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East Coast Timing Association => ECTA General Chat => Topic started by: garrell patterson on January 10, 2012, 12:02:50 PM
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I think there was around 150 entries in Oct. and turn around was probably three hours on Sunday morning. Will Ohio be better or worse with the 175 cap and if better, why.
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Where did you come up with the 175 as the cap on Ohio Entries ?
I sure hope the Cap is not that high !!!
Charles
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Charles you need to go to the ECTA website. Its all there for the reading!!!!
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I say we go and find out. Speculations are just that.
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Sabat, Mike is correct... the cap of 175 is stated in the registration section on the ECTA website.
Oh K
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I still have a problem comprehinding as a result of multible strokes but that makes me more cautious before I speak, still no predictions on turn around time. I realize that I don't have the time or money invested that most of you guys do but I am concerned because I have a game plan that requires maybe five or six runs.
Garrell
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I don't think anyone can come even close to a answer due to the many things that can happen during any event. I would think two runs each day would be a good number maybe three on second day.
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At 175 entries you should still get 2 runs a day. That is my best guess. Just because of the new venue and all that, I would only expect more delays then usual.
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Sabat, Mike is correct... the cap of 175 is stated in the registration section on the ECTA website.
Oh K
The speculation is how long the turnaround time will be.
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I agree with Joe Daly and Charles V that the average runs/hr at Maxton was 40. I expect the run logistics to be the same as the short turnout is the same 1.4 mi while the long turnout is 1000ft shorter if 9000ft compared with 1.9 mi (10,032). I would expect the drivers meeting to be much longer the first day but I would hope they will take that into account and start it at 0800 instead of 0830 so we can start at 0900.
Now if those assumptions are true then the only potential problems will be all the newbies being ready to run as they get to the front of the line. That is where those of us who have run for several yrs can truly help by seeing and advising newbies on any timing issues as soon as we notice them.
Then the "turnaround time" assuming the 175 entries fill, show up, and all are ready and in line (which will never happen in my experience) then I would assume the best time would be 4 hrs 22 min 30 sec...
40 Runs per hour, 175/40=4.375 hrs for a full cycle.
14.5 Hours Total Run time. Saturday 9:00 to 6:00 with 30 min lunch break = 8.5 hours Sunday 8:00 to 2:00 = 6 hours
14.5x40=580 Total Runs, so if everyone was always in line then 3.3 runs/ entry.
So Garrell your plan will require 2 meets. But so what? Have fun. Check out all the other peoples cool toys and fascinating solutions to speed problems. Bring a small camera.
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dr j has it right, but you won't see those numbers on the first meet. Second meet, sure. The first meet is going to have problems and they will get sorted out.f
In the mean time:
LISTEN at the drivers meeting.
Ask questions if necessary
Be READY to run at the line. If you are not ready allow the next guy to go.
TURN OFF as quickly as safely possible.
ABORT the run if you miss a shift or it is shooting ducks. You are just holding up the line if you continue.
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I should have payed attention when the math teacher told me some day kid your going to need this stuff!
We should be able to make at least two runs at the first few meets. Im just thinking considering this will be new for everyone on the first pass I would think we will be required to drop down one license step for speed.
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I will do my part, I was the first flagged off in Sept. after the rain delay and I think twelvth off on Sat. in Oct. I have trouble getting my helmut off and on therefore I keep it on as long as I am in line to avoid any delays. It appears to me that there should be a mandatory for everyone rookie orientation meeting in as it would be everyone's first pass down the Ohio, Mile. And wow do I have fun , between myself and my brother in law we took over 100 pictures in Oct. Everyone other competitors and volunteer staff were more than helpful and several of you would come to me in line and ask what I ran on my last pass and offer suggestions as to how I might pick up some speed. I am looking forward to the April meet and make mental plans every day as to how to improve on my performance and to make sure that I will conduct myself in such away that all others involved will approve.
Garrell
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Hey guys, a cap at 175 does not mean 175 entries....
Y'all need to chill out for a couple of months before you worry yourselves into stress induced malfugities.... you could end up with the papshalough or spanque.
remember this is fun :cheers:
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My expectations are that it's a mile course with a shorter shut down. Nothing will change from the starting line to the end of the track. That is where the time is spent. Not waiting to get cars to the starting line. Having spent hours on the radio in the tower 99% of the time were not waiting for a number were waiting for the vehicle to clear the course. I can guarantee you that the ecta is doing everything possible and trying to think of every scenario possible to make sure they are very well prepared for this race to go as smoothly if not more smoothly than in the past. Remember the fab four have been doing this for 15 years not 4. They know what it takes to do it right. There's four months till race day. Sit back relax and save the paranoia and conspiracy for the government. :cheers:
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I missed the 175 limit also but its right there for all to see. Looks like a 2 run day will be about it, 2 runs at El Mirage was about all that was possible with less entries because of the dust and the 200+ lane cars usually require a bit more time at the starting line and sometimes to clear the track.
Vowed I would never subject my equipment, bikes, trailer and tow vehichle to the salt again but with several tracks and more days and the present cost of entry it might be something to reconsider. Hopefully Wilmington will settle down after a couple meets and more runs might be possible, its certainly a lot closer for us than Maxton or the salt. Our small bikes will be 90% new frame and engine wise so we will have to try our best on prep to get them sorted as soon as possibe.
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Backing down 1 License catagory on the 1st pass will limit the number of flying runs you make. We were spoiled with large numbers of passes at Maxton. I remember how painfully slow a large field at Loring on Saturday was last year. All you can do is be ready when it is your turn and clear the course as quickly and safely as you can. Go over your junk really well as putting down oil will be a killer. It's a new day and it is what it is, so make the best of each pass and learn to be patient. I'm going to have to.
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Remember, it was said at Wilmington that the track was wide enough for two lanes and in the event of an oil down it would only take minutes to switch over. That would avoid a loss of a couple of hours or shorten a day like at Maxton in Oct.
The Cajun Kid sent a private message wondering why I don't have a picture of my truck posted, with the reason being I simply can not figure out how! As well as my recovery has gone there are lots of things that I am still learning. There are four pictures of the hotrods I have in my shop now in a file somewhere in this amazing piece of electronics I am using, but I have no idea how to retrieve or post them. I will get a family member to help me when they have time.
I make a point of learning one new thing each day
Garrell
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It's great there are two lanes and easy to move,but in the event of a oil down the clean up cannot be done while vehicles are running in the other lane. So everyone understands that there will be delays at times.
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Garrell (and everyone else, too):
In the meantime, while you try to get photos posted -- you're welcome to send 'em to me and I'll get them up here some way or another. Email (not PM) them to my regular ol' address. You're welcome.
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I am aiming at attending the July event. Hopefully any minor issues will be history by then.
May I suggest one way all competitors should consider to help with the event. If you don't have time to volunteer yourself, you might think about bringing someone with you that could volunteer (significant other, adult son or daughter, neighbor, friend, parole officer, etc). Extra people helping at the sign-in gate, extra people to spell volunteers while they grab a bite to eat or use the porta potty, additional assistant starters to check that drivers/riders are ready before called to the line, volunteers to be go-fors to help with whatever . . .
I suspect that the delays (or potential delays) in the staging lanes are just one spot where things could backup. Remember, at the April 2012 event EVERY class record starts at zero mph. So every first pass is a record. That means everybody will be going to impound to have their record registered. If you don't care about getting a record, or you don't need to have your licence adjusted, just pass by impound/registration and get back in line . .
Also, if the entry list approaches 175 that means that 175 cars/bikes must go through tech. So, get there early Friday to assure that you are done with tech on Friday and not waiting to be teched on Saturday when everyone else is racing. And speaking of Friday . . while you are there pitch in with track set-up. Help put out the cones, set up the awnings, or do anything that the Timney/Turk team need done.
As others have said, the best way to make the show run smoothly is, as a competitor, be sure your machine is 100% ready before going to the line. Be sure you are 100% ready as well, - helmet fastened, gloves on, etc. Then be sure to exit as soon as you safely can. Having worked some in shutdown at Maxton I can tell you that the 'safely exit' part is more important than the 'guickly' part. If you aren't slowed enough to make short shutdown it will take a lot longer to rescue you from a wreck than it takes for you to safely go long . . .
An if the staging lines are long take advantage of that and introduce yourself to those in line around you. Find out who they are, where they are from, what they are racing etc, etc, LSR events are about more than just running laps . . .
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Very well said and I try to practise every thing you suggest. It was dumb of me ro make the statement about the two lanes but I read it somewhere in the Ohio info at the web site maybe so some one else thought it would work. I would not want to be on the track doing the oil dry twist when someone came by fifty feet away at 160 mph.
Garrell
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Hey, I remember it was discussed that there would not be a cleanup in the event of an oil down, the timing lightes would be moved over to the other lane and racing resumed. Maybe I just jumped the gun about being so dumb, but I am still very forgetful.
Garrell
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Well put Art. Please, please go long if you think you might need to but remember GO is the active verb. My limited take on the two lane system is that no clean-up will be neccesary during racing sessions until both lanes are oiled, then the most easily refurbished track can be cleaned. If you want faster turn-around times, mobilize everybody you know -- crew, family, spectators to come out and shuffle. Nothing is going to change that the longest turn-around time is between leaving the gates and getting to the start line at the next meet.
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SSS, I am going to take you up on the offer to email pics to you and you post. They are in a folder and I can't find them, very frustrating and I didn't use to have these type problems, but this weekend when two daughters and their husbands are here to eat I will call in a few markers.
Thanks again, Garrell
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Send 'em along and I'll fiddle with them. The bigger the photo file - the better the resolution - - - but the longer it'll take for anyone to see them in full size.
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Forthcoming, thanks