Landracing Forum
East Coast Timing Association => ECTA Rules Questions => Topic started by: Joe Timney on January 08, 2012, 05:00:10 PM
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Here is a link for basic car rule requirements by speed. Click on the link: http://ecta-lsr.net/?page_id=809
Car Safety Requirements
These are just some of highlights of the safety requirements for cars; you will need to purchase a rulebook to ensure your total compliance.
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I will be buying the parachute soon. What constitutes a Land Speed Parachute?
John.
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I will be buying the parachute soon. What constitutes a Land Speed Parachute?
John.
John call Stroud Safety and Talk to Bill... or call Joe Timney
They can give you the tech mumbo jumbo,,,,
a few items that constitute LSR chutes
longer lines, a tad slower deployment time, softer more controlled "hit" to name a few...
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I am specifically trying to meet the defined rules for payment LSR since the land speed parachute term is specific.
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Call BOB Stroud.
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Call BOB Stroud.
Oh my .. I AGREE with the infamous Stan Back..
Yes call bob Stroud for sure...
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Great chart Joe! I would suggest that you slightly modify the titles to read
"To go between 151-175...
To go between 176-200.."
etc so it is clear that the '175'is a Max speed and not a Min speed.
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Helmet question . . . for cars up to 135 mph can the "Snell 2005 or 2010 full-face helmet with face shield" be an 'M' helmet or must it be an 'SA' helmet? Thanks . . .
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For you Art? I think an NFL mouthguard is also indicated.
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SA helmets have a fireproof lining, M does not. SA is reqiured.
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HI Joe
just noticed your link states between 150 and 175 we need arm restraints and full door net. But the rule book still states between 135 and 175 arm restraints or full door net. :?
Fred
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Under 175 mph arm restraints or full door net.
0ver 175 BOTH arm restraints and door net.
CV
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Fred,
Thank you for finding the error...it has been fixed.
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new question...
my 2012 rule book says "all cars over 200 mph" must have a head and neck restraint system
on the ECTA web page is says 175 and over.
can someone please clarify?
Thanks
Fred
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Fred,
For 2013, this will be the rule for head & neck restraint and lateral movement:
3.A.3 Driver’s Helmet Support:
It is important to control side motion of the hips, shoulders and head in the event of a crash.
Forward movement: All cars over 175 mph shall have an engineered, tested and approved SFI spec 38.1 type head and neck restraint system.
Lateral movement: The seat or roll cage structure shall provide restriction to lateral head and body movement of less than 2 in. per side inclusive of structure deflection for vehicles over 175 MPH. See Section 3.B.1.
Rear movement: See Section 3.C.
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135 to 150MPH:
Five point safety harness SFI 16.1 or 16.5 (no more than 5 years old) Belts must be installed per manufactures instructions. If vehicle has a high back seat, the belts MUST go thru the back.
Unblown car:
Suit – SFI 3.2A-1
Boots SFI – 3.3/5
Gloves SFI 3.3/5
Head Sock SFI 3.3 (Required for open cars with no hood or side opening only)
Blown car:
Suit – SFI 3.2A-1
Boots SFI – 3.3/5
Gloves SFI 3.3/5
Head Sock SFI 3.3
Four Point Roll Bar (Open cockpit cars must have a six point roll bar)
Speed rated tires
Hood Hold Downs
Kill Switch
Electric fuel pumps require an inertial kill switch to disable pump
Arm restraints OR door net
The way this reads you need a five point safety harness blown/unblown.
Four items only for unblown.
Ten items for blown.
For unblown you don't need:
Four Point Roll Bar (Open cockpit cars must have a six point roll bar)
Speed rated tires
Hood Hold Downs
Kill Switch
Electric fuel pumps require an inertial kill switch to disable pump
Arm restraints OR door net
Isn't this what was meant?
135 to 150MPH:
Five point safety harness SFI 16.1 or 16.5 (no more than 5 years old) Belts must be installed per manufactures instructions. If vehicle has a high back seat, the belts MUST go thru the back.
Four Point Roll Bar (Open cockpit cars must have a six point roll bar)
Speed rated tires
Hood Hold Downs
Kill Switch
Electric fuel pumps require an inertial kill switch to disable pump
Arm restraints OR door net
Unblown car:
Suit – SFI 3.2A-1
Boots SFI – 3.3/5
Gloves SFI 3.3/5
Head Sock SFI 3.3 (Required for open cars with no hood or side opening only)
Blown car:
Suit – SFI 3.2A-1
Boots SFI – 3.3/5
Gloves SFI 3.3/5
Head Sock SFI 3.3
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Joe,
Tough getting this stuff across isn't it?
DW
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YES!!!
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I feel your pain Joe. By trade I am an industrail safety, health and envronmental manager. I gotta tell them "if it has HOT written on it it probibly is" atleast once after they get burnt..... :? Safety is worth the cost.
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From what I can tell, "H" tires are rated for 130 mph. If I'm planning to run below 135, are the H tires sufficient, or should I just play it safe and get a V-rated (149 mph) set?
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From what I can tell, "H" tires are rated for 130 mph. If I'm planning to run below 135, are the H tires sufficient, or should I just play it safe and get a V-rated (149 mph) set?
Gary are you runing a car or bike?
Check your ECTA rule book (2012) at the top of page 16 for car tires and page 76 near the bottom for bike tires. Cars with H tires are good up to 175mph. The cut off for bikes with H tires is 130mph.
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Gary, the safety requirements are minimums - go with the "V"s. I don't know what you are running, but if the bike is capable of a speed greater than you plan to go, the bike will have to tech to those higher standards; also if you are in a class with a record higher than your bike can go (I'm feelin' ya here), you have to meet those safety requirements too. Beware of the tire manufacture dates if you order yours on-line.
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Gary, the safety requirements are minimums - go with the "V"s. I don't know what you are running, but if the bike is capable of a speed greater than you plan to go, the bike will have to tech to those higher standards; also if you are in a class with a record higher than your bike can go (I'm feelin' ya here), you have to meet those safety requirements too. Beware of the tire manufacture dates if you order yours on-line.
Hey, Littleliner and Relaxedphit--thanks for the info (I recently rejoined ECTA after a couple of years' absence, and the rulebook hasn't arrived yet). I'm driving a car, not a bike, and I won't be cracking 135, but I saw that the H rating (for the general public anyway) seemed to go up to 130, and I figured I'd just be safe and go with the V's. Now I definitely will...thanks!
Gary
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It doesn't matter what speed you intend to run, the safety requirements are set by the Record Speed in your class. So if the record speed in your class is over 200MPH, then you have to tech to that speed.
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LSR Mike,
That statement is true for SCTA but ECTA inspects to safety requirements for speed not class record speeds.
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I stand corrected, that's why we have the 135, 175 etc... stickers. what can I say, I'm still adjusting to the ECTA after 7 years
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It doesn't matter what speed you intend to run, the safety requirements are set by the Record Speed in your class. So if the record speed in your class is over 200MPH, then you have to tech to that speed.
Hey, Mike: Yeah, as Joe mentioned, this'll just be for ECTA and LTA for now--the salt's definitely a goal, but not this year. But even so, I just discovered that the Bonneville record for F/PRO is 167.158, and that "W"-rated tires are good to 168--so a set of those would be perfect! :-D
Gary
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It doesn't matter what speed you intend to run, the safety requirements are set by the Record Speed in your class. So if the record speed in your class is over 200MPH, then you have to tech to that speed.
Hey, Mike: Yeah, as Joe mentioned, this'll just be for ECTA and LTA for now--the salt's definitely a goal, but not this year. But even so, I just discovered that the Bonneville record for F/PRO is 167.158, and that "W"-rated tires are good to 168--so a set of those would be perfect! :-D
Gary
I ran against that record a few years ago in a Taurus SHO .. and came this close "" , log showed 169 right before the crank ate a rod bearing ....
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It doesn't matter what speed you intend to run, the safety requirements are set by the Record Speed in your class. So if the record speed in your class is over 200MPH, then you have to tech to that speed.
Hey, Mike: Yeah, as Joe mentioned, this'll just be for ECTA and LTA for now--the salt's definitely a goal, but not this year. But even so, I just discovered that the Bonneville record for F/PRO is 167.158, and that "W"-rated tires are good to 168--so a set of those would be perfect! :-D
Gary
I ran against that record a few years ago in a Taurus SHO .. and came this close "" , log showed 169 right before the crank ate a rod bearing ....
That's funny--it didn't even really occur to me that F-class goes all the way up to 183 ci, which would be the 3.0 motor in the Taurus. Unfortunately, I'll only be running a little Ecotec 2.4, which will crap out long before 169... :-)
Gary