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Misc Forums => LSR General Chat => Topic started by: Ryanboz46 on May 08, 2013, 04:10:49 PM
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Hi everyone my name is Ryan. My Dad is currently building a Bonneville car forv the H/BFS class. He is making good progress on it but is stuggling to come up with the money to finish it. He would love to have it ready by August for Speed Week. I'm doing everything I can to help him so I set up a fundraising web page for him. Please take a look at the page, donate if you can and let other people know about it. We are very grateful for any help. Thanks!
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/send-my-dad-to-bonneville/x/3137178 (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/send-my-dad-to-bonneville/x/3137178)
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Funny, Brad has not mentioned running low on funds on his Face Bokk page. He plans to be at El Mirage in less than two weeks with a painted body, etc.
DW
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I wish you all the luck in the world with your fund-raising, but damn...
That frame, motor, RacePak, etc... Looks like he's doing okay.
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Funny, Brad has not mentioned running low on funds on his Face Bokk page. He plans to be at El Mirage in less than two weeks with a painted body, etc.
DW
He's only going to be able to put the car through tech inspection at el mirage. It won't be ready to run.
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I wish you all the luck in the world with your fund-raising, but Dodge...
That frame, motor, RacePak, etc... Looks like he's doing okay.
Thanks. The main reason the car is at this point is because of his fabrication skills and all the help he recieves from his friends with money and parts. So far so good but as I'm sure you know, this is a money pit of a hobby
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Like some others in the past they have to wait a year to finish the project. There are many racers(lots) working on a budget. It's a nice build.
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Hell, EVERY racer is on a budget! I don`t know anyone who finished a project and said they had money left over...
Good on ya for trying to help him along, wish I could have built something with my Dad.
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Hey....Call me a "Hard Ass"......but why should I send dollars to your Dad's project......if it is a "outstanding" effort, then go out there and find sponsors....product sponsors....put their name on the vehicle, so they get a return......and if you don't have the monies to finish the project, you should have thought about that before starting it.......But begging for dollars to go racing is not the way to go.......racing cost lots of monies, and product sponsor certainly are very helpful, but if you can't afford racing .....maybe you should find a cheaper sport..................................
PS. In over 55 years of racing all of it came mostly out of my own pocket......Yes, sponsors helped and certainly without their help......I might have taken up tennis........................................................
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Bob Bak... I can't play tennis either so I spent most of my money on racing, women and booze.... the rest of it I wasted :roll:
Ryan, Good luck with the fund raiser, but I gotta tell ya asking other racers to help fund the project is like going to church and asking if you can have the proceeds from the collection plate to go party...
don't want to be a stick in the mud but hey if you get way more than you wanted I can send you my paypal address, :evil: I'm just an old retired guy living on a fixed income that's had salt fever for the last 40 years.
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BAK look at their website, they have a whole list of sponsors and decals.
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I'm just a son trying to do something nice for my dad.
Thanks for the comments everyone :cheers:
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I'm just a son trying to do something nice for my dad.
How much have YOU donated?
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I'm just a son trying to do something nice for my dad.
How much have YOU donated?
About $4,000 in parts, plus my labor.
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Rayn, Just in case you haven't noticed, this is the wrong group for a newbie, or any one for that matter, to come begging money from. Although I'm sure there are some affluent folks here, the majority scratch, pinch,swap,barter, and plan long and hard for parts/monies for their projects. We will; give free advice, free critizism(sp) (constructive or otherwise), guidance on brew, food, fuel and comment on most any subject. If these folks were to hand out cash, my wife's LSR camaro would be running 200mph and I would not have a 5 year plan to get her to a piont where she can acheive her goal.
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FYI first year... 1986 ...
not done.... but ran anyway..
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1990 200 mph club 298.370
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Another possibility is to use the combined knowledge of the forum to source parts.
Some folks here might have spare pieces or know where you can find the parts your looking for.
That can be as good as money in the bank.
Also the combined experience can be a helpful knowledge base regarding parts that look good on paper but others have had problems with out on the salt, ranging from just plain don't work as advertised, work most of the time but customer service from the vendor sucks, to is reliable and the vendor will bend over backward to get you out on the course if you have a problem. Avoiding burning money on problematic parts can also be as good as money in the bank.
Wish you and your dad luck and success getting out there on the salt, car looks like a good build from what I have seen.
larry
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Hey, Ryan -
I know it might sound like people are beating up on you here - we're not, trust me.
What I've found with friends and organizations doing kick-starter type things is that your best resource is going to be your personal contacts. People who know you, people who know your dad, your family members, friends.
At first blush, a site dedicated to the same passion your father has might seem to be a good source. But the truth is, it's kind of like trying to pick up date at a convent on a Wednesday night before vespers.
A really well worded e-mail to your friends and family that includes a call-to-action and some phone calls to make sure they've been directed to the site will very likely put you at your goal. Truth be told, considering what he's already put into it, what you looking to fund is the entry fee, fuel, hotel and meals. If your e-mail and correspondences were to spell out what your father has already invested in this project, and your passion to help him were clearly demonstrated, I suspect you'll make that 5G goal pretty easily.
The biggest mistake I see with these type of fund raising efforts is that too often, the organizer tends to let the Kick Starter do all the work. It's only a tool - it still requires an operator.
Good luck Ryan.
Sincerely
Chris Conrad
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Well said Midget :cheers:
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7800ebs, it sure looked like a "bare bones effort" back in 1986. :-o
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A "Bare Bones project" for sure. I am pretty familiar with the current record holding car in H/BFS. I can see your dads car is much more nicely finished. But Jack puts them out there and without asking for monetary help. It's just unseemly.
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7800ebs forgot to mention the 330+ 3mile time in 2012.
DW
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OK .. OK...
so 26 years later...
With Mr Jackson's help... I got the ride of a lifetime..... Looking for More..
Bonneville racing is a Journey... of Personal Growth... at it's Best and Worst... lol
You can start with a load of Money ... and Buy a Red Hat... or..
YOU BUILD IT .... scratch for every dime... (or $100 bill) .... rebuild it.. and enjoy the Journey..
I am enjoying the Journey with Don Jackson, Darren Mayer, Garran , My Boys, and the Guys at my Shop..
and my other friends...
It is all about the Journey..
enjoy the ride..
Bob
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Thanks to me wrecking Mr Jackson's Supercharger.... (Remember to Loctite bolts near/or inside Injector)
We have a new one for 2013...
Thank You Mr Jackson and Mr Mayer...
Should run good... Only picked up 50% more power... :-o
now back to my vegan diet so I can fit in the car.... :cry:
bob
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:-o is there a motor under that thing :-o
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A "Bare Bones project" for sure. I am pretty familiar with the current record holding car in H/BFS. I can see your dads car is much more nicely finished. But Jack puts them out there and without asking for monetary help. It's just unseemly.
Help is help, no matter what form it comes in, and there is no shame in asking for it.. My Dad just spent a couple hundred dollars of his own money to drive up to San Jose to help Jack Costella build his new lakester. So in a sense that is monetary help. Hell the roll cage for Jack's lakester was just sitting in my dad's garage because he was welding it for Jack. My dad has little time to spare and even less money, but he is willing to go the extra mile to help others achieve their goals.
What is "unseemly" is the negativity from some of you. I've learned that the lsr "family" is a good, positive group of people who are willing to do mostly anything to help thier fellow racers along, which is what I was hoping to find here...
I do appreciate all of your advice though. A lot of you have been around lsr for along time and I respect that. But I'm trying to do something positive for my father. So let's leave all the negativity out of it. If you'd like to help, great. If not, that's fine too.... no need to make a big deal about it either way.
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Jack informs me he will take any monetary help offered. So will I.
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So what is "unseemly" about me putting the word out that my dad could use help?
"If you don't ask, the answer is always no."
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Jack informs me he will take any monetary help offered. So will I.
Same here. As of now I have funded all of our car out of my pocket save for $200. What I really could use is a new toter and trailer. Nothing extravagant, a Freightliner and 35 foot trailer will do :-D Oh, and fuel money for the rig! :-o
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Jack informs me he will take any monetary help offered. So will I.
Same here. As of now I have funded all of our car out of my pocket save for $200. What I really could use is a new toter and trailer. Nothing extravagant, a Freightliner and 35 foot trailer will do :-D Oh, and fuel money for the rig! :-o
Lol. Let me refer you to www.indiegogo.com. haha cheers! :cheers:
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Toter for sale.....
Help fund our land racing .....
We need money too...
We need to go to the Cook Shootout... ... Want to hear that hemi for 6 miles..
bob
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So what is "unseemly" about me putting the word out that my dad could use help?
"If you don't ask, the answer is always no."
To answer your question. Maybe it's a generational thing. I don't mind giving money to the VFW once in a while. I don't mind sending some money to this site, for services rendered. But I don't like being asked for money in the grocery store parking lot by a homeless person. And I would never think of asking anyone for money to pay for my racing. A sponsor is usually selling something. But not always. I never had a sponsor. But I did get some good deals from shops at which I spent plenty of money. I didn't ask for any discount. It was offered. Kent Fuller's car is the first I have heard of doing this "Kick Start" deal. He did some work for me when his shop was in Belmont. Charged me for it, to. More power to you if you raise some cash. For me, I would as soon ask for money to go to Vegas as Wendover.
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Hey Rich...
I need to go to Wells...
Does that count...
What if I said Please.. ?
:-D
bob
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So what is "unseemly" about me putting the word out that my dad could use help?
"If you don't ask, the answer is always no."
To answer your question. Maybe it's a generational thing. I don't mind giving money to the VFW once in a while. I don't mind sending some money to this site, for services rendered. But I don't like being asked for money in the grocery store parking lot by a homeless person. And I would never think of asking anyone for money to pay for my racing. A sponsor is usually selling something. But not always. I never had a sponsor. But I did get some good deals from shops at which I spent plenty of money. I didn't ask for any discount. It was offered. Kent Fuller's car is the first I have heard of doing this "Kick Start" deal. He did some work for me when his shop was in Belmont. Charged me for it, to. More power to you if you raise some cash. For me, I would as soon ask for money to go to Vegas as Wendover.
Perhaps you didn't notice on the website where I am offering merchandise in exchange for contributions. Perhaps you should open your eyes before you open your mouth.
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Perhaps you noticed that I was answering your question. Yes I did see your web site. My answer still stands.
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Perhaps you noticed that I was answering your question. Yes I did see your web site. My answer still stands.
Considering you've read the website and still equate it with a homeless man begging for money only leads me to conclude that you are a rather simple minded person. I appreciate your comments nontheless, however unfounded they may be. If you can't see the positive effort of a son trying to help his father then please move along. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Gentlemen - please :-D
DW
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Gentlemen - please :-D
DW
Thank you for interjecting. We were getting off topic. BTW I should show you the pictures of my "White Goose Bar Racing" Yamaha R6. Mike Manghelli was nice enough to give me some decals for it. It was looking good but sadly I took a nasty spill at Buttonwillow raceway in February
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Ryan,
You and your Dad are valued members of the White Goose Bar team. Many people make comments without knowing the players. Brad's committment to Jack and Rick show the passion many of us have for LSR. Living in Modesto, traveling to San Jose to help Jack and then to Lancaster to help Rick are the things that mean so much and are priceless.
If you fell on the the decal we can provide a replacement,
DW
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Haha thanks. I definitely fell on the decal... and much more. Ill try to send you some pictures later tonight
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So what is "unseemly" about me putting the word out that my dad could use help?
three weeks ago 3 people died, 260 were injured with more than a dozen people losing limbs.
people obviously have differing opinions on what constitutes "a person who could use help"...
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Jo Maoma.....Well said........................................
DW...........How are you doing?..........and do tell us the dollar amount you donated, as it might inspire others...................
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Ryan,
Sounds like your hitting a dead end with fellow racers. Its an interesting approach, just the wrong audience.
I drag raced off and on for 10 years and never once thought of asking another racer for help money or parts wise. On my dental floss budget if I broke something or couldnt afford a race I didnt go. I had offers at times when I was at the track from fellow racers when I broke something from transmissions to complete engines when I grenaded mine. It helped that my folks were long time racers and I worked at a local perfomance shop at the time and knew lots of racers. People assumed that being that I worked for the perfomance store that I had a trailer full of spare parts and money provided to go racing. Not the case. I didnt have the moeny to fix my stuff right away so I certainly wasnt going to take the chance of borrowing somebodies elses stuff and possibly hurt it too. Johnny Loper never gave me a dime to go racing nor a free part for my car. Sure he loaned me some money to buy my first race car and I paid every bit back with interest. I couldnt even get the parts reps from companies like Comp Cams, Holley, MSD etc to help me out with parts. They were too afraid to upset Johnny and possibly ( in their eyes ) lose his business. Bottom line, i scraped and scrimped to get my cars together ( as do so many racers ) and get to a race. I worked long and hard for everything little thing I had in my car and every race I went to. Thats probably why it was so devastating 9 years ago when my operation was stolen and never recovered. If I do make the big decision and make that leap to building a LSR, itll be on a similar dental floss budget as I ran the drag car on and if I cant afford a weekend at El Mo or the salt, I wont go until I can.
Agian I do admire your approach, just wansnt the right people to approach. As someone suggested, an email campaign amongst family and friends could work. I once raised 3k for a marathon I ran with the Leukemia and Lymphoma society. As you said youll never know if you dont ask. Good luck
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Actually I have $3000 in parts in one car, not mine, that has been well covered on this site. He didn't ask. I offered. A few years ago I loaned out my whole car, trailer, truck, fire suit, and tools to a friend and cancer survivor, so that he could go to Bonneville a couple of times. Paid the entry too. I got something out of that. A WOS T shirt. Seemed like a good deal at the time.
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Virtually everyone land speed racing is self funded and in all probability underfunded. To expect them to fund someone else's racing is not realistic.
Joe
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I have not seen a racer turn down a request for time, parts/tools loaned or build and transport assistance whenever it was possible.
Money only seems to come into play when something unusual occurs. Last year a hat was passed after a rider had to dismount his bike at speed when external combustion left it unsuitable to continue, then left it a smouldering pile. When people see a major failure or accident that affects driver or their families, the wallets come out.
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The same amount as you if you discount the $4 sticker. Supporting three cars takes all the time and resources I can bear. As mentioned here a majority of LSR racers are self funded and that is one of the beauties of this sport. Can't afford an event, don't go. Eat an apple for desert, skip the Tiramisu.
DW
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I have not seen a racer turn down a request for time, parts/tools loaned or build and transport assistance whenever it was possible.
Money only seems to come into play when something unusual occurs. Last year a hat was passed after a rider had to dismount his bike at speed when external combustion left it unsuitable to continue, then left it a smouldering pile. When people see a major failure or accident that affects driver or their families, the wallets come out.
Ive seen that many times over the years when someone has crashed at the drags or has suffered some kind of medical issue or some kind of financial hardship away from the track. Racers are very generous at times when it comes to situations like that.
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Dan....
I'm so broke.....
My Girlfriend ate.. Tiramisu at that nice restaurant Romanza @ Montego Bay...
since I couldn't afford it...
I had to just eat her...
bob :-D
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DW.......Well said...............We go back a long ways...........I have always found you to be one of the few SCTA/BNI
"officials" that would take the time to resolve any and all our problems.......thanks for all your volunteer work over all these past years......hopefully they won't dump you like they did Glen...................................................................
Sorry, not really the subject at hand.........I think Ryan by now understands to go and find dollars in other places....
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We can only hope. Nothing against his effort, just the wrong venue. Example: I just spent a day and a half making a throttle pedal assembly from shop leftovers to fit the wifes camaro so I wouldn't drop a c-note on buying one. Now I can buy oil and filters... yea :-)
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bak189 -
..... Supporting three cars takes all the time and resources I can bear. As mentioned here a majority of LSR racers are self funded and that is one of the beauties of this sport. Can't afford an event, don't go. Eat an apple for desert, skip the Tiramisu.
DW
Well said Dan, I haven't run a car in 2 years as money has been tight. But on the flip side I did enjoy going to the events and giving 100% of my time to help anyone who needed it. This year is going to be a little better, I will be running a car. Peter.
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Glad to hear that Peter.
DW
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Ryan,
I could not help but noticed a nice red 27 Ford T in a couple of the pictures on the website and one on the Facebook link. If your Dad still has that car I would think about putting it up for sale. Selling it would solve all your financial woes. You could be at Bonneville this year with money to spend.
Tom G.
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Just a addition to what Rich said: In 1980 our country entered into a severe depression economy which amongst other things bankrupt the company I was employed by.
To stay alive, I worked for the next three years in the Oil Fields of Prudhoe Bay, Alaska.
We worked nine weeks on, two weeks off so to keep from having to store my earthly goods, get rid of my pets and anything else that gave me a reason for hope, I offered my house as is, free rent, to people I didn't know (eleven in total) and only asked that they pay their personal phone bills, take care of my pets and handle any emergency.
After three years and upon returning home for good, I totaled it all up: Not one of them so much as washed a window, one cat died from lack of care, several personal items were stolen, and I ate about a grand worth of phone charges.
Moral to the story: As has been said by many before me, Never give anything for free, it won't be appreciated (especially be friends or relatives who will commit suicide before repaying you).
On the other hand, my first year I showed up with a never fired or completed Race Car and it took us three days to make it to tech.
Innocent bystanders ended up under the car helping hook things up. Al Teague GAVE me several AN fittings (he said he was to busy to look, just go dig in the box and take what you need)! He refused any money for the three or four HI-Buck fittings I took.
From that day on I have loaned or given ballast weights, hardware, Fuel, Tires and Tools to anyone who has asked.
I have never charged a dime only asked that they be returned ASAP.
The ballast (which I had forgotten about) came back one year later but in fact DID COME BACK!
Moral to story............ 99%% of Bville Racers would shoot their Dog before screwing you.................... friends and relatives figure you can afford it.......
One Run, out
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White goose bar needs to sponsor a FUNNY CAR 8-)
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Why, Junior? Won't they even let you visit for beers as it is now? :cheers: :cheers: Take your car to the salt? Nah, probably not. So how're we going to see it run?
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Dang,
All of you beat me to it.. :cheers:
One year I spent over 56k (over half of my income at the time) to buy parts to race, entry's, leathers, travel, fuel etc...it's not even a race..its a time trial..good thing I came in first. :roll:
JohnFNNoonan
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Junior knows that the Cook clan, with its wide spread family tree limbs, are always welcome at the WGB. We are looking forward to putting wood blocks on the pedals of the roadster so that Courtney can drive.
DW
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Ryan,
I could not help but noticed a nice red 27 Ford T in a couple of the pictures on the website and one on the Facebook link. If your Dad still has that car I would think about putting it up for sale. Selling it would solve all your financial woes. You could be at Bonneville this year with money to spend.
Tom G.
Tom,
My Uncle Steve bought that 27 T in 2006 just months before he passed away. He and my Dad never got the chance to restore it together like they had planned. So my Dad, my brothers and I restored it together as a tribute. And if you'll notice, the streamliner build is dedicated to my Uncle, and it is painted the same red as the T Bucket. Needless to say, it is not, nor will it ever be for sale. But thank you for the suggestion.
I completely understand the budgets (or lack thereof) that every racer has to live by. I grew up around racing, I've watched my Dad exchange favors for people in exchange for parts ect... I race motorcycles myself. Believe me, I know what it's like to scrape and scrounge for money and parts. Hell, I have to come up with money to fix my motorcycle by June for Fontana. But for some reason you all think I am trying to raise money for this streamliner as if I'M the one benefiting. I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this for my Dad. He's not the one asking for help. He (like many of you) would never dream of asking anybody for money to fund his hobbies. Just like I would never ask anyone for money to fund my personal hobbies. We all have too much pride and respect for one another to do such a thing.
That being said, there is nothing wrong with a son creating a fundraiser in an attempt to help his Dad and show him that there are poeple willing to get behind him. You all are making this out to be something synical and taking the fun out of it.
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Ryan,
there is nothing wrong to start a fundraiser....but maybe, so young you are you have not seen that the moment to ask here at Landracing was a very unlucky timing.
Your bad luck was, that two, not very popular fundraiser, was still in the mind of the users from Landracing.com.
I think I know your dad and he done a great job on the streamliner, also you can see the influence of my old buddy Jack Costella.
Running at the salt is a dream......sometimes it needs a little bit longer to turn this dream into reality...and so it needs patience......I can tell this from my own experience... :roll:
Your dad isn't that old.....for a salt racer he still young......and sometimes it helps to wait a little bit....pressure was never a helper at the salt.
And maybe your try opens a other door......the spirit of Bonneville shows up in the strangest way.......
I wish you all the best luck and don't be frustrated about the current result.....you had just a bad luck with your unfortunately timing....but time will tell you if it was really a bad timing....
and as you wrote, who not ask will get no answer.....only that sometimes the answer can be different than your hope......it is like the salt.....you run....and after the meet you go home with a record or a pack of experience.....but important is, that you have give a try.
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Ryan,
I could not help but noticed a nice red 27 Ford T in a couple of the pictures on the website and one on the Facebook link. If your Dad still has that car I would think about putting it up for sale. Selling it would solve all your financial woes. You could be at Bonneville this year with money to spend.
Tom G.
Tom,
My Uncle Steve bought that 27 T in 2006 just months before he passed away. He and my Dad never got the chance to restore it together like they had planned. So my Dad, my brothers and I restored it together as a tribute. And if you'll notice, the streamliner build is dedicated to my Uncle, and it is painted the same red as the T Bucket. Needless to say, it is not, nor will it ever be for sale. But thank you for the suggestion.
I completely understand the budgets (or lack thereof) that every racer has to live by. I grew up around racing, I've watched my Dad exchange favors for people in exchange for parts ect... I race motorcycles myself. Believe me, I know what it's like to scrape and scrounge for money and parts. Hell, I have to come up with money to fix my motorcycle by June for Fontana. But for some reason you all think I am trying to raise money for this streamliner as if I'M the one benefiting. I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this for my Dad. He's not the one asking for help. He (like many of you) would never dream of asking anybody for money to fund his hobbies. Just like I would never ask anyone for money to fund my personal hobbies. We all have too much pride and respect for one another to do such a thing.
That being said, there is nothing wrong with a son creating a fundraiser in an attempt to help his Dad and show him that there are poeple willing to get behind him. You all are making this out to be something synical and taking the fun out of it.
Ryan I think what Tom was saying is sometimes we need to sacrafice a "toy" to move on to another? I know I do, I have a LONG list of, I wish I still had's. We have NO money for this hobby and this is why we're only running 80mph, I would love a 250mph roadster but that aint gonna happen unless I hit the lotto. The bottom line is WE'RE DOING IT and haveing the times of our life, even with no money, sleeping in the dirt and eating raw potatos at the events. Good luck it will come in time! See you at El Mo in May!
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All he (the son) needs to do is take out a loan on his house or a line of credit and give the money to his Pop, I am certain his father would be happy for sure. :cheers: If not give the money to another racer :-D
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Pork Pie;
Your statement
"...and as you wrote, who not ask will get no answer....."
Reminded me of a saying of one of my Dad's fellow officers, Major Louis Greenfield, had: "You don't ask, you don't get."
BTW, Joline and I just returned from a trip to Germany and we both enjoyed it very much. Checkpoint Charlie in Berlin sure has changed since 1963!
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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Neil,
great to hear that you and Joline had a nice time in Berlin.
Could you meet your German friend?
Hope you can make it to the salt this year - looking for to seeing you there.
All the best
Pork Pie
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Pork Pie;
Yes, we did meet Wolfgang and his wife Doris. We were there in Soltau for his 50th- year anniversary celebration of his escape from East Berlin. Coincidentally, his East German army training had been on the island of Rugen; we had already made reservations to stay there in Sellin for a few days before driving on to Berlin. BTW, we drove past the spot on the Frankfurt- Darmstadt autobahn where Bernd Rosemeyer was killed in the Auto-Union LSR streamliner.
Thanks so much for your help in locating Wolfgang. Yes, I plan to tow my car to Speedweek to get an inspection even though it won't be completely finished by then.
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ