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Bonneville Salt Flats Discussion => SCTA Rule Questions => Topic started by: hawkwind on December 03, 2013, 04:12:27 AM
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Wondering .....What if any classes could a legend car run in.....providing they meet all the safety rules
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Streamliner? :evil:
Malcolm, Derby, England.
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Not a Streamliner but a Lakester!
This car is raced by Bruce Harmon from Wilmington, OH and is a Legend car base. He is bharmon77 on here and hopefully he will chime in.
I've seen it run at Maxton and Wilmington and he has also run at Bonneville.
This article, from Hot Rod magazine, was from a few years back at Maxton:
http://www.hotrod.com/top_speed_challenge/hrdp_1108_7th_annual_top_speed_challenge/photo_10.html#photo_10.html?&_suid=138606740300006565218561073097
And these pics are from Wilmington in September of this year.....That's Bruce on the right:
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/GKABBT/Wilmington%2009272013/IMG_0026_zps959d8fb6.jpg)
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/GKABBT/Wilmington%2009272013/IMG_0027_zpsf7e6d79b.jpg)
Hope this helps,
Gregg
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08 has body work outside the inner plane of the tires - Streamliner.
7077 has open wheels/tires - Lakester.
Ed
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T/O if you need to know how fast it will go.
Sid.
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T/O is where the legend car typically runs. Same amount of money but, no record or trophy. They run around 185 I think.
DW
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T/O is where the legend car typically runs. Same amount of money but, no record or trophy. They run around 185 I think.
DW
Dan, since the bodies are 'produced' does that mean they are a "production body" or is that only bodies produced by current or past car manufactures that were licensed for the road? Just wondering how SCTA views that since, as you know, you can't use a modified 'production body' in streamliner or lakester classes.
Thanks,
Sum
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Somebody was producing these roadster bodies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wborJhA_IcE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wborJhA_IcE)
but the Bantam guys would protest them... :evil:
Mike
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Do I really need to answer this question? Rule book states in:
4.D what a production automobile or component is
5.B what a roadster is
5.E what a production automobile is
DW
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Somebody was producing these roadster bodies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wborJhA_IcE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wborJhA_IcE)
but the Bantam guys would protest them... :evil:
Mike
That is funny Mike. :wink:
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With what happened at El Mirage last month I would tell these Dwarf/Legend short wheelbase cars to stay home. There is no need for the "just to see how fast it can go" mentality at the risk of loosing the sport for others at the whims of a lawyer.....................
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With what happened at El Mirage last month I would tell these Dwarf/Legend short wheelbase cars to stay home. There is no need for the "just to see how fast it can go" mentality at the risk of loosing the sport for others at the whims of a lawyer.....................
Unfortunately any car can wreck on any pass at any track... it is the nature of this sport. Shit happens and things go wrong... we are all in this because we have the "just to see how fast it can go" mentality.
It defines all of us. :cheers:
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Stainless, I agree but some brains need to be used by both the competitors and the governing bodies for the good of all of us.......
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Legend racers are no more a car than a go cart is.
TimeOnly or WOS clubs. No records but it could be fun.
Going really fast with short wb isn't fun. BTDT.
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Bruce's Lakester with the legend bodywork is a class legal race car. I think the pictures are back in reply 2. That is the only legend type car that I would say is a LSR car, it is not a short WB car.
looks like a George Fields mini me...
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Jimmy - should me and my 80" wheelbase be taking offense? :-D
Okay, the stone is wet - let me get my axe out.
I don't think the comparison between the Hondata car and a Legends car based on wheelbase alone is fair - in fact, I think it could be misleading. A short wheelbase is about all the two would have in common.
A short wheelbase car can be safely driven at high rates of speed provided the chassis is well sorted, the aerodynamics are correct, and the speed the drivetrain is capable of propelling the vehicle doesn't exceed the car's or the driver's capabilities, or the track conditions.
At 94", the Insight's wheelbase is only 2 inches shorter than the MG EX 181 streamliner, which ran just shy of 255 in 1959.
I would argue that based on the funky aero of a Legends car that they would not be a good choice for LSR, and would probably be a handful to top out, especially considering the power capabilities of the motorcycle engines they run.
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MM. I drove a 65 Sprite for over 10 years and found it to be reasonably stable at hiway speeds. It could be dicey when others around you became "distracted" drivers and I'm sure 130 is a lot different than 65. They do have pretty quick steering. I don't know, are you planning on 200 with your car? Things change as speed increases sometimes drastically.
As for Dwarf/Legends I do not say why not I say why. If one went through what I feel would be needed like much slower steering etc and everything else needed for straight line competition and at the end what would it prove. Comparing the Dwarf body to George Fields car is all wrong. The Fields Comp Coupe was built from a stock automotive body. A Dwarf/Legends body is all fake.
Look at the "pesudo sprint car" that ran this year. Spins with a few good runs nearing 200.
There were many short wheelbase small engine streamliners in the past but today for the most part they are lawn darts with longer wheelbases for stability and a narrow tread width which give some time for correction. And before Roadsters are brought up; many, many, more have gone straight than ever spun even once. We spun once and made an alignment adjustment and never did again making the car much more stable.
Everyone needs to be a careful driver and I for one don't need to see every creation run or possible cause our form of motorsports be in jepordy. I would like to see TIME ONLY stopped. But hey I'm only one is a large sea of owner/drivers.................JD
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Thanks for the replies :-).....so in answer to my question T.O. as is unmodified.....streamliner or lakester modified to comply with the rules.
A wide range of opinions as usual ....good to see the diversity .....any idea how one could get in touch with Bruce ?
cheers
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bharmon77... has an email link or try a PM.
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The Roll Cage Tubing size might be the decider, maybe :?
Pete
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"Comparing the Dwarf body to George Fields car is all wrong. The Fields Comp Coupe was built from a stock automotive body. A Dwarf/Legends body is all fake."
A small point not relevant to too much really but George's comp coupe is actually a glass body.
Sid.
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So is my roadster along with 99.9% of them.........
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Ours must be that 1 in a 1000. I think ours is metal, unless the fiberglass is somehow rusting.
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Yep
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Legend racers are no more a car than a go cart is.
TimeOnly or WOS clubs. No records but it could be fun.
Going really fast with short wb isn't fun. BTDT.
A certain Sprint Car found that out last year :wink:
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I'm interested in going circuit racing with my streamliner, it's just over 40ft long. What class would it run in? :?
Sid.
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8-)
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Not a Legend car, 30ish Bantam .
DW
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i wasnt completely sure. and i dont know bantams for shit. thanks dan.
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Not a Legend car, 30ish Bantam .
DW
Yeah, legend cars are bigger :-D
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That I believe is an Austin American steel bodied Coupe built in America from 1930 to 1941. When it had it's stock wheelbase I remember it's speeds being in the very low 100's and setting many V4F records. Twas a fine thing to lengthen it when looking to higher speeds. The owners are very familiar with what can happen in LSR.
I could be persuaded to part with my 1930 hood and radiator, but probably not my grille shell....JD
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They've got both this one and the stock wheelbase car.