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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: Randall Parker on March 22, 2013, 02:38:22 PM
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does anyone know what engine he used for that Mustang at Bonneville. It would also be cool to know how fast he went. Thanks
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I believe you'll find there were 3 cars, red, blue, and yellow. All had different engines. Which one do you want to know about?
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Hot Rod has a tube port article about this in the current issue.
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In the book Fast Fords by Alex Gabbard, It just mentions the three cars and one with a 302, and one with a 427. Says they set 295 US, and international records. They must not have run the third car because there was no mention of engine size, or how it did. I don't know if the writer new a lot about LSR timing, he states that the 302 went 106.08 in the standing mile, which would put him at 180 at the mile mark. :roll:
He states the 427 went 112.45 in the standing mile which would put him at over 190 at the mile mark. :roll: The engines were factory engines, so the 106 and 112 would be pretty much on the mark. The writer must have been thinking drag racing, or they timed differently in 69.
Steve
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Standing-start records (average speed for the particular distance) are part of FIA; always have been.
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I know that Jack, but the article said these were factory cars with factory engines, why there was a 427 in a 69 Mach I, I don't know. The 427 had turned into the 428 CJ in 68, I heard there was a few of the 69 1/2 Mach I s' were given 429 CJs but have never seen one.
The 302 averaged just under 160 in the 3 mile indurance run, I would think that if they were factory set ups, like the article said, their top speed would be close to 165. Without ballast they would be close to airborne at that speed.
The brand new corvette run on top gear from the standing 1 mile just barely met the figures of the 302. So something just doesn't figure. I'm sure I will be enlightened by a Mustang guru, or Danny, which ever comes first. I raced a 70 shelby GT 500 back in 72 with my Torino, and his front end came off the ground at 145, scared the crap out of both of us. :-o
Steve
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I was out there watching them run in 1968. Danny Ongais drove as well as Mickey. Mickey gave me a ride in one of the Mustangs on the International Course to give me an idea of the various issues at speed. Scared the dickens out of me. They did have three cars, but one blew the engine in the mile at speed. I thought it was the blue one, but maybe not. Bert Munro was also out there observing. They also ran for endurance records on the 10-mile circle. He was very generous with his time even though they were very busy with all of the records they attempted.
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Holy coolness Mayoman, I would consider you blessed by the Gods of Speed. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Steve
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What Steve said....you were lucky to be a part of it, Mayoman.... :cheers:
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Wow, way more information on this subject than I expected, big thanks for the memories.
rp
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What is sad is out of the three cars only the blue one is around. The yellow and red ones went back to Holman and Moody and were converted to Grand –Am cars. Bobby Allison raced the red car under Coke sponsorship in Grand-Am and was later sold to Buddy Arrington to run in the ARCA series where it was destroyed. The yellow one met the same fate, though the details are a little murky and rumors persist that it may still be around in some form.
As a side note according to John Helash in late 1969 he was going to get the blue car in exchange for building Micky a basement at his house (john was a contractor) but they just couldn’t agree on all the details. That’s when John bought his ’69 mustang and had the Holman and Moody 427 SOHC installed in it for the salt. Tony
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Do you mind if I relay this information to the Saac Forum. They are the Mustang guys and they were asking me about it. I have a few old Mustangs (corvettes, Camaros, etc) myself and I am always interested in these stories being preserved.
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I would also very much like to hear how John Helash did with his SOHC 427 effort.
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... a few old Mustangs (corvettes, Camaros, etc)...
:? That's a confusing phrase...
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... a few old Mustangs (corvettes, Camaros, etc)...
:? That's a confusing phrase...
I can't believe you've never heard of the Ford Corvette... :-o
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I've led a sheltered life...
Tell me about "the Ford Corvette".
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I've led a sheltered life...
Tell me about "the Ford Corvette".
I was just being sarcastic... :-)
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I thought it was the first Thunderbird.
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I think its the 1963 Cougar II that is being referred to. Tony
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I think its the 1963 Cougar II that is being referred to. Tony
I think anything pre '73 is cougar now..... :cheers:
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I think its the 1963 Cougar II that is being referred to. Tony
I think anything pre '73 is cougar now..... :cheers:
Naw, 1968-80 can still be considered MILF, older is Cougar :-D
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:-o :-D :-D :-D Tony
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My, my, you guys have taken a thread about one of the greatest pioneers of automotive history, posted by a young man thirsty for knowledge, from the city of morality, and turned it into a sexist lesson of immoral dirogitory terms. :-o Now Randall you can say, way more info than I expected, thanks for the great post. :cheers:
Steve
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My, my, you guys have taken a thread about one of the greatest pioneers of automotive history, posted by a young man thirsty for knowledge, from the city of morality, and turned it into a sexist lesson of immoral dirogitory terms. :-o Now Randall you can say, way more info than I expected, thanks for the great post. :cheers:
Steve
there DOES seem to be a lot of racy innuendo there ....
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My, my, you guys have taken a thread about one of the greatest pioneers of automotive history, posted by a young man thirsty for knowledge, from the city of morality, and turned it into a sexist lesson of immoral dirogitory terms. :-o Now Randall you can say, way more info than I expected, thanks for the great post. :cheers:
Steve
there DOES seem to be a lot of racy innuendo there ....
In hindsight I think Stan nailed it in his usual understated style, before we even got started...nice one Jim. :wink:
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My, my, you guys have taken a thread about one of the greatest pioneers of automotive history, posted by a young man thirsty for knowledge, from the city of morality, and turned it into a sexist lesson of immoral dirogitory terms. :-o Now Randall you can say, way more info than I expected, thanks for the great post. :cheers:
Steve
You are welcome. :-D
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OMG Please don't tell me that none of you have heard of the white 71 Vette with a Boss 429 engine -- YES Boss 9 powered Vette...
... a few old Mustangs (corvettes, Camaros, etc)...
:? That's a confusing phrase...
I can't believe you've never heard of the Ford Corvette... :-o
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When did they run a Mustang with the 4 cam Indy engine?
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Only one I believe I have heard of is the Martini T-5R car. More a what if than a real racer.
If you have more info on another I would love to hear about it. The "oddballs" make hot roding great.
When did they run a Mustang with the 4 cam Indy engine?
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I am interested in what Mickey Thompson did in his Mustangs and what Jon Helac did in his because I very much want to bring my 1970 Boss 9 (kk2159) out and run it. Classic records set by the Super Bird (clone superbird apparently) are 238 mph. I figure a 1000hp 429 can get there even with a Carburetor. I have a period
Holley 1000 cfm 4150 style carb I would like to try it with. Big Red Camaro is a "flyin Brick" IDK, maybe I can get another "Brick" built by Ford to do the same if I can keep it on the ground and not spin!
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Randall welcome back... been a while. Are you sure you want to bring your Boss to the salt.... of course if you are planning a frame off restoration you could without worry of rotting before your eyes. :?
Sounds cool, one of my favorite fords... could be fun but it might be better to build a clone... than cut and cage an original for Bonneville.
:cheers:
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Cammer motor?
There is a Mustang with a clear plexi hood with a cammer, and it is an a private collection i So Cal