricted racing area at SCTA events is their own rule and others are not subject to it.
The origin of the rule is related to the mix of return and access road
traffic that is largely uncontrolled with respect to speed and direction.
Less traffic = fewer rules and resultant abuses.
Is that what we are trying to say ? :wink:
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Is that what we are trying to say ? :wink:
That's the ticket...
It's organizationally dependent, not locationally independent.
Todd
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AAH, I guess so.
Understanding the origin of the rule goes a long ways towards
compliance. LOL :wink:
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I am planning on running at Bub this September and therefore I would like to coonfirm what was said earlier - and that is...... That I will be allowed to ride my bike to the starting line and back to the pit at the 2007 Bub event - I will be running a street legal zx-14.
Questin 2 - assuming this is correct - is there any reason that it would be preferable to have a towing vehicle accompany me to the starting line and/or pick me up at the end of the track - for example - to find shade from the sun - access to an air conditioned vehicle while waiting - to keep salt from accumulating on the bike????? Thanks for the feedback.
KSP
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Answer 2: All are good reasons to have a support vehicle. Add in conserving fuel (if your bike had a tiny fuel tank, of course, not if it's stock -- then this isn't a problem), having a place to sit and get into your leathers so you don't have to stand in the hot sun, all suited up, sweating, perspiring, getting faint, etc. Also think about how nice it is to have a cold drink handy, to have a rear stand in the car/truck so you can more easily do last-minute stuff to your bike (lube chain, scrape salt off tires, check oil, etc).