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Title: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 09, 2012, 08:39:54 PM
I'll put this topic up for your opinions about whether the attempt at making a more modern steam locomotive break the existing (about 125 mph) record is something we ought to even have here on the land speed racing website.  Have at it, ladies and gentlemen.
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 09, 2012, 09:12:14 PM
In the transportation gallery of the Science and Industry Museum in Chicago, there are two icons of land speed.

The #999 New York Central Railroad's steam locomotive, which ran 112.5 mph in 1893.

And when you turn around, you see the Spirit of America, Craig Breedlove's car.

When I first saw the displays as a kid, I was awestruck by both.

Trains are the original mechanized land speed vehicles.  I'd run with it.
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Post by: 4-barrel Mike on November 09, 2012, 09:15:26 PM
beentheredonethat  :-D

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,11335.0.html (http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,11335.0.html)

Mike
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Peter Jack on November 09, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
It's the off season. We can use a little extra stimulation.  :-D :-D :-D

Pete
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Post by: RidgeRunner on November 10, 2012, 07:54:34 AM
     After 35 years on the RR working on diesel power I could be considered a bit biased.  It's speed on land so I say go for it.

      NYC #999 in 1893.....makes me wonder if that had an influence on Henry's ice record car# ?

      The Stanley brothers and Fred Marriot were way ahead of their time when they ran at Daytona.

       How long for the new tech to surpass the old?  Should be interesting.

                Ed
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Post by: Dynoroom on November 10, 2012, 10:33:39 PM
It's the off season. We can use a little extra stimulation.  :-D :-D :-D

Pete

Gee PJ, that hurts....... were still running at El Mirage this weekend.......  :wink:
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Peter Jack on November 10, 2012, 11:16:37 PM
I have a distorted viewpoint Mike, from under a rather large dump of snow. We were under heavy snowfall warnings for the last couple of days. We finally saw the sun this morning.  :roll: :roll: :-D

Good luck to all those running at Elmo. Sounds like the speeds are high!

Pete
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Stainless1 on November 11, 2012, 08:59:52 PM
I'll bet the damn thing drives like it's on rails  :roll:
 :cheers:

it doesent need a section but anything concerning speed should get a thread
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Speed Limit 1000 on November 13, 2012, 01:42:36 AM
I want to know how we can get a ride on the fast train :cheers:
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Post by: JustaRacer on November 13, 2012, 09:34:48 AM
Dunno.  Breaking a record that was set with 1930's tech by using 2012 tech seems like a slam dunk.  Should double the record? 

Like the guy who jumped out of a balloon at 130k feet, he broke a record set by guys who were just testing whether U2 and SR71 pilots could survive a bailout, hence didn't try for more than 100k.

And Kittenger? didn't know it was survivable at the time, and did it anyhow.  The 2012 record breaker knew it was survivable using old technology beforehand.

Pretty neat stuff, but seems somehow unfair.

Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 13, 2012, 11:51:46 AM
Well, 2012 techonology will be used -- in a 1930-era body.  If you look more closely at the information in the link you'll see the "enthusiasts" have procured an old steam locomotive as their test bed for the new boiler and fuel.  So - they'll still have to push some monster hardware down the track.  No streamline-y body, no slick aero tricks at all.  At least that's what I got out of the article.
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Post by: Stan Back on November 13, 2012, 12:18:34 PM
"Drives like it's on rails"  ? ? ?

Oh -- that's how they keep track of it!
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: floydjer on November 14, 2012, 10:28:55 AM
Leave it to Stan to tie that together....................................
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Post by: Stan Back on November 14, 2012, 01:49:55 PM
It just spiked my interest.
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Post by: JustaRacer on November 14, 2012, 02:27:00 PM
Seems the thread is getting derailed by those who think this is puny.  I won't be railroaded into anything puny.
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Post by: USFRAMONTE on November 14, 2012, 03:00:39 PM
Maybe they are just trying to blow off a little steam!
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Post by: Glen on November 14, 2012, 03:06:30 PM
Obama says no coal burners
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Post by: floydjer on November 14, 2012, 03:16:52 PM
I knew this would get side-tracked.............................
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: floydjer on November 14, 2012, 03:18:10 PM
Obama says no coal burners
That`s a "tender" subject...........
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Post by: JustaRacer on November 14, 2012, 03:59:51 PM
Now you're just beating a dead iron horse.
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Post by: Geo on November 14, 2012, 04:42:01 PM
It's OK if someone is to derail the thread.

Stan will get it back on track.
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Post by: Glen on November 14, 2012, 05:14:59 PM
There are rail road tracks that run right down HWY 80 maybe we could do it at salt talks should be interesting to see a train at speed, remember Ab Jenkins raced one from SLC and won.  :cheers:
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Post by: landsendlynda on November 14, 2012, 09:35:12 PM
You guys get steamed up over every little thing, it's too easy to de-rail your interests by side-tracking your locomotion!!   

You do realize you're running out of time to get the wishlist to Santa so that you're ready for racing next year, right?

Just wanted to make sure you were all on the right track!!

Lynda
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 14, 2012, 10:28:08 PM
No train racing, or Lynda will put coal in our stockings!   :wink:
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Post by: Freud on November 14, 2012, 11:01:51 PM
Just make certain that your pop off valve ain't stuck.

FREUD
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: floydjer on November 15, 2012, 07:40:20 AM
And with that single action, Freud compounds the issue. :cheers:
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: landsendlynda on November 15, 2012, 12:22:10 PM
Freud, don't keep stoking the boiler, it's going to blow more steam than the engine can handle and everything will derail!   :-o

Lynda
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Glen on November 15, 2012, 02:00:44 PM
Freud will make it run backwards as the streamlining can be changed.
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: JustaRacer on November 15, 2012, 02:49:29 PM
I hope the engineers working on this project have the right training.  They are going to under a lot of pressure.
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: floydjer on November 15, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
I hope the engineers working on this project have the right training.  They are going to under a lot of pressure.
That may be difficult to gauge....................
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: JustaRacer on November 15, 2012, 03:18:45 PM
I hope the engineers working on this project have the right training.  They are going to under a lot of pressure.
That may be difficult to gauge....................

If they aren't trained right, they should switch before crossing that line.

Fore!
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Post by: USFRAMONTE on November 15, 2012, 03:35:00 PM
All this banter is driving me loco!
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Post by: 4-barrel Mike on November 15, 2012, 03:55:39 PM
All this banter is driving me loco!

That must be their motive.
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Peter Jack on November 15, 2012, 04:04:04 PM
Let's get this topic back on track with a tie in to lsr.  :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: grumm441 on November 16, 2012, 02:19:16 AM
Is it friday?
G
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Stan Back on November 16, 2012, 03:30:36 PM
Yes -- and hopefully the end of the line for all this foolishness.

Starchy Stan
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Post by: JustaRacer on November 16, 2012, 03:37:17 PM
The topic has gotten coaled.   :|
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Post by: LSR Mike on November 16, 2012, 04:38:59 PM
you guys are cracking me up. :-D
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: floydjer on November 19, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
Looks like most of the steam locomotive puns have been....Articulated :cheers:
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on November 19, 2012, 10:42:13 AM
We're not getting any traction on this subject.

(http://dlw-sussexbranch.com/Images/Waterloo/LRRNWNJ/wt-explosion-1890.JPG)

If you run anthracite coal does it put you in fuel class?
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: manta22 on November 19, 2012, 10:54:44 AM
Early nitro experiment?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
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Post by: USFRAMONTE on November 19, 2012, 12:41:39 PM
Looks like the engineer had a real blast piloting the one in the picture!
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: John Burk on November 19, 2012, 03:48:00 PM
My great uncle was an engineer in that area around that time . Who ever the engineer was it must have really gotten their attention .
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: floydjer on November 20, 2012, 07:06:16 AM
Neil..I doubt that was from nitro.............Too many useable parts leftover :cheers:
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Dr Goggles on November 20, 2012, 07:59:03 AM
A model joke........ HO HO HO

You've got a point you guys, i'm just waiting for a signal so I can express myself .
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: floydjer on November 20, 2012, 10:12:54 AM
Model joke?.....That`s a switch
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Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 20, 2012, 10:20:48 AM
Wait a minute.  That's enough frivolity.  I put the subject up here so we could see that there are other folks, in other venues and, most important, other technical areas, that are interested in ultimate top speed.  And what you folks do?  You derailed the topic.
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: floydjer on November 20, 2012, 10:25:12 AM
Gosh Jon...What SPURRED that outburst ??? :cheers:
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Post by: floydjer on November 20, 2012, 10:34:50 AM
I shall now give wide berth to our esteemed conductor....Lest he become ...can-tank-erous. :evil:
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Post by: manta22 on November 20, 2012, 11:26:54 AM
Keep on truckin'
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Post by: Milwaukee Midget on November 20, 2012, 11:42:50 AM
Gosh Jon...What SPURRED that outburst ??? :cheers:

It's like he's going to roundhouse somebody.  :|
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: floydjer on November 20, 2012, 01:32:32 PM
Gosh Jon...What SPURRED that outburst ??? :cheers:

It's like he's going to roundhouse somebody.  :|
And THAT could be terminal..................
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Peter Jack on November 20, 2012, 02:28:47 PM
It looks to me like he's trying to railroad us into being more serious, but I think one serious post would probably spur us onto the right track!  :-D :-D :-D

(It's off season!)

Pete
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: fredvance on November 20, 2012, 02:36:24 PM
Everybody has way too much time on their hands. Go work on your racer!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: floydjer on November 20, 2012, 03:27:24 PM
Everybody has way too much time on their hands. Go work on your racer!! :cheers:
With all it`s whistles and bells.......................... :wink:
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Jon on November 20, 2012, 03:28:45 PM
Just giving it a little shunt Jon.....

the other jon
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Post by: Bob Drury on November 20, 2012, 03:46:50 PM
  All ABOOOOOORRRRRRDDDDDD............... (or is that "we are all bored")? 
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Post by: Glen on November 20, 2012, 04:52:13 PM
Bob  would a turn table work for you. :-D
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Post by: floydjer on November 21, 2012, 09:18:28 AM
All of these puns made me lose my train of thought.............................
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Post by: AJR192 on November 21, 2012, 11:14:47 AM
This thread certainly has gotten derailed. Can it possibly get back on track??
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Post by: manta22 on November 21, 2012, 11:16:56 AM
The thought of all these puns makes me steamed!
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Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on November 21, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
I agree that we should switch the topic - and side track the silliness.  It's making me tender and wishing I'd see the caboose.
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: Malcolm UK on November 21, 2012, 03:28:08 PM
Now the topic is on track again ........... which governing body and under what conditions will the record be attempted? Railways are renowned for having down gradients to allow for a bit more speed. The Mallard record was set by a locomotive and carriages so will the US people have a similar length/weight/w.h.y.

Already it is suggested on the website that they will not be using steam coal, but some modern briquette.

Whether they can achieve more than 125 mph or 126 mph remains to be seen, but they will probably not run on a track that was at the time of the record attempt a normal railway line, but 28 year old steel rails.

It is said the A4 locomotive cost just £8,500.00 when it was built in '38.

Malcolm
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Post by: floydjer on November 23, 2012, 08:37:06 AM
OK Slim...I can read a signal..Stop now before crossing...the...line. :cheers:
Title: Re: Steam locomotive speed record?
Post by: floydjer on November 23, 2012, 08:38:28 AM
A model joke........ HO HO HO

You've got a point you guys, i'm just waiting for a signal so I can express myself .
Thought for sure this one would bring a new scale to this thread........................