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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: butch nassau on November 17, 2011, 12:22:51 PM
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Are later model 4 cylinder engines such as the VW, Alfa Romeo and Honda DOHC legal if they are 125 ci in the vmot class?
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5.B indicates nope. Wayno
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Only pre 1948 design engine blocks. Pretty clear.
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From 2011 rulebook:
"The Vintage Oval Track class is for old-style race cars with pre-1948 design engine blocks, i.e., no modern overhead V-8s or blowers are allowed. This class is for vintage engine, old-style open wheel, rear drive, dirt track and Indy, one or two seat cars, with a tapered tail and cowl. "
Thats why it is vintage class. You really need a rulebook.
DW
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The ugly part of this is that I DO have rulebook.
I have a midget body and frame. (Speedway)
The VW engine and the Alfa Romero engine were both designed before 1948.
They are under 125 cubic inches
And,they are not OHV V8s.
But don't worry I have an equally stupid question coming soon on the placement of the cockpit on GRMRs.
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Butch, I'm not trying to be a smart aleck but, your original question asked about "LATE MODEL" VW, ALFA and Honda motors. Wayno
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Alfa Romeo, not Alfa Romero. The latter is an Italian actor, I think.
And for you, Wayno -- maybe Butch means that the engines were designed pre-1948 (it is, after all, what he said) but these engines are late model - just with that old design.
Over to you two now.
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I have a midget body and frame. (Speedway)
if your body and frame look anything thing like this then it is very NOT vintage:
(http://spikechassis.com/catalog/images/Spike%20Chassis%20Midget%20Basic%20Kit%205.jpg)
no late model watercooled vw was designed before '48 so you must be thinking aircooled. well, the only aircooled vw engine that was designed prior to '48 was the 1100. the vw engine most of us think of when you say aircooled vw are based on the 1600 design which did not emerge until '72 so there's no way you'd use a "modern" aircooled engine in your vintage midget.
and also, just because an engine manufacturer had an engine that existed prior to '48 doesn't mean you can use the later model descendant in a vintage engine class. sure, alfa had four cylinder engines prior to '48 but that doesn't mean that you can run a later model dohc four cylinder alfa and try to get us to buy that that later model engine is based on the vintage design. i don't think so bud.
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Well, this kinda' started because all the "shallls" and "shants" seem to apply to the Sprint car size racer.
The engines are only described in cubic inches under the midget portion.
But thanks to everyone...I have this very comopact power package of a Honda 1.8 DOHC and a type I bug trans axle which leads me to the question above
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For the record, when I typed ALFA in capitals I wasn't yelling. Em R initials. Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili. :wink: Wayno
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Stretch it... cage it to specs and run a lakester, or just build a lakester frame for you power package. IIRC normally aspirated you only need to go 211.5, record and 2 club...
easy peasy :cheers:
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Stretch it... cage it to specs and run a lakester, or just build a lakester frame for you power package. IIRC normally aspirated you only need to go 211.5, record and 2 club...
easy peasy :cheers:
Firstly, I have to say Butch is pretty diplomatic.
Stainless is right and at the same time he's a stirrer :-D
The special construction classes are much less of a "sandpit" than the vintage classes .....No-one cares what you build if it fits the basic description of a lakester and passes tech. Get a grain hopper put some wheels on it, a drivetrain and no-one will say anything, they might laugh but you can still race it.
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I thought the GRMR question was a good one. All the other Vintage classes specificy US made engines only. I bet the same thing is true about VOT.I would absolutly contact the proper person to answer your question at vintageracecar@aol.com
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Butch: maybe I can help on the cockpit location..............in front of the engine...I got shot down on wanting to sit beside my GMC when I was contemplating a RMR.........Good luck
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I thought the GRMR question was a good one. All the other Vintage classes specificy US made engines only. I bet the same thing is true about VOT.I would absolutly contact the proper person to answer your question at vintageracecar@aol.com
Thanks Slim, I read where the classes are restricted to American bodies but I cant seem to find anything that says the engine must be American.
I'm checking with the source you suggested.
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In one of your two cars, the RMR the engine does not have to American. In your other car, MVOT, the engine has to be home grown. What is your next car?
DW
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In one of your two cars, the RMR the engine does not have to American. In your other car, MVOT, the engine has to be home grown. What is your next car?
DW
Well, that is exactly what I am trying to determine. You see I have this 1.8 Liter DOHC Honda that's adapted to a type I bug 4 speed trans axle. It makes a really neat, compact drive train.
So, after going to Bonneville last year I got the bug...the Bonneville bug not the VW bug....I had that already.
Looking to utilize this drive train, I looked at a MVOT thinking it was a "builders class"...like you could build a midget from the ground up.
Not so it seems that class it is really a true "antique" class.
"Okay", says I, I'll put this little power package in the back of a Speedway Motors fiberglass body and run in G/GMGR.
It all seemed so simple just yesterday.
That's how I got to this point.
Still open to ideas.
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My theory is that real race cars are always easier to work on than modified production cars, no matter how modified. Usually there aren't as many measuring devices used in tech either which means there are fewer areas to come in conflict with either officials or the rule book. Why not build either a lakester or a liner? Your imagination can then run free.
Pete
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Bingo! I concur.
DW
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Wait a minute... I've heard that before... gotta agree with build a lakester.... build it and it will go... with any luck and a lot of work about 212.
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your honda vw thing would be fine in a rmr but make sure your rear tread width meets the minimum spec.