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El Mirage => El Mirage General Chat => Topic started by: jwyer on April 30, 2009, 01:19:17 AM
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I have a tonneau cover for my 27T roadster, bought & paid for at Poliform, in Gridley CA, wherever that is. If any one is going to El Mirage 5/16, as I will be there, and it is VERY convenient, ie. you know where Gridley CA is, and are VERY close, it needs a ride. I haven't checked shipping, but I have heard that nowdays, it is outrageous. :cheers:
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Gridley is up by Chico CA.
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Is Dick Williams (Polyform) back in business? He was in Watsonville last I heard, but the telephone number was dis-connected some time back.
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Is Dick Williams (Polyform) back in business? He was in Watsonville last I heard, but the telephone number was dis-connected some time back.
He got tired of all the BS the city was giving him on his building and decided to move up north. He still checks his email from the web site or call him on the cell. Tony
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you may want to give Dave Davidson (811 fuel roadster) (511 street roadster) and the new (500 AA/BFR)a call ( vintage hot rod) he is in Chico 530-345-9369 he's in the rule book too
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Hey Mike,
Is that new roadster going to be at El Mirage this meet?
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Ryan, we hope to have it at the july meet, then bonneville. its coming along, we had to change the trans and make sure the KB fits were the big block chevy was. all worked out fine. see you at our meeting on Tue.
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I get him on his cell phone at 831 234 2574 :cheers:
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I tried to contact Dave Davidson at 530-345-9369, whoever answered the phone, twice, acted like I was speaking Klingon. It this the correct number ??
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that looks like the # try John Beck 530-892-9711 john is buzy mixing nitro as I speak I bet. he drinks the stuff too :cheers:
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3 more days 3more days :-D
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3 days to long.
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:-DCan't wait any longer! I'm outa here and headed for Elmo at 4 a.m. tomorrow morn! I'll camp down by Georges and enjoy a day or so of peace and quiet, (Ha!) C Uall at Elmo. Crow
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Don't forget Dave Cox is offering big bucks to deliver his disassembled Lotus 907 motor from my house in San Mateo to Georges house on the lake bed. Plus you get a 25cent tour of all the stuff parked around there. Call now.
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Rich, I'm comeing in from Aridzona. Wouldn't mind going to San Mateo, (I went to CSM) But I've got a full lod with the bike, camping gear and so on. Sorry I can't be of assistance. Crow
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The July issue of HRM has a great article on the BMR roadster driven by Fogie. 249 mph in a highboy in the dirt. Fastest ever on the lakes.
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Thanks anyway. Kind of out of the way from where your comming from.
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Glen ,thats cool I will have to get an issue. Lets see if they can do it agin, Fogie is my new hero, never knew Al teague, But he's always been in my top 5. Are you coming out Glen?
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Mike, coming down of Friday
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Mike --
You sure are fickle -- I thought I was your hero.
Stan
(Oh well, I'm my own hero anyway.)
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Stan you are in my top 10 sorry, Its a street roadster thing, hope you understand. Have you seen the roadster at Al"s ? I hope you have your roadster at Elmo this weekend. :cheers:
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Yeah
Yep
Yes
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Stan,
What is your starting line number?
Tom G.
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Tom --
Haven't run for 4 years . . . I'm guessing around 170 (or Tuesday).
Stan
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so you are running it? cool
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winds could be 10-12 mph ssw. How much wind does it take to shut down the course? :x
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10-12 is a nice breeze. It takes 20 mph across the course to shut it down. On the other hand, 50 mph down the course is JUST RIGHT. :-o
Forecast for the weekend.
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Aaah Dean, I new you had a weather report in ya. :cheers:
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It takes 20 mph across the course to shut it down.
Dean,
Where did you find that? I just looked in the EM procedures and could not find it. In the rule book it says 15 mph but that could be for Bonneville. Or does that appy to El Mirage also?
Tom G.
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Same for El Mirage, I have had to make that call a few times. Remember a tail wind turns into a cross wind when turning out. It has caused a few to spin in the turn out area, The driver should be aware of this condition.
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Same for El Mirage, I have had to make that call a few times. Remember a tail wind turns into a cross wind when turning out. It has caused a few to spin in the turn out area, The driver/rider should be aware of this condition.
Fixed it for you, Glen we look forward to seeing you at EL MO! Please stop by our pits if you have a moment, it will be the one with 3 cars and 3 bikes powered by Hayabusa Engines..and a Street Roadster, Rear Engine Modified and a Gas Roadster.. 8-) And a twin engined V-Twin..
Drive safe!
J
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Same for El Mirage,
Glen,
Thanks for the clarification.
Tom G.
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John, have fun with them go carts, or they called side by sides now LOL :-P just kidding, good luck this weekend.
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John, have fun with them go carts, or they called side by sides now LOL :-P just kidding, good luck this weekend.
If you are making it this weekend please stop by and say hello..there are many racers that I have not met and I would be honored to meet you. :cheers:
J
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Fixed it for you, Glen we look forward to seeing you at EL MO! Please stop by our pits if you have a moment, it will be the one with 3 cars and 3 bikes powered by Hayabusa Engines..and a Street Roadster, Rear Engine Modified and a Gas Roadster.. 8-) And a twin engined V-Twin..
Drive safe!
J
It looks as if you aren't too far away from being a one man El Mirage meet! :-)
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I hadn't considered the change from tail to cross... good notes.
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Thanks for the good wishes, John - and the same right back to you. I sort of lost count in your post above -- just how many 'Busa engines do you have in the fleet? 3 cars, 3 bikes, a twin-engine bike (not 'Busa engines, I expect, though)...makes for a heck of a lot of investment in Hayabusa parts. Ten years ago -- didja ever think you'd be running so many of 'em?
I sure hope to get the proddy bike over 200 this time. Weather looks good -- gentle tailwinds and not too much thunderstorm activity in the forecast.
Best wishes to everyone.
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Anyone posting on Friday?
What's the weather like and forecast for the weekend?
Man I can't wait to see all the cars in person that I read about here!
I'll be the guy taking a gazillion detail pics...hope people don't mind.
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one more hour and I'm on my way up there.
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Anyone posting on Friday?
What's the weather like and forecast for the weekend?
Man I can't wait to see all the cars in person that I read about here!
I'll be the guy taking a gazillion detail pics...hope people don't mind.
We won't if you post them! :cheers:
Mike
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Anyone posting on Friday?
What's the weather like and forecast for the weekend?
Here is the information for El Mirage that you asked for:
Tonight: Mostly clear, with a low around 60. East wind 5 to 10 mph becoming west.
Saturday: Sunny, with a high near 97. Calm wind becoming northeast between 5 and 10 mph.
Saturday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around 65. East wind between 5 and 10 mph becoming calm.
Sunday: Sunny, with a high near 99. South wind between 5 and 10 mph.
Tom G.
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Thx for the weather update...HOT and dry!
Leaving from Vegas about 6AM, don't start without us :-D
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It seems to me that we need reports from Elmo each event. Someone, get a card that allows you satellite access and post
your Pay Pal account name.
You will be pleasently surprised as to how many people would donate reasonable money to assist you for your costs and more
than likely a little profit, just to get a report even at the end of each day. Four result reports and some fotos would put you in
the headlines.
They made it work from Bville last year and they didn't even get paid. All that happened was people yelling at them because
sometimes they had to wait 40 seconds .
FREUD
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Freud,
Just got back from El Mirage. When I left at 1:30 pm it was 96 degrees, and the course was on hold because of wind. Most everyone I talked to said the course was very loose. Fast Freddie ran 252 which was fast time so far. When I got there around 8:00 am a few cars were in impound. When leaving the lake bed I got caught in a white out, that is how bad the dust was. All I could do is stop and put my headlights on. Lucky for me it only lasted a few minutes. I wish I could report more but that is all I have for now. Will try and go back out tomorrow.
Tom G.
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Thanks Tom. You're doing a good job of taking us there.
Pete
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Your welcome Pete.
Photo by Tom G.
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Photo by Tom G.
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Photo by Tom G.
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Photo by Tom G.
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Photo by Tom G. This will be the last one for now.
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Tom......... a great job.
Sorry you were blown out.
Loved the fotos.
FREUD
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Tom, thanks for the photos!
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You are more than welcome. Glad you enjoyed them. Since my car is on hold until this crazy economy settles down it is the least I can do.
Tom G.
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This is a brand new roadster, that ran for the first time.
Photo by Tom G.
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Photo by Tom G.
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There were 141 entries as of Saturday morning. Every driver/rider that came for a timing slip said there was no traction/I got sideways/I got sideways again . . .
Fast Freddy was on and off the throttle. There was a pretty long section were he was off the throttle. Still ran 252.
The weather was great until the wind came up. The forecast was for 10 mph winds. HAH. It peaked at about 22. The visibility at El Mirage starts with no wind in the morning and that creates a problem because the dust just hangs there. As soon as the breeze picks up the dust blows off pretty quick and the runs come pretty quick. The first 50 runs came in nothing flat. Wes thought we could do 200 runs. Ended up with 109 when the wind put an end to things.
I think there were only 5 or so records. Big thanks to the SCTA computer guys. The old setup had the timing slips printed from the finish line to the printer at the starting line. There would be a huge pile of slips that we would have to sort through to find your slip. If one didn't print we would have to request a reprint over the radio. Now there is a laptop and the records come through the network and we print them out as needed. Much better.
If you have never been to El Mirage this is what you are up against. The lake bed was under about 1-2" of water in December. That settles things out and makes it very flat. It drys out in weeks. The alkali dust is very fine. (Memo to replace air cleaner on car.) The surface is very hard. If you take a hammer to it it barely leaves a mark. How well the surface holds up determines what the race weekend looks like. All of the high horsepower cars/bikes are spinning the tires all the way down. You try to get traction in a mile and a third and go 300 mph! As the day progresses, the surface continues to deteriorate. If you start with a well cemented surface, and good wind, then the records come right along.
If you start slippery, like Saturday, then the surface and the wind makes life difficult. Saturday night the troops will pick up EVERYTHING and move it 50 feet to a better surface.
This panorama starts with a car leaving the line and ends with a bike leaving the line. There doesn't look like that many cars in the pits. On the starting line side there aren't. On the SCTA trailer side there are lots of trailers on the other side. Look closely down the left side of the track. The motor homes go on out of sight.
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John Noonan heading out on the first run of the day as the #1 points leader of last year. The fact that he didn't set a record (very rare.) told us what the traction was like.
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75 more pictures here.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dean-janice/sets/72157618351466294/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dean-janice/sets/72157618351466294/)
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We were on Patrol Return side #8. Got on station @ 10:00. At that time the dust was just hanging with little wind to clear it. They were calling cars with starting #'s of 100 to 125 by that time. The wind start blowing across course from the Northeast to the Southwest. It would be clear at the top end but dusty at the starting line and vice versa, so runs were quite spread out. About 11:30 they started having delays. More delays than runs. I figured they would call the racing @ 1:00 but at 1:00 they said they would make the call @ 2:00 then 2:30. It was so much fun sitting there in a dark truck (before the dust made it tan) watching the dust devils making caos in the pits.
The combination of the course breaking up and the cross/headwinds caused a lot of racers to turn out early or back off before the lights. There were quite a fer people running out of the Rookie Line so it looks like they heeded the Starters advise and played it smart. Better to race another day.
For those that know El Mirage, the wind does not get better in the afternoon! Race "stopped" at 2:30.
Some people really got stupid out there (spectators, not racers!). One dunebuggy rolled several times and a couple on motorcycles had accidents behind the Return road. One appeared serious. This all happened just before they called the race.
Tom
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Nice collection of photos Dean. Thanks!
Pete
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There is a big difference in calling the race for wind on a two day meet.
On a one day meet (or Sunday on a two day) you call the race as soon as you realize the wind isn't going to stop. They usually wait an hour just to make sure. It's late on Sunday and everybody wants to get home.
On a two day meet you know you are going to be back on Sunday, there's several big BBQ's Saturday night, so why call it before 4:00?
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Great pictures Tom & Dean!
Dean, I love this picture!
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It's like one I saw at the Indy Goodguys race a few years ago!
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Sunday, today when I left around 11:00 AM only a handful of records had been set. Here are a few pictures I did not get yesterday.
Tom G.
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Photos by Tom G.
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I hope everyone enjoyed these pictures.
Photos by Tom G.
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TOM,
THANK YOU!
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Tom --
How could you miss that record-setting C/Street Roadster this morning. Thought you were coming by.
Stan
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Stan,
As I got there this morning I parked in behind the Announcers Stand. As I was walking North to the starting line I heard the announcer say your name and Jim's name. Then I see your car take off down the course from a distance. I said to myself I will never find Stan now, and I didn't. Sorry, I really wanted to talk to you and Jim.
Did you set a record? If so way to go. Where do you guys pit? Are you going to run next month? If so I promise I will take some good pictures of your car. I think this was the biggest El Mirage event for spectators that I can remember.
Once again sorry I missed you and Jim, (It won't happen again)
Tom G.
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If I knew how to post pics I would.......
Bro and I had a good time....was hot!
Saw a couple of records set Sunday AM.
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Stan, what a great pass, looked and sounded good, whats next AA/STR come on its only 190.154 maybe someone got your pass on utube?
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Yeah -- hadn't though of that. AA, hell AAA. Pretend we're on the other coast. How 'bout AAA/Blown Fuel Partially Modified Roaster -- It's open, isn't it?
Stan
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Tom --
Our goal this weekend was to get enuf points to have a good starting position in June so we could try to take the record over 190. Never made it to the starting line on Sat. with a 241 starting position, but were about 5 back on Sunday morning. Our driver hadn't used the new wrap-around windshield at Elmo and was cautioned by an official Barbee that the dust would rise up. He reports he could not see the course, nor the tach, from the middle of 3rd gear thru the lights. Sound shifted to 4th and after a while saw a cone once in a while until he saw a clump of them which he took as the finish line. Had his hand for minutes on the chute release and that vision triggered a response.
He said he was heading Glen's advise to exit the course quickly and did so off to the left. He over exited to the concern of many officials who thought he knew better. He didn't, but says he now does. He went 193.9xx and will probably not be asked back the rest of the year. That's probably as fast as the old crate will go on a dirt field.
There's talk of putting me back in the driver's seat (after I finish rehab) and get my state license back. I guess I'd have to start at the bottom again, but I've done that in Wells once or twice.
Thanx for asking,
Stan Back
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I like to start at the top and work my way down:wink:
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Jim, are you crying wolf.......? :-D Dang you always seem to find a mph or 2..... Good for you.
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Stan,
Way to go! Saw your Pit on the way in Saturday. Left the Car home (5 & 1/2 months seamed like so much time to make the changes for this year), but had a patrol duty. Meant to stop by but got stuck watching dust blow by.
Tom
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Results are up!
http://www.scta-bni.org/SCTA-NewWeb/El%20Mirage/ELM%2009/May/results/page.htm (http://www.scta-bni.org/SCTA-NewWeb/El%20Mirage/ELM%2009/May/results/page.htm)
Mike
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Looks like the Moon disks and those special rear shocks Al had made for you were the big difference, nearly 5 mph.
Congratulations.
Woulda liked to come back Sun but it isn't every day my nephew goes to Israel to become a Rabbi.
And how 'bout that Jim Stevens flathead coming close to 200 -on gas - with Record Rick driving!
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I got to Elmo Friday afternoon and stopped by the Langlo pits and "officially" met John and Troy, great guys! I was not able to stay for Sunday and missed their run but it looks like they probably were not able to hook the 2000+ hps to the dirt on Sunday. Real glad to see that Rick got the "OFFICIAL" XF record on Sunday. Rich and Jack are doing their standard deal, don't just break the record annihilate it! Saw them go 186 on Saturday but then get DQed because their paper work was incorrect. That is one great sounding flat head! The real question is can it go 5 miles and over 301 at B'ville?? Sure hope so.
To bad the weather on Friday didn't hold over till Saturday but still had a dirty great time.
Rex
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Interested --
I think the tonneau you cobbled up made the difference -- funneling the dust up to the helmet area gave quite an aero advantage. Plus it allowed the driver to remain calm as he couldn't see how fast he was going and scare himself.
Stan
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The "Casper" Report - B/DT 1616 'world's fastest production diesel':
Truck wasn't ready, arrived in "some assembly required" format. Plenty of power, just couldn't translate it into MPH.
First pass was hairy. Couldn't accelerate to save my arse until about 1.0 mile, then I finally got it to accelerate from 120 to a finish of 141mph sliding all the way through.
ARRGGHH!! First I go 174, next I go 163, then 155, then 154, now 141. Seems by then the end of the season I'll be going backwards down the track.
Day two, track was in better shape, but still not good. At about 2/3rd track I hit about 170 according to the tach, then it started losing speed as the tires broke loose and fishtailed all the rest the way down. Could only rescue a 157.9mph on the 163mph record. Good news is that it gives me better run order because almost everyone had problems with conditions.
There was an extra cool chopped 1947 Hudson Pickup running in A/DT (440-500 cubic inch diesel pickup) with a Ford 7.3 and claimed 750+ HP. Track conditions didn't like him either, and netted 112mph.
The third and last diesel was the MDT Nissan "Salt Toy" with it's 2-stroke Detroit Diesel, super and turbo charged. It ran a 154mph? mph pass.
Thanks out to:
All the hard working SCTA volunteers for an excellent event.
Johnny
Jason
Mitch
Robert
Roadrunners
for pit crew.
Mike L and Guy Tripp for last minute parts (the trans brace was PERFECT!)
Robert my partner in crime with wrenching
Members of the Duramax Diesel community for your continued support - Casper continues to be a "community effort" and we can't do it without you folk!
And last but first, my wife Kat and Hamsters, for putting up with this nonsense.
I didn't take pictures. :(
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Pat, it was good to meet you at the lakes. Everyone ran on the same poor course conditions and the results show it. We get what mother nature provides each year. Maybe next month Chuck and crew will find a little better section.
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Pat, it was good to meet you at the lakes. Everyone ran on the same poor course conditions and the results show it. We get what mother nature provides each year. Maybe next month Chuck and crew will find a little better section.
It was great to talk with you as well. :cheers:
Pragmatically, there are much worse things in life than hanging out with good friends and fellow hotrodders on a beautiful day in the Southern California desert and taking a nice drive at twice the legal speed limit. I had a blast! :cheers:
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...a twin-engine bike (not 'Busa engines, I expect, though)...
I keep wondering when a twin engine Busa powered bike will show up. :-D
Awesome pics everyone. :cheers:
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McRat --
I understand the Hudson pickup had a chopped top -- not allowed in DT.
Stan
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McRat --
I understand the Hudson pickup had a chopped top -- not allowed in DT.
Stan
I guess that is up to the Diesel Committee. IMO, it should have been moved to MDT for a few reasons, but the driver said the Diesel Committee gave them thumbs up for chopped cabs. Wish someone would have told me I could cut down my 6' tall truck before I put in my rollcage, or refit the chassis to the frame.
Shortly there will be no more diesel pickups running in DT class anyhow, as there are several folk in the process of taking gas race trucks and repowering for diesel so they can be more competitive. Diesel racing is perhaps going to become a Second Place Gasoline class. If you can't hit the existing record in gasoline class, repower and hit open diesel records instead.
Me, my addiction is making things faster, and my current drug is #2 Diesel. Whether or not there is room for diesel trucks in diesel classes won't stop me from hotrodding diesels.
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McRat --
I understand the Hudson pickup had a chopped top -- not allowed in DT.
Stan
THAT Hudson pickup, go to [www.acureiscoming.com] its on side of truck, foto by destoman Tom, is controlled by a parapalegic from the
Neck down by a mouthpiece. Truck was built to showpiece what can be done and to keep hope-patience and love to other parapaligics and
their families and friends.
They also plan on racing the Silver State Classic. What an inspiration!!
Thanks for the fotos Tom I never would have know without them.
Go to their web site to find out a lot more.
JL222
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McRat --
I understand the Hudson pickup had a chopped top -- not allowed in DT.
Stan
THAT Hudson pickup, go to [www.acureiscoming.com] its on side of truck, foto by destoman Tom, is controlled by a parapalegic from the
Neck down by a mouthpiece. Truck was built to showpiece what can be done and to keep hope-patience and love to other parapaligics and
their families and friends.
They also plan on racing the Silver State Classic. What an inspiration!!
Thanks for the fotos Tom I never would have know without them.
Go to their web site to find out a lot more.
JL222
Yup. That's why I would never protest anything about the entry. It's a beautiful truck, and a worthy cause. I just race for fun. I've never protested an entry in 30+ years I've been racing, and I won't start now.
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THAT Hudson pickup, go to [www.acureiscoming.com] its on side of truck, foto by destoman Tom, is controlled by a parapalegic from the
Neck down by a mouthpiece. Truck was built to showpiece what can be done and to keep hope-patience and love to other parapaligics and
their families and friends.
They also plan on racing the Silver State Classic. What an inspiration!!
Thanks for the fotos Tom I never would have know without them.
Go to their web site to find out a lot more.
JL222
An old friend of mine who is a quad (special ops vet) is gonna love this! Thanks for the link!
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Fast Freddy said the course was the worse he's seen, me too. Even the return road got tore up and turned to powder,on the way to retreive the race car, spectators were yelling
and waving at us and I thought they were cheering us, but they were yelling at us to slow down :-P
while pushing Troy back we had to actually stop because of a dust out that lasted a couple of minutes, we could not see five feet or less in front
of car.
Somethings going on with the lakebed thats different, maybe just to many dry years or to much well pumping thats lowering the water table or a combination,
but have never seen the return road turn to powder like that.
JL222
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Man oh man, I really miss my 4x4. I hit oil at 90mph at Cal Speedway at WOT, and it still tracked like it was on rails.
But I lost that battle, and need to move onto the next one. :evil:
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Thanks for the fotos Tom I never would have know without them.
JL222
John,
Your welcome, I am just happy I was able to take them. It was good talking with you in line. Hope to see you next month.
Tom G.
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I'm confused (what's new?)!
How's a Chevy 3/4-ton Gas truck different than a Diesel in body, outside of maybe the heighth of the hood? Isn't an extended cab (or crew cab) slipprier than a single cab. Is there a rule not allowing lowering in this class? Would a NASCAR or other race class truck be legal in DT where no body panel can be altered?
Stan Back
(Known to protest -- how we gonna keep them safe down on the farm.)
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Pat, it was good to meet you at the lakes. Everyone ran on the same poor course conditions and the results show it. We get what mother nature provides each year. Maybe next month Chuck and crew will find a little better section.
It was great to talk with you as well. :cheers:
Pragmatically, there are much worse things in life than hanging out with good friends and fellow hotrodders on a beautiful day in the Southern California desert and taking a nice drive at twice the legal speed limit. I had a blast! :cheers:
Pat, I agree with all of the above except '' beautiful day'' :? :-D I don't want to be around on one of your bad days :-o
Friday night was nice out though.
JL222 :cheers:
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Can someone pass along the contact information for any of the Photographers that were at the meet? Especially someone taking pictures down course.
Thanks.
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I'm confused (what's new?)!
How's a Chevy 3/4-ton Gas truck different than a Diesel in body, outside of maybe the heighth of the hood? Isn't an extended cab (or crew cab) slipprier than a single cab. Is there a rule not allowing lowering in this class? Would a NASCAR or other race class truck be legal in DT where no body panel can be altered?
Stan Back
(Known to protest -- how we gonna keep them safe down on the farm.)
Diesel trucks have no Sport Truck versions, no ground effect options, no spoilers. Diesel pickups start out as normal work trucks and get diesel powerplants. Even the rare diesel minitrucks have the aero of barn doors.
Yes, the Chevy 3/4 ton gas truck is the same body. Hence why you won't see anyone running one in Gas Pickup class. Very lousy choice. You won't see duallies either.
But "rules is rules". The rulebook specifically states exactly what body must be used. It must be a Diesel Pickup Body aligned with Gas Coupe rules (1982+). There is no true "Gas Pickup" as they are broke into 2 classes, mini-trucks and 1/2 ton trucks. So Diesel Truck can't be the same.
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I'm looking at 5.E.4 Production Pickup . . .
And don't see where they're limited to 1/2-tons, nor exclude dualleys. You can do a lot to a Production engine that is non-production. And choosing a one-ton dualley looks legal to me. Sometimes racers choose a vehicle that doesn't maximize the rules and then wonder why the competition has an "advantage".
Like for something I know a little about -- Street Roadsters. The guy that chose the 28 Dodge Fast Four last year had some advantages and held the V4F record for an hour or two with an un-sorted-out car. I suspect he'll be back stronger this year. The '30 Ford Roadster has aero advantages over the '29 -- it's slicker and the driver can sit lower because of the stock floorboard. It's also a mini '32 -- but the the Deuce fans keep building them. They start with a disadvantage, but want to build a car a certain way. In the most-competitive SCTA classes this won't get you the hat, or much else either. It's just gonna take a lot more HP to get to your goal -- and usually that costs more than making the better choice to begin with.
Stan Back
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So what would you think of someone running a 2/3rd's scale roadster? 66% of the frontal area of OEM?
There are subtle aero differences and there are huge ones. With trucks, they tend to be huge.
Nobody even dragraces the duallies seriously. They give up a full second against the SRW trucks. Yeah, you could LSR a duallie. And you'd find out why they lose 3-4mpg highway to the SRW trucks at the same weight. We call them Fat-Bottom Girls.
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BTW - I'm just rambling on for fun. My opinion of rule interpretation has zero bearing on anything. I'll run no matter what the rules are if I'm permitted to run. My goal isn't to be the fastest DT. First I want to be the fastest production diesel with a neutral party clocking it (SCTA). Then I want to go hunting the gasoline trucks. I believe the gas engines have a huge advantage, and I also believe I can beat them with a diesel.
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I think if someone showed up with a 2/3 scale Deuce it would be illegal. But if he showed up with a '28 Essex Fair Trumpet -- and it met the class criteria and was 2/3s the size of a Deuce, he was smart.
I'd never seen a '28 Dodge Fast Four before, but it sure looked like it has some real advantages over a '27 T. It looked to me (didn't measure) that it was just as narrow, but had a longer cockpit, longer wheelbase. The longer cockpit lets you get the driver down in St.R instead of the T's that look like they're hauling an oil derrick around. The longer wheelbase can lead to better stability -- probably not needed in V4F. But the five main bearing flathead has got to be an advantage.
I talked to Pedro and he went to great lenghts (A real great story!) to get the car. Once he got it, he started with an advantage. Better thinking than I did -- I just decided to race the roadster I'd had for 40 years. Not always the best choice.
Stan
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I think if someone showed up with a 2/3 scale Deuce it would be illegal. But if he showed up with a '28 Essex Fair Trumpet -- and it met the class criteria and was 2/3s the size of a Deuce, he was smart.
I'd never seen a '28 Dodge Fast Four before, but it sure looked like it has some real advantages over a '27 T. It looked to me (didn't measure) that it was just as narrow, but had a longer cockpit, longer wheelbase. The longer cockpit lets you get the driver down in St.R instead of the T's that look like they're hauling an oil derrick around. The longer wheelbase can lead to better stability -- probably not needed in V4F. But the five main bearing flathead has got to be an advantage.
I talked to Pedro and he went to great lenghts (A real great story!) to get the car. Once he got it, he started with an advantage. Better thinking than I did -- I just decided to race the roadster I'd had for 40 years. Not always the best choice.
Stan
My philosophy has been to build what I enjoy, then figure out a way to race it. That way if I get spanked hard, at least I can enjoy driving it home! :-D
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I figure that now that the Diesel class is finally getting some action it will be split into a mid/mini diesel and a full size diesel class. The fact that nobody was competing in it kept it from happening in the past. Give it a year or so and all will be sorted out. Also, classic trucks with chopped tops should not be running against full size modern trucks.
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My philosophy has been to build what I enjoy, then figure out a way to race it. That way if I get spanked hard, at least I can enjoy driving it home! :-D
He would have even drag raced the motorhome in AZ when Casper blew a head gasket if I would have let him :-o
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I'm looking at 5.E.4 Production Pickup . . .
And don't see where they're limited to 1/2-tons, nor exclude dualleys. You can do a lot to a Production engine that is non-production. And choosing a one-ton dualley looks legal to me. Sometimes racers choose a vehicle that doesn't maximize the rules and then wonder why the competition has an "advantage".
Like for something I know a little about -- Street Roadsters. The guy that chose the 28 Dodge Fast Four last year had some advantages and held the V4F record for an hour or two with an un-sorted-out car. I suspect he'll be back stronger this year. The '30 Ford Roadster has aero advantages over the '29 -- it's slicker and the driver can sit lower because of the stock floorboard. It's also a mini '32 -- but the the Deuce fans keep building them. They start with a disadvantage, but want to build a car a certain way. In the most-competitive SCTA classes this won't get you the hat, or much else either. It's just gonna take a lot more HP to get to your goal -- and usually that costs more than making the better choice to begin with.
Stan Back
I don't know the car rules well, much less the truck ones, but keep wondering about the cd*A of the Chevrolet SSR.
It looks rounded and smooth, does the air think the same as my eyes? :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chevrolet_SSR.jpg
Edit: picture too big to link
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Mc and all. Definately not sure on the diesel truck top chopping but it is always not necessary for a vehicle to be protested by another competitor. If a vehicle is found to not meet the rules of the class during post record inspections it can be noted by the impound inspectors and the record denied for a rule violation. Many of the protests come from the inability of the impound guys to know every possible thing about every vehicle and some one pointing it out verbally or written as a true protest. If the rule book says no chopping then in impouds it can be denied a record by the officials by just reading it in the book.
I know in the Vintage Gas Coupe class a 2" "beaty" chop is allowed. Maybe this a referance to this spot in the book becaue of the age of the vehicle and a diesel is definately an engine swap to a 1948 and older vehicle.
I was involved with one in 1985 where a car in the same class I was running did not have any cover over the carburators sticking out of the hood. I commented on this to an inspector after we both qualified for record runs the next morning (3 runs at that time). I inspector told the guy I protested his car which I didn't. This infraction should have been pointed out during the initial safety inspection and wasn't. I told the inspector that I did not want the car stopped from running on the record against me the next morning but to fix it before any additional runs after that. I was able to beat the person by 1 MPH and he was never able to requify again after putting on a carb shield required by the rulebook. I was always the AH by protesting him but I didn't. The same thing happened to the #36 Roadster about 3 years ago when, during record inspection, the step pan was deamed illegal. He had not built the car but bought it. The pervious owner had never qualified for a record and did know it did not meet specs. It is a tough way to loose a record.
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Then there are others who go around protesting others that are not in the body clasification that they run---I guess thaey just want us to know that they are smart enough to read---lol
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Then there are others who go around protesting others that are not in the body clasification that they run---I guess thaey just want us to know that they are smart enough to read---lol
At a diesel drag event, I had a freakin' spectator protest us. :-D
We had been given permission for both me and my wife to run the truck by the organizers, but a Dodge Cummins weiner who wasn't even racing cried about it when Kat was pulling up to staging. Sadly, with that organization, rich spectators have more authority than the racers or organizers, and she was DQ'd.
But back to LSR, due to the whole points thingy, it creates a situation where people have a vested interest in vehicles they would otherwise have no interest in. With me, it's run order. Since points can equal better traction, it's important to get as many as possible. While I can't imagine myself protesting someone to get "ahead", I suppose there is a lot of pressure to do so.
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I thing air is like a heard of cats--it just goes to where ever YOU created a low pressure area or you may temporarily displace it ---but eventually it just likes to hang out with its buddies of similar characteristics. The eyes have trouble identifying invisible characteristics.
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So what would you think of someone running a 2/3rd's scale roadster? 66% of the frontal area of OEM? (Quote)
Boy Pat....there seems to be no end to your whining on this subject. Just remember, Hooker Graham Hooker's Chevy Luv and Gale Bank's Dakota set this precedent many years before you ever decided to get into Landspeed Racing. We all are impressed with your efforts and I'm certain of your future success at reaching 200mph, and doing it as a production truck is great, but some of us have our sights set at higher than 200mph....and a smart builder will start with something a little more aerodynamic than a full size truck. You make it sound like we are cheating and are stepping down from a gas class into an easier class....not the case at all. To push our S10 to our goal of 250mph and above won't be an easy task. If my goal was 200 then you would have all the room in the world to whine about my effort, but 200 isn't our target and we aren't claiming to be a production truck. That's your deal and not mine.
Curtis
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So what would you think of someone running a 2/3rd's scale roadster? 66% of the frontal area of OEM? (Quote)
Boy Pat....there seems to be no end to your whining on this subject. Just remember, Hooker Graham Hooker's Chevy Luv and Gale Bank's Dakota set this precedent many years before you ever decided to get into Landspeed Racing. We all are impressed with your efforts and I'm certain of your future success at reaching 200mph, and doing it as a production truck is great, but some of us have our sights set at higher than 200mph....and a smart builder will start with something a little more aerodynamic than a full size truck. You make it sound like we are cheating and are stepping down from a gas class into an easier class....not the case at all. To push our S10 to our goal of 250mph and above won't be an easy task. If my goal was 200 then you would have all the room in the world to whine about my effort, but 200 isn't our target and we aren't claiming to be a production truck. That's your deal and not mine.
Curtis
250? Fastest truck is 272mph. Think big. :cheers:
My opinion on the subject ain't new. Heck, I discussed the subject at Bonneville with you before you started on it. Specifically how running an S-10 with a Duramax would be the optimum setup if allowed.
And like I posted, that's all it is, is my opinion. Chopped tops, gas minitruck bodies, boat engines, etc, it ain't my call, and unlike your pals at Texas, I won't protest you.
Good luck and I'll see you on the salt.
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Someone suggested separating the minis from the full-size (never have figured out what the dimensions of each were) and giving breaks to older vehicles. How about crew cabs and extended cabs, 4x4s and 2WD, with and without side mirrors, bed covers, cab-high shells, cabovers? What do you think this is -- motorcycle racing?
Stan
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Someone suggested separating the minis from the full-size (never have figured out what the dimensions of each were) and giving breaks to older vehicles. How about crew cabs and extended cabs, 4x4s and 2WD, with and without side mirrors, bed covers, cab-high shells, cabovers? What do you think this is -- motorcycle racing?
Stan
There is already a split between mini/full sized trucks. But only if you run spark plugs. Mini's can run C engines and smaller only. And that has been the case for the diesels so far, no mini has run larger than a C engine. When I asked whether you could run a B, A, or AA engine in a mini, I got both yes and no as answers, so I never pursued it further.
I assume the official answer is now yes.
Who has the fastest diesel motorcycle? Yes, they do make them. The USMC rides them.
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First time out to the event and I plan on going again.
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Then there are others who go around protesting others that are not in the body clasification that they run---I guess thaey just want us to know that they are smart enough to read---lol
At a diesel drag event, I had a freakin' spectator protest us. :-D
We had been given permission for both me and my wife to run the truck by the organizers, but a Dodge Cummins weiner who wasn't even racing cried about it when Kat was pulling up to staging. Sadly, with that organization, rich spectators have more authority than the racers or organizers, and she was DQ'd.
Pat you never stop do you. Just to set the record straight you were protested by a crew chief of a team racing 6 vehicles at the race in question. Since they had asked about racing one truck with 2 different drivers in the same class and were denied. You tried to sneak it by and had done so until you got caught. Kat was DQ'ed as you had already run in the class. She had no issue and pulled to the side and then you blew up at everyone at the event and almost got yourself escorted off by the local law enforcement! What you were told you could do was race in a different classes with the truck and two drivers but not both in the same class. You've got no one to blame but yourself but you keep trying too.
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If it was done on a drag strip then what does it have to do with LSR. Different venues, lets keep them on those venues. Enough of this that is becoming a Pixsing contest.
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I agree with Glen -- about the shouting match that might ensue. Please keep your comments as constructive as possible, with the understanding that sometimes there is such an egregious event that something "just has to be said". But once is enough - please.
Thanks.
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HighTop,
Those are some great photos. Thanks for posting them. :cheers:
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HighTop,
Those are some great photos. Thanks for posting them. :cheers:
Ryan I got to meet your dad and brother last weekend, did you not make it? Also I heard your roadster run and that thing can turn some RRRRR's, how fast did it go?
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Then there are others who go around protesting others that are not in the body clasification that they run---I guess thaey just want us to know that they are smart enough to read---lol
At a diesel drag event, I had a freakin' spectator protest us. :-D
We had been given permission for both me and my wife to run the truck by the organizers, but a Dodge Cummins weiner who wasn't even racing cried about it when Kat was pulling up to staging. Sadly, with that organization, rich spectators have more authority than the racers or organizers, and she was DQ'd.
Pat you never stop do you. Just to set the record straight you were protested by a crew chief of a team racing 6 vehicles at the race in question. Since they had asked about racing one truck with 2 different drivers in the same class and were denied. You tried to sneak it by and had done so until you got caught. Kat was DQ'ed as you had already run in the class. She had no issue and pulled to the side and then you blew up at everyone at the event and almost got yourself escorted off by the local law enforcement! What you were told you could do was race in a different classes with the truck and two drivers but not both in the same class. You've got no one to blame but yourself but you keep trying too.
Welcome to the board Steve! Good to see you here. Come by and say "hi" at El Mirage next month, and I'll show you "Casper". I know you've seen it before, but only as I was pulling away from you. :evil:
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HighTop,
Those are some great photos. Thanks for posting them. :cheers:
Ryan I got to meet your dad and brother last weekend, did you not make it? Also I heard your roadster run and that thing can turn some RRRRR's, how fast did it go?
I was there on Sunday. I'm the tall guy holding the umbrella.
I went over to introduce myself to you guys while you were in line, but you were really busy. Then, we got busy... and so on.
We went 165 on Sunday, which was good! My brother never ran at Elmo before, and is still getting use to the car. I think we're going to go after the record at the next meet, and we'll see what happens.
How did you guys do? The car looks great! :cheers:
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So what would you think of someone running a 2/3rd's scale roadster? 66% of the frontal area of OEM? (Quote)
Boy Pat....there seems to be no end to your whining on this subject. Just remember, Hooker Graham Hooker's Chevy Luv and Gale Bank's Dakota set this precedent many years before you ever decided to get into Landspeed Racing. We all are impressed with your efforts and I'm certain of your future success at reaching 200mph, and doing it as a production truck is great, but some of us have our sights set at higher than 200mph....and a smart builder will start with something a little more aerodynamic than a full size truck. You make it sound like we are cheating and are stepping down from a gas class into an easier class....not the case at all. To push our S10 to our goal of 250mph and above won't be an easy task. If my goal was 200 then you would have all the room in the world to whine about my effort, but 200 isn't our target and we aren't claiming to be a production truck. That's your deal and not mine.
Curtis
250? Fastest truck is 272mph. Think big. :cheers:
My opinion on the subject ain't new. Heck, I discussed the subject at Bonneville with you before you started on it. Specifically how running an S-10 with a Duramax would be the optimum setup if allowed.
And like I posted, that's all it is, is my opinion. Chopped tops, gas minitruck bodies, boat engines, etc, it ain't my call, and unlike your pals at Texas, I won't protest you.
Good luck and I'll see you on the salt.
I understand that this is your opinion and I can only imagine how hard you are lobbying to have this class changed to suit your needs. And yes the S-10/Duramax is the optimum setup for my race program as you stated above...but let's get one thing straight...it's not "if allowed" it always has been allowed, whether you like it or not. There's a long list of guys who have optimized their race vehicles all within the rules of the class. They went very fast with smaller trucks and big diesel engines. There have probably been as many or more "mini-trucks" through tech as D/T as full size trucks.
We won't be entered at Speedweek as my commitment is to the Goodfellow Family Streamliner to make sure we have a max effort, but at World of Speed we will be there with an A and B diesel engine combination as well as a C gas engine in the trailer. We also have a commitment to enter the truck at Hot Rod Drag Week and put on a few thousand miles while hitting the drag strips for 5 days. Perhaps you would join us and wave the diesel flag at this event.
Curtis
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So what would you think of someone running a 2/3rd's scale roadster? 66% of the frontal area of OEM? (Quote)
Boy Pat....there seems to be no end to your whining on this subject. Just remember, Hooker Graham Hooker's Chevy Luv and Gale Bank's Dakota set this precedent many years before you ever decided to get into Landspeed Racing. We all are impressed with your efforts and I'm certain of your future success at reaching 200mph, and doing it as a production truck is great, but some of us have our sights set at higher than 200mph....and a smart builder will start with something a little more aerodynamic than a full size truck. You make it sound like we are cheating and are stepping down from a gas class into an easier class....not the case at all. To push our S10 to our goal of 250mph and above won't be an easy task. If my goal was 200 then you would have all the room in the world to whine about my effort, but 200 isn't our target and we aren't claiming to be a production truck. That's your deal and not mine.
Curtis
250? Fastest truck is 272mph. Think big. :cheers:
My opinion on the subject ain't new. Heck, I discussed the subject at Bonneville with you before you started on it. Specifically how running an S-10 with a Duramax would be the optimum setup if allowed.
And like I posted, that's all it is, is my opinion. Chopped tops, gas minitruck bodies, boat engines, etc, it ain't my call, and unlike your pals at Texas, I won't protest you.
Good luck and I'll see you on the salt.
I understand that this is your opinion and I can only imagine how hard you are lobbying to have this class changed to suit your needs. And yes the S-10/Duramax is the optimum setup for my race program as you stated above...but let's get one thing straight...it's not "if allowed" it always has been allowed, whether you like it or not. There's a long list of guys who have optimized their race vehicles all within the rules of the class. They went very fast with smaller trucks and big diesel engines. There have probably been as many or more "mini-trucks" through tech as D/T as full size trucks.
We won't be entered at Speedweek as my commitment is to the Goodfellow Family Streamliner to make sure we have a max effort, but at World of Speed we will be there with an A and B diesel engine combination as well as a C gas engine in the trailer. We also have a commitment to enter the truck at Hot Rod Drag Week and put on a few thousand miles while hitting the drag strips for 5 days. Perhaps you would join us and wave the diesel flag at this event.
Curtis
Curtis,
Don't get me wrong. I race by whatever rules I'm told are in force before I fire it up. Been that way for years. Whether I like the rules or not, I run, plain and simple.
All I've ever asked is that the rules be the same for all racers, and when they aren't I race anyhow.
IMO, rules are rules. Past entries do not define the rules, the rulebook and rules committee do. It says it in the SCTA rulebook. No diesel minitruck has been run in B, A, or AA, so past entries don't even come into play. Like I said in an earlier post, it ain't my call.
Yes, both me and my wife have been dragging our family across the country for years to support diesel racing, Drag, Sled, and LSR. I've organized sled pulls and drag events and donated thousands of dollars to charity in the process. Ask guys like Craig Johnson how we run. We do it simply for the love of the sport.
I like you, and enjoy talking with you. But I also fully intend to outrun all competitors. With hose clamps, duct tape, and hard work. You are always welcome in our pits, and I will help you to best of my ability. Though when the race starts, I will do my best to go faster than everyone else.
If your goal is 250, then mine should be 250.1 :-D
Actually, it is 273. :evil:
Game on friend. :wink:
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Pat
Your up to your same old tricks and the moderators here have asked that we not bring in things from other venues. All I ask is that you drop the crying and whining that you've done at every previous venue you've come to. LSR has been fun for a lot of people for many years as the crying and whining about things have been very little when compared to other venues. People do it for the fun of it as there is no other reason. The ego's get checked at the edge of the Salt. I've been attending it for years and its been a lot of fun. Please do not ruin it as you have every where else you've been before. Setup and do something different for a change. Everyone gets to race on the same track under the same conditions under the same rules, quit trying to change them just to fit what you want. Sometimes things are what they are.
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I think you both were asked to stop the bickering. Lets get back to racing.
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Please, guys, take it to email or a duramax forum.
Mike
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Ryan, we didn't do that well. We did get bumped up to 79 in the line up, but traction is a problem. We were in a hurry because we didn't hear the call for 200-225 or what ever the call was. We heard the call for the third round and we were still in the pits. Our next trip to El Mirage will be after Bonneville and our starting number will be awful again. Hope to meet you at speed week. :cheers:
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Ryan, we didn't do that well. We did get bumped up to 79 in the line up, but traction is a problem. We were in a hurry because we didn't hear the call for 200-225 or what ever the call was. We heard the call for the third round and we were still in the pits. Our next trip to El Mirage will be after Bonneville and our starting number will be awful again. Hope to meet you at speed week. :cheers:
I know how it gets when your racing. :cheers: I think traction was a problem for just about everyone. :-o
I hope to meet you at Speed Week as well. :cheers:
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Pat
I you should read the SCTA RULEBOOK again I have not seen any rule that states a S-10 cant run as Diesel engine bigger than a C. I believe you are twisting the words of the rule to suit your needs, the only rerason no one has ever ran a mini truck in the B and above catagories is the fact that there was not a engine that could make power in that class to run fast lets face facts the 7.3 power stroke not easy to make BIG power GM's 6.5 again not easy for BIG power and I give Heath diesel a thumbs up for doing it I would have pulled my hair out trying that, now a Cummins is at the upper limit of a C class and you can make tons of power with it so it was a natural choice for many hence Hookers LUV and Banks Dakota.
Now on the sence is the common rail Duramax and Power stoke so now I believe you will be seeing more of these in minis with at least B engine in them because now there are real potential in these power plants and in true LSR you put a big engine with big power and put in a small vehicle and hold on for the ride.
Now with out sounding like a personal attack on you I hope you see 200mph in Casper and hope it at least holds together this time, but to see 273 as the Casper sits now will be if not then next to impossiable the air moving around that truck at that kind of speed would make it very unstable I mean a Corvette IIRC is areodynamic enough to go around 240 with out any type of spoilers on the car and you want to go 30mph faster in a full size truck. If you do reach that speed it will be in a modified diesel class where spoilers and other Areo mods are allowed. Even if in a year or two you do get your sperate "Production Truck" class you will still have the second fastest Duramax Powered pickup truck on EARTH.
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Now for my opology to everyone else here caught reading this bickering between us. It goes back a few years for the 3 of them and you all know who I'm siding with. Pat is now just realizing he brought a knife to a gun fight, we are building a truck to the rules as they are stated we do not have a secert rulebook or access to any info that was not avaiable to Pat when he decided to go LSR. The only reason we are taking a public stand against him is simple if you do not stand against a tyrant then the tyrant wins. If you do not stand against him now later is always harder. If you think the word tyrant is harsh than you do not know him as some have. He will keep this complaining up til he gets his way and you give in to his demands of changes, so think about give an inch and next it will be a mile
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i for one appreciate the "airing out".....of differences of opinion....
not all do, but there are some of us who enjoy the drama and the more
details the better.........
it may affect others now and in the future.....
the information is often enlightening....
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Maybe you should read your rule book. Mid and mini pickup, modified or production may NOT run anything larger than a C motor.
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"Maybe you should read your rule book. Mid and mini pickup, modified or production may NOT run anything larger than a C motor."
Those are GAS classes.
Stan
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"Maybe you should read your rule book. Mid and mini pickup, modified or production may NOT run anything larger than a C motor."
Those are GAS classes.
Stan
You're absolutely right Stan. There's not much cross-over if any between the Production or Modified truck rules and the Diesel Truck rules. We revert to Gas Coupe rules on body mods and the book clearly states up to a AA engine.
Believe me when I tell you, I do wish all the best for Pat and I have all the confidence in the world that he will be over 200 this year, and to do it with a production truck stock body is outstanding, will be quite an accomplishment. We will not be at Speed Week with our truck as we have committed to being there for another team to make sure they do well. Our race team however does have a target and a plan to run various engine combinations from E all the way to AA over the next few years. The truck will run in both gas and diesel and hopefully at the same event which should be interesting. We have some great technology to flaunt and will take advantage of the aerodynamics available to us as written in the class rules.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, perhaps the time is right to have a production class in trucks, rather than trying to rally the troops to change the rules to suit one individuals effort.
Putting things into perspective to some who haven't known the history of this sore spot....
So what would you think of someone running a 2/3rd's scale roadster? 66% of the frontal area of OEM?
There are subtle aero differences and there are huge ones. With trucks, they tend to be huge.
Nobody even dragraces the duallies seriously. They give up a full second against the SRW trucks. Yeah, you could LSR a duallie. And you'd find out why they lose 3-4mpg highway to the SRW trucks at the same weight. We call them Fat-Bottom Girls.
It's like complaining that someone is running a BB Chevy or Hemi in a roadster and it didn't come stock with one....totally bogus. I thought the sport was trying to push the speed envelope....not limit it. We are setting out a plan to run this vehicle beyond the limits set by previous trucks and raise the bar if we can. We will run within the rules written in the book, not the rules rumored on the internet.
Curtis Halvorson
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OK, ENOUGH OF THIS B.S ON THIS THREAD!!! TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, I AND PROBABLY MANY HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF IT!!! :evil:
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Agreed! Crow
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Same here...take it elsewhere please..if you have a problem with anyone here send them a PM please.
J
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Same here...take it elsewhere please..if you have a problem with anyone here send them a PM please.
J
Or... just put them on a leash ??
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i like learning more about what some of the details are with
respect to different classes.......more informed drama is ok with
me........
it will add to the experience for me on the salt....
just like knowing more little details makes watching indy or nascar more
interesting.......
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At your request I have moved our discussion to a new venue http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,6076.0.html. I believe kepping this disscussion public is better than going private as it may affect others who are considering building a Diesel truck. While opinions were voiced and alittle bickering was done I do think it was better than being left unsaid