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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: 2fast4u2c on February 27, 2005, 07:33:00 PM
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I'm finishing an article for Dragbike.com
Was it John or Joe Amos that holds the Flying Mile Nitrous Bike record and at what speed?
I just want to be accurate.
Guy
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Joe Amo holds the 1000cc MPS-F @223.353
And the 1000cc MPS-BG and BF records as well, think he did a 244 pass...
John is thrashing the blown 600 record, or being thrashed by it, I don't remember which.
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Joe Amo's Records
MPS-BG-1000 @ 240.913 MPH
MPS-F-1000 @ 223.353 MPH
John
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Originally posted by John Beckett:
Joe Amo's Records
MPS-BG-1000 @ 240.913 MPH
MPS-F-1000 @ 223.353 MPH
John
MPS-F-1000 @ 223.353mph for the fastest nitrous record avg. speed for both directions.
The BG record was not Nitrous only, correct?
Guy
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Correct Guy ,hopefully you can update your article after March 18 :)
gary
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Guy - take a look at the rule book where it explains classes -- the "B" stands for blown (i.e. supercharged).
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Even when checking the record book the ?F? in MPS-F-1000 class doesn?t necessarily mean that the contestant was necessarily running Nitrous either. However I think Joe was in this case.
JB
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Well, yes, you're right, John -- "jumping" to a different class has been known to happen. I've run in "fuel" class on just the motor, and I betcha I'm not the only one. As for Joe's run in "BG" -- well, I did happen to be there and saw the bike, so I know that he had a turbo on it.
Of course, just having a piece of equipment attached doesn't necessarily mean it is being used -- don't I remember seeing that one of the sanctioning bodies is going to require that such things as turbos actually be working to qualify for the class? That is, just bolting a turbo to the engine (but, for instance, having no impeller inside) won't get you into a blown class.
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Don?t know that they will go to the trouble to see if the impeller is in place or not, but you will have to bolt the housing up and have the corresponding plumbing in place.
JB
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225.627 average mile speed, down run, nitrous (no turbo)
http://www.landracing.com/teamamo/images/cert%20225a.jpg (http://www.landracing.com/teamamo/images/cert%20225a.jpg)
the fastest nitrous record will fall a few times
this year.......it should be pretty cool to watch
many of the nitrous only bikes out there will be much faster than mine went 4 years ago
Joe :)
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I'm betting they use more cc's than Joe.
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Originally posted by Joe Amo:
225.627 average mile speed, down run, nitrous (no turbo)
http://www.landracing.com/teamamo/images/cert%20225a.jpg (http://www.landracing.com/teamamo/images/cert%20225a.jpg)
the fastest nitrous record will fall a few times
this year.......it should be pretty cool to watch
many of the nitrous only bikes out there will be much faster than mine went 4 years ago
Joe :)
Joe, is this the speed you want me to use or the avg. record speed?
Seldom, Yes, I do know what BG means and thanks for the refresher.
Hawkwind, I will be posting this article just before Maxton. Good Luck on your 230 run on the lake, looking forward of hearing great things from your monster.
Guy
<small>[ March 02, 2005, 12:17 AM: Message edited by: 2fast4u2c ]</small>
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Guy, the only thing I would like communicated is the
inherent differences between Bonn. and Maxton runs
meaning I would hate to see a 2 way Bonn average over a mile compared to a one way exit speed over 132ft
comparing one way to one way gets closer, but does
miss the difference between maintaining a speed on nitrous for 1-3 miles(the timing traps) for maintaining a speed on nitrous for 132ft (the timing trap)
additionally I would like to see some emphasis placed on how amazing it is that you guys get to those speeds within a mile, the acceleration you have to accomplish is awesome
there can be some comparison of speeds, I think with some explanation of the vast dicotomy between venues
I dont feel my speeds averaged over a mile are more impressive than what you guys have done over 132ft within a mile, they are simply different to me, similarly as what top fuel cars have for top speed in a quarter mile compared to what fuel cars accomplish on the salt
good luck, Hawkwind, and Guy!!!
Joe :)
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OKay. I'll do my best.
Guy
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Dyno run last friday , of all things gearbox problems , striped down and rebuilt box ( problem with TTS overdrive gears ) Did'nt have time to get new gaskets and seals so some oil leaks :( it started this arvo so off to Sydney for another dyno session , if it survives leaving for Lake Gairdner friday
hope to do some good numbers Thanks Joe , but I really need some more development time
Gary
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Gary,Would you be willing to share with the board or myself by pm,what problem was found--i.e. faulty or broken 5th gear?
Thank you
Hank
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Joe, here is the excerpt from the article
Just to give you a quick sense of the Maxton Monster Mile, you begin at the starting line and jam the throttle for about 600 feet then make a 10 degree right hand turn onto the main track (runway) where you barrel down the old concrete runway course at break neck speeds until you cross thru the two orange cones marking the finish line. At this point I have traveled for about 24 seconds while on the nitrous for about 18 of those seconds. Having a Nitrous motor hold up under quarter mile drag race conditions for about 6-8 seconds is hard but nothing compared to building a motor to withstand the heat and pressures of being on the juice for 18 seconds. And if you think that?s crazy, how would you like to build a motor that withstood being on the juice for at least 2 miles of a 3 mile run at the Bonneville Salt Flats. That?s right, you read me correctly, for over 2 miles Joe Amo traveled on a 1000cc Nitrous motor holding the world record for the flying mile at the mighty Bonneville Salt Flats at over 225mph in the MPS-F-1000 class. Now that?s what I call a motor builder. Suffice to say that the tune-up for Maxton?s 1 mile of concrete is all together different than Bonneville?s brutal salt flat or even a quarter mile drag track for that matter so it?s like comparing apples to orangutans. The records are also very different because they are for different venues under totally different circumstances and conditions and can not be compared. At Bonneville, you are measured over an entire mile, at Maxton; you are measured twice in the last 132 feet of a mile. Even if I surpass the mph of the Bonneville record, I can only say I am the fastest in the ?1 mile?. That?s good enough for me.
If you have any changes, now's the time!
Guy
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Guy,
One thing needs to be changed.
It should read on nitrous for 3-4 miles of the 5 mile track.
The track hosts 2 miles to get up to speed and then 3 one mile timed miles.
Other then that very well written Guy,
Jon
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I ran nitrous in my 40 coupe for a few years. I quit when the rear of the car started to lift at 150 mph. I did not do any thing different to the motor than I did without it. Same 13 to 1 comp and good parts. The only thing I did was start with 3 to 5 degrees out of the distributor because electronics are not allowed with vintage engines in vintage cars.
The key is the tune up for the system and understanting it..It is not a mystery or a black science.
I've watch an excellant team we all know at Bonneville set both the Fuel and Gas records in the same meet by only adding a bottle to their plumbed system. None of the engine or any internal or external parts were changed. They use mutiple stages and use it from the first mile thru the end. (Hey they changed the gear)
I used mine in only high gear at Bonneville and it was in at the 1/2 mile to end of the 3. At El Mirage I used it in 3rd and 4th so I was on it for a mile and didn't hurt anything...I did not want to change the car so I took it off.
In reality it's just a blower in a bottle and isn't holding on most of the fun? Love those bottles on bikes so keep it up and go fast!!!!!
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Guy, nice article, but I still think it is of
GREAT intrigue/importance for you to not understate the true challenge you guys have at Maxton, and that is applying all that power to reach a very tremendous speed over such a relatively short distance, it is unreal what you guys and gals are doing in one freakin mile........awesome
side note:
that Wilson and Waters roadster team, ROCKS!!!!
those guys are truly an example of what Bonneville is all about......
Joe :)
<small>[ March 10, 2005, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Joe Amo ]</small>
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Originally posted by JonAmo:
Guy,
One thing needs to be changed.
It should read on nitrous for 3-4 miles of the 5 mile track.
The track hosts 2 miles to get up to speed and then 3 one mile timed miles.
Other then that very well written Guy,
Jon
Got it, thanks.
Guy
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Here is the final draft of that paragraph.
Just to give you a quick sense of the Maxton Monster Mile, you begin your trek at the starting line and then speed like hell for about 600 feet. Then you make a 10 degree right hand turn onto the main track (runway) where you barrel down the old concrete runway course at break neck speeds until you cross thru the two orange cones marking the finish line. At this point I have traveled for about 24 seconds while on the nitrous for about 18 of those seconds. Having a Nitrous motor hold up under quarter mile drag race conditions for about 6-8 seconds is difficult enough and can?t be compared to building a motor to withstand the heat and pressures of being on the juice for 18 seconds. It is literally a concrete 1 mile drag race without the 60 foot times to contend with. The traction is just killer and then you have to attain full warp speed in just 1 mile, that?s 5,280 feet, 1,609 meters, 1,760 yards or 63,360 inches. If you think that?s crazy, how would you like to build a motor that withstood being on the juice for at least 3-4 miles of a 5 mile salt bed track? The Bonneville Salt Flats track allows you 2 miles to get up to speed and then 3 one mile timed miles on the treacherous salt bed. That?s right, you read me correctly, for over 3 miles Joe Amo traveled on a 1000cc Nitrous motor holding the world record for the flying mile at the mighty Bonneville Salt Flats at over 225mph in the MPS-F-1000 class. Now that?s what I call a motor builder. Suffice to say that the tune-up for Maxton?s tortuous 1 mile of concrete is all together different than Bonneville?s brutal salt flat or even a quarter mile drag track for that matter so it?s like comparing apples to orangutans. The records are also very different in comparison because they are for different venues under totally different circumstances and conditions that cannot be compared. At the Bonneville Salt Flats, you are measured over 3 one mile timed miles, at Maxton; you are measured twice in the last 132 feet of a mile. Even if I surpass the mph of the Bonneville record, I can only say I am the fastest in the ?1 mile? and that?s good enough for me.
Pic's are done so it goes to the webpage next week
Guy
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Guy,
Let me know if you need pictures of Joe's bike in the nitrous configuration year I have some if you need them.
Jonathan
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"In reality it's just a blower in a bottle and isn't holding on most of the fun? "
It really isn't a blower in a bottle as it works entirely different combustion wise but that is a source of another discussion..
Dave
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It's posted.
http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/templates/news_template.asp?articleid=1032&zo (http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/templates/news_template.asp?articleid=1032&zo)
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Nice article, guy. One little ooops, though -- the first ECTA event is April 2-3, not 4-5. No big deal -- unless you don't look closely at your calendar before you request the time off from work.
We'll see you there -- won't be racing this time out -- just helping with the expected crowd of Hot Rod Magazine car folks.
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Thanks Slim, fixed it.
Guy