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Title: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Kansas Bad Man on April 29, 2013, 10:56:42 AM



The Mike Cook Shootout this year should be something to see.  Got a question.

Will Angelic Bulldog, Lucky Seven, gas turbine being built in Rob North's shop in San Diego, jet liner, or EZ-Hook be there?

I know for sure Ack Attack and Black Lightning will be there.  Are there any others hiding out there that we might look forward to seeing? 

Time's getting short 128 days before we load up.  Stainless will be hauling my Vincent streamliner, and I'll be hauling his little car to the WOS.  Black Lightning will all of her gear, needs the dualy.  My F150 can handle the little car, no problem.

See all you guys on the salt.

                                           Max
 
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Glen on April 29, 2013, 11:47:25 AM
Max,looking forward to seeing you on salt. I will working on the Vesco team :cheers:
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: trimmers on April 29, 2013, 07:30:36 PM
According to Gabriel's website, no Bulldog in 2013.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on May 13, 2013, 06:29:31 PM
Sam Wheeler will be there.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rouse on May 13, 2013, 06:45:17 PM
If the conditions are good, this may be the year to be there. I have to hold down the fort during SW, however I may just sneak out there for the Shootout.

Rouse
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: ack on June 06, 2013, 06:36:06 PM
As of today June 6th we have 4 motorcycle streamliners and two open wheel bikes committed to run at the Shootout.  Again Top 1 Oil will pick up the AMA, FIM and course survey costs for those who display Top Oil graphics on their bike.  There are a number of very formidable car entries also.

Confirmed bike entries:

Streamliners

Max

Ack Attack                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Sam wheeler

Denis Manning

Open wheel

Al Lamb

Jamie Williams

Streamliners that will not attend

Angelic Bulldog

Jet Reaction

Confirmed Car entries:

Terry Nish

David Brant

Rick Vesco - Terminator

Jim Knapp - Barnyard Bearcat

Len Goodfellow - Morman Missle

Potent and Main - Speed Demon

Ohio State - Buckeye Bullet

Jim and Mary True - True's Missle

May attend

Danny Thompson - Challenger 2.5

Charles Nearburg - Spirit of Rett



Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: racefanwfo on June 06, 2013, 06:58:45 PM
I had heard that Mike Charlton was going to show up this year with his jet bike.



Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Kansas Bad Man on June 08, 2013, 10:55:42 AM

In conjunction with the Shootout, Black Lightning will also be attending the World of Speed.  Don Angel will take on the riding chores at the WOS, and Hartmut Weidelich from Germany will go for the FIM at the Shootout.  Class is streamliner side car blown fuel, 3000cc.  Last week I sent off for the WOS entry forms.  They arrived yesterday.  In going through the brochure, I read, "2009--Chris Carr, current motorcycle LSR at 367.382 mph..."--??? 

                      See You All on the Salt,

                                Max
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on June 18, 2013, 08:18:03 PM
Great that Denis is coming!!  Is Chris Carr driving?
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: John Noonan on June 19, 2013, 10:07:09 AM
Yes....Chris is coming back for a shot  :cheers:
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on June 29, 2013, 11:47:43 AM
This should be interesting!!!

John you should build a liner for 2014!!!
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Malcolm UK on July 02, 2013, 08:18:04 AM
Whilst none of the British streamliners will be at the Shootout 2013 :-(, all three that are built or in build will be on display during the Goodwood Festival of Speed event in two weeks time alongside the fasest ever UK bike - the Gillette Mach3 Challenger rocket bike (332.877 mph one way). 

Jet Reaction is completed and making test runs controlled by Richard Brown whenever the UK weather co-operates and airfields are available, but funding will be needed for the trip to the salt in 2014; Angelic Bulldog is getting parts completed to enable assembly to continue under the management of Gabriel Uttley, but funds will be needed for a trip to either USA or to South Africa; The 52 Express is in the UK and is being clothed in its skin (over the gas turbine) and Alex Macfadzean and Robin Richardson are seeking the funding for a trip to the USA or to South Africa.

There is a common theme of the lack of funding brought about by the financial crisis and recession(s) that the UK suffered.

Malcolm UK, Derby, England.
 
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: TrickyDicky on July 02, 2013, 08:57:09 AM
Perhaps the BBC can be persuaded to fund a shipping container to take them all to Bonneville??
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Malcolm UK on July 02, 2013, 09:51:30 AM
I have a feeling that each project has already arranged documentary production with other TV organisations.

Malcolm UK, Derby, England
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: pofg on July 08, 2013, 06:08:20 AM
Perhaps the BBC can be persuaded to fund a shipping container to take them all to Bonneville??


Hahahahahahhahahahaha! You have NO idea how much work it was just to persuade the BBC to come last year... the thought of them actually spending tax payers money to help race teams to the Salt is superb. But sadly never ever ever going to happen.

We're hoping to secure the final $$$ we need to bring the Flower to the Shootout this year, but I keep emailing Mike and use the website contact form to no avail... given I'm hoping to have the BBC crew along with me again I'd have thought it might make good publicity for one and all. But guessing we're too small and too slow.

Rick
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: ack on July 08, 2013, 09:07:13 AM
Rick:

PM sent
Title: Re: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: pofg on July 08, 2013, 03:47:26 PM
Thanks chaps! Crew Chief has spoken to Mr C and it sounds like we'll be there if I don't break anything major at Speedweek!! Cheers Rick
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Robin UK on July 14, 2013, 03:12:36 AM
Here's a pic of the Alex Macfadzean/James Toseland Rolls-Royce turbine bike liner that made it's public debut at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this weekend. There is still a ton of work to do but we managed to get enough of it together to give visitors a good idea of what it will look like when finished. Rebuilt engine (we have a spare as well) and transmission fitted along with reworked front end , data logging and instrumentation. Tyre testing and brake disc testing (single disc on drive shaft) next up. Wind tunnel testing to correlate the CFD work on air intakes and body shape begins Thursday. For those unfamiliar with the project, Alex was part of the Vesco Turbinator team and did a deal with Rick involving an engine one way and little used Kawasaki liner the other way. Rob North did a great job of disassembling everything and modifying and rebuilding the monocoque based chassis before it was shipped to the UK for aero work and final build. The body panels on the liner at the moment are reworked versions of the Vesco originals. Target run date is next year.
Robin
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: wobblywalrus on July 14, 2013, 12:30:45 PM
That little Triumph liner in the middle looks tiny in comparison to the new one.  Will you be running it at BUB in 2015?
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: doug on August 23, 2013, 10:19:04 AM
I found this little Shootout teaser in my daily check of youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNvev2pBxdA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNvev2pBxdA)
Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: sabat on August 23, 2013, 03:05:34 PM
I will be there Wed night to Saturday night - can't wait :)  Dean
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: osti on August 23, 2013, 03:08:07 PM
I will be there Wed night to Saturday night - can't wait :)  Dean

Cool!! You racing Dean?
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: sabat on August 23, 2013, 03:11:25 PM
Noooo, I wish!  I should have said that I will spectating, taking crappy pics, helping anyone I can.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: osti on August 23, 2013, 03:16:21 PM
Noooo, I wish!  I should have said that I will spectating, taking crappy pics, helping anyone I can.

Nice!! I'll be looking forward to your crappy pics.  :-D
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rouse on August 23, 2013, 05:03:54 PM
Just bought my Plane tickets, Hope to see and meet some of you folks WOS- Shootout

Rouse
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on August 23, 2013, 06:29:28 PM
Just did Speed Week! Flying out to BUB tomorrow! Be at WoS & Shootout, too! Starting to feel like a Ute with a salt habit!  :-D
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: triumphrpm on August 24, 2013, 09:49:20 AM
That little Triumph liner in the middle looks tiny in comparison to the new one.  Will you be running it at BUB in 2015?

Hey I like that little Triumph liner!

News just out that Triumph will be running a Triumph powered streamliner at BUB and maybe the shootout.
Two Rockett Three motors with turbos. They have been working on it for a while. Jason DiSalvo will be the rider. I will try to post some photos soon.
Here is link to some information.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/disalvo-among-those-chasing-land-speed-records-during-the-bub-motorcycle-speed-trials-at-the-bonneville-salt-flats/
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on August 24, 2013, 11:51:50 PM
http://www.hotrodconspiracy.com/  :?
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Freud on August 25, 2013, 02:10:49 AM
Jason DiSalvo is one cool dude.

FREUD
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on August 25, 2013, 08:34:25 PM
Jason DiSalvo is one cool dude.

FREUD

Freud, Jason is one of those people that you meet and immediately know that they are the real deal!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Freud on August 25, 2013, 08:53:27 PM
I agree completely. I met him at Barbers Motorsport Park at a Ducati event several years ago.

Class all the time.

FREUD
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on August 25, 2013, 10:00:09 PM
That little Triumph liner in the middle looks tiny in comparison to the new one.  Will you be running it at BUB in 2015?

Hey I like that little Triumph liner!

News just out that Triumph will be running a Triumph powered streamliner at BUB and maybe the shootout.
Two Rockett Three motors with turbos. They have been working on it for a while. Jason DiSalvo will be the rider. I will try to post some photos soon.
Here is link to some information.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/disalvo-among-those-chasing-land-speed-records-during-the-bub-motorcycle-speed-trials-at-the-bonneville-salt-flats/

I hope those 2 do well at BUB.  TheN a few weeks later Ack and Sam Wheeler will joing the fray at the COOK Land Speed Challenge.  Even if either one sets a new record it will be challenged immediately....FUN!!
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Freud on August 25, 2013, 11:40:14 PM
Meet Jason again.

FREUD
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rouse on August 26, 2013, 09:49:13 AM
Just did Speed Week! Flying out to BUB tomorrow! Be at WoS & Shootout, too! Starting to feel like a Ute with a salt habit!  :-D

Woody, Make sure we touch base at WOS, I'll buy the beer :-D
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: ack on August 30, 2013, 01:56:09 PM
Things are getting interesting.

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/08/29/motorcycle-news/castrol-triumph-rocket-to-conquer-bonneville/

Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: ack on August 30, 2013, 02:11:44 PM
ACK Attack web site.

http://ackattackracing.com/

Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: baron on August 31, 2013, 12:12:30 PM
Does anyone know if Triumph will be attending the Top Speed Shootout with their Streamliner???

Cheers,
Scott
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: JoshH on September 01, 2013, 02:19:53 PM
Another article claiming the Triumph is on the salt now.

http://jalopnik.com/this-is-what-the-worlds-fastest-motorcycle-looks-like-1235932221
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: dw230 on September 01, 2013, 02:32:09 PM
Pretty bold claim for a bike that has not recorded an official time as of yet(published).

Wake me when they exceed 376 MPH.

DW
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Freud on September 01, 2013, 02:33:26 PM
That's the way I also see it, Dan.

FREUD
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Glen on September 01, 2013, 03:18:08 PM
Who is Rocky Duke?
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: JoshH on September 01, 2013, 03:24:10 PM
Well at least they got his first name right... :wink:

The only thing I found interesting was the claim this thing is already on the salt. With that driver compartment (composite roll structure) they won't be running anything but a private event.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Chris V on September 02, 2013, 10:16:07 AM
anybody know what Cook's may be charging spectators entering the salt at the boat ramp?  Sandy "Vetter Velocity" 3 records at BUB
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: trimmers on September 02, 2013, 10:18:36 AM
As I recall, the Shootout has always been free for spectators. 
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: ack on September 02, 2013, 10:37:07 AM
Does anyone know if Triumph will be attending the Top Speed Shootout with their Streamliner???

Cheers,
Scott

Neither Mike cook or I have heard anything from them regarding the Shootout. 

There is no charge to spectate.

There will be a 3 minute video recap of the daily events that will be avalible on the Internet.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: dw230 on September 02, 2013, 11:42:20 AM
Spectator entry for the Shootout will again be free as in the past. You have to sign the release and get a wrist band from Lynda and her crew. Make a hard right on the salt, follow the cones to the pit area, approx. 1 mile.

Best bang for your buck on the salt. We have made history each year the event has run.

DW
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: ack on September 02, 2013, 12:37:18 PM
Dan

Do you or Mike have a local FM broadcast lined up yet?  If not what do you think about requiring spectators wishing to enter the pit area be required to have a CB radio and monitor it.  Spectators in the pit area need to understand they must stay in the immediate pit area and not wander off anywhere during the event wether a vehicle is running or not. They are only allowed on the access road and in the immediate pit area. There is a lockdown of the course before a run and no one is allowed to move except the vehicle and crew that is running and the officials. There have been a number of instances that runs have been held because someone is moving in the course area. There is a spectator area across from the timing tower for those that just want to watch runs.  I think we should have a handout for spectators that explanes the rules as it looks like there will be a larger number Of people than in the past.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: dw230 on September 02, 2013, 12:59:26 PM
No radio that I know of Mike. A handout would be nice, spectator control has always been a problem at this meet.

DW
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 02, 2013, 01:41:31 PM
I second that, Dan.  I've been the pit area steward for a few years, and while it's pretty easy to keep the crews and teams under control, catching up to the wandering spectators is like herding cats -- get one to stop and wait and two others decide they want to move.  I'm all for some better way to keep them under control.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: dw230 on September 02, 2013, 10:52:14 PM
We could restrict the meet to entrants only.

NO ONE wants that - we are there to present the best of the best and I, personally, want anyone who attends to enjoy the spectacle that is the Shootout.

DW

Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rouse on September 03, 2013, 10:14:21 AM
Dan, SSS

I am going to be one of the cats to herd this time around. I have already pack two hand held CBs, as I intend to watch a great show not interfere.

 If I can help, OK, if not I know how to stay out of the way. The racers and officials have enough to worry about as it is.

I hoping for magic to happen this year.

Rouse
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 03, 2013, 10:24:06 AM
Magic, hunh?  Well, let's see about that.  Three years ago - the 2010 Shootout - was the fastest race event in history, with four cars and a bike at or above 400 mph.  That was pretty magical, I guess.

And this year -- what is it - at least four cars and three or four bikes that are (theoretically) capable of 400 mph ++ speeds?  Yup -- this one could be magical, too.  We'll see you on the salt.  Remember donuts for Land's End Lynda.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rouse on September 03, 2013, 10:27:08 AM
ummmmmmm Donutsssss :cheers:

Rouse
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on September 04, 2013, 07:24:01 AM
Does anyone know if Triumph will be attending the Top Speed Shootout with their Streamliner???

Cheers,
Scott

The Triumph will not be at the Cook [this year].  :-(

Now I can root for Sam Wheeler!  :-D And BUB and Ack Attack!  :-D

Run safe and fast guys!  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rouse on September 04, 2013, 09:17:10 AM
OK every body I'm fixen to ask a question that maybe shouldn't be answered, but here it goes.

Does anyone want to handicap the percentages as to the chances of running 400 MPH the year for each of the motorcycles? 0 - 100 Percent

At this point, I have my own idea as to the chances for each motorcycle, but I ain't saying yet. I'd like to see what other folks are thinking.

Rouse
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: baron on September 04, 2013, 11:12:07 AM
Thanks for the info Woody, should be an amazing week of racing with any one of those three having the potential to crack 400. Whoever is making the trek, i'll see you all on the salt.

Cheers,
Scott
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on September 04, 2013, 11:40:09 AM
Does anyone know if Triumph will be attending the Top Speed Shootout with their Streamliner???

Cheers,
Scott

The Triumph will not be at the Cook [this year].  :-(

Now I can root for Sam Wheeler!  :-D And BUB and Ack Attack!  :-D

Why won't the Triumph be there?

That is a shame.  We have been looking at the beautiful carbon liner in ads for almost a year.  this has been really building up our curiosity and anticipation to see it run.

Does it need more development time?  Did they find out something at the BUB event that will delay the run? 

They have been very slim on details.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: baron on September 04, 2013, 12:00:41 PM
The Triumph Streamliner was 5 doors down from us at the BUBS event last week. We had seen an ad in Roadracing World last spring i think, some of you may recall, with no details just an image or rendering of the bike, so to stumble across it on the salt was jaw dropping. Its a glorious piece of engineering. What really killed us was not just the finish, three coats of clear over the basket weave carbon (trade name Grand master 12K at Fibreglast), but also the attention to detail puts it right up there with current contenders.
From what i could gather they were having some teething problems, as all race vehicles do, to include a rider who was getting up to speed with a very different handling motorcycle than what he is used to. Rumors of  all nighters fabricating parts and troubleshooting were rampant but are exactly what i would expect with a brand new race bike. This should not take away from the fact that they will ultimately be contenders, we wish them all the best with the steep learning curve that is 400MPH. Sure do wish they were going to be at COOKS.

Cheers,
scott
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on September 04, 2013, 12:44:02 PM
Can't divulge much - just too many issues to solve before the Cook meet. :cry: But they will be back!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: superleggera on September 04, 2013, 01:04:13 PM
Does anyone want to handicap the percentages as to the chances of running 400 MPH the year for each of the motorcycles? 0 - 100 Percent

I don't think any of the motorcycle streamliners will break the 400mph record this year.  But if the conditions clear, possibly a one-way 400mph run?  Sentimental favorite is Sam Wheeler given his time/legacy on the salt but he has essentially a new streamliner from the firewall back to test and sort out.  I know the weight has increased quite a bit and the weight distribution has changed with the new engine, gearbox, coolant tank, etc.  Anyone have specifics on his actual status?  (hopefully this Winter when I'm in Los Angeles I can make a visit of him again to learn more and to bounce questions off to tap his knowledge base -- truly a nice guy with a passion for motorcycle streamliners)
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 04, 2013, 01:19:37 PM
I just put this on the WoS thread, but will repeat it here:

I just talked with Mike Cook about the Shootout - and the WoS cancellation.  Cook leaves SoCal this Sunday to get to Wendover that day, and by Monday will have looked at the salt enough to make a decision about whether he should postpone or cancel -- or run.  Stay tuned -- he'll call me with updates when he's got 'em.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rouse on September 04, 2013, 02:12:07 PM
Here's hoping they run, I have other things I can do in SLC, but they ain't what I'd rather be doing.

Rouse
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: trimmers on September 04, 2013, 02:14:23 PM
Hey, Jon:

Howze about starting a new thread dedicated to this year's Shootout?

With the cancellation of WoS, the Salt Junkies will be concentrating on that now.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 04, 2013, 03:21:08 PM
That's a fine idea.  I was just looking around to find a FIRM start date for the Shootout -- and couldn't even find a Shootout 2013 topic.

When I say "firm" date -- I've seen both the 11th and the 12th.  Sometimes I get the impression that Wednesday the 11rd is for set up and  inspection, sometimes not.  Who knows for sure?  I've gotta reschedule an airline ticket and don't want to miss any of the fun.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 04, 2013, 04:42:03 PM
12th to the 16th is what I have, Jon. Wayno
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: hotrod on September 04, 2013, 05:57:45 PM
That is what is listed on their site as well.

http://landspeedevents.com/blog/
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 04, 2013, 07:33:31 PM
I saw that on the website, too -- but dang it, I am pretty sure that I saw the 11st as a "pit set-up and safety inspection" day - - somewhere.  Since I've got to close the store and fly out there I want to get there sort of "just in time" rather than spend an extra day away from work - and away from Nancy. :cry:
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: fastesthonda_jim on September 04, 2013, 10:11:31 PM
Last I heard  they were able to get a seven day permit from the 12th through the 18th.   These coincide with the dates on my FIA application, BTW.
So we got a week of weather to consider.
Hope to see some/all of you on the salt.

"Two motors is for sissies" Jim
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on September 05, 2013, 11:02:59 AM
Does anyone want to handicap the percentages as to the chances of running 400 MPH the year for each of the motorcycles? 0 - 100 Percent

I don't think any of the motorcycle streamliners will break the 400mph record this year.  But if the conditions clear, possibly a one-way 400mph run?  Sentimental favorite is Sam Wheeler given his time/legacy on the salt but he has essentially a new streamliner from the firewall back to test and sort out.  I know the weight has increased quite a bit and the weight distribution has changed with the new engine, gearbox, coolant tank, etc.  Anyone have specifics on his actual status?  (hopefully this Winter when I'm in Los Angeles I can make a visit of him again to learn more and to bounce questions off to tap his knowledge base -- truly a nice guy with a passion for motorcycle streamliners)

If the salt is really good we will see 400 from maybe 2 liners.....that is my fearless prediction!! :-D

Sam's liner changes are awesome.  Take a look at the videos here on this site.  Sam is not sure how much the weight has increased by......but I think we are talking 30 to 50 lbs. and the machine weighs something like 1200 to 1300 to start.  Only the center section is new with a Vance & Hines built Hayabusa putting out 500 to 600 HP.  The frame now goes over and under the engine and is exotic machined aluminum.  The rear suspension and belt drive and trans are really exotic.

I will try to post some photos.

The rear section is the same.

New Goodyear tire is supposed to be good for 450 and he is using his proven front wheel and suspension.

So we have a proven liner with many sensible upgrades.

Sam is being very quiet, but testing is underway and he will be ready for Cook meet.  Lets hope the salt is good!
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: stwheeler on September 05, 2013, 11:39:05 AM
Does anyone want to handicap the percentages as to the chances of running 400 MPH the year for each of the motorcycles? 0 - 100 Percent

I don't think any of the motorcycle streamliners will break the 400mph record this year.  But if the conditions clear, possibly a one-way 400mph run?  Sentimental favorite is Sam Wheeler given his time/legacy on the salt but he has essentially a new streamliner from the firewall back to test and sort out.  I know the weight has increased quite a bit and the weight distribution has changed with the new engine, gearbox, coolant tank, etc.  Anyone have specifics on his actual status?  (hopefully this Winter when I'm in Los Angeles I can make a visit of him again to learn more and to bounce questions off to tap his knowledge base -- truly a nice guy with a passion for motorcycle streamliners)

If the salt is really good we will see 400 from maybe 2 liners.....that is my fearless prediction!! :-D

Sam's liner changes are awesome.  Take a look at the videos here on this site.  Sam is not sure how much the weight has increased by......but I think we are talking 30 to 50 lbs. and the machine weighs something like 1200 to 1300 to start.  Only the center section is new with a Vance & Hines built Hayabusa putting out 500 to 600 HP.  The frame now goes over and under the engine and is exotic machined aluminum.  The rear suspension and belt drive and trans are really exotic.

I will try to post some photos.

The rear section is the same.

New Goodyear tire is supposed to be good for 450 and he is using his proven front wheel and suspension.

So we have a proven liner with many sensible upgrades.

Sam is being very quiet, but testing is underway and he will be ready for Cook meet.  Lets hope the salt is good!



AMEN  :cheers:
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: MattGuzzetta on September 10, 2013, 04:24:54 PM
Here is some information on a streamliner I never have seen.  Is this thing for real and is it set for a Bub appearance, or is Castrol going to spring for the bucks to run?   Nice looking vehicle, the faster the number, the more sophisticated these liners get. Verrrry interesting.
Has anyone seen this before?

Hope the salt drys out soon!
Matt Guzzetta




http://www.gizmag.com/castrol-rocket-triumph-motorcycle-land-speed-record-attempt/29005/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=eab83a69e6-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-eab83a69e6-90576653
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: joea on September 10, 2013, 06:08:03 PM
uh..yeah...:)...

they were at BUB...a few weeks ago...

the went around 90+ mph, had a fire...and I think most would expect some
teething issues...not sure how or what transpired...

they announced they wouldnt be ready to continue running at the Shootout....

Joe
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Freud on September 10, 2013, 10:37:44 PM
I don't think they will be at the shoot out.

FREUD
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on September 10, 2013, 11:02:21 PM
Matt Guzetta!!!  I know that name from a long time ago.


The Triumph is beautiful, but I think it need more development time.  Honda and others found out it is not that easy.

How are you?
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on September 11, 2013, 09:31:37 AM
See post #53! You can't be in a hurry to go fast!  :-o

If all politicians had to run successfully on the salt before running for office we would have a much better bunch in DC!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: MattGuzzetta on September 11, 2013, 02:58:02 PM
 :-D Love the reference to #53!   Most people have no idea how difficult it is to actually run on the salt.  Great to see Mr. Lague on the site, one wonders where people are after all the years.  I am glad to see the great variety of motorcycle streamliners on the salt, plenty of ideas out there.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/040-DaytonawithPublisherMClst_zps61e7d22b.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/bubbamatt/media/040-DaytonawithPublisherMClst_zps61e7d22b.jpg.html)
A little off topic, just a pic from 1984 with the esteemed Mr. Lague, glad to see you (and Freud) are still around!   :cheers:

Matt

Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Freud on September 11, 2013, 07:27:58 PM
Daytona infield just before the moon shot.

FREUD
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: doug on September 12, 2013, 10:30:21 AM
As of today June 6th we have 4 motorcycle streamliners and two open wheel bikes committed to run at the Shootout.  Again Top 1 Oil will pick up the AMA, FIM and course survey costs for those who display Top Oil graphics on their bike.  There are a number of very formidable car entries also.

Confirmed bike entries:

Streamliners

Max

Ack Attack                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Sam wheeler

Denis Manning

Open wheel

Al Lamb

Jamie Williams

Streamliners that will not attend

Angelic Bulldog

Jet Reaction

Confirmed Car entries:

Terry Nish

David Brant

Rick Vesco - Terminator

Jim Knapp - Barnyard Bearcat

Len Goodfellow - Morman Missle

Potent and Main - Speed Demon

Ohio State - Buckeye Bullet

Jim and Mary True - True's Missle

May attend

Danny Thompson - Challenger 2.5

Charles Nearburg - Spirit of Rett





Is it possible to get a roll call of who is there already?
Good luck to eveyone.  Thanks you to all of the information given heretofore thereafter.

In the meantime:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jeOyvxSgwM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jeOyvxSgwM)

TURN IT UP LOUD!!!
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Glen on September 12, 2013, 10:33:31 AM
The Turbinator will not be at the shoot out.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Tom Liberatore on September 12, 2013, 06:15:09 PM
uh..yeah...:)...

they were at BUB...a few weeks ago...

the went around 90+ mph, had a fire...and I think most would expect some
teething issues...not sure how or what transpired...

they announced they wouldnt be ready to continue running at the Shootout....

Joe
They left a very salty Camaro in the Montego Bay parking lot, those brake rotors sure are brown............ :?
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on September 14, 2013, 12:04:57 AM
:-D Love the reference to #53!   Most people have no idea how difficult it is to actually run on the salt.  Great to see Mr. Lague on the site, one wonders where people are after all the years.  I am glad to see the great variety of motorcycle streamliners on the salt, plenty of ideas out there.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/bubbamatt/040-DaytonawithPublisherMClst_zps61e7d22b.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/bubbamatt/media/040-DaytonawithPublisherMClst_zps61e7d22b.jpg.html)
A little off topic, just a pic from 1984 with the esteemed Mr. Lague, glad to see you (and Freud) are still around!   :cheers:

Matt

thanks for posting that photo Matt.  It made we dig up some of those great memories of those days and that cross country run. 

I have been into LSR for a few years and am working with Sam Wheeler these days, and doing some video work on the motorcycle efforts.

I hope you are well.

Dick


Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: racefanwfo on September 14, 2013, 03:32:53 AM
Say it ain't so glen no Turbinator at the shoot out. why?
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: trimmers on September 14, 2013, 07:22:06 AM
Say it ain't so glen no Turbinator at the shoot out. why?

In earlier posts, it was stated they were having compressor stalls and were waiting on a new fuel control.

It was also stated that both Vesco cars would be at World Finals.

So,  maybe if the Shootout is delayed until after WF....
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on September 14, 2013, 09:42:15 AM
It may be dry enough by World Finals.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: joea on September 14, 2013, 10:45:37 AM
 I dont think Sam Wheeler is ready as well....
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on September 14, 2013, 09:57:01 PM
I feel Sam will be ready when the salt is ready.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Freud on September 15, 2013, 02:27:46 PM
Mr Video, do you have a short short clip of Sam and his machine?

Marilyn Monroe has been gone a long time but we are still interested in her.

Same goes for Sam.

FREUD
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on September 16, 2013, 10:21:56 AM
If you would like to see a series of clips on Sam's construction progress, go to www.streamliner.com for a series of videos on the project on the PARTS UNLIMITED/EZ HOOK streamliner.

Here is a link to the overall story
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg-yvfbsfVM&feature=share&list=PL06B40F3E017C7C3D

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Xg-yvfbsfVM?list=PL06B40F3E017C7C3D" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Freud on September 16, 2013, 12:40:30 PM
THANKS from the Sam fans.

FREUD
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on September 16, 2013, 01:37:16 PM
no problem....Sam is very upbeat about getting this record!!
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: JonAmo on September 18, 2013, 12:52:18 AM
How much more time does Sam need to be ready? 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 6 months, 1 year? When you say when the salt is ready that is open for interpretation. Some feel it wont be ready till next year, some might assume it is ready in a couple weeks. So IF the shootout were to happen THIS WEEKEND could Sam be there ready to run?

Jon
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: PorkPie on September 18, 2013, 08:21:03 AM
Hi Folks,

be back home from the salt....sorry...mean lake....

What a bad luck, especially for the USFRA with the canceled World of Speed and Mike Cook with the Shootout....all the work for nothing....

Done the best out of it....visit Joe Amo....Joe, thanks for the great time at your place....went from Joe to John Boy, said part of the Bockscar team hello (Stainless was coming over from Kansas). Had at John Boy's place also a great time....thanks, too.
Hit the road and was back in Wendover Wednesday night...only to watch the frustrating rain which killed all tries to run the Shootout...left the salt on Friday, had some fun with Ray on two car shows around Salt Lake City area....Ray, thanks for this.

now I'm back home and a little bit tired....

Hope we got more luck with World Finals.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Freud on September 18, 2013, 11:53:59 AM
Can you make the rescheduled Shoot Out?

FREUD
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: ack on September 20, 2013, 03:29:44 PM
Here are a couple of new videos about the conditions at the Shootout and the rain date.

http://vimeo.com/channels/ackattackracing
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: trimmers on September 20, 2013, 04:15:22 PM
Mike:

Nice videos!  I'm just hoping it'll be dried up by Oct 10! If so, I'll see ya down there!

By the way, I just got one of our big contracts switched over to requiring TSO-C126, so....

Jeff in Boise
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: racer on September 21, 2013, 12:34:07 AM
Thanks for the updates......

My calendar is marked, bags are always packed and the hot rod is full of fuel.

Roll safe, straight and faster than the last pass....

See ya on the salt.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: sabat on September 23, 2013, 09:20:43 AM
The Carpenter wing of the Castrol / Triumph Rocket has issued a press release;

http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/templates/fast1320_z2.aspx?articleid=19450&zoneid=2 (http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/templates/fast1320_z2.aspx?articleid=19450&zoneid=2)
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2013, 01:12:50 PM
The Carpenter wing of the Castrol / Triumph Rocket has issued a press release;

http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/templates/fast1320_z2.aspx?articleid=19450&zoneid=2 (http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/templates/fast1320_z2.aspx?articleid=19450&zoneid=2)


They went 104?  Right on!   How fast were they going when they caught it on fire?
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Stan Back on September 23, 2013, 02:32:45 PM
They're probably working to find a good PR angle on that . . .

Such as . . . "the hottest bike at the event."
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2013, 03:12:47 PM
They're probably working to find a good PR angle on that . . .

Such as . . . "the hottest bike at the event."


..............."snicker"................
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: nrhs sales on September 23, 2013, 05:06:49 PM
I wish them luck in the future. Just not sure I would have issued that press release.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 23, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
Quote
Just not sure I would have issued that press release.

The #1 job is to do more press releases and generate advertising publicity.

The #2 job is to run the bike and do something.

Quote
The displacement limit for the class is 3000 cc’s and the Rocket III’s 2300 cc engine could be stroked to come just under the limit, but Carpenter Racing’s Bob Carpenter thought a better way to go would be to de-stroke the motor and use two of them.

3000 cc is one of the classes available. Not the only one. And the limit is not 3000, but unlimited. What else didn't they read in the rule book? Oh, right. No roll cage.

It does say the SCTA "S-BF" not the FIM "I.A1.C V.3+ 3000cc" OK, it might be AMA that does have a 3000 cc limit.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 23, 2013, 05:53:34 PM
Many pics here:
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/triumph-castrol-rocket-400-mph/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/triumph-castrol-rocket-400-mph/)
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/castrol-rocket-details/castrol-rocket-03.jpg)(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/castrol-rocket-details/castrol-rocket-05.jpg)(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/castrol-rocket-details/castrol-rocket-09.jpg)(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/castrol-rocket-bonneville/castrol-rocket-bonneville-04.jpg)
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rouse on September 23, 2013, 06:49:17 PM
One thing for sure, it'd be hard to beat the craftsmanship of that bike. There was one hell of a lot of quality work that went into building it.

I'd have to say that give time it will run as well as it looks.

I think I'm going to take a "wait an see" on this one, and from the looks of the workmanship, that wait may not be that long.

Rouse
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on September 23, 2013, 07:13:46 PM
Many pics here:
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/triumph-castrol-rocket-400-mph/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/triumph-castrol-rocket-400-mph/)
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/castrol-rocket-details/castrol-rocket-03.jpg)(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/castrol-rocket-details/castrol-rocket-05.jpg)(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/castrol-rocket-details/castrol-rocket-09.jpg)(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/gallery/castrol-rocket-bonneville/castrol-rocket-bonneville-04.jpg)

Wait 'til you see Sam Wheeler's new stuff!!

Well I hope we get to see it soon on the salt.
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rouse on September 24, 2013, 10:14:07 AM
I agree, Sam Wheel has done a fantastic masterpiece of a build. Most people don't have a clue about how much time is involved in such a project.

Most folks don't have the patients it takes for the perfection in design he's built into his latest machine.

One thing is for certain, Sam's new bike is going to be fast, very fast.

Rouse
Title: Re: Motorcycle Streamliners at the Shootout
Post by: rlague on September 24, 2013, 10:36:15 AM
I will try to post some photos.  Sam is being very quiet about his testing, but the development phase is going well.