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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA Rules Questions => Topic started by: runt13 on March 04, 2012, 09:51:54 AM
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ok, got the rule book yesturday and read it.....many times. todd answered my question on class. i do have others
this is a 2002 X1 Buell, as it came from the factory. nothing added or removed.
as i understand it, i can remove pasenger pegs, turn signals, and mirors, i must add a updated kill switch and tether, steering dampner, and make sure the tires are rated for the speed i intend to run.
i believe i must install a metal chain / belt guard since the oem one is integrated into the abs rear fender
all modifications to the engine must be out of site and the bike must look factory oem. ok that sounds perfect for what i want to do, but i want to make sure!
want to run ceramic bearings in the wheels this season, possibly the engine next season?
want to run roller rockers, better valves and springs, raise compression, change pushrods and lifters as well as the cams
also want to gut the oem muffler and install a custom baffle, it says in the book must not alter exhuast outlet. can i modify the muffler internally?
if i am on the rite track, i am a happy man. would hate to show up and have a useless bike.
RUNT
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Yes.
As long as you can gut the muffler without any external signs, including looking down into the exhaust, you are good to go.
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Only one thing that I saw is a "no-no": the tires must be rated for the speed of the record in your class, not just the speed you're intending to run (unless you're planning on going over the record :-).
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and make sure the tires are rated for the ''class'' i intend to run.
got it slim, thanks
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Remember to bring documentation that supports your Production classification. Shop manual / owners manuals usually have photos of both sides of bike ... Joe
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yup got it. bought this bike for my son when he graduated high school, believe i got everything.
however it does bring up a question, this is a california bike, and has a charcoal emission canister on it....can that be removed, its not in the shop / parts manual picture.
just want to be in 100% complience
and slim the maxton record is like 150+mph, i got tires rated for 168mph i believe thats ok. now another question, [not that i think i will be able to do this] what if i go over 168mph, then what?
RUNT
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No big deal if you go over the speed rating/rule. The officials will only snip your testicles, place them in a jar of formaldehyde and keep the jar. You'll get it back once you show up in tech with proper tires for your new speed. :evil:
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No big deal if you go over the speed rating/rule. The officials will only snip your testicles, place them in a jar of formaldehyde and keep the jar. You'll get it back once you show up in tech with proper tires for your new speed. :evil:
Whoa Slim,
Bike tech is tough!! I think we'll stick with cars.....!
Oue Best To You,
Geo Turner
Geezer Racing
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I'd guess Nancy has nothing to worry about.
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Nope -- I always had the correct tires.
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ouch!
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next question....what is the spec fuel for ecta, got dyno time this sat and would like to tune with the correct fuel / gas.
RUNT
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Our Pres... Joe Timney posted that ROCKET will be our fuel vendor.
Charles
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another question...
since i am running in the production class, can i run a 1 size wider rear tire? the reason i ask is that the tires i want do not come in the std size.
RUNT
what i was asking is there a specific gasoline i need to run. do i need to show up with a empty tank. and thanks for the responce.
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You should review the rule book before the event. It can save a lot of heartburn.
I suggest you contact Todd Dross - ECTA chief motorcycle tech
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have rule book permenently attatched to my left hand, will try to contact todd
runt
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ok talked to todd today, all good on my questions....well i got another
were do i get a log book?
it seems everytime i go threw my things to do list...... it gets longer.
runt
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When you get to Ohio and pick up your inspection sheet from the trailer, you can buy the log book. Fill it out on the inspection line, as the first line on the inspection sheet is "log book filled out and presented".
Joe
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thanks joe, you going to be in ohio? by now i must owe you a beer.
RUNT
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I will be there ... I will be working the Motorcycle Tech Line ... see you there ...
Joe
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yup another question...having a heck of a time making a metal beltguard and keeping the lower / inner fender, can i remove the fender. its just a abs piece that is attatched to the swingarm to keep debri from landing under the seat. no performance advantage once removed.
well i just cancelled easter, gonna be a thrashing next 48hrs
RUNT
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yup another question...having a heck of a time making a metal beltguard and keeping the lower / inner fender, can i remove the fender. its just a abs piece that is attatched to the swingarm to keep debri from landing under the seat. no performance advantage once removed.
well i just cancelled easter, gonna be a thrashing next 48hrs
RUNT
Don't know about removing a fender in Production. However, sometimes you can easily over enginner making a metal chain guard and cause yourself all kinds of grief. Remember the purpose of a chain guard is to protect the rider, sometimes the existing frame can protect better than a guard on some sections.
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Removing an inner fender will get you tossed out of Impound if it's noticed by the inspector, or if someone decides to notice the lack and protests you. Or so I feel. Production class calls for exactly like it came off the showroom floor, remember, even if it isn't a safety issue.
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glad i kept at it, only took 6 beers, 2 mac donalds fish sandwiches, and a 230am bed time to completly over engineer a nice under the fender belt guard, that retains the oem fender and i believe is very protective of me the rider.
i thank all of you for the help, if you would all just stop by we could be done in like 15minutes.
actually this is turning out to be alot of fun.
RUNT
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This sounds like a good build, hope you have a great time with it.
Maybe Slim can comment on this, but the BUB event rules state the exhaust must not point be toward the salt surface. My Buell S1 had the stock pipe aimed down, not sure but does the X1 not have twin exhaust with angled down tips?
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its been real fun so far, tires came in today, and i got a 55tooth rear pully off e-bay. so far only got 147.3mph rear wheel speed on the dyno. looking 4 165+ to even have a chance of coming close to the maxton recoord.
but then again i dont exspect to do anything but get threw tech and make a clean pass to show everyone i can ride...lol
i relly enjoy working in my shop, towards this goal.
the muffler is stock and exits rearward its a single can, come to think of it, this whole bike is completly stock except the gearing and safty mods [dampner, tires, and beltguard, kill switch] i do have other goodies for the next race but ran out of time.
well got to get some sleep and start over tomaro
RUNT
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pully got here yesturday, and she fits with the oem belt. got the kill switch wired in and started making the dampner mounts.
so i was reading the rulebook for the millionth time, and noticed that there is a rule on fire retardent fuel line coverings on non valved fuel lines. this bike is oem fuel injected, do i need to cover the fuel lines?
also i asked about gas / fuel requirments a while back. is there a spec fuel [say like rockets 100 unleaded] for the production pushrod class or do i just get the gas / fuel i wish to run from rocket and go from there?
well got to go to grandma's 90th birthday tonite, but tomarow im back at it
RUNT
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is your fuel pump inside the tank? If so you are good. Just make sure the pump turns off with the tethered kill switch.
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The simple answer is you must use event fuel ...
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fuel pump in tank, and is tied into teather.
event fuel it is!
runt
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WOW! SAFETY WIRING SUCKS! GLAD I BOUGHT 60 DRILL BITS.
RUNT
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Remember 6 to 8 twists per inch ...
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that i didnt know, still on the drill the bolt ends part of it.
runt
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ok, time to do the twisting of the wire.
really there is a spec on the number of twists?
i have drilled the front fork pinch bolts [4], the trans and oil drain plugs, hose clamped and wired oil filter, front brake caliper mounts [just cause i had them off], and my stealth rear under the inner fender belt guard. is there anything else i have to do to pass tech? [ as far as safety wire]
thanks RUNT
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Rear axle, pinned or wired. Oil/Trans fill plugs.
I'm not aware of specs on the number of twist...I also could be wrong, too.
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pinned?, i assembled the axels to spec, then drilled a 1/8 hole just outside the nut and put in a cotter pin in the hole....will that work?, fill plug is going to be fun...lol
RUNT
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ok, time to do the twisting of the wire.
really there is a spec on the number of twists?
there is a right way a wrong way and a British way to do everything.
This is a good safety wire explanation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_wire
cotter pins is good for the axle.
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The FAA has a spec for aircraft "Safetying". The spec is available in a number of places;
http://lta-lsr.com/Documents/Safety%20Wiring%20Methods.pdf
http://ebookbrowse.com/faa-safety-wiring-pdf-d152389467
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If there's lard in Elmer's glue, I'm surprised it's not fried and on some menu down here. Has the oil plug/filter wiring returned to the rule book? I've always done it because it just
makes sense.
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thanks to all that gave me there 2 cents here, we went right threw tech with the bike. had a great weekend.
RUNT
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So, Runt -- what'd you run?
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saturday, rookie / rookie lic. pass 117.3MPH got my 125 lic. sunday run 1, 117.1mph [my foot and the gear shifter were not getting along, grabbed a false nuetral between 4th and 5th]. 2nd run went 132.6mph [had a nice direct tail wind] 3rd run 130.1mph.
very happy with my weekend, i met my goals and then some. the only person more happy then me is the local bike shop that just got a huge deposit on my not so huge parts order. will be back in september. looking for 150mph, but will be happy with 132.7mph...LOL
RUNT
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saturday, rookie / rookie lic. pass 117.3MPH got my 125 lic. sunday run 1, 117.1mph [my foot and the gear shifter were not getting along, grabbed a false nuetral between 4th and 5th]. 2nd run went 132.6mph [had a nice direct tail wind] 3rd run 130.1mph.
very happy with my weekend, i met my goals and then some. the only person more happy then me is the local bike shop that just got a huge deposit on my not so huge parts order. will be back in september. looking for 150mph, but will be happy with 132.7mph...LOL
RUNT
Don't forget ... keep eating that salad. :-D
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What are you intending to do to bike? I have a dyno shop out here and we do lots of Buell builds. 707 996-6103 Jim.
Got a chain on it yet? Do you have ECM-Spy and cable?
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Ransom T.....took a step back from the salad, but have been to the gym everyday i have been home. if i ever meet the guy who invented that torture device the tread mill i may just see how much STAMINA i have gained using it...LOL!
fireman, we are going to keep the bike in production / production pushrod so we are limited to what we can do. i have embraced the challenge and will keep going forward. so no chain and sprockets, and no visable performance mods.
however we can do a bit of non visable stuff. i am going to go as far as i can leaving the engine alone for the most part, just to see what i can get out of it.
for september we will drop the engine sprocket down and get a new primary chain. replace the clutch plates, spring and clutch bearing with a ceramic one while were in there, maybe ceramic bearings in the trans too. install jesel v-twin pushrods and lifters, behive valve springs and baisley roller rockers. play with different engine oils and do the math to get it geared correctly. have thought about 30deg domed pistons, ti valves and some cams, but that may have to wait til winter. we will see how user friendly the tunable ecm is.
this winter we start bike no.2 its a 1996 s1 chassis, but that's another story
RUNT
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ransom, my wife just packed the cooler for the AHDRA race this weekend......................salad, salad, and salad. and a few grilled chicken breasts.
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Hey Runt ... When can you take a call ? And yes, I don't do texting .....
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tomarrow after 6pm would be a good time. will be racing all day sat and sun.
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ransome...are you there now...how about now...hello....
RUNT
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hey folks. back in the garage this weekend, missed the last event and most likely the next, however i will be there in september. september is going to be a busy 1. 1st we got the AHDRA newmedia pa event, then the pa motorcycle extravaganza, then sept ECTA. we will be back with the buell to try to breach the 140mph mark, looking to knock on the 150mph door. then we lock ourselves in the garage all winter long [with the exception of hunting days] and see what we can wring out of this thing.
see you all then.
RUNT
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me and my wife barb at the AHDRA event, sporting the ECTA logo and patch.
RUNT
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another rules question.
can i put a shift lite on my production / production pushrod bike. the rules do state that all performance mods need to be out of site. is a shift light considered a performance mod?
RUNT
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Running at Bonneville? A shift light would probably get you tossed out of impound - but I'd clarify it with Van Butler before giving up on it. Maybe you could modify an existing light to shie when you hit a setpoint.
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If it didnt come on the bike, it isnt production. Therefore - it is non-production.
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safety mods are ok, performance mods must be out of site.
steering stabilizer, proper tires, belt guard, safety wire, kill switch...none of them came on the bike, but are considered safety mods and are mandatory. i would like to add the shift lite as a safety mod. however if i cant that's ok too.
i can still remember kieth pounding it into our heads...head up, eyes facing front at all times. and for good reason.
my bikes oem set up dictates that i have to look down to see the tach.
no big deal, still the most fun i have ever had in my life!
ill just have to get bike number 2 [modified] on the track for 2013
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Nice try
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your funny, i missed getting to meet you in april, talked to the young man in your trailer [nice guy] i will make sure to seek you out in sept. i think i will like you.
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Seek Joe out? He may well be the person doing your tech. Trying to get a by on safety equipment other than what you listed is improbable at best. A few years ago, someone, running P/P, was not allowed stainless steel brake lines as a safety mod - you only have to have one brake if you're running over 175. He should have just gone with the black coated ones. Like Slim sugggested, as long as the shift light sensor is out of sight, whether or not the high beam indicator light serves that purpose doesn't matter as long as it looks like the off the showroom floor model. It took me a while to understand that in production, the right decal on the tank is far more important than a cored out pipe (with no cosmetic evidence), larger cams, ceramic bearings.... Best of luck and thanks for representing ECTA at other events.
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Runt, Heed the words that the Phit speaks for it is in his knowledge that the endevor in P/PP you will become sucessful....er something like that. :-D
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Good advice. I like the high beam indicator ...
Joe
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i will talk to joe timney. seems we kinda hit it off.
i understand all that has been posted. no complaints here, except i live in nj.lol.
ive been on many forums and usualy look read and shake my head, however this land speed family is most understanding, helpful and fair. funny when you think of it, everyone here is here for the same reason, and it aint money or fame, just how fast can i go on my machine.
still going to campain for the safety light. what could it hurt......lol