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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: krek on October 06, 2011, 12:18:12 PM
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I'm reading my rulebook for /GC and assuming one wanted to build a stationwagon or minivan, would the roof mounted luggage rack be removable under the "minor chrome trim and emblems" allowance?
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I would say yes. :-D
~JH
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Cant you use it to your advantage and build a aero luggage carrier like one of those Thule units? Make it big enough to cover your whole roof and design the end to act like a spoiler. It wouldn't have to be that tall. :evil: Tony
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I'm sure this isn't news to you guys, but the rules seem a little... ambiguous?
The "contour" definition seems to cover the side panel trim but I didn't find a specific mention of the luggage rack.
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A minivan? Seriously?
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A minivan? Seriously?
I know, if you've seen one minivan on the salt you've probably seen a hundred... :-D
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I think that "chrome accessories" can be removed.
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Did all of them have luggage racks. If not take yours off and who cares?
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I need a /GC mentor to answer these questions and not crap up the forum with them.
I'm not trying to reinvent land speed racing (although my vehicle of choice may be a bit unconventional) but I really don't want to show up to tech and end up disappointed that I removed or altered something that I shouldn't have.
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I need a /GC mentor to answer these questions and not crap up the forum with them.
I'm not trying to reinvent land speed racing (although my vehicle of choice may be a bit unconventional) but I really don't want to show up to tech and end up disappointed that I removed or altered something that I shouldn't have.
In your rule book there should be an administrator for the GC class. I would send an email with your questions to get a straight answer if you feel the need too. Or look around and find someone else in that class and ask them.
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I need a /GC mentor to answer these questions and not crap up the forum with them.
I'm not trying to reinvent land speed racing (although my vehicle of choice may be a bit unconventional) but I really don't want to show up to tech and end up disappointed that I removed or altered something that I shouldn't have.
You didn't answer my question. Is the rack in question standard. Did every Wagon/van come with one?
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You didn't answer my question. Is the rack in question standard. Did every Wagon/van come with one?
To the best of my research, the rack was standard and came on every vehicle.
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In that case I think your stuck with it.
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From what ive heard and understand tech inspectors are stricked on GC class. So if all mini vans came with it, keep it on like RichFox said.
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To the best of my research, the rack was standard and came on every vehicle.
Yes best info is to contact the appropriate official from the listing in the rule book. Any thing you get here will be strictly unofficial (best guess) information.
You might also contact a dealer and find out if at the time that vehicle was sold was that a deletable option on delivery.
On my car the rear spoiler could be deleted when you ordered the car. On later models the manufacturer did not allow spoiler delete so it could change from year to year.
Larry
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I would start out by finding an original brochere for photos and do a search on the base model of the vehicle in question. I would also find out if it could have been ordered with a "delete".
The Post Office used many minivans with no roof racks.......................Good Luck
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Krek,
Whats the make, model and year of your project?
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1990 Ford Taurus station wagon, trim package L (base).
Thanks for the help, fellows!
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I have a friend that works for ford, I'll give him a call and ask if he can get some info for you. I have to stop by that dealer Saturday and I'll ask too.
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Krek,
Just got a call back from my buddy at ford and he was able to find out a few things. All first generation station wagons came with luggage racks as standard. He also found out some sedan models where offered with luggage racks, but as for the station wagons they came standard.
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Here is a picture I found on the net of a 1990 taurus station wagon. Is this the model and the rack in question?
(http://images.usedcheapcars.org/used-ford/1990-ford-taurus-station-wagon-ac-ford-3-0l-6-cylinder-ffs-4-speed-automatic/90113331990811-480-ucc.jpg)
I don't think that the rack could be considered "minor chrome trim or emblems". The Ford blue oval on the rear door? yes, the taurus logo on the rear door? yes, the luggage rack? not even close. :-P
If there was any version that didn't have it from the factory then you are OK but the burden of proof will be yours to meet.
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If that is the way they all came then you have to use it. It is your responsibility to prove the accessory one way or the other. That thing is pretty aero.
DW
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Actually, this thing is pretty aero... afterall it is an Aerostar. :-D
(http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Ford-Aerostar.jpg)
Oooh, look. No roof racks.
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Here is a picture I found on the net of a 1990 taurus station wagon. Is this the model and the rack in question?
(http://images.usedcheapcars.org/used-ford/1990-ford-taurus-station-wagon-ac-ford-3-0l-6-cylinder-ffs-4-speed-automatic/90113331990811-480-ucc.jpg)
I don't think that the rack could be considered "minor chrome trim or emblems". The Ford blue oval on the rear door? yes, the taurus logo on the rear door? yes, the luggage rack? not even close. :-P
If there was any version that didn't have it from the factory then you are OK but the burden of proof will be yours to meet.
But the crossbars unbolt, and the siderails are already roofrails? :wink:
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If the crossbars are adjustable, they would surely have to potential to fly off at high speed and should be removed. :mrgreen:
Mike
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Once again I'll bring up the "delete" option. Do your homework. I don't care if something is considered "standard" on a vehicle; it still might be ordered with a a delete option. Many citys would do things like this. Contact a Ford dealership that you are familiar with and work with them. If it was possible' get it in writing and start from there. If it's proven Dan has always backed guys with legit paperwork otherwise you need to look for another vehicle................Good Luck
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But the crossbars unbolt, and the siderails are already roofrails? :wink:
The fenders unbolt also. :mrgreen:
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Jimmy Six,
He's still looking into that delete option, he didn't have enough time to get all the details. Plus I'll be at that same dealership Saturday and I'll ask in person as well.
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I have my documentation.
The luggage rack delete was a $105 (credit) option on this car.
Excellent suggestion Jimmie Six and thank you Jorge for all the help!
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Good Luck on your build and keep us posted :cheers:
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Sexiest land speed racer ever...
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6180/6209926330_ac7abee72d_z.jpg)
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Throw some paint, wheels and an engine and It'll look cool :-D. What are your plans for it?
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Talk to a dealer that has old order books for that model. If the roof rack is a extra cost item you should be able to take it off. Have a copy made of the page in their book and put it in your build book.
Jim
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What are your plans for it?
Sleeper paint job, huge turbo and a run at 200 mph in F/BGC. You know, the great American dream. :)
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203.720 m.p.h to reach, when you're ready to begin your project start a build diary, you'll get some good help all around. Have fun!
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Sexiest land speed racer ever...
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6180/6209926330_ac7abee72d_z.jpg)
Sleeper paint job, huge turbo and a run at 200 mph in F/BGC. You know, the great American dream. :)
Wood paneling, then get some kids to sit in the back pulling faces out the side windows, take photos..blow them up to life size and put them in the windows....perfect,
just begging for a name...
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Oh holy heck, that's funny stuff right there...
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4092/5141697702_2eb85c1eca_z.jpg)
Plan B, Family Truckster paint job, huge turbo, et al...
I know you guys are going to roll with laughter at what you consider my naivety, but I plan to do this on a budget. My race team and I currently road race in a series for $500 street cars (www.chumpcar.com) and value old fashioned ingenuity and hot rodding over cubic dollars. We're familiar with the Taurus platform and driveline, have adequate spares.
But most importantly, we're used to showing up with a four door beater at hallowed racing venues. :)
This is us at Road America this past April:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2086/5739667287_828d9dc159_z.jpg)
Thus, the Bucket List Bargain Beater is born.
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Your $500 budget will be greatly stretched.
DW
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Your $500 budget will be greatly stretched.
DW
LOL!
The original $390 we paid for the Taurus that became our ChumpCar was a tiny drop in the ocean of what the car has become. But that said, it is grassroots, budget racing and we can do a full 24 hour endurance race for $3,000 plus towing and lodging expenses. It's a heck of a lot of fun, real racing on real tracks, occasionally even against real drivers that you've heard of.
The F/BGC record is 203 mph, but for some reason the "unblown class" record is only 107 mph. I think we may take a run in F/GC in 2012, get our feet wet and add the turbo for a step up in 2013.
I have a budget in mind, so feel free to flame away.
Do you guys think it is remotely possible to put a car built from scratch on the salt (for F/CG) for less than $10,000?
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This is going to be fun to watch.
Just curious; what are you going to do to make it into a GC? "Quick-change rear end"?? :mrgreen:
Mike
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Can one put a quick change rear end in a FWD vehicle? :-D
Engine swap will put us into /GC legality.
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Can one put a quick change rear end in a FWD vehicle? :-D
Rule doesn't require it to be driven, just installed.
What engine you swapping in?
Mike
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The 3.0 Duratec/ATX in the wagon now is a complete dog.
However, the 3.0 DOHC/MTX from the 1990 Taurus SHO is a completely different animal.
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Is that the Yamaha engine that had all the recalls? Neighbor's wife had a SHO, rarely saw it at home. I could however find it in the shop at Galpin Ford.
DW
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That's the one.
The engine actually isn't bad... it's the transaxle that is brittle and fragile.
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Can one put a quick change rear end in a FWD vehicle? :-D
Rule doesn't require it to be driven, just installed.
Mike
Creative reading of the rule book! Reminds me of the old SCCA Pro Rally rule about no evidence of body damage or primer. Didn't say the car had to be painted.
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I like the way you think ... that will be interesting at tech ... definately meets the letter of the rule.
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ah ha good to see this has some serious implications. should be very fun. if you're budget minded then $10k should be very doable. could maybe do it for 3/4's of that.
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Beware of the ominous "Spirit Of The Rule".
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Beware of the ominous "Spirit Of The Rule".
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Not always a "friendly ghost"? :roll:
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Beware of the ominous "Spirit Of The Rule".
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Ah, the great equalizer. :mrgreen: Tony
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As I remember you may be speaking from personal experience. As I remember also you were a fine example of graceful recovery from that ruling. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Pete
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You know you are doing something right when a rule is made up over you :-P
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Ah yes the old" that's not what I said but that's what I meant". sounds like my ex.