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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2009, 11:40:01 PM »
4BMIKE:BIG THANK YOU!I really don't know too much about these new fangeled computers.Afterall,they are just a passing fad,like
telephones.

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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2009, 11:44:07 PM »

I really don't know too much about these newfangled computers.


Have you tried using a really old one instead?

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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2009, 11:55:01 PM »
"MOTION 1" was on the cover of the 1970 program book.
I still have it.

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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2009, 12:05:17 AM »

I really don't know too much about these newfangled computers.


Have you tried using a really old one instead?
I've got an old "pong" somewhere.LOL.

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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2009, 06:59:08 PM »
"MOTION 1" was on the cover of the 1970 program book.
I still have it.



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Can you scan it or post a picture of the front cover? That would be very interesting to see glad you still have the program book

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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2009, 03:27:57 PM »
D-ROCK,I too stood beside the car when it was running in 1969.If I remember correctly,the front engine blewup,so another was(borrowed?) and replaced it.

in 1969 the front engine was borrowed from jeff shipley.

in '69 i was a course steward and sitting at the 7-mile when noel came by me with a flat tire after running 350+ mph in the 3rd timed mile.  he was taking up most of the width of the course as the streamliner whipped from one side to the next, just missing jerry kugel and his, then new, cammer ford powered modified roadster.

The home movies I took it had pieces of yarn taped to the body to show airflow while the late Alex Tremulis took pics.

love to see that film!
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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2009, 09:46:51 PM »
1970 program
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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2009, 09:49:03 PM »
This was a handout from the 70 Sacramento Autorama there was a picture of the car on the other side. the same one that is on the cover of the 70 program.

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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2009, 09:50:19 PM »
 some more info.
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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2009, 11:36:41 AM »
This was a handout from the 70 Sacramento Autorama there was a picture of the car on the other side. the same one that is on the cover of the 70 program.

 Gary Cole    DCWATERJET Z

great stuff gary!

this is the same onesheet that was handed out at the l.a. carshow in 1970.  been a few years since i've seen this.

thanks for sharing!
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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2009, 08:39:37 PM »
 Might of been LA show I have a little news clip about that too. I had forgotten about that. ( Im not 100% sure the car appeared at Autorama. MY BAD) :?
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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2009, 12:14:55 AM »
1970 program


Gary

That is some amazing stuff that 1970 program is neat to see great info and pictures its so much appreciated. You have historical stuff I never seen before amazing streamliner

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« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2009, 11:17:57 AM »
Might of been LA show I have a little news clip about that too.

i think i remember that story.  i believe it was in the l.a. times.  :? :?

for some reason i remember a picture of burt and noel standing next to the car that was used in the story.

maybe not.

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at a time (1970) when 400 mph speeds were not nearly as common as now, i find it interesting that there are so few pictures of motion I, either from magazines or personal photo albums.  especially with the initial 1969 test runs clocking as close as 4 mph off of mickey t's record and certain potential of breaking the summers bros.' record.

sadly, most of the pics i've seen of motion over the years have been at the drags with the body off; followed by shots on the salt from 1969, with aluminum and flat black body panels.
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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2009, 11:55:44 AM »
random motion I memory:

motion, due to a lack of george washingtons to support the project, had no transmissions.

it also had unique forklift differentials giving the car a final drive ratio of 1-to-1.

(if motion ran over 400 mph with no transmissions and 1-to-1 going to the ground imagine the speed potential if noel could have spun those engines over 4000 rpm.)

we had to push the car at 80 mph to light the engines and noel needed to keep tossing in the clutch to keep from going too fast in the warm up area.  this was in the days when the warm up area was much longer and not nearly as regulated as it now is.

the film crew, there to document the attempt, put a tripod in the back of noel's old truck, which had a top speed of only 80ish mph.

burt would push off the 'liner as fast as his truck would go and somebody else drove noel's truck as fast as it would go with the camera in the back to get film.

we followed this procedure twice; once before we burned a piston and once after:

fire off the rear engine, burt would do his thing until he was happy with the way the engine was performing and click it off.

then, we would hand-push the car to turn it around, which took quite a distance.

then noel would fire off the front engine for burt to massage before shutting it down.

then, we would, once again, hand-push the car to turn it around.

this time noel lit both engines and burt synched-up the throttles.

even in the days of only 1000hp (maybe) for each engine it was quite impressive to stand between the two hemis while burt blipped both engines.
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Re: Noel Black "Rhinoceros" twin engine streamliner 400mph?
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2009, 12:54:06 PM »
I spoke with my dad about the procedure for running the car at the drags and he couldnt remember if they ran on 1 motor or both.

 Gary

i just spoke with john sprenger the other day and he told me that he once saw a picture of the car doing a four-wheel burnout.  i think he said it was at sacto, but i could be wrong about that.
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