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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: Dr Goggles on March 15, 2010, 08:47:57 AM
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There'll be a lot more to be written about all this but just for starters I have to tell you guys that Brett de Stoop is the next big thing..... he's been to the last three DLRA meets running a 1000cc waterbottle....he ran 211 last year, he'd turned up with new bodywork after ditching the previous all aluminium job with a water tank in tail...the new fiberglass stuff was gorgeous and included a silhouette of himself as John Travolta in Saturday night Fever with "Salt Fever" underneath.....this year he was back, leaner, more "cowboy" than ever before.....this is a guy who has sand cast and machined his block, turned his own heads, tuned the motor on the dyno he built himself and put it into a frame he built clothed in a body he built ,he's not just the real deal ....he's the fastest I think because he ran 232 plus.....any comments?
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/dlra2/2010/speedweek20100310-066.jpg)
btw, he mentioned he saw 240+ on the GPS
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ive been is AWE of his efforts since he has been going....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
simply FANTASTIC.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
geeeeeezzzzzzz....you mean ya dont have to put a turbo on
a busa to go fast.........?....
this is what im talkin about.........
Joe :):)
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you gotta hear the sound this things makes when he clicks it into top gear at about 200 mph. like no 2 stroke you've ever heard.
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Congratulations!
There's nothing like an angry 2 stroke.
Please post some pictures of the engine.
Scott
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Wicked, totally badass. :cheers:
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Awwww--- :evil: lettin them things fire on each down stroke is sorta like----well let's just say
they just don't sound QUITE right :-o LOL
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Doc,
How many cylinders does this thing have? Two strokes can make some pretty awesome power and noise!
Looks like he is following in the steps of Burt Munroe.
Rex
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The bike is based on a 70's Suzuki GT 750 triple, affectionately known as the "Water Buffalo or "Iron Kettle".
Brett is a legend in the 2 stroke world with his reed valve conversions and expansion chambers for the GT 750's.
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He must be using Orbital's direct injection technology . They say it's superior to 4 cycle .
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great to see more variety and original thinking-so refreshing after the 'sea of identical busa,s' :roll:
i look forward to hearing a potent stinkwheel on the salt-
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Two of Larry Colemans AMA Sidecar Roadracing Championships were done with a "water buffalo" Suz. powered sidecar outfit...........they were very fast.......and lots of torque for pulling a chair w/passenger.
I was racing a BSA big-bore Triple sidecar in those day.........and the "water buffalo" would run away from
the Beezer.................AH, the good "Old Days"
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Bretts results very much reflect the effort he put in, :cheers:
I hope he can be one of the bikes coming to the US this year
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Brett's very much the local celebrity and despite chatting to him on the line, I didn't know he lived just down the road.
He was having issues with being sucked off the bike at speed and thought it had to do with the shape of the back protector in his leathers. They messed with it to reduce the hump and tested on the GPS track but I didn't hear how it went.
He made the local rag(s) this week.
(http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/Dwizdofoz/Speed%20Week%202010/DSCF5841.jpg)
(http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/Dwizdofoz/Speed%20Week%202010/DSCF5840.jpg)
Cheers,
Rob
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So I google maraylyan and get two results:
1. This newspaper article
2. www.thesauce.info (http://www.thesauce.info) which links to....this newspaper article.
So, six minutes wasted and I know less than I did before. :mrgreen:
Mike
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Mike,
Google "Maraylya, NSW" and all will be revealed.
Cheers,
Rob
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Congratlations Brett :cheers:, didnt get to meet you this year.. I notice in the photo taken on the salt, that the bike has all the bodywork attached (rear wheel area),, however in the photo in the newspaper article, the rear wheel is exposed,,, how was the bodywork when he ran the 230+ :?,,, also what hp (rear wheel or motor) is this kettle purclating at :?..
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Nice, love them two-strokes :cheers:
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He must be using Orbital's direct injection technology . They say it's superior to 4 cycle .
Sorry John
Just three carbies
No fuel injection there.
After he did 217 earlier in the week , he was wearing a shirt that said "club animal NAC 200MPH"
That would be "naturally aspirated carburettor"
G
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There'll be a lot more to be written about all this but just for starters I have to tell you
guys that Brett de Stoop is the next big thing..... he's been to the last three DLRA meets
running a 1000cc waterbottle....he ran 211 last year, he'd turned up with new bodywork
after ditching the previous all aluminium job with a water tank in tail...the new fiberglass
stuff was gorgeous and included a silhouette of himself as John Travolta in Saturday night
Fever with "Salt Fever" underneath.....this year he was back, leaner, more "cowboy"
than ever before.....this is a guy who has sand cast and machined his block, turned
his own heads, tuned the motor on the dyno he built himself and put it into a frame
he built clothed in a body he built ,he's not just the real deal ....
he's the fastest I think because he ran 232 plus.....any comments?
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/dlra2/2010/speedweek20100310-066.jpg)
btw, he mentioned he saw 240+ on the GPS
Can't say too many good things about this lad !
I believe this is the fastest ever
2-stroke sit-on bike in the world.
I held that crown for 20 years,
and I am happy to pass it on to
a man who does it all himself,
in his own shop.
Isn't this the LSR spirit ?
Scott Guthrie
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He was having issues with being sucked off the bike at speed and thought it had to do with the shape of the back protector in his leathers. They messed with it to reduce the hump and tested on the GPS track but I didn't hear how it went.
being sucked off the bike
At first congratulation to the achievement.
Well, I'm not surprised about this "sucked off" effect - he runs with this aero configuration into a "vaccum cleaner" - some miles slower than normal - but he run into....
As I said to Dan Warner at the World of Speed.....follow the idea of Joe Amo's bike means not that it will work the same way.
In Joe's body work are a lot of aerodynamic trick which you can't see...... :roll:
By the way - Joe had on his qualifier run in September a peak speed from 284+ mph.....we done a computer calculation....on his return run he was on the way to reach a peak speed from close or over 300 mph.....awesome, too.... :cheers:
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Hi Scott, good to see you back here.
you be right - when the tire works!
Interested on this point is the aerodynamic.
if your aero is right, your handling will work and than the tires can reach a much higher speed.
or otherwise - if your aerodynamic didn't work - the aero effect the handling - when you have hard to work on
the handling you stress the tires.....
so - better the aerodynamic is - you are getting a higher speed range from the tire....simple rule...... :-D
Due to Joe after the run in September - the faster he went so easier the bike stand solid - no issue with the handling anymore.....hope he can fix the engine for another go this year.
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I see that Joe's bike and the Aussie bike have very blunt noses. Thats very interesting.
Fred
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I see that Joe's bike and the Aussie bike have very blunt noses. Thats very interesting.
Fred
Fred,
to the blunt nose - there is a big different from the aerodynamic view between Joe's and Brett's bike.....big different :roll:
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And one from the side :-D
G
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Any body have a picture of Joe Amo's bike?
Rex
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Thats Awesome!
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I think I've got a photo of Joe's bike, too. And also -- didn't a shot or two of it show up in Rocky's column a few months back?
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Any body have a picture of Joe Amo's bike?
Rex
Go to
Bonneville general chat page 6,
Joe Amo, fastest on a sit on bike,
click on Rocky's link.
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Amo
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Regarding Fred's comment about the blunt nose on both bikes:
I see that Joe's bike and the Aussie bike have very blunt noses. Thats very interesting.
Fred
Both of these bikes show that it is not the front that make you go fast, it is the back. Both have extended tails that are designed to insure that the air flow stays attached and recombinds at the back of the bike for minimum drag. Obviously both bikes have a front shape that gets the air to flow around the sides with mimimum disturbance, but it is still the back of these bikes that make them fast. The "normal" bike with standard fairings are really "blunt bodies" the back of the bike is open and generates what is termed as "pressure drag" and this limits their speed. Imagine one of Jon Noonan's Hayabushas with this body, it would be instant 300 mph + on a "sit on" bike.
I am not privy to the shape details of Joe's bike as Pork Pie appears to be but I think that the bike of de Stoop appears to me to have the best solution to the rear. That said Joe's bike is probably more "aero" as he probably doesn't have 75% more hp than de Stoop that would be required to make the speed differential.
I guess this also brings up the question, should sit on bike really be allowed to go as fasts as this without any other protection than a good helmet and some leathers? It is going to happen and the potential for serious injury is very high when one of these bikes go down at 250+. The sight of someones body doing pencil rolls at 250+ mph is something I would prefer not to see, but I suppose that is why their seats have the big "ball reliefs" cut ino them.
Rex
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i must say.....this is great entertainment........
imagine so and so with this piece bla bla..imagine a busa with bla bla..
guessing at hp numbers as well as aero...
guessing.......
alot of assumptions.........:)
but im no different...guilty of far worse....something to do in the winter and beyond :)
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Rex,
what looks fast.....has not to be fast.....
Brett is using a very popular solution.....but may be not the best solution from aerodynamic view... :roll:
For a motorcycle you need also a good front shape....for Joe's bike....it's a very good compromise between clean front and rear.....
and as I wrote before...both bikes shows a blunt nose....but there is big different.....I can see a lot of improvements on Brett's bike for the front.....which will also reduce the "suck" effect, which Brett mentioned.....
Aerodynamic for bikes are especially detail aero tricks, which a bike make fast.....Joe's bike is far away from his real potential....if the track condition is ríght, Joe can produce some more highlights....... :cheers:
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Speaking of motors, Joe are you going to be at Speedweek??
Fred
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QImtEKiicus
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Most of us that have raced LSR bikes have know for some time that the "back end" is what it is all about
When we used the windtunnel back in the early 1970's for the 125c.c. Can-Am effort we saw what a
special long tail did for Aero. What we did not know at that time was how to get the chassis to work
with the long tail........Brett and Joe got the bikes to handle....they have solved this problem. Also until resently the rules did not allow for a "long back end"....Thankfully the "officials" have seen the error in their "old rules" and the sky is now the limit for a sit-on bike..........................................................
PS. I have been told, that if the FIM "officials" allow it, the sidecar outfit of Fritz Egli will have a long tail
for his 2010 run at the BUB......in 2009 he ran 208mph. it will be interesting to see how much gain he can achieve with these mods.
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Scott,
Thanks for the link and I know that Jason probably has some major "ball reliefs" in his seat after that crash! Amazing how little he appeared to be injured, but lucky that the bike didn't become entangled with him.
Rex
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The two bikes look similiar at first look. however there are tons of differences between the two.
Joe's backup run could have been in the 300 area - You must first as Joe "What were you geared for" and then you can see and understand what the potential Joe see's for the bike. The results are very interesting - and with available power and all the data it was only logical that there is more there.
The engine failure was not due to mechanical problems - it was due to user malfunction - That is interesting as the numbers were going to be huge.
The first run was this
219.6675 quarter
242.38061 1st Mile
272.61016 2nd Mile
224.14331 Third mile
The second Run was this:
230.20108 quarter
251.31421 1st mile
229.2071 2nd mile
During the early part of the 2nd mile is where the motor let go and coasted thru for an average of 251 mph in second mile.
Both of those bikes are bitchen in their own respect and what is much more interesting is they are both 1000cc bikes.
So BUSA power doesnt mean anything - And who says these guys need to full potential of a busa turbo engine. Maybe they do have the same engine HP - but they dont need it.
JA
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...being sucked off the bike.
In the tucked down riding position there was a big gap between the helmet and the back hump of the jacket. Brett felt the jacket pull at +130MPH.
1000MPH tape to the rescue.
We taped him up like a Mummy, squashing the hump down. This helped and the jacket hump will be re-shaped for next year.
Another problem that a bit of re-design will fix is the position of your arms and wrists. There’s not much hold-on strength in your arms when the throttle is opened up. Your wrist is twisted back really hard, the arms are angled in against the tiny tank, and there’s no room to move around to reposition the body. When the lift happens Brett’s arms can’t counter the affect very well.
Another ergonomic issue is the position of the gear shift lever. To get into top gear above 200MPH, Brett needs to plan ahead by moving to one side of the track, anchor the butt hard into the back of the seat and prepare for a half second exposure of the knee outside the faring. The bike tilts wildly like it’s been hit side-on by a truck and by the time the gear engages and the knee is safely tucked-in, the bike’s on the opposite side of the track and there’s a bit of corrective navigation to centre up. He reckons the wind is like a bloody great Bastard file going across your leg.
These will be fixed for next year.
In addition to the home made foundry and dyno, Brett makes salt tyres out of used race rubber. Reckons he’s got the shave just right this year.
Brett talks faster and louder than he rides and conversation is animated wildly by waving arms and pointing fingers. The horsepower question comes up a bit and the reply varies according to who’s asking. If it’s somebody with a high end bike the number is high (but 10% lower than theirs). When the Silverton Pub guys visited the number was quite low (about 10% higher than their tricked up 110cc Postie bike could possibly achieve). The home made dyno is more like a tuning fork than a precise measuring instrument.
On Friday, with the track about to close for the year, Brett was all nerves. Frank the Gypsy Photojournalist made a couple rounds of killer coffee with the Atomica (probably didn’t help). We taped down the jacket hump and added more tape to hold the first layers down. Conditions were perfect, no wind, not too hot, very hard salt. Brett carried on about not being bike guy, about not even liking bikes, it’s just lots cheaper than V8 cars, about his kids birthday, and how he doesn’t ride during the year. That this was the first ride since last Speedweek, except for the kids pee-wee, which he broke. Nervous Brett-babble, punctuated with a punch to your ribs and grab behind your neck.
Tension was quite high. We know the bike is capable, know our buddy skates the thin edge of a razor, knew something big was on the cards. He said this would be a shake-down ride, that he’d take it easy, that he wanted to take it home in one piece, finishing with an unconfident retorical “ya reckon?” I replied “what are you gunna think in six months?” This shut him up for precisely 18 seconds before barking orders started and we scrambled to find the kick start lever in the mess of his car.
And then he was off, a low growl grew to the usual scream and we waited for the little dot to shimmer into the haze and the all clear from Northern Rescue. Then the agonising wait for the Timers voice... Disco cranked all the way up for the escorted return of Salt Fever to nearly empty pits… then we spent the midday heat packing pits and camp. There was hardly anybody around. We celebrated with The Vincent camp in between packing. Mal Hewitt moved the Rapide record up a couple of MPH.
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That was an awesome write up... That is information that invaluable... Great job and keep it coming, by far the best piece of info from the meet yet.
I am still in awe of what Bret did naturally aspirated. And the part about making his own tires . wow..
This guy has the innovation aspect of the sport down perfectly. A true grass roots type of racer and out of the box thinking.
JonAmo
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Another problem that a bit of re-design will fix is the position of your arms and wrists. There’s not much hold-on strength in your arms when the throttle is opened up. Your wrist is twisted back really hard, the arms are angled in against the tiny tank, and there’s no room to move around to reposition the body. When the lift happens Brett’s arms can’t counter the affect very well.
Just thinking out loud, but there are thumb operated throttles like an ATV uses, many of the stunt riders use them. Not sure it's a good idea, but it's something to consider. Everything has its pluses and minuses, so may introduce something else you don't want.
I think I would run an air shifter to avoid that wild ride!
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Scott,
Thanks for the link and I know that Jason probably has some
major "ball reliefs" in his seat after that crash! Amazing how
little he appeared to be injured, but lucky that the bike
didn't become entangled with him.
Rex
Jason was back two (2) weeks later, with new leathers,
going the same speeds as before.
Every inch a man !
Ellen and I were at the side of the course, watching Jason come through,
and were the first "civilians" to the resting point(s).
From our vantage at the side of the track, it looked as if the bike had "jumped" on Jason,
lost it's fuel load, and then landed on Jason,
and that they were all in a burning heap.
I don't think either of us breathed until we saw the reality.
Scott
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...being sucked off the bike.
We taped him up like a Mummy,
Young man......
We hearby appoint you the official
writer for the DLRA !
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as far as the hump in the leathers.... i had that lift problem about 10 years ago... i cut the inside of the lining and leather up at the collar and pulled the foam out....problem solved.... without tape.....
the clear plexi on bretts bike that comes back and almost encloses the rider sure would have helped alot...
kent
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A few more pics...
Salt Fever arrives at the lake in a tin sarcophagus on a rickety trailer (wet lake... wet racers).
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S6icv_dkOGI/AAAAAAAAAMA/zJl8MVf8Ycs/s800/FeverTransport01.jpg)
Six blokes wrestle it off the trailer, hey presto... really awkward tool shed.
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S6icwX-b0LI/AAAAAAAAAME/dh-3qpAaDYw/s800/FeverTransport02.jpg)
The cockpit...
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S6icuqiuaiI/AAAAAAAAAL0/OM9BPtuNpR4/s800/FeverRiderView.jpg)
Rear...
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S6icK71YwRI/AAAAAAAAALs/1dxszc3yrW4/s800/FeverRearView.jpg)
Rider position
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S6icLEdJd5I/AAAAAAAAALw/gr1Dmi_MIG0/s800/FeverRidePosition.jpg)
Strategy time
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S6icJjnquYI/AAAAAAAAALg/6SOphxwiRt0/s800/FeverClubAnimal.jpg)
The wait...
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S6icvWSW3DI/AAAAAAAAAL8/y7ESsSJDi3M/s800/FeverStartWiat.jpg)
Nice and smooth off the line
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_u0_IOr1cg0w/S6icKNLV48I/AAAAAAAAALk/JGVVbKpl54I/s800/FeverOffTheLine.jpg)
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It's easy to tell that the first photo is from a "non-racing" day.....I see in my pocket(yellow jacket, yes Bob a Kiwi Husky) a bottle of Jameson's and on the spare wheel another of Austin Nicholl's finest.....yikes!
That fourth shot of the tail is a beauty.
DrG
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Is this de Stoop the next
Burt Munro, or what........?
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Is this de Stoop the next
Burt Munro, or what........?
I think maybe........I just spoke to Brett and he's all in a lather about this thread. He won't be signing up as a forum member because he isn't that up with the computer thing and "barely has the time". Brett would like to stress that his bike and his involvement in the sport are for his enjoyment and he feels very short on the competitive aspect that seems to abound at the sharp end of bike records. Personal tragedy has been a strong motivation in his build and he recognizes and would like to highlight that he is racing a vintage configuration and he is competing against himself, the achievements are part of the whole package that includes the effort and thought he has put in, but most of all he would like to express that "it's all a laugh, it's all fun"....despite the appearance Brett is a humble guy and feels particularly that he lacks the ego and inherent drive that motivates many others to strive, ride and succeed.
When photo's become available I will write a more detailed account of the process from the early frame and body through the casting process and the home built dyno, it's one "hail" of a story. For now Brett is happy to be at least one step away from the publicity, he already feels a bit weird about the article in his local paper.......
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hey Doc
tell Brett to chill out....nobody on here is compairing or competing against Brett.... Guthrie only mouthed off to bring attention to himself about a record that only exist in Scott Guthrie's head.... there is no "fastest 2 stroke" record... If there was, Guthrie set his right at 200 with a factory TZ750 racer that he paid someone else to build.!..... the fact that all of us realize is that Brett "built" a darn near 40year old lump of a fricken "STREET" bike and went over 230mph.!.... Tell Brett to suck it up and realize what everyone here on this forum realizes..... "HE HAS ONE HECK OF AN ACCOMPLISHMENT HE SHOULD BE PROUD OF"
Kent
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Doc,
I think I can speak for many on this site in that anything we say about Brett's bike and accomplishments is in pure awe of his effort. Truly a true "Bert Munroe" level of accomplishment and dedication.
Rex
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Na, there was nothing negative about what I was saying. But I was pointing out that Brett at this stage would rather stay at least one step removed from the public face.....It is an awesome achievement and a great story and if you meet Brett you'll agree he fits the "larger than life" description.
There are a lot of very very talented people in this game but what IS peculiar about LSR is the number of people who have experienced a significant event in their life that has made them think" f*** it , I'm going to do THIS" and then they devote a great deal of time and an obsessive effort to build and run something.....the bystanders think " gee , I wish I could do that"......the guy in question is thinkin..." sh** , this thing saved my life!"....and for a lot of people it's true.
When I spoke to Bretty this morning he went to pains to try and explain to me what he got out of it , why he started , what he felt motivated him and finally that he saw it as "art"......I sat there in near silence just adding "yep, yep, yep, yep......"
I'm pretty sure most of you "get" that......
BTW the way Brett is completely overawed that Scott Guthrie and Joe Amo have given him the thumbs up, but would like to point out that he ran the same speed as Leslie Porterfield....for whatever that's worth :-D
Thanks guys.
Dr G
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Yes, the little bicycle speedo on the dash read 235.
...okay, one last Brett The Man thing, then I'll shut-up. Early in a tour round the bike for any curious on-looker he points out the name on the side:
Walter Kaaden.
The facial expression intensifies, both hands fling towards the sun, the name sings out with an automated "...F**kin' Genius" glued on with a Deep Purple wall-of-guitar crescendo. If the on-looker isn't backing away slowly and dares to ask, there's a Wikipedia like oratory complete with tangential references to WW2 rockets, and the rise of Suzuki in 60s racing.
Walter Kaaden (1 September 1919 – 3 March 1996) was a German engineer who improved the performance of two-stroke engines by understanding the role of resonance waves in the exhaust system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Kaaden
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BTW the way Brett is completely overawed that Scott Guthrie and Joe Amo have given him the thumbs up, but would like to point out that he ran the same speed as Leslie Porterfield....for whatever that's worth :-D
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hehehe, good stuff there! :-D I'm late to this thread & would like to add my congratulations!
Whatever the reason that any of us does this, regardless of the goals and desire for or against "publicity" I think it's always nice to receive kudo's & acceptance from the greats of the sport as it is for the greats to offer it when it's deserved! Great to see all the pats on the back in this thread! I think it's awesome to once again see this level of achievement from an innovative rider/owner/builder. There's not that many of them out there doing it themselves and it helps keep the dream alive for the singleton amateur. Good for you and thanks for letting us be a part of it from the sidelines!
Debbie
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BTW the way Brett is completely overawed that Scott Guthrie and Joe Amo
have given him the thumbs up, but would like to point out that he ran the
same speed as Leslie Porterfield....for whatever that's worth :-D
Thanks guys.
Dr G
I can't speak for Leslie or Joe, but in my case, it is thrilling
to see a young man succeed so well in his "first attempt."
We can only wonder what good things will come over the next few years
if Mr. de Stoop continues this sport as a career.
I'm thinking that Brett shows the sort of innovative thinking,
and constructor's zeal that is often lacking these days,
and that his efforts bring a real smile to true racer's faces.
We all have our personal reasons for Land Speed Racing,
and sometimes we aren't even sure of our own reasons.
For some, it's to prove an idea that others have ignored.
For some, it's to prove they have a better idea.
For some, it's just for the sheer joy of a job well done.
For some, it's just the exhilaration of going fast.
Let’s hope that Brett, for one reason or another,
will find that our sport has called to him, and
he will know that he has found a home here.
Welcome, Brett !
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Of course, Brett's achievement is incredible.
I have no idea how much he is trained in aerodynamic. He done on this a great job.
What I tried to say in my earlier writing - and may be couldn't understand in the right way, due to my short English -
Aerodynamic is a pack of tricks, especially on a motorcycle - which is from his base a brick in the air....
I think it was bak who wrote something about long tail.....a long tail on a motorcycle is a big advantage for the aerodynamic...but only than....when your front is aerodynamic, too.
Different to a four wheeler....if the front from bike is not right.....you create a very bad handling issue.....which will increase in a progressive curve as longer the tail is........in other words.....in this moment the bike will be all over the place.
To the two bikes - Joe's and Brett's.
For a not trained (aerodynamic) eye they looks very similar and therefore very aerodynamic....
On a bike in this speed range they run, every small aero mistake hurts the aerodynamic function.
And there is Brett's bike in a disadvantage to Joe's.....it got some small mistakes which breaks him and create this "suck" effect.
Unfortunately it needs some experience to see this troublemakers...thanks here to Jon (Amo)....he went through this aero issues over the years....so he could confirm my opinion.
But for Brett - his first attempt is a very good base - some minor changes would give him 10 mph.....
Wish him all the best - and he is really working in Burt Munro spirit.
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First off, congrats to Brett, and his tremendous accomplishment.
:cheers:
As I read this thread (there has been some very nice responses), I cant help but think that Munro ssemed to be so far ahead of his time with his aero wirk.. and that I always think a bit about the Munro liner, when I look at the back ends, of Breet and Jons bikes...
I hope Brett can make it to Utah sometime...
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Ok, here's some shots from Frank Kletschkus..........there are lots of shots here (including a pile of our lakester) if you go back a few steps but the link takes you straight to the ones of Brett at this years meet.....
http://twixt-two-wheels.jalbum.net/Brett%20De%20Stoop/
hope ya dig 'em,
In the meantime a longer story on this thread on Brett will have to wait as I a teaming up with another photographer to write a piece , it will end up here in one form or another but it will be a while.
Dr G
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Great photos..thanks for posting them.
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Very nice photos :cheers:
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+3 great pics :cheers:
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Outstanding pics.........many thanks for posting them....................................................................
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Just found this thread, as a huge fan of the Water Bottle this is absolutley amazing. It looks like the tach is set at nine grand, YIKES! As so many have already said here this gentleman truely embodies the spirt of land speed racing, good luck !!!!!!!
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Had a look at the pictures.... NICE really NICE....
Blue is my colour!!! :wink:
Smoking!!! 232MPH :-o on a old school, hand made bike... :mrgreen: Crazzzzy.... Totally dig it..
So is this guys single or what??
:cheers:
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The meaning of life is not going to be found on a piece of paper written by someone else and hidden under a rock. We only find it by giving meaning to life from inside ourselves.
Great story. Great photos. And a real decent accomplishment.
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Had a look at the pictures.... NICE really NICE....
Blue is my colour!!! :wink:
Smoking!!! 232MPH :-o on a old school, hand made bike... :mrgreen: Crazzzzy.... Totally dig it..
So is this guys single or what??
:cheers:
What do you think this is, a dating service :evil:
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I don't know. I heard some fast women hung around here.
Stan
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Had a look at the pictures.... NICE really NICE....
Blue is my colour!!! :wink:
Smoking!!! 232MPH :-o on a old school, hand made bike... :mrgreen: Crazzzzy.... Totally dig it..
So is this guys single or what??
:cheers:
I'm flying up to see Brett in a few days for the purposes of writing a story....all I can say is it's gonna be funny seeing his reaction when I tell him about this post...I might have to take the taser. :roll:
When I spoke to a mate who'd been on the phone to him he said that Brett was currently setting up the molds to cast some new carbies.....yes, you heard that right..... setting up the molds to cast some new CARBURETORS....
Somewhere far away in back yard shed in a galaxy on the western edge of Sydney ...................
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His tripple carbs beat my pair of weights :-D
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Gday landracers this is my first post.This Brett Destoop is a funky mother f***er he has single handedly brought back the 1970's. 232mph on a 40 odd year old bike that had top speed of 104mph and 14.1sec quarter mile according to cycle world 1973 test on GT 750 J using nothing but crap lying round the shed is totally hilarious.I am sure you would all love this guy and his shed,there is even a couple of my bikes laying around there that brett nicked the wheels off my RGV to put on his waterbottle salt flat racer.
check out http://www.bikeexif.com/speedweek (http://www.bikeexif.com/speedweek)
oh also this guy is single girls lol
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So, KillaRR -- where are you? We can sorta assume you're in the Aussie part of the world -- but please tell us so we know more about you. When you registered for the Forum you were offered a personal items page -- and we like knowing as much as we can about the folks on the Forum -- so please consider letting us know where you are, maybe how old you are, and even (gasp) a real name. My posts are listed as from Seldom Seen Slim -- but my full "real" name is given, too.
Whatever you decide to do -- welcome to the Forum. Did Brett give your wheels back to you?
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So, KillaRR -- where are you? We can sorta assume you're in the Aussie part of the world -- but please tell us so we know more about you. When you registered for the Forum you were offered a personal items page -- and we like knowing as much as we can about the folks on the Forum -- so please consider letting us know where you are, maybe how old you are, and even (gasp) a real name. My posts are listed as from Seldom Seen Slim -- but my full "real" name is given, too.
Whatever you decide to do -- welcome to the Forum. Did Brett give your wheels back to you?
im in sydney near brett,im his best mate,and one of two of his friends who get to listen to brett chat to us for hours on a regular basis about,saltflat racing,2 strokes,aero dynamics,reed valves,casting barrels,the list goes on and on.
oh and the wheels he used i just found out are back on my little RGV and he has some other wheels on the waterbottle now.
I keep some of my bike stuff in his shed,although i dont race on saltflats,i am intersted in all motorsport and in engineering,and brett has the most complete knowledge and understanding of these topics out of anyone i have ever met.
Years ago i learnt to ride on bretts bikes and a long term addiction to riding developed,and i have a passion for stuntriding,which brett is amused at the culture behind and the desire to,wheelie ,burnout,and stoppie a motorcycle,and not try to ride at 230 MPH lol
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im in sydney near brett,im his best mate,and one of two of his friends who get to listen to brett chat to us for hours on a regular basis about,saltflat racing,2 strokes,aero dynamics,reed valves,casting barrels,the list goes on and on.
oh and the wheels he used i just found out are back on my little RGV and he has some other wheels on the waterbottle now.
I keep some of my bike stuff in his shed,although i dont race on saltflats,i am intersted in all motorsport and in engineering,and brett has the most complete knowledge and understanding of these topics out of anyone i have ever met.
Years ago i learnt to ride on bretts bikes and a long term addiction to riding developed,and i have a passion for stuntriding,which brett is amused at the culture behind and the desire to,wheelie ,burnout,and stoppie a motorcycle,and not try to ride at 230 MPH lol
Hey peoples ,Killa ain't exagerating, not a bit.Simon and I had a great time out there.there seems to be about 15 or so complete waterbottles there and who knows how many dismantled motors ....Brett is , as Killa says, in posession of a bewildering knowledge and understanding of the 2 stroke.....if we were talking about bicycles here most everyone would be putting streamers in the end of the handlebars and pegging pieces of cardboard in the spokes whereas Brettie is building a better bike....time after time I felt like I had been smashed in the head with information.....looking at his casting rig and hearing him talk about his consolidation of the process to streamline and improve the process was just plain astonishing..........good bloke too.
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there is even a couple of my bikes laying around there
Was that your hibiscus pink Kettle on his dyno?........whoever it belonged to it was a time machine,looked brand new....back wheel could go a respoke though.
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Pics! Pics!! Pics!!! :-D :evil:
Or do I have to wait and buy a magazine! :-P
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Pics! Pics!! Pics!!! :-D :evil:
Or do I have to wait and buy a magazine! :-P
I didn't take my own camera....there was a real photographer there, in those situations it's bit intimidating....... I wish I had taken one just for my own purposes..... just so I could, er, whip out the pea-shooter while he was firing the artillery piece..... Ive seen the rushes of his shots, there are some beauties.
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Hey Guys im new here but been reading for a while :-D
Ive got a short vid of Brett from this years DLRA meet.
(http://vid701.photobucket.com/albums/ww12/Last_Minute_Racing/th_DSCF1052.jpg) (http://s701.photobucket.com/albums/ww12/Last_Minute_Racing/?action=view¤t=DSCF1052.flv)
Its was taken on Thursday on the GPS course.
Thanx
Dave
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Mate! Finally something with a little sound! Anybody catch anything on the top end??
Brett's lookin a little Burt-ish without the blow-up's. Congrats mate.
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Dr G
You should have announced your visit to Sydney. You would have gone past Big Gaz's place to go to Maralya. I'm sure he would have opened the shed to you as well.
Lynchy
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Hey Guys im new here but been reading for a while :-D
Ive got a short vid of Brett from this years DLRA meet.
(http://vid701.photobucket.com/albums/ww12/Last_Minute_Racing/th_DSCF1052.jpg) (http://s701.photobucket.com/albums/ww12/Last_Minute_Racing/?action=view¤t=DSCF1052.flv)
Its was taken on Thursday on the GPS course.
Thanx
Dave
just in case anyone is wondering the 232 was set on the long course not the GPS course......
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Just got word the other day that the article we puty together about Brettie and his exploits will be published in Two Wheels magazine the biggest bike mag here. They also want a sequel after Speedweek 2011.
I spoke to him to let him know , he's been quiet on the work front because the drought is over and Brett's crust is carting drinking water.....in the meantime he's been repainting his Camaro, blue and white of course :roll: :roll:
Just to refresh your mamaries..hang on , sorry , memories here's a link to the site of Simon Davidson with whom I put the article together....
http://www.bikeexif.com/speedweek
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OK ...here's a story about Brett...a similar story has recently appeared in a local magazine
The World’s Fastest Waterbottle .
Brett de Stoop lives on the outer edge of Sydney, and orbits in the fringe of the motorcycle community . His one obsession is ultimate speed on the salt flats with his two-stroke three cylinder Suzuki’s. For the past five years he has worked non stop on development taking them from a memorable 35 year old road-bike to world record standard 232mph with largely his own ingenuity and back-yard work-shop.
What I most remembered about Brett from the first time I met him five years ago was something he said when we were talking about his bike and designing and building salt racing stuff.
"When I'm in the shed, you know, welding , it's like a peace, away from all the other stuff that gets into your head, and, it keeps me sane"; this, was all accompanied by hand motions as if he was washing his hair.
Brett was a tall hyperactive guy who always seemed to have at least two sentences on the go at once and was an accomplished gesticulator,he was kind of un-nerving, too much. And he was filthy, but under that he was a sharp looking piece of work in his blue and white leathers , mirror sunglasses , crew-cut and tan. We were out on the huge expanse of the salt pan that is Lake Gairdner where the Dry Lake Racers of Australia hold their annual Speedweek, the only organized salt lake racing event outside Bonneville in the U.S.
Brett had a bike with him that could only be described as a Frankenstein-like home built monster of, by and large, his own creation. Based on a Suzuki GT750 from the early seventies, Brett had up-scaled the motor and swathed it in an aluminium fairing and where it went wanting in the fit, finish and finesse, it shouted at anyone with working senses that it was here to do business, big business.
In historic terms the bike was a curio, known as a “Water-bottle” a water-cooled two stroke from the decade of flairs and sideburns, but there was an intangible attraction here…..Brett wasn’t a “restorer” and it was obvious he wasn’t just a mechanic. There was some hidden source of power here, some sort of mystery, he wasn’t just mad, or weird. He was driven.
It was Steve Barnett, another Waterbottle fan and owner who convinced Brett to go to Lake Gairdner and it was he who said to me in revered tones in 2006 “ that bike looks rough but when he gets it sorted out it’s going to go really, really fast. It makes tons of power and Brett, despite appearances, really knows what he’s talking about ”. When he said “despite appearances”, Steve was alluding to the point that Brett defied the usual quiet engineer type and seemed much more the barnstormer- as it turns out , that was the only part that wasn’t real.
It became obvious that Brett had gone down deeper than most when it came to his motor, the term “engine-builder” really refers to people who “assemble” engines Brett had actually built his. He’d made his own home foundry, despite advice that it wouldn't work and that it was way out of the capability of a "backyarder". Brett left school after year nine , he did a motor mechanics apprenticeship under his dad , but as far as formal training goes, that was pretty much it.
What drove Brett wasn’t ambition or ego , it was the violent death of his brother Rick two years older than he in 1997. A bodybuilder, Rick had been a Bandido’s member. One of the more notorious bike clubs in the country the Bandidos had figured in some of the most violent episodes of bike gang warfare , most notably the 1984 “Milperra Massacre” a hotel car-park shootout between the newly formed Bandidos and the Comancheros with whom they had recently split, seven people including a fourteen year girl were killed. Rick de Stoop was a bodyguard for Michael Kulakowski the national president. A vicious feud had broken out with the Rebels after allegations that Kulakowski was sleeping with the girlfriend of one of their members. In the basement of the Blackmarket nightclub on the 9th of November 1997 the two, along with the Bandidos Sergeant at Arms Sasha Milenkovic were shot dead at close range.
That bike I had first seen at Lake Gairdner was part therapy and part tribute , therapy for the terrible loss and grief but at the same time an ongoing and evolving monument to his brother who had been cut short. A mute object that he could fuss over and develop, and use to shut out the outside world. Still ,others reached in, Brett and his wife had three sons while others were attracted to this intense, obsessive guy who seemed to have a natural understanding of what made two-strokes go. John Scholar was a valuable counsel to Brett after his brother’s death but fittingly was a skilled engineer and taught Brett much of what he needed to bring his ideas to fruition, another, Jeff Clatworthy gave him the cam piston grinder he uses to finish the pistons the foundry forges for him and which he then machines at home.
In his first year at the lake Brett took the bike to 164.024 miles per hour which in the class was a record. Brett described how the bike began to weave at around 150 mph, the problem seemed to be cured by throttling on a little harder and then stopped at around 160mph but then returned with a vengeance as the bike decelerated which he then had to manage without the benefit of the throttle. The water tank Brett had built into the tail, he decided, was much to blame for this handling trait, and would be one of the first changes that would be made in the forthcoming year.
The following year, 2007, was marred by rain and the meet was cancelled just days before it was due to begin. Many of the racers were either already there or in transit so communication problems and a plain lack of contact details meant that many continued on toward the already cancelled event. Brett was one of them. He’d worked on the bike throughout the year and dragged it halfway across the country, only to find he’d done it in vain. He’d have to go home and wait for another year, with the questions of whether he’d improved his design unanswered as there is nowhere else to test something that is designed to run over seven miles at four times the legal speed limit.
Stories abound , and one that was heard was someone who’d taken a bike to the cancelled meet had stopped off somewhere in the Riverland, possibly Waikerie on their way back to Sydney where they’d seen an abandoned airstrip. As the story goes, after a couple of warm-up runs the rider gave the bike a proper wrist-full pushing it past 170mph, and then with the end of the strip fast approaching made a failed attempt to pull it up before running off the end of the strip, finding a drain and somersaulting off the bike, breaking a collar-bone . Unable to load the bike back into the trailer with just his father-in- law with him, the owner had then found a nearby pub and after getting to know some locals, enlisted them to head out to the illicit test strip and help them load the bike before returning to Sydney , non-stop, arm in a sling.
With some damage to the all aluminium body-work Brett had to make repairs . He soon realised, as with many facets of the bike, that he was wasting his time making repairs and slight modifications to something that he knew could be a whole lot better. Using the old body work as a “plug” Brett made some broad-scale improvements to its aerodynamic shape and created rigid fibreglass moulds of the body after smoothing and filling it with clay and polyester filler. He then cast a new body in fibreglass. This time he had the basic body, much smoother and better fitting than he’d had before with which he could trial a tail fin or if he damaged it again, simply cast another piece. This fitted with Brett’s contention that too many people waste their time “tinkering”, when they should step up to produce their own repeatable version that allows them to make an inherent break from the built-in limitations of something designed for economical mass-production. It was this moment that Brett had made the step that would lead to the real heart of his bike’s story, making his own motor.
Again in 2008, the Dry Lake Racers of Australia Speedweek was cancelled due to the condition of the salt at Lake Gairdner.
The motor that Brett had in the bike in 2006 was a heavily modified one. He had machined new sleeves from centrifugally cast stock to give him the bore he need for 1000cc, he had used epoxy to reshape the ports and upped the size of the Mikuni round slide carburettors from 40 to 42.5 mm throats but there were physical limitations to the architecture of the early seventies design, some economic, some limited by the current knowledge of the time.
Brett knew that in order to achieve his grander plan he had to free himself of two things, the physical limitations of the motor as built by Suzuki and also the 35 year old design and size of the ports. There was only one way to do it and that was to build his own larger, better flowing example which he could bolt to the standard crankcase. Producing a three dimensional cast object with internal passages and critical tolerances is a somewhat bigger undertaking than making fibreglass panels, about a million times bigger.
Brett went to a local foundry and the guy he spoke to said…
“Mate, golf is a hobby, this is not a hobby. You won’t be able to do it, you wont be able to get the cooling rates right, the metal will be junk, it won’t work. You won’t be able to stress-relieve the casting properly, you’ll be wasting your time”.
First Brett used the block he had already modified for the 06 motor, sawing it and widening it, bulking it, smoothing it and adding to it just the way he had with the aluminium bodywork. He built a 3D model of the space in the ports and water passages before casting it so as to be able to make the sand moulds he need for the casting process. There are dozens and dozens of moulds in the workshop each for a separate piece that will be formed from sand and epoxy to then be placed within the casting box to create the intake, exhaust and water-cooling passages , just to see all these pieces and imagine the complexity of assembling them let alone dreaming them up is truly bewildering. Brett built two ovens, a small one he could use to melt aluminium and a larger one big enough to do the reheat and gradual cooling necessary for the curing/stress relieving process after the initial casting. The larger one is also big enough to perform heat treatments on entire exhausts and frames after welding.
Brett managed to streamline the design /pattern-making/casting process by eliminating some of the steps which are used to formalise the relationship between the three disciplines “ I was doing it all myself, so I could afford to skip some of the steps they normally use. He poured the casting “upside down” and varied the holes through which the molten aluminium flowed to regulate the rate at which it cooled maintaining a large “jug” of metal above the casting to slow the freeze rate. The very first effort had some bubbles in it and the metal failed to make its way through the entire casting box but from the next example on he was in business. He took the block to the foundry, not to say “ I told you so” but to show them that he was capable and that he wanted more help and more advice, he now counts his former doubter as a close friend and number one fan.
Brett’s number two fan is his next door neighbour who turned up one day after trying to enjoy a beer with his mates only to have Brett ruin it by running tests of the race bike on his home built dynamometer. A dyno is a machine to measure the power and torque of a motor under load, the absolute figures aren’t so important as its repeatability, the point being it allows the operator to make adjustments and compare them and improve the motor in the process. When Brett’s neighbour arrived he saw Brett with the bike five feet off the ground , the back wheel mounted on a roller and a long handle operating disc brake on that roller. Attached to the disc brake calliper was a strain gauge that measured the force required to slow the motor.
“What the hell are you doing?”…he was angry, the sound of a race bike engine doing “power runs”, and a two stroke at that is not the perfect backdrop to a quiet afternoon having a beer with your mates….Brett got the point and immediately downed tools and spent the next four days building in the walls of the shed, and sound-proofing them. The next time he saw his neighbour he was standing staring at the shed in wonderment. The dyno shed is now lined with silver foil covered insulation and hanging in the middle of it is a mirror ball. When I first saw it there was a hibiscus pink 73 Waterbottle sitting there and a multi-colored light shining on the mirror ball, Brett, was in his element, he insisted, “it’s the kids disco”.
It is simply “fun” as he says, theatre that he can perform in. He lights up even when describing what he likes about it, let alone the process itself. He loves to talk about the process and his ideas but is also at pains to explain that the flash and dash is just a way of packaging what he does- adding a little humour and making the event part, the actual riding, the record setting, a celebration of all the effort he has put in between times. Brett calls the bike “Salt Fever” and has a silhouette of John Travolta’s, “Tony Manero”, hand on hip, on the side of the bike…. Travolta’s character is the King of the Disco on Saturday nights where he escapes, momentarily, the reality and awkwardness of his day to day life.
Alongside the image of Tony Manero is the name Walter Kaaden emblazoned on the side of the fairing; he is Brett’s patron saint. Kaaden, an East German, is held to be the father of two stroke performance who had great success in Grand Prix despite his limited Eastern Bloc resources...It was Kaaden who realized the importance of the sonic waves created by the combustion process and their reflection in the filling and extraction of the combustion chamber
“The Japanese refused to take cues from Kaaden and continued to regard the two stroke as a pump, like a four stroke ,but the two stroke is a pulse jet with a piston in it, resonance is king” says Brett gaining momentum ,
“ he was a genius! He shook, no, he thought the whole thing up, the Japanese were just tinkering, small steps”.
Brett loves the Kaaden story because he was an underdog who , in the end, was let down by his rider Ernst Degner defecting and taking with him some critical parts. The authorities wouldn’t let Kaaden past the iron curtain and so his genius was largely buried , and his ideas developed by others. But if you ask Brett about Kaaden he lights up, pointing at the name on the bike and says” he, he, was a fucking GENIUS”
So, it was three years between Brett's debut and his return to Lake Gairdner. He arrived in 2009 with the new bodywork, but it was the new fully cast barrels, the basis of the bigger improved motor that he'd developed that was the significant step. I heard and saw Brett's fastest run during Speedweek that year from the pits. Radios are on everywhere and the starters’ instructions and responses from the timers are a constant background to the goings on during the week .We paused when we heard " Bike 509 , rider 509", from the starter and turned to watch and wait for Brettie to appear from the mirage to the west. We could hear the bike rasping up through the gears then see it as a dot bouncing against the bright background before it took form and joined with its sound around the two-mile mark. It would have been at about the three mile mark when the bike sounded fully on song with the revs rising that we got the feeling that this was going to be good; little did we know.
He ran 210.169 mph, an astounding speed, he was jubilant and held court on his return replaying the run and the problem he'd had where he could tuck so the bike would accelerate but couldn't see with his head down.
It was after the 2009 meet that Brett went after the bugs that he knew were in the frame . Once again he wanted the fight the real fight, not a skirmish, not tinker but tackle the problems with a purpose built solution. The steering angles. referred to as the rake and trail are fixed on frames but are critical factors that influence high speed handling. Brett used the lower frame rail from the standard Waterbottle and built a more rigid example that fitted his requirements but also incorporated a brilliant method of adjusting the rake and trail independent of one another, the frame isn't just functional, it is beautiful too.The handling problems were gone, not based on a hunch, not hearsay but careful consideration of the knowns and a basic but scientific approach.He does however still have the “hot-rodders heart” and points to the decal on his bike for the “Club Animal NAC200+ Club” which he explains as the Naturally Aspirated Carbureted Club , referring to the fact that he is running no turbo-charging and no fuel injection….”just the old stuff”.
The DLRA’s 2010 Speedweek ended on Friday the 12th of March and one of the last people to run was Brett de Stoop, he ran 232 miles per hour on his home built Waterbottle in Altered Partial Streamlined Fuel class , nearly 15 mph faster than anyone had gone in that class before.The world standard is administered by the Federation International Motorcycle , they charge a fee and provide officials to supervise record attempts which are run over a course in opposite directions within a two hour period. In August 2004 an R1 Yamaha from Scott Guthrie Racing ran 215.353mph at Bonneville, the FIM have been to Lake Gairdner before but Brett’s was a one way run and thus to many isn’t a “real” record, but the potential is there. Accolades flowed from experienced riders and competitors and Brett was exuberant but eager to point out that he was far from finished.
Two stroke motors benefit from a long stroke counter to the “oversquare“ four stroke motor , Brett’s motor has a bore of 82mm which as he says is really ideal for a motor in the region of 1500cc, not 1000, thus he says the groundwork has been laid for him to head in both directions capacity wise , he hopes to build a 750 ,1350 and 1500cc versions to run in respective classes .He’s not kidding when he says “ I’ve still got lots of work to do”
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......simply in awe...!!!
Joe :)
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My GOOD Dr. Goggles , Sir. !!
That is a mighty fine piece of prose. :cheers:
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Excellent write up! Thanks for posting it :cheers:
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Great article and a truly awesome bike. We used to call them Water Buffalo's.
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A fine read about a great guy and his work. Thanks for posting it for all of us to enjoy - and learn.
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:wink:
:cheers:
So when will the screen play be finished?
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WOW. :cheers:
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:cheers: I gesticulate with applause! What a wonderful write-up! Thank you Dr. G.... Crow. LFFL
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I saw a bloke gesticulating one time up in Toowoomba, vegimite n beer mate, getcha every time.
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you mean Ges-stuck-you-latung dontcha bro'?.............. :mrgreen:
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Geez no, I thort that wiz victorian for technoculla yorn. Maybe I need to kum back n git sum learnin!
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Forgive them. They come from an
˙pןɹoʍ uʍop ǝpısdn
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I got a call last night, It was Brett.
Brett is an energetic character, and not what anyone would call the retiring type. He's very excited about the bike for this year, I was on the hands free so the sound was poor and I missed the specifics of some of what he said.
This year he has even better ports, a six bearing crank and the head bolts go all the way through the crank-case. "It's a strong bit of gear" he said......." I could run rocket fuel in it"
And it's 1300cc
....it's the big-block I mentioned in the article at the start of this topic..... So what's he gonna do this year...... who knows, but I'm one of no-doubt more than a few who can't wait to find out..........
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A 1300 cc triple two stroke!! There cannot be a single piece of the original Suzuki left except a name plate! Maybe!! That has got to be an awesome thing to hear. As I said before this guy is haunted by Bert Munroe.
Rex
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And more than a little bit loopy :-D
G
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I dont think any of us could be called "normal", just varying stages of insane.
Is he looking to run up here or staying down there running on the "good salt"??
Sid.
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I spoke to him a couple of weeks ago and he said he was thinking about Bonneville
G
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There's some video (with sound) of one of Brett's 2010 runs here at 6:45, not that the rest of the video isn't worth a look.
http://youtu.be/RHOG1j2BocU
31 days but who's counting...
Cheers,
Rob
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Go Brett de Stoop!!!! Best of luck with the new engine.
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That is great. A lot of original thinking. Good luck to all of you this year.
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At Speedweek i spoke with a Tom Spencer from A- Team Environmental in salt lake city .He was really quite taken with the story of brett and expressed an interest in raising some money to get the bike to bonneville . I have not had a reply from him since and will try again soon , and will run all this by brett when i see him at our meet soon .
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I intend coming back with several others already expressing interest in bringing bikes too and there will be room for Brett if he wants.
tried to interest him 2 yrs ago but he has work conflicts at that time of year , hope he can make the time this year
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Stand by for news.
I will be checking the details with those who saw the actual crash but for now I will tell you this.
Brett de Stoop clocked a mile at 240mph+ then lost control after catching the wind during a missed shift, he left the course and dropped the bike skidding the best part of a mile in it then several hundred yards after separating.
Brett was conscious when the ambulance arrived , he has a swollen hand with a burn/graze on that forearm, he also has a friction burn on his back just below his neck.
We stayed at Port Pirie at Steve Finn's house with him after the meet and although still quite disorientated he was capable of walking , talking, and making plans. The next morning Brett insisted on opening the trailer and pouring some oil through the carbs of the bike to crank it over. From what he saw the engine is undamaged, there was surprisingly little damage to the fairing, I didn't look closely at the frame although it appears that it received a heavy hit to the top clamp area.
Brett had had a few nights without sleep to get to the lake and had also done a complete gearbox rebuild during the meet, we are very , very glad he is OK as he is the real deal, an inspiration to all of us.
There was of course a suspicion he pulled it as a stunt so he didn't have to clean up his pit.........a big up to Nigel and Warren who worked with, helped, and mopped up after our favorite two-stroke Titan.........
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It is nice to hear that he is doing OK. "OK" is a relative term... It could have easily been worse.
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Brett is definitely the luckiest man alive.
When talking with him after his off he said he had trouble getting the bike into the next gear and in pushing down on the lever he inadvertently lifted his head/chest into the air stream, was wrenched upright and then had his left hand torn from the bars whilst trying to pull himself back down. The bike got a wobble up and went down. Brett stayed with the bike for round 300 metres before they parted company (eye witness reports) then got bumped around a bit including a knock to the helmet. No broken bones and only a possible concusion.
He said he could pull himself back down onto the tank at 200 but no way at 240, it just overcame his strength.
To my mind he doesn't need to buy any tickets, he won the lottery on Friday.
Glad you're aok Brett!
Rob
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That's great news that Brett suffered only minor injuries.
His accomplishments inspire the rest of us! :cheers:
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I have just read this entire post and all the comments about Brett. I have just spent the last 9 days on what seems to be the ultimate magical mystery tour with Brett. What Dr Goggles has stated in the previous posts was correct he is the most level headed person in such a zanny world of Land Speed Racing. We had highs and lows on this years 2013 Speed week on Lake Gairdner. From the 5 flat tyres on the whole trip(3300km round trip) to shopping in every town we stopped at for parts and supplies that he forgot because he was making his new expansion chamber pipes for the bike or repairing his kids mini bikes. Even at 2 am in the morning when we realise that we drove 100 km past the turn of for the lake we were still enjoying ourselves. (this lake is huge and we still missed it)
The entertainer came out in Brett even in the ambulance when he was getting checked out. Someone handed me his Aviator styled glasses that survived the crash, i passed them to him and it was like a flash back to Happy Days......heeeeyyyyyy say Brett(Fonzareli) De Stoop
He is lucky he felt like he was in a "pub brawl" with 3 bikies, a few bits of skin removed (more mods to the new leathers)
Animal watched the whole incident for himself as he was watching Bretts run from the Club Animal bus, i will let Animal describe what he saw for himself in the future.
The trip home was an entertaing one as Brett was in no condition to drive for the first 48 hours. I even told him he is in the league of Bert Munro, he got all shy and didnt want to agree with me.
We got talking on the trip and have already laid out future improvements to his bike so watch this space and remember that Brett is as real as you and I, if you want a good laugh just say Hi and enjoy the ride as i did this year and will do for many years in the future. And if you want a bigger laugh wear your funny hat. He will love it.
Nigel
LSR202
NAC 300+ here we come
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Salt Fever began SpeedWeek 2013 with problems. Brett wired a water pump sensor to the tachometer. If the tacho dies and the engine is running it means the water system is faulty. The tacho died during a run and he buttoned-off to save the motor.
An inspection revealed nothing wrong with the water pump and hoses, has to be electrical. An ingenious fault tracing device appears, he calls it "Suzuki Simulator." A home handyman power drill sporting an aluminium cylinder stuck to a drill bit, a bracket attached to the drill handle holds a stator pick-up close to the marked-up aluminium cylinder. Wires trail from the pick-up and Brett gets busy plugging them into the loom. With the drill running the electrical system thinks the motor is turning over. Brett can plug and play and work out which section of cabling isn’t functioning.
Salt Fever goes out to shake some moves.
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...only to return with gearbox problems. A spare box from an old bike is dragged out, a complete unknown, packed because an air shifter was fitted for this year’s SpeedWeek, another unknown and Brett wasn’t comfortable using it... so he didn’t.
Draining the box into a bucket, shiny pieces of shrapnel sparkled like diamonds in the sun. The second gear cog was in three pieces.
An all-nighter to swap-out the gearbox was fueled on caffeine and borrowed cigarettes (Brett doesn’t smoke). Like all special construction machines, replacing major components is time consuming and frustrating.
Bretty does a shake-down pass on the short GPS time track and snaps a throttle cable. Easy fix and tweak a few things, join the Spirit of Sunshine in line for Friday morning... last day of SpeedWeek 2013.
Two mile entry is announced "240MPH..." followed a second later by "RIDER DOWN... RIDER DOWN." We drop what we’re doing and wait for information, straining to see safety car dots in the hazy distance.
He’s in one piece!
Here’s the run-crash story recited in animated detail at the annual Waterbottle Tribe gathering on Saturday morning.
Into the timing sector and top gear didn’t grab properly, another attempt to stab the shifter. Uh-oh, his hand slipped on the throttle forcing an elbow into the wall of air Salt Fever was busting through, Brett’s arm flung back over his head forcing shoulder and helmet to come up and punch into the drag... the beginning of the end.
Brett’s upper body becomes a parachute and the front wheel lifted... at 240 miles an hour. With gym-workout strength - and our story now animated by: Incredible Hulk pose, contorted face, and Hollywood roar sound effects - Brett screams and tries to pull forward against the wall of air.
At this point a dreamy cloud descends and the world slowed. "I’m f@#ked... oh there’s Heaven, let’s go for a walk." the last remembered thoughts.
Back of the Ambulance.
Ambo: "What day is it?"
Brett: "...ahh...Monday."
Ambo: "Nah Mate, it’s Friday."
The week floods back as the mind engages with a snap.
Port Pirie, Friday night.
Brett was sleeping like a baby when the Spirit of Sunshine crew arrived at Steve Finn’s place for the annual Waterbottle Tribe gathering. Steve’s place is a welcomed relief coming from a week in the red-hot desert at Lake Gairdner: pool, spa, place to crash in the shed between a collection of Suzuki bikes.
Pizza, beer, on the big screen: Steve McQueen in Bullet. SpeedWeek analysis and opinionated debate till 1:00AM. All going on loudly around sleeping Brett... didn’t even wake up for the famous car chase scene.
It’s just getting light when I wake up and peer over the wheel of a Suzuki. In one hand Brett has a half-eaten slice of pizza, in the other a can of beer. "There’s ants all over this pizza" he grumbles and moves toward the shed door with a stiff movement.
Over coffee and toast we're persuaded to unpack Salt Fever so he can put oil down the pots... in case salt made it inside the screaming two-stroke. It’s hard to stop him using the swollen paw with a salt rash on the wrist.
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There’s another rash at the back of his neck and bruising around the hips. That’s an incredibly lucky escape for a 240 MPH exit of a sit-on bike, a rare accident. We’re grateful to have our mate in one piece and look forward to being annoyed by his antics at many more SpeedWeeks.
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As Doctor Goggles told him "...that’s eight you’ve got left."
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Glad to hear he is OK......ready to ride again......
Now there a man who could use a air and/or elec. shifter.................................
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Great story, well told, about a pretty tough bastard.
You're becoming a chapter in the history books here Brett! :cheers:
Sid.
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You bike guys are f'in nuts... :-o :-D
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There seems to be something inherently wrong with a design that wraps the driver around the outside of a vehicle.... :-P
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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There seems to be something inherently wrong with a design that wraps the driver around the outside of a vehicle.... tongue
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
Yes, and there's a can of worms debate with this one.
Infinitely more survivable if this were a caged streamline bike, vs. it's a sit on bike as god intended them to be: open and free.
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Lying in bed last night mulling the recent ups and downs of Speedweek in Aus, It struck me just how lucky Brett was here, I mean going down the salt at 240! I guess staying with the bike is better in this case? Scrub off some speed and hope it doesn't flip into a tumble.
The abrasions look bad, but no broken bones, truly astonishing! Who made Bretts leathers?
Brett is an inspiration to the spirit of racing on the salt, but as others have said, I guess you have to be a bit loopy too!
Get well (healed) soon Brett :cheers:
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What kind of fancy wrappings/bandages are those? Looks like porkfat!?
Glad Brett is ok :cheers:
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nice write Pete,people,it's all true, not a word of that is exaggerated ...
Hey Trent, its a special speck dressing.
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Any landing that you walk away from is a good landing.
Joe
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Thanks for the updates Nigel,
I was standing next to Brett while he was buying some food from the Tucker Truck, and had to laugh when Brett asked for "one of those streamlined pies" , which was actually a pastie,,,
Here's a video of Brett leaving the line early in the week.
http://youtu.be/WjisUqV3808
Get well soon Brett
Tiny
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I'm not seeing fly gear -- the wind I hear -- is it keeping them away this year?
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Stan, the flies were still there,,the pits were located closer to the shore this year, so the flies could see us, some flew out to crawl down a few throats, garnish pies etc.
Fly gear is reserved for tourists, body odor repels them , or so they say,,,,,,,
Maybe they spied Goggs skidmarked nomex ?
Tiny
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This will make the flys more tollerable. Could be fun.
http://www.bugasalt.com/how/
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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I was horrified when I first heard of Brett's 240 mph off, and thoroughly relieved to hear he was okay shortly afterwards. Would it be fair to say Brett's recorded speed of 240.192, is Australia's fastest for a sit on motorcycle? His Bike was my outright favorite at the meet, it appealed to all of the senses... sensational work. :cheers:
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I was horrified when I first heard of Brett's 240 mph off, and thoroughly relieved to hear he was okay shortly afterwards. Would it be fair to say Brett's recorded speed of 240.192, is Australia's fastest for a sit on motorcycle? His Bike was my outright favorite at the meet, it appealed to all of the senses... sensational work. :cheers:
Yes Brett has the fastest recorded speed for a sit on bike at Gairdner, it was held by a Hayabusa and is not the only Non Hayabusa that holds a track record for a sit on bike anywhere in the world I am aware of. :cheers:
Congrats to Brett and his support crew, what he has done with his bodywork, building his own cylinders and running the great speeds has proven to show that perseverance pays off. :cheers:
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I dropped into Bretts place last night to pick up a few things from the trip to Speedweek, and to check on how he is recovering. He is in very good shape considering.
Brett did have the video footage downloaded to show me from the camera mounted to the bike that he set up for Speedweek 2013. I will say my heart was in my mouth.
We also unloaded the bike from the trailer. The damage is not so bad after looking at the bike. Now Brett can change the handle bars that were picked up in the scrutineering inspectection.
He is pumped to get back out there, so watch this space.
Nigel
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Isn't Joe Amo's 272 the fastest speed, for a sit on bike, at Bonneville?
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Isn't Joe Amo's 272 the fastest speed, for a sit on bike, at Bonneville?
So far the fastest bike Mile on the salt, hope to see Joe run this year.
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John, that is very generous of you in saluting Brent and his crew considering your own accomplishments on the salt.
I once accused you of needing a sidecar to haul your ego, but I think time mellows us out (or in your case maybe Marriage!), but either way (having never met you), I hereby appologize for my earlier statements and salute you for your humility and salutations towards fellow racers.
Now if I can just tame my own Ego and Aspirations......................
Bob :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
p.s. Anyone who rides a open bike at the speed you do definatley has "Big" Cajones ............ so maybe you should RACE A SIDECAR.............. :cheers:
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I have never gone as fast as jn. never will. have never ate lunch with him.
but, realizing , or recognizing, who he was at 1 of my first bubs meets ~~
I've got to say > he was very personable and down to earth. and very funny.
made me lol out loud. and also with that cell phone.
not a man with a puffy chest or a big head.
bill franey
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Years back in impound John spent a lot of time explaining things on the bike & what they did to my young son who was too shy to approach him and ask because it was the wrong place for it. He was just looking at the bike. Ego ?? Not my idea of ego and Ill never forget it. It was his first year at the salt {both of them}as far as I know. Maybe he grew one since but I doubt it. Heres to you John :cheers:
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I think you are right.
What I was implying had to do with John's post's a few years back that listed all of his records (on every post) and was meant in jest or maybe jealousy.
Hell, if I ever get even one record, I plan on having a plane fly over the course with a banner trailing behind professing my accomplishment!
One of the great things about most racers AND RECORD HOLDERS on the Salt is their willingness to share advice with others or in your case leave a life long impression on your Son and Yourself. Bob
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Franey said: "...not a man with a puffy chest or a big head."
Right. But photos of him do look like he's got a puffy head, don't they? So puffy that all of the hair fell out. :evil:
Love you, John & Michelle