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Thrust-powered Land Speed information => Discussions on absolute land speed records => Topic started by: F104A on July 31, 2013, 12:12:25 PM
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The July 27th update is online. It covers our 3 day display at the Seattle, Boeing museum of flight event. We
loaded out on Sunday night for the next event which is the display at the National Instruments national conference
in Austin, TX. I'll bed heading directly to Speedweek where Cam, Jessi Combs and I will be working with
both The Original Fastguys C/Gas Lakester and the Dean's Thundersalt rear engine modified. When we return
from Speedweek, we immediatley get into preparation for the first two weeks of October speed runs at
the Alvord Desert. Going to be very busy for the next couple months.
http://landspeed.com/project/project-updates/206-july-27-2013.
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Check out our presentation at the National Instruments Conference in Austin, TX.
Keith did a great job in fron to 4700 engineers, technicians and scientists.\
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaee6Dapiuo
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Here we are, sitting at "The Ranch" waiting for the wind to stop blowing. It seems to have stopped raining for
the time being. Watching the weather channel to see what's coming our way. Lakebed is really beat up and soft
in spots. Been looking for a good track all day.
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Good luck Ed,
DW
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ditto, hope you get some seat time going fast..!
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Go get em! No mud!
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Was dry and clear today. Car is ready and so am I.............!!
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Let me guess ------------------ area closed by non functioning, non required government. :? :? :?
Pete
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Any news? Really hoping you get a chance to run!
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they have been running....
saw this on FB : from Ed
"The data from these runs still needs to be analyzed to gain a better idea of what speeds the North American Eagle ran at today."
"Two runs today following our test plan. Vehicle is running very good after a full day of refinements. Car needs to be fueled and we will be out first thing Sunday morning for test run number 5":)
i suggested a screen shot from the data logger mph....:)...
maybe a pic of a gps readout...:)...or what a iphone recorded...
it sure looked by the info that they are having fun...and getting much needed time making runs and evaluating results/numbers etc..
Jessi Combs driving...
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(http://www.jessicombs.com/Awesomenss/News/Entries/2013/6/15_North_American_Eagle_Welcomes_Combs_to_the_Team_files/shapeimage_1.png)
http://www.jessicombs.com/Awesomenss/News/Entries/2013/6/15_North_American_Eagle_Welcomes_Combs_to_the_Team.html (http://www.jessicombs.com/Awesomenss/News/Entries/2013/6/15_North_American_Eagle_Welcomes_Combs_to_the_Team.html)
Interesting!
Mike
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what does that mean The data from these runs still needs to be analyzed to gain a better idea of what speeds the North American Eagle ran at today. that makes no since at all. so there is no speedo of any kind in the car to tell them how fast that they went. i know that they are testing other things on the car but i am intrested in how fast that they are running. ed has run the car up to 400mph so my question is on any of the runs did they run faster then that. should be a simple answer yes or no.
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We use a global navigation system provided by Topcon. It is dropping out during the runs so we don't get accurate data. I also carried a "Smart phone"
in my pocket but it didn't work. It had the speed app installed and it works in the regular car but around 400 in the jet it not only didn't capture the speed but
also wiped out all the contact file. The air speed indicator is not very accurate but gave an approximate speed of 400 MPH. I ran from the two mile
marker to the 4 mile at full military power (compressor only) then full afterburner from the 4 to the 5 mile. We cannot power any further as we only
have another 2.8 miles past the 5 mile marker and we get into rocks on the surface. Total usable course available to us is about 8 miles.
The surface is beautiful but some rocks have appeared across the lakebed and one of them took a big chunk out of the nose wheel. We'll continue
running this week to see what we can squeeze out of the short course.
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I thought that I say a posting the Valerie Thompson was going to run NA Eagle for women's LSR?
Joe
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Ed GOOD ON YA for the runs....!!
also..I hope you are figuring out how to show/proove mph as that is the game and
goal everyone including potential sponsors is looking for, and having all the speed measurment
systems revealed to date no working simultaneously is certainly not helping....
Joe..Valerie was one iteration ago in the women pilot saga....
the celebratory pics shown earlier with Jessi were at a photo shoot when they announced her
addition.......before any runs made.....im guessing she will be even more excited now..?..
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Not quite sure how fast you went? Did Jessie drive at all? Will you use better timing if you go for a record?
Where are the videos and photos? Did these test runs really happen in a Hollywood sound stage?
Do you want spectators or are you hiding in the desert in a galaxy far far away? Go fast NAE!
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ski....evidentally its easier to post progress on Facebook than the website..:) d/t them running I guess, im sure
one of their masterful crew techno gurus will update their website....maybe even live one day...
great shots and updates on Ed's FB
https://www.facebook.com/shadleed
also on:
https://www.facebook.com/chasingclouds.net
also on:
https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmericanEagle
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This is taking on the appearance of the posed NASA moon walk ... that some say was done on a movie set.
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Race teams usually scream their unofficial speeds from the highest mountain, so it does seem discouraging that no numbers have been mentioned. I wish them the best of luck and hope they go 800.
Here it is in actual motion:
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I really want to see ed and his crew get a chance to run for the record and bring it back to AMERICA but unless they get a big chunk of money from some big company i do not think its going to happen. i feel that if the NAE does not get to run for the record that BLOODHOUND or the AUSSIE INVADER are going to put the mark beyond the reach of the NAE. i know that ed and his crew have been working a long time to get there chance but time is slipping away. i hope that someone steps up soon with the money to get it done.
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Looks like NAE went 302 mph according to Jessi Combs FB site.
At least she got to make a run. Only 200 mph for the ladies record.
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there is no "ladies" record....according to any of the sanctioning bodies...
guinness is another story..for men its sometimes FIM...according to them:
leslie porterfield
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/01/21/fastest-woman-on-two-wheels-has-land-speed-record-in-her-sights/
who was a former NAE pilot..
or perhaps valerie thompson...a former NAE pilot...
http://www.lesliekays.com/blog/index.php/2012/06/16/valerie-thompson-the-fastest-woman-on-two-wheels/
both were former worlds fastest females to some standard...
one at just over 200 mph, one at just over 232 mph...
or Lee Breedlove: over 300 mph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_speed_record
or Kitty Oneil 512 mph average...
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/deaf-stuntwoman-kitty-oneil-sets-womens-land-speed-record
i guess pick the one that suits your fancy......................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On the topic of fast ladies, lets not forget the three ladies that exceeded 300 mph in the last 66 feet of a 1000 foot course from a dead stop this past weekend in Reading Pa. A feat they do some 20 odd weekends a year.
(One's dad is even in the Bonneville 200 mph club)!
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I posted a 450 mph run this morning and Jessi ran 302 this afternoon. We only have 5 miles of run then 3 miles of shutdown until you get into
the rocks. The wind was blowing like mad all day. Tomorrow it is cooling down with a weather front expected to arrive late Wednesday with
snow expected.
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Congratulations everyone involved.
Good progress being made by the sounds of it.
jon
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Great to hear it's going well! After all these years of seeing cars in workshops (ours included!) it's very exciting to know there's a car actually running in the desert!
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there is no "ladies" record....according to any of the sanctioning bodies...
guinness is another story..for men its sometimes FIM...according to them:
leslie porterfield
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/01/21/fastest-woman-on-two-wheels-has-land-speed-record-in-her-sights/
who was a former NAE pilot..
or perhaps valerie thompson...a former NAE pilot...
http://www.lesliekays.com/blog/index.php/2012/06/16/valerie-thompson-the-fastest-woman-on-two-wheels/
both were former worlds fastest females to some standard...
one at just over 200 mph, one at just over 232 mph...
or Lee Breedlove: over 300 mph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_speed_record
or Kitty Oneil 512 mph average...
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/deaf-stuntwoman-kitty-oneil-sets-womens-land-speed-record
i guess pick the one that suits your fancy......................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe, did you know Kitty Oneil is a South Dakota girl? South Dakota magazine did a good article on here a while back.
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copied from FB:.....This just in folks, @[135210683162354:274:Jessi Combs] unofficially broke the Women's Land Speed Record! She ran a 344.002 MPH average over a measured mile, with a top speed of 382 MPH!
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Just got the e-mail -
CONGRATULATIONS JESSE, AND TO EVERYONE AT NAE! :cheers:
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382 is fantastic, but did I miss something? I thought they were shooting for 513?
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copied from FB:.....This just in folks, @[135210683162354:274:Jessi Combs] unofficially broke the Women's Land Speed Record! She ran a 344.002 MPH average over a measured mile, with a top speed of 382 MPH!
:-o :-o So why is Kitty's 512mph average run being ignored??
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3 wheels... or 4 wheels?
bob
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My question is how was it timed and by who?
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I don't know if this is the answer, but it could be. Kitty did it in a Rocket powered vehicle, Jesse did it in a jet.
Just my guess, but I found this on the FIA site.
Tom G.
Category C:
Special vehicles complying with the definition given at Art.13.
These records may be subdivided according to the type of engine
used (jet,rocket, etc.).
The use of moveable aerodynamic devices is permitted.
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kitty was FIM...sanctioned ...:)...
and i suppose still has the "course" record, as it also happened
on Alvord...over 30 yrs ago.....
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The NAE Facebook page posted a clarification that the record they unofficially broke today is "for the FIA".
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Dean the NAE headline most recently (after the one you cited: is Jessie Combs BROKE the FIA record......
3 different sites indicate it....
and
Jessi Combs has SET a new Women's Land Speed Record.....
https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmericanEagle
and
http://landspeed.com/press/232-jessi-combs-sets-new-womens-land-speed-record
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Jessi Combs Sets New Women’s Land Speed Record
Her 344.002mph Average Beats 1965 Record by 36mph
ALVORD DESERT, Oregon (October 8, 2013) – Jessi Combs has broken the women’s land speed record with a two-way average speed of 344 miles per hour. That mark surpasses the previous FIA women’s land speed record of 308mph set in 1965 by Lee Breedlove, wife of former world land speed record holder Craig Breedlove. Combs drove the North American Eagle (NAE) Supersonic Speed Challenger vehicle on the dry lakebed at the Alvord Desert in southeastern Oregon.
At 10:38am Pacific time, Combs blazed through the measured mile at 318.2057 mph. “That felt so rad. I want to do it again,” said Combs after coming to a stop at the north end of the course. Combs only went into afterburner briefly during her first pass. The afterburner nearly doubles the thrust of the jet engine. “You need to get a bit more speed,” said team owner Ed Shadle. “So somewhere between the 3 and 4 mile mark, you may want to see what full AB feels like.” “Did you just give me the okay to go into full afterburner?” asked Combs with a big grin.
Climbing back into the cockpit after the vehicle was turned around, the crew restarted the Eagle’s jet engine and Combs roared off. This time, she did indeed go into full afterburner. At 11:30am, Combs recorded a speed of 369.7983 mph, for a record-setting two-way average speed of 344.002 mph. She hit a top speed of 382.8 mph on her second pass. The rules require that a driver make two passes across a measured course, once in each direction, with the second pass completed within 60 minutes of the first. Officials then average the two speeds.
The vehicle Combs drove, the North American Eagle Supersonic Speed Challenger, is a 14,000 pound, 50,000 horsepower converted F 104 Lockheed Starfighter jet that once served as a chase plan for the X-15 and SR-71. The all-volunteer team of American and Canadian engineers and former military personnel converted the F-104 into a jet-powered car designed to travel at more than 800mph.
Asked what it felt like to go into full afterburner mode, Combs’ grin got even larger. “It’s amazing,” she said. “It changes the entire ride. Why didn’t you let me do this on the first run?” she asked Shadle. “It was the greatest feeling I’ve ever had in my life.”
Combs is an automotive metal fabricator and currently co-hosts All Girls Garage (Velocity by the Discovery Channel) and The List: 1001 Car Things to do Before You Die (AutoBlog). Previous television appearances include Mythbusters and Overhaulin’ (Discovery Channel), Xtreme 4x4 (Spike TV), and Two Guys Garage (Speed Channel).
In 2014, Shadle will drive the Eagle in an attempt to break the current world land speed record of 763 mph. With the current British record holders at work on a new vehicle of their own, the NAE team is not only faced with the challenge of breaking the current record, they are also in a race with the British to be the first to set a new land speed record.
Contact:
Ed Shadle / North American Eagle
shadleed@q.com / 253-228-0380
www.landspeed.com
David Cohn / NAE press contact
david@dscohn.com / 360-961-3087
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I wonder if there's an FIA official there? I was under the impression that the FIA / FIM folks were slow to certify records.
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Lets get real here there was no record set she just went faster then lee breedlove did. As it was stated before there is no offical womens land speed record. This is all being done to try and get someone to come up with the money so ed can try and break the record that thrust ssc set in 97. I myself could care less how fast she went.
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miss Jessie is not taking baby steps.
or is she ?
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It goes beyond any record, regardless of the sanctioning, and regardless of the nature of it.
What we have here is a high profile event that further tests the capabilities of the NAE, that draws some MUCH NEEDED attention to the effort, and one where further data can be gathered to move the program forward.
Provided the data collection is working properly, all of those goals have been achieved.
If there's a record that comes with it, THAT will draw the interest of the unwashed masses, and possibly the dollars necessary to help underwrite the effort.
I won't poo poo any of this - congratulations have been earned by this team. :cheers:
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Kitty O'Neil set a FIM timed speed driving the 3 wheeled Motivator, Lee Breedlove was FIA timed with Craig's 4 wheeled Spirit of America. The women's record is more about bragging rights and publicity than anything else as officially there is no such thing. What disappoints here with the NAE is that it is only on the day that the true mission target of 308mph is revealed when the Guiness record had previously been spoken of. If this is merely a stepping stone to going after Kitty's speed then that's fine but it now needs to be made clear what the project's intentions are, a 520mph+ women's "record" would add huge credibilty to the NAE's cause.
Phil
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October 7th, Ed posted in reply #12, "Global Navigation system was dropping out so no accurate data",,"Pocket Phone couldnt keep up and fried",, "The Air Speed Indicator is not very accurate, gave a approximate speed",,
October 8th, all this talk about "Worlds Fastest", "FIA gets a mention", i dont see "Subject to Ratification" anywhere,,
sort of says it all, dont it,,, :-D :roll:
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It goes beyond any record, regardless of the sanctioning, and regardless of the nature of it.
What we have here is a high profile event that further tests the capabilities of the NAE, that draws some MUCH NEEDED attention to the effort, and one where further data can be gathered to move the program forward.
Indeed that is what the exercise seems to have done on social media. It is all PR 'puff'.
If the FIA had been represented then all of the claims on FB etc. would result in the FIA records commission not ratifying the NAE speed attempt. The FIA has procedures and practices far removed from most National record setting practices and as a World body the Land Speed Record Commission members are spread far and wide across eight to ten countries. They take time to digest the reports sent to them from the officials before a record is 'homologated'.
For the minimal amount of driving time Jessi has done a steady and safe job at the controls (I was going to say wheel but NAE does not have one). Other TV show presenters have had problems in the past. :-(
In the early days of Jet cars the FIA did not care about the number of wheels in the 'Jet Unlimited' class that they created in haste after the FIM approved the Spirit of America record which meant that Donald Campbell, running an FIA automobile, was never the fastest on land. Nowadays the FIA are for four and more wheels and FIM are for three or two (except in the Quad racing classes where the bike steering affects the front two and two more provide drive!).
Malcolm, Derby, England
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Several of you hit the nail on the head. It is done in a Hollywood set as a reality show. We're not really in the Alvord Desert and Jessi is not a real human person and neither am I,
we made it all up! End of Story.....!
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Rick,
first, she run under the 2 hours FIM regulation with a tricycle (like Craig Breedlove with the Spirit of America in 1963/4).
Second, there is only a signed paper from FIM that she set this average under the FIM regulation, but the speed was never certified, due to this that Frederick/Needham never paid the fee for the certification to FIM. Hal Needham himself was interest to set the record, Kitty was only a paying driver. Hal, later tried to go faster on a other mud lake but bend the car. He stated that he run faster then Kitty, but there is no paper and timing which confirm this....maybe Kitty bend his pride also, just a little bit.
copied from FB:.....This just in folks, @[135210683162354:274:Jessi Combs] unofficially broke the Women's Land Speed Record! She ran a 344.002 MPH average over a measured mile, with a top speed of 382 MPH!
:-o :-o So why is Kitty's 512mph average run being ignored??
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My wife drove my PT Cruiser yesterday. Results below. YEA! New Record!
All this amounts to a very expensive hobby unless there is a certifiable record attached to it.
I wish Ed all the best, but this is just an expensive hobby at this point.
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I wish I could afford another expensive hobby too.
What now for the NAE? Weather hold? Are the
tests done for now, pack it up till next fall?
What's going on? Why no updates or video?
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He's running and trying, nothing else is anywhere close to running in the thrust class, Ed and crew have put their hearts into this and they might fool us all, I wish them the best in their endever to go fast. :cheers:
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Right on, Glen!
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Glen, there are a lot of people that are always ready to criticize the efforts of others and they're totally safe because they never do anything themselves so they don't leave themselves open to criticism in return. More power to people like Ed and his crew who have actually gone out and done something and left themselves open to the non performing critics.
Keep pounding away Ed. Maybe you'll be able to pound those critics right into the ground.
Pete
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Well I for one commend on the running at Alvarod, it has been a great accomplishment from start of project to where it is today.... Downfall from there...
No media information and many did not know it was running. Going after such a huge non-existent record "woman's" should have gained some media attention, unless the project was to do it in the dark of night and has mischievous intentions. Website did not have dates or times, updates. No information posted on website during the running of the vehicle. NAE claims they need money, sponsorship but the neglect the importance of media and promotion. There was just a presentation done on the super fancy sophisticated website, but it could not be updated during the attempts? Random pieces only came in from FB posts. Who would like to sponsor a project that seems to run ghostly. No official timing of event, so claims are no more than bar talk without any type of factual data to backup the information. If all systems were down where did the numbers come from?
With all this high tech equipment I find it difficult that pulling speeds from the vehicle are that difficult. This was a F104 originally correct? Air Speed????? Maybe with multiple failures in capturing speeds you should look at what was done over 30 years ago and find what they used, seemed accurate and they didn't have to spend a week to analyze the data. The awful manipulation of the information presented seems distasteful to the history of the sport. I guess it would be hard to find a sponsor when accurate information can not be presented either speeds, times, press releases, running.
Wish the team the best, and congratulations on whatever speed you "analyze" comes out of "calculations".
Yours in sport,
JonAmo
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Jon, with all of the crap from getting a permit to run there I don't think they wanted a bunch of lookiloos running around. They had to have all emergency equip and some kind of security as weill, none of is cheap. I did ask the question two times on who and how it was timed over the stated timed (and measured mile). I have known Ed for many years and at this point I think he is going about it the right way, Black rock was a zoo when Breedlove and Green were running. :cheers:
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Ed, do you have a non-facebook cockpit video with sound when she switched on the afterburner? What a thrill that must have been! You folks are doing great. - Bo
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JonAmo nailed it. Including the first sentence. Lots of blood sweat and tears
have been put into this venture. I'm sure their team wants to see results just as much as
the internet crowd. There just seems like something very important is missing.
I'm sure it's not a lack of trying. That brass ring is so close but yet so far away.
People can only route for the underdog for so long. What about Kitty being dissed?
Go Fast, Have Fun, Drink Beer!
Go USA Go NAE!
Well I for one commend on the running at Alvarod, it has been a great accomplishment from start of project to where it is today.... Downfall from there...
No media information and many did not know it was running. Going after such a huge non-existent record "woman's" should have gained some media attention, unless the project was to do it in the dark of night and has mischievous intentions. Website did not have dates or times, updates. No information posted on website during the running of the vehicle. NAE claims they need money, sponsorship but the neglect the importance of media and promotion. There was just a presentation done on the super fancy sophisticated website, but it could not be updated during the attempts? Random pieces only came in from FB posts. Who would like to sponsor a project that seems to run ghostly. No official timing of event, so claims are no more than bar talk without any type of factual data to backup the information. If all systems were down where did the numbers come from?
With all this high tech equipment I find it difficult that pulling speeds from the vehicle are that difficult. This was a F104 originally correct? Air Speed????? Maybe with multiple failures in capturing speeds you should look at what was done over 30 years ago and find what they used, seemed accurate and they didn't have to spend a week to analyze the data. The awful manipulation of the information presented seems distasteful to the history of the sport. I guess it would be hard to find a sponsor when accurate information can not be presented either speeds, times, press releases, running.
Wish the team the best, and congratulations on whatever speed you "analyze" comes out of "calculations".
Yours in sport,
JonAmo
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Kitty was not "DISSET"! We know that we cannot run over 512 on the current track. Kitty actually ran on a prepared track on the lakebed. it was a smooth cleaned
section of the lakebed, done by the county. Tom Davis, owner of the Alvord Ranch, who put up their team, showed me the track. We needed to see if we could
exceed the 308 record by Lee Breedlove. Given better lakebed conditions and 2 more miles, we could have run at Kitty's record. If Kitty can make it out here when
we go for that record, she will stay with the team. On Wednesday, I ran an unofficial single pass at 500 MPH myself. Jessi ran a two way speed over the measured
mile of 392, did it within 50 minutes and 7.8 miles, start to full stop! Next time we come out, hopefully Mike Cook will be able to show up with his clocks and
we will have some officials on site. I realize there is no actual category for the female record but it is recognized by Guiness records. Hope that explains it....Ed
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Well I will applaud the effort. More importantly I extra applaud the team. Lots of work going towards the project.
I guess who are, the internet, to tell you how to run the team. If running in the darkness gets you your personal goals, great. I hope you get the record, the sponsorship, the track, women's record, men's record, jet records, Alvarod record, A Big Mac at Burger King, A Chick-Fillet sandwich on Sunday and whatever else you set out to do.
I guess your attempt including current runs and the media information or there lack of confuse me more than anything. So I am humbly asking a couple of questions, when you say we are analyzing the data and calculating speeds what exactly are you talking about? I guess in my years of data recording the data is there, download it and it gives you what you want. If I remember right it took weeks last time to come up with a number? Can you elaborate on what system this is and how it works? I am interested in knowing more.
Next, on your website in big letters it reads, "Jessi Combs Broke the FIA Record" (Top Speed 440, average 392) In the text below that it says "Our first objective is to break the world female land speed record set by Kitty O'Neil in 1976 at 512 MPH.", later is then says "That speed is just 6 miles per hour shy of the current FIA women’s land speed record of 308 mph set in 1965 by Lee Breedlove, wife of former land speed record holder Craig Breedlove." So which is it? What FIA record did she break? I guess to the average reader it looks impressive, but I question the wording used and the intentions of what is meant is misleading.
"I realize there is no actual category for the female record but it is recognized by Guinness records." Are we going to see this in Guinness and were they there during the attempt?
Yours in sport,
JonAmo
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before folks get too critical of analysis by the like of JonA and others....these folks are involved with entities that can and
do provide financial backing to high speed endeavors....and are intimately involved with others in the industries at various
trade shows etc that do the same...
they know how critical they are in gowing forth with finiancial backing....and appearance...management...practices...legitimacy
are some of the areas closely "scrutinized"
they arent on here to bad mouth, because their true intent is to see success.....
Ed...it is "official" that you have a very fast car...CONGRATS !!!!
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How fast do jet cars run in a quarter mile?
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Technology is only good if you know how to use it.
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To answer your question john i use to go to LACR every year for the JET CAR world finals and a good running JET DRAGSTER would run the 1/4 mile just over 5 seconds at about 300mph or a little more. NHRA limits JET DRAGSTERS to 320mph on there tracks. I have been told that if there was no speed limit and a long enough shut down a JET DRAGSTER could run 350mph in the 1/4 mile. I was also told by one of the drivers that they almost always click the engine off and pull the chute right at the timing lights.
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Next time we come out, hopefully Mike Cook will be able to show up with his clocks and
we will have some officials on site.
I read somewhere that you were using Cook's clocks. If you were not, then how were you timing your runs??
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We are using Topcon technology. We have the license rights to use it up to 1000 mph. It is accurate to within .20 of an inch.
We pull off of 19 satellites and usually about 9 or 10 of those are Russian. We can pin point the runs so it is measured over
the exact measured mile for each direction. Two years ago we installed our Topcon equipment on my lakester and ran it
at Bonneville and the speeds were identical. We will provide the date, first, to the engineers at Topcon to validate our
results. With data, video and witnesses, we can "claim" the speed for Guiness records only. Otherwise all we can claim
is that we exceeded Lee Breedlove's speed and that is all. It is only a benchmark to so the world that we are serious
contenders. On one run alone, I ran 450 knots indicated on the air speed indicator (515 MPH). We use that data mainly
to validate our aerodynamic modeling of the Eagle so our aerodynamicist, who is conducting our CFD work can better
understand the air flow around the fuselage. Anybody who in involved in land speed racing (or flying airplanes) knows that
stability and control is the key to success. That is what this particular session was all about.
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So the calculations are time over measured mile rather than instantaneous speed readings direct from the GPS.
Topcon should be able to verify the speed calculations with time stamps and checksums on the NMEA data sentences logged (guessing in the nmea as its the most common GPS data logs).
Guessing your using RTK with your own base to get that accuracy, going dual chip with GPS an GLONAS should be giving good reliabilit.
Good to see successful runs, where to from here?
jon
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The Eagle will be back in it's nest for a while so we can clean it up, make a few changes and improvements then look forward to
getting some "official" runs next summer for Jessi and me. Once we feel we can get the job done and get permission to run
somewhere with enough distance, we'll get ourselves set for the attempt at the big number. It takes $$ to get into that next
category.
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Hurry up and wait.
Speed events are the slowest form of racing.
It doesn't matter what sport, eh?
Good luck in 2014 or 2015 NAE.
Watch your backs.
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Ed,
I think the negative comments were simply as a result of the unexpected references to Lee Breedlove's 1965 speed and talk of a "record" and nothing more. Certainly Jessi did a great job with limited seat time and the final speeds achieved at Alvord were a worthwhile stepping stone hopefully to something more next year.
Regards,
Phil
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If the speeds are legit.... a good first outing. The car appeared to handle well, no surprises in any of the systems... and it was safe. A good test session.
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Thanks Aliso Bob. We have gone out for several test sessions in the past and had to work on solving issues. This time, we stayed for two weeks
and worked on the problems on site. Our basic mission was to get some smooth strong runs so our aerodynamicist, Darren Grove, to match the
sensor data to his CFD modeling. The secondary mission was to get Jessi some seat time so she can go after the benchmark set by Kitty O'Niel.
Once we have finished this items and all systems are go, we will be scheduling ourselves to go after that big record of 763. I want to say
Thank You to all who have supported us along the way. It is not easy and with support from our fellow Americans/Canadians, we will push
even harder to get that record away from our friends, The British.........Ed
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Keep up the good work Ed, you are getting there. :cheers:
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Nice updates. Best of luck. Looking forward to the next chapter.
BR
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Sounds like a huge step was made. Congrats and good luck for the future. :cheers:
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http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/post--new-womens-land-speed-record-set (http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/post--new-womens-land-speed-record-set)
:cheers:
Mike
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"Jessi Combs has become the fastest woman alive" is the opening sentence.
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Did they kill Sandra Bullock?
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"Jessi Combs has become the fastest woman alive" is the opening sentence.
Must have been a data error she now has gone 440
http://cars.uk.msn.com/trending-blog/fastest-woman-on-four-wheels-crowned-after-440mph-record-run
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Why is everyone that has written a story about jessi combs keeps using the words world record when they are talking about how fast she went. everyone in the LSR world knows that she did not set an offical record she only went faster then lee breedlove did in 65. everyone knows that ed let jessi drive the car as a gimmic to get someone to step up and give him enough money so he can go after the record that thrust ssc set.
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Just remember, the media writes this stuff. In spite of what you tell them or send to them in writing, they still color it up to suit themselves.
We know what the benchmarks are and what the records are. We are also aware of the certifiction requirements.
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racefanwfo , you sound like a f--king traitor or something speaking that way. why would you care about whos in the drivers seat as long as an american team brings the record back to the u.s.a . your a hater for some screwed up reason . or just jealous cause she so pretty and eds so smart.
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racefanwfo , you sound like a f--king traitor or something speaking that way. why would you care about whos in the drivers seat as long as an american team brings the record back to the u.s.a . your a hater for some screwed up reason . or just jealous cause she so pretty and eds so smart.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the NAE is not an American team. They are a North American team - USA & Canada.
I think what RFW is commenting on is the media's disrespect to the (American) woman who holds the fastest 'certified' record on land, Kitty O'Neill. Any media member who neglects this fact does her (and the NAE team) a great disservice.
Dean
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dont be sorry. the army took care of the bubble long ago. GO N.A.E.
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Geez guys, don't get so worked up. All we're trying to do is see how fast we can get the beast going. It's not a cure for cancer.........!
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Ed, your the only one posting who can see the finish line.............. keep on truckin................ Bob :cheers:
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Mitchell i think you miss understood what i was trying to say. First off i want to see ED and the NAE bring the WORLD LAND SPEED RECORD back to america. Now ed and his crew have been working on the car for i believe 17 years now and in all that time no major sponsor has stepped up and given ed any money to put there name on the car and be part of the project. All the money that has been spent to build the car has come from the pockets of ed and his partners. Now there have been some small companys that have donated parts and systems for the car but no one has come forward and given ed the money that he needs to run for the record. I understand why ed is letting jessi drive the car and try and go faster then lee breedlove or kitty oneil did and maybe someone with a lot of dollars will take notice and step up but no matter how fast jessi go's the record that ed wants is the one held by THRUST SSC and ed will be the one driving the NAE when they go for that record. My gripe is the fact that the media wants to say that jessi broke a world record when she drove the car. The bottom line is she only went faster then lee breedlove did is 1965 in her ex husband's car. There was no offical record set. I hope ed does get the money to run for the world land speed record before bloodhound or the aussie invader get to run because if not i feel that either one of those cars will end up running faster then the nae is able to run. I asked ed how fast he thought the nae could go and he said the way the car sits top speed is right about 800 mph. He said for the car to go faster it would need to be modified. The clock is ticking.
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Crazy small world. I just realized why Jessi looked familiar to me, she is a local Black Hills girl and we have crossed paths in the past! :oops: Where is the handslap to the forehead picture!?!?! Hell, I even know her brother. Shows what 6 years without TV and local newspaper will do to you! :cheers:
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Hope this copies over OK, received from USAC today:
Oct 29 at 5:04 PM
FEDERATION INTERNATIONALE
DE L'AUTOMOBILE
David Petrali Chief Steward FIA sanction and licenses- ACCUS-FIA/USAC LSR
Regarding the Jessi Combs media coverage, the following statement was sent to the Autoweek editor:
While, we congratulate Ms. Combs on her claimed achievement, we would note that setting an FIA World Land Speed Record involves compliance with very specific regulations, including observation by FIA officials and ultimate approval by the FIA's Land Speed Records Commission. Ms. Combs’ reported runs were not even observed by the FIA, much less approved. Therefore, no FIA World Record may be claimed to have been broken.
Furthermore, the FIA does not take note of the gender of its World Record holders. Therefore, the record category which Ms Combs was claiming to compete in does not even exist.
In addition I send the following to Ed Shadle:
Dear Ed,
I am sending this email to you because of the following items that have appeared after Jessi Combs runs at Alvord. The first is from your website, landspeed.com:
Jessi Combs completed her second test run in the North American Eagle (NAE) Supersonic Speed Challenger, posting a speed of 302.462 miles per hour this afternoon. That speed is just 6 miles per hour shy of the current FIA women’s land speed record of 308 mph set in 1965 by Lee Breedlove, wife of former land speed record holder Craig Breedlove. Combs is now poised to set a new record when she climbs back into the jet-powered NAE vehicle tomorrow on the dry lakebed at the Alvord Desert in southeastern Oregon.
As well as numerous other media articles about the event including:
“GPS data and telemetry is now being delivered to the FIA for certification purposes.” - appearing at - http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/12/list-host-jessi-combs-worlds-fastest-woman-four-wheels-video-exclusive/
This handily surpassed the previous Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) women’s land speed record of 308 mph set back in 1965 by Lee Breedlove, wife of former world land speed record holder Craig Breedlove. - appearing at - http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/post--new-womens-land-speed-record-set?ref=bfv
On behalf of myself, the USA FIA community including ACCUS, USAC and the FIA Land Speed Records Commission I submit that while, we congratulate Ms. Combs on her claimed achievement, we would note that setting an FIA World Land Speed Record involves compliance with very specific regulations, including observation by FIA officials and ultimate approval by the FIA's Land Speed Records Commission. Ms. Combs’ reported runs were not even observed by the FIA, much less approved. Therefore, no FIA World Record may be claimed to have been broken. It should also be noted that FIA land speed records are never certified based on GPS data or telemetry.
Furthermore, the FIA does not take note of the gender of its World Record holders. Therefore, the record category which Ms Combs was claiming to compete in does not even exist.
Best regards,
Dave
DW
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Hope this copies over OK, received from USAC today:
Oct 29 at 5:04 PM
FEDERATION INTERNATIONALE
DE L'AUTOMOBILE
David Petrali Chief Steward FIA sanction and licenses- ACCUS-FIA/USAC LSR
Regarding the Jessi Combs media coverage, the following statement was sent to the Autoweek editor:
While, we congratulate Ms. Combs on her claimed achievement, we would note that setting an FIA World Land Speed Record involves compliance with very specific regulations, including observation by FIA officials and ultimate approval by the FIA's Land Speed Records Commission. Ms. Combs’ reported runs were not even observed by the FIA, much less approved. Therefore, no FIA World Record may be claimed to have been broken.
Furthermore, the FIA does not take note of the gender of its World Record holders. Therefore, the record category which Ms Combs was claiming to compete in does not even exist.
In addition I send the following to Ed Shadle:
Dear Ed,
I am sending this email to you because of the following items that have appeared after Jessi Combs runs at Alvord. The first is from your website, landspeed.com:
Jessi Combs completed her second test run in the North American Eagle (NAE) Supersonic Speed Challenger, posting a speed of 302.462 miles per hour this afternoon. That speed is just 6 miles per hour shy of the current FIA women’s land speed record of 308 mph set in 1965 by Lee Breedlove, wife of former land speed record holder Craig Breedlove. Combs is now poised to set a new record when she climbs back into the jet-powered NAE vehicle tomorrow on the dry lakebed at the Alvord Desert in southeastern Oregon.
As well as numerous other media articles about the event including:
“GPS data and telemetry is now being delivered to the FIA for certification purposes.” - appearing at - http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/12/list-host-jessi-combs-worlds-fastest-woman-four-wheels-video-exclusive/
This handily surpassed the previous Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) women’s land speed record of 308 mph set back in 1965 by Lee Breedlove, wife of former world land speed record holder Craig Breedlove. - appearing at - http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/post--new-womens-land-speed-record-set?ref=bfv
On behalf of myself, the USA FIA community including ACCUS, USAC and the FIA Land Speed Records Commission I submit that while, we congratulate Ms. Combs on her claimed achievement, we would note that setting an FIA World Land Speed Record involves compliance with very specific regulations, including observation by FIA officials and ultimate approval by the FIA's Land Speed Records Commission. Ms. Combs’ reported runs were not even observed by the FIA, much less approved. Therefore, no FIA World Record may be claimed to have been broken. It should also be noted that FIA land speed records are never certified based on GPS data or telemetry.
Furthermore, the FIA does not take note of the gender of its World Record holders. Therefore, the record category which Ms Combs was claiming to compete in does not even exist.
Best regards,
Dave
DW
In the car business we call that the "assumptive close." Until the money is in the house and the car leaves the dealership you have nothing! Until the sanctioning body certifies we all have a "personal best."
Jesse, you made some very fast passes. I respect that.
BR
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I agree -- Jessi has made some fast runs in the car, getting more and more comfortable in it every time (I assume). As for the FIA and the statements that Dave Petrali made -- yes, they are correct to object to the claim being made that she/they broke the record or set a new record. Change the wording (in the fifth or so paragraph down) just a bit and things would be fine. That is, "she exceeded the record speed" instead of "broke the record" is both factual - and respectful of the FIA rules. And that she was poised to break the record on the next run can be considered correct in that she could exceed the two-way average record speed, but incorrect when it implied she'd get the record with that/those runs. No FIA in attendance = no record.
As for a women's record, I understand that there is no gender specification in land speed racing record attempts (witness Nancy's records and those of so many other female racers in our sport). But - she did become the fastest woman in that particular class or car or whatever, so bragging rights, if not a document, are hers.
Ah, ain't this American language fun? So many words, so many ways to represent an act or event.
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Hope this copies over OK, received from USAC today:
Oct 29 at 5:04 PM
FEDERATION INTERNATIONALE
DE L'AUTOMOBILE
David Petrali Chief Steward FIA sanction and licenses- ACCUS-FIA/USAC LSR
Regarding the Jessi Combs media coverage, the following statement was sent to the Autoweek editor:
While, we congratulate Ms. Combs on her claimed achievement, we would note that setting an FIA World Land Speed Record involves compliance with very specific regulations, including observation by FIA officials and ultimate approval by the FIA's Land Speed Records Commission. Ms. Combs’ reported runs were not even observed by the FIA, much less approved. Therefore, no FIA World Record may be claimed to have been broken.
Furthermore, the FIA does not take note of the gender of its World Record holders. Therefore, the record category which Ms Combs was claiming to compete in does not even exist.
In addition I send the following to Ed Shadle:
Dear Ed,
I am sending this email to you because of the following items that have appeared after Jessi Combs runs at Alvord. The first is from your website, landspeed.com:
Jessi Combs completed her second test run in the North American Eagle (NAE) Supersonic Speed Challenger, posting a speed of 302.462 miles per hour this afternoon. That speed is just 6 miles per hour shy of the current FIA women’s land speed record of 308 mph set in 1965 by Lee Breedlove, wife of former land speed record holder Craig Breedlove. Combs is now poised to set a new record when she climbs back into the jet-powered NAE vehicle tomorrow on the dry lakebed at the Alvord Desert in southeastern Oregon.
As well as numerous other media articles about the event including:
“GPS data and telemetry is now being delivered to the FIA for certification purposes.” - appearing at - http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/12/list-host-jessi-combs-worlds-fastest-woman-four-wheels-video-exclusive/
This handily surpassed the previous Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) women’s land speed record of 308 mph set back in 1965 by Lee Breedlove, wife of former world land speed record holder Craig Breedlove. - appearing at - http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/post--new-womens-land-speed-record-set?ref=bfv
On behalf of myself, the USA FIA community including ACCUS, USAC and the FIA Land Speed Records Commission I submit that while, we congratulate Ms. Combs on her claimed achievement, we would note that setting an FIA World Land Speed Record involves compliance with very specific regulations, including observation by FIA officials and ultimate approval by the FIA's Land Speed Records Commission. Ms. Combs’ reported runs were not even observed by the FIA, much less approved. Therefore, no FIA World Record may be claimed to have been broken. It should also be noted that FIA land speed records are never certified based on GPS data or telemetry.
Furthermore, the FIA does not take note of the gender of its World Record holders. Therefore, the record category which Ms Combs was claiming to compete in does not even exist.
Best regards,
Dave
DW
. ^^^ OUCH!
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ski123,I don't understand your ouch remark. DW and I have been involved is LSR for many years and we strive on perfection of speeds and the records. Everything we do is certified by the department of standards, all two way runs are overseen by FIA or FIM along with two SCTA/BNI timers, the course is measured by a survey company.The Gunnes book and timing by Satellite do not apply to the records set under the rules of the associations they are conducted.
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I wrote to David Petreli and told him that my webmaster is going to retract his statements about BREAKING a record and only refer to it as exceeding
a benchmark set by Lee Breedlove. I know the rules but some times the guys that write about us get a little carried away. There is NO record until
we exceed 763 MPH. We cannot break Kitty O'Neil's record because it is an FIM record which we cannot compete against unless we retract our
middle wheels. We can, however, exceed the 512 MPH mark set by Kitty and make a claim to that speed mark. Either way, it still is not a cure for cancer!
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Always ask to review any thing that's to go public, you will make changes to the wording and facts of the said event. Been through it and totally rejected the article, it was not printed.
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Just happy to see Kitty and Jessi, both South Dakota ladies, mentioned in the same sentence! :cheers:
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I wish the best for ED and his crew in their quest and would love to see them take back the current record from the Brit’s with their ingenuity perseverance and on a shoe string budget. As far as claimed speeds go they totally lost all credibility with me regarding unofficial speed when they claimed they went 400 at EL Mirage and the parachutes didn't deploy, but they were able to stop a 14,000 lb. car going 400 in a mile just using the magnetic brakes and smooth aluminum wheels on dirt.
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I wish the best for ED and his crew in their quest and would love to see them take back the current record from the Brit’s with their ingenuity perseverance and on a shoe string budget. As far as claimed speeds go they totally lost all credibility with me regarding unofficial speed when they claimed they went 400 at EL Mirage and the parachutes didn't deploy, but they were able to stop a 14,000 lb. car going 400 in a mile just using the magnetic brakes and smooth aluminum wheels on dirt.
Well, we were able to get stopped from 515 MPH in two miles with magnetic brakes and aluminum wheels at Alvord. Come out and watch us before you call us liars.
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In 1997 Andy Green had a parachute failure with the Thrust SSC (22 000 lb) at over 700 mph and stopped the car with his "regular" brakes...he overrun the course by only 1 1/2 mile...
but if necessary he could had stop earlier....he simple said to his pick up crew over the CB when he found out that he lost the parachute...."pick me at 1 1/2 mile plus to the normal stop"... and there he stopped....
it was possible for Andy Green....the brake system on the NAE is much more advanced....so...where is the problem to do it in two miles from 515...it isn't a problem....it is simple possible....
Ed, you done a great job at Alvord.
I wish the best for ED and his crew in their quest and would love to see them take back the current record from the Brit’s with their ingenuity perseverance and on a shoe string budget. As far as claimed speeds go they totally lost all credibility with me regarding unofficial speed when they claimed they went 400 at EL Mirage and the parachutes didn't deploy, but they were able to stop a 14,000 lb. car going 400 in a mile just using the magnetic brakes and smooth aluminum wheels on dirt.
Well, we were able to get stopped from 515 MPH in two miles with magnetic brakes and aluminum wheels at Alvord. Come out and watch us before you call us liars.
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ski123,I don't understand your ouch remark. DW and I have been involved is LSR for many years and we strive on perfection of speeds and the records. Everything we do is certified by the department of standards, all two way runs are overseen by FIA or FIM along with two SCTA/BNI timers, the course is measured by a survey company.The Gunnes book and timing by Satellite do not apply to the records set under the rules of the associations they are conducted.
My ^^^OUCH! comment was due to the fact that the letter had to be written.
Kind of sad, but maybe any publicity is good publicity, just maybe. Go Fast!
All respect to the official timers, all parties. Without you is there any reality?
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I need to chime in on the brake citations. . .
Having spent considerable time with the NAE crew and the brake's "inventor" when they were out on Black Rock some years ago, I am steadfastly convinced those magnetic brakes are the best part of tech on the NAE. Brilliant, safe and smart for the application.
We've all disparaged Ed and his crew for taking such a long time to get the absolute record, I often wondered why they bothered sometimes, did they really think they had a chance to unseat Green? Well, I do now. If I have leaned one thing from watching class-level land speed racers at Bonneville it is that they are overflowing with tenacity and patience despite being bereft of dollars and friends in high places. They carry on, against all odds, for years and years and years so that when victory comes the cheers are mixed with abundant tears. The waste gate of emotions trumps the speed achieved because in the end it was always about finishing what they had started, what they thought possible and what they needed to prove to themselves - not others.
I have repeatedly told Ed Shadle I would very much like to champion the NAE cause, but so much time has passed since it began (and I have been there since the start) that I really need to see that car get a number of plus 400MPH runs to feel comfortable the program was still viable. They've done that at Alvord so let's give a round of applause then prod them to get going faster - soon.
How thoroughly wonderful it would be for Andy Green to climb into the Bloodhound in 2015 chasing NAE's absolute WLSR!!!
As for Jessi and ANY reference to a "woman's" record . . ., anyone who knows me understands you are poised for a head-on confrontation trying to advance such utter fecal matter. No car, no ship or aircraft has any clue to its operator's gender, it merely responds to input.
Good input = good results. Poor input= bad results.
It is as simple as that.
Paula Murphy, Betty Skelton and Lee Breedlove are to acknowledged and heralded as pioneers driving jets when women were mostly destined and expected to be "domestic engineers." They all demonstrated that women were capable of so much more. They all recorded benchmark speeds that were, alas, the product of PR stunts by sponsors who did not dare give the gals a real chance to prove their abilities.
Spirit of America Chief Engineer Walt Sheehan was under orders from the Goodyear rep to turn down the engine speed on Lee Breedlove's runs. I know this because Walt told me so years later and thought it would have been so much better if she and Craig would have gone "heads-up". Imagine the headlines if MRS Breedlove beat MR Breedlove at his own game!
Paula, the first woman to earn a fuel license form NHRA, drove Walt Arfon's jet at plus 200MPH speeds - twice -- though more puddles than dry salt and NEVER once wavered in controlling the machine. It was at a time when one was not required to set a record, merely run 2 ways in excess of 200MPH to gain admittance to the Bonneville 200MPH Club. I secured the USAC time slips from Petrali and presented it to the 2Club folks but they came back saying that the rules had changed and Paula wasn't welcome.
Betty had Art Arfons scared silly that something might go wrong despite the lady's undeniable and enviable aviation skills. Art was a great guy, but he was old school and had a hard time with women in race cars during the early 1960's; he also turned down the engine speed until she complained bitterly and he relented. By the way . . . in 1956, Skelton was part of a Dodge-sponsored team that set 395 new speed records at Bonneville, adding to the nine speed and acceleration records that Skelton had set earlier in the year at the Daytona Speed Weeks. And I won't list her numerous aerobatic championships. . .
On a much smaller, insignificant level, early in my automotive journalism career, when a "colleague" would play a gender card my response was to simply out-drive him on the track recording the lowest lap times and highest speeds. If Carroll Shelby was still with us, he would give you an earful about what happened at his test track in SoCal when a Chrysler PR guy tried to make me drive with the "women." Epic.
So let's forget about the gender record thing. Please Ed, please. I asked Rosco McGlashan to to do the same thing years ago. As Dave Petrali officially pointed out, there is no such thing and it demeans those of us who strive to be accomplished drivers by putting in the time, the laps and practice to be smooth, to be fast, to be first.
If Jessi proves she's got the ovaries to wrangle NAE through Mach One, it would be so utterly noble if Ed and Keith gave her the seat. But Jessi, girl, you best EARN it.
I have just returned from a two week UK tour that included a full day of laps on Brands hatch driving a stable of supercars, clinking champagne glasses with Richard Noble and john Ackroyd celebrating their 30th anniversary of the 633MPH Thrust II record at the Coventry Transport Museum then finishing with a full day at the Bloodhound Technical Center getting my fill of what it takes to be serious about going 1,000MPH.
The Brits have what we yanks do not when it comes to the WLSR: desire.
America has all the smarts and parts, but we don't have a "pied piper" like Noble to lead us to high speed glory. If we did, I am certain we could kick their butts.
LandSpeed Louise
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Louise:
Thank you for the historic perspective from someone who has been there. Jesse and the NAE crew have demonstrated they have a capable vehicle. Can't wait for them to turn up the wick.
I respect the pioneers that broke the stereotypes. 2014 will be interesting.
BR
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Thanks Louise!
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Louise,
You my friend have a great way with words..... I think the same things but do not have near the writing ability of you. WELL stated. You are a fine tuned Ninja writer.....
Thanks
JonAmo
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I wrote to David Petreli and told him that my webmaster is going to retract his statements about BREAKING a record and only refer to it as exceeding
a benchmark set by Lee Breedlove. I know the rules but some times the guys that write about us get a little carried away. There is NO record until
we exceed 763 MPH. We cannot break Kitty O'Neil's record because it is an FIM record which we cannot compete against unless we retract our
middle wheels. We can, however, exceed the 512 MPH mark set by Kitty and make a claim to that speed mark. Either way, it still is not a cure for cancer!
Well ok... Time for damage control... Will the media outlets be corrected as well?
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Impossible for me to correct the media outlets. They write their own version of the story and never check with me.
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Impossible for me to correct the media outlets. They write their own version of the story and never check with me.
I wouldn't worry about it. You are the only one on this thread with a jet car so the rest of us are just rubber neckers anyway. Move on and shoot for the goal. :cheers:
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Looking more and more like we will haul the Eagle to the Grand National Roadster Show, January 24-26 at the Showplex
in Pomona. We've been working so hard on making it fast, now we have to make it look puurrdy too.....!
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Impossible for me to correct the media outlets. They write their own version of the story and never check with me.
Mr Shadle, if it matters, you might want to talk with your Facebook person. I wish you the best of luck to reach 800mph. -Dean
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Reality is a state of mind! You are only as fast as you think you are right?
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FWI:
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee171/4-BarrelMike/Miscellaneous%20stuff/Autoweek_zps27267a25.jpg) (http://s233.photobucket.com/user/4-BarrelMike/media/Miscellaneous%20stuff/Autoweek_zps27267a25.jpg.html)
Go NAE! 2014 will be your year!
:cheers: :cheers:
Mike
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FWI: (from the North American Eagle FB site)
Nov 27 2013
NEW: North American Eagle shared a link (link from Autoblog....Jessi Combs is a host of the series so can give accurate first hand knowledge wtg..!)
The point of The List is to complete a bucket list that would make any auto enthusiast proud, but there are some experiences we always assumed might be out of reach for even us. Breaking a land speed record was one of them. The time, resources and skills required to properly set a new benchmark in speed are for the seriously committed only. Fortunately for us (and you), host Jessi Combs is one of those people.
As we reported, Combs became the Fastest Woman on Four Wheels last month when she broke the FIA Women's Land Speed Record on a dry lake bed in Oregon. Behind the stick of a retired, wingless ex-military jet, she recorded a two-way average speed of nearly 393 miles per hour and maxed out at over 440 mph.
Her feat was monumental and the experience once in a lifetime, making it perhaps the most worthy item we've ever recorded for The List. We're ready to share her experience with you, so scroll down to watch history being made.
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/22/list-womens-land-speed-record-jessi-combs-video/
Congrats Ed keep up the good work...
I hope you get your further goals in 2014...!!!
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Maybe they do not teach maths well in some US schools :-o. I look at NAE and count 5 wheels in (as train buffs may state it) a 1-2-2 formation. NAE is not a "four wheeler".
The Kitty O'Neil driven SMI Motivator was a 1-0-2 configuration three wheeler. If we do not worry about gender, then Spirit of America - sonic arrow, at 3-0-2, has shown itself to be the fastest five wheeler.
And whilst talking of that five wheeler, does anyone expect the former Breedlove car, owned by the late Steve Fossett, to make an attempt on the record in the near future - say 2014?
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There is a person intrested in buying the fossett car but he is trying to find a place to run the car and get everything set up before he buys the car. He told me that if he can not find a place to run much less get all the permits that he needs there is no point in buying the car. It looks like unless ed gets the money he needs to go for the record that is held by THRUST SSC i think that either BLOODHOUND or the AUSSIE INVADER are going to be the ones to up the record.
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There is a person intrested in buying the fossett car . . .
It has previously been reported (but not widely, so possibly erroneously?) that Bill and/or Matt M******** had bought the car from the Fossett estate.
Perhaps they or the would-be owners should team up with NAE to share the costs and pain of setting up an official record attempt. An American Jet Car Top Speed Shoot Out in 2014 might capture the imagination of Joe Public.
:cheers:
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There is a person intrested in buying the fossett car but he is trying to find a place to run the car and get everything set up before he buys the car. He told me that if he can not find a place to run much less get all the permits that he needs there is no point in buying the car.
Car valued at $3,000,000 excluding operating costs and USAC, FIA fees etc. Track 'finding', environmental studies and BLM permits - about $150,000 (or it was a few years ago). It seems to me the 'person interested' has found a reason not to part with any money as speed projects do seem to have costs which vary by more than 5% at the final reckoning.
If two teams from two countries can share (1997), why not two teams from the same country?
Malcolm, Derby, England
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So we are all clear about the Fossett LSR
No one has purchased the car, it remains the property of Peggy Fossett and collects dust in a Nevada warehouse.
There are no buyers in play.
It is up to Ed and his team to topple Mssrs Noble, Green and Ayers.
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Louise i am not sure where you are getting your info but Bill Marquardt is in the process of buying the fossett car.
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Tell us more about these Marquardt folks.
How cool would that be?
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Here is the website link http://absolutelandspeedrecord.com/
There is a phone number on the website that you can call and talk with bill about what his plans are.
I have called a couple of times and bill is a very friendly guy to talk to.
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My information comes from the players, never second-hand. Bill is on a new path. Sad as it is for me to admit, considering I was part of the build and refit of the Breedlove/Fossett car, the asking price may never be met and car might just end up to be nothing but be unproven museum relic.
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I just got off the phone with Bill Marquardt and he has made an offer for the FOSSETT car but it has not been accepted yet. Bill also is thinking about building a car of his own. That is the other path that louise is talking about. He does have a permit to run on a lake bed in september of next year if he has a car. Just like NAE bill is trying to find someone to put up the big money to help make the project happen. The only draw back to buying the FOSSETT car is that there are mods that still need to be made to the car before it car be run.
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Loaded up and pulling out Tuesday evening for the GNRS in Pomona. We'll be in the NHRA Museum parking lot.
See you there............Ed and the team.
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Back home after a great show. Ron Main put together a fantastic gathering of LSR cars and the display in building 9 was the talk of the show.
We were scheduled to unload into the NHRA parking lot but after reviewing the location, it was decided to find a more favorable location.
We ended up out front, next to the fountain and near building 9. A great location. We visited with thousands of spectators and had a
great time. Long days, very exhausting but worth it. I tried posting a photo of the Eagle but my photo is about 120 pixels to large and it
won't load.
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It was great seeing the EAGLE there!!
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It was great seeing the EAGLE there!!
Roger that Sparky! :cheers: AND getting to meet Ed and some of the crew members! :cheers:
BTW: F-104's are still kick-Acura even without wings! :-o
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http://landspeed.com/project/project-updates/272-apr-5-2014
Pretty extensive update this week on the website.
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According to the BLM, Bill Marquardt has a permit to run at the Alvord Desert, Sept 15-30 this year. He must be building his own car because I have it on good authority that he has not purchased the Fossett car. We've been trying to get an August/September slot for three years with no success but somehow he got the permit for September. I don't know what he plans to run and he must be soaking a lot of money into it in order to set up the communications, survey and mark the track, get the FIA involved and the timing systems available. He must be building his high speed wheels, braking system, parachute systems, gathering a team together and all the other stuff in record time. What the?
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Not much on the web. :?
Skimpy website: http://www.billmarquardt.com/ (http://www.billmarquardt.com/)
Advertised for a GE404: www.barnstormers.com/classified_877345_Wanted+GE404.html
or an RR RB199: www.barnstormers.com/classified_879935_Wanted+RR+RB199.html
No ready references to "ABSOLUTE LAND SPEED RECORD, LLC"
Mike
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I love it when people in the know, don't know.
This is going to be something awesome, just wait.
Wait who are the insiders now? Go fast USA!
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The video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2UOFITpKI4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2UOFITpKI4), uploaded in May 2010, purports to show at least part of one of the J-79s used in the SoA. If that's the only engine (there may have been another, but I don't recall reading about that) then the chassis would be in need of a replacement.
Perhaps Blue could comment.
I agree, this will be interesting.
Tim (currently reading "Bluebird & The Dead Lake")
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According to the BLM, Bill Marquardt has a permit to run at the Alvord Desert, Sept 15-30 this year. He must be building his own car because I have it on good authority that he has not purchased the Fossett car. We've been trying to get an August/September slot for three years with no success but somehow he got the permit for September. I don't know what he plans to run and he must be soaking a lot of money into it in order to set up the communications, survey and mark the track, get the FIA involved and the timing systems available. He must be building his high speed wheels, braking system, parachute systems, gathering a team together and all the other stuff in record time. What the?
Must just have another avenue of approach then North American Eagle?
Jon
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some folks have a way of not saying anything,, thay just do it,, :wink:
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Last Saturday we spend the day pulling the 3840 lb J-79 out of the Eagle so we could clean it up (tons of Alvord dirt) and fixed a few small fuel leaks. We inspected it for damage then did the necessary maintenance procedures. We also pressure washed the fuselage. Next weekend, we'll put it all back together and prep for an engine run and system checkout in June.
Next runs are planned for this fall.
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Ed
It would be such a great thing if NAE spanked Mr. A. Green's record.
Such a great thing.
I would like to be there when you ruin in the fall. Keep me updated.
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Ed
It would be such a great thing if NAE spanked Mr. A. Green's record.
Such a great thing.
I would like to be there when you ruin in the fall. Keep me updated.
It would be great to see an American record holder.
Your misspelling ( I assume ) sounds a bit ominous.
The NAE's cloak of secrecy and lack of quality
updates has scared off several potential investors.
They have Jessi as the "face" but will Ed ever let
her run the car for anything other then the unofficial
Women's Land Speed Record? NAE what is the plan
for this fall? How are your sponsors treating you?
Will you be sharing the playa with B. Marquardt?
People would be more interested in your project
if they had some idea of what is going on other then
seeing photos of your backyard BBQs. Only a few more
questions. What will happen to the NAE team if
A. Green beats the record before them? What will
you guys focus on then? Do you guys really want
to set a record or is this just a something to do on
weekends with the boys? Hope to see you again on the
Alvord this fall. I'll bring beers and cupcakes.
GO FAST USA!
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Sigh, thank God I have never claimed to be an editor, only a writer. . .
yes, "run" not "ruin" -- nothing ominous about it.
I have been involved, part-of or have covered in-depth every absolute bid, brag and desperate hope for the last 25 years.
Ed Shadle gets my support for not other reason than tenacity and staying power to a dream he struggles to keep vibrant. Yes, there are odd bits, but he has a car, Marquardt wishes Peggy would let him "borrow" Steve's untested stallion and Ahlstrom is sniffing around for the same dollars Ed and Co. are looking to attract. Meanwhile, Rosco might just beat the whole bunch to the punch with the scary big rocket of his.
My point? This is hard. Very, very hard. The tech is the easy part, setting the record easier still. Convincing someone to pay for your speed dream? Close to impossible for the financial outlay required.
Can the NAE kick ThrustSSC's butt?
Couldn't say until I see the beast spool up past 500MPH then we will all have plenty to cogitate upon. Until then we all should help the NAE folks move forward, if by nothing else than with some patriotic encouragement. NAE could be a bit more forthcoming, but they don't have fancy PR person to spin dazzling tales.
Bloodhound has a spectacular crew of paid and unpaid pros that would stagger your mind if you paid a visit to the workshop. It did me, but I know the best secret weapon the British have is Richard Noble -- that guy can pull Kobe beef out of a grease trap.
As for Jessi doing the driving. . ., I wish to high heaven people would stop this flaming BS about men/women drivers. It is excrement of the worst odorous kind. I've got USAF Major who is as adroit at the controls of any fast jet as any of her male students -- and she fits perfectly into the FossettLSR so I am guessing she'd need padding in the NAE.
What a day it would be if American USAF Female pilot turned driver to unseat the British RAF Wing Commander.
That, boys and girls, would a stunning LSR milestone.
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FWIW there's a ?new? Bloodhound video out on their brakes. Gizmodo.com picked up on it today, thousands of U.S. techies being indoctrinated to the other side. :-(
Mike
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With minimal funding we've been able to get the NAE out to 10 different testing sessions over the years. Up to this point in time we've made 44 speed runs. We began our first test runs at a local airport (Toledo/Winlock airport) then to Edwards AFB. We made three trips to El Mirage and three trips to Black Rock Desert. The last two years we ran at Alvord Dry Lake in Oregon. Every one of these tests provided data which is needed to prove whether or not we can achieve the mission of bringing the record back to North America. Our last outing at Alvord, I accelerated to the two mile marker in full military power (100% with no AB) then engaged the afterburner. At the 4.5 mile marker I had reached a speed of 515 MPH then backed out of Afterburner and began the slowdown process. I was fully stopped at the 7.5 mile point. We only had 7.8 miles available because of the wet conditions from the three days of rain that had us sitting on our butts at the camp site. With the knowledge that the car handled exactly as planned, we put Jessi in the cockpit and over the next couple days, she made 4 passes. The last two she ran a two way average over the measured mile, within 55 minutes for an average of 397 MPH and a terminal velocity of 440 MPH on the second leg. She wanted to go faster but our run plan did not call for that on this session. This fall, Jessi will go after the womens speed record of 512 MPH held by Kitty O'Neil since 1976 in the three wheel rocket car called the Motivator. Yes, I know there is no "official" catagory but it is a milestone we will use to promote the project with our eye on the absolute record very soon. As for money and government support, Louise is correct, rich people and well funded corporations don't seem to be interested partly because we don't have the huge PR visibility that the well funded teams have available to them and our BLM is not interested in supporting this unless some money crosses some palms first. As for US volunteers crossing over to support the British, it's their choice to do so, but I hope they don't come around after we get the record and brag about the US getting the record. I'd call them hypocrites..............Ed
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By the way, how is the Marquardt project coming along?
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Getting the Eagle ready to haul to our favorite airport, tie it down and do an engine run to check for fuel leaks and other things. Getting ready for our next outing in the fall. We're also beginning our hunt for a new location. The hangar we have rented for the past 10 years has been sold and we have a couple months to get something inexpensive with enough room to get our work done. It's always something, isn't it!
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Horray horray! We have a new home! Doug LeMay, the principal owner/director of the LeMay family collection gave me the keys to one of his warehouses today.
It is plenty big, well lighted, 220 VAC, security alarm and fenced. We can start moving in any time we want. No worries mate!!!
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Horray horray! We have a new home! Doug LeMay, the principal owner/director of the LeMay family collection gave me the keys to one of his warehouses today.
It is plenty big, well lighted, 220 VAC, security alarm and fenced. We can start moving in any time we want. No worries mate!!!
Great news Ed :cheers:
Best of luck and fast times.
JL222
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Is he any relation to Gen Curtis Lemay?
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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http://www.lemaymuseum.org/ (http://www.lemaymuseum.org/)
:cheers:
Great news, Ed!
:cheers: :cheers:
Mike
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I donated $100 today.
For what it's worth, I am a retired mechanical engineer with less than a thousand dollars in
total savings. I am living on only a fixed income from Social Security. My total net income
is less than $1400/month.
Helping Ed, Keith, and the rest of the NAE team break the Land Speed Record soon is important
to me. I met Ed in 2009 when the North American Eagle was on display at the Redding Air Show.
Ed was courteous and informative, and posed with me for a photo (attached).
Who else is willing to step up and help?
tallguy (Andrew Lampenfeld, in northern California, USA)
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Is it just me or does anyone else wonder why NAE with 1518
Facebook likes has a driver with 210,111 FB likes and there
is nothing on her FB page. Weird, did Ed even let her know?
Is she still part of the team? She is NAE's best available option.
How bad do you guys really want the next $47k? Anyone.......
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Bump.
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I can't figure it out either!!!
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Just returned from flying down to the Alvord Desert to inspect the surface. It's pretty rough! They've had no rain since last winter so the dust seems to have created a washboard surface. At the North end of the lakebed it is wet underneath the surface due to a gully washer rain squal that hit a while back. We were going to run during the last two weeks of September but at this point in time we are going to postpone for a little while to see if it improves. Meanwhile, Bonneville has it's problems and the Burning Man got dumped on too. Mother nature is sure giving us heck this year.