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Title: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: stay`tee on February 03, 2011, 05:36:16 AM
What would be the fastest speed ran by a Triumph motorcycle (one motor) at Bonneville?,,,
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: *RP* on February 03, 2011, 06:43:57 AM
230 mph is the 650cc fuel steamliner record from 1962 on a Triumph
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: stay`tee on February 04, 2011, 02:40:28 AM
That would be the Bill Johnson nitro fuelled Triumph streamliner, i see the record still stands today,,  8-),,,
 Will rephrase the question, fastest "sit on" (lay down, (drag bike style) Triumph :?
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: *RP* on February 04, 2011, 05:40:02 AM
Mabry Trident still has the 1000cc APS-PBF record from 1996 at 213mph
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 05, 2011, 12:16:41 AM
We are working on beating that sit-on Triumph record.  A few months after my 165th birthday if we proceed at our current rate.
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: stay`tee on February 05, 2011, 01:25:48 AM
Marby Trident  :?, photo, information please,,,,, most of my mates are Triumph people,,, because thay all know the history behind the naming of the Bonnie there is a connenction for them with LSR and this fuels their curiosity in our sport, thay are always asking me "how fast has a Triumph gone", hence this post so i can give some factual answers.
Having attended three BUB`s events i am familiar with Tom Mellors achivements,(that Trident at full speed is the sweetest noise i have ever heard :-)) ,, so any information on Triumphs in LSR would be appricated,  :-)
Yes Wobbly, i have seen you there, although havent introduced myself, will do so this year,,,  as much as i would like to be around to see that 213 pass, i dont think i will be,, LOL,,, :cheers:
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: Beairsto Racing on February 05, 2011, 03:59:51 AM
South Bay Trimph are active in LSR as well with the "new" Triumphs

http://www.southbaytriumph.com/
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: *RP* on February 05, 2011, 08:29:18 AM
Mabry buit a series of turbo alky 3 cylinders.  I think the 2000cc dual engine one went over 240mph but did not back that up, but does have the record at 221. They all had the same style / look laydown frame and body work.  The last yellow one below was for the 750cc class, but never got the record.
  
Yes, the Mellor 3 cylinder ran some impressive mph for gasoline and carbs.

Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: fredvance on February 05, 2011, 11:57:57 AM
The Mabry double is a 3000cc class bike. With Jon Minnono riding it was the first sit on bike over 250mph. It currently holds the record for 3000APS/PBF at 238.740.
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: *RP* on February 05, 2011, 02:14:10 PM
Jon M. set the 2000cc record on a Triumph at 221 mph back in 1991 and it still stands according to SCTA.  I thought that bike was also a double engined bike since it seems it would be difficult to build a pushrod Triumph bigger than 1650cc...and be efficient enough to set a record.
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: fredvance on February 05, 2011, 02:39:02 PM
If I remember right there was no 1650 class back then.
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: dick elliott on February 05, 2011, 02:46:55 PM
Take a look at http://www.teamtriumphtexas.com/
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: 1212FBGS on February 05, 2011, 07:00:22 PM
the yellow #605 was for sale last week..... it probably still is.... give Ed a call it could be yours
kent
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: stay`tee on February 06, 2011, 12:20:44 AM
the yellow #605 was for sale last week..... it probably still is.... give Ed a call it could be yours
kent
Thankyou, but no thankyou,,, one irate Kawasaki ZX12R is enough for me at the moment :wink: :-)

Have spent the afternoon checkingout the links (and the links links), made for some very interesting reading, and was an education on the marque`s performances. The mates will be very happy when i tell them that Triumph was the first sit on bike over 250mph  :cheers:,,,
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 06, 2011, 01:29:28 AM
There is a lot of unrealized speed in the new Hinckley Bonneville.  The turbo bike Matt Capri runs makes a lot of power.  He runs it naked.  All of my work has been with streamlining on a mildly modified street motor.  No one yet has used both, a big horsepower Hinckley twin with streamlining. 
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: stay`tee on February 07, 2011, 06:33:58 AM
There always seams to be a gang of newer model Triumphs lined up waiting for a pass on the "Run Whatcha Brung" course at BUB`s,, what speeds are the boys getting from these street bikes, Bonnevilles, Daytona`s, Speed Tripples etc :?
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: bak189 on February 07, 2011, 10:14:07 AM
Back in the late 1990's early 2000's Mike Corbin (Corbin seats) ran one of the "new" Triumph triple with Chance Darling as rider.....the bike ran just over 200mph. on the salt.....the interesting thing about the bike was that it used a "golf ball" type of fairing................................................................
Bike has been sold......fairing is hanging up off the ceiling....may try it on our sidecar.........
Mike made the body for our 1990 sidecar liner that is now in the Barber Museum.......

Talking "early" Triumph......for sale; Pre-unit 750c.c. (Chatland Kit) complete ready to ride bike (will send you pictures)   Pm me....% of the dollars going to Landracing.com.......................
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 07, 2011, 09:37:49 PM
The best data sources for BUB are Scooter Grubb's book showing what the Triumphs look like and their numbers, and the run logs and results listed on the 2010 BUB Speed Trials website that give the rest.  It would take an evening to assemble the information.  Matt Capri is the only person I know who knows the outer limits of what a modern Triumph engine can do.     
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: triumphrpm bigdcycle@att. on February 09, 2011, 02:11:34 PM
Ed Mabry has both the fastest old  and new Triumph sit on motorcycle

1998, 21 Aug.    604      1000 APS-BF    200.249  

only New Triumph to set record over 200 not by much but still over.

link to photos
http://www.teamtriumphtexas.com/604.htm
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: Old Scrambler on February 14, 2011, 08:44:32 PM
I believe the current record in the 250cc Modified Pushrod / Gasoline class is held by a Triumph at 79.33 mph.  I hope to bring a Triumph T20 to BUB-2011 and up the record. I was tagging along with Tom Moeller in '09 and got the idea that if I was to return to the salt, I might just as well have something to ride.
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: fastman614 on February 25, 2011, 07:07:43 PM
I think that Bob Leppan had a streamliner in 1967 called the Gyronaut X1.... he went 245+ MPH.... I am pretty sure it was a 750cc though, which in those days was probably a Sonny Routt big bore kit. It was actually, for a number of years the unlimited motorcycle record holder....

In 1970, Don Vesco, with his 'liner, eclipsed Bob' record by about 6 mph and became the unlimited motorcycle land speed record holder..... for about 6 weeks.... and then Cal Rayborn went 265+ mph to claim that distinction.
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: wobblywalrus on February 25, 2011, 11:48:16 PM
An article on the Joe Dudek 650cc Bonneville powered streamliner piloted by Bill Johnson is in the latest (for us in the US) Classic Bike Guide.  This is the January 2011 issue of the British magazine.
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: triumphrpm bigdcycle@att. on February 28, 2011, 01:23:07 PM
Fastest Triumph Steamliners                                           Fastest open Triumph bikes
                                                                                 

Bob Leppan's Gyronaut      1966  245mph                          Mabry Twin engine Triple  2001 238mph
Two Triumph twin motors                                     
                                                                               
Bill Johnson/Joe Dudek Triumph 1963 230mph                      Mabry single pushrod engine triple  1996 213mph
Triumph Twin                                                                Mabry OHC Triumph triple   1998 200mph

Texas Ceegar 1956 214 mph                                            Jack Wilson turbo triple   1974  192mph
650cc Triumph twin

Texas Ceegar  1958 212mph
500cc Triumph twin

Richards Steamliner 1970 207mph
750cc Triumph twin


 This is the fastest Triumph I know. All are records not one way runs. Of course this list is incomplete and please feel free to add to it. I just love fast Triumph motorcycles!
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: John Noonan on February 28, 2011, 02:10:02 PM
Fastest Triumph Steamliners                                           Fastest open Triumph bikes
                                                                                 

Bob Leppan's Gyronaut      1966  245mph                          Mabry Twin engine Triple  2001 238mph
Two Triumph twin motors                                     
                                                                               
Bill Johnson/Joe Dudek Triumph 1963 230mph                      Mabry single pushrod engine triple  1996 213mph
Triumph Twin                                                                Mabry OHC Triumph triple   1998 200mph

Texas Ceegar 1956 214 mph                                            Jack Wilson turbo triple   1974  192mph
650cc Triumph twin

Texas Ceegar  1958 212mph
500cc Triumph twin

Richards Steamliner 1970 207mph
750cc Triumph twin


 This is the fastest Triumph I know. All are records not one way runs. Of course this list is incomplete and please feel free to add to it. I just love fast Triumph motorcycles!


Jon Minono was timed over 250 on this open wheel twin engined Triumph...his record is 238.740 mph
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: stay`tee on March 01, 2011, 05:09:38 AM
Where is the "Gyronaut X1"  :?,,,, i was in England last year, and visited the National Motorcycle Museum in Sollihull just out of Birmingham,,, thay have a great collection of British powerd LSR bikes on display, along with others, the  "Nero, Texas Cigar and Sams little yellow Norton",,,, could`nt help but think where is the Gyronaut :?
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: triumphrpm bigdcycle@att. on March 01, 2011, 09:21:05 AM
Bob Leppan still has the Gyronaut streamliner. He was in the process of restoring it last time I talked to him.  Which was a couple of years ago.
Sam's little yellow Norton was one neat bike to restore. Where did the museum put it? Hope it is front and center.
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: fastman614 on March 01, 2011, 08:10:39 PM
Bob Leppan still has the Gyronaut streamliner. He was in the process of restoring it last time I talked to him.  Which was a couple of years ago.
Sam's little yellow Norton was one neat bike to restore. Where did the museum put it? Hope it is front and center.


Sam's yellow Norton.... from 1971?..... didn't it morph into Al Teague's car streamliner?.... now I know that it didn't really but....
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: stay`tee on March 02, 2011, 05:55:52 AM
Here you are, not exactly front and center  8-),,,
(IMG)(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/Staytee/PIC_0949.jpg)

Frount and center saw the "Texas Cigarr" :cheers:

(IMG)(http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu218/Staytee/PIC_0951.jpg)
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: triumphrpm bigdcycle@att. on March 02, 2011, 09:22:30 AM


Sam's yellow Norton.... from 1971?..... didn't it morph into Al Teague's car streamliner?.... now I know that it didn't really but....
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 I was told Al Teaque's car streamliner started life from one of Denis Manning's  Gulf Norton streamliner bodies. We are getting real close on firing up the Gulf Norton bike, The fuel pump and injection system should be back in house this week. About a month out on hearing it run. photos here.   http://bigdcycle.com/blog/?p=1021

That is not front and center for Sam's bike. That does not make me happy. Best part about restoring Sam's bike was getting to meet and work with Sam. What a truly smart and nice guy. Not mention one hell of as rider to get in that bike and go 200.
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: Calkins on March 02, 2011, 10:59:12 AM
Matt Capri is the only person I know who knows the outer limits of what a modern Triumph engine can do.    

Bill Gately at Bonneville Performance has been running a bored and stroked 1250cc Hinkley twin since 2005 in his flattrack bike.  He also builds his onw frames.  I am lucky enough to be crewing for him at four races this year.  And, you bet that I'll be picking his brain for the tips of the week!  Hopefully I can turn that into a usable combo for LSR.

http://bonnevilleperformance.com
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: Vinsky on January 19, 2017, 12:29:26 PM
Can someone clarify when this photo of Boris Murray was taken? Were these motors possibly used in the Manning - Murray streamliner.

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Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: Calkins on January 19, 2017, 12:46:22 PM
https://youtu.be/2BDedZ-sbrs
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on January 19, 2017, 01:28:31 PM
Hey - anybody else getting that insecure connection crap?  I've been blocked from such radical poorly-constructed sites as Bing, and Google, and so on.  Not, interestingly, some sites that one might expect WOULD be improperly cornfigured.

So - it looks to be a Firefox setting and not the Kaspersky virus stuff I run.  If you're having the issues -- let me know and maybe Bob can help us.
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: salt27 on January 19, 2017, 01:53:16 PM
Hey - anybody else getting that insecure connection crap?  I've been blocked from such radical poorly-constructed sites as Bing, and Google, and so on.  Not, interestingly, some sites that one might expect WOULD be improperly cornfigured.

So - it looks to be a Firefox setting and not the Kaspersky virus stuff I run.  If you're having the issues -- let me know and maybe Bob can help us.

Everything is fine here Jon.

  Don
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on January 19, 2017, 01:56:36 PM
Kaspersky virus stuff

Based in Moscow, friendly with Putin.  Perhaps the Russians are hacking you at this moment.   :evil:

Mike
Title: Re: Fastest Triumph ?
Post by: TrickyDicky on January 19, 2017, 04:09:16 PM
Can someone clarify when this photo of Boris Murray was taken? Were these motors possibly used in the Manning - Murray streamliner.

(http://)

Google says Speed Week 1966.