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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: Bob Drury on November 15, 2011, 01:34:12 AM
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Sometime befor Speedweek 2011, I made a statement on this site that if each of the 500+ entrants contributed one hundred buck's that we would increase the Save the Salt fund's by $50,000. bucks.
I would like to offer this amendment to the 2012 Speedweek entry fee's.
Why not include a box on the entry form to pay a additional one hundred dollars (or more) as part of the entry form, being entirely optional.
I think most of us are low buck racers, but if we don't help support our sport, we will most certainly end up sitting on the end bar stool with one of those "Sam's Bar" jackets on.
It's going to be a long winter, but when you start ordering next year's parts, let's also remember that with no salt, we just own a piece of "salt deplecian art". Bob
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Nobel intentions indeed. However, there is nothing we can do to stop the salt erosion while they allow it to be hauled away by the rail car full by the many business mining the salt. The prospect of a state shutting down those bossiness is about -zero and even less in this economy.
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For those of you that may not be following the actions of the Save the Salt Coalition, the organization has just submitted it's comments and recommendations to the BLM relative to the EA published late summer. It appears Alternative B is going to be implemented which will require Intrepid to replace the salt extracted by their operations on a 1 for 1 basis. While that is a good first step, more needs to be done. Various members of congress have been made aware of the situation and are supportive. Certainly supporting the STS efforts is in our collective best interest and i would urge to let your Senators and Congressmen know what is happening.
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Note if you will, Roger Lessman's post (the one before this) about StS latest submission. I've just posted the Resolution on the home page of the website. For those of you that don't go there often -- here it is, minus my harrangue about how vital it is for all of us to write to our elected governmental representatives (federal and state, too!) about saving the salt for racing - and future generations. I've got a 13-page paper on the specific recommendations - but it's too long to put here, so I'll get it posted somewhere with a "click here to go to the Recommendations list". In the meantime:
Save the Salt Coalition
www.SaveTheSalt.org
October 11, 2011
RESOLUTION
Doug Evans Chairman, Save the Salt Coalition
Whereas, the Bonneville Salt Flats (BSF) is a unique and distinguished geological
phenomenon which, among many other attributes, has provided special qualities for
high-speed car, truck and motorcycle racing since 1914, and continuously since the
1940s; and
Whereas, potash extraction operations have taken place on areas adjacent to the BSF,
both privately owned and publicly leased from the federal government, since the
early 1900s; and
Whereas, the public has benefitted from both racing activities and potash mining; and
Whereas, in recent years, entities representing racing and mining interests have sought to
identify and rectify any environmental issues that cause damage to the BSF; and
Whereas, “Save the Salt Coalition” (Coalition) is the successor to a collective group of
organizations and businesses representing racing interests formed in the 1990s to
work with mine operator Reilly Industries, Inc. to establish a prototype salt
replenishment program, which lasted from 1997-2002 and was deemed a qualified
success; and
Whereas, Intrepid has proposed a permanent salt replenishment program and, toward that
goal, is seeking adoption of mining operation “Alternative B” contained in the
Environmental Assessment issued by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management in
September 2011; Now therefore, be it
Resolved, That the Coalition endorses “Alternative B” and seeks to work collaboratively
with Intrepid to implement said salt replenishment program as outlined in the
Environmental Assessment.
On behalf of
Save the Salt Coalition Members
American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) Bonneville Nationals Inc. (BNI) Blue Ribbon Coalition Bonneville 200 MPH Club BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials Cook’s Land Speed Events East Coast Timing Association Fisher Consulting LandSpeed Productions Lessman Racing, Inc. Motorcycle Industry Council (MIC) Off-Road Business Association (ORBA) Save the Salt Foundation Source Interlink Media Southern California Timing Association (SCTA) Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) Speed Demon Utah Salt Flats Racing Association (USFRA) United States Automobile Club (USAC)
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i keep trying to convince everyone who stays out at the bend in the road for FREE that the least they could do is turn that savings into a donation to STS. don't know how many have actually done it. i once threatened to walk around from camp to camp with a collection jar but i seem to never have the time. $50 from each spot would make a nice donation though.
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Seems like words have huge sway in today's political discourse. I don't know, nor do I care where anyone stands on the issues I'm about to cite as examples, but if we can use linguistic tactics in our correspondences with our public officials to help keep the ball in our court, I'm certain we can be more persuasive in our arguments.
Example 1 - "The Patriot Act" - by calling it "The Patriot Act", it made it virtually impossible for any politician to say no.
Example 2 - "Right to Work Laws" - considered by many to be union-busting legislations, few can argue with the effectiveness of the title, regardless of where anyone stands on the intent of the laws.
I'm certain we can all come up with legislation names we agree or disagree with, but that's not why I'm posting, and I'm sure we don't want to turn this into a laundry list.
Key to the two examples I listed were naming the legislation something that might be tough to explain to constituents if one were to vote against it.
Just as we pass Lynda on our way to race, we drive past a sign which was put up by the Bureau of Land Management. Here's a link to it -
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=bonneville+salt+flats+sign&hl=en&biw=1396&bih=658&tbm=isch&tbnid=HaDOSu3q2_3k_M:&imgrefurl=http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/16833&docid=ivTvjUPbzpbpNM&imgurl=http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/ut/UTWENsaltflats_june.jpg&w=280&h=210&ei=BXjZTp6ZMoS62wWWhf3IDg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=571&vpy=164&dur=5906&hovh=168&hovw=224&tx=128&ty=73&sig=115817010254572895338&page=1&tbnh=141&tbnw=188&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0
It says "Bonneville Salt Flats International Speedway".
Think about that. That's a pretty impressive title, with implications of national pride associated with it.
For many of us, we are just so used to calling it "Bonneville", or "The Salt Flats", that we seldom think about the name that was granted to this place, and to the clear intent of the BLM as to the use of this very unique piece of property.
I read some of the reader responses to the article a few months back in the Wall Street Journal regarding salt depletion, and here's what I came away with.
Many of our fellow citizens look at the "salt flats" as a desert that should be exploited for its resources.
Conversely, if the question were put to these same people, "Should the BLM permit the Bonneville Salt Flats International Speedway to be stripped of its surface to promote the inexpensive acquisition of potash by Intrepid?", I think the response from these same people might be different.
I believe we need to frame the argument in our terms, KEEP IT IN OUR TERMS, and seeing as the BLM has given us an extraordinary handle to use in all of our correspondences, one which can be used to further our cause, I think we should use it, and wear it like a mantra.
Chris Conrad
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"Should the BLM permit the Bonneville Salt Flats International Speedway to be stripped of its surface to promote the inexpensive acquisition of potash by Intrepid?"
Better yet:
Should the BLM allow the destruction by commercial interests of a national treasure and unique historical land mark, the Bonneville Intenational Speedway?
This historic area where international speed records were set for over a century. is to this day still the only place in the world that is suitable for some of these record breaking attempts. It is regularly used as a location for movie and video production. It supports several forms of outdoor recreation, it was the barrier that held up the Donner party on their fateful journey west, and a key wartime training location during WWII.
It is also a priceless wild place that is unique in the world both for its rare beauty, and its easy accessibility via I80. People travel from all over the world to visit this location, and this special geological wonder is at great risk of being destroyed by short sighted commercial exploitation in direct violation of a legal requirement that it be protected for future generations.
Larry
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Hmm. Perhaps an "Occupy the Salt Flats" collection of neo-Bohemian flea-party members can be bussed in to the Bend in the Road for the press to cover.
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i keep trying to convince everyone who stays out at the bend in the road for FREE that the least they could do is turn that savings into a donation to STS. don't know how many have actually done it. i once threatened to walk around from camp to camp with a collection jar but i seem to never have the time. $50 from each spot would make a nice donation though.
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Or hook up the Save The Salt trailer and stop along the spectator line in different places and announce the salt depletion problem over the radio and c-b and to please donate.
A few banners before, at bend in the road and before lands end for a reminder to donate.
JL222
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Hmm. Perhaps an "Occupy the Salt Flats" collection of neo-Bohemian flea-party members can be bussed in to the Bend in the Road for the press to cover.
Max, right there is a key point.
At any time that the press is within earshot, the phrase, "Bonneville Salt Flats International Speedway" is what they must hear. If we take the lead in the name game, even the opposition must use the terminology WE bring to the discussion. Repetition, followed by repetition, and topped off with repetition.
It works with lies - imagine how powerful it could be with the truth?
And all we have to do is point to the sign at Land's End.
It's called "staying on message", and if we control the vocabulary of the discussion, we control the discussion.
If we don't establish our talking points and make them integral to the public and political discourse, then the talking points of those who would extract every last nickel out of the salt with no regard to the collateral damage imposed on us will prevail. Their talking points include phrases like "economic development" - hot-button buzzwords like "job killing BLM decisions" - or in the condescending words of one reader's comments in the Wall Street Journal article, a reference to Larry Volk as "some old hot-rodder" - these are the words that will prevail in the discussion if we don't challenge them.
The US government has established the Bonneville Salt Flats as a Speedway. We can point to the sign to prove it. By using the full title at every possible opportunity, it establishes and reinforces the core function of the property. By doing that, we take both the moral and legal high ground in the argument.
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i keep trying to convince everyone who stays out at the bend in the road for FREE that the least they could do is turn that savings into a donation to STS. don't know how many have actually done it. i once threatened to walk around from camp to camp with a collection jar but i seem to never have the time. $50 from each spot would make a nice donation though.
Nathan, I will do that with you next summer, you know I am not bashfull at all!~
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Chris & Larry,
From my position as a layman those are excellent points. May I suggest that you send them as suggestions to Stuart Gosswein at SEMA. I am sure he will accept these ideas as solid input from concerned racers.
Stuart Gosswein
Sr. Director, Federal Government Affairs
Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA)
1317 F Street, NW, Suite 500
Washington , DC 20004
202/783-6007, ext. 30
202/783-6024 – fax
stuartg@sema.org
Good input,
DW
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I sent Stuart an email per your suggestion.
Larry
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Done deal - Thanks for the email addy, Dan.
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Nature took millions of years to pile that stuff up there.The racing activities bring a lot of commerce to the area , and take nothing, that's right nothing, away. So, by anyone's estimate that could go on indefinitely.( read valuable amenity)
The salt extraction is there because it is the highest yield way of collecting it, by anyone's estimate that is happening at a greater rate than its deposition. So, anyone can see that can't go on indefinitely. ( read lazy, short sighted)
The amount they (Wendover) will make out of ( lets say) Speedweek 2031 will likely be more than they could make selling all of the potash in Lake Bonneville this year........hmmmmm, economics.That sounds odd?....there is a finite amount there, they can mine it at today or tomorrows prices but one day it will be gone, Speedweek is an infinite resource, it's real dollar value increasing year by year.
There are lots of places where the groundwater is unsuitable for drinking or irrigation due to the minerals it contains, those minerals can be valuable, maybe even a valuable by-product, do I hear de-salination, solar power?.....hmmmmmmm, sustainability.
Chris is right about language. It also needs to be said that the modern world is obsessed with liability( read covering their arse)...that means no-one wants to be saddled with responsibility....the current way of deflecting is to "put things in place", that means building "long term productivity" .It's easy to see that racing beats shovelling salt into railway trucks hands down.
So, there we have all the world's and Wendover's problems solved in a few short sentences.
Next?
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Wow!
Another great repy from a concerned racer.
Doc,
Please forward these thoughts to Stuart. I believe that any input from current users can be benefical to the cause.
DW
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i keep trying to convince everyone who stays out at the bend in the road for FREE that the least they could do is turn that savings into a donation to STS. don't know how many have actually done it. i once threatened to walk around from camp to camp with a collection jar but i seem to never have the time. $50 from each spot would make a nice donation though.
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Or hook up the Save The Salt trailer and stop along the spectator line in different places and announce the salt depletion problem over the radio and c-b and to please donate.
A few banners before, at bend in the road and before lands end for a reminder to donate.
JL222
good idea. if we can't get people to the trailer to donate then we can bring the trailer to them.
Nathan, I will do that with you next summer, you know I am not bashfull at all!~
oh yeah, i know!
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I enjoy hearing everyones ideas on saving the salt, makes for interesting reading. Also one thing that is over looked is that the Salt Flats are 100 square miles, not just the section you race on.
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Thanks, Mike. To the others -- believe it or not, I've heard that some of the folks in Wendover went to school, grew up, and moved away -- without ever going out to the salt flats. Mike: maybe you could help us by putting together a trip out there for a school class or such.
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Got my latest Street Rodder Magazine today. The Editorial page contains a copy of a letter sent as a response by Utah Senator Orrin Hatch to a letter expressing our concerns. It is short, but reading between the lines makes for some interesting conclusions. I would hope that we become a visible prescence-- next year in particular, hmmm? :-D
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Hey House, for those of us that dont get the mag, what was the gist of the article?
Sid.
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Here's a link to the article. http://blogs.streetrodderweb.com/6732751/driving-em/national-landmark-needs-salt-replenishment-program/index.html
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Every time I`ve go back to the salt I bring back what salt I can gather up off the vehicle,trailer,bike ect.
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Doug--It`s a different one than the link you have. It`s in Brian Brennan`s Start Up Column. The letter itself, from Senator Hatch, basically states that the BLM can`t corralate Salt Loss to Mining ( ahem...) and that the Salt Laydown project, currently dormant, will be restarting soon ( Huh?...) .....Sid...Just go up to the Safeway in Pocatello and read the thing on the Rack. Knowing you, you`ll thumb through it, then put it back... :evil:...Will be calling this weekend to catch up.... :cheers:
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Senator Hatch's letter was little more than a courtesy acknowledgement of the receipt of the constituent's letter.
I'll say it again - we've got to take control of the language on this one, or they'll suck the salt right out from underneath us.
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FYI, I received this Save the Salt message for the 2012 rulebook this morning. The message was written by SEMA's Stuart Gosswein this year. This was the last piece missing from the rulebook which will go to the printer Wed. morning:
A MESSAGE FROM SAVE THE SALT
The salt flats were stable throughout the 2011 racing season. The salt crust was generally smooth and hard but continues to be thin throughout, with a diminished salt bed at both ends of the tracks.
The Save the Salt Foundation has joined forces with a diverse group of racing enthusiast organizations known as the “Save the Salt Coalition” to work with Intrepid Potash - Wendover, LLC on a salt replenishment program.
Toward that goal, Intrepid has proposed “Alternative B” for inclusion within the BLM’s “Environmental Assessment” of the current mining operation. Alternative B would essentially restart the 1997-2002 program, make it mandatory and verifiable, and require a minimum one-for-one replacement of salt that has been removed for potash mining. The Coalition has recommended that the BLM adopt Alternative B when it issues a final EA in 2012.
Intrepid plans to start pumping in February. The Save the Salt Foundation and Coalition members thank Intrepid for continuing its pumping program, making it measurable and verifiable, and assisting the racing community with voluntary supplemental initiatives to replenish the salt.
The Save the Salt Foundation has established a fundraising program for the supplemental replenishment programs, with 100% percent of the contributions to be used for restoring the salt flats. For more information, visit www.savethesalt.org
The Save the Salt Board would like to thank every one of you for your generous donations and continued support.
HAVE A SAFE AND FAST 2012 RACING SEASON!
Chairman - Larry Volk Advisory Board
Vice Chairman - Mike Waters Bonner Denton - Technical
Secretary - Donny Cummins Rick Vesco - History
Treasure - Russ Eyres Doug Macmillian -Technical
BNI Rep - Roy Creel Miriam Mcmillian - Media Liaison
USFRA Rep Gary Wilkerson Russ Deane - Counsel
Special Events - Mike Cook
BUB Rep - Dennis Manning
For information on Save the Salt,
Please contact Larry Volk, Chairman 801-292-5425
For the most up-to-date information on Save the Salt, please visit the SCTA/BNI website at www.scta-bni.org under NEWS.
To make a donation, please send your check or money order to:
SAVE the SALT TREASURER
Russ Eyres
3673 Millikin St., San Diego, CA 92122
858-453-3044 hm, 858-228-6256 cell
reyres@san.rr.com
DW
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House, thats a hundred mile drive for that one mate!
I figured Hatch would have just been doing some political gum-flapping on this one.
Looks like the BLM have their head up their a$$, the Utah State Gov has never had any interest in Wendover & would really prefer it just went away.
Do we have the ability to break out the big guns? "National TV".
Those responsible for the extream salt depletion need to be embarrassed into stepping up to solve the problem instead of sweeping it under the rug. Those responsible for it & those responsible for allowing it.
Sid-Pi$$ed.
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The article is good news, we have to do our part now and police the salt at our meets so that we don't end up becoming the bad guys. The conditions of the pits, last year after the BUB meet was deploreable. It took me 45 minutes to clean up the cigarette buts, and garbage left behind, before setting up my Pitt for WOS. At the finals I noticed every smoker before or leaving the johns throw there buts on the salt. I know that last sentence set me up for ridicule, no I don't normally stare at the blue rooms. Sitting in the tech trailer waiting for the rain to stop, had a birds eye view of the area. I did see a pop up at speed week that had Earth First on it, the media from these groups could be very detrimental unless we take the initiative to keep our playground white. :x
Steve
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Just realized that the STS web site finally started offering to donate via paypal - which makes it a lot easier to be spontaneous and give by hitting a few buttons on your computer keyboard, instead of having to write and mail a check - I'm now officially a "friend" of the salt . . .
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Alternate B has the potential to be a prototype for environmental protection. Imagine, the government (BLM), industry (Intrepid), and sportsmen (all the racing organizations) working together to preserve and utilize a natural, and national, resource. I would hope that Intrepid could return more than they remove to start a comeback of the Salt.
Will
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Thanks for the discussion about the name -- Bonneville Salt Flats (BSF) -- and encouraging people to use "Bonneville Intentional Speedway" or some variation. I think the BSF name falls into three categories: legal, general public use, symbolic.
For legal, the government recognizes “Bonneville Salt Flats” as referring to the geographic area north of I-80 which supports racing activities. Numerous studies, reports, memos and other documents simply reference “Bonneville Salt Flats.” For its listing on the National Register of Historic Places, the area is designated at the “Bonneville Salt Flats Race Track.” It is then defined as 36,650 acres of the Bonneville Salt Flats. Hence, it captures both terms.
I would suspect the general public associates "Bonneville Salt Flats" with the racing activity, given the decades of simplified reference to BSF. As a symbolic measure, I think it is fine to reference the Bonneville Salt Flats Race Track and encourage others to do so, but I think most of the attention should just be placed on restoration of the area.
As a side note, the first time I read the National Register listing for the “Bonneville Salt Flats Race Track” I was afraid the designation was limited to the race track(s). I was subsequently pleased to learn it encompassed nearly 37,000 acres.
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You can't do any better than this last post.
Thank you Stuart - I am sure that everyone on this board will be available to assist in any way possible.
Dan Warner
President
Bonneville 200 MPH Club
www.savethesalt.org
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Stuart sent you an email the other day - please see your private message.
Larry
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i want to chime in here again. it appears highly likely the BLM is going to approve Alternative B via the EA. that is going to be really good news for for Bonneville in general. it will implement, for the very first time a mandatory 1 for 1 replacement of the salt extracted during the mining process. it quite well will be a game changer for the preservation of the flats. the implementation of Alternative B will not be the ultimate solution but a significant first step. those of you that may have taken time to read the response to the EA by the STS Coalition know that there are strong words that suggest the BLM needs to do more that just stabilize the current situation, there needs to be some remedial action as well. the STS has put the BLM on notice that it is derelict in not doing it's duty to preserve the flats and suggests further action is required. interestingly, there seems to be interest in preserving the flats at the highest levels of Congress.
there are a lot of folks to thank for this effort, i won't attempt to mention names at the risk of leaving someone out, but look at the names of prominent individuals (yours truly excluded) that are a part of the STS and make a point of thanking them the next time you bump into them on the salt. it seems that the recent leadership assumed by SEMA has provided the spark to get things moving. i have been attending events at Bonneville since the late 60's, and the recent movement towards preserving the salt flats is very significant and provides some optimism that we will be able to see a continued use by us racers for years to come. there will certainly be yearly perturbations due to weather, etc. but clearly there is about to be a turn for the good. Dang, it just might be that we will be entering a new era in 2012.
Roger L
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I dont want to seem overly pessimistic here but that all sounds like a "definite maybe". I'll believe it when I see it & I hope its soon.
I also dont believe I've heard anybody mention the lack of "quality salt" that was pumped back in during the so called test period in the 90's. The quantity increased but the quality diminished. The brilliant white went away to be replaced by that yellowish stuff that crumbled like a bowl of wet sugar & thats still what is there today, just a whole lot less of it. Its like the glue is just not in it any more.
Sid.
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Well it is time to make an announcement here (I will start a separate thread in a minute).
I have put together a new web page dealing with the salt conditions at Bonneville.
This is the first public announcement for it. The page is brand new, so it is a beta release and I may change things as I hear feed back on the site.
I just finished coding them yesterday. Please see the other thread at:
http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,10651.0.html
The web page is:
bonnevillesaltwatch.org
Larry
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Is this a small part of the problem? They don't understand. :? :? :?
Doug :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHUNK-SALT-BONNEVILLE-SALT-FLATS-GREAT-DISPLAY-SPECIMEN-/330656652930?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cfcac1e82
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Did the BLM grant them a commercial mining permit?
Yeah, we routinely bring more home packed under our wheel wells and in our foot wells, but certainly not with the intent to profit from it.
You're right, Doug - they don't understand.
The sad part is that they were there, and they still don't get it.
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To heck with it - these SOB's pissed me off, so I'm going to be the penile device.
Reported it to E-Bay, as follows -
Detailed Reason
The item in this listing is an artifact, fossil, or relic taken from federal or state public land or Native American land or battlefield.
Let 'em scream . . .
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Is it worth reporting to one of the government agencies as well? May as well nip this one in the bud.
Pete
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E-bay's a lot more efficient than the Feds, and probably has sharper lawyers.
Let's see what happens.
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He is not alone on ebay. This guy is a racer and already sold one to some one. Tony
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1oz-SALT-out-2011-SPEEDWEEK-BONNEVILLE-SALT-FLATS-BELLY-TANK-Utah-SCTA-/190613474741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6172cdb5
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http://www.fastsalt.com/
Tom G.
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i sent a pm to the people selling the salt on ebay told them to please put it back its thin already, i really did! every one should pm them and do the same, wish they would have put a buy it now. :roll:
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funny the people pm me back and said the salt was taken from the edge of the race tack after racing was done for the year????? :roll:
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Did they tell you the edge of the salt is wherever they dig deep and wide trench's so they can mine it easier.
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I sent them a message & told them it was like taking the last slice of bread from their dying grandmother. :evil:
Sid.
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Or, the last beer from the beer box when you are at the 6 mile and your driver has set the record.
Don't ask me how I know. Just mark me as thirsty.
DW
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It's normal that when someone takes something from any sort of protected area they leave themselves open for prosecution. I would think that when they blatantly advertise that they're doing it for profit maybe they're leaving themselves open whether anything actually happens or not. :evil:
Pete
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I decided that this thread would be the place for these attached videos. I got them from Ron Main today. They came from a crew filming a cell phone commercial on the salt. Looks pretty good, doesn't it? Both videos are less than 30 seconds long - so look fast!
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Bonneville%202012/th_IMG_1533.jpg) (http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/Bonneville%202012/?action=view¤t=IMG_1533.mp4)
This one shows a horse (used in the commercial) cantering from one person to another - right through the camera's field of view. I sure don't see any signs of the horse finding wet and mushy salt. Do you?
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/th_IMG_1243.jpg) (http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii147/SeldomSeenSlim/?action=view¤t=IMG_1243.mp4)
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This month's Car Kulture Deluxe has a plug for Save The Salt, and nice write-ups on two Bonneville machines: BMR's Sally Speed & Old Bones 1953 Ford truck. :cheers:
Where to buy or subscribe: http://www.ckdeluxe.com/grab-the-mag/
Got mine at Barnes & Noble
See the cover here: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/car-kulture-deluxe-magazine/id507982950?mt=8
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Thanks for the video.
In video #2 that's one horsepower... it was about a 12 second run, wonder what the distance was...could be a record! :)
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I thought that when we left in Oct that the salt was under water. Why buy it when you can spend a lot of effort, run on it and then bring it home?
DW