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Bonneville Motorcycle Speed Trials => Bville Motorcycle Speed Trials Rules Questions => Topic started by: baron on March 16, 2011, 03:35:37 PM

Title: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: baron on March 16, 2011, 03:35:37 PM
It looks like the 2011 AMA rules are yet to be posted, but seeing as its nearly April it sure would be nice to know if there are any major changes relating to the big labor stuff like bodywork or chassis.
So I am looking for any rumors or scuttlebutt relating to rule changes. Any thoughts???
 
Cheers,
Baron
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: geh458 on March 16, 2011, 05:39:05 PM
Hi,

Did you try the AMA website:   http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/ (http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/)
or did you try calling them:   1-800-262-5646
or how about downloading the 2011 AMA Rule Book itself (all 170 pages):  http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Libraries/Racing_Documents/2011_AMA_Racing_Rules.sflb.ashx (http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Libraries/Racing_Documents/2011_AMA_Racing_Rules.sflb.ashx)



Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: donpearsall on March 16, 2011, 05:46:41 PM
The AMA rulebook on the AMA website is not the same thing that will be posted on the BUB website. The one we all look for is the SUPPLEMENTAL rulebook for the specific BUB race week. This also includes Run What You Brung, and other stuff unique to Bonneville. Hope they post it soon.
Don
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: baron on March 16, 2011, 06:03:21 PM
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Quote from: geh458 on March 16, 2011, 05:39:05 PM
Hi,

Did you try the AMA website:   http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/ (http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/)
or did you try calling them:   1-800-262-5646
or how about downloading the 2011 AMA Rule Book itself (all 170 pages):  http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Libraries/Racing_Documents/2011_AMA_Racing_Rules.sflb.ashx (http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Libraries/Racing_Documents/2011_AMA_Racing_Rules.sflb.ashx)




Yes i have looked at the AMA site many times as well as the 2011 rulebook. There is no mention of Land Speed Racing rules, as far as i can tell, so I always refer to the link from BUB's website. Maybe I am just missing it.
Cheers,
Baron
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: geh458 on March 16, 2011, 06:56:58 PM
Quote from: donpearsall on March 16, 2011, 05:46:41 PM
The AMA rulebook on the AMA website is not the same thing that will be posted on the BUB website. The one we all look for is the SUPPLEMENTAL rulebook for the specific BUB race week. This also includes Run What You Brung, and other stuff unique to Bonneville. Hope they post it soon.
Don

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Quote from: baron on March 16, 2011, 06:03:21 PM
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Quote from: geh458 on March 16, 2011, 05:39:05 PM
Hi,

Did you try the AMA website:   http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/ (http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/)
or did you try calling them:   1-800-262-5646
or how about downloading the 2011 AMA Rule Book itself (all 170 pages):  http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Libraries/Racing_Documents/2011_AMA_Racing_Rules.sflb.ashx (http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Libraries/Racing_Documents/2011_AMA_Racing_Rules.sflb.ashx)




Yes i have looked at the AMA site many times as well as the 2011 rulebook. There is no mention of Land Speed Racing rules, as far as i can tell, so I always refer to the link from BUB's website. Maybe I am just missing it.
Cheers,
Baron


I didn't realize that BUB issues a supplement (extra stuff) to the AMA rules.  I'm a car guy just trying to help out, I'm bored at work today.

Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: ol38y on March 17, 2011, 01:11:08 PM
I wouldn't be too worried about when the 2011 rules will be out. Last year they modified the new rules for 2010 as late as 3 weeks before the meet. Again, not to worry. They only selectively enforce them. If you run the long course you definately have nothing to worry about. JME
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: donpearsall on March 17, 2011, 01:38:48 PM
I expect the rules will not be changed substantially. However I do want to know if they will be requiring a 2010 helmet or not.
Don
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: ol38y on March 17, 2011, 01:56:16 PM
When they changed to a M2005 requirement they were only a year ahead of SCTA. But, that's always a possibility.
Title: 2011 AMA/BUB Supplemental Rulebook
Post by: AHG on March 25, 2011, 10:15:01 AM
New 2011 Rulebook to be posted within 1 to 2 days.
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: ol38y on March 25, 2011, 11:43:10 AM
Drew, I just downloaded it from your link??? :|
Title: 2011 AMA/BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials Supplemental Rulebook
Post by: AHG on March 25, 2011, 02:37:25 PM
Enclosed is a link to the completed rulebook for 2011
attn:"ol38y" - disregard your earlier download.

http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/racing/rules
Scroll down to BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials listing
THINK BONNEVILLE...THINK SPEED...THINK FUN...THANK BUB
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: MC 1314 on March 25, 2011, 02:55:57 PM
Thanks Drew, now I can find out what I did wrong in the off-season.
Bob
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: ol38y on March 25, 2011, 03:02:34 PM
The new link looks the same as the other one except the new one says  pages cannot be found?
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: donpearsall on March 25, 2011, 04:43:11 PM
The download link is now on the BUB website too. I briefly went through the rules and it looks like I can keep my 2005 helmet another year. But I am still looking for one with a taller viewing area.
Don
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: nrhs sales on March 25, 2011, 06:42:10 PM
I caught an error on the one published on AMA site.  that is why it was taken down so they can correct it.
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: ol38y on March 25, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
Ya wanna let us know what it was so I don't have to copy 57 pages again... :cry:
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: makr on March 26, 2011, 07:29:51 AM
Quote from: donpearsall on March 17, 2011, 01:38:48 PM
I expect the rules will not be changed substantially. However I do want to know if they will be requiring a 2010 helmet or not.
Don

I was told in scrutineering last year that my m2005 helmet would be no good this year.
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: donpearsall on March 26, 2011, 10:07:44 AM
Yes I was told that 2005 helmets would have to be replaced for this season too. But the new rulebook says Snell M2005, M2010 or DOT FMVSS 218 are good.
Don
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: ol38y on March 26, 2011, 10:28:14 AM
Hadn't heard that. That's kinda overkill to my thinking.
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: Eurogeek Moto on March 26, 2011, 10:43:19 AM
The AMA has made the decision to allow 2005 Helmets for this year, 2011

Also the rule book is up on the BUB site.  http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2011_event/r&r11.html





Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: ol38y on March 26, 2011, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: Eurogeek Moto on March 26, 2011, 10:43:19 AM
The AMA has made the decision to allow 2005 Helmets for this year, 2011

Also the rule book is up on the BUB site.  http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2011_event/r&r11.html







Thanks for the info. Can you tell me what had to be changed from the original posting. I've already printed all 57 pages of the original posting and would rather not have to do it again for a couple simple changes. Thanks, See ya on the salt... :cheers:

PM me if you'd rather
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: Eurogeek Moto on March 26, 2011, 07:46:38 PM
5.J.   page 30 had wrong wording. Print that page
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: ol38y on March 26, 2011, 07:58:33 PM
Quote from: Eurogeek Moto on March 26, 2011, 07:46:38 PM
5.J.   page 30 had wrong wording. Print that page

Thanks, I need to save ink for printing checks... LOL

Can you shed any light on AMA's opinion on helmet certification and there viable lifespan?

Thanks, Larry
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: donpearsall on March 27, 2011, 04:44:14 PM
There are lots of changes to the "A" class especially how the rear seat/fender combo affects streamlining. I have questions about this because I was going to be entering this class. Eurogeek (sorry, forgot your name from when you inspected my bike) can you answer question about this?
Don
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: maj on March 27, 2011, 06:15:51 PM
So the differences between M and A at the rear are the 8" beyond tire for A and 0 " for M
and the lower section on M cannot go below the axle line but with A it can run as an extended belly pan to the vertical axle line

Just wanting to be sure on this as i have seen A bikes cut on the horizontal axle line
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: donpearsall on March 27, 2011, 06:28:00 PM
This is why a picture is worth 1,000,000 words. I see a lot of questions in that new section. Maybe the inspectors can come up with a drawing that shows the maximum allowable rear area for the A class. That will forestall a lot of repeated clarifications and angry riders in the inspection line.
Don
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: Koncretekid on March 27, 2011, 06:30:22 PM
The new rules for rear fender/ seat in the "A" class, "Open", read as follows:
     "Fenders must meet criteria in rule 7.D. to be excluded from this rule.
Any aerodynamic aid at the rear of the motorcycle (including the riders seat/tail section), shall not extend past the most rearward edge of the rear tire, should not be higher than 5 inches above the lowest section of the top of the seat cushion or seat base if no cushion is used, nor shall it be wider than the rider as viewed from the rear."

Does anybody have a clue as to how the first part of this paragraph is supposed to be interpretted?

I built my frame in good faith according to 2010 rules ( and wrote to BUB as early as February 27 regarding my design), but attempting to get my back and butt as low as possible.  It now appears that the plywood seat is going to look more like a milk crate and my a** will be riding as high as the bikes in the "M" class.  And I thought the special construction class would allow such a variation, but apparently not any more.  Bummer.
Tom
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: donpearsall on March 27, 2011, 07:06:26 PM
Tom from your photo, it looks like the top of your fender area is too high. UNLESS you use a rear thick cushion to get the distance from the top of the cushion to the top of the fender less than 5".
Like I said, there will be a lot of confusion here, so I urge the AMA inspectors to issue a drawing that shows definitively what that section means.

Don
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: Koncretekid on March 27, 2011, 07:14:05 PM
Quote from: donpearsall on March 27, 2011, 07:06:26 PM
Tom from your photo, it looks like the top of your fender area is too high. UNLESS you use a rear thick cushion to get the distance from the top of the cushion to the top of the fender less than 5".
Like I said, there will be a lot of confusion here, so I urge the AMA inspectors to issue a drawing that shows definitively what that section means.

Don
....only as of the posting of the new rules!  And I wonder how they will treat the new "laydown" style bikes, such as those by Team Sodium Distortion?
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: nrhs sales on March 28, 2011, 04:15:52 PM
That is the same rule that was decided on last year so it should not come as a shock to anybody. It was in the supplemental rules.

This is what was published last year:

http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2010_event/AMA-BUB-Aerodynamic-Clarification-UPDATED080910.pdf

If you built your bike to 2010 rules you are fine as nothing has changed as far as rear fenders go.
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: maj on March 28, 2011, 05:54:44 PM
new build  since Bubs, developed a lot more since this pic
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/maj750/P1000537.jpg)
and as i need it to conform to both AMA and SCTA i will need replacable panels , all easier to do here before i ship it to the US rather than hack it up when i'm there
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: ol38y on March 28, 2011, 06:39:25 PM
Quote from: donpearsall on March 27, 2011, 07:06:26 PM
Tom from your photo, it looks like the top of your fender area is too high. UNLESS you use a rear thick cushion to get the distance from the top of the cushion to the top of the fender less than 5".
Like I said, there will be a lot of confusion here, so I urge the AMA inspectors to issue a drawing that shows definitively what that section means.

Don

The 5" rule is for M class bikes only is it not? That was my memory. Also, I was told they could measure the 5" from the bottom of the seat pan, not necessarily from the top of the pad. Guess I need to read those parts over again. Mine passes, just need to know what the lines are.
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: donpearsall on March 28, 2011, 07:28:58 PM
It looks like the rules for open class "M" and "A" are the same. The wording is identical for both classes.

"Any aerodynamic aid at the rear of the motorcycle (including the riders seat/tail section), shall not extend past the most rearward edge of the rear tire, should not be higher than 5 inches above the lowest section of the top of the seat cushion or seat base if no cushion is used"

Don

Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: Koncretekid on March 28, 2011, 07:54:06 PM
Quote from: nrhs sales on March 28, 2011, 04:15:52 PM
That is the same rule that was decided on last year so it should not come as a shock to anybody. It was in the supplemental rules.

This is what was published last year:

http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2010_event/AMA-BUB-Aerodynamic-Clarification-UPDATED080910.pdf

If you built your bike to 2010 rules you are fine as nothing has changed as far as rear fenders go.
My bad!  I didn't compete in the "A" class last year, so I didn't pay attention to the "supplemental rules" that were issued in June.  I used, instead, the 2010 rulebook that is on the BUB website. But I'm still confused by the statement "fenders must meet the criteria in 7.D. to be excluded from this rule."  As I appear to meet the criteria in 7.D., does that mean I am excluded from this new rule?  Wishful thinking.
Tom
Title: Re: 2011 AMA rulebook?
Post by: Eurogeek Moto on April 09, 2011, 09:14:35 PM
Quote from: ol38y on March 26, 2011, 07:58:33 PM
Can you shed any light on AMA's opinion on helmet certification and there viable lifespan?
Thanks, Larry

Larry,

 I would have to quote the rule book for this.

2. L. (III) HELMET
It is the sole responsibility of the participant to select a helmet that provides appropriate protection and to maintain its fitness and condition.


Curtis