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Title: Motorcycle: Front Brake required?
Post by: tylerm on October 26, 2012, 10:58:51 PM
I have a couple LSR bikes I have run at Speed Week the last few years, and I want to bring one (or both) of them to some ECTA meets in 2013. Neither has a front brake. Is one required to race at Wilmington? How long is the shut down? I couldn't find a course map on the ECTA website. Thanks in advance!

- Tyler
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Post by: 55chevr on October 27, 2012, 07:56:38 AM
Tyler --- What class does the bike race in ...


Joe
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Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on October 27, 2012, 09:26:09 AM
http://ecta-lsr.net/?page_id=678
http://ecta-lsr.net/ecta_wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Full-Map-with-Parking.pdf

Whoa is more important than go!  :cheers: Especially when the unexpected happens!  :-o :-o :-o
Title: Re: Motorcycle: Front Brake required?
Post by: 55chevr on October 27, 2012, 09:38:04 AM
Tyler.
The short answer is that over 175 mph front brakes are required.

Joe
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Post by: Stainless1 on October 27, 2012, 11:31:28 AM
We ran 189 at the Texas Mile with the 1000 in 05... in Bonneville trim... too much weight, no front brake...  made for a nice blue back brake after it cooled enough that you couldn't feel it from a foot or so away.  Rob was only in the dirt a couple of times  :-o
I would suggest putting on the front brake for any of the mile events.
Title: Re: Motorcycle: Front Brake required?
Post by: 55chevr on October 27, 2012, 11:58:48 AM
From AirNav;

"Runway 4R/22L
 Dimensions:  9000 x 150 ft. / 2743 x 46 m
 HAS 200 FT PAVED AREA EACH END.
 Surface:  concrete/grooved, in fair condition "

The starting line is right at the north end of runway. The mentioned 200' run off apron is staging area. Timing is the last 132' of the mile. There is .704 mile of shutdown plus the 200' runoff apron.

If you want to see an aerial view;
 https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=wilmington+airpark+ohio&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=35466521&biw=1786&bih=874&wrapid=tlif135135341407510&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
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Post by: panic on October 27, 2012, 03:32:52 PM
Full width drum vs. disc:
Drum has inherently stronger wheel with shorter spokes, narrower aero profile, no parasitic drag
Disc needs less contact area for the same BTU dump (higher pressure), faster cooling of fraction surfaces, only some calipers can be completely floated for no-drag in release mode
Title: Re: Motorcycle: Front Brake required?
Post by: tylerm on October 29, 2012, 10:27:30 PM
Thanks guys. The SCTA classes are 750cc A-VG and 1350 cc A-VF. The 750 (1955 Triumph) has no front brake, drum rear. Ran 120.9 at Bonneville.. so far. The 1350 is a dual-engine 1955 Triumph, no front brake, disc rear. Ran 129 mph so far, only have 12 or so runs on it as of yet, should be able to up that a decent amount.

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Post by: RacerX9623 on October 31, 2012, 09:23:35 AM
Twin engine Tryimph.  :-o. O man I can't wait till spring. You got any photos ?
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Post by: relaxedphit on November 01, 2012, 03:58:49 PM
Eric, you spelled the motorcycle brand like I rode it, but yes...pictures,pictures
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Post by: RacerX9623 on November 01, 2012, 08:38:44 PM
If I spell Triumph right can we have a video.. :-P
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Post by: tylerm on November 08, 2012, 11:23:43 AM
Sure, here are some videos!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPzboM3sjRo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPwPBi-PZe8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw3BXgInpqc
Title: Re: Motorcycle: Front Brake required?
Post by: relaxedphit on November 08, 2012, 03:29:30 PM
Marvelous videos - caught a couple of your others while on youtube. What did y'all run on the salt?
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Post by: RacerX9623 on November 08, 2012, 08:33:27 PM
Thanks for the Videos. That is a beautiful piece of work. I cant wait to see it. And hear it.
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Post by: Peter Jack on November 08, 2012, 08:44:50 PM
Loved the sound when it was leaving the line!  :-D :-D :-D

Pete
Title: Re: Motorcycle: Front Brake required?
Post by: tylerm on November 12, 2012, 10:28:16 AM
Got about 12 runs on it at Speed Week, teething issues and just little BS, learning the bike first half dozen runs. Top speed was 129mph, was having issues with what I thought was clutch slip, but ended up being wheel slip, so I am either going to change my seating position, or add ballast to the rear. I just got some nice scales so I can weigh it and make sure weight distribution is pretty equal, I think when I hit the throttle it hunkers down in the front and unweights the rear just enough to give me some slip at high speed when shifting and revving up

Set a record in 1350 cc A-VF but it was beat at World Of Speed a few weeks later by a dual engine Indian, he creamed my record at something like 148. I have a lot of things in the works for my bike right now and aim to come back and try for it again. Also am working on my single engine 1955 Triumph iron head bike that I set 2 records on in 2011, bringing that back to the Salt for 2013

Tyler