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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => Bonneville General Chat => Topic started by: Bob Drury on November 17, 2016, 12:32:45 PM
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Well, I have come out of My bomb shelter and am amazed that the post apocalyptic World seems to be carrying on.
I am however waiting with baited breath to see who President-elect Trump names as Secretary of Interior and therefor Boss of the BLM. Amongst the pre-election favorites was a fellow named Forrest Lucas who owns a non-descript company called Lucas Oil and is a member of SEMA. Rumor has it that He has lobbied for the Job (as in $$$).
Might He be our Savior?
O.R.B., out...............................................................
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Wow, That couldnt be half bad, Nobody is more into racing than Forrest Lucas !
Of course we will forever know it from then on as,"THE LUCAS OIL BONNEVILLE SPEEDWEEKS"
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Oh, Bob, forgivve me -- but I can't help it. This one's a favorite of mine.
ORB said: "...waiting with baited breath ..." Unh, well, no. Spelled that way would sorta mean that the guy's been chewing on minnows and worms, ya know what I mean?
BATED breath, on the other hand, means like "with your breath held".
Ah, don't worry too much about it. I hadn't worn the Comma Cop hat in a coupla days and wanted to catch up.
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I heard Sara Palin might be the Sec. of Int.?
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Have ya been to Bob's Slim... I think he spelled it right... and apparently you took the bait :roll:
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Yes, both of us have been to Bob's house. It didn't smell fishy when we were there. . . :roll:
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Do you think Lucas would be against drilling and mining?
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Nope, He is the money behind Save The Harvest, the right wing anti-environmental major sponsor of His T.V. Network, MAV T.V. That's why My breath is "baited"... or maybe its the Anchovy sandwich I had for lunch (or was that cat food?).
I would say the odd's are 30/50 not in our favor. We don't generate enough money or exposure to warrant His giving a sh*t and if He get's the job He is going to be eating Crow with his STH group if He backs Us. On the other hand He is part of SEMA so "lets give him a chance" (now where have I heard that lately)? O.R.B., out....................................
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Y'all do realize that Lucas Oil sponsors the Shootout right? Last time I looked that was a salt race with a bit of dirt at the ends... everyone involved would like it to be all hard salt.
Yes, both of us have been to Bob's house. It didn't smell fishy when we were there. . . :roll:
Guess his girl friend hadn't been there that day... :evil: :evil:
:cheers:
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Bob;
"He is going to be eating Crow..." Or maybe Arapahoe? :-D
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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Neil, I hate it when I have to look up words... a Ho is a Ho is a Ho where I come from.............O.R.B. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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As the old joke goes, Bob:
"Are you Navajo?
"No, we slanky ho"
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who will be in charge. At the end of the day, this is what will decide the fate of Bonneville -
http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/potash/5-year/
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At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who will be in charge. At the end of the day, this is what will decide the fate of Bonneville -
http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/potash/5-year/
I wonder: "At what price per ton does the mining operation become unprofitable?"
Just askin' . . . . . .
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Mea Culpa:
I woke up this morning and realized My fading memory has lost a few more amps. Forrest Lucas' group is called PROTECT THE HARVEST, not SAVE THE HARVEST.
It must have been those da*n anchovies................ O.R.B., out................................
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Ive Often wondered , If your going to mine , Even, 1%, Why not start at the very base of the Mountain ?
Far ,Far Away , From Where we race ?
Is the one and only answer, Because it would take work ?
DW
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Ive Often wondered , If your going to mine , Even, 1%, Why not start at the very base of the Mountain ?
Far ,Far Away , From Where we race ?
Is the one and only answer, Because it would take work ?
DW
Uhhhmmm, for the same reason that the "low hanging fruit" is harvested first . . . . . . . LESS WORK, MORE PROFIT.
None of this mattered, until the "limitless resource" became "depleted".
Even the vastness of the oceans are no longer considered "limitless".
:cry:
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Yea, I knew,,, Damn Cheap Ass Workers. I wonder if there were ever guys into Bonneville working there ?
And saying, Hey , You sure we should be doing this , Every Month of Every year Of Every Decade that they did mining ?
I just cant get how people take and take and take , As if it wouldnt matter..
All in the name of the mighty buck .
Come on Americans, Show Some Pride !
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Lucas is one of the sponsors on the team Vesco streamlines and supports Save the Salt.
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Are these limitless resources the same ones as the passenger pigeon, redwoods, and buffalo to name a few.
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All of you complaining about the mine seem to be a bunch of selfish hypocrites IMO. I am sure that environmentalists would say that racing on the salt is also bad for it so they should just shut down the mine AND ban all racing on the salt to preserve it. You can't have it both ways. If the mine gets shut down there is a good possibilty racing would be shut down as well.
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I for one was not complaining, I was just saying, Dont be lazy and go mine salt right up against the mountains, Where no one will ever race
I dont think that is Wrong, Selfish , Or mean , , Just the best for both worlds ?
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There is no large quantity of salt next to the mountains to be mined. The salt flats is salt residue from an ancient salt lake. They call it "Mining", but basically they are just pumping off mostly surface salt that has been dissolved by rain water and snow melt. That's how the crust went from many feet thick to .5".
Ron
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It gets my stomach in a knot, I feel like its a lucky thing now when we race, 2014 It was wet, 2016 It was dry and thin, 2017 ?
Do we get to race again? I for one am Always going to be thankful when we get to race now !
As we leave, Its almost like, We pulled it off once more...
Whew, I love that Damn Place, Bonneville
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All of you complaining about the mine seem to be a bunch of selfish hypocrites IMO.
:? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?
Sid.
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At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter who will be in charge. At the end of the day, this is what will decide the fate of Bonneville -
http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/potash/5-year/
I wonder: "At what price per ton does the mining operation become unprofitable?"
Just askin' . . . . . .
That, I do not know, but it's a fair bet that it's unprofitable at the moment.
When you've seen the price of your commodity drop ~50% in 5 years, it's a fair bet that any money earmarked for salt reclamation will be equally diminished, if indeed it remains a company priority.
In March, Intrepid was trading at $.65 per share. It closed Friday at $1.36.
It was valued at ~$25.00 a share in 2011. It last paid a dividend in 2012.
Even if they're inclined to help, the business appears sick.
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Chris,
That is exactly why it is SOOO Important that we all get behind the efforts of the STS and Utah Alliance.
Yes, we all know the mining companies have taking our precious salt for decades. We also know that there is still a Sh..t Load of it on the south side of Interstate 80.
Everybody who went to Speedweek in 2016 has to realize, we got to run on a very thin layer of salt. Basically it was only the salt, which was pumped on the BSF by
Intrepid for the last couple of years. Somehow the layer of mud, which was washed down from the mountains during our 2014 SW event, prevents the little bit of salt left
beneath the mud, from percolating up during the hot summer month.
We can pi..s and moan all we want, our only chance to run within the next few years, is to encourage and help Intrepid to pump more salt brine on to the BSF.
As you and a few other guys on here have figured out, Intrepid in not doing very well financially.
If Intrepid closes down, you will not be running on the BSF for a long time. If they go BK, you can bet your sweet behind, they will not stand behind any reclamation
agreements you might think, they have signed.
Now, here is why we all need to support the STS and Utah Alliance. Yes, it would be very favorable to have someone as the head of the Interior Department who supports our cause.
But just as important, are the efforts of getting the government to set aside funds for the "Restoration of the BSF". These funds can be used to keep Intrepid going, during their
bad financial situation.
Believe me, I am not happy having to agree, that "Yes" the salt on the south side of I 80 belongs to Intrepid. Should not, but that's how it is.
The funds, the Interior Department can provide, would pay for the salt, the necessary labor and equipment (i.e. pumps etc.) it will take, to keep the pumps going for several years to come.
I have seen some of the numbers it costs Intrepid to pump 450K -500K tons of salt brine on to the BSF annually.
We, the Scta, BNI, STS etc...., don't have 10 % of that and could not raise it any other way.
Hate to say it, you guys want to keep on running on the Bonneville Salt Flats, better learn how to work with Intrepid and the bureaucrats in Washington DC.
Support the STS and Utah Alliance to Save the Salt !!!
Mike
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I'll ask about the cost of reclamation at the end of the life of the potash mining business in Wendover. That is -- for all the mining companies I've known - a bond (to pay for the eventual return to "before mined" state -- is an absolute inviolable requirement of a permit.
And the bond is bought early, before the mine is permitted to start building and digging, even, to guarantee that there WILL be money for that eventual re-do to nature.
Does Reilly have one of those bonds posted?
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....And the bond is bought early, before the mine is permitted to start building and digging, even, to guarantee that there WILL be money for that eventual re-do to nature.
Does Reilly have one of those bonds posted?
They do but the only reclaiming they are required to do from what I've read in the bonds was they have to do things like remove infrastructure from the salt and I believe fill in well holes. No mention about returning salt. You can find the info if you search and I think I posted it on one of these salt threads,
Sumner
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Mike, THIS TOPIC WAS NOT INTENDED TO REFUEL THE DEBATE ON WHO IS OR IS NOT helping to save the salt. I think We all are trying to support The Utah Alliance/Save The Salt in what ever way We can. However, with a little research this is what I found:
Save The Salt.org: Last Post was July 30, 2016
Save The Salt Facebook: Last Post was September 2, 2016
Utah Alliance Facebook: Last Post was August 22, 2016
Since "the muzzle" was apparently placed on Land Speed Louise, We have received exactly ZERO Official Information from the UA/STS.
It is a tough sale to march forward with no commands from the Leadership.
Sincerely, "One Run" Bob Drury
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Mike -
I openly admit I have fallen into the category of the "Fair Weather Soldier" with respect to Bonneville. I don't believe the type of sustained leadership necessary to pursue the cause is there, and I have some issues with the rhetorical boilerplate of the designated mouthpiece. I do believe we had momentum a year ago, but the last 11 months, starting in Oregon and ending in the recent coup d'etat of the Republican Party, have simply taken the starch out of me. It certainly didn't help our cause that the BLM was able to put together a promotional piece showing what appeared to be a fully functional event.
And realistically, we're in a holding pattern until the study is done.
I'm certainly not looking for a savior in Washington. The recent election and the assentation of the former Speaker of the House to the position as "Chief Planner" - provided he has the ear of the President elect - does not bode well for environmentalists such as myself with regard to restoring the Bonneville Salt Flats International Speedway.
I've had this comic strip posted in my basement for 20 years -
http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/1996/01/14
My memory is long on these issues, and while I fully recognize the need to mine for products that make this modern world what it is today, and the need to make America competitive in the world markets, I think we should also balance those needs against the desires of those who have traditionally used places such as Bonneville for recreation.
My fear is that we will be viewed as standing in the way of making America great again. It's my hope that we are recognized as a component of that greatness.
Maintaining lease agreements with marginally profitable companies, utilizing third-world extraction technologies that leave the surrounding environment blighted, in order to compete in a market of cheap, internationally traded commodities is not a strategy for greatness.
My views are always evolving, and I know things change, but today, I am not optimistic.
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We will not quit trying.
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I wonder if Hillary would be a better choice? I see rumblings of an Electoral college take over. :-D
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Trump is going to give us all a 35 percent reduction in our taxes LOL When that happens I will have more cash to donate to the return the salt fund. However I think this president will have everyone under him fearful of spending a dime so in my opinion all is not going to go well for this issue and most of the country's issue's. Its going to be a rough ride but hey its only for four long years. IMO :-(
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"I have some issues with the rhetorical boilerplate of the designated mouthpiece."
Chris, that is a wonderfully phrased sentence. I'm in agreement.
vic
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"I have some issues with the rhetorical boilerplate of the designated mouthpiece."
Chris, that is a wonderfully phrased sentence. I'm in agreement.
vic
me too
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Holy cow, you guys!
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love trumps apathy...
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I wonder if Hillary would be a better choice? I see rumblings of an Electoral college take over. :-D
Whoa; I didn't come to this forum, or go racing, or go to work, or go fishing, or go hunting, or spend time with my grand kids, or drink beer and BBQ, or do really anything else, to listen to a bunch of political sourer grapes.
As far as I'm concerned we have had enough criminals in charge, if that is what you prefer, good for you, but you can just keep it to yourself I don't need to hear it.
Rouse
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I wonder if Hillary would be a better choice? I see rumblings of an Electoral college take over. :-D
Whoa; I didn't come to this forum, or go racing, or go to work, or go fishing, or go hunting, or spend time with my grand kids, or drink beer and BBQ, or do really anything else, to listen to a bunch of political sourer grapes.
As far as I'm concerned we have had enough criminals in charge, if that is what you prefer, good for you, but you can just keep it to yourself I don't need to hear it.
Rouse
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Sid.
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I wonder if Hillary would be a better choice? I see rumblings of an Electoral college take over. :-D
Whoa; I didn't come to this forum, or go racing, or go to work, or go fishing, or go hunting, or spend time with my grand kids, or drink beer and BBQ, or do really anything else, to listen to a bunch of political sourer grapes.
As far as I'm concerned we have had enough criminals in charge, if that is what you prefer, good for you, but you can just keep it to yourself I don't need to hear it.
Rouse
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Sid.
Thanks Sid
Rouse
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Wow, went right over my head, I thought Chris was referring to LSL!
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Sid, Rouse, et al -
I agree - a lot of raw nerves in the political wasteland at the moment, but the sad truth of the matter is this -
At El Mirage, we're beholden to the BLM
At Bonneville, we're beholden to the BLM
The year we raced at El Muroc, we were beholden to the Air Force
At Loring, we're beholden to Air Force
At Maxton, I believe we were beholden to the city or county government that operated the field
At Wilmington, we were beholden to the County authorities
If we are to continue to race, we will continue to be involved in politics.
I know there are many political viewpoints held by members of these boards. But I still believe what unites us is bigger than what divides us - particularly in this community.
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Did I mention earlier that this topic was about appointing a new Secretary of Interior? Oh, yeah... it was the opening paragraph of the topic.
We do not need Political discussions on this site unless they are involving current decision making INVOLVING OUR SPORT! Politicians are like As*holes...they all stink...
One Run, out ......................................................
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That's the point I was going for. We all have to deal with politics on some level.
I think as far as Bonneville's concerned the BLM and the folks that have say in how they do their job should be the focus. Not some other petty BS .
Rouse
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We need more LSR stuff not Washington DC and anything political on this racing forem. :dhorse:
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Speaking of LSR...The condition of the salt makes my face redder than the map on election night..... :cheers:
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Scenario....... We're still racing the "Tank Fairlane" but the engine isn't running any where near as well as it used to & the race has changed.
The bottom end man got the rod caps switched & I think one is on backwards. The cam is in the right place but the dowel pin hole was over sized for an advance bushing but that was lost so we have variable valve timing-ish at will. The right head is from a 332 & has 30 degree intake valves & 18 mm plugs & is painted GM orange. The left head is a Holman Moody tunnel port with bad guides but one of the spark plugs has a big crack in the porcelain & a plug wire burned on to the header. It's a 13 to 1 engine but the last time we assembled it we could only fine 7 so we borrowed one from Billybob's 61 but it's an 8 to 1 cast dish. That went in number 1 hole due to the 332 head having a bigger chamber but it was from number 6 in the other engine so it had to go in backwards to get the rod the right way around. Dave ran the valves on the left bank & Bill ran the right side, they think there own feeler gauges are the right size. The intake is for the SCJ heads so you can imagine the port match is a bit off. The distributor is an HEI type from Fine China Performance Automotive Warehouse ($53 free freight on Fleabay), the cast iron gear is knife-edged but no biggie due to the worse cam sprocket dowel hole situation. The Carter Thermoquad carb has been on the engine for a while & doing pretty good everything else considered but not everybody liked it. So the team got together, had a bit of a chat, then voted on the next change.
By majority the decision was made to bolt on a brand new "gold anodized Holley 850 DP". Now the manifold is a spread-bore & the Thermoquad was a spread-bore but the new Holley is a square-bore so we'll have to use an adaptor but at least the air cleaner will still bolt on so that's a plus.
The guys are already arguing over this decision even before the fuel line is hooked up but you can't please everyone & we put it to the vote.
The Fairlane is really a sweet car & I'm a passenger by choice & not by right but not everybody likes it. We'll never get any dyno time with the new carb so the first test will be on the track so we'll have some better idea once we get a few laps on it.
I won't keep in touch, you know where to see it run but in the mean time stop arguing, take a chill-pill with ya beer & watch the race.
Sid.