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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: stay`tee on February 03, 2011, 05:36:16 AM
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What would be the fastest speed ran by a Triumph motorcycle (one motor) at Bonneville?,,,
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230 mph is the 650cc fuel steamliner record from 1962 on a Triumph
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That would be the Bill Johnson nitro fuelled Triumph streamliner, i see the record still stands today,, 8-),,,
Will rephrase the question, fastest "sit on" (lay down, (drag bike style) Triumph :?
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Mabry Trident still has the 1000cc APS-PBF record from 1996 at 213mph
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We are working on beating that sit-on Triumph record. A few months after my 165th birthday if we proceed at our current rate.
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Marby Trident :?, photo, information please,,,,, most of my mates are Triumph people,,, because thay all know the history behind the naming of the Bonnie there is a connenction for them with LSR and this fuels their curiosity in our sport, thay are always asking me "how fast has a Triumph gone", hence this post so i can give some factual answers.
Having attended three BUB`s events i am familiar with Tom Mellors achivements,(that Trident at full speed is the sweetest noise i have ever heard :-)) ,, so any information on Triumphs in LSR would be appricated, :-)
Yes Wobbly, i have seen you there, although havent introduced myself, will do so this year,,, as much as i would like to be around to see that 213 pass, i dont think i will be,, LOL,,, :cheers:
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South Bay Trimph are active in LSR as well with the "new" Triumphs
http://www.southbaytriumph.com/
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Mabry buit a series of turbo alky 3 cylinders. I think the 2000cc dual engine one went over 240mph but did not back that up, but does have the record at 221. They all had the same style / look laydown frame and body work. The last yellow one below was for the 750cc class, but never got the record.
Yes, the Mellor 3 cylinder ran some impressive mph for gasoline and carbs.
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The Mabry double is a 3000cc class bike. With Jon Minnono riding it was the first sit on bike over 250mph. It currently holds the record for 3000APS/PBF at 238.740.
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Jon M. set the 2000cc record on a Triumph at 221 mph back in 1991 and it still stands according to SCTA. I thought that bike was also a double engined bike since it seems it would be difficult to build a pushrod Triumph bigger than 1650cc...and be efficient enough to set a record.
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If I remember right there was no 1650 class back then.
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Take a look at http://www.teamtriumphtexas.com/
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the yellow #605 was for sale last week..... it probably still is.... give Ed a call it could be yours
kent
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the yellow #605 was for sale last week..... it probably still is.... give Ed a call it could be yours
kent
Thankyou, but no thankyou,,, one irate Kawasaki ZX12R is enough for me at the moment :wink: :-)
Have spent the afternoon checkingout the links (and the links links), made for some very interesting reading, and was an education on the marque`s performances. The mates will be very happy when i tell them that Triumph was the first sit on bike over 250mph :cheers:,,,
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There is a lot of unrealized speed in the new Hinckley Bonneville. The turbo bike Matt Capri runs makes a lot of power. He runs it naked. All of my work has been with streamlining on a mildly modified street motor. No one yet has used both, a big horsepower Hinckley twin with streamlining.
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There always seams to be a gang of newer model Triumphs lined up waiting for a pass on the "Run Whatcha Brung" course at BUB`s,, what speeds are the boys getting from these street bikes, Bonnevilles, Daytona`s, Speed Tripples etc :?
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Back in the late 1990's early 2000's Mike Corbin (Corbin seats) ran one of the "new" Triumph triple with Chance Darling as rider.....the bike ran just over 200mph. on the salt.....the interesting thing about the bike was that it used a "golf ball" type of fairing................................................................
Bike has been sold......fairing is hanging up off the ceiling....may try it on our sidecar.........
Mike made the body for our 1990 sidecar liner that is now in the Barber Museum.......
Talking "early" Triumph......for sale; Pre-unit 750c.c. (Chatland Kit) complete ready to ride bike (will send you pictures) Pm me....% of the dollars going to Landracing.com.......................
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The best data sources for BUB are Scooter Grubb's book showing what the Triumphs look like and their numbers, and the run logs and results listed on the 2010 BUB Speed Trials website that give the rest. It would take an evening to assemble the information. Matt Capri is the only person I know who knows the outer limits of what a modern Triumph engine can do.
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Ed Mabry has both the fastest old and new Triumph sit on motorcycle
1998, 21 Aug. 604 1000 APS-BF 200.249
only New Triumph to set record over 200 not by much but still over.
link to photos
http://www.teamtriumphtexas.com/604.htm
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I believe the current record in the 250cc Modified Pushrod / Gasoline class is held by a Triumph at 79.33 mph. I hope to bring a Triumph T20 to BUB-2011 and up the record. I was tagging along with Tom Moeller in '09 and got the idea that if I was to return to the salt, I might just as well have something to ride.
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I think that Bob Leppan had a streamliner in 1967 called the Gyronaut X1.... he went 245+ MPH.... I am pretty sure it was a 750cc though, which in those days was probably a Sonny Routt big bore kit. It was actually, for a number of years the unlimited motorcycle record holder....
In 1970, Don Vesco, with his 'liner, eclipsed Bob' record by about 6 mph and became the unlimited motorcycle land speed record holder..... for about 6 weeks.... and then Cal Rayborn went 265+ mph to claim that distinction.
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An article on the Joe Dudek 650cc Bonneville powered streamliner piloted by Bill Johnson is in the latest (for us in the US) Classic Bike Guide. This is the January 2011 issue of the British magazine.
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Fastest Triumph Steamliners Fastest open Triumph bikes
Bob Leppan's Gyronaut 1966 245mph Mabry Twin engine Triple 2001 238mph
Two Triumph twin motors
Bill Johnson/Joe Dudek Triumph 1963 230mph Mabry single pushrod engine triple 1996 213mph
Triumph Twin Mabry OHC Triumph triple 1998 200mph
Texas Ceegar 1956 214 mph Jack Wilson turbo triple 1974 192mph
650cc Triumph twin
Texas Ceegar 1958 212mph
500cc Triumph twin
Richards Steamliner 1970 207mph
750cc Triumph twin
This is the fastest Triumph I know. All are records not one way runs. Of course this list is incomplete and please feel free to add to it. I just love fast Triumph motorcycles!
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Fastest Triumph Steamliners Fastest open Triumph bikes
Bob Leppan's Gyronaut 1966 245mph Mabry Twin engine Triple 2001 238mph
Two Triumph twin motors
Bill Johnson/Joe Dudek Triumph 1963 230mph Mabry single pushrod engine triple 1996 213mph
Triumph Twin Mabry OHC Triumph triple 1998 200mph
Texas Ceegar 1956 214 mph Jack Wilson turbo triple 1974 192mph
650cc Triumph twin
Texas Ceegar 1958 212mph
500cc Triumph twin
Richards Steamliner 1970 207mph
750cc Triumph twin
This is the fastest Triumph I know. All are records not one way runs. Of course this list is incomplete and please feel free to add to it. I just love fast Triumph motorcycles!
Jon Minono was timed over 250 on this open wheel twin engined Triumph...his record is 238.740 mph
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Where is the "Gyronaut X1" :?,,,, i was in England last year, and visited the National Motorcycle Museum in Sollihull just out of Birmingham,,, thay have a great collection of British powerd LSR bikes on display, along with others, the "Nero, Texas Cigar and Sams little yellow Norton",,,, could`nt help but think where is the Gyronaut :?
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Bob Leppan still has the Gyronaut streamliner. He was in the process of restoring it last time I talked to him. Which was a couple of years ago.
Sam's little yellow Norton was one neat bike to restore. Where did the museum put it? Hope it is front and center.
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Bob Leppan still has the Gyronaut streamliner. He was in the process of restoring it last time I talked to him. Which was a couple of years ago.
Sam's little yellow Norton was one neat bike to restore. Where did the museum put it? Hope it is front and center.
Sam's yellow Norton.... from 1971?..... didn't it morph into Al Teague's car streamliner?.... now I know that it didn't really but....
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Here you are, not exactly front and center 8-),,,
(IMG)(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/Staytee/PIC_0949.jpg)
Frount and center saw the "Texas Cigarr" :cheers:
(IMG)(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/Staytee/PIC_0951.jpg)
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Sam's yellow Norton.... from 1971?..... didn't it morph into Al Teague's car streamliner?.... now I know that it didn't really but....
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I was told Al Teaque's car streamliner started life from one of Denis Manning's Gulf Norton streamliner bodies. We are getting real close on firing up the Gulf Norton bike, The fuel pump and injection system should be back in house this week. About a month out on hearing it run. photos here. http://bigdcycle.com/blog/?p=1021
That is not front and center for Sam's bike. That does not make me happy. Best part about restoring Sam's bike was getting to meet and work with Sam. What a truly smart and nice guy. Not mention one hell of as rider to get in that bike and go 200.
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Matt Capri is the only person I know who knows the outer limits of what a modern Triumph engine can do.
Bill Gately at Bonneville Performance has been running a bored and stroked 1250cc Hinkley twin since 2005 in his flattrack bike. He also builds his onw frames. I am lucky enough to be crewing for him at four races this year. And, you bet that I'll be picking his brain for the tips of the week! Hopefully I can turn that into a usable combo for LSR.
http://bonnevilleperformance.com
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Can someone clarify when this photo of Boris Murray was taken? Were these motors possibly used in the Manning - Murray streamliner.
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https://youtu.be/2BDedZ-sbrs
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Hey - anybody else getting that insecure connection crap? I've been blocked from such radical poorly-constructed sites as Bing, and Google, and so on. Not, interestingly, some sites that one might expect WOULD be improperly cornfigured.
So - it looks to be a Firefox setting and not the Kaspersky virus stuff I run. If you're having the issues -- let me know and maybe Bob can help us.
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Hey - anybody else getting that insecure connection crap? I've been blocked from such radical poorly-constructed sites as Bing, and Google, and so on. Not, interestingly, some sites that one might expect WOULD be improperly cornfigured.
So - it looks to be a Firefox setting and not the Kaspersky virus stuff I run. If you're having the issues -- let me know and maybe Bob can help us.
Everything is fine here Jon.
Don
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Kaspersky virus stuff
Based in Moscow, friendly with Putin. Perhaps the Russians are hacking you at this moment. :evil:
Mike
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Can someone clarify when this photo of Boris Murray was taken? Were these motors possibly used in the Manning - Murray streamliner.
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Google says Speed Week 1966.