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Title: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: Jon on January 12, 2012, 06:52:55 AM
Hi

Can anyone recommend a Fuel vent rollover valve that will work at 90 degrees.

I'm putting together a streamliner bike & the valve I've bought doesn't close off reliably until it is about 135 degrees, I don't want end up with the bike on it's side leaking fuel.



Thanks
Jon
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: Stainless1 on January 12, 2012, 10:13:31 AM
Jon, you should have a tube on your rollover, put an S in it on the way to the bottom of the tank, make the s the same width as the tank.  That way your rollover will not leak gas regardless of position.
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: SPARKY on January 12, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
Same thing with a vent tube that runs diagionaly from one corner to the opposite corner then past the bottom of the tank,  only 1 90 degree bend so that you do not create a   "P " trap -- make it fairly large, as large as your fuel line.
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: Jon on January 12, 2012, 01:41:58 PM
Thanks for your help guys, I appreciate it.

Jon
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: SPARKY on January 12, 2012, 02:40:27 PM
PS  I would put it on the rear corner for salt racing as your G loads will be much greater with the chute than it will with accelleration
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: oz on January 12, 2012, 03:12:00 PM
Hi jon I got a one way vent from Earls performance plumbing it wasnt to dear but works perfect at what seems any angle
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: Jon on January 12, 2012, 03:16:55 PM
Thanks Oz, does gassing out of fuel pressurize your tank mitch or does it bleed off pressure?

Thanks
Jon
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: oz on January 12, 2012, 03:29:38 PM
It has a little ball bearing in it and as the fuel gets used lets a little air in cant push anything through the other way fuel air nothing goes back through I have tried and its a pretty little anodised thing with a NPT or BSP thread so dead easy to fit.
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: maj on January 13, 2012, 04:37:46 PM
I fitted something like that to my manufactured fuel tank on my bike this year and was not real happy with the potential shake or bump spillage or the action of the ball so put a light spring behind the ball
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: jdincau on January 13, 2012, 05:52:31 PM
The simplest is a hose that comes out of the top of the tank, down one side, accross the bottom, up the other side, accross the top and is tie wrapped to the fitting coming out of the tank. This isn't elegant but it works, requires nothing inside the tank, has no ball or spring to stick and vents in both directions without restriction. It also will spark no discussion in tech.
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: SPARKY on January 13, 2012, 05:59:03 PM
Jim that can P trap, and block the venting --and has caused engs to lean and blow up... from one corner across diaogonally and down the corner,to below the bottom of the tank will work and will not P trap
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: jdincau on January 13, 2012, 07:47:46 PM
P trap? Not familiar with the term.
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 13, 2012, 08:13:13 PM
Maybe not the term, but the item.  They're the bit of plumbing that keeps nasty smells from escaping the drains in your toilet and sinks.  Shaped kinda like a sideways letter "P" 8-)
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: saltwheels262 on January 13, 2012, 08:22:26 PM
every sink and toilet has a p trap.
some have s traps.

they hold a "block" of water at the lowest part of the plumbing ,
right below that fixture.

they prevent gasses, air, stink or what not from passing through
the next straight section of pipe, upward.

a liquid lock as opposed to a vapor lock. (?)

a liquid lock will cause a vapor lock.
correct?

franey
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: saltwheels262 on January 13, 2012, 08:25:13 PM
it took 10 minutes to post that, but conirms slims post.
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: jdincau on January 13, 2012, 08:34:40 PM
Ah I see. In non rollover conditions how does the liquid get into the loop?
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: dw230 on January 13, 2012, 09:17:56 PM
Fuel pump?

DW
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: jdincau on January 13, 2012, 09:36:40 PM
Into the vent line?
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: SPARKY on January 13, 2012, 11:08:20 PM
G force or slosh from gear changes
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: dw230 on January 13, 2012, 11:38:11 PM
Sorry Jim,

As soon as I hit send I knew I was wrong. Then I could not find the thread to correct.

Mi Culpa(?)

DW
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: SPARKY on January 13, 2012, 11:53:18 PM
MERLOT   :roll:  :?
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: jdincau on January 13, 2012, 11:53:39 PM
G force or slosh from gear changes
15 gallons in a 20 gallon tank and a powerglide, but I can see if the tank is full and using a clutch.
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: dw230 on January 14, 2012, 12:05:14 AM
Sorry Sparky,

On a diet - Chardonny tonight. Joanie out of town, I will have to replace bottles tomorrow.

DW

Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: robfrey on January 14, 2012, 12:16:57 AM
I've used some one way check in fuel vent line valves that "crack" at 0.5 psi on applications with electric fuel pumps that have worked real well for us. They are available at mcmaster fairly cheap. Only problem is that do not vent both ways and we noticed a little tank pressure when we remove the cap for fill up. I don't know if this is a legal way of venting but our install was on high hp street rods so we didn't have to go thru tech.
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: Old Scrambler on January 15, 2012, 08:58:44 PM
I always wondered if John Crapper included a "P" trap in his original flush-fixture. 
Title: Re: Fuel vent rollover valve for streamliner bike advice please
Post by: Buickguy3 on January 15, 2012, 09:32:36 PM
    I suspect that came shortly thereafter for obvious reasons.
     Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: