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Title: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RCKirby on September 13, 2011, 10:37:02 AM
Does anyone know exactly who will be attending the Shoot Out this coming Monday.  I know that Nish, Poteet and Main and Nearburg as well as Mike Akatiff will be there.  What about the sit on bikes and any late comers?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: stay`tee on September 13, 2011, 11:11:14 AM
Richard Assen will be there on his turbocharged Hayabusa,, :-)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 13, 2011, 11:56:10 AM
I think we've already got a topic going for the Shootout - but otherwise we'll use this one, okay?

Let's see if I remember who'll be at the event:

Nancy Wennerberg and Leslie Porterfield are the distaff racers, with Jamie Wagner and Richard Assen (so I now have been told) will be the other sit-on bike racers.   Rocky Robinson will pilot the Ack Attack bike.

Cars:  George Poteet in the Poiteet and Main Speed Demon, Charles Nearburg in the Spirit of Rett, and the Nish 998 car.  The Jack Rogers Camaros are at World of Speed now and MAY or may not race at the Shootout.  I don't know for sure, and Stever Strupp, one of Jack's drivers, didn't have the definitive word for us yesterday.  They're pitted right across from Nancy and me - I'll let you know as I learn more.

That's that - as far as I know now.  I'll keep you updated.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: racefanwfo on September 13, 2011, 03:39:59 PM
what about mike charlton and the jet bike.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 13, 2011, 10:41:28 PM
Nope to Mike and his jet bike.  I know he'd like to be there -- but I think he doesn't have the $$ put together for another visit just yet.  Having seen him and his passion a couple of years in a row, though -- don't count him out 'til he says he's all done.

As for who's going to be there, I got the art for the shirts today - and now I'm able to say my earlier report on who's gonna be there is correct.  I'll post the pictures as soon as Mike Cook tells me I can do so -- don't want to spoil his surprise.  Hint, though -- right in the center there's a well-known lady on her Turbo 250 that's decorated with a flamingo and palm trees motif -- and she's wearing a helmet that's got pink flames feathers on it. :roll:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: joea on September 13, 2011, 10:53:22 PM
the art work looks nice...

posted on FB this am....

cars on front...bikes on back...
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 13, 2011, 11:02:05 PM
Yeah, I know it's on FB -- but I thought I should ask permission before I put it here.  The shirts have been cars on one side, bikes on the other, for a year or two -- but this time I noticed that Rocky and the Ack bike are on the car side and the other is sit-on bikes only.  Whatever -- it's going to be a good event. 

We think we'll be having daily 3-5 minute video features available on landracing.com.  I'm not sure -- but it sounds like Brian Leckey's crew (they did the DVD and tv shows last year or two) will be producing the short features and making them available to TV networks and newscasts and especially to us on landracing.com.  We'll put them on photobucket or maybe YouTube or something so you can watch them at your leisure.

My, oh my, what's next?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 14, 2011, 02:27:20 AM
Slim, stop pussyfootin around on coverage! Ain't anyone out there as legit as you!@ I see these oddball internet "TV" shows promoting this stuff and you should just go with it. Get in touch with me, I will help (background in TV and radio) :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: roadster589 on September 14, 2011, 11:17:11 AM
Slim it would bee nice if you would Put the art work up. Thank you also to everyone out there we still have a open spot due to Amirs unfortunate luck during speed week. So if any one is intersted please contact my self or mike sr. We are trying to absorb some of the coast for the other racers thank you for all of your support

Mike Cook Jr
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: roadster589 on September 14, 2011, 11:39:33 AM
I forgot to mention that we are looking for anyone that would like to run the shootout it dose not need to be for a FIA or FIM record just need to fill in thank you again
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: John Noonan on September 14, 2011, 11:46:31 AM
Cost on this?

John
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: bak189 on September 14, 2011, 12:05:21 PM
Sidecar with passenger...OK?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: roadster589 on September 14, 2011, 12:53:27 PM
John I sent you a pm coast will be determined on how many days you would like to run we don't want to charge u a flat rate if you only plan on a couple days side car with passenger you would have to talk to SR on that I know we have a bike that will have two riders on it please call SR a talk to him as we are open to anything mike SR (951) 675-3070
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 14, 2011, 05:23:07 PM
Here are the front and back of the Top Speed Shootout 2011 t-shirt:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/Screenshot2011-09-12at83522AM.png)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/Screenshot2011-09-11at125441PM.png)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: landsendlynda on September 14, 2011, 05:30:56 PM


COOOL!!!!    Mike!......oh, Miiike!!!   :-D  .........  :roll:

Lynda
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 14, 2011, 05:35:42 PM
Save me a XL. :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: landsendlynda on September 14, 2011, 06:48:03 PM


Long sleeved large, if you have them this year....I'll work extra hrs in exchange for shirt!!  How's that for public commitment?     :-D

Lynda
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Freud on September 14, 2011, 10:11:17 PM
Glen, are u going to the Shoot Out?

FREUD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 14, 2011, 10:36:26 PM
Don't know yet.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 15, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
Any chance of the Maro Special making it out to the Shootout? Seems that this car has a ton of potential to go really fast :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RCKirby on September 15, 2011, 04:24:02 PM
That now that would be a sight and a great fill in for the Speed by Spectre streamliner!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 15, 2011, 04:27:03 PM
Quote from: RCKirby on September 15, 2011, 04:24:02 PM
That now that would be a sight and a great fill in for the Speed by Spectre streamliner!

I agree!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 16, 2011, 02:25:56 PM
Quote from: RCKirby on September 15, 2011, 04:24:02 PM
That now that would be a sight and a great fill in for the Speed by Spectre streamliner!

I agree as well. I'm sure that an invite has been extended their way and it seems like a great opportunity to continue the development of that car. I'm sure time and expense are a huge determination though. I'll keep my fingers crossed  :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: desotoman on September 16, 2011, 02:42:54 PM
Am I correct that there are only 3 cars that are showing up for sure, and the others have not decided yet?

Tom G.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 16, 2011, 02:49:16 PM
Tom, you're correct.  Three cars, one bike liner, four sit-on bikes.  Nobody else as of this morning - as far as I know.  Ron Main and his crew are here - shot the  breeze with Ron and Marty, one of the crew.  Haven't sen anyone else yet.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RCKirby on September 16, 2011, 03:18:01 PM
Just got back....watching the Nish crew load the #998 streamliner.  The shop was quiet...a little bit of nerves...a little bit of excitment...and a whole lot of hope.

The we be on the salt early Sunday morning!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 17, 2011, 06:25:39 PM
Here's more news, folks.  I hear that the Rice brothers, a/k/a Chronologic Timing, will be running a small FM radio broadcast station at the Shootout.  I haven't talked with them yet - they aren't hear, and I heard the story from Mike Cook - but I'll try to get the audio hooked up with our internet streaming thingamajig so you can listen to the stuff from the Shootout.

Remember -- the Shootout is usually hours of boring nothing - with the occasional frantic run lasting five minutes.  It's not something that you'll have on all the time at the office, although all the time while you're in the shop might be great.

We also intend to have Brian Leckey's crew producing video feature-ettes for the evening news and the local home tv stations of the competitors and so on.  Those feature clips will be available, if all goes right, here on landracing.com.  We will have a link to wherever we store them - so you can watch them in your own time frame.

Donations will be helpful.  Thanks -- and hang on, this is going to be a good Shootout with four sit-on bikes as well as the super-duper streamliner cars and bike.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 18, 2011, 04:08:27 PM
Jon, what's the latest out there? It's getting close to decision time for me. When things got soggy yesterday I used the opportunity to come home and take care of some stuff. I can be back.  :-D Wayno
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Rick Byrnes on September 18, 2011, 05:27:03 PM
SSS
Hear.......
Here.......
I can't believe you did that accidentally....

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 18, 2011, 08:21:00 PM
What I'm really trying to ascertain is, has it dried out enough that someone might go for a BIG one first thing tomorrow?  :wink: Wayno
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 18, 2011, 11:35:50 PM
Wow, a great day.  A TV producer asked me (a complete nobody) to describe the Shootout event.  I replied, "This is the high holliday at the world's cathedral of speed." 

FIA guys from around the world here for their annual meeting.

Cooks crew working their Acuras off to prep for the runs.

I can hardly wait to get back out tomorrow morning
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 12:09:40 AM
A coupla quick shots from the FIA "hosted social" held this evening after the gathering on the salt that included the drivers meeting (I was busy unloading a broken race car...I didn't make that one).

Nancy (Mrs Seldom Seen Slim), Jason from Richard Assen's team (MPS-1350-BG Hayabusa http://www.assentecracing.com/3.html (http://www.assentecracing.com/3.html)) and Jon (Mr. Seldom Seen Slim) Wennerberg

Mike Cook receiving a certificate of accomplishment and appreciation from Dave Craw, President of the FIA Senate and President of ACCUS (http://www.accusfia.us/ (http://www.accusfia.us/)).

It was quite an informative gathering and historic in that it was the first time the FIA's Land Speed Records Commission has met in the US and for sure they first time many of the members have been to the salt flats to see what environment many of the records are set in.

Over and out until the morning.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 12:37:37 AM
Ray, you beat me to it.  I just put about four dozen photos from today's Shootout activities up on Photobucket.  I'll hit the sack now - and in the morning, between bouts of frantic action when we've got hours of not much going on -- I'll post photos.  I took a bunch during the drivers meeting.  You'll see George Poteet and a couple of the guys from his crew, and you'll se Charles Nearburg and Mike Cook and Nancy (of course) and so on.  I'd put 'em up now -- but I think you'll appreciate some information with the shots.

The morning is forecast to start with the Nish car running first.  They'll be ready to head toward the north end of the track at first good light.  Poteet and Main is ready to run, but Nish gets first dibs on the track.  The Ack Attack bike just arrived out there about 3.45PM -- so probably won't run 'til late tomorrow - if that early.  Richard Assen's bike is ready right now - and will run between cars, as will Leslie and Al Lamb.  Jamie Wagner was just pulling in as we left the pit area about 4PM.  Nancy's Ninjette 250 Turbo isn't due to arrive 'til Tuesday, so we've got some time to relax (?!!?) and keep you folks informed.  Oh, yeah -- we're also the pit stewards, and I even got the nod when it came to moving a couple of porta-potties.  It seems the pits were set up Saturday, in a dry area right off the freeway, and the toilets were installed.  Then the wind blew Saturday night and moved the water to the pit area.  Tarps were pulled up, trailers and equipment moved -- but the toilets were still in the swamp.  So Jon, a/k/a SSS, a/k/a Potentate of Porta Potties, got to moving his minions closer to civilisation.  Will the fun never end?

We'll be back with you folks in the morning.  G'night, all.  PS  Thanks Ray and Moxnix for the help you're providing with coverage.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 08:22:33 AM
I love the smell of horsepower in the morning.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 09:27:32 AM
I'm heading out to the salt.  Reports/photos asap.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 10:08:28 AM
Good Morning, Bonneville.  Here we are -- the first morning of the first day of the Shootout 2011.  We'll be starting with motorcycles.

First of all -- last night when I posted a list of who's running -- I forgot Erin Hunter and Andy Sills.  They're going to be running a BMW S1000 -- looking for an unofficial record 'cause there is no class for a two-up bike.  Yep - a few years ago these two ran a BMW K1200 bike at about 169 two-up, and this year they're hoping that they can go in the 190+ range on the new bike.  They're on the bike right now and heading for the far end start line.

Also right now  - Richard Assen is heading for the far end to make his first run of the meet.  I don't know who'll go first, but it'll be a bike.

I'll post this to let you know I'm on the job - and then get back.  I think Nancy's taken a few photos and you'll get them, too.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: joea on September 19, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
lets say they run 190 something on the bmw....wonder if
one of the boosted bikes would put one of the crew on theirs
and make a 200 something run...
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 10:29:27 AM
Andy and Erin are about to leave the far end, with Andy steering and Erin holding on.  They'll swap for the return run.  As for putting them on a faster bike -- unh, not a lot of the 'Busa's etc -- have a passenger seat nor pegs and such.  But it'd be interesting. . .

The bike is underway.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 10:31:03 AM
They're through the eight mile.  The measured stretch is in the middle -- from the 5 1/2 to the 6 1/2.

Entry speed 173.9   kilo speed 173.4   mile speed 173.3

Richard Assen ran a 242 through the stretch - using all of the course, right to left, through the mile.

Both riders noted a piece of debris on the track -- and the guilty burrito wrapper has been located by course workers and removed.

Return runs soon.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 10:56:06 AM
Awaiting an FM radio to put out the webcast.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 11:00:28 AM
Now that we've got an hour or so 'til the bikes return -- I'm switching to smaller file sizes for photos so they'll load more quickly.  I'll get snapshots -- ask Ray for quality photos.

It'll be an hour before Richard is ready to run.  The bike doesn't shed heat quickly - and needs to have coolant below about 40C at the beginning of a run.  Right now - at the end -- it'll be about 70-80C.  So - the crew is blowing air through the radiator with a leaf blower (photo later).  They're cleaning tires, etc .  The bike was dripping muddy water from the bodywork when he came into the pits -- the course is sloppy down here at the freeway end.

Andy and Erin (Erin will drive on the return run) can go now, but because of the hassles of lockdowns and such -- both bikes will run in the same tiime slot.

Poteet and Main is about 45 minutes from ready to run.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: bak189 on September 19, 2011, 11:05:26 AM
And there is my answer.....if they allow two-up on a solo bike .....they would certainly allow a passenger in our sidecar....right.......NEXT YEAR...
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 11:07:28 AM
Bob, get in touch with Mike Cook.  Give him time to arrange with his legal folks -- and maybe you will be able to run with passenger in an outfit next time.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: joea on September 19, 2011, 11:19:17 AM
bak189....the FIM allows person on sidecar...the same FIM is at Cook Shootout...

did you ask the event organizers about your question..?..
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 11:29:15 AM
Other stuff:

Richard Assen's speed qualifies him for an AMA record, which he'll attempt to back up on the next run.  And - if the return AMA run is fast enough to qualify him for the FIM record -- that run will be acceptable (per FIM Charlie) as a down run for the FIM.  Got that?

Speed Demon is being loaded on the trailer, Nearburg's engine is being tuned and warmed, Nish is still in the pits with no engine noise recently (don't know what they're doing).

Speed Demon is noqw leaving the pits to go to the 12 mile (far end).
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: bak189 on September 19, 2011, 11:32:11 AM
Yes, we know FIM allows for a passenger and/or 60kg ballast.....AMA also allows for a passenger and/or
132lbs. ballast.........We will check with Mike prior to next years Shoot Out..........
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Freud on September 19, 2011, 11:48:00 AM
Thanks SSS.

FREUD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 11:50:40 AM
Here come the photos:

Andy Sills and Erin Hunter leaving on their 2-up unofficial record run,

SSS doing his thing on the computer and...

...a coupla shots of the Nish "Frankenstein" liner.  Mike isn't too happy with the wet nature of the course, so he may run later today or tomorrow.  It's a little damp out there.  There's about 1/8 mile of water between the pits and the freeway at the end of the course.  I'll include a photo in the next post.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 11:52:38 AM
Continuing updates:  Assen and BMW will make runs from pits to mountain in a little while - 15 min?  Poteet & Main is moving down the course to the mountain end, and might run after the bikes.  But Nearburg is also about ready and will run before Poteet, but Nearburg will run from pits to mountain (south to north).

I don't know why the Nearburg car wants to run from pits - since the quick turnaround (1 hour) seems to bed easier when they're at the full pits, not the portable ones at the far end.  Maybe I can find out why.  

Getting ready to lock down the course.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 12:03:18 PM
Two shots of the Ack Attack and 2 of Charles Nearburg's Spirit of Rett and a couple of Ack Attack.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 12:04:20 PM
Here's the last batch of photos taken with the camera set for big files.  Nancy tooik these in the pits after the two bikes got here this morning.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0437.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0438.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0439.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0440.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0441.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0442.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0443.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0444.jpg)

We're enjoying some questions/drama right now -- Erin and Andy are heading down the course like maybe they're going to start at the far end, even though they were to start here.  Wo knows -- not us?  Fire is trying to chase 'em down now.  

Ah -- the Nearburg car is going to go towards the mountain -- starting from the 1 1/2.  I don't know if it's a full-bore run they're planning -- or just a tuneup.  They want to start that far up to avoid the mud and bumps down here at the pit end.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 12:11:32 PM
Richard is in position to start the motor, and the crew (retrieval crew) is at the eight mile now.  Nearburg is about to leave the pit.

Assen crew is parked, Assen (519 bike) bike is starting now.

519 approaching the five mile.  Entry speed  254.7   kilo speed 253.216  mile 253.570  Engine off and coasting down.  Bike is slowing, under control.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 12:16:41 PM
Erin and Andy - bike #2 - ready and waiting, checking for course clearance now.  Tower says track is clear.

In the meantime, the Assen 519 bike is now qualified for a return run for FIM, and has backed up the AMA record with this run.

Hunh - Andy is the rider and Erin the passenger again for this run.

Pulling onto track, will leave the start in a moment.

They're through the three mile and accelerating.

Entry speed for Andy and Erin:  178.2   kilo speed  178.6   mile 178.6

Nearburg is getting in the vehicle now.  Track camera being serviced, probably about 5 minutes 'til Nearburg runs.

A few minutes - - Nearburg in in the car, belts being tightened, getting ready for a run.

Interesting dilemma -- Nearburg is going to make a run now for tuning, and Assen is in the midst of a two-hour window  for his record -- so who gets to run?  If Nearburg drops parts on the course when running first -- will there be enough time to sweep and clean the course before Assen runs?

George Poteet is in the Speed Demon, waiting for the debating society to complete the fun.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 12:23:03 PM
Howard Nafzger who built what is now the Spirit of Rett liner,

"Anti-Monkey Butt Powder" wrap on a van (Yeah, I know it's real stuff: http://www.antimonkeybutt.com/ (http://www.antimonkeybutt.com/) but it's still strange.)

Richard Assen's 'Busa

Andy Sills and his BMW being ridden as a "two-up" bike with Erin Hunter as passenger.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 12:33:16 PM
Whoa, I'm getting cornfused.  I guess it will be Nearburg starting in about a minute.  Updates to follow.

Engine running, canopy down, car under way on the push truck.

Through the two mile and accelerating -- hear it here in the pits.  At the three mile, second gear.

Through the five, entering timed stretch, entry speed 376,  kilo  386, mile 386

Chute out at the nine, car slowing.  Sweeping the track now for the return runs of the bikes.

Course sweep reports that the track surface at the middle area is so hard that there aren't any visible tracks from the Nearburg car's pass.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: jl222 on September 19, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
 
  Thanks Slim and Ray...this is great. Nice to sit here and get coverage :cheers:


               JL222
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 19, 2011, 12:43:38 PM
Any ideas on what records or classes these guys are running on? Same as last year? Diff this year?

Jon
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 12:53:00 PM
Poteet and Main vehicle #715 has started engine.  Should move within a minute.

I don't have class/engine size data - will get it as the event moves on.  Speed Demon is under way.

Car is moving, at the two mile.

Through the two mile, chute is out, slowing.  Driver has reported smoke in the cockpit, car has stopped on the track in front of the tower, fire and ambulance are rolling, course is unlocked.

The Speed Demon is back in the pit, being moved into the work area.

About 45 minutes left in the 2-hour FIM window for Richard's return run.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 01:31:30 PM
Richard and the 519 bike about ready to run, putting things into lockdown.  He'll run from the mountain end to here.  I'll go chase folks out of the course area (I'm the pit area stweard, too) and be back in a few minutes.

He's on the course at the three mile.  Entering timing trap./

243. entry,   kilo 243.2  mile  243.8

Don't know if that's good enough.  Through the four and driving here to the pits.

Erin and Andy next -- should run within a minute or two.  Starting engine, bike is rolling.  519 is in the pit.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 01:37:00 PM
Followup on the P&M Speed Demon:  George smelled oil and saw a wisp of smoke in the cockpit so he shut it down.  No damage according to the crew members.  They're confident of a 450 run next time (crossing fingers.)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 01:41:45 PM
BMW is on the course.  Entering timing trap   155.4 entry,  kilo 154.8   mile 154.2  Still don't know who's driving.

Erin was driving, Andy riding, and they're back in the pits. 
they say they were looking for a 150 - 155 run.  As it was ERin's first two-up pass on this bike, and on this salty mud surface -- they wanted to stay around the 150 range.

We're on a half-hour lunch break.  C U soon.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 01:48:09 PM
Sound check?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 19, 2011, 01:50:27 PM
Whats the link again?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 01:52:07 PM
Meridix.com, search "landracing."
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: vintage racer on September 19, 2011, 01:52:15 PM
Coming in fine in San Diego.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 01:52:52 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 19, 2011, 01:54:00 PM
Gotcha load and clear  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 19, 2011, 02:06:22 PM
For others


http://www.meridix.com/everywhere.php?liveid=landracing
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 02:18:47 PM
Junior Cook was saying (over a burger from the Enola Gay Cafe, about which subject I'll have more in a few lines), that George Poteet was cookin at about 380 in 4th gear -- when he noticed the smoke in the cockpit and shit down/pulled the chute.  Tghe crew then realized that there was a new access into the cockpit and that allowed some smoke - maybe from a turbo wrap or something - that George noted.  Please -- I heard this from Junior and I might not have reported the absolute correct stuff since it is now third-hand.  They're thrashing in the pit now, hope to have the Speed Demon on the trailer soon, and then soon head down for another try.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 19, 2011, 02:46:15 PM
Quote
George Poteet was cookin at about 380 in 4th gear

At Speedweek George ran 426 with a 4/5 shift at 371. Sounds like a 450 run is coming!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 02:52:17 PM
Richard Assen is on the way down to the start, and Andy and Erin (Erin steering) are just this minute riding out of the pits and to the position where they start.  Poteet and Main car is on the trailer and moving down course.

AMA Drew Gatewood and FIM Charlie are on the way to the start area (a couple of miles down from here), as are the two bikes.  44 minutes left for Assen to make his return run.

Poteet and Main will run right after the bikes complete their runs.  Nearburg is in the pit with some bodywork off the car.

About one minute 'til lockdown for the bikes.  Wind is zero at the tower right now, ranging from zero to about five over the last hour.

While we wait, thanks to Top One Oil for lunch vouchers for crew and workers and officials.  The Enola Gay Cafe is set up out here for food, and Top One has been kind enough to buy lunches for us all for the entire week.  Thanks - and for those of you at home -- thank them when you can, as you can.  We appreciate it.

Oh, yeah - and Loctite is out here again this year.  I don't see quite as much free swag as they handed out last year, but they do have a booth set up and are stocked with product and souvenirs.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 03:00:47 PM
Jamie Wagner's "hauler."  He told me that he bought it as "something that had been in a movie."  I guess you could say it'd "been in a movie."  :)

(http://chevyasylum.com/lsr/bsf2004/wfi/20041008/20041008_29r8.jpg)

If I'd looked at the front of the thing I would have known and not had to search my web site.

Also Jamie's bike "naked" (in a sense) without any stickers on it.

Leslie Porterfield and a crewmember getting one of her bikes out of the trailer.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 03:01:59 PM
Salt is now being locked down.  Bike 519/Assen will run first, heading from about the three mile towards Floating Island.  

Hey, did I tell you that we've got the audio streaming stuff going?  I think others did -- but it's working.  Max ixs in the tower with James Rice, and you'll hear now only the CB and the FM but also some chatter in the tower.

Assen in moving up the course.

On the course, gaining speed.  Entering timed stretch.  Through five,  entry speed  257.4   kilo  229, mile 234.  Tower reports he got a bit loose in the middle and had to back out.  Sure enough - -  He's still riding, but slowing and out of the timed stretch, through the eight.

He's off the course by Dan Warner's position.  Will run Erin and Andy in a minute or so.  Still locked down.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 03:06:38 PM
BMW is starting the motor now.  Bike is on course.  Entering the two mile. heading for the three.

Through the three, Erin is driving and Andy is sittin' in the back seat.

Entering the timed stretch:  entry speed 172.4   kilo  172.0   mile  172.1

Speed Demon recovery truck is moving to the 6 mile - center of the course -- so the car can run.  It'll take a minute or two to get things rearranged, so hang on, go to the bathroom, we'll be ready to run in a few minutes.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Fryan13 on September 19, 2011, 03:15:03 PM
Any news or idea about when the Ack Attack is going to run?

Thanks
Fryan13
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 03:22:00 PM
Poteet is in the car, the engine is running, the canopy is going down.  Course is locked down, ready for a run of the Speed Demon #715.


Car is moving on the push truck, now off the truck and roaring!

Through the 10 and the chute is out. Run aborted.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: hutchamatic on September 19, 2011, 03:26:43 PM
Any speed info?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 03:29:01 PM
Some photos of Richard Assen:

Returning from one run,

Getting leathers on,

Bike on the trailer heading out to the course.  The way the course is (see last photo) cars and bikes are starting from about the 2.5 mile mark for their runs from the pit to the mountain end and it's hard to keep track of which run a team is on. 

The photo of the mud flats shows why they're not starting there.  It's pretty messy and slippery...even on foot...at this end (pit.)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 03:30:05 PM
Poteet's run was aborted because the driver's air bottle wasn't turned on.  Oops.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 03:33:21 PM
Poteet will return to the start and try again.  Shouldn't be more than a few minutes.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: hutchamatic on September 19, 2011, 03:46:03 PM
Thanks, Got to keep a check on  my boss. :-)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 03:54:46 PM
Any reviews on what we are broadcasting from here at the timing stand?  We have the CB chatter, the FM radio announcements and the conversations in the area of the equipment.

Good, bad, informative?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 19, 2011, 03:57:57 PM
Very Good :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JoshH on September 19, 2011, 04:00:31 PM
Is anyone else having issues with the audio? I keep getting disconnected; tried both explorer and firefox, same result.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 04:02:27 PM
Speed Demon's support truck is moving up the couse to the half-way point -- where they stay during the launch of the car.  With that information it's safe to say we're within about five minutes or so of another attempt.  

The Nish car and the Ack Attack bike are both in the pits and awaiting tomorrow.  Nearburg car is under an awning, bodywork still off.  Assen and Sills/Hunter down the course someplace - no information.  Ditto nothing new on Leslie Porterfield and Jamie Wagner.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 04:04:21 PM
It may drop on your computer if it's wanting to go into sleep mode.  While we got a late start, no glitches on the output (so far).
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: charlie101 on September 19, 2011, 04:07:44 PM
The FM is disturbing somewhat but not bad, it sounds good here in Sweden. I've been disconnected a couple of times.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 04:13:05 PM
George just ran -- as I was chasing an interloper.  439 entry, 442 kilo, shut down.

Sorry I missed part of that run, but a "spectator" car had been given permission to head to the pit from Land's End.  But he decided to start spiining donuts near the course -- while the Speed Demon was making the run.  I was closerst to go chase him down.

The word is that the Speed Demon has just run  entry  439, 442.8  442.8 mile  446 exit.  That's the fastest car for a Cook Land Speed Shootout\ and fastest piston engine car.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 19, 2011, 04:16:38 PM
What category FIA is poteet & Main running under???
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 19, 2011, 04:16:48 PM
Sweeeettttt... Go George....

I guess Burklands will have to bring the car back out.... Hard to argue salt isn't good enough when a car does 439 mph....

Jon
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 19, 2011, 04:17:01 PM
What category FIA is poteet & Main running under???
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 19, 2011, 04:17:40 PM
what catagory is ANYBODY running? Details we need to know?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 19, 2011, 04:17:56 PM
442 kilo!!!!!!!!!! WOW.

Speed Demon and Spirit of Rett both ran a 417 kilo last year. Both had a fastest speed last year of 422.

442
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 19, 2011, 04:18:10 PM
and 446mph exit with an early chute. Wow!!! Hope they get it turned around in an hour  :-)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 19, 2011, 04:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tom Slick on September 19, 2011, 04:18:10 PM
and 446mph exit with an early chute. Wow!!! Hope they get it turned around in an hour  :-)

Fingers crossed. :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: hutchamatic on September 19, 2011, 04:26:40 PM
Cool. Hope everything went well.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: charlie101 on September 19, 2011, 04:27:38 PM
Thank you for shutting down the FM, that's better!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 19, 2011, 04:29:00 PM
Just occured to me that George Poteet just may have the most runs over 400 mph ever.????

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 19, 2011, 04:29:10 PM
Go Andy and Erin!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 19, 2011, 04:30:22 PM
Quote from: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 04:13:05 PM
and fastest piston engine car.

Umm I think Burkland had a 450 mph run, exit speed at a WOS event. For sure Poteet fastest ever at Cook event, but not Piston Engine outright... They are very close with with a very large disadvantage on Cubic inches, or is it a disadvantage.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 04:30:50 PM
Speed Demon is running FIA rules:  A  I  10, that's A for special construction wheel driven vehicle, I (Roman numeral "one") for supercharged or turbocharged recipricating engine, and Class 10 for 5 to 8 liter (306 to 448 cubic inches---Speed Demon is 447 c.i.).
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 04:35:14 PM
Assen bike -- entry 246.5,  kilo 245.6, mile 248.  He's in the pit right now.

Andy and Erin (Andy riding) went 176.6 entry, 177.0 kilo, 177.0 mile.

Speed Demon is going back onto the track.  A rear seal came out of the trans but they'll run anyway.  About 20 minutes remain in the 1 hour window.  Fire has been notified -- they'll kniow what any smoke MIGHT be, and they'll also move their station a bit on the track to be able to help if needed.

As for classes -- Nearburg's team didn't know - just showed me the SCTA class on the tail -- A/FS.  Poteet and Main have a mildly hurt car and are thrashing.  Nish is in Cat. A Group 2 Class 11, the class that the Nearburg car broke the Summers Brothers record last year.  Mike Akatiff didn't remember his class.  Leslie is in the AMA M PS 2000 BF and Al is in M PS 1000 BF.

Poteet and Main is right in front of us and about ready to roll -- George is "hot to trot" per Mike Cook.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 04:46:49 PM
They're starting the Speed Demon engine now -- but it hasn't caught yet.  Checking the battery run from the push truck.  Duttweiler looking into the cockpit with George - cranking.  No start yet -- 23 minutes remain 'til they must break the light at the exit.

Electrical malfunction -- pushing the Speed Demon back to the pit.  Still hoping to get it fixed and make the run.  Nothing further yet.  About 21 minutes now.

For those who don't remember, for FIA a record attempt, comprising two complete runs, ends when the vehicle breaks the light on the way out of the timed stretch at the end of the second pass, and begins when the vehicle breaks the light on the way into the first run.

19 minutes remain.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 04:55:22 PM
Here's my guess:  When the car wasn't cranking I saw both Ron Main and Kenny Duttweiler were back and forth to the heavy leads from the support truck to the car.  They've fiddled and fiddled - and look like they're pushing the car out to the track now.  I'm going to guess they've had a failure in the electric starter and are going to push-start the car.  About 15 minutes left in the window.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 19, 2011, 04:57:28 PM
Looks like 75 tuning in online like myself, the broadcast is MUCH appreciated! :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 05:01:58 PM
8 Minutes remain, engine on the Speed Demon not running yet.  I can hear it cranking, though. . .

Must push off within the next five minutes or they won't make it, per James Rice in the timing tower.

Engine is running!!!  Must roll in six mutes or less.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 19, 2011, 05:02:47 PM
Well, this is a nailbiter!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 19, 2011, 05:03:18 PM
Not getting any work done but I am loving the live audio!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 05:04:54 PM
Car is moving.  Car is off the truck and under way.

Past the mile and picking up speed.  Coasting at the two mile.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 05:05:12 PM
Nish Royal Purple is running FIA A II 11, Special construction, Blown, over 8 liter.

Spirit of Rett is A  II  10, described earlier for Speed Demon and the current record holder

Depending how things go, Nish may switch to A II 9, 3 to 5 liter.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 19, 2011, 05:07:06 PM
Man, tranny issues again! This is some high stakes poker.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 05:09:13 PM
Poteet and Main returning to the tower, and we'll be "unlocked" soon.  Nothing on the near-term horizon.  Assen is at least an hour away.  Leslie and Al are having Drew scrutineer their bikes now.  That's that for a while.

Per Drew - Leslie and Al will not run 'til tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 05:15:04 PM
Here's what I hear from Ray, who was taking photos of the Poteet and Main car in the pits:

The car's data logging showed that on the down run, about an hour ago (now), the alternator was not charging the battery.  So they didn't have enough to start the car for the return.  They brought out a small charger/small generator to top off the in-car battery for the return, and it was charging well.  But they didn't have enough to start the car.  So they brought out a bigger charger (jump starter) to start it -- but that drew so much that they stalled the little generator.  So they ran for and brought out a bigger generator, which made enough for the big charger to start the car, and George left.  But then -- when the computer starting pulling big amps during the run -- there wasn't enough juice and things came to a halt.

At least -- that's the theory that we'll offer for now.  The car will be back in the pit in a little while and maybe Ray will get some more story for you.  He took about 700 photos (his words) while the car was down here -- let's see what he says when he posts.  In the meantime -- nothing going on for a while.  Go have a cold drink.  Gentle winds here in the pits - about 3-5 from the north, and temp about 75.  Gee, you oughta be here -- Nancy's enjoying the weather, just hanging out in the sun and getting some rays.  I'll look at her for you, guys.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 19, 2011, 05:17:18 PM
Hi Betty from Bob Collier :-)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: hutchamatic on September 19, 2011, 05:19:20 PM
Yall guys are greatg with the updates.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 05:34:17 PM
A coupla quick things and then I'll get to some photos:  The engine in the Demon is 347 CID.  It's a C class SCTA motor.  They also had a leaking seal in the transmission and possibly a final drive problem...that one remains to be seen. 

Just before George's run, there was a Camaro which had been given permission to drive from Land's End to the pits.  That was ok, except the driver decided to spin donuts before he got to the pits...in between the two locations.  This was just as they called the course clear for Poteet to make his qualifier.

I may have told SSS the wrong thing about the reason for George's abort on the return run.  A spectator told me that he heard the motor running, but apparently no final drive.  So what I wrote in the first paragraph may have been the reason for the abort.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 19, 2011, 05:38:29 PM
The dork in the Camaro should be removed from the salt period.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 19, 2011, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: Glen on September 19, 2011, 05:38:29 PM
The dork in the Camaro should be removed from the salt period.

X2
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bret Kepner on September 19, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
Thanks so much for the feed, Moxnix...from your buddy in Crestwood.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 19, 2011, 05:48:56 PM
Slim, this blow by blow thing is way cool. I'm about 100 miles down wind & its blowing its buttoff here. Hows the wind there??
  Sid.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 05:54:35 PM
Hey Brett.  

I live over in Webster Groves, neighbor.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 05:56:18 PM
Photos:

Camaro driver playing Dukes of Haphazard.  He was seen by a spectator leaving the area...I think he got rather ignominiously pitched off the salt.

A little crowbar work on the final drive...could this be part of the problem?

The little charger that couldn't.

Hard to show the sound of the engine exhaust, but there's a bit of rich exhaust coming outta the pipes.  This was when it started with the BIG charger.

I can't help but wonder if the failure might not have been as bad as it all seems.  First, the qualifier wasn't the 450 that George wanted.  Second, that drive problem may have been bigger than it appeared at first.  I'm just guessing, but it could have been a safety thing.

More info as I get it.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 05:58:46 PM
Quote from: kiwi belly tank on September 19, 2011, 05:48:56 PM
Slim, this blow by blow thing is way cool. I'm about 100 miles down wind & its blowing its buttoff here. Hows the wind there??
  Sid.

Wind has been near zero most of the day.  However, in the last half-hour, it's picked up to around 5-10 mph.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 19, 2011, 06:02:11 PM
Thanks Ray, hard to get any work done with my heart still at the salt. You & Slim are heros here!
  Sid.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: bak189 on September 19, 2011, 06:07:56 PM
Any and all posts here on Landracing.com  in the past that have noted that being a passenger in a LSR sidecar is NOT SAFE......take a look at how the passenger is riding on the BMW.....at least in the sidecar we have several welded on handholds, not the driver/riders waist...................................................

I would certainly say that "insurance must allow it"  unlike SCTA/BNI "insurance will not allow it".........
(sidecar passengers)...

PS. Great reporting by all you people.............................
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: trimmers on September 19, 2011, 06:08:34 PM
Slim:

Could you please advise the Rice Bros's FM frequency?  After a few days at home after WoS, I'm heading back that way from Boise in the morning, and I'd like to monitor it once I get near.

Thanks,
Jeff
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: John Noonan on September 19, 2011, 06:12:39 PM
I spoke with Mike (Owner of the Ack Attack) and he said they will make a run today later in the afternoon if the wind dies down however not a full boogie pass just a "tuning pass under 150 mph"

He also stated the wind had picked up and was hoping for a calm early morning run, as Mike said, with Poteet running 446 he can't say the course is no good.  :wink:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 06:20:40 PM
The meet is over for the day.  No cars are able to/interested in running, and ditto for the bikes -- the wind is up too much for any real safe and fast runs.  Fire and ambulance have been released.

I'll pot this so you can do some work - then fill in more details about tomorrow.  (post)

Mike Cook says he'll be meeting with the riders and drivers about plans, and the fire and ambulance crews have been told to be back on the salt at 8 tomorrow morning.  More if I hear it.

Earlier Poteet ran 442.854 in the mile (someone wanted to know, James Rice just confirmed).
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: charlie101 on September 19, 2011, 06:22:05 PM
Great coverage. Thanks for today.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 19, 2011, 06:51:26 PM
The players:
George PoteetSpeed DemonFIA A  I  10, Special construction wheel driven vehicle, I for blown, and Class 10 for 5 to 8 liter (Speed Demon is 447 c.i.)
Mike NishRoyal PurpleFIA A II 11, Special construction, Blown, over 8 liter
Charles NearburgSpirit of RettSCTA A/FS (FIA unknown)
Rocky RobinsonAck AttackSCTA S BG 3000
Leslie PorterfieldAMA M PS 2000 BF
Al LambAMA M PS 1000 BF
Richard AssenMPS-1350-BG
Erin Hunter and Andy SillsBMW S1000
Nancy Wennerberg
Jamie Wagner
Monday recapEntryKiloMileExitNotes
27:29Andy & Erin173.900173.400173.300
5197:31Richard Assen242.000
5199:11Richard Assen254.700253.216253.570AMA record
29:16Andy & Erin178.200178.600178.600
11229:33Charles NearburgSpirit of Rett376.000386.000386.000
7159:53George PoteetSpeed DemonChute out at two mile, smoke reported. No problems found.
51910:31Richard Assen243.000243.200243.800FIM record?
210:41Erin & Andy155.400154.800154.200
212:06Erin & Andy172.400172.000172.100
71512:22George PoteetSpeed DemonRun aborted. Air bottle not turned on.
7151:13George PoteetSpeed Demon439.000442.854446.000
5191:35Richard Assen246.500245.600248.000
21:35Erin & Andy176.600177.000177.000
7152:04George PoteetSpeed DemonCoasting at the two mile. Electrical problems.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 19, 2011, 07:05:08 PM
Dean,

As always you have a nice recap at the end.

John and Ray great reporting today, keep up the great digital footage.

Thanks all,
Jon Amo
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 19, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
According to the Ugo Fadini LSR Models page on Tom Burkland, at the 2000 World of Speed Tom went 405.282 in the 4th mile, 438.815 in the 5th mile and terminal speed 450.225.

George Poteet has the fastest piston engine mile speed with 442.854. Was there an exit speed?

Don Vesco ran 459.921 in the mile with the turbine powered Turbinator.

Ron? George? Is it possible?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 07:28:33 PM
Hey, if any of you have friends out here on the salt, I'm done for the day and wandering through heaven on earth withy my begging bowl looking for swag for the Wendover museum in the works.  Ask your buds on a team if they have a signed T-shirt or poster, which can be left at the Landracing pit for Max.  Thanks.  I promise not to sell it on fleaBay, it's going into the mayor of Wendover's care before I leave town. 
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bret Kepner on September 19, 2011, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 05:54:35 PM
Hey Brett. I live over in Webster Groves, neighbor.

I know...hence, the comment!  :wink:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 19, 2011, 07:38:05 PM
Quote from: Dean Los Angeles on September 19, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
According to the Ugo Fadini LSR Models page on Tom Burkland, at the 2000 World of Speed Tom went 405.282 in the 4th mile, 438.815 in the 5th mile and terminal speed 450.225.

George Poteet has the fastest piston engine mile speed with 442.854. Was there an exit speed?

Don Vesco ran 459.921 in the mile with the turbine powered Turbinator.

Ron? George? Is it possible?

Poteet was reported at have a 446.000 exit speed. So with that in mind then Burkland will still have the fastest speed recorded for piston engine at 450.225 mph, Poteet and crew will have the fastest piston engine mile speed at 442.854 mph.

The fastest wheel driven mph will still stand with Vesco  Turbinator at 459.021 mile speed, and exit was 470.298 mph.


All makes sense right?

Jon Amo
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 19, 2011, 07:39:44 PM
Thank you Jon, Ray and everyone else for your great reporting from the salt. The live audio is fantastic, I cannot wait to tune in tomorrow  :cheers: I hope you all know how much you are appreciated by us poor saps that cannot be there in person. Jon, I wish it could be more but my donation to the site will be sent tonight.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bret Kepner on September 19, 2011, 07:41:13 PM
Vesco: wheel-driven single turbine engine
Burkland: wheel-driven multiple piston engines
Poteet: wheel-driven single piston engine

That's the official Amo reference sheet.

If I remember correctly, they don't use an exit trap at the FIA meet. Am I correct or senile?  
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Stan Back on September 19, 2011, 07:47:43 PM
Both
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: jl222 on September 19, 2011, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Dean Los Angeles on September 19, 2011, 06:51:26 PM
The players:
George PoteetSpeed DemonFIA A  I  10, Special construction wheel driven vehicle, I for blown, and Class 10 for 5 to 8 liter (Speed Demon is 447 c.i.)
Mike NishRoyal PurpleFIA A II 11, Special construction, Blown, over 8 liter
Charles NearburgSpirit of RettSCTA A/FS (FIA unknown)
Rocky RobinsonAck AttackSCTA S BG 3000
Leslie PorterfieldAMA M PS 2000 BF
Al LambAMA M PS 1000 BF
Richard AssenMPS-1350-BG
Erin Hunter and Andy SillsBMW S1000
Nancy Wennerberg
Jamie Wagner
Monday recapEntryKiloMileExitNotes
27:29Andy & Erin173.900173.400173.300
5197:31Richard Assen242.000
5199:11Richard Assen254.700253.216253.570AMA record
29:16Andy & Erin178.200178.600178.600
11229:33Charles NearburgSpirit of Rett376.000386.000386.000
7159:53George PoteetSpeed DemonChute out at two mile, smoke reported. No problems found.
51910:31Richard Assen243.000243.200243.800FIM record?
210:41Erin & Andy155.400154.800154.200
212:06Erin & Andy172.400172.000172.100
71512:22George PoteetSpeed DemonRun aborted. Air bottle not turned on.
7151:13George PoteetSpeed Demon439.000442.854446.000
5191:35Richard Assen246.500245.600248.000
21:35Erin & Andy176.600177.000177.000
7152:04George PoteetSpeed DemonCoasting at the two mile. Electrical problems.

  foto on pg 4 reply #47 shows Nish motor unblown  :?

              JL222
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 19, 2011, 08:17:31 PM
Quote from: JonAmo on September 19, 2011, 07:38:05 PM
Quote from: Dean Los Angeles on September 19, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
According to the Ugo Fadini LSR Models page on Tom Burkland, at the 2000 World of Speed Tom went 405.282 in the 4th mile, 438.815 in the 5th mile and terminal speed 450.225.

George Poteet has the fastest piston engine mile speed with 442.854. Was there an exit speed?

Don Vesco ran 459.921 in the mile with the turbine powered Turbinator.

Ron? George? Is it possible?

Poteet was reported at have a 446.000 exit speed. So with that in mind then Burkland will still have the fastest speed recorded for piston engine at 450.225 mph, Poteet and crew will have the fastest piston engine mile speed at 442.854 mph.

The fastest wheel driven mph will still stand with Vesco  Turbinator at 459.021 mile speed, and exit was 470.298 mph.


All makes sense right?

Jon Amo

Sure does  :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 19, 2011, 08:19:25 PM
Quote from: Bret Kepner on September 19, 2011, 07:41:13 PM
Vesco: wheel-driven single turbine engine
Burkland: wheel-driven multiple piston engines
Poteet: wheel-driven single piston engine

That's the official Amo reference sheet.

If I remember correctly, they don't use an exit trap at the FIA meet. Am I correct or senile?  

Doesn't matter if you are right or wrong - your still senile.
The Rice Brothers have a trap speed setup, they have in the past. And your still senile.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 19, 2011, 08:48:43 PM
....and...the Demon's motor is 347, not 447.

I was wrong about the cause of the Demon's aborted run.  The Ack Attack's motor was running so I didn't hear George searching for a gear and only finding a box gull of neutrals.  Seems that according to their data logger, there were 2 spikes in the wheel speed...one when he crossed the aquifer and again when he apparently hit a hole in the salt.  The 2nd spike was followed by the driveshaft/pinion yoke breaking.  Seems somehow strangely familiar.  I know of a certain Monte Carlo that did the same thing.

The reason for the "minor adjustment" with the crowbar shown in an earlier photo was the transmission's rear seal sliding out of place and the crowbar was used to stuff it back in.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 19, 2011, 08:58:57 PM
I hope it's not like last year where Speed Demon had big boom speeds on Monday, and the rest of the week just big booms.

Hey, and a shout out to Spirit of Rett with a 386.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: joea on September 19, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
speed demon is already a winner with their run in my book, doesnt
matter what else they do this week..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   fastest single engine
wheel driven speed in history....
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 19, 2011, 10:32:51 PM
The FIA visitors were out at the tower hoping to see a 400 mph run before they fly out tomorrow.  Speed Demon did not disappoint them. 
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Wester on September 19, 2011, 10:33:14 PM
Howard Nafzger who built the liner now known as the 'Spirit of Rhett" was on the salt today for the first time in eight years.  He was thrilled to be back although he is walking with a walker and still has a bandage on the knee that was replaced not long ago.  He has  had a tough couple of years losing his wife and son.  I hope this is a happy return for him and hope the liner does well for him to see.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Wester on September 19, 2011, 10:36:36 PM
The FIA and FIM folks reminded me of the Olympic officials who were in SLC before the 2002 bids.  Remember the stories?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: John Noonan on September 19, 2011, 10:48:56 PM
Mike and Rocky are done for the event  :|
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bob Drury on September 19, 2011, 10:53:57 PM
  Earl Wooten proved that Howard designed and built one hell of a car.  It's just a Dodge shame that Howard wasn't able to run the car himself, but he still deserves a feather in his hat (if not a entire headdress of Eagle feathers...........).                        
 :cheers: :cheers:  Bob
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 19, 2011, 11:03:24 PM
John, I didn't see any of the story posted -- but you may be right.  For those of you that haven't heard, here's the story about the Ack Attack bike a few hours ago - after the meet ended for the day.

The Ack team took the bike out, without any body panels, for some low-speed (50-100 mph) testing, including the traction control system.  The motors were running for the tests.  We had left -- so I heard this from Mike Cook, didn't see it myself.

The bike was running and the traction control stuttered (best way Cook described it) and then the rear (drive) wheel went up to speed.  The hit, he reports, was similar to the hit when a 2-stroke motor comes on the pipe -- chug-chug-chug- kablamm!!  The rear wheel spun and kicked the bike sideways -- and the bike then pencil rolled about a dozen times.

Rocky wasn't seriously hurt - in fact, he called Tricia and talked with her, and she went out to the salt to meet with him and the rest of the crew, and then Rocky and Tricia rode in an ambulance to a hospital in SLC for observation of Rocky.  He's not seriously injured -- but hurts here and there and every danged place.  They'll check him over, under, around and through.

The bike may or may not be repairable in time to run again at this meet.  As I mentioned, the body panels weren't on it, so while they're okay -- the exposed parts may have been damaged or scrubbed into the surface of the track.  We won't know about it 'til morning - at the earliest.  For that matter -- we won't know Rocky's condition 'til then, either.

End of story for now.  I don't have further details yet -- will fill you in tomorrow.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: John Noonan on September 19, 2011, 11:13:35 PM
Jon,

The bike and Rocky are done for the event, even if Rocky felt OK Mike will not allow it to be run until the crew can pull it down and fully inspect it to deem it safe.  The will load up tomorrow and most likely leave tomorrow.  Rocky has some bruising already and is pretty sore however is being checked out to make certain he is fine.


From my call it sounds like he also hit some mud/wet stuff and it may not have been just the TC coming in..

Great to hear from the team that Rocky looks OK...live to race another day!

Again, they are done for the event..
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Freud on September 20, 2011, 12:31:19 AM
Rock.......be patient. Mike will tell you the truth. You can't sway him. If it's OK you will run. If he isn't comfortable, You won't run.

This is no time for you to make a decision except to listen to him.

There's always tomorrow......even if it's a year from now.

Make it as easy on Tricia as you can.  She's your greatest supporter.

You have nothing to prove.

Get well faster.

FREUD

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 20, 2011, 01:44:21 AM
Positive thoughts and prayers to the Ack Attack Team, sorry to hear the news but it could be worse.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 20, 2011, 02:22:41 AM
Oh, no!!!  I'm sure some worse things could have happened, but I'm at a loss to put 'em into words.

Heal up soon, Rock.  There will be another day to race.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 20, 2011, 02:25:40 AM
That is terrible news. Good news Rocky is Ok is the single most important part of it all. I know talking to Ack off and on a few times this last month they had their troubles. From the installation of a stand alone traction control system, to a whole new harness, to motor issues to weeks on the dyno they sure busted some butt getting things done to be there. We talked alot about the TC control system to the motor issues.

From what I have heard already sounds like more than just simply TC. It is much more complex situation then just using the words Traction Control. How was it setup, how was it controlling the motor if slippage was sensed? Was is taking fuel away, limiting boost or was it done by timing. Will be interesting to hear what Ack finds out.

Sorry to hear this.

Jon Amo
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 10:26:25 AM
Sorry to hear about the incident, main thing is that Rocky's ok.,
Anything going on this AM, how about Main and Poteet, are they able to fix it.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 20, 2011, 10:30:11 AM
What a shame. I'm glad to hear that Rocky is ok. Go home, regroup and come back swinging next year boys! And don't forget, you're still the fastest two wheeler in the world.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 10:32:51 AM
The first run of the morning is underway.  Erin Hunter riding, Andy passenger-ing, just left the pit end -- from the 1 1/2 mile.  Next will be Richard Assen.

Erin's time:  entry speed:  184.7    kilo   184.9  mile 185.0   Best run yet.  That's the two-up BMW, remember.  It's not an official class, but a number that'll be useful for BMW's marketing, for sure.  

Assen will roll as soon as Erin and Andy are off the track - within a minute or so.  (Post)

Richard is warming the engine.  We're patrol by Land's End -- can see the bikes starting from the 1 1/2 -- can even hear 'em.  Nice for a change.

He's under way.  Accelerating well -- whoops, spun it up in second.

In fifth, sputtering a tad, spun it in fifth, in high gear, through the three.

Entry speed for Richard Assen   2259.3   kilo  254.1  mile  254.6
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: joea on September 20, 2011, 10:38:20 AM
well if Ack is truly done...then im excited for next year shootout...!!!!!!

there is already something else positive about it....

and wow Erin and Andy...thats flying...GREAT PRESS FOR BMW...!!!!!

many modified 1000 bikes with one person on board cant hit 185 mph average for
a mile.....!!!!!

Joe :)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 10:39:33 AM
Next will be Leslie and Jamie running from the mountain.  We'll wait for some spectators and camera crews to move, then go.

Jamie will be next -- ten minutes or so.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 10:39:53 AM
Wheres the live radio today????
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: fredvance on September 20, 2011, 10:48:36 AM
I have it!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 10:51:21 AM
Glen, we'll have to wait for Max to check in with his situation.

Rocky's wife just called -- he's in Wendover, sleeping off the pain killers.  He was in hospital and was treated to a ride in the cat scan.  Nothing broken -- but he's beat up pretty well.  There's a good chance that he'll visit the salt later today.  Rocky's okay -- but sleeping it off here in Wendover.

Jamie Williams is on the track, mountain to pits, right now.  

Speeds for Williams:  entry  sounds like traction issues   speed:  entry   207.6   kilo   209.1  mile 208.9  Heads up in the pits -- sounds, according to tower, like he's on the throttle still.  Through the four/seven and now slowing.

One of the timing sensors has farkled according to Tower -- will be down for a few minutes while James visits and fixes.  Ever happen to you, Glen?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 10:57:28 AM
A few times over the years Jon.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 20, 2011, 10:58:25 AM
You know the black and blue hurts much worse the day after. Best wishes to Rocky.

Didn't I hear last year Mike Akatiff said it was his last.
The smell of 400 brought him back this year. I would hate to think they are done and done.

Jamie Wagner or Williams?

Something tells me that Richard Assen didn't have an entry speed of  2259.3
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 11:00:15 AM
Leslie's 1976 bike is warming up at the mountain end of the track.  Sorry about that typo -- Richard did not go 2259, I'm sure -- I wouldn't have been able to see it if he did.  Now you're gonna complain about my typos, hey?  I'm trying -- but sitting sidesaddle isn't the best typing position.

Bike 1976 is underway.

Through the three and accelerating.  Through the four, getting to the measured stretch.

Entry speed   slowing?    entry speed 170.7   kilo  174.9  mile  175.8  bike doesn't sound good per the tower.

She's back in the pits.  I'll be moving the truck for a minute or two.  Back soon.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 20, 2011, 11:20:22 AM
Audio in LIVE and loud and clear  :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 11:21:04 AM
Any up date on Poteet and Main as far as repairs and running again?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 20, 2011, 11:28:34 AM
My delayed start will be filed under the "no good deed goes unpunished" category.  Was ready to follow the fire & ambulance out and catch it all, did someone a quick favor, which I do not regret, emergency vehicles left for the tower, course went to lockdown and only the kind action of Dave Petrelli vouching for me got me out to the FIM start line for the bike starts, then out to the tower.  The great circle route.  Such is life.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 20, 2011, 11:28:41 AM
Early morning photos:

Speed Demon's driveshaft....they must use stronger stuff than I did with my car...it's not all twisted up.  :)

They've used their spare rear end.  I can't remember the make/model/etc. of the spare.

If I remember correctly, this rear end broke after the 1-2 shift on its first and (so far) only run last year.

A view of "Freeway Lake" at the end of the pits.  It's REALLY slippery on the mud in that area.

More in the next post (shots of the Ack Attack.)


Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 11:43:32 AM
Andy and Erin will run next -- engine is started.  By the way -- I hear she rode solo this morning, but for sure it's the two of 'em for this run.  Bike is under way.  Through the four mile, entering timed area.

Entry 182.7   kilo   182.7  mile 182.7  exit 182.7

Consistency rules!  Richard will be next -- a couple of minutes for Andy and Erin to clear the course back to the pits.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
Richard Assen, bike #519, is ready to run return run from mountain to pits.  Will run any minute now.

The 519 is under way and sounding strong as it leaves the mountain end, per Drew Gatewood (AMA steward working at that end of the course right now).

Through the two mile.  Through the four mile.  Entering timed area.   246.0  entry speed,       kilo 249.2  mile 249.1 mph
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 20, 2011, 11:50:03 AM
Not really sure how that is possible for same number for Kilo and Mile?

Jon
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 11:51:59 AM
How 'bout, Jon, if they were going exactly the same speed for the timed stretch?  In cruise, so to speak.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 20, 2011, 11:53:52 AM
More like it was up against the wall.
  Sid.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
need to see the 3 decimal points to be sure
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
Here's the story of what's what for the next runs:

Nish is trailering to the mountain end and will run next.  They started the motor in the pits -- sounded good, and yes, I'll accept the number that's being bandied about -- they're running about 20% in the tank, so says my nose and eyes.

Anyway, Nish will run first, mountain end to pit and perhaps back and nobody else will run 'til they've either qualified and returned or decided not to run more.  Then Charles Nearburg and the 1122 Spirit of Rett will do the same routine -- run towards the pits and return and nobody else will run 'til he's done with his set of runs.  Then -- the Speed Demon #715 will have the course for the same thing.

It'll be a while 'til more happens, to go do some work and keep the boss happy.  I'll try to let you know well in advance when it's time to take your next landracing.com break.

Speakiong of the three decimal points, Glen, the tower isn't reporting them to us.  I'm typing what Rice tells us.  I expect I could get them -- but for the sake of getting the numbers out quickly I haven't pestered James.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 20, 2011, 12:10:19 PM
Assen # 519, 249.278 kilo, mile 249.113
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 20, 2011, 12:29:19 PM
Damn!   :-(

Mike
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: John Noonan on September 20, 2011, 12:33:02 PM
Ouch..thanks for the pictures Ray..like I said they are done for the meet  :|

John
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 12:34:23 PM
the cage did it's job.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Freud on September 20, 2011, 12:41:05 PM
I was concerned about his wrist straps being on him.

FREUD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 12:41:57 PM
Nish is under way, on the course at the 2 and running well.  Sorry I didn't get any warning -- here he comes.

At the four mile and shut it off.  Is that white smoke - or salt spray.  Tower reports no smoke, idling and doing 130.  Sounds okay.

Nearburg car is running the engine here in the pits.

Here's the next bit -- Enola Gay cafe is about ready to serve lunch.  The Nish team has released the course.  Nearburg team is buttoning up the bodywork and is cleared to tow to the mountain end.  It'll likely be a half hour 'til they run.

Richard Assen is adding some lead to the swingarm.  All of the bikes are now sitting out the cars' turn, but may have time to run later this early afternoon.  Al Lamb says he'll run the M PS BF 1000 later today.  Leslie's bike is being tuned in the pit.  Erin and Andy are pleased with their run -- only a mile or two off, as a tandem/two-up, off the speed that Erin ran solo earlier today.

I talked with Scott Horner and Nancy's Ninjette 250 Turbo should arrive here at the pits at first light tomorrow (Wednesday) morning.  Some inspection and we'll start Nancy off with a tuning run.

The Ack crew is cleaning the bike a bit and readying it for transport.  Rocky is forecast to visit the pits later today.

Off to lunch at Enola Gay.  Thanks to Top One Oil for the free lunch tickets.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Jonny Hotnuts on September 20, 2011, 12:45:51 PM
Dont know if this was already covered but how fast was the ACK going when it went down?

~JH
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 20, 2011, 12:50:55 PM
Quote from: Jonny Hotnuts on September 20, 2011, 12:45:51 PM
Dont know if this was already covered but how fast was the ACK going when it went down?

~JH

When I talked to the USAC official, I mentioned that the liner must have been going quite a bit faster than the 60 or so mph they'd planned to run.  He said, "It just got away from him."  So it seems that they WERE going quite a bit faster than 60, but nobody has ventured an opinion (that I know of) regarding the speed.

Mike Akatiff is supposed to make a statement later today and there may be more info available at that time.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 12:56:38 PM
One of the Ack crew, who I won't name 'cause he didn't give me permission -- says he thinks Rocky was going about 80 -- and this crew person was in the support truck and following.  But he went on to say -- "Rocky will probably be out here later, and since he was the oe driving the bike -- ask him."

Mike Akatiff is just arriving - left Land's End and is heading to the pits.  Further . . . later.

The Nearburg car is slowly towing to the mountain end, and the Nish car has just been returned to the pits.  I'll let 'em work on it before I go pester to ask what happened.  Report - later.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 20, 2011, 01:05:20 PM
Bikes at speed:

Erin Hunter

Leslie Porterfield (NOT Linda Porterhouse as I heard her referred to yesterday)

Andy Sills and Erin Hunter (this photo just looks strange to me.  Maybe cuz I've never seen a 2-up racer before)

Richard Assen, who was really flyin...250 or so.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Freud on September 20, 2011, 01:08:37 PM
Good shutter speed, Ray.

FREUD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bob Drury on September 20, 2011, 01:10:20 PM
  I don't wish to be over critical of the situation, but what in the hell were they doing going out after the ambulance was released from duty?
  No matter what DID happen, what about the possibility of fire or a stuck throttle.
  I can't believe Mike Cook allowed them to go out on the course.
  The press could of had a field day.
  All involved are to blame for this mess.....................  Bob (and get well Rocky)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: joea on September 20, 2011, 01:21:07 PM
hey Ray or whoever...could you let Richard see that last posted pick at
speed...it was mentioned that they may be adding more ballast to the rear for
upcoming runs...

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 20, 2011, 01:29:27 PM
Bob,

Are you ok this morning? I'm sure these pictures were from earlier, and not when everybody was at lunch or when the ambulance was released.//

JA
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 20, 2011, 01:29:47 PM
Quote from: joea on September 20, 2011, 01:21:07 PM
hey Ray or whoever...could you let Richard see that last posted pick at
speed...it was mentioned that they may be adding more ballast to the rear for
upcoming runs...



Noticed the same thing Joe.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: bak189 on September 20, 2011, 01:38:19 PM
I know this post will get a few replies........but this 2-up BMW circus act is stupid, not only that.. but it is downright dangerous.  I am really surprised that that Mike C. allowed it.....I can only think it must involve cubic dollars......They are racing in no known national or international class, just doing it for kicks and maybe BMW advertising...
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Freud on September 20, 2011, 01:43:33 PM
Reminds me of side car racing.

FREUD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: 55chevr on September 20, 2011, 01:45:00 PM
Now you did it!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: John Noonan on September 20, 2011, 01:45:40 PM
Quote from: Freud on September 20, 2011, 01:43:33 PM
Reminds me of side car Weel on a Steeek racing.

FREUD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 01:46:31 PM
Bob, Andy stopped by this laptop just as your post came across.  He explains that they're running the two-up bike as an attempt to quantify the style - and build some base support for creating a class for two-up riding in any of the major sanctioning organisations.  He went on to explain that both he and Erin have ridden and raced at high speeds for a long time, and have done extensive high-speed two-up riding and racing (yes, both for fun and for publicity) for years.

I'll let him continue his "defense" of the two-up riding on his own -- but since he was here I asked and got his response.

As for Rocky last night, Mr. Drury, the Ack team had asked - before the safety crews left - to make the low speed runs.  All knew that fire and ambulance were not on duty.  I don't know the whys and wherefores of the choice to make test runs without safety, but it was done with the knowledge of no safety crews.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: DallasV on September 20, 2011, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: bak189 on September 20, 2011, 01:38:19 PM
I know this post will get a few replies........but this 2-up BMW circus act is stupid, not only that.. but it is downright dangerous.  I am really surprised that that Mike C. allowed it.....I can only think it must involve cubic dollars......They are racing in no known national or international class, just doing it for kicks and maybe BMW advertising...


I'm not sure how it is any different than strapping skiers to the top of your car or pulling a bicycle up to speed with a racecar. Which have both been done at sanctioned events.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: WildBro on September 20, 2011, 01:48:11 PM
Quote from: Freud on September 20, 2011, 01:43:33 PM
Reminds me of side car racing.

FREUD

Now that's funny.  



I called Jason/Richard and told them to look at the pic of their bike.

Bill
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 01:51:32 PM
Nearburg is getting ready to get into the car.  I'll be out of the pickup for a few minutes -- gotta go secure the pits.  Back soon.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sabat on September 20, 2011, 01:59:34 PM
Glad to hear that RR is OK, sorry for Ack liner.

That is a strange looking Honda. Reminds of something  :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 20, 2011, 02:00:33 PM
Quote from: joea on September 20, 2011, 01:21:07 PM
hey Ray or whoever...could you let Richard see that last posted pick at
speed...it was mentioned that they may be adding more ballast to the rear for
upcoming runs...



I'll show him the photo when I get back to the pits.  I'm currently at the timing stand.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 02:05:32 PM
Course is clear, starting the engine in the Spirit of Rett #1122.  He'll run from the mountain end to the pits.  Course is secure.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 20, 2011, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: joea on September 20, 2011, 01:21:07 PM
hey Ray or whoever...could you let Richard see that last posted pick at
speed...it was mentioned that they may be adding more ballast to the rear for
upcoming runs...



Good eye there Joe!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 20, 2011, 02:07:11 PM
Quote from: Freud on September 20, 2011, 01:43:33 PM
Reminds me of side car racing.

FREUD

Your rapier wit is both fast and cuts deep!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 02:08:15 PM
Nearburg car is running, canopy is down, car is under way.

On the course at the 2 mile, accelerating.  At the three, nice roar in the background, through the four.

368.7 entry  370 kilo, mile 378.3, chute out
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: bak189 on September 20, 2011, 02:09:13 PM
As to the Dr's post... no reply....I consider the source....................................................................
A 2-up motorcycle class!!!!!.....Hey, maybe a new AMA/FIM class, and I would think SCTA/BNI would be very interested in this class to help promote Land Speed Racing as a "super extreme sport"..................
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 02:11:44 PM
Report that the engine "sounded like it was chewing itself up", but the car is now on course and slowing and the engine is idling.  Fire and ambulance are next to the car and it looks good, they report.

Entry 368.7   370.2 kilo  370.3 mile    372 exit.

The speed will qualify him for a return run -- but no word yet if they'll try it.  I'll stay in touch.

The car's transporter just returned to the pits, perhaps 'cause they won't make a return run, perhaps 'cause they need it to put the car in position for a return.  More soon.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 20, 2011, 02:17:56 PM
Why stop at two?
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7k4vq02xEo4/TFtOxC9Fa-I/AAAAAAAAAoI/lLTYoTQlYag/s1600/Royal+Signals+White+Helmets+1+s.jpg)

Running without fire and ambulance isn't worth it, is it? It's a long wait to get somebody out there.

80 mph doesn't sound fast compared to the speed it is capable of.

An 80 mph roll is an extremely dynamic event. The pictures bear that out. Looks like Rocky got a face full of salt.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: donpearsall on September 20, 2011, 02:18:14 PM
What is the issue with Richard A's bike and ballast? I can see the rear of the body pan  is close (or on) the salt. But if he adds more ballast to the swingarm, that would not change, right? On the other hand, if he added it to the frame, it would lower the body more and definitely drag.

PS - Thanks for the reporting and pics Jon and Ray!
Don
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 20, 2011, 02:22:09 PM
I'm all for new classes, I've got a 2 seat tank!!!
  Sid.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: jimmy six on September 20, 2011, 02:22:45 PM
IMO I don't think the SCTA will ever allow a 2 up competition class. Regardless of how you feel, it would put an unnecessary risk which could put on all land speed racing.

We should all be watching with a lot of interst of the suing of the BLM by the families of the injured spectators at a off road race in the California desert last year when a truck went off track..I believe BLM has the last word in all of this...no permits....no racing....JD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bob Drury on September 20, 2011, 02:26:13 PM
  To Jon A., this happened yesterday evening....... and no, I am old and grouchy...........
  To Jon W., last Friday nine people died at the Reno Air Races.
  Yesterday two racer's died in the Silver State Road Race.
  The press eat's this stuff up.
  We don't need unsafe incidents occuring on the Salt.
  What would the BLM say if Rocky had died waiting for a ambulance?
  Thank God he is allright.

  I repeat, ALL INVOLVED ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS MESS.......................
                                                                     Bob
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 02:26:35 PM
Nearburg's team is re-setting for a return run.  Great looking (???) umbrella girl -- TommyRoberts shading Charles as he sits in the car :evil: :evil: :evil:  Hope Ray gets a photo of Tommy.  Ray's out there taking the photos.

The car was bouncing quite a bit as Charles drove it into the pits -- bouncing the front tires off the ground.  Hope his dental work is in good shape.

44 minutes remaining in the one-hour window.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: joea on September 20, 2011, 02:33:11 PM
...its hard to believe we have this amazing coverage....

lets hope it doenst get ruined....by those not in the field
of battle......

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: rlague on September 20, 2011, 02:39:47 PM
Ray,
Sent you an e-mail about photos.  Need some for a new book. Contact me when you have time.
Dick
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 02:47:12 PM
The 1122 Nearburg car is on the track in the pits and getting ready for a return run.  Still have about 25 minutes or so.  They'll tow the car to the 1 1/2 or so - so that Charles doesn't have to worry about hitting the "ravine" under power.  The ravine, you ask?

That's the old salt brine ditch that goes southwest-northeast across the track at about the 1 1/4.  It's been worked on quite a bit during the past few days -- causes a big bump.  That bump might have been what helped hurt the Speed Demon -- the car elevated under power, spum the wheels, and got traction when hit the ground again.

Nearburg is on the way down the course to set up for the run.

I hear the Speed Demon engine firing up.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 02:52:01 PM
Nearburg car is running, going from the 1 1/2 (freeway end) to the mountain.  Car is moving out.

Off the push truck, through the two mile, now through the three and still accelerating.  At the four, nearing the measured stretch.

Entry speed:  349   kilo  362  mile 362  No decimal point numbers.

Numbers from the previous run were 370.2 and 370.2, which gives an average of about 366 mile & kilo for the attempt.  I don't have the number he needs or is trying to best.  Will have it soon.  Petrali will report the average and such soon.

Nearburg is at the 10 and slowing, now stopped past the ten. fire is there with him and gives thumbs up.

Next will be a couple of motorcycles -- Erin and Andy and maybe Assen.  It'll be a little while.  The bikes will run from the 1 1/2 towards the mountain.  Charlie and the two bikes are moving down the course to that 1 1/2 right now -- should run within 5 - 10 minutes.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 03:06:22 PM
 Nearburg averages   366.590 kilo  366.374 mile.   These exceed the 1% required for a new record, so pending certification that'll be a new record.

In other news, the winds are starting to pick up a bit.  Because of this, Erin and Andy will run first, followed by Richard Assen - both running when they're comfy with the wind.

Assen added ballast - shot - to the swingarm.  I was there as they were pouring it in, tapping the swingarm with a bit of a hammer to settle the shot, adding some more, repeat.

Nearburg car is still on the racetrack - should be cleared off in a few minutes.  Stay tuned for the bikes.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: TINY on September 20, 2011, 03:06:33 PM
Maybe some people that critisize people without knowing the facts ought to try & run a meet like this.I dont think Mike would do anything to to bring bad publicty to landracing or the salt.Also I dont think he is looking to start a new class for SCTA.






Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 03:15:44 PM
The two-up BMW is on the course now, running from the freeway end towards Floating Island.  They started at about the 1 1/2 (again, to avoid the ravine).

Entering the timed area:  Entry speed 182.8   kilo speed  182.3  mile 182.3

Winds are about 6 crosswind at the 3 1/2,  4 at the tower,  1 1/2 - 2 at the 9 mile.

BMW is now off the course, and Richard is ready - but holding off for 5 minutes for the wind to abate some.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 03:22:32 PM
Jon, just wondering what kind of spectator turn out is there?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 03:27:00 PM
Glen, this place is swarming with dang near dozens of spectators.  I'm too far away to ask Lynda - she'd have the best idea -- but if there's 100 I'd be surprised.

We're going to ask Nish and Speed Demon what the schedule is.  Speed Demon says they're ready to load the car on the trailer.  No decision on what's going to happen.  The three other bikes -- Leslie, Al Lamb, and Jamie Williams, are ready to trailer down to the 1 1/2 to run following Richard Assen, but no bike will run 'til the wind dies down.  Remember - that's why Richard is waiting and he's got first dibs on the course. 

I gotta go ask the Nish team what's what.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: racefanwfo on September 20, 2011, 03:31:55 PM
Are there any pictures of the damage on the ack streamliner.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: John Noonan on September 20, 2011, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: racefanwfo on September 20, 2011, 03:31:55 PM
Are there any pictures of the damage on the ack streamliner.

Poof  Gone...
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 20, 2011, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: racefanwfo on September 20, 2011, 03:31:55 PM
Are there any pictures of the damage on the ack streamliner.

Mike Akatiff and Mike Cook Jr. have both stated that they don't want the photos of damage posted.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 20, 2011, 03:53:08 PM
Quote
Mike Akatiff and Mike Cook Jr. have both stated that they don't want the photos of damage posted.

REALLY??? Do they know that ship has sailed?

What do they expect to achieve by hiding the crash damage? Try to make it not happen?

The crash DID happen. It's an instructive lesson that on a low speed test the worst can, and did happen.

Are they going to ask for these posts to be retracted too???
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 20, 2011, 03:58:46 PM
The pictures have been removed
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 04:09:13 PM
Back with you, folks.  We're getting ready to run the bikes.  We'll first run the BMW ("#2 bike").  It's now on course and ready to go.  Leslie and Al are trailering the 1976 Leslie bike towards the bike start line.

BMW is at the 8 (a/k/a 3 mile on the way towards the freeway) and moving.  Through the 7, entering the timed mile.

Entry 178.7   kilo speed 180.7  mile  180.5  exit speed 181.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 04:16:21 PM
Next up will be Al Lamb.  He's on the bike, with Charlie on duty, at the 1 1/2.  Wind is mild enough, so they'll launch him in a minute per Charlie.  Bike is moving.  Through the two mile, accelerating through the three.

Running on a 225 record.

Speeds:  Entry  203   kilo  210.4  mile 209.8  exit 213.  The bike is a turbo 1000 cc. Honda.


Salt is now unlocked -- maybe 15 minutes until the Speed Demon can run.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 20, 2011, 04:17:38 PM
Liner photos:

Mike Nish on his first run.  He aborted because he couldn't see his instruments nor shift light.  He (imo) made the right decision and shut down before something got hurt.

Three photos of Nearburg's Spirit of Rett:

Down run, Turnaround (which went smoothly) and the end of the return with the chute out.  It's gettin a little hot here so there's some heat distortion in the last shot.

As an aside, photographers are being asked to stay at least 1000 feet from the course.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 04:27:06 PM
Next vehicle to run will be George Poteet in the Speed Demon, #715.  He's in the car at the mountain end of the course.  Locking down the salt now.  Back in a minute or two -- gotta go clear the pits.

Nothing moving, ready to start the car, support truck for the #715 is at the 6 mile and waiting.  Course is clear, winds are mild to nil.  Speed Demon car is running, canopy is closing.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: TINY on September 20, 2011, 04:28:51 PM
Great job being done here thank you much Jon & all crew doing reports.By the way if people dont like the way pictures & reports are being handled go run one of these meets yourself Tiny
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: guttley782 on September 20, 2011, 04:33:52 PM
To all you guys out there giving us information, THANK YOU!!!!!! It is brilliant, and I am so glad Rocky is alright.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 04:34:38 PM
Speed Demon is now moving on the course.  Pushing off, off the truck.  Car is under way and moving fast.

On course at the nine/two.    Eight mile.  

Entry 452  kilo 458  mile 457  exit 462

I got those speeds right, folks!  I'll give you exact numbers once the tower repeats them.  Speed Demon is being pushed from where he stopped, at the 3/4, into the pit.  They lost a pilot chute - will use a spare rather than try to find and replace the one that blew off during the run.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 20, 2011, 04:39:47 PM
More bikes from the Floating Island end:

Erin Hunter and Andy Sills going this-a-way

Jamie Williams on a qualifier

Erin and Andy going that-a-way.

Al Lamb missed qualifying by a couple of mph.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dynoroom on September 20, 2011, 04:40:38 PM
That noise you just heard was my jaw hitting the floor......

WOW!

Thanks to everyone for the updates.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sabat on September 20, 2011, 04:41:13 PM
Woohoo!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Ivan S on September 20, 2011, 04:42:13 PM
Quote from: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 04:34:38 PM
Speed Demon is now moving on the course.  Pushing off, off the truck.  Car is under way and moving fast.

On course at the nine/two.    Eight mile.  

Entry 452  kilo 458  mile 457  exit 462

I got those speeds right, folks!  I'll give you exact numbers once the tower repeats them.  Speed Demon is being pushed from where he stopped, at the 3/4, into the pit.  They lost a pilot chute - will use a spare rather than try to find and replace the one that blew off during the run.
:-o :-o :-o :-o
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 20, 2011, 04:43:22 PM
WTG Speed Demon!!!!!!!
Back it up!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 20, 2011, 04:43:41 PM
Holy sh*t balls WOW WOW WOW>.. Great job.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 04:44:50 PM
Two wheel drive
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: thundersalt on September 20, 2011, 04:47:28 PM
Quote from: Glen on September 20, 2011, 04:44:50 PM
Two wheel drive
and 1 motor. incredible!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: racefanwfo on September 20, 2011, 04:48:50 PM
Will we see a 500mph run? stay tuned.    :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 04:52:52 PM
43 minutes remain in the one-hour return window.

That said, I wonder if the Speed Demon crew will start from here in the pit - or down at the 1 1/2, on the other side of the "ravine".  George is sitting in the car, the car is dry and clean.  They're changing air filter and checking over stuff -- but they may be able to run the back up run sooner than you might think.

We remain in lockdown so they can run at their convenience.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 20, 2011, 04:55:15 PM
Drew, one of Brian Lacky's cameramen, filmed it from in front of the tower.  10 years ago he filmed the Turminator.  He's glad to be here.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: racefanwfo on September 20, 2011, 04:48:50 PM
Will we see a 500mph run? stay tuned.    :cheers:

40 mph is a big gain, should be interesting.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: nrhs sales on September 20, 2011, 05:04:00 PM
Go Speed Demon Go!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: charlie101 on September 20, 2011, 05:05:57 PM
whats the wind right now?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 05:06:31 PM
The time window for the return window expires at about 35 minutes after the hour - about a half-hour from now.  The Speed Demon is now moving from the pit to the course.  I'll soon know if they'll start here or at the 1 1/2.

No report on wind on the course, but here at the pit we've got 6-10 from north northeast -- mostly headwind.

It appears the SD will start in the pits - the transporter has moved to the six mile and the car is on the ground out in front of us.  Great fun to watch him go past under power.  Car is in the center of the course, getting ready to fire up the engine.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 20, 2011, 05:07:14 PM
Something new we're trying from the timing tower.--

Timing Information Provided by ChronoLogic Timing

Cook's Landspeed Events Shootout 2011 Runs for Monday

Vehicle:      2    
09-19-11    08:31:30 08:31:09
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.9177386  173.960mph
Rt Kilo   12.8969247  173.447mph
Rt Exit    3.9519550  172.454mph
Rt Mile   20.7666183  173.355mph
        
Temp: 54.2F  SP:225.87in  DA: 4710ft
Wind:5mph from the WSW  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    519    
09-19-11    08:38:16 08:38:01
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   2.7692304  246.108mph
Rt Kilo    9.2192465  242.637mph
Rt Exit    2.8504464  239.096mph
Rt Mile   14.8389233  242.605mph
        
Temp: 54.6F  SP:225.88in  DA: 4727ft
Wind:4mph from the WSW  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    519    
09-19-11    10:13:45 10:13:59
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.6752683  254.752mph
Dn Kilo    8.8340701  253.216mph
Dn Exit    2.6878920  253.556mph
Dn Mile   14.1972304  253.570mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 59.3F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5029ft
Wind:4mph from the SW    
                                        
 
Vehicle:      2    
09-19-11    10:20:57 10:21:17
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.8239090  178.229mph
Dn Kilo   12.5203848  178.663mph
Dn Exit    3.8044872  179.138mph
Dn Mile   20.1487810  178.670mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 59.8F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5061ft
Wind:4mph from the SW    
                                        
 
Vehicle:   1122    
09-19-11    10:36:50 10:37:00
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   1.8095397  376.632mph
Dn Kilo    5.7881700  386.466mph
Dn Exit    1.7246126  395.179mph
Dn Mile    9.3223223  386.169mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 61.4F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5158ft
Wind:4mph from the SSW  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    715    
09-19-11    __:__:__ 10:56:13
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   8.8155118  77.310 mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 63.9F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5324ft
Wind:5mph from the SE    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    519    
09-19-11    11:36:11 11:35:56
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   2.7946158  243.873mph
Rt Kilo    9.1947472  243.284mph
Rt Exit    2.7755405  245.549mph
Rt Mile   14.7649035  243.821mph
        
Temp: 65.9F  SP:225.87in  DA: 5459ft
Wind:5mph from the ESE  
                                        
 
Vehicle:      2    
09-19-11    11:42:27 11:42:04
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   4.3853865  155.409mph
Rt Kilo   14.4504354  154.800mph
Rt Exit    4.4983245  151.507mph
Rt Mile   23.3341464  154.280mph
        
Temp: 66.3F  SP:225.87in  DA: 5485ft
Wind:5mph from the ESE  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    519    
09-19-11    13:03:36 13:03:51
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.6477186  257.403mph
Dn Kilo    9.7506449  229.414mph
Dn Exit    2.9758923  229.017mph
Dn Mile   15.3742558  234.157mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 72.9F  SP:225.84in  DA: 5936ft
Wind:4mph from the ESE  
lost traction in mile                  
 
Vehicle:      2    
09-19-11    13:08:43 13:09:04
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.9511889  172.487mph
Dn Kilo   12.9983710  172.093mph
Dn Exit    3.9642008  171.921mph
Dn Mile   20.9137607  172.135mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 72.5F  SP:225.84in  DA: 5910ft
Wind:0mph from the N    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    715    
09-19-11    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 73.6F  SP:225.83in  DA: 5991ft
Wind:0mph from the N    
pulled chute at 10 mile                
 
Vehicle:    715    
09-19-11    14:11:23 14:11:15
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.5497254  439.775mph
Rt Kilo    5.0514513  442.830mph
Rt Exit    1.5279004  446.057mph
Rt Mile    8.1290771  442.854mph
        
Temp: 73.2F  SP:225.82in  DA: 5977ft
Wind:3mph from the S    
                                        
 
Vehicle:      2    
09-19-11    14:30:58 14:30:38
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.8583861  176.636mph
Rt Kilo   12.6322683  177.081mph
Rt Exit    3.8459382  177.208mph
Rt Mile   20.3365926  177.020mph
        
Temp: 74.3F  SP:225.81in  DA: 6062ft
Wind:3mph from the S    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    519    
09-19-11    14:35:43 14:35:28
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   2.7640980  246.565mph
Rt Kilo    9.1048647  245.685mph
Rt Exit    2.7643765  246.540mph
Rt Mile   14.6333392  246.013mph
        
Temp: 74.2F  SP:225.81in  DA: 6056ft
Wind:5mph from the SSE  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    715    
09-19-11    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 76.7F  SP:225.79in  DA: 6241ft
Wind:1mph from the S    
Aborted at 1 mile          
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JR529 on September 20, 2011, 05:10:31 PM
That density altitude just keeps climbing higher and higher...

Temp: 54.2F  SP:225.87in  DA: 4710ft
Temp: 54.6F  SP:225.88in  DA: 4727ft
Temp: 59.3F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5029ft
Temp: 59.8F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5061ft
Temp: 61.4F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5158ft
Temp: 63.9F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5324ft
Temp: 65.9F  SP:225.87in  DA: 5459ft
Temp: 66.3F  SP:225.87in  DA: 5485ft
Temp: 72.9F  SP:225.84in  DA: 5936ft
Temp: 72.5F  SP:225.84in  DA: 5910ft
Temp: 73.6F  SP:225.83in  DA: 5991ft
Temp: 73.2F  SP:225.82in  DA: 5977ft
Temp: 74.3F  SP:225.81in  DA: 6062ft
Temp: 74.2F  SP:225.81in  DA: 6056ft
Temp: 76.7F  SP:225.79in  DA: 6241ft
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 05:10:50 PM
Engine has started.  Gentle burbling sound of a turbo engine at idle.

 Not so gentle as he accelerated.  Engine is shut off at the one mile.  CRAP!

No idea yet -- I'll let you know when I find out why the shutdown.  Will they return the car and try again?  22 minutes remain in the window.

Ron Main radios -- "we've got a problem, come pick us up with the trailer".  Sounds final. 

Bikes will run in a little while.  Sorry, Speed Demon crew.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: nomobux on September 20, 2011, 05:14:20 PM
   Dbl Crap .. Hope for a re start
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 20, 2011, 05:15:01 PM
Still about 20 minutes for a re-start if possible.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 20, 2011, 05:15:10 PM
Well here we go

Proudly saying

The Poteet/Main is THE FASTEST PISTON ENGINE VEHICLE IN HISTORY

457.xxx Mile and a blistering 462.xxx exit.

Great job to everybody involved.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: hutchamatic on September 20, 2011, 05:16:43 PM
Crap.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 20, 2011, 05:17:08 PM
Hi Deb!  Thanks so much for your sound checks last year.  This year we have redundancy but those were exciting times the first go-around.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 20, 2011, 05:19:32 PM
No restart.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 05:20:07 PM
whats going on with Nish?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 05:21:47 PM
Glen, when I was at their pit Terry said "We've found a few issues.  We'll let you know in a while".  They did fire up the motor for about five seconds a while back - but nothing since then, and that was at least 45 minutes ago.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 20, 2011, 05:27:23 PM
A huge thank you to the Rice Brothers of Chronologic World Record Event Timing for the complete information on yesterday's runs.  We hope to do this again this evening.  James is extremely helpful to our Landracing endeavors.

And a big shout out to James' brother Alan hard at work back in California.  He rang up the tower and suggested it.  Well done.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sabat on September 20, 2011, 05:29:23 PM
Quote from: JonAmo on September 20, 2011, 05:15:10 PM
Well here we go

Proudly saying

The Poteet/Main is THE FASTEST PISTON ENGINE VEHICLE IN HISTORY

457.xxx Mile and a blistering 462.xxx exit.

Great job to everybody involved.

With a single 347ci engine, and 2 wheel drive no less!   :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 20, 2011, 05:31:48 PM
& traction control.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: fredvance on September 20, 2011, 05:34:18 PM
I would have it if I could afford it!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: fredvance on September 20, 2011, 05:39:26 PM
The Speed Demon is not going to do a return run?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 05:39:50 PM
Jon, any update on the 715 car and what happened?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 05:44:13 PM
Jamie Williams has madde his return run and the unofficial record speed, pending FIM certification, is 216.912 on a 216.588 record.  Kilo record speed is 217.004 (pending).

No word from Speed Demon -- have been getting Jamie's runs down here.  We're on break right now -- will go to the #715 pit for an update.  C U soon.

Word from Trimmers (real name is Jeff McVey) is that the front u-joint on the Speed Demon went to pieces.  No complete details on whether it's an easy repair or what.

Nearburg hurt the motor big time - they're done for the event.  Nothing yet from Nish.  Bikes are in their respective pits - well, Assen is just now back.  He elected not to return -- too much wind.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 05:50:21 PM
Maybe Ron should replace the drive shaft between runs, seems to be a very weak link. Just a thought.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 20, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
Speed Demon's turnaround and return attempt:

Andy Nish, umbrella boy.

Reloading the intercooler.

Leaving the pit area.

Stopped on course.

I heard a bang and then the engine sounded real bad...I think it was bouncing off the rev limiter but at the time I was worried that the motor may have let go.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: hutchamatic on September 20, 2011, 06:03:00 PM
That first pic is great. You know GP is giving that young fellow some great advice. He should listen to every word that he says.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 20, 2011, 06:08:08 PM
Young Andy has a couple of go cart championships under his belt already.  Offered to trade me $5 and a Nish t-shirt for my 2-speed Kettler peddle car, which I declined, but let him burn off energy with it as needed.  Very sharp and polite young man.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Vinsky on September 20, 2011, 06:16:48 PM
Quote from: JR529 on September 20, 2011, 05:10:31 PM
That density altitude just keeps climbing higher and higher...

Temp: 54.2F  SP:225.87in  DA: 4710ft
Temp: 54.6F  SP:225.88in  DA: 4727ft
Temp: 59.3F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5029ft
Temp: 59.8F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5061ft
Temp: 61.4F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5158ft
Temp: 63.9F  SP:225.88in  DA: 5324ft
Temp: 65.9F  SP:225.87in  DA: 5459ft
Temp: 66.3F  SP:225.87in  DA: 5485ft
Temp: 72.9F  SP:225.84in  DA: 5936ft
Temp: 72.5F  SP:225.84in  DA: 5910ft
Temp: 73.6F  SP:225.83in  DA: 5991ft
Temp: 73.2F  SP:225.82in  DA: 5977ft
Temp: 74.3F  SP:225.81in  DA: 6062ft
Temp: 74.2F  SP:225.81in  DA: 6056ft
Temp: 76.7F  SP:225.79in  DA: 6241ft


What were the intervals for these readings?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: desotoman on September 20, 2011, 06:24:16 PM
Quote from: Glen on September 20, 2011, 05:50:21 PM
Maybe Ron should replace the drive shaft between runs, seems to be a very weak link. Just a thought.

Look at the picture in reply 169 of this thread. Blow up the picture of the drive shaft. It speaks volumes.

Tom G.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: charlie101 on September 20, 2011, 06:26:19 PM
Im not telling what I do
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 06:29:24 PM
Still not sure of the full extent of the damages to the Speed Demon.  Main told me that the data showed George had about 5/8th throttle and the motor was spinning at 9100 rpm.  Shall we guess that's an instant after the drive train let go?  I asked - they don't yet know - if it's the drive train PLUS or what.  He says they're hoping it's the motor that's broken because then they would have evidently solved the drive train troubles.

Yeah, whatever -- they're digging around in the rear of the car now - looks like getting ready to pull the differential.  Ken Duttweiler and others were loosening the turbo cluster - might just be to get working room.

Nothing yet from Nish, and no bikes are in line to run.  But - we haven't yet called it quits for the day.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 06:31:22 PM
4.30 local time at the Bonneville Salt Flats - and Mike Cook reports we're done for the day - no more runs.  And no unofficial runs, either.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 20, 2011, 06:31:51 PM
Tom, the de acceleration is probably almost as hard as the acceleration. To think of what the yokes are doing would be great to see with a high speed camera likes NHRA has been using showing rod caps coming out of the engine.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: charlie101 on September 20, 2011, 06:34:06 PM
Good coverage, thanks for today!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 20, 2011, 06:37:15 PM
Yes, a sincere thanks for the coverage!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: theazoldcrow on September 20, 2011, 06:38:50 PM
 :-D and a big thank you to all, from me!  You've made my days not quite so boring!  thanks again!


Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 20, 2011, 06:44:46 PM
Timing Information Provided by ChronoLogic Timing

Cook's Landspeed Events Shootout 2011 Runs for Tuesday

Vehicle:      2     
09-20-11    08:33:17 08:33:37
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.6891379  184.740mph
Dn Kilo   12.0937444  184.966mph
Dn Exit    3.6760761  185.396mph
Dn Mile   19.4589584  185.004mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 59.4F  SP:225.83in  DA: 5102ft
Wind:5mph from the W     
                                       
 
Vehicle:    519     
09-20-11    08:38:37 08:38:51
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.6281435  259.320mph
Dn Kilo    8.8004337  254.184mph
Dn Exit    2.7100625  251.481mph
Dn Mile   14.1386397  254.621mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 60.9F  SP:225.83in  DA: 5196ft
Wind:3mph from the W     
                                       
 
Vehicle:    968     
09-20-11    08:51:34 08:51:17
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.2815771  207.684mph
Rt Kilo   10.6973670  209.110mph
Rt Exit    3.2525377  209.538mph
Rt Mile   17.2314818  208.919mph
       
Temp: 62.2F  SP:225.83in  DA: 5279ft
Wind:5mph from the W     
                                       
 
Vehicle:   1976     
09-20-11    09:02:36 09:02:15
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.9908362  170.774mph
Rt Kilo   12.7862777  174.948mph
Rt Exit    3.6992583  184.234mph
Rt Mile   20.4763722  175.812mph
       
Temp: 62.5F  SP:225.83in  DA: 5299ft
Wind:5mph from the W     
                                       
 
Vehicle:      2     
09-20-11    09:45:49 09:45:29
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.7298449  182.723mph
Rt Kilo   12.2395955  182.762mph
Rt Exit    3.7284029  182.794mph
Rt Mile   19.6978433  182.761mph
       
Temp: 66.2F  SP:225.83in  DA: 5536ft
Wind:1mph from the WNW   
                                       
 
Vehicle:    519     
09-20-11    09:51:52 09:51:38
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   2.7700267  246.037mph
Rt Kilo    8.9736388  249.278mph
Rt Exit    2.7075786  251.712mph
Rt Mile   14.4512441  249.113mph
       
Temp: 66.1F  SP:225.83in  DA: 5526ft
Wind:2mph from the WNW   
                                       
 
Vehicle:    998     
09-20-11    10:43:56 10:43:20
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   5.2715386  129.285mph
Rt Kilo   21.5571370  103.767mph
Rt Exit    9.2463199  73.708 mph
Rt Mile   36.0749955  99.792 mph
       
Temp: 66.7F  SP:25.84in  DA: 5557ft
Wind:3mph from the SSW   
Shut off at about 8 mile               
 
Vehicle:   1122     
09-20-11    12:10:36 12:10:26
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.8482006  368.754mph
Rt Kilo    6.0409948  370.292mph
Rt Exit    1.8309120  372.236mph
Rt Mile    9.7201074  370.366mph
       
Temp: 70.3F  SP:25.83in  DA: 5796ft
Wind:6mph from the S     
                                       
 
Vehicle:   1122     
09-20-11    12:53:59 12:54:09
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   1.9502648  349.456mph
Dn Kilo    6.1641250  362.896mph
Dn Exit    1.8184843  374.780mph
Dn Mile    9.9328741  362.432mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 72.3F  SP:25.81in  DA: 5943ft
Wind:4mph from the ESE   
                                       
 
Vehicle:      2     
09-20-11    13:16:11 13:16:31
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.7264665  182.889mph
Dn Kilo   12.2659120  182.370mph
Dn Exit    3.7489206  181.794mph
Dn Mile   19.7412991  182.358mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 73.3F  SP:25.81in  DA: 6009ft
Wind:4mph from the SE   
                                       
 
Vehicle:    968     
09-20-11    13:47:13 13:47:29
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.1031827  219.623mph
Dn Kilo   10.2137533  219.012mph
Dn Exit    3.1281876  217.867mph
Dn Mile   16.4451236  218.909mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 73.8F  SP: 25.8in  DA: 6050ft
Wind:7mph from the ESE   
                                       
 
Vehicle:   1976     
09-20-11    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 74.0F  SP: 25.8in  DA: 6059ft
Wind:2mph from the E     
No Start                               
 
Vehicle:      2     
09-20-11    14:09:59 14:09:40
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.8124234  178.766mph
Rt Kilo   12.3737856  180.780mph
Rt Exit    3.7579933  181.355mph
Rt Mile   19.9442023  180.503mph
       
Temp: 74.6F  SP:25.79in  DA: 6112ft
Wind:5mph from the ESE   
                                       
 
Vehicle:   1979     
09-20-11    14:19:01 14:19:18
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.3430054  203.867mph
Dn Kilo   10.6286090  210.463mph
Dn Exit    3.1864544  213.884mph
Dn Mile   17.1580688  209.813mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 74.5F  SP:25.79in  DA: 6101ft
Wind:4mph from the ENE   
                                       
 
Vehicle:    715     
09-20-11    14:36:26 14:36:19
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   1.5046700  452.944mph
Rt Kilo    4.8821205  458.189mph
Rt Exit    1.4740753  462.345mph
Rt Mile    7.8608658  457.964mph
       
Temp: 75.2F  SP:25.78in  DA: 6155ft
Wind:4mph from the E     
                                       
 
Vehicle:    715     
09-20-11    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
       
Temp: 76.3F  SP:25.77in  DA: 6236ft
Wind:7mph from the E     
Turn Out at one mile                   
 
Vehicle:    968     
09-20-11    15:35:47 15:35:30
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.2297990  211.013mph
Rt Kilo   10.4027714  215.032mph
Rt Exit    3.1153960  218.762mph
Rt Mile   16.7479664  214.951mph
       
Temp: 76.5F  SP:25.77in  DA: 6249ft
Wind:5mph from the SE   
                                       
 
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: desotoman on September 20, 2011, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: Glen on September 20, 2011, 06:31:51 PM
Tom, the de acceleration is probably almost as hard as the acceleration. To think of what the yokes are doing would be great to see with a high speed camera likes NHRA has been using showing rod caps coming out of the engine.

Glen, I agree that would be a great place to put a camera. With the HP and TQ they claim to have combined with T/C it has to be extremely hard on the drive shaft. It will be interesting to see what failed in the run.

Tom G.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 20, 2011, 06:49:39 PM
Hey, this isn't good -- the Nish car is done for the meet.  Terry still uses the words "We've got some issues" when talking about the motor.  The Nearburg car motor is dead so they're done for the event.  The Ack Attack bike is out and gone from the salt for the event.  And the Speed Demon is changing transmission and drive shaft.  So - we're down to one car and four or five sit-on bikes.  Gee -- hope things hold on for at least another day so we can get Nancy's runs in and give her a chance.

I know the bike riders have got a minor issue -- in that the length of the course has given them reason to start part way down.  But - some want to start at the 1 1/2, some at the two, some at the three -- and shades of the Bub event, things get out of control.  We'll be having a meeting tonight to try to get back on the same page.

That's enough -- going to find out about the meeting.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: DSR88 on September 20, 2011, 06:55:51 PM
If the company I work for only new about the web cast and land speed racing I would be looking for a new job but I got to here history today thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 20, 2011, 07:35:32 PM
The ran a camera on the drive line last yr, lotsa angle changing going on down there. Somebody sent me the link, cant find it now.
  Sid.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: jl222 on September 20, 2011, 07:44:43 PM
Quote from: kiwi belly tank on September 20, 2011, 07:35:32 PM
The ran a camera on the drive line last yr, lotsa angle changing going on down there. Somebody sent me the link, cant find it now.
  Sid.

  I was trying to figure out if Speed Demon had suspension. Sounds as though they do

   JL222
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bret Kepner on September 20, 2011, 07:50:23 PM
There's only one other member of the "Seven-Second Club"; BRUTAL!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: 631 on September 20, 2011, 08:03:20 PM
Congratulations to the Speed Demon organization.   An extremely difficult job well done!
Rex S.
411 crew
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 20, 2011, 10:05:28 PM
FYI If Speed Demon is running FIA Class A 1 10 the mile record is:

Bob Herda 1967 345.760
Rick White 1990 383.824
Al Teague 2002 406.321

I hope they run tomorrow. Going to be realllllllly dull day otherwise.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bville701 on September 20, 2011, 10:40:33 PM
Anybody know or hear how Jamie Wagner ran?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 20, 2011, 10:50:33 PM
Thank you all again for the great reporting from the salt!
You all RULE!!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 20, 2011, 11:06:11 PM
Quote from: Bville701 on September 20, 2011, 10:40:33 PM
Anybody know or hear how Jamie Wagner ran?

I can't tell ya how fast he ran...but I think it was pretty close to record speed.  Here's a photo of him in the timed mile:

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 20, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: Bobby c on September 20, 2011, 10:50:33 PM
Thank you all again for the great reporting from the salt!
You all RULE!!!!! :cheers:

Thanks, Bobby.  It's hard work, but we wouldn't do it if we didn't love it. 

Time for bed...gotta be on the salt early.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bville701 on September 20, 2011, 11:11:09 PM
Cool! Thanks Ray!    :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: mc1984ss on September 21, 2011, 06:55:21 AM
I just wanted to thank everyone for the updates and pictures they are really appreciated! It is definitely the next best thing to being there. I truely wish I was there though especially after reading how fast the speed demon ran that would have been worth all the waiting in between runs. It blew my mind when I saw that speed I think the hairs on my arms even stood up. Also congratulations  to George and the rest of the speed demon crew that is truely an incredible feat, if you run today good luck and be safe.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Texican on September 21, 2011, 08:34:34 AM
I'm hearing rumors that vary from: Speed Demon hopes to run as early  as possible, namely 0800;
to they are still awaiting parts, and may not be able to go until
noonish :?.

Can anybody confirm or deny one way or the other?

Thanks,
Jim
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BudJ63 on September 21, 2011, 09:14:42 AM
Quote from: Bville701 on September 20, 2011, 10:40:33 PM
Anybody know or hear how Jamie Wagner ran?

From MOXNIX post

Vehicle:    968     
09-20-11    08:51:34 08:51:17
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   3.2815771  207.684mph
Rt Kilo   10.6973670  209.110mph
Rt Exit    3.2525377  209.538mph
Rt Mile   17.2314818  208.919mph
       
Temp: 62.2F  SP:225.83in  DA: 5279ft
Wind:5mph from the W     
                                       
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 10:04:16 AM
Sound check?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 21, 2011, 10:09:58 AM
Quote from: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 10:04:16 AM
Sound check?

Loud and clear  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 10:11:15 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2011, 10:19:17 AM
Ain't nobody here but us chickens.

The pits are gettin sorta deserted...see photos.

Some of the teams (Nearburg, Ack) have left, others (Poteet & Main, SSS & Nancy) are waiting for things to arrive from hither and yon (I think that's a local trucking company.)

I'll update when have more info.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 10:33:04 AM
Ray has summarised it well -- not much going on.  First of all, the four bikes are here at the 1 1/2 where it was decided at last night's riders meeting - that we'd start bikes.  The wind is calm -- but about 10 mph at the tower, so nobody is interested in running.  Dead calm here, at the 9 -- but breezy at the tower.

Poteet and Main are in the pit working -- didn't get to stop there for an update.  Nearburg's car is on the transporter and going home -- had troubles with the motor.  What was wrong with the new engine?  Maybe the rings didn't last -- started runing poorly during the first run the other day, but good enough to qualify.  Running less well on the return run, but good enough to back up the record.  Not good enough for any more runs, though./

Nish?  Had troubles from the very start of the event, got in that one partial run - to about 130 or so - and clicked it.  The engine is dead in the water (and the chassis, too), so they're done for the event.

Is there another car on the way here?  Hunh?  Maybe -- Lynda (Land's End Lynda) told us she had heard something, but 'til it arrives -- nothing further.

Bikes:  Nancy and I were disappointed to hear that the little Ninjette won't be here at first light this morning.  Issues at Heads Up getting the little thing going , so maybe later today it'll get sorted and show up.  Sure hope so -- so if nothing else we can get it running, try for the FIM record, and get in a tuneup for World Finals.

I'll click to post, add some photos and re-do.

Here's the set of bikes at the 1 1/2 this morning:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0455.jpg)

In case that photo didn't come out right, here's another:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0456.jpg)

I found this one from the other day.  Andy and Erin, having too much fun riding two-up.  I think they're done for this event, having proven that two can ride as fast as one (well, they were about 1 mph slowed two-up than either went as a solo), and showing that there might be a place for a new idea/event:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0451.jpg)

I work at private events, too -- not just SCTA-sanctioned ones:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0447.jpg)

Here comes the porta-potty choo-choo train:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0448.jpg)

We'll head back to the pits now and see what's going on with the Speed Demon.  Later. . . :-)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 11:05:12 AM
There's still wind out there -- but Mike's saying maybe we'll run in a half hour.  In the meantime, more glamour shots of the bikes -- this time sans riders.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0460.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0462.jpg)

Remember the "ravine" that I mentioned the other day?  It's a former drainage ditch - from the old days - that is a soft spot across the track at about the 3/4 mile.  It's a bump that's caused some headaches (and broken parts) during this event.  Here's a set of photos of it:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0465.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0464.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0463.jpg)

That's it for now -- gotta go be interviewed, X-rayed and ultra-violated (at least that's what Nancy calls it) for Jay.  Later. . .

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 21, 2011, 11:26:42 AM
Didn't I read that Nish was done for the event? The audio feed says he's in the car and about to run.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2011, 11:27:57 AM
I didn't hear that
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 21, 2011, 11:33:57 AM
Quote from: Glen on September 21, 2011, 11:27:57 AM
I didn't hear that

"Nish?  Had troubles from the very start of the event, got in that one partial run - to about 130 or so - and clicked it.  The engine is dead in the water (and the chassis, too), so they're done for the event."

That was reported from Slim earlier. Anyway, glad to hear that they're still out there giving a go. Sure hope they get it sorted out, they sure deserve it.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 21, 2011, 11:40:50 AM
Sorry, the power went out here and when it came back on my computer started the audio feed from Tuesday. No wonder I was sitting here confused wondering why Nish just ran and Nearburg was about to run. My bad.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 11:46:42 AM
We're here -- and running bikes.  Al Lamb, 1979 bike, is about to run.  Let's see if I can get some speeds.  He's running on a 225 record.

Leaving the line, at the two mile (remember, starting at the 1 1/2).  We can hear 'em from the pits -- can't see them, though.

Entry speed:  240.7   kilo  240.5   mile 240.3   Nice!!

1.5 mph tailwind at the 3 1/2 mile mark.  2 mph tailwind at the eight.  Next bike?

519 next -- Richard Assen, on a 252 record, starting the engine now.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: jl222 on September 21, 2011, 11:48:43 AM
  Slim or Ray... any chance of pics of course at different miles especially the timed mile? :-D

  This would give us an idea what kind of course these teams are [were] dealing with for now and prosperity.

  Thanks again guys for the great reporting, broadcasting and pics.

   Go Speed Demon....500 mph? :-o :cheers:


             JL222
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 11:51:36 AM
Waiting for Assen to run.  In the meantime, Speed Demon has a newly-fixed transmission (cracked the case yesterday) and driveshaft -- waiting for a couple of $6 seals for it to arrive from SLC.

Assen under way.  

Through the two, hearing some wheelspin.  Through the four, still lighting it up.

Entry speed   264.7   kilo  263.5  mile  263.5

Four bikes have run (missed the first two), and of the four -- three qualified.  I'll get speeds and bike numbers for the earlier ones.  In the meantime, expect about a half to one hour downtime.  I'll have the speeds for you later when they do return runs.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sabat on September 21, 2011, 12:01:02 PM
Great speeds for Lamb & Assen!!   :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: WildBro on September 21, 2011, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: sabat on September 21, 2011, 12:01:02 PM
Great speeds for Lamb & Assen!!   :cheers: :cheers:

sweet!

Go get them guys!

Bill
(Dean, you took my reply/post number :-(  and I'm saving my next post for a special occasion
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: fredvance on September 21, 2011, 12:12:16 PM
I guess you are just going to step it up. :-D

Great runs for Richard and Al!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 12:17:24 PM
Leslie is the racer that didn't qualify earlier -- had a problem and will work on it.  Al Lamb qualified but chunked a tire, so he's back in the pit to change up.  But he might not be allowed to run on the qualifier with a new tire -- Charlie is considering and consulting on the situation.

Richard Assen will run his return run next -- maybe within about five minutes.  The wind is low right now and they're all anxious to get turned around.  Waiting for safety to get in place.  Locking down the area now.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 12:29:49 PM
Richard Assen is ready to leave the far end.  I'll give you the numbers.  By the way, we just got buzzed by a low-flying aircraft -- likely Rocky's brother just saying goodbye -- he did waggle the wings as he went down the course.

Assen in under way.  On course at the 10 mile (next bike will be 968, Jamie Wagner), this is Assen's run.

Assen at the eight mile - entry speed 257   kilo  259.2   mile  258.9  That's good enough, they report -- take it to impound.  Will be something over 260.

968 will be next, running on a 216 record.  Bike 968 is under way.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 12:35:25 PM
Bike 968 is on the course, at the eight mile, through the seven, in the timed mile

entry  151 and slowing

Puff of smoke reported from the bike at about a mile and a half from the start, fire and ambulance rolled but he's okay, tower reports a puff might have been the engine letting go.  More soon.  Copurse is unlocked for now.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2011, 12:39:04 PM
Jon, Ray
Any update on Main & Poteet approx time frame for them to run etc.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 12:41:29 PM
Glen, nothing since I posted a half-hour or whatever ago.  The trans. has been repaired, the driveshaft replaced, and they'e waiting for a couple of seals for the trans. to arrive from SLC.  Pretty smiley in the pit -- got hopes for more big numbers.

Speaking of smiles in the pits -- we can hear the shouting and cheering form the Assen pit from here - and we're about a hundred yards from them.

Speed Demon team just reported they want clearance to drive the course -- but only to return a computer mouse to the tower.  Still -- he did sound cheerful. . . :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 21, 2011, 12:45:10 PM
WTG Richard  :cheers: 261.243mph  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 12:45:58 PM
New pending FIM record for Richard Assen and his team:

Kilo   261.387   Mile 261.243

Ya-Hoo, per Drew Gatewood.  Per \Nancy and me, too.  Congratulations to all of the Kiwis! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

In other stuff, Al Lamb may not change tire and still run on the qualifier he laid down this morning.  Will have to re-qualify.

More stuff -- on second discussion, Al could run on that qualifier with a replacement tire - if he replaced it with the exact same tire and wheel.  It's a Dunlop Sportmax GP 200/55 17 -- and nobody else out here has one, including Lamb's pit.  So -- new tire, new qualifying run.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 21, 2011, 12:56:14 PM
By the way, the audio feed is fantastic again today :cheers: Thank you tower crew :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: nrhs sales on September 21, 2011, 12:58:20 PM
way to go Richard Assen!!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: joea on September 21, 2011, 01:06:50 PM
awesome Job...!!!!! Al and Richard....!!!!!

Joe :)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sabat on September 21, 2011, 01:07:08 PM
Quote from: Bobby c on September 21, 2011, 12:45:10 PM
WTG Richard  :cheers: 261.243mph  :cheers:


Congrats! Fastest open bike record on the salt!!!!    :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: CGoodson on September 21, 2011, 01:17:07 PM
Was wondering what motor and fuel is the Speed Demon running this weekend at the shootout? What is the existing record he is going for?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 01:31:47 PM
Poteen & Main are running in FIA class A-I-10, the I being turbo/supercharged, the 10 being 5 to 8 liter,the record being 406.321 mph.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 21, 2011, 01:45:59 PM
Hey guys, is the audio down, or is it just on my end?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 01:47:08 PM
So - nothing is as constant as change itself.  Here's what I'm hearing now:

Speed Demon is for sure planing to run soon.  Ron was out aligning the cones for George to use as a guide when returning to the pit in the SD at the end of a run.  And Gary Garcia and Mike Jr. are polishing the course down here in the pits, too.  It's become a bit chopped up during the past few days.  I'll put photos here in a minute.  But first,to continue this dialog:

And now I hear that Nish isn't necessarily done after all, and they are working in the pits, body off the car.  No sign of putting it in the trailer and packing up the pit.

A bike just fired up in the Lamb/Porterfield pit --= likely Al's, with the new tire.  No confirmation on that, though.

They're celebrating (still) in the Kiwi pit, but maybe Richard will make another run on the record -- now his record, pending that cert., of course, this afternoon.

And we're still awaiting the turbo 250.  I hope we get done waiting before the event ends.  And yes, I'm about to enter the bike into WF.

As for audio -- nothing's going on, nothing' much on the radio (except taking turns deciding who's going to lunch next).
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BHR301 on September 21, 2011, 01:51:00 PM
Audio is down..at least here in MI.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 21, 2011, 02:06:12 PM
Working again (meredix is broadcasting again on the landspeed channel).\\Mike
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2011, 02:08:42 PM
Richard Assen is gonna need at least a week to get that smile off his face.

Erin Hunter and Andy Sills got tired of riding the BMW "two-up" so they decided to try it with the Burt Munro commemorative trailer. 

And Poteet & Main have a new crewmember.

(it's a little slow here.)

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2011, 02:16:04 PM
audio is back
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2011, 02:19:07 PM
No Problem
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 02:41:41 PM
Hey, thanks to everone for the heads up(s).  It's an LSR community effort.  Don't know why we dropped offline.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 02:49:49 PM
Ron Main just announced on the CB that they're about to start the SD engine.  Their support/engine starting truck is busy grading the course but heading back to the pit for the car-start. 

A nice long railroad train just went past.  I'm sorry that I didn't get a count on the number and typesof cars, but it did have three locomotives. 

And Enola Gay Cafe is closing up and heading home (all the way to Wendover) at the end of today's activities.  They will be at WF, Jasie reminds us.  I wonder if it's a good thing - - that I'm getting more and more enjoyment out of the cheeseburgers they serve up.  Three days in a row!  That's new for me - I usually switch around on the menu.  Whatever, the EGC crew has been out here doing a great job.  Visit them on Facebook, she says - or better still, on the Salt.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 02:59:40 PM
Speed Demon engine just ran for a few moments.  Sounded okay from here, about 50 yards away.

Oooh, oooh, a permit semi carrying a tower part for a wind generator just passed on westbound I-80.  That's about the zillionth one we've seen since SpeedWeek began. :roll:

In other news, Leslie and Al have got their bikes running in the pits and have asked Mike Cook for permission to take them to the 1 1/2 for some testing -- not official qualifying runs, but testing under power and on the track.  They're still in the pit - will keep you up to date.

Nothing new from the Nish pit.

Jim Texican just drove up and says the Speed Demon bodywork is on the car and the transporter trailer is now moving into position to load the car.  We might have a run in an hour or so.  Get some work done now -- might have to ask the boss for an extended break later on. . .
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 03:31:12 PM
Speed Demon is at the far end of the track getting ready for a down run.  Leslie and Jamie are going to ride their bikes to the four, one at a time, testing, then will ride together back here to the pits.  They'll do it soon - or hold off 'til Speed Demon runs.  

It looks like Nish is packing it up -- awnings are down and car is lined up to go into the trailer.

Jamie Wagner on the 968 bike just drove out of the pits and will test on his way to the 4 mile.  Leslie hasn't left here yet.

(break of a few minutes)

Leslie has started the bike and is moving out of the pit and heading to where Jamie is hanging out on the return road.  They'll then ride back to the pits (here) together.  Then the track will be open for the Speed Demon.

About the Nish car/team:  Now I know why there's no activity in the Nish pit -- the entire crew has gone to the spectator area, in the neighborhood of the timed stretch, to watch the Speed Demon go through at full song.  I don't blame them -- wish we could go down there, too.  Ah, the rigors of being a pit area steward.

Leslie's engine is cutting off and back on.  No further information yet.  She's at the 2 mile and slowing.

(BREAK)

Ooops, I've been lying to you.  Earlier in this post I said it was Al on the 968 bike -- it was Jamie Wagner.  I'll go back and change the name.

Speed Demon team is icing the intercooler right now.  Tighten your seat belts, folks.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2011, 03:44:39 PM
Since things are picking up a bit, I'll post a few photos.

Al Lamb's blistered/chunked tire

His bike getting a little fine tuning

Jamie willam's bike getting a cleaning from the oil that came from a loose oil filter...apparently no damage to the engine

Richard Assen checking his spark plugs carefully after the FIM inspection.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 21, 2011, 03:48:53 PM
Anyone know where we can buy a new refresh button? Mine seems to be wearing out! :-D


Credit due to Glen, I stole this line from him last night!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 03:49:53 PM
George is in the car.  More soon, but fill your coffee/pop cups and sit still.  Hope the refresh button has icewater cooling for the next few minutes.

Course is clear, Jamie's bike (not running/runable for unknown reason) is on the trailer at the two mile and being moved to safe area.  They'll stay down at their position 'til after George runs. 

Speed Demon support crew truck is about at half course and waiting for the car to pass.  Course is clear and turned over to timing stand, who has turned it over to Cook Sr. with the SD car.  Engine running.  Canopy is down.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: SPARKY on September 21, 2011, 03:50:05 PM
This just to  8-)  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 03:53:55 PM
Speed Demon #715 is under way, off the push truck.  (post)

Smoke appears to be coming from the car per Cook -- rolling Fire and Ambulance.  Everyone else hold still.

He's pulled off to the side at the 11 mile.  No smoke right now, but fire still rolling.  Canopy is open.

George is out of the car and Cook reports oil on the ground.  George activated fire system.  More smoke coming from the car.

Fire #2 is now rolling, ambulance is on the scene.

Ambulance and Fire has now been stood down - no report on the issue yet.  Will keep this up to date.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 21, 2011, 04:02:45 PM
Wanted, fingernails!!!! mine are chewed to the bone!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: 836dstr on September 21, 2011, 04:03:56 PM
BUMMER!

Well, now I can go fix lunch.

Tom
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2011, 04:05:13 PM
EVs and P&M trailer heading for Speed Demon's location near the 10 mile.

I'd go check what's happening, but we're locked down at the mountain end of the course.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Alan9999 on September 21, 2011, 04:08:52 PM
Who drove Fire-2?  Any new members of the Wendover FD?  :lol:

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 04:10:49 PM
James was opening the truck door ready to go when the ambulance came past and dropped a driver.  A full service event timer wears many hats.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2011, 04:12:27 PM
95 people signed on right now.  Add 15 more since I posted.  110  now


What's the biggest anyone has seen either for this meet or any other?

FREUD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 21, 2011, 04:13:35 PM
Well Slim, it appears you've started a new era of LSR. Thanks for this.
  Sid.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 04:14:36 PM
Okay, threw a rod and ventilated the block.  
The 347 motor is done for the event.


The 299 inch V8 should be in the car and ready to run by first thing tomorrow, and the 4-cyl. is in the trailer, too.

Never give up!  Bikes will run soon, course is still locked down.

Freud, two years ago during the Shootout we had 192 total on line at one time, and last year had 180.  Still waiting for this year's highest.

Speaking of which (audience) -- we've had one of the folks in the area here offer a "matching grant" kind of donation.  They'll donate up the $300 if it's matched by the total group of internet viewers of the event.  No big hurry -- the offer is open for a week or so.  But they did ask me to mention it.  I wouldn't have asked for $$ if the offer hadn't been made with the stipulation that I proclaim it to the world.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 21, 2011, 04:15:33 PM
The link was posted in a HAMB thread, when that happens expect a TON of viewers. There is not a bigger more viewed hot rod board on the web.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BudJ63 on September 21, 2011, 04:18:18 PM
Quote from: Freud on September 21, 2011, 04:12:27 PM
95 people signed on right now.  Add 15 more since I posted.  110  now


What's the biggest anyone has seen either for this meet or any other?

FREUD

Don't know about this event exactly but this is from the bottom of page one of the Forum.

"Most Online Today: 213. Most Online Ever: 312 (May 03, 2011, 02:05:41 AM) "

Don't know what was going on on May 3rd.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 04:19:19 PM
Tman, that's cool with me!  The more folks that watch this stuff -- the better, and HAMB people are danged near as good as LSR ones (just had to say that -- watch the hackles rise now :evil: :evil:).

BUDJ63 --

Geez, I hadn't seen that.  Cool-o-matic, and I guess I'd better look at the stats more often, hey?  Thanks.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2011, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: Freud on September 21, 2011, 04:12:27 PM
95 people signed on right now.  Add 15 more since I posted.  110  now

FREUD

Glad ya could make it, Doc.  :)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2011, 04:19:58 PM
May 3rd at 2:09 AM  WOW......

FREUD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
Mojave Mile?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Freud on September 21, 2011, 04:22:03 PM
Did they run the Mile at night?

FREUD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 04:22:54 PM
Spammers on the other side of the world?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BudJ63 on September 21, 2011, 04:24:22 PM
Just searched May 2nd.........


Bin Laden killed
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 04:25:54 PM
Oh, our new national holiday.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: ChrisLenahan on September 21, 2011, 04:27:18 PM
I think the times listed on here are GMT.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Alan9999 on September 21, 2011, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: BudJ63 on September 21, 2011, 04:24:22 PM
Just searched May 2nd.........


Bin Laden killed

This board is a Spook-Opp of the CIA?   Cool!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BudJ63 on September 21, 2011, 04:28:48 PM
I few race teams could be doubles for SEAL teams!  :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 04:30:31 PM
If I might interrupt this discussion of the website's various conceptual frammistans, the bikes are about to run again.  They'll start, as earlier, at about the 1 1/2.  I haven't heard which one will run yet - will keep you up to date.  (post)

Bike 1979, Al Lamb, is rolling.  Through the three mile.  Slowing at the 3 3/4.  Fire and Ambulance rolling just in case.  Bike is at the return road, thumbs up, rider and bike are okay.

Al reported big vibration, shut down just in case.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: desotoman on September 21, 2011, 04:31:54 PM
Quote from: Freud on September 21, 2011, 04:19:58 PM
May 3rd at 2:09 AM  WOW......

FREUD

Most Online Today: 213. Most Online Ever: 312 (May 02, 2011, 11:05:41 PM)

That is what shows up on my screen. But I have my time set for Pacific Time.

Tom G.

PS. SSS when is Nancy's bike showing up??????????
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 21, 2011, 04:32:11 PM
Quote from: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 04:19:19 PM
Tman, that's cool with me!  The more folks that watch this stuff -- the better, and HAMB people are danged near as good as LSR ones (just had to say that -- watch the hackles rise now :evil: :evil:).

BUDJ63 --

Geez, I hadn't seen that.  Cool-o-matic, and I guess I'd better look at the stats more often, hey?  Thanks.

Jon, looking at whos online I see a ton of HAMBers registered here as well! If anyone knows how to drive traffic it is Ryan on the HAMB. I hope the increase will lead to more ad dollars for you!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: desotoman on September 21, 2011, 04:39:40 PM
SSS,

I just had a great thought. Go ask George Poteet to donate the ventilated block to Landracing.com. That would be a great item for the site to auction off, and raise some money to keep operating, and keep George and Ron's name in the news.

Tom G.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2011, 04:44:59 PM
Tom G. Buy it for your collection :roll: :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: desotoman on September 21, 2011, 04:51:36 PM
Quote from: Glen on September 21, 2011, 04:44:59 PM
Tom G. Buy it for your collection :roll: :-D

Glen,

It would be a great wall hanger. I would bid on it if it was auctioned here, only to help the site. Otherwise I am not interested, as you have pointed out I have enough junk.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Tom G.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Anvil* on September 21, 2011, 04:52:45 PM
Posted the link to the Loctite zone, they have 2010 up.
http://www.youtube.com/user/loctite

Do they have an idea when the new stuff might be up?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: trimmers on September 21, 2011, 05:08:05 PM
Hey, Slim:

When I was there yesterday, one of the P&M guys told me they had a "B" (366 to 440? No rule book in hand) motor, in addition to the now-ventilated 347 ("C") unit.  There was also talk earlier of "the big motor".  Any idea what that might be?

With all the drive line problems, maybe the "D" (299) motor is in order.

There were about 10 or 12 of us down at the 5 & 1/2 yesterday when George went by at 357/358/362.  I certainly won't forget that!

Also, any flamingo sightings yet?

I'm in SLC now.  Back there tomorrow - hope somebody's still there after all the carnage!

Jeff from Boise
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 21, 2011, 05:11:11 PM
Great link  :-D Thank you for sharing!!!! And Thank you Loctite for your support of LSR :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 21, 2011, 05:16:41 PM
Quote from: Bobby c on September 21, 2011, 05:11:11 PM
Great link  :-D Thank you for sharing!!!! And Thank you Loctite for your support of LSR :cheers:

X2
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 05:17:14 PM
We're a few minutes from a run by Al on the 1979 bike.  Not much else going on now.  Erin and Andy, the "tandem bike" riders, have left the salt.  Speed Demon is in the pit and being worked on.  Leslie and her bike are in the pit.

Locking down the salt for Al's run.  Running in about thirty seconds per James Rice in the timing tower.

No run - electrical problem, returning to pits.  Salt is unlocked.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 21, 2011, 05:17:35 PM
Go Leslie!!!! lay down a good run!!!!!!
sorry I ment All but never mind :-P
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: mtkawboy on September 21, 2011, 05:23:11 PM
A bunch of guys on the jalopy forum on a post about Speed Demon were asking about where to get info online about the racing so I posted the link. I hope that was OK to do. Ill take the blame if it wasnt.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 21, 2011, 05:25:31 PM
It's OK and maybe a few $$$ donations from them as well.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 05:35:26 PM
Heck, that was no fun.  Leslie got on the bike and rode down to the 1 1/2 start line (for bikes).  Got there -- sputtering and coughing (bike, not Leslie) and shut it down and now the retrieval truck is going to fetch her.  No runs now after all.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 21, 2011, 05:42:57 PM
Leslie needs a little help from the salt gods!!!! Sending positive vibes her way 8-)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 21, 2011, 05:47:34 PM
Speed Demon running the 299 inch motor drops them to class 9.

They would be running against the 363.673 record they set last year.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2011, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: Dean Los Angeles on September 21, 2011, 05:47:34 PM
Speed Demon running the 299 inch motor drops them to class 9.

They would be running against the 363.673 record they set last year.

You are correct.  They have been running the 347" "D" or class 10 (I think) motor until the connecting rods got scared of working in the dark and opened up a hole to let some light in.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 06:26:45 PM
Done for the day, per Mike Cook.  The Texans were the holdout, chasing gremlins, but they've given up for now.  Fire and Ambulance are headed on out, and we're packing it up.  Return at 7.30 tomorrow is the call - for 8 AM launch.  See you later -- will post other stuff as I find it during the evening.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 21, 2011, 06:35:09 PM
Thank you all for another day of top notch reporting :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 06:35:26 PM
Vehicle:   1976    
09-21-11    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 59.1F  SP:25.83in  DA: 5080ft
Wind:5mph from the W    
Turn Out                                
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-21-11    09:45:01 09:45:17
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   3.0625056  222.540mph
Dn Kilo   10.0027553  223.632mph
Dn Exit    3.0372313  224.392mph
Dn Mile   16.1024922  223.567mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 59.8F  SP:25.83in  DA: 5122ft
Wind:3mph from the W    
                                        
 
Vehicle:   1979    
09-21-11    09:48:31 09:48:46
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.8311282  240.727mph
Dn Kilo    9.3006142  240.514mph
Dn Exit    2.8450645  239.548mph
Dn Mile   14.9768069  240.371mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 60.1F  SP:25.83in  DA: 5142ft
Wind:2mph from the W    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    519    
09-21-11    09:53:41 09:53:54
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry   2.5744178  264.732mph
Dn Kilo    8.4876350  263.552mph
Dn Exit    2.5958686  262.544mph
Dn Mile   13.6579214  263.583mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 60.4F  SP:25.84in  DA: 5150ft
Wind:2mph from the W    
                                        
 
Vehicle:    519    
09-21-11    10:32:01 10:31:47
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   2.6445808  257.708mph
Rt Kilo    8.6281988  259.258mph
Rt Exit    2.6298418  259.153mph
Rt Mile   13.9026214  258.943mph
        
Temp: 62.5F  SP:25.84in  DA: 5284ft
Wind:6mph from the SSW  
                                        
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-21-11    __:__:__ 10:36:08
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry   4.5012799  151.408mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 63.1F  SP:25.83in  DA: 5337ft
Wind:7mph from the SSW  
Shut down at timed mile                
 
Vehicle:    968    
09-21-11    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 73.3F  SP:25.81in  DA: 6005ft
Wind:5mph from the SSE  
short test run 1.5 to 4                
 
Vehicle:   1976    
09-21-11    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 73.7F  SP:25.81in  DA: 6027ft
Wind:5mph from the SSE  
Short test run 1.5 to 4                
 
Vehicle:    715    
09-21-11    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 74.8F  SP:25.81in  DA: 6095ft
Wind:5mph from the SSE  
Turn Out dropped oil at 10 mile        
 
Vehicle:   1979    
09-21-11    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 77.2F  SP:25.79in  DA: 6269ft
Wind:6mph from the ENE  
No Start                                
 
Vehicle:   1976    
09-21-11    __:__:__ __:__:__
          ETs         Speeds
Dn Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Dn Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Entry  ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Kilo   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Exit   ---.------  ---.---mph
Rt Mile   ---.------  ---.---mph
        
Temp: 77.0F  SP:25.78in  DA: 6268ft
Wind:5mph from the E    
short test run from 1.5 to 4 stoped at 3
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: trimmers on September 21, 2011, 06:37:45 PM
Ray:

Again, I don't have my rule book handy, but wouldn't a 347" engine be a "C", rather than a "D"?

Jeff
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Stan Back on September 21, 2011, 07:09:26 PM
Where's Nancy's bike?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: John Noonan on September 21, 2011, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: Stan Back on September 21, 2011, 07:09:26 PM
Where's Nancy's bike?

SLC@HUP
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: saltwheels262 on September 21, 2011, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: Glen on September 21, 2011, 04:44:59 PM
Tom G. Buy it for your collection :roll: :-D
I don't know tom g., and no offense-
that's a good 1.

franey
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 21, 2011, 08:38:36 PM
Quote
Ray:

Again, I don't have my rule book handy, but wouldn't a 347" engine be a "C", rather than a "D"?

Jeff

Correct - C 306-372 cid
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 21, 2011, 08:43:16 PM
just tuned in..... looks like it was a fun day..... Slim, where the heck is Nancy's bike?
kent
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 21, 2011, 08:44:07 PM
Quote from: trimmers on September 21, 2011, 06:37:45 PM
Ray:

Again, I don't have my rule book handy, but wouldn't a 347" engine be a "C", rather than a "D"?

Jeff

Yep.  I said it wrong.  Too many days in the sun.  :)  299 = "D", 347 = "C".
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: jimmy six on September 21, 2011, 09:54:47 PM
Can't seem to find them but don't the FIA engine class sizes differ from the SCTA?

Not positive but don't records only set at Speed Week, World of Speed and World Finals count for the records in the SCTA Rule book?

I thought all the "shootout speeds" were for FIA, FIM and personal best and advertising like the 2-up................
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 09:58:21 PM
FIA

Class 8 -- 2 lier to 3 liter

Class 9 -- 3L to 5L

Class 10 -- 6L to 8L

Class 11 -- 8L & up
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 10:02:52 PM
A long day out at the tower.  Didn't realize there were only 5 runs until the day's speeds were handed off on a USB memory stick from James Rice at Chronologic and posted on here.  Still, there was a lot of excitement when Richard Assen made his record pass.  At the first drivers meeting Mike Cook asked each driver and rider what speed they were shooting for.  Assen said 260.  
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 21, 2011, 10:08:34 PM
You are correct. SCTA references are because we don't know different.  :-P
FIA
1     Up to    250 cm3       
2     Over    250 cm3    to    350 cm3
3     Over    350 cm3    to    500 cm3
4     Over    500 cm3    to    750 cm3
5     Over    750 cm3    to    1100 cm3
6     Over    1100 cm3    to    1500 cm3
7     Over    1500 cm3    to    2000 cm3
8     Over    2000 cm3    to    3000 cm3
9     Over    3000 cm3    to    5000 cm3
10     Over    5000 cm3    to    8000 cm3
11     Over    8000 cm3

 Group I :    Reciprocating 2 or 4 stroke engine with supercharger
 Group II :    Reciprocating 2 or 4 stroke engine without supercharger
 Group III :    Diesel cycle engine with supercharger
 Group IV :    Diesel cycle engine without supercharger
 Group V :    Rotary engine with supercharger
 Group VI :    Rotary engine without supercharger                  
 Group XV : Hydrogen reciprocating engine

 Group VII : Solar powered
 Group VIII : Electrical engine
 Group IX :    Turbine engine
 Group X :    Steam engine                  
 Group XI :    Hybrid engine                  
 Group XIV: Fuel Cell engine     


And that's it. Don't care what the car looks like.
Records at Bonneville are flying start 1km and mile. There are also standing start records from 1/4 mile through 5000 mile.            
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 21, 2011, 10:22:53 PM
Dave Petrali, USAC VP of Testing Operations is with James Rice at the tower.  He's been able to answer my questions with some print outs of the criteria on the cars that came to run.  Warum einfach wenn komplizert geht's auch, as my Kraut forebearers said.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 21, 2011, 11:43:11 PM
A lot of credit should go to Richard Assen's engine builder.  That motor made a lot of runs and held up well.  Quite an accomplishment. 
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 22, 2011, 07:22:49 AM
Wobbly, the first run came from Floating Island to the freeway.  As Assen rolled into his pit, one of the crew turned on a leaf blower before the bike was in the chock and poked it into the front of the fairing behind the tire to continue cooling the motor.  They do that at both ends of the runs. 
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: **RP** on September 22, 2011, 08:05:30 AM
Quote from: Bobby c on September 21, 2011, 05:11:11 PM
Great link  :-D Thank you for sharing!!!! And Thank you Loctite for your support of LSR :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 22, 2011, 10:06:24 AM
Sound check?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BudJ63 on September 22, 2011, 10:07:53 AM
Loud and clear.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2011, 10:10:17 AM
good in southern Utah :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 22, 2011, 10:12:43 AM
Thanks, gentlemen.  Bikes are getting ready to run from the mountain.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 10:22:27 AM
Bikes are about to run.

First up will be 1979, underway heading to Floating Island.  Looking to beat 225 mph.  The Lamb/Porterfield pit found some elect. problems overnight -- grounding on the data acq./ECU stuff.  Found and fixed -- wait for the speeds and we'll see.

Entering timed stretch:   entry  241   kilo  243  mile  242.9   Yup, sounds like they found whatever it was.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: theazoldcrow on September 22, 2011, 10:23:46 AM
 :cheers:  Sounds good, 5 by 5 here in Arizona!  Thanks again!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 22, 2011, 10:25:25 AM
Morning Speed Demon report?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 10:26:32 AM
Bike 1979 on course at the 8 and slowing.  Rider is Al Lamb, I believe -- oughta be smiling now, hey?

Next bike will be be Jamie Williams, bike 968.

Speed Demon is wrenching to get the 299 ci engine into the car and ready to run.  Last forecast was mid-morning today.

Bike 968 is running on a 216 record, bike is now rolling.

Into the five, big smoke reports course, bike is down, emergency rolling, rider jumped off and is on his feet, bike is on fire, rider is okay.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 22, 2011, 10:26:59 AM
My bad on which direction.  The wife calls every morning to brow beat me when I should be taking care of details.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 10:28:20 AM
Bike 968 on course at the four mile, gaining speed, at the four, in high gear.

Bike made big smoke, bike is down, rider jumped off and is okay, fire is on scene, bike on fire, rider has helmet off.

Now reports fire is out, will do a course sweep, of course.  Fire is confirmed out.


All is on hold now 'til the incident is examined and mapped.  Down for at least fifteen minutes per tower right now.  Further will follow.  Warner reports first seeing smoke at about the 4 3/4, Junior is already there to start reconstructing.

Jamie is okay per Mike Cook.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 10:37:32 AM
I'll be posting photos of Jamie's incident in a minute or two, but in the interim, here's a shot of Al Lamb qualifying for a record.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 22, 2011, 10:40:21 AM
It's Ray the Rat's birthday.  Happy Birthday Ray, and what a great place to spend it.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: theazoldcrow on September 22, 2011, 10:41:33 AM
 :-D
Happy Birthday Ray!  Hope you have many, many more to come!  One day at a time!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BudJ63 on September 22, 2011, 10:41:51 AM
Happy Birthday Ray! :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Scooter on September 22, 2011, 10:42:11 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY RAY!!!! Can't thank you and the SSS crew et al for keeping all of us who can't be there up to date and the goings on on the SALT. It is the next best thing to being there and we are all in your debt
Scooter
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2011, 10:42:36 AM
Happy Birthday Ray
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 22, 2011, 10:43:48 AM
Happy Birthday Ray :-D Thank you again for the downright fantastic reporting!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2011, 10:48:58 AM
Any time frame on when Poteet & Main will run??
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 10:50:04 AM
Thanks, all.  I can't think of a better place to spend a birthday.

Here are the first 4 shots of Jamie's incident:

Pulling off course,

Laying the bike down cuz it was already ablaze,

Getting up to see what the h*ll just happened and...

...watching his bike burn.  Major Bummer!

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 10:51:06 AM
Sorry for the pause -- had to be a course worker and deliver some oil dry to the scene of the incident.  Jamie's bike and crew are just now driving back to the pits, and we're beginning the lockdown for more runs.

Richard's next.  He's got the land speed Eagle tire on the rear of the bike - will test (and be pleased if he can qualify, but first is testing).  He said they were waiting when the 968 bike left for the trun.  Saw him leave, saw the puff of smoke -- and right away took of his helmet and figured (correctly) that it'd be a few minutes, at least.

Assen is ready to run on his bike #519.

Assen is under way.  Running on a 262 or so record -- but not necessarily trying to qualify.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Montlhery on September 22, 2011, 10:52:22 AM
Looks like I am not going to get any sleep again ,Thanks also for the radio broadcast as well it is fantastic to listen from Australia .Congats to Al and Richard on great runs ,Hopefully Leslie can get a good run in as well !
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 10:54:55 AM
Assen is through the four and moving right smart down the race course.  Entering timed stretch on this test run.

Entering mile    entry speed 242   kilo speed  2241.9  mile 241.0   
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: nrhs sales on September 22, 2011, 10:55:08 AM
glad the rider is okay. That was a little too scary!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 10:57:32 AM
Al Lamb qualified, so will probably return (probably?).  Assen might return, might not.  No word on the 715 car -- but it's wearing the nose body.  The trailer is hooked to the transport truck.  Further when I find information.  Gotta stay close to the radios when we're running - will go to 715 pit when I can get there. . . soon.

Looks like about 15-25 minutes 'til Al is ready to return run.  That'd make it about a quarter after the hour.

Hey - let's all thank Ray for the super photos of the incident.  Glad he was there - great photo documentation, hey?  Nice of him to give us a present for his birthday anniversary.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 11:07:53 AM
Next 4 from the "incident," mainly the fire trucks arriving on the scene.



Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 11:10:44 AM
We're getting ready for those return runs.  Al will be first, trying to back up that 242, and then Richard will ride it back to the pits to swap some bodywork.  Five minutes 'til lockdown.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2011, 11:12:06 AM
What caused the fire??
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 11:13:32 AM
Quote from: Glen on September 22, 2011, 11:12:06 AM
What caused the fire??

Motor grenade.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: bak189 on September 22, 2011, 11:15:28 AM
Happy, Birthday Ray......hey, Ray are you certain it is OK. to publish the pic. of the mishap..........................
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 11:20:15 AM
Al Lamb is on the 1979 bike and starting the engine for his return run, trying to back up his 242 (on a 225 record).  Bike is on the move.

Through the two mile, did he shut it off (asks tower)?  bike is stopped at the 3 1/2.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 22, 2011, 11:21:06 AM
Its a fire..... What mishap... Probably motor issue and had a fire... You make it sound like something more.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 22, 2011, 11:23:26 AM
Happy B-day ya ol fart! A big thanks for what you're doing 'to' us here.
  Sid.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: bak189 on September 22, 2011, 11:15:28 AM
Happy, Birthday Ray......hey, Ray are you certain it is OK. to publish the pic. of the mishap..........................

Thank you for the BD wishes.

As far as the ok to publish, as far as I'm concerned, yes.  No serious injury, no sponsor conflicts, nothing negative...only very smart action on the part of the rider and very quick response by the fire crews.   Although it's unfortunate that Jamie blew the motor big time, the story is a "good news" one.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 11:30:30 AM
Next 4 as the fire gets extinguished.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 11:41:51 AM
I talkecd with one of the crew Jamie's trailer -- and Ray, I think your on-the-scene comment -- "motor grenaded" was spot-on.  It was a bit more than a motor fire, I'd say -- what with pistons lying in the belly pan as of right now. 

Al's aborted run was an electrical farkle of some kind -- Reese, in his pit, just headed to Al's bike with the laptop to re-set the ECU and get the bike ready to run (better).  The 2-hour window is still open and Charlie and Drew agree that the work is acceptable without jeopardising the status of the run(s).  If they can get it done and the bike through the last light in the next half hour or so -- it's still a legal return run.

Poteet and main have the new 299 inch engine in the car and are close to ready to test start and run it.  They'll then proceed to running -- maybe one hour or more, but they're moving ahead with plans to run more.

Gee, maybe the event will stay exciting right through the end of it, hey?

Assen and crew and bike are back in the pit to swap bodywork.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 11:43:29 AM
And the last 4.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 11:49:24 AM
Back to racing, fans.  Drew is ready to send Al on the 1979 bike.  Course is secure, bike is running, bike is under way.

On course at the eight.  Running on a 225 record, down run was 242.  Through the 7, nearing the timed stretch.

Entry speed 241   kilo  240.5  mile not reported.  That'll back it up, for sure -- pending cert.

Bike has stopped at the 3 1/4 (from the pits).  Speeds:    240.549  kilo  240.919 mile
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on September 22, 2011, 11:51:49 AM
Many thanks for the great coverage guys! I had planned to be there but my Dodge truck puked!  :-o [BTW: It's a Dakota!]

Instead I got to stay home with the flu but did get to see Joe and Keith get approved for the Ohio Mile!  :-)

Happy Birthday Ray! Another Ray - Martha Raye always said, "Birthdays are great, but too many of them will kill you!"  :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: fredvance on September 22, 2011, 11:55:40 AM
Way to go Al!! Great to see a Honda going fast. I love em almost as much as my busa. :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 22, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
Great shots Ray! 3 cheers for Wendover Fire :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 12:00:16 PM
Al's record averages:  kilo  241.819,  mile 241.918.  Pending certification, but Drew's at the pit now to measure and seal the engine.

I hear the Poteet and Main car running - first time with the new motor.  Good sound.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 12:02:15 PM
Here's Al at speed.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bob Drury on September 22, 2011, 12:06:45 PM
  I can see a need for a SFI Titanium Catchers Cup.
  Unfortunatley, some of you bike riders have to big of balls to potect.............. :-D
  Anyway, it look's like everyone did a great job of responding, and I am glad the piston ended up in the pan, and didn't go up...........    Bob
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 12:17:46 PM
Just in case you might have wondered what Jamie's bike looked like when it wasn't burning, here's a shot of it about 30 minutes before its untimely demise.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: TINY on September 22, 2011, 12:21:11 PM
You know I still cannot beleive people questioning about pictures of incidents when things like this happens at SCTA event the vehicle gets covered up & no pics
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bob Drury on September 22, 2011, 12:26:35 PM
  Tiny, I think that is only true in the event of a tragedy.
  Last year at Speedweek I was pitted near Stringfellow and Kirk and the carnage of their car was trailered back to their pit.                 Bob
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: thundersalt on September 22, 2011, 12:26:43 PM
Is it just me or does everyones audio go out every time right before speed demon runs?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sabat on September 22, 2011, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 12:00:16 PM
Al's record averages:  kilo  241.819,  mile 241.918.  Pending certification, but Drew's at the pit now to measure and seal the engine.

I hear the Poteet and Main car running - first time with the new motor.  Good sound.

Congrats to Al Lamb, that is one fast modified 1000!!!!     :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 12:28:34 PM
Poteet and Main car is on the trailer and being readied to move to the far end of the course.  Leslie Porterfield is preparing for a run, which'll happen before the Speed Demon car runs.  Sorta like a race to the start line?  

IF Speed Demon runs -- it'll be at least an hour from now.

Speed Demon has left the pits and is trailering to the far end.  Leslie is about to leave the pits to the 1 1/2 for a run - will ride the bike down,not trailer it.  Engine running, warming, starting to move.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: DSR88 on September 22, 2011, 12:30:29 PM
Lost sound :-o
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 22, 2011, 12:30:34 PM
Is the audio down or is it just me?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 22, 2011, 12:34:12 PM
Sound check?  Gremlin in the broadcast computer or from the server, don't know which.  Little window says contact admin, but I'll just keep refreshing during important times.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 22, 2011, 12:35:17 PM
Audio back 5x5 :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: DSR88 on September 22, 2011, 12:38:39 PM
Sound is back THANKS!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 12:54:00 PM
Looks like Leslie made it aout 200 yards, the bike quit, has now been tailered back to thepit - again.  In the meantime, Drew is finished measuring Al's bike, so that is a soog thing.  Speed Demon is near the far end (trailering at 10 mph on a bumpy twelve-mile-long track takes a while.  10 MPH?  Well, maybe they wind it up to 20 on the good parts -- but not much more than that.  Stay tuned, but nothing happening right now.  Assen still fitting some other obdywork.  We're still waiting to hear from the shop n Sandy about when (if?) the little bike will get here.  Sure is depressing. . . :cry:

Assen's engine is being run -- sounds nice from 150 yards. . .
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sheEmoto on September 22, 2011, 12:57:58 PM
Really great to hear of Al's record - congratulations all!   And thanks Slim and Nancy for the reporting - it gives a soft landing to being back in the office  :cry:  after being on The Salt yesterday  :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 22, 2011, 01:03:12 PM
Hey Erin, It looked like you and Andy were having way too much fun out there :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 01:04:50 PM
George is in the car and they're getting ready to run the Speed Demon.  They'll run on their own record -- about 363 with the little D motor.  Maybe two minutes -- course is clear and locked down.

Engine on the Speed Demon is started.  Chase vehicle in position, support truck at the six mile, canopy is down, car is moving out.

Car is off the push truck.  

Course steward reports a vehicle on the track.  WHAT!!!???

Car is at the nine and accelerating.  Through the eight.  Entering timed stretch  436 entry   kilo  441  mile 441  exit 445

Chute is out, cheering in the SD pit.  

Car is in the pit, engine idling 'til it stopped moving, shut off, starting return prep.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 22, 2011, 01:10:34 PM
 :-o
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 01:12:36 PM
Speeds once again:

Entry 436   kilo  441.2   mile  441.0  exit  445.5

That's with the little V8, boys and girls.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sabat on September 22, 2011, 01:14:39 PM
Wow. 299ci.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BrentMalone on September 22, 2011, 01:17:17 PM
Wow. hopefully they can back that up.
do another run like that and that record will be blown out of the water.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: 836dstr on September 22, 2011, 01:18:12 PM
AMAZING!  What an effort!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 22, 2011, 01:18:15 PM
My jaw hurts from hitting the ground. Holy cow...445mph with 299 cubic inches. GIT-R-DONE boys!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 22, 2011, 01:20:29 PM
The sound of it dropped slightly as it came into the mile, but the engine sounded great going past the tower and on through the lights.   Fantastic.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 22, 2011, 01:20:47 PM
Nothing like adding 80 mph to a record.

Ron could stick a kart engine in it and still go 300.

UN BEE LEAVE ABLE.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 22, 2011, 01:22:28 PM
Holy shoot.......out!!!!  He can back that up in 2nd gear!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 01:25:36 PM
I'm kinda of pre-occupied, but someone is welcome to dig back and find the photos I posted a while back of the SD engine on the test stand.  Remember the fancy pipe organ of exhaust pipes?

By the way, the car lost some of the rubber skirting that's on the bottom along the frontof the car -- skirting to control the air.  They're out on the course now picking it up.  And George has asked that some of the course marker flags be changed from orange to black.  Junior and Garcia are out there doing that now.

No big problems being found at the pit.  42 minutes remain in the one-hour turnaround window.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 01:31:47 PM
About 37 minutes remain - and the body is being put back on the car.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bob Drury on September 22, 2011, 01:32:44 PM
  Amazing!!   I wonder what kind of boost that motor makes?
  Does anyone know what the aproximate frontal area is on that car?  I can't imagine one with less drag.
  I sure would like to see a in car video..........  sitting (laying?) that low, the ground must just be a blur.......            Bob
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 22, 2011, 01:35:04 PM
Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7tf6nGA1U4
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 01:38:52 PM
Car is being moved from pit to race track.  Locking down the area.  Car is at the zero but will start under power at about the 1/2-- past the bump (ravine).  But -- if that's the case, why do I see the car on the ground right here in the pits?  The 1/2 mile start information was from the race director -- maybe George changed his mind.

Course workers report two black bags at the start of the timed mile, two at the end.  All secure in the course area -- save it's kinda hectic at the SD #715 car, on the course.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Hans Blom on September 22, 2011, 01:39:27 PM
This is so cool...sitting in Norway listening to crystal clear radio of the shootout.....not quite as cool as being there, but I'll take it.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 01:42:01 PM
Tower reports a clear course.  George is starting the engine.  Nice sound, wish you were here.  I'll key the mic as he passes my position.

Canopy is down.

Sounds like engine is off -- blew another drivetrain?

Everyone, including SD car, is stopped about the 1 1/2 mile.  Some kind of malfunction per Mike Cook. 

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 22, 2011, 01:44:40 PM
DANG :-(
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dynoroom on September 22, 2011, 01:45:16 PM
Here ya go....
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sodbuster on September 22, 2011, 01:49:11 PM
That happened yesterday for me on the return run. Here is today's run.


http://2.recordertheapp.com/9465f0f0495b0b47f299/

Chris Nelson
Kansas

Quote from: thundersalt on September 22, 2011, 12:26:43 PM
Is it just me or does everyones audio go out every time right before speed demon runs?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2011, 01:56:44 PM
Any work on the 715 car, are they done??
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 22, 2011, 01:57:07 PM
90 folks online enjoying the show :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 02:12:31 PM
Quote from: Glen on September 22, 2011, 01:56:44 PM
Any work on the 715 car, are they done??

No.  They think it's a transmission (maybe rear end) and are thrashing to get it swapped.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sheEmoto on September 22, 2011, 02:18:34 PM
Quote from: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 04:14:36 PM

Speaking of which (audience) -- we've had one of the folks in the area here offer a "matching grant" kind of donation.  They'll donate up the $300 if it's matched by the total group of internet viewers of the event.  No big hurry -- the offer is open for a week or so.  But they did ask me to mention it.  I wouldn't have asked for $$ if the offer hadn't been made with the stipulation that I proclaim it to the world.

Hi Slim - sounds kinda like NPR and their "dollar-for-dollar" matching grant!  Ira Glass has nothing on you guys.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Scooter on September 22, 2011, 02:26:20 PM
Quote from: sheEmoto on September 22, 2011, 02:18:34 PM
Quote from: Seldom Seen Slim on September 21, 2011, 04:14:36 PM

Speaking of which (audience) -- we've had one of the folks in the area here offer a "matching grant" kind of donation.  They'll donate up the $300 if it's matched by the total group of internet viewers of the event.  No big hurry -- the offer is open for a week or so.  But they did ask me to mention it.  I wouldn't have asked for $$ if the offer hadn't been made with the stipulation that I proclaim it to the world.

Hi Slim - sounds kinda like NPR and their "dollar-for-dollar" matching grant!  Ira Glass has nothing on you guys.

I'm in ... a small price to pay for the service and the amazing group effort put in to keep us all up to "speed" on speed. Again ... thanks to Ray, SSS et al.
Scooter
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bob Drury on September 22, 2011, 02:28:30 PM
  Wow, if you havn't allready seen it, go to Tom Slick's post #471 and watch the video of a earlier Speed Demon run............... awsome..........  Bob
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: jimmy six on September 22, 2011, 02:29:19 PM
I see it different.....the 299" in a 5 litre class is the BIG engine...A 347" in the 8 litre class is the LITTLE one.

Does something break in every shut down? Seems that way after reading what's here.   May be a procedure......................Just a guess as I have on idea what George does other than Haul the Mail with whatever engine they are using...............Sure is exciting.....................JD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BrentMalone on September 22, 2011, 02:32:54 PM
they can break the records on first run just can't back them up.
that has to be very frustrating to the crew.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 22, 2011, 02:40:16 PM
Sound check?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: thundersalt on September 22, 2011, 02:44:25 PM
yep
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Oldanontheway on September 22, 2011, 02:44:51 PM
Does anyone know how many runs over 400  George has under his belt?

old...
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: mstrdinan on September 22, 2011, 02:45:11 PM
its working
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Hans Blom on September 22, 2011, 02:47:32 PM
good sound here..
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Freud on September 22, 2011, 02:51:21 PM
Quote from: BrentMalone on September 22, 2011, 02:32:54 PM
they can break the records on first run just can't back them up.
that has to be very frustrating to the crew.

Slightly different wording:

They can exceed the record on the first run but they can't back them up.

That has to be very frustrating to the owner.

FREUD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 22, 2011, 02:54:25 PM
This motor is 83% of the big motor and still ran a huge speed.

Seems like if they can get a more robust drive train the big motor has a lot more in it.

Dang! I gotta stop drooling on the keyboard.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2011, 02:56:44 PM
Had to go get some parts for the Vesco liner, guess I didn't miss anything while I was away.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 02:57:37 PM
Ah, man-o-man, I didn't know how nice it is here at the tower.  Max and James and Dave P. sitting around and enjoying peace and quiet while we wait for race vehicles to be readied.  Nancy and I came down here to have Max show me how to hook up the audio broadcast system -- sure glad J. Rice paid attention.  Not that I really want to show off that I'm an ignoramus -- but with duty in the pit and at this here keyboard -- it'll be difficult for me to keep the audio stuff going, too.  How'd I think I was going to be able to do this all by myself?

We aer about ready to head back to the pit.  I'll get you a SD update then.  That'll be at least ten - fifteen minutes from now, though.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2011, 02:58:40 PM
Ray  /Slim any update on what they broke?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BudJ63 on September 22, 2011, 03:02:09 PM
Tell me if I am wrong someone, but does the SD break something in the driveline, Driveshaft, trans, rear end, each time he "drives" over the ravine area on the return runs.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 22, 2011, 03:03:53 PM
The ravine may be a contributing factor, but they have had driveline breakage for a long time.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
This time I think they started on this side of it, still a little rough on the highway end of the track. At SW it was rough as a road in.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 03:11:25 PM
Updates on a coupla teams.

Richard Assen:  Earlier they ran a tire test.  It was an LSR car tire run on a bike.  The growth factor was not completely understood and it rubbed the tread down to the cord.  The team wanted to be sure that I explained that it was NOT a faulty tire.  They ran about 240 and the tire grew about 1" in diameter which was stated in that tire's specs.  They'll run again with another tire and proper clearance for whichever compound they use.

Poteet and main.  The problem lies behind the inner fender in the 3rd photo.  They broke the Weismann rear end and are swapping in the repaired Fergusen quick change that they broke with the big motor.

I'm gonna get some lunch.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
Slim,any Idea what tire pressure they had in it.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: jl222 on September 22, 2011, 03:46:51 PM


  Is the course conditions jackhammering the driveline?

  How about some pics of course?

             JL222
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2011, 03:56:38 PM
JL222 look at the video listed on a earlier post you can see the car bounce going across the ditch
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 03:58:00 PM
It's lunch time here...not much i9s going on...except....that the P&M team is gonna try something different:

The end of the chassis is sorta empty...

...cuz they haven't installed the Fergusen quick-change yet.  The way I shot the photo indicates that there are no gears in it.  That's cuz they haven't installed 'em for...

...the 4-banger Mopar midget motor that was last used in 2009.   I understand that they're out of V8 drivetrain parts and plan to run over 400 with the 4 cylinder motor.  As I recall, the naturally aspirated version  of this motor was used to take back the record from the BAR-Honda team who made a big deal out of going 400 Kph.  It could be very interesting to see it go over 400 Mph.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bob Drury on September 22, 2011, 04:10:03 PM
  I assume they run a Liberty air shifted trans.  I wonder if they could lower the shift pressure?
  Perhaps that would soften the gear change if in fact unloading (however slight) is the problem with the ring and pinion.
  I wouldn't think it would be a torque problem.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Anvil* on September 22, 2011, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: jl222 on September 22, 2011, 03:46:51 PM


  Is the course conditions jackhammering the driveline?

  How about some pics of course?

             JL222

About midway down on page 21 of this thread shows the trouble spot. Listen in the crew had worked that area and everyone seemed much happier with the result.

I think there's a bit more going on with the Speed Demon's driveline. Likely something not apparent.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 22, 2011, 04:20:29 PM
Isn't this the third year in a row that they've broken the rear end?

Mike
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 04:23:17 PM
Glen, I assume you're asking about tire pressure in the Assen Eagle tire.  70 psi per Richard.  It grew - and they're out of those tires, so they'll mount up a "regular" bike tire and do some testing.  They've got a camera mounted in there now -- will hope the lens stays clean enough to get some visual confirmation on growth.  Ain't it great -- got the record in the hat so let's do some testing that will be of value to everyone?   Jason says he's not happy with the idea of trying to push the non-Eagle tire higher to bump the record, but hey, Richard didn't say that, did he?

We're likely to be down for a few hours now.  The next bike ready to run is Al Lamb at about 5PM - that's two hours form now.  Leslie might be able to get her bike ready.    Nothing new on Nancy's Flamingo bike.  

George Poteet just provided lunch for us all down here at the LSE (Cook Land Speed Events) trailer.  Catering by Carmen from the Black and White.  If you're a Bonneville veteran you'll know those names.  

Fire and ambulance are on the way to town 'til that 5PM time slot. Until then -- sorry to say it, folks, but back to work.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
A couple of points about this ' n ' that.

This year the rear end of the Speed Demon isn't the problem -- it's the yoke and drive shaft.  That's not to say that the differential hasn't given them headaches -- but in the past two years they've blown up the rear - not yet this time around (well, unless they hurt it while tristing the yoke, splines, driveshaft, and that stuff).

The "ravine" isn't much of a problem now - as mentioned in another post a little while ago.  While it ain't great nor as hard a surface as the track on either side of it -- it isn't a big BUMP! like it was during the first day of this event.  It might have helped hurt the car if George were hard on it when he crossed over -- but it also isn't necessarily the problem now.

As for trying to soften the shifts -- I know that last year the team was reprogramming the MoTeC to take out some timing or something to soften the hit during shifts.  I assume that bit of technology is still in there.

Enough for now -- gotta go find Nancy, who's probably sunning herself in the fine Wendover weather.  No, I will NOT take and post photos (well, at least, not if she's sunning au naturel :-D :-D).
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: fredvance on September 22, 2011, 04:52:26 PM
Darn, your are no fun at all. :evil: :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: 1212FBGS on September 22, 2011, 05:12:08 PM
slim.... the timing you refered to is the "shift Kill" not ignition timing.... this is the "time" the motor is killed allowing the trans to be unloaded for a "shift"........ is the driveshaft and yoke purple from heat? or are the bearings crushed from power and or shock loads?
kr
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 05:23:08 PM
Thaks for the primer, kent.  Yeah, I sorta knew that -- the shift kill thing, shutting off the motor for a handful of milliseconds to do the shifting.  I've just been talking with Ian, the IT guy on the SD team.  He does have some software in there to soften the power during shifts, not just kill the motor.  The idea is to have less than full power delivered when the engine comes back on after a shift.

But -- this time the issue was sorta, if George will forgive me (which is another story), George's fault.  During the push to get the return run started -- he was blipping the throttle to keep the engine all cleaned and happy for when he put it into geat and started under his own power.  I guess he was some milliseconds early when clicking it into gear - the engine was still spun up a bit too far - and when he hit the "go into first gear" button -- there was too much power, so when the trans. engaged -- well, here's what it looks like:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0486.jpg)

Another view of the carnage (a/k/a spline):

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0485.jpg)

So - now we go to "What's Next for the Speed Demon?".  Well, it's this way:  They're out of driveshafts and splines, etc, for either V8, so they'll put the 4 cylinder engine in and run it in the morning.  The 299 comes out:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0487.jpg)

The 182 (Shown here) goes in next:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0488.jpg)

The ultimate goal, even if they don't get any records at this event -- is to have three motors that have gone over 400 mph.  Two down (poor choice of words - sorry, but I have to use existing phrases), one to go.  Records would be nice, too, right?

In other, more technical news, here's James Rice, Max (of internet audio on landracing.com fame), and me trying to get Max's four-wheel ride onto his Explorer so he could leave.  He's going home for a few days -- hopes to be back for WF.  James Rice and I hope to be able to do the voodoo stuff and keep the audio going for the remainder of this event.  Let's go the photos, Jon:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0482.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0483.jpg)

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Top%20Speed%20Shootout%202011/IMG_0484.jpg)

Photo credits to Nancy, who was wearing her sunning togs while shooting the pictures.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 22, 2011, 06:16:38 PM
it's to quiet
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: SPARKY on September 22, 2011, 06:26:17 PM
Speed Demon' TONS of rear axle weight and a airshift Liberty have been areas of concern acording to a conversation a fly overheard under a fellow liners canopy at SW would be my guess  :roll:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 06:31:33 PM
Glen, it's quiet because - as of a few minutes ago it has been decreed that we're done for the day.  Leslie and Al won't be ready to run today, Richard Assen is fitting the new tail section to his bike and hopes to be ready for 8AM tomorrow, and Speed Demon is busy installing the little engine.  No late word on the gremlins in Nancy's bike's wiring harness -- well, Scott did mention that he's found the words "Prince of Darkness - mfd. by Lucas Ltd" in it, so maybe that tells us why he's having so much trouble with the thing.

So anyway -- the plug has been pulled for today and we're done with the racing.  I'll go shut down the system and close the trailer and get ready to head for the shower and shave that ends each of the glorious days on the salt.  The weather sure has been nice, though.

By the other way -- during this down time today I've been looking through the list of members and deleting some.  I've nuked a few of the ones that registered and never have posted and/or haven't been on line here for like years -- 800- 1700 DAYS!  I'm cleaning up the list of deaders so that when a otential advertiser, for instance, asks about members and how many we've got - - I can give a more correct number.  And whether that's important or not -- it's just the kind of AR (anal retentive) guy I am.  I mention this only because if you hear from someone that his account got disconnected for no apparent reason -- whoops, I didn't mean to get rid of an active - or even potentially active - member of the Forum and the website.

Good night, folks.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bob Drury on September 22, 2011, 06:46:59 PM
  One of my alltime great memories is listening to Al Teague make those painfully slow shift's at 300 or so mph.  What a great sound it was!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: DSR88 on September 22, 2011, 06:48:34 PM
Last time I checked "Nobody" I don' care if it is 100-200-300-400 and soon to be 500mph going FAST IS NOT EASY!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bob Drury on September 22, 2011, 06:51:06 PM
  Donny, neither is stopping from 400+............ :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: mtkawboy on September 22, 2011, 07:26:52 PM
Id like to see the tab for Speed Demons week when its over. Going over 400 with 3 motors would fall under "priceless" no matter how you define it.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 22, 2011, 07:39:11 PM
I think "priceless" pretty well covers it.  :)

Here are the shots from the last "rounds" I made of the pits:

Leslie Porterfield and her bike....she said the ECU was toast.  I dunno if it had that same prince of darkness label that SSS was talking about...but it's still toast...according to Leslie.

Al Lamb's bike.  I really don't know the status here...but it seems to be in the midst of some sort of work.  We'll see in the morning.

The tail on Richard Assen's bike may get some attention from a hacksaw...at least that's what he and drew seemed to be talking about.  Again, we'll see what happens in the morning.

And I DO know what's going on in the last photo.  The 4-banger of the "priceless" variety is gonna have a turbocharger on it....this comes from Kenny Duttweiler (right side of photo)...I think even he would have a hard time getting a normally aspirated 3-liter 4 to run 400 mph.

So that's it for the night. 

As an aside, we'll have a Target 550 update tomorrow that is a real knockout.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: mc1984ss on September 22, 2011, 10:18:30 PM
in reply #511 that shows the driveshaft is that epoxy on the retaining rings in the yoke? I used to build and repair driveshafts for a few years and had never seen this before. I am assuming it is a precaution for snap ring retension. You definitely can not be to carefull or take anything for granted on a car this fast. Great job everyone good luck and be safe!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: racer on September 22, 2011, 10:28:43 PM
Just arrived L A after 3 days on the salt.

WOW!
What an amazing place that's packed with the finest people on earth.
 
Thanks,
Ray c wheeler
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 22, 2011, 11:01:26 PM
I think it was a Loctite sample.  Seriously -- when they were reassembling the driveshaft one of the Loctite guys was at the bench with a tube off the sample table.  There wasn't anything on the rings then -- yet I saw it there today when I was taking the pictures.  You tell me -- common practice or experiment or "what the hey, let's give it a try since we've got the sample tube right here"?  Maybe it's a lead into a new practice, hey?

By the thankful way, quite a few of you were kind enough to send in some donations today.  The matching donation/offer was for a total of $300 -- they'll give up to $300, that is, if that much arrives here in bits and pieces from others.  So far there's $185.  It's wonderful, thank you very much, 'cause this way I can make sure that Ray and Max get more properly compensated for the work they've put into helping everyone get as much as we can offer from the Top Speed Shootout.  Thanks.  I'll let you know when we hit the goal.  Of course, you don't have to stop then. . . :roll:

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 23, 2011, 12:38:26 AM
I'm in the parking lot at Little America, WY, reading 3 pages to catch up.  Being stationed at the tower was a real trip.  Either it's dead quiet or completely busy.  People show up and stay for the runs, photogs and videographers, then escape when the course is unlocked.  James Rice and David Petrali are very good company, very meticulous in their duties, very kind to the audio rube from the Midwest.  And what a place to be when the big numbers occur in the measured mile or kilo.  If God made anyplace better, He kept it for himself.

On the way to I-80, got my big meal at the Salt Flats Cafe and one final t-shirt off the rack in the store.  Not sure how I'll do it, but can't wait to get back for another race, hopefully WF.  I'll post some snap shots when able (I don't have the talent to do photos, just snap shots).   Met some great folks and am really amazed to see the 'liners big speeds in front of the tower at Shootout. 

Just as amazing is to hear from Landracing folks from Sweden and Oz checking in here while we're live.  Thanks, people.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 23, 2011, 12:50:37 AM
Quote from: Moxnix on September 23, 2011, 12:38:26 AM
I'm in the parking lot at Little America, WY, reading 3 pages to catch up.  Being stationed at the tower was a real trip.  Either it's dead quiet or completely busy.  People show up and stay for the runs, photogs and videographers, then escape when the course is unlocked.  James Rice and David Petrali are very good company, very meticulous in their duties, very kind to the audio rube from the Midwest.  And what a place to be when the big numbers occur in the measured mile or kilo.  If God made anyplace better, He kept it for himself.

On the way to I-80, got my big meal at the Salt Flats Cafe and one final t-shirt off the rack in the store.  Not sure how I'll do it, but can't wait to get back for another race, hopefully WF.  I'll post some snap shots when able (I don't have the talent to do photos, just snap shots).   Met some great folks and am really amazed to see the 'liners big speeds in front of the tower at Shootout. 

Just as amazing is to hear from Landracing folks from Sweden and Oz checking in here while we're live.  Thanks, people.

If you are popping up to I90 and the Black Hills, I got food and or a beer for you on your home trip!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 23, 2011, 02:34:46 AM
Thanks, Tman, I'm going to Littleton, then the boring route across Kansas to see how the corn harvest os going for a few hundred miles before paying the $2.50 toll to leave.  Next time perhaps.

I'm busy thinking about how to do an electromotive streamliner for big numbers.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: mc1984ss on September 23, 2011, 06:58:43 AM
I remember reading on here last year that the Speed Demon crew was going to make some changes to the back end of the car. If I remember correctly it was stated that "they were going to cut off he back of the car and start over" I assumed they meant something along the lines off the rear end or suspension etc. I do see that they have two totally different rearends and that the one is for the four cylinder but I was wondering if they did any major changes with the back end of the car ? Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Rex Schimmer on September 23, 2011, 08:05:48 AM
I would like to complement the designers of the Speed Demon car, to be able to switch between several motors in such a short time means that a lot of thinking went into the car design to make it possible to do the engine changes in such a timely manner.

The next thing is the crew, they are what I call "Racing Dogs"!!! Which is a real complement. They do what ever it takes to make it happen. George and Ron get all of the press the crew gets the satisfaction of knowing "their" car is the fastest engine driven car in the world!!!

GREAT JOB!!!!


Rex
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: TINY on September 23, 2011, 08:56:45 AM
Mr. Rex so glad to see someone givig credit to the hard workers because them & owners did a super job.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BudJ63 on September 23, 2011, 10:08:04 AM
Broadcast is loud and clear!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: theazoldcrow on September 23, 2011, 10:09:04 AM
 :cheers: Yup!  5 x 5 here in arizona also!  Thanks Slim!  And Jamie......
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2011, 10:12:09 AM
Whats up with Poteet & Main, will they run this AM?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 10:17:27 AM
Here's my first report for the day.

First of all, Al Lamb and Richard Assen are at the "bike start line" (the 1 1/2) and will run, in that order, once the wind dies down even more.  Assen has the new big tailpiece on the 519 bike and want minimal crosswinds before he gives it a run.  Lamb goes first.

Post -- but Lamb is running.

Lamb is off the line, accelerating -- but shooting a few ducks -- can hear it from three miles away.  Popping and farting a bit (engine -- don't know about his dietary condition, but he did eat with the crowd at Carmen's last night).

Timed mile:  entry  246.9   kilo  248.3   mile 247.9 and on the rev limiter.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: nrhs sales on September 23, 2011, 10:29:58 AM
Would that be Littleton, CO?  If so you are welcome to stop in and check out our shop as we are just up the road on I-25.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sabat on September 23, 2011, 10:49:32 AM
Raising the bar, congrats Al Lamb!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 10:51:32 AM
The Speed Demon engine #3 is in the car and just started for the first time (in this event, at least).  Sounds okay -- but like it's running on four cylinders. :evil: :evil:

Seriously, they've got the motor in and the car is up on the wheels used to get it into the transporter.  No firm guess, but they offered that they might be ready to leave the pit within 20 minutes.  As always, caveat emptor but be forewarned.

Assen still waiting for the wind to go away, Lamb is on the 2-hour clock, and the Ninjete 250 Turbo of Nancy's is officially scratched for this event.  Topo much Lucas, not enough copper.  WF, here we come!

Want me to go to the SD pit with the 2-way radio and key the mic so you can hear the engine?  Good idea -- will do so.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 10:57:53 AM
Well, didja hear it?  It's loud enough that I can't tell if the two-way is busy when I key it - so maybe I stepped on Cook or someone, maybe you heard it.  A couple of the fellows in the pit, including Kenny D., are tuning and testing and getting it ready to run.

Lamb is refueling the bike prep. for a return run, Assen still waiting for the wind to abate.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2011, 11:08:34 AM
audio is gone again
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 11:13:53 AM
Lamb is on the course now, on course at the eight mile.

Kn the timing strap  entry 243.1   kilo  242.5  mile 242.8  

Looks like a 245 average today, vs. his yesterday 241.819 record.  Those are kilo numbers.

Assen will now try a run, they say.

Audio is being run from the tower by James Rice.  He's busy with his real job, but I'll let him know if the audio is still out.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 11:18:54 AM
Assen's bike is being warmed up for his run -- wind is down to zero.

Speed Demon is being loaded onto the trailer.  

Course is clear - send Assen.  Bike 519 is moving.  Heading to Floating Island from the pits.  Trying out the new tailpiece -- a Charlie Toy appearing thing, but longer.  We can hear Richard going through the gears two miles away, and the engine -- the same old one he'd been running all year - sounds fine.

Big tail wag at the three and a half, off the throttle at the four.  Going through the five, back at speed, entry 200.5   kilo 207,  mile  204, exit 197.  So much for that tail, hey?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2011, 11:27:27 AM
Audio is back
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: firemanjim on September 23, 2011, 11:29:31 AM
Was the tail cut to fim spec or left long and run for time only
At least he was able to get back into it a little, maybe wind at the 3.5?
ok for a shakedown
Greg
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: WOODY@DDLLC on September 23, 2011, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: Rex Schimmer on September 23, 2011, 08:05:48 AM
I would like to complement the designers of the Speed Demon car, to be able to switch between several motors in such a short time means that a lot of thinking went into the car design to make it possible to do the engine changes in such a timely manner.

The next thing is the crew, they are what I call "Racing Dogs"!!! Which is a real complement. They do what ever it takes to make it happen. George and Ron get all of the press the crew gets the satisfaction of knowing "their" car is the fastest engine driven car in the world!!!

GREAT JOB!!!!


Rex

Rex do you know what percent nitro is in their energy drinks? Or are those guys just battery bunnies on steroids? :-o :-o :-o
Here's hoping they get two back-to-back today! :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 11:32:18 AM
Jim, I don't know about the particulars of the tail -- whether they were running only for testing or maybe a record.  I do know that they had put a couple of cameras on the bike, with one showing front suspension activity and the other inside the swingarm to watch tire growth.  They've switched from the Eagle, that grew more than an inch and a half and shaved itself to the cords on the inside of the 'arm, back to a regular race tire.  They want data on the growth.

Speed Demon is moving down the course to the far end.  It'll likely be a half-hour or so 'til they're ready to run.


Tower has calculated Al Lamb's record averages (pending certification, as you well know):

Kilo average 245.447,  mile average 245.361.  That's that for now.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2011, 11:44:54 AM
The tail on Assen's bike was trimmed last nite...and (according to one source) cut again this morning to comply with FIM or AMA regs...I don't know which.  Photos attached, both stationary and as he passed thru the entry of the timed mile.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2011, 12:02:16 PM
While Speed Demon prepares to run, here are a coupla shots of Al Lamb as he made a run from the Floating Island end to the pit end.


Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 12:03:08 PM
George Poteet is in his firesuit with the car at the Floating Island end of the course - and ready to get in the 715 car.  Expect maybe 5 - 10 minutes for a run down toward us at the freeway end of the course.

Getting ready to lockdown the course.  All is secure.

Danny Burrows, in the support truck, is reporting that "Flight 715" is ready to make a 400 mph flight.  Champagne will be servecd by the stewardesses.

Engine is running, on the push truck, moving out.

Here comes George !!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 12:08:46 PM
Speed Demon is on the course with the 182 ci 4-cylinder engine in the car.  Engine off, shut down the run, so much for the champagne, slowing at the ten mile.

Car continuing to move, slowly, to the support truck, at about the 9 mile.  No word yet on why he shut off.  No big problems reported - no smoke.  More as I get it.

Poteet and main will put the car on the trailer -- sounds like they'll bring it back here to the pit.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JohnLevie on September 23, 2011, 12:15:02 PM
From the observers stand it sounded like a hard pull followed by a rev limiter test.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 23, 2011, 12:19:34 PM
Dont think I've seen it mentioned any where, what's the buy in to run this meet?
  Sid.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 12:25:15 PM
I don't know the official price tag, but I've heard the $10k number bandied about.  Let's see -- fire and ambulance cost $450/hour while they're on the clock out here - and, mmm, if they've been here 8 hours/day for five days -- unh, you add it up and you'll see why it costs so much to run at a tiny meet.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 23, 2011, 12:27:05 PM
5k was mentioned earlier, maybe it was in this same thread?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2011, 12:28:16 PM
Any word on P & M ???
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dr. Spin on September 23, 2011, 12:33:33 PM
The entry fee would be the least expensive part of this meet for P&M :-(
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 23, 2011, 12:34:00 PM
20 yrs ago it cost 10K just to get FIA on site, I was thinking 10K per would be a min #.
  Sid.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2011, 12:41:17 PM
Quote from: Glen on September 23, 2011, 12:28:16 PM
Any word on P & M ???

A coupla P&M team members were discussing a drivetrain failure.  Sounds like a familiar tune.  The question was, "Do we have any more driveshafts?"  The answer was, "We only had one [for the 4-cylinder.]"
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2011, 01:05:45 PM
I think some re-engineering is required.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2011, 01:06:56 PM
I think P&M have caught about the only lucky break (bad choice of words, maybe) of the week.  Nothing (apparently) is broken.  As Kenny Duttweiler explained it to me, the plate that holds the shift actuators in place shifted (another one) slightly and when George attempted to go from 2nd to 3rd, the transmission went out of 2nd, but due to the movement of the actuator plate, couldn't engage 3rd.  It ended up in neutral, instead.

They're preparing to run again.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 23, 2011, 01:12:52 PM
I heard last year the cost of the meet was $40,000.
The cost to the competitors was how many showed up to split the costs.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2011, 01:23:13 PM
I would think Mike Cook could answer if interested in running. Best to contact him.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: 4-barrel Mike on September 23, 2011, 01:30:45 PM
reply #38, Mike Jr indirectly discusses costs and gives the appropriate telephone number.

Mike
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 23, 2011, 01:31:42 PM
Glen, I think most of us are just gee whiz at this whole thing and want to know numbers just to satisfy curiosity.

Run at the Shootout? Man we all dream of it. Knowing some of the information just helps us with our impossible dream list.

Bucket list? They don't make buckets that big, do they?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 01:34:40 PM
Back to Speed Demon.  The latest, delivered by John Levie, is that the shifting problem isn't solved - but there's a workaround.  If it won't shift to third -- George will follow the 1 - 2 - 4 - 5 shift pattern for the next run.   The car is not on the transporter yet but will soon be there.

Whoops, never mind, Ron Main just reported that they're done, packing it up and packing it in.  We're down to one racer -- Al Lamb.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2011, 01:37:50 PM
What a shame they gave it all they had. Give them credit for trying every trick and part they had in the box.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 23, 2011, 01:40:20 PM
Give em a pat on the back from us for all the great entertainment and diversions from work that they gave us Jon! :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Hans Blom on September 23, 2011, 01:44:06 PM
For sure, this has been the best reality show EVER!  :cheers:

Hans
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Rocky R on September 23, 2011, 01:46:30 PM
Hi everyone.
Returned from home physician yesterday after spending most the evening Monday in Salt Lake ER. Doing pretty good but sore as hell. CT scan of spine showed no fractures though things did get moved around a bit. Major muscle strain and spasms. Got home and my shoulder was sore so went and had it looked at. Shoulder is broken in several places including clavicle and shoulder itself is broken and pulled away in places. It appears the shoulder harness broke everything, but I'm thankful because the bulk of the force hitting upside down was lessened by the harness. Had it failed I would have broke my neck for sure. Had some of the crew over last night and talked about it. Was only going around 100 or so (Buzzy in support truck was doing 80 and said I was pulling away. All we were trying to do was spin the tire to see if it would override the new traction control. Motor was laying down most the way and then all the power seemed to come on all at once, lighting the rear tire which shot to the left. I tried to correct and got it to lift but it swung the other way and caught and went into the air highsiding. It hit really hard upside down then tumbled violently. The good part is I can still talk about it. Thank you to everyone who've called or emailed me and my family. This tsuff happens and we all accept it. Hope it doesn't hinder my golf game. lol!

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/P1010421.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/P1010416.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/IMG_2364-1.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/IMG_2311.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BHR301 on September 23, 2011, 01:48:20 PM
Just wondering..has anyone spent more time at 400 or more than George?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Avanti Kid on September 23, 2011, 01:49:32 PM
 :cheers: Congratulations to the "Speed Demon" racing team & crew, what a fantastic speed you did at this meet, you really raised the bar on top speed for Land Speed racing, Dave
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2011, 01:52:33 PM
Rocky, so glad you are OK. A lot will be learned from this and maybe shoulder restraints as well. The safety is learned from information such as this. You take care.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 23, 2011, 01:54:54 PM
Thanks for the update Rocky. Glad you're going to be ok and can come back and race again another day. These things happen. Trust me, been there, done that!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 23, 2011, 01:55:25 PM
Thanks for the update Rocky, glad you are safe.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: thundersalt on September 23, 2011, 01:57:37 PM
Hey Rocky, golf should be good pt on that shoulder. Just curious, were you using a hans or strap type restaint?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2011, 02:00:31 PM
Mike Cook, Jr. Jon, Ray, The Rices and the FIA/FIM Reps. and all that made this meet happen a great event thank you. To all of the racers that gave it their all and it shows that it ain't easy or everyone would do it. The dedication to put on the event and to the racers that support it goes beyond a thank you Congrats to all of you.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Rocky R on September 23, 2011, 02:01:17 PM
No HANS device. Shoulder straps held me pretty well. We have padding around the helmet that keeps my head from moving around much. Buzzy and Jim True strap me in so tight my voice goes up a couple of octaves before they're satisfied so I wasn't going anywhere...
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tom Slick on September 23, 2011, 02:02:25 PM
Congratulation to Poteet & Main and the entire Speed Demon crew. The speeds that you ran this week are simply remarkable. Go home this winter and make some tougher parts and come back better then ever next year. Thanks for all of the entertainment that you provided this season.

Another big thanks to landracing.com and everyone involved for the incredible reporting LIVE from the salt. The LIVE audio is the best thing since sliced bread. Keep up the great work to all of you.

And thanks to Mike Cook and crew for putting on this great event. Every year since the Land Speed Shootout began a few years back, we have been treated to some absolutely incredible performances. With out you guys none of it would be possible. Thanks again!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: SPARKY on September 23, 2011, 02:03:29 PM
Thanks for sharing Rocky,  best wishes on the shoulder mending straight!
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: 836dstr on September 23, 2011, 02:08:49 PM
Jon & Ray,

Thanks for the great reporting and photos!

Also, the audio was awsome!

Tom
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2011, 02:14:52 PM
Jon,

The event is not over correct. By the way everyone is posting it sounds like everyone's leaving their seats.

On another note did the $300 get matched, or where does that stand?

Thanks,

Tom G.


PS. Rocky glad you are OK, thanks for the report.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 23, 2011, 02:22:57 PM
Cook announced the meet was over
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2011, 02:44:53 PM
Glen,

Thanks for that information, I was not listening to the live feed. For me it is more fun reading everyone's reply.

I would still like to know if the $300 was matched.

Tom G.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 23, 2011, 02:58:26 PM
Out here on the road past Sydney, NB.  What a fantastic event.  So glad to see Rocky updating us and doing well.  Next year I'll try a new computer that may solve the "dropping the audio" problem.  Now that Slim has it mastered, no telling what to expect.  James has so much going on during the runs, it's not likely he can accommodate the audio first.  Two days ago he was about to jump in a fire truck and head for the mountain end until a Wendover FD vehicle swung through and dropped of a driver.  Lotta hats out there at the tower.

Cook and his crew are truly amazing in their organization skills and work ethic.  Plus wasting time scolding the tourists when the screw up.  Thanks Mike and all for letting me be there.    Oh, and my boss the Slim who is Seldom Seen and his lovely wife Nancy.  I'm spoiled.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: sheEmoto on September 23, 2011, 03:44:22 PM
Thanks for sending the update, Rocky, and of course Andy and I are delighted to hear you're in good shape.  Golf is over-rated anyway ;)  The ball is the one that looks like it's having the most fun in that sport anyway :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: RayTheRat on September 23, 2011, 04:47:59 PM
Rocky, I'm very glad to hear from you.  Sorry to hear about the broken bones, but glad it wasn't worse.

I'm home already.  It was an uneventful drive, helped out by a little Starbuck's vanilla from the truck stop.  Gonna unload the Burb a bit, then rest before I start on anything else.

Before I sign off, I wanna congratulate all the competitors who busted their butts (and parts) in the quest for records.  My hat's off to all of you.  Mike, Mike and the rest of LSE, ya did another fantastic job.  And thanks to all the others who made this a great meet.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 23, 2011, 05:06:09 PM
Thank you Jon, Ray, James, Moxnix, Mike Cook+JR, Linda and all the volunteers, Wendover Fire and Rescue, all the racers and everyone else I missed! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great show, take a bow, you all deserve it!!!!! Rocky, glad to hear you will live to fight another day! Heal well. Team SD all I can say is WOW! Richard, congrats :cheers: Andy and Erin, I was there for your first double up way back when and you both are a treasure to LSR!
If you can, please send a small donation to this site so we can all do this again next year!
Wishing you all, good weather, good salt and good friends!
Bob
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: jimmy six on September 23, 2011, 05:39:18 PM
Just think race fans..........In one week and 3 days we get to do it again......This time I'll be there and living it..........Hope to see you all in Warnerville........................JD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: ack on September 23, 2011, 06:18:32 PM
Quote from: kiwi belly tank on September 23, 2011, 12:19:34 PM
Dont think I've seen it mentioned any where, what's the buy in to run this meet?
  Sid.

This year Top 1 Oil again picked up the costs for the sanctions and costs for the officials to attend. The cost for the bikes to run for AMA and FIM records is 5K which Mike Cook charges for course prep, timing, insurance, fire, ambulance and the many other costs involved to run the event.  Not sure what additional costs the car guys paid which would include the car sanction fees. The more cars that attend the event the less the cost per entry. If you are interested in running a car I would contact Mike Cook.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 06:24:49 PM
Thanks, folks, for all of your support and interest.  And thanks for the donations.  As I told you a day or two ago, one race team offered up to $300 to the site as a match to another $300 raised as individual donations.  In other words, a "matching grant" like you might have seen on public broadcasting - or other - fund raising events.  

Youse guys have responded admirably, with us being somewhere north of $200 already.  I don't have a nice little bar graph of such to show you the status - the matching thingie took me by surprise.  But we've had donations of $15 and up.  If one of you will dig back through this 40-page-+ series of posts - and find the last time I talked about it -- I'll give you an exact report on where we are for right now - - if you want to know.  I don't ask that you quit once we get to that $300 mark, of course :roll:

I appreciate their offer and all of your responses 'cause I don't have to be the one asking for the $$.  It does take a few dollars, for sure, to keep things going here, and every time you use the Paypal button or mail a check or hand Nancy or me a greenback when you see one of us -- every time that happens it helps us provide more stuff to keep you up to date on what's going on in the world of land speed racing.

I'd go on - but have to get back out to the truck and trailer to try to get a few layers of mud and salt off them before too much more time transpires.  Thanks for the support.  We'll try to give it back to you - in spades and in coverage.  Oh - thanks again to Ray for the photos and to Max/Moxnix for the audio work.  I don't do this all by myself, you know.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BVCBR on September 23, 2011, 06:25:49 PM
Quote from: ack on September 23, 2011, 06:18:32 PM
Quote from: kiwi belly tank on September 23, 2011, 12:19:34 PM
Dont think I've seen it mentioned any where, what's the buy in to run this meet?
  Sid.

The cost for the bikes to run for AMA and FIM records is 5K which Mike Cook charges for course prep, timing, insurance, fire, ambulance and the many other costs involved to run the event. 

The 5K is per bike entered? If you break a record are there additional cost to get that record certified for FIM or is it included in the entry fee?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: joea on September 23, 2011, 06:30:24 PM
certification fees are extra...
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 06:43:52 PM
Holey, moley -- I mention the fund raising effort -- and just minutes later a handful - no, fistful -- nah, hey, let's call it a bushelbasket full of dollars has arrived. :-o :-o  Thanks to those that sent money -- those just now, those in the past few days, those that have been supporting the site right along.  For what it's worth -- yes, the donors are often people that fit into all three of those descriptions.

Thank you.  To be honest -- the $300 "challenge" has now been met by a fine margin.  Thanks to those that got this started, to those that sent $$ in response, and thanks most of all to all of the land speed racing community that has embraced landracing.com as THE place to go to learn about the avocation.

Now, really - I've gotta get that salt off the truck and trailer!  I'll be back later on. . .
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: BVCBR on September 23, 2011, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: joea on September 23, 2011, 06:30:24 PM
certification fees are extra...

Do you have any idea of the approximate cost of the certification?
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: ack on September 23, 2011, 07:34:52 PM
Quote from: BVCBR on September 23, 2011, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: joea on September 23, 2011, 06:30:24 PM
certification fees are extra...

Do you have any idea of the approximate cost of the certification?

$400.00 for FIM
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: John Noonan on September 23, 2011, 07:35:07 PM
I believe it's 200 for the mile and 200 for the kilo when we did ours..
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: desotoman on September 23, 2011, 07:38:32 PM
Quote from: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 06:43:52 PM

Thank you.  To be honest -- the $300 "challenge" has now been met by a fine margin.  Thanks to those that got this started, to those that sent $$ in response, and thanks most of all to all of the land speed racing community that has embraced landracing.com as THE place to go to learn about the avocation.


Jon,

Thanks for the report. If you were still shy of the $300 I would have sent my yearly donation in early, so you could get more money. Glad it worked out.

Tom G.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: The wonderful One on September 23, 2011, 08:11:35 PM
Tell you what. This is just the most interesting page. The reporting is first class. If someone will send me an address I will mach the $300. The Wonderful One     errorlessmedical@earthlink.net 
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: jl222 on September 23, 2011, 08:38:05 PM
Quote from: The wonderful One on September 23, 2011, 08:11:35 PM
Tell you what. This is just the most interesting page. The reporting is first class. If someone will send me an address I will mach the $300. The Wonderful One     errorlessmedical@earthlink.net 



    :cheers: :cheers:

         JL222
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: JonAmo on September 23, 2011, 08:39:22 PM
Interesting Stats.

2008 Shootout - 83832 views
2009 Shootout - 82104 views
2010 Shootout - 42062 views
2011 Shootout - 12472 views

For the life of me, I can't find 2007 in the archives. I am thinking there wasn't a posting for this event as in 1997 the reporting was done on main page versus using the forum as the medium for reporting. Just a different way of conveying the information from 2007 to 2008 forward.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 23, 2011, 09:29:48 PM
Click on the pic to bring up the video. Check the pressure waves around the canopy.
  Sid.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/23/this-is-what-a-426-mph-flying-mile-looks-like-in-hd/
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: kiwi belly tank on September 23, 2011, 09:58:12 PM
So who is Top 1 Oil? They need to get some recognition for their contribution to LSR.
  Sid.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 10:11:51 PM
Sid, I'm not the guy that knows lots of stuff about Top 1 Oil, but they do, indeed, do lots and lots to support land speed racing.  Maybe Mike Akatiff has a good way of telling us about them -- or can hook us up with a link to one of their sites or people.  But they sure as heck do help us with the hobby/avocation/affliction.

On a different note, please be advised that Cook Motorsports has re-ordered 2011 Shootout t-shirts.  There were some available at the pits at the Shootout, starting last Sunday -- and by Tuesday or so they were gone.  So -- today Mike Jr. told me that they'll be ordering some more shirts, in sizes from medium through 2 XL.  The shirts will be available for sale by visiting the store at www.stonewoodscook.com and going to the store ("SWC Store") in the left side column.  Here's the front art:  (http://76.170.220.117/cook/swc/store/storeimages/frontshootout.jpg)   and here's the back (personal input here -- Nancy's in the middle on the "flamingo bike" that never did run, but what the heck, Nancy's on the shirt!):  (http://76.170.220.117/cook/swc/store/storeimages/backshootout.jpg)

The shirts just got ordered today -- might be a little while 'til they can ship.  Order now and maybe they'll get more to cover the quantities requested.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 23, 2011, 10:18:17 PM
Quote from: The wonderful One on September 23, 2011, 08:11:35 PM
Tell you what. This is just the most interesting page. The reporting is first class. If someone will send me an address I will mach the $300. The Wonderful One     errorlessmedical@earthlink.net 
Way to step Wonderfull One  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 23, 2011, 10:20:16 PM
Step up that is  :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 23, 2011, 10:24:29 PM
Just a question.... with a enough donations might we possibly get live streaming video???????
I know.. give them an inch they will take a mile :-D
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dakin Engineering on September 23, 2011, 10:41:13 PM
Tip 'o the hat to SSS, Moxnix and Ray for the coverage.
(I can tear down the bike next week.)

Looking for the Ray's Pretzel Shop online...

Good show!

Sam
#6062
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 23, 2011, 10:51:46 PM
Well, now that you mention it -- video isn't out of the question - technically speaking.  We've talked about it and can provide it without too much in the way of new technology.  But --

What would you want to see?  To have a camera on a tripod or pole, just sitting there and showing the start line at SpeedWeek (or WoS or WF of EM or Maxton -- that'd be relatively easy to do.  Not too costly, either.

But to have a camera moving around getting shots of vehicles in the pits requires having a person running the camera, moving around from car to bike to 'liner and on and on.  And then it gets more difficult, 'cause you'd probably expect to see some details on which race vehicle you're seeing (or don't you care whose SBC or Hayabusa or pit you're seeing?  Numbers aren't always easy to see) -- so maybe it'd take a bit of text scrolling on the bottom of the screen or something to show that you're presently seeing #827 or whatever.  That text has to be entered - either by the camera operator, in real time, or in some kind of editing process before the video can be used.  

I hope I'm wrong when I predict all of this hassle.  I fear that too many of us are used to seeing fully produced stuff on the screen - produced by a couple of cameras and a sound person and editors and so on.  There's no way that I can provide that without a handful of people.  Or maybe I'm wrong -- is there a way to get a crew out to race events and get them to make the video that you want?

I'll ask you all to give me some input -- what would you settle for if we can do video?  I'm going to keep the discussion going - will hit the sack soon (it's been a long two weeks out here on the salt and we leave Wendover tomorrow to start the trip home and then back for WF) - but before bedtime I'll start a new thread about video and audio on landracing.com.  Go there and get the discussion going.  Tell me what's acceptable to you - what you want, what you'll settle for, and what you think it'll be worth.  I don't think all of it can be done for what can be raised by this low-bucks site -- prove me wrong and we'll do it!

In the meantime -- we're already talking about a little Go-Pro on a tall stick at the start line for next year.  I'd like to do it for WF in less than a week and a half -- but don't expect it.  Next year?  We'll give it a good try.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 24, 2011, 12:06:33 AM
Hey wonderful one, your a good man and friend, thanks for the help.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Elmo Rodge on September 24, 2011, 12:18:59 AM
I just got home 45 minutes ago. I stayed for the end of the movie.  :cheers: I am used up and going to bed. Let's just say it was an adult portion. Wayno
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: TINY on September 24, 2011, 12:34:14 AM
I think this shootout was great.Mike Cook has worked hard to help people with lots invested to be able to get more runs in one day than a whole week at some meets.And remember Mike goes out and lays out course helps his guys prepare is on the end of drill motor setting up markers besides all the work and time it takes to organise all this.He gets FIA and FIM along with USAC to to verify every run made.HE Arages for saftey and I think he needs to be concrdulated for all this.Way to Cook And whole crew :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Bobby c on September 24, 2011, 12:47:42 AM
Quote from: TINY on September 24, 2011, 12:34:14 AM
I think this shootout was great.Mike Cook has worked hard to help people with lots invested to be able to get more runs in one day than a whole week at some meets.And remember Mike goes out and lays out course helps his guys prepare is on the end of drill motor setting up markers besides all the work and time it takes to organise all this.He gets FIA and FIM along with USAC to to verify every run made.HE Arages for saftey and I think he needs to be concrdulated for all this.Way to Cook And whole crew :cheers:

x2
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 24, 2011, 02:16:52 AM
Well, I have way too many opinions and not enough experience with this, yet.  Broadcasting the audio at Speedweek, World of Speed and World Finals has the benefit of the live radio broadcasts in conjunction with the organizers' programs, with a feed available from a regular radio.  Having watched video crews from Richard Lecky, ESPN and one other the name of which I can't remember right now, they have multiple camera people and directors, producers, etc.  At the end of the day they hole up in their motorhomes and thrash through the day's take for an hour or two before leaving the salt.  So, involking the KISS Principle . . . . first I'll say that I like the audio and the thread running on the forum, complete with photos uploaded when available.  That's a package that serves those who can run the audio on their computer and those limited to just checking in on the thread.

On the other hand, a single camera video feed overlooking the starting line can pinch the organizer's radio trailer audio, like at WoS, without too much trouble.  The weak link always seems to be the computer used to run the webcast.  Some laptops just don't like running 12-13 hours a day, or maybe I just bring Slim my second rate rebuilt units and they are slightly less reliable than more spendy fresh computers.  

We spoke of the split screen options, but watching the pros cover both ends of the course, the measured mile, the pits, the tower, etc., it takes people.  I kind of like being in one place or on the move in the vehicle while audio runs, but, then again, that means one cannot wander through the pits and chat with friends all day or all week.  Every camera for a split screen would need a volunteer connected to it with a short leash all day.  

When I get back to St. Loo, I'll look at camera options and audio feeds.  Lecky's crew had a rented lense that costs $120K to buy, and while it had dandy telescopic utility for the long shots, it's a lot of responsibility, let alone $$ to rent.  

A single camera from the start line would be easiest at Speedweek, WoS & WF.  At Shootout, vehicles start from a variety of places, in the pits, at the 0, at the 1/2, or the 1 1/2, or the mountain end, depending on driver or rider's decision, a decision that is made and/or changed rather quickly.  The pro crews have people located all over just to grab short shots and be in on all the action all the time.  

The netbook that gave us so much grief dropping the audio last year got an upgrade this season, and ran 13 hours straight one day this year, but wasn't without glitches over the course of two weeks.  I'd brought a laptop with bigger drive and memory, but it was the least reliable of the two.  Doing audio on the laptop gives us an audio mixer to use on the server's site.  The netbook doesn't have enough beans to have that available.  Oh, oh, I'm droning on with boring crap.  

G'night.

Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Tman on September 24, 2011, 10:40:01 AM
Yes, the video takes at least a couple people and like Moxnix said, scramble,edit,post at the end of the day. An easy way for the community to help is a common Youtube page where any of us at an event can post up video. This has been done in a similar manner for the HAMB Drags.

Personally, I like the behind the scenes interviews and coverage. Real easy to put a camer to a face when doing an interview for the radio broadcast to fill in the down time between runs.

Lots of ways to attack this, just throwing out some ideas, brainstorming is good.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 24, 2011, 10:50:22 AM
Tman and the rest of youse guys -- do us the favor of brainstorming this video and audio coverage ovewr on the new topic, okay?  I don't object to it being here - other than I want the max. numnber of minds to see the discussion and join it, and keeping it in one location will help concentrate that effort - and our heads.  I know, I know -- it was Max that got this stuff goikng this morning here -- but he's shell-shocked from last week.

Thanks.  We'll see you over there.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Texican on September 24, 2011, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: Rocky R on September 23, 2011, 01:46:30 PM
Hi everyone. evening Monday in Salt Lake ER. Doing pretty good but sore as hell. CT scan of spine showed no fractures though things did get moved around a bit. Major muscle strain and spasms. Got home and my shoulder was sore so went and had it looked at. Shoulder is broken in several places including clavicle and shoulder itself is broken and pulled away in places.   This stuff happens and we all accept it. Hope it doesn't hinder my golf game. lol!

(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/P1010421.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/P1010416.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/IMG_2364-1.jpg)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l24/Rockjok6/IMG_2311.jpg)

Rocky, your ARE the REAL man!
I experienced a separated shoulder about three years back, and the pain level topped anything I could remember in my then 73 years.
That includes every young man's encounter with the cross bar on a bicycle;  hemorrhoids;  broken leg; rotator cuff rebuilds;  (3);  and all the rest that goes along.
Good luck,

GET WELL! soon.   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Jim
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 24, 2011, 01:48:05 PM
Recap of the week. There were several runs that were not mentioned in the dialog that were in the timing slips. Much better with the timing slips. Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday are from the timing slips, Thursday and Friday from the dialog. I'm sure there are errors, it's a lot of information to reformat.

MondayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
28:31Andy & Erin173.960173.447173.355172.454
5198:38Richard Assen246.108242.637242.605239.096
51910:13Richard Assen254.752253.216253.570253.556AMA record
210:20Andy & Erin178.229178.663178.670179.138
112210:36Charles NearburgSpirit of Rett376.632386.466395.179386.169
71510:56George PoteetSpeed Demon77.310Chute out at two mile, smoke reported. No problems found.
51911:36Richard Assen243.873243.284243.821245.549FIM record?
211:42Erin & Andy155.409154.800154.280151.507
51913:03Richard Assen257.403229.414234.157229.017lost traction in mile
213:08Erin & Andy172.487172.093172.135171.921
71513:22George PoteetSpeed DemonPulled chute at 10 mile. Run aborted. Air bottle not turned on.
71514:11George PoteetSpeed Demon439.775442.830442.854446.057
214:30Erin & Andy176.636177.081177.020177.208
51914:35Richard Assen246.565245.685246.013246.540
7152:04George PoteetSpeed DemonCoasting at the two mile. Electrical problems.
Rocky RobinsonAck AttackSpun tires at 100 mph. Went sideways and rolled. Rocky has broken shoulder.
TuesdayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
28:33Erin & Andy184.740184.966185.396185.004
5198:38Richard Assen259.320254.184251.481254.621
9688:51Jamie Williams207.684209.110209.538208.919
19769:02Leslie Porterfield170.774174.948184.234175.812bike doesn't sound good per the tower
29:45Andy & Erin182.723182.762182.761182.794
5199:51Richard Assen246.037249.278249.113251.712
99810:43Mike NishRoyal Purple129.285103.76799.79273.708Shut off at about 8 mile               
112212:10Charles NearburgSpirit of Rett368.754370.292370.366372.236
112212:53Charles NearburgSpirit of Rett349.456362.896362.432374.780366.590 kilo  366.374 mile.   These exceed the 1% required for a new record, so pending certification that'll be a new record.
213:16Andy & Erin182.889182.370182.358181.794
96813:47Jamie Williams219.623219.012218.909217.867
1976Leslie Porterfieldno start
214:09Andy & Erin178.766180.780180.503181.355
197914:19Al Lamb203.867210.463209.813213.884
71514:36George PoteetSpeed Demon452.944458.189457.964462.345
715George PoteetSpeed DemonTurn Out at one mile. Drive shaft, cracked case on transmission                   
96815:35Jamie Williams211.013215.032214.951218.762pending FIM certification, is 216.912 on a 216.588 record.  Kilo record speed is 217.004 (pending).
WednesdayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
1976Leslie PorterfieldTurn out
9689:45Jamie Williams222.540223.632223.567224.392
19799:48Al Lamb240.727240.514239.548240.371
5199:53Richard Assen264.732263.552263.583262.544
51910:32Richard Assen257.708259.258259.153258.943New pending FIM record for Richard Assen and his team: Kilo   261.387   Mile 261.243
96810:36Jamie Williams151.408Shut down at timed mile. Puff of smoke reported
968Jamie Williamsshort test run 1.5 to 4               
1976Leslie Porterfieldshort test run 1.5 to 4               
715George PoteetSpeed DemonTurn Out dropped oil at 10 mile. smoke coming from the car. threw a rod and ventilated the block
1979Al LambNo Start                               
1976Leslie Porterfieldshort test run from 1.5 to 4 stoped at 3
ThursdayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
19797:22Al Lamb241.000243.000242.900
9687:26Jamie Williamsbike is down, bike is on fire, rider is okay.
5197:54Richard Assen242.000241.900241.000
19798:20Al Lambbike is stopped at the 3 1/2
19798:49Al Lamb241.000240.549240.919record averages:  kilo  241.819,  mile 241.918.  Pending certification
71510:04George PoteetSpeed Demon436.000441.200441.000445.500stopped about the 1 1/2 mile. broke the Weismann rear end. 299 cid
71510:42George PoteetSpeed Demon
FridayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
19797:17Al Lamb246.900248.300247.900
19798:13Al Lamb243.100242.500242.800record averages (pending certification), Kilo average 245.447,  mile average 245.361
5198:18Richard Assen200.500207.000204.000197.000Big tail wag at the three and a half
7159:08George PoteetTurn out - 4 cyl,shift actuator plate failure

Speed Demon Recap
I may have missed something, but these are the 400+ runs for Speed Demon.

Speedweek 2011
Vehicle Engine Body Entry Name Quarter Mile1 Mile2 Mile3 Exit Speed Comment
715C      BFS     Poteet & Main "Speed Demon" 313.949333.033376.028408.460421.009HOT STUFF RUN !!!!!!!!
715C      BFS     Poteet & Main "Speed Demon" 322.222343.459388.314416.539426.91
715C      BFS     Poteet & Main "Speed Demon" 311.347334.614381.801408.732411.836
Speedweek 2011 Record
Vehicle Entry Name Engine  Body  Old Record Speed Driver Name
715Poteet & Main "Speed Demon" C      BFS     366.043390.709George Poteet
Shootout 2010
MondayEntryKiloMileExitNotes
7158:59Speed Demon403.488413.537413.256422.546
7153:35Speed Demon419.611417.73415.649405.196
Speedweek 2010
Vehicle Engine Body Entry Name Quarter Mile1 Mile2 Mile3 Exit Speed Comment
1715Poteet & Main Speed DemonD/BFS275.904326.338345.070384.063407.426416.097
1715Poteet & Main Speed DemonD/BFS266.744317.570337.242377.463405.931417.596
1715Poteet & Main Speed DemonD/BFS266.296320.942340.870382.869409.847418.486
Speedweek 2010 Record
1715Poteet & Main Speed DemonD       BFS     Poteet & Main Speed Demon George Poteet 404.562
Shoutout 2009
434.252436.067435.685435.868
Speedweek 2009
1715Poteet & Main Speed DemonD/BFS299.744319.739366.627394.346401.285

In the past we would have waited 3 months for Hot Rod to post three pictures and two paragraphs.
The step up to real time dialog was a quantum leap forward.
The addition of the audio feed almost sucks us through the screen to feel like we are standing on the salt listening to the action.

But we are standing on the salt with our eyes closed. Sure, a video feed with interviews would be awesome. But we would take ANYTHING.
A fixed camera at the five mile would be great. A heads up on dialog and audio that someone has left the starting line would allow us to check the video.
If there is down time you could hijack the feed to a second camera in the pits.

Post Shootout editing would give you a stunning record that you could sell and make a few bucks.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: mtkawboy on September 24, 2011, 01:54:34 PM
You guys are doing a great job, Id take anything I could get & be happy with it. Im including Rays pictures in there too.   :cheers:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: PorkPie on September 25, 2011, 12:19:58 PM
Hi Folks,

just to let you know that I'm back home.

See you at WF.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: hotrod on September 25, 2011, 12:21:58 PM
I got home yesterday afternoon and have finally caught up on sleep, I still need to unpack the car.
Just finished recharging camera batteries and about half done saving all the images to the hard drive.

Had a great time!
Mike as usual you run a great meet which is a pleasure to cover.
Can't wait for next year, too bad Leslie and Nancy could not get any runs in, and Ron and George could not backup their fantastic run early in the meet.

Congratulations to those that did get the records that they were shooting for!

Larry
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Rocky R on September 25, 2011, 01:04:54 PM
Anyone have any contact information on Jamie (the guy who's bike caught on fire?) Working on an article on the Shootout and would really like to get in touch with him.

Thank you
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Freud on September 25, 2011, 01:48:45 PM
Pork Pie.......sleep fast.

You will just get regulated time wise and it will be time to fly again.

Butt.......it's all worth it, isn't it?

FREUD
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Glen on September 25, 2011, 01:50:51 PM
Quote from: Rocky R on September 25, 2011, 01:04:54 PM
Anyone have any contact information on Jamie (the guy who's bike caught on fire?) Working on an article on the Shootout and would really like to get in touch with him.

Thank you

Rocky he is from the Stockton Calif. area. You might do a phone search on him.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Stan Back on September 25, 2011, 04:40:37 PM
Rocky --

PM sent.

Stan
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: landsendlynda on September 25, 2011, 04:51:34 PM
Well, Rocky I was going to suggest that you contact Mike Cook, but I'm betting Stan has already sent you the information!!

I'm glad you are doing okay, that was quite a scare you gave us all!!  You take care of yourself and heal up nicely. 

Tell your wife thank you for sharing you with us.  We all have tremendous admiration for what you do and appreciate the sacrifices she has made to allow us to share in the thrills of your successes.

Of course I'm hoping you will return next year for that 400 mile-an-hour run, but nothing will take away the excitement of all your accomplishments and the honor I (we) feel for knowing you and watching you fly down the salt!

Thank you for allowing us to share the excitement.

Lynda
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 25, 2011, 05:57:46 PM
What goes on at the tower doesn't stay at the tower, since the advent of the InterWebs.

Mr. Rice & Trimmers test the Kettlercar, James lifted the front wheels off the ground starting off in 2nd gear:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 25, 2011, 06:07:11 PM
This is the official USAC minivan with a door magnet sign personally tested to +/- 90 mph by Mr. Petrali.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 25, 2011, 06:22:23 PM
Name the movie?

Bones, mechanic for Greg Watters of Oz.  They stayed after WoS to see the  Richard Assen NZ team run.

The usually invisible audio guy at the Salt Cat Cafe with Wayno.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 25, 2011, 07:52:11 PM
Sponsor.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 26, 2011, 11:54:33 PM
How come me and Wayno get 37 hits on our photo and the Loctite film crew director and producer get 74.... oh, never mind.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Moxnix on September 27, 2011, 12:37:23 AM
Does Drew Gatewood certify AMA records at the Shootout?

Speaking of inspectors:
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: wobblywalrus on September 27, 2011, 12:48:53 AM
Slim, Max, Ray and everyone else, thanks for the great coverage.  Following the meet on your posts and seeing the pictures is always a highlight of my year.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dr Goggles on September 27, 2011, 01:16:05 AM
Quote from: Moxnix on September 25, 2011, 06:22:23 PM
The usually invisible audio guy at the Salt Cat Cafe with Wayno.

let me guess, you were waiting for an "owl stuffed with peanut butter and an apple juice"..........

On our last morning there I watched as a big Texan espoused the virtues of the proprietor to his friends, said boss then came over and offered BT a drink to which he eventually relented , "OK, just a very small one" as he made a gesture with his fingers an inch apart, boss then came back with the most enormous milkshake cup(that he had to hold with both hands) I've ever seen........


I loved it there.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: crawford on September 29, 2011, 05:52:25 PM
whats a guy have to do to get one of the Cook shootout t-shirts, kill someone?
Mike Crawford,
Wendover.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Seldom Seen Slim on September 29, 2011, 05:58:15 PM
Naw, that isn't necessary, Mike.  Just get requested to enter the competition and you'll get your shirt.  Oh, wait a minute -- that's right, you drive Corvettes.  I guess you won't likely get invited to something where really high speed is important. :evil:

Seriously -- The Cook group has placed an order for more shirts -- they ran out a few days into the event.  For ordering your shirt (you and everyone else that wants one or more) go to the Stone, Woods, & Cook site:  www.stonewoodscook.com and click around -- the order form for lots of stuff, including the 2011 Shootout shirt, is there.  If it isn't yet -- blame Junior, and be patient -- he says it'll be up any day.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: DiveEZ on September 29, 2011, 06:06:34 PM
To order the shirts goto
www.diveez.net/cook/swc/store/index.html
Middle of the page you will see them.
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: Dean Los Angeles on September 29, 2011, 06:11:36 PM
Small typo in the link.
Correct link:
http://www.diveez.net/cook/swc/store/index.html (http://www.diveez.net/cook/swc/store/index.html)
Title: Re: 2011 Land Speed Shoot Out
Post by: grumm441 on November 04, 2011, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: crawford on September 29, 2011, 05:52:25 PM
whats a guy have to do to get one of the Cook shootout t-shirts, kill someone?
Mike Crawford,
Wendover.


What size T shirt do you wear mike?
G