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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: maguromic on August 18, 2011, 06:09:16 PM
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I noticed a lot of coupes were having problems in tech with their seat extensions for the head. I looked through the rulebook and can’t seem to find it, but thought it was 3’ past the helmet. Does anyone know what is the exact rule on this? Tony
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Tony, no 3" rule for the head. The 3" is for the front hoop of the cage- 3.b.1
" At a minimum extend to the forward most portion of the helmet"
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Buddy, Thanks for the clarification. What page in the rule book is this covered? Tony
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Lots of folks were tweaking padding and the extentions. I was in 3 pits that had to address this. And who decided to call that new cage "padding" when it is as hard as the cage its self :-o
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Page 24 3.A.3 for the helmut, and 3.b.1, page 26 for the 3" helmet clearance of the front hoop.
Glad to help, Tony!
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Buddy, The rule seems vague the way its written and from what I noticed there was no consistency in tech. The car I was with had to do re-do it, even though it passed last year and has made it through Elmo tech with no issues many times. Just want to make sure when we design the seat for my neighbors car that its done correctly.
Tman, I am glad I am not the only one that noticed a lot of guys working on this. Tony
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Buddy, The rule seems vague the way its written and from what I noticed there was no consistency in tech. The car I was with had to do re-do it, even though it passed last year and has made it through Elmo tech with no issues many times. Just want to make sure when we design the seat for my neighbors car that its done correctly.
Tman, I am glad I am not the only one that noticed a lot of guys working on this. Tony
Tony, is this still for the Firebird?
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Yeah its for the Firebird. I promised him I would do some work on it and will be at Sears Point tomorrow working on the seat. It should keep him quit for a month or so. :-D Tony
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I can tell you what I was told, when I made an unofficial enquiry- as long as the head bars come past the front of the helmet, and there's only a couple of inches clearance on each side, you'll be fine.
We found exiting the car was easier, when we took full advantage of the 2 inches, and ran the bars only 1/2' past the helmet.
I can't wait to see all the stuff you do to the firebird!
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Yeah its for the Firebird. I promised him I would do some work on it and will be at Sears Point tomorrow working on the seat. It should keep him quit for a month or so. :-D Tony
I will get a car number for you. I sat in a 74ish GM Nova type car. It had the best head restraint made out of flat plate and the left side was lever actuated. Grab the lever, lean left and roll out with the plate opening for you. Very sano.
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I noticed a lot of coupes were having problems in tech with their seat extensions for the head. I looked through the rulebook and can’t seem to find it, but thought it was 3’ past the helmet. Does anyone know what is the exact rule on this? Tony
I know of one person who could not get in his coupe and alternate driver had to drive, and heard of one person just
packing up and going home. Very hard for me to get in car but easier to get out, helmet scrapes on net realease
getting in but not out. Helmet extension and DJ safety hans device which you have to attach to helmet before getting in
car [and which there is no quick release for getting out] makes it tough. Why is there no quick release?
Anyone know of anyone else not being able to drive?
JL222
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And I saw a couple of production cars that clearly didn't meet the new rule as written.
I understand the reason for the rule - belt stretch letting the helmet get caught between the cage/side support and the net - but there has to be a more realistic way to safely accomplish this without compromising egress.
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Yeah its for the Firebird. I promised him I would do some work on it and will be at Sears Point tomorrow working on the seat. It should keep him quit for a month or so. :-D Tony
Tony...If I didn't already have the Buttler $400 special made to order pads which I had to extend from last year, I
would have looked into the side pads Nascar uses.
Also I saw some nice pads [even better] sides and top, made by Autopower from San Diego and installed on a roadster built by Mike Cook.
JL222
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JL222, I am going to make the seat and incorporate the sides for the shoulders, legs and helmet. I just don't like the NASCAR (fine for NASCAR) seats, I am looking at more of a seat with ergonomics of the driver in mind. I think it will also be better for using a HANS type restraint also. But I was really amazed at all the problems that many coupes had, including the one I was helping on. :-o Tony
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Not that I would ever accuse anyone of revenge, after all the hell I raised about this subject on our site, I pulled up to tech, where Steve Davies opened a new inspection line just for my car out in the sun, between the two covered canopies.
After letting us bake for a half hour, he finally sent one inspector over and all went well, but I almost passed out by the time I did my bailout (SFI 20 suit).
Strange as it seems, their were no more than one car in each covered lnspection lane while I baked.
Some day I will have to buy Steve a beer while we have a really, really serious talk..............
Bob
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Ohmygawd Tony, my sunburned eyes just recovered enough to see your new avitar...................... the eigth wonder of the world!!!!! :-o :-o
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JL222, I am going to make the seat and incorporate the sides for the shoulders, legs and helmet. I just don't like the NASCAR (fine for NASCAR) seats, I am looking at more of a seat with ergonomics of the driver in mind. I think it will also be better for using a HANS type restraint also. But I was really amazed at all the problems that many coupes had, including the one I was helping on. :-o Tony
Tony...I was referring to the Nascar helmet side restraints not the seat. they seem to be well padded and extend forward
enough and I believe can be purchased separately from seat.
After shelling 0ut $400 + for correct SFI 45.2 spec padding [pg 27] and observing just a flat plate on one lakester
it really #$%$#%$ me off. Especialy after having to move and modify it from last year.
JL222
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JL222, I was also referring to them as well, but we are going to build them into the seat. I can understand your frustration as there isn't any consistency with this particular rule. It seems that it varies from car to car and event to event. Tony
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Not that I would ever accuse anyone of revenge, after all the hell I raised about this subject on our site, I pulled up to tech, where Steve Davies opened a new inspection line just for my car out in the sun, between the two covered canopies.
After letting us bake for a half hour, he finally sent one inspector over and all went well, but I almost passed out by the time I did my bailout (SFI 20 suit).
Strange as it seems, their were no more than one car in each covered lnspection lane while I baked.
Some day I will have to buy Steve a beer while we have a really, really serious talk..............
Bob
Bob, I had a similar bad experience with an inspector who used inappropriate language, talked down to myself, my crew and 70 year old father, and acted wildly unprofessional (even with kids around). So much so that a SCTA official pull him away from the situation (*thank you BTW if you are reading this, I wanted to come back and and thank you again but couldnt find you).
Our actual inspectors were fine, no probs and they found some important items. This person wasnt even our inspector but came over when they seen it was us and started berating us before our inspectors even started or even got our car apart!
I am not going to name names on a public forum for fear of further issues, but make no mistake what you say here WILL have a direct affect on your experience in tech, depending on the inspector and what was said.
We have NEVER experienced a level of inappropriate behavior from all of our years running.
We were so pizzed about it we have decided not to run SW anymore and give WOS or WF and chance.
~JH
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What makes you feel there will be different personnel at WF (of WOS)?
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Stan, it's not really a personel problem, every one is hot and tired, including the inspector's.
It just seem's that once in a while you get one with a real "attitude problem" who need's a time out.
This is understandable, but it sure takes the fun out one's day.
In my case, although my lone inspector (Mike) was great to deal with, he was not qualified to inspect vehicles over 200 mph, and when he said so to Steve and also added that "it's out in the sun", Steve told him to do it anyway, get some one else to sign off, and promised he would only have to do "this one car out in the sun".
Thank's to Fogie for signing off after I did my bailout.
My final statement on this subject is that anyone who know's me know's that I have never been afraid to speak my mind on any subject to anyone, and if as a result I suffer consequences from someone of lesser integrety, so be it. Bob
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What makes you feel there will be different personnel at WF (of WOS)?
Fewer witnesses. LOL
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... and there are some from the witness protection program. :-o Tony