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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: butch nassau on November 18, 2011, 07:33:41 PM
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It is not clear to me...few things are, so I'll ask the question:
Can the cockpit(roll bars.seat,etc) be placed behind, or partially, behind the original firewall.
As I am contemplating a four cylinder engine there will be adequate room to move the cockpit back if this is permissible.
I cannot tell from the few pictures I can lay my hands on.
Advice?
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It's always best to consult the SCTA rule book:
5.B.1.a "The driver's seat shall be entirely in front of the engine."
(And the entire engine has to be forward of the centerline of the rear axle) So, if you can squeeze in somewhere, feel free . . .
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That darn rulebook thing.
For instance...the harmonic balancer is in front of the engine but so is the front axle.
The rulebook says, "'streamlining ahead of and including the cowl...is permitted."
So I Guess that if the cockpit , or part of it, goes into the cowl area your okay."
I'm getting kinda punchy trying to figure this stuff out.
I have a1.8 litre Honda DOHC engine adapted to a VW type I trans axle so it is only about 24 " from the rear axle to the front of the engine. So the whole cockpit may fit behind the cowl. I'll start using that darned tape measure thing tomorrow and figure it out.
Are the fiberglass bodies from Speedway Motors and other aftermarket suppliers acceptable?
Any and all advice is gratefully accepted. I just don't want to get seventy five pounds of tubing , labor and fiberglass into this and....
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I cant speak about others but from talking to Russ a while back he mentioned the Speedway body was not legal. Maybe they have changed the molds around and now its legal, but I would check with Russ for an official answer, the SCTA allows + or - 1" on the dimensions. I have the spreadsheet that Russ sent me with all the dimensions. Send me a PM with your email if you want it. We are using a Dick Williams Polyform body and since you are building a REMR, welcome to the dark side. Tony
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I was just about to suggest looking at Tony's build diary. I'm not trying to steer you away from RMR, they look a little like lakesters except they must be wider at the back... Save yourself a lot of trouble, put your 75 lbs of tube toward making a lakester...a lot less rules and hassles.
Try not to paint yourself into a corner with your engine. Leave room to grow.
Stan has never protested a lakester :roll:
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Thanks, where can I find the build diary?
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http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5612.0.html
Should get you there.
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I was just about to suggest looking at Tony's build diary. I'm not trying to steer you away from RMR, they look a little like lakesters except they must be wider at the back... Save yourself a lot of trouble, put your 75 lbs of tube toward making a lakester...a lot less rules and hassles.
Try not to paint yourself into a corner with your engine. Leave room to grow.
Stan has never protested a lakester :roll:
I kinda like the idea of a ,maybe, 135 MPH record in "G" rmr. But, as far as a Lakester at 212 MPH?!...I don't want to go to the expense of having my heart stents bored .030 over to stand the excitement.
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What record database are you looking at? I don't see a G/RMR record at Bonneville. This means they are all zero.
DW
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Okay,
If the rulebook says that "G" class engines are allowed and there is no record in the record book...doesn't that mean the record is open?
Or , maybe this is how it starts when your mind is trying to tell you it's time to take up lawn bowling?
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Dan-I think Butch is saying that he thinks he could build a REMR with his combination that might go 135 and set a record.....having seen that there is no record listed in the Rulebook, eg open.....Butch--don`t take up lawn bowling, I did it once, and nearly passed out from the sheer heart pounding fabulousness of it... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :cheers: :cheers:
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Butch.... build a lakester... There is a lot more satisfaction in taking some SOBs record than setting the first number on an open one.... that and 212 is way more fun than 135.
Go for it :cheers:
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Butch and Stainless,
I knew that, I was trying to get a little more exact for the peanut gallery.
If an engine class is allowed with no record listed it is in fact open and two consecutive passes will equal a record. Take a look at the 15 to 46MPH records set at this year's Speed Week. Butch will not have to go as fast as 135 to satisfy his needs.
Butch,
Joanie and I will be in Nassau in mid-Dec., is that your location?
DW
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Butch,
Have you tried this guy?
Vintage Roadster Committee
Russ Eyres
858-453-3044, 858-228-6256 cell
reyres@san.rr.com
DW
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Okay,
Thanks everybody.
I'm about to go to my potential sponsor.
I have yet another question...of course.
The question is:
Withe driver seated very far forward in the standard roadster body, can the drivers legs protrude through the firewall...'which cant be altered'...into a nose section toward the front of the car?
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look in the build section of this web site
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Thanks Glen.
I know where Southwest Utah is...but I don't know where the "build section" of this site is.
Help.
And not only that...we are trying to downsize our house and we had a "showing".
Well, I stashed my SCTA rulebook at 10:am and haven't been able to find it as of Midnight.
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http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/board,12.0.html
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...The question is:
Withe driver seated very far forward in the standard roadster body, can the drivers legs protrude through the firewall...'which cant be altered'...into a nose section toward the front of the car?
Butch, I guess I don't see that sentence in the RMR section of roadsters... all those rules to comply with is why special construction is more fun.
Think 212 :-D
:cheers:
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Withe driver seated very far forward in the standard roadster body, can the drivers legs protrude through the firewall...'which cant be altered'...into a nose section toward the front of the car?
Where are you reading the the above? In the 2011 rule book page 53 "Firewalls may be altered, moved or replaced entirely". Tony
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That's the kind of help I need.
Still can't find my rulebook and set to see potential sponsor tomorrow.
Hope he does,t ask to may technical questions.
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Help me here.
In a RMR isn't the firewall behind the driver? A sort of barrier between the driver and the engine. I would like to see this Circ de Soli(sp) driver, I hope for a girl.
DW
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Well yeah, in most REMR (or whatever the hell they are) the 9 inch ford rear end and the 23 inch long auto transmission and driveshaft plus the length of the v8 engine consume all the cockpit...thus pushing the driver ahead of the firewall. I don't care for that look.
What I have is a Honda 4cyl DOHC engine mated to a VW trans-axle. The whole power train is about 30 inches from the axle to the harmonic balancer. With this combination I believe there is space ahead of the engine for a driver in the regular cockpit area.
Then the options are open to put a lakerster style nose from the fire wall out. So this may lead to having to open the firewall,inside the lakester nose, to acommodate the driver's legs.
Is that OK?
I'm up in the attic now looking through the Christmas boxes to see if my rulebook got packed away for the holidays.
Is that kosher....to open the firewall inside to let the drivers legs protrude through the firewall into the tapered lakeste stye nose?
Butch
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Butch. what everyone is trying to tell you is the original firewall on a RMR is not and does not have to be the firewall. The firewall will be behind you, the original cowl must be there although it can be flattened if I read all those rules correctly.
If you are thinking of a lakester nose think of a lakester tail... :-D
Your sponsor might want you to set your sights on 212 :-o
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I'm gonna stay with this just to prove I....Don't know what.
Okay guys the short engine and trans are behind the drivers separated by an aluminum firewall.
This pushes him far froward ,but his is torso head and shoulders are in the original fiberglass reproduction body, he is looking over the cowl.
Now, can the original (fiberglass ) firewall be opened to allow his legs to protrude through into the lakester type nose?
Still can't find the rulebook. Am thinking of offering a reward.
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This thread may give you some ideas.
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,5612.165.html
Contact the committee chair as well.
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I think I understand the issue. Most of us TAKING out our Christmas boxes so that 'she who controls all' can make our homes pretty and bright.
Joanie and I are in Nassau over the holidays. Is that your location or name? I would be happy to see you over a rum cocktail and discuss.
DW
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The original firewall can be completely eliminated!!!!!
Pete
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This is the firewall in the Hoffman / Markley RMR when they ran it. The best advise I can give you is before you start the build, go to the salt and see some of the RMR's. Tony
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj236/maguromic/rearenginebody.jpg)
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Got it!
I found my rulebook....it was in the backseat of my truck.
Gotta' get out of the house more.
Knew I was missing the point when I began to get replys with four or five exclamation points.
Have read everything and fully understand 65% of it so that should be adequate.
Thanks